San Bernardino Shooting

Breaking: 14 Dead in San Bernardino Shooting (UPDATED)

Two suspects dead after shootout with police.

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KTLA

SWAT teams are responding to reports of live shooters at a building in San Bernardino, California.

Initial reporting is extremely vague. Even the local newspaper, the San Bernardino Sun, only has a couple of sentences about it so far. (Update: They have much more information now)

For those who want to stay tuned, KTLA in Los Angeles has a live feed of the situation here. The reports started coming it at 11 a.m. Pacific time, so it's still very early. Here's what KTLA says:

San Bernardino Fire Department units were responding to a report of a "20-victim shooting" on Wednesday, authorities said.

The incident was reported in the 1300 block of South Waterman Avenue, the Fire Department tweeted shortly before 11:15 a.m.

San Bernardino police confirmed around 11:30 a.m. there was an active shooter in the area of Orange Show Road / Waterman Avenue near Park Center Circle.

The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department warned people to avoid the area due to police activity.

Updated: Officials say there may be as many as three shooters. The targeted building appears to be the Inland Regional Center, which provides services to people with developmental disabilities.

Update: A representative for the San Bernardino Police Department has said that there are fatalities, but the number has not yet been released.

Update: Here's how the L.A. Times describes the current situation:

The shooters, wearing camouflage and masks, left up to 20 people injured and several dead after gunfire erupted around 11 a.m., sources and police officials said.

A person who was inside the building also told the Los Angeles Times that the shooting may have happened during a Christmas party, but declined to be identified or comment further.

Investigators are now searching for a black sport utility vehicle that may have fled from the Waterman Avenue office building, according to federal law enforcement sources, who requested anonymity because the investigation is active and ongoing.

There still appear to be no arrests an as a result there are all sorts of speculative reports of sightings and confrontations elsewhere. A press conference has been scheduled around 1:45 p.m. Pacific time.

Update: At a press conference, San Bernardino's police chief said "upwards of 14" people have been killed and the same amount injured. They believe there were up to three shooters that are still at large. They do not yet know the motives for the shooting. They do not yet know whether it was an act of terrorism.

KTLA

Update (3:20 p.m. Pacific): Police are currently in a confrontation on the streets of San Bernardino. It appears, according to KTLA's chopper coverage, that somebody has been shot and is bleeding on the street.

From the AP about the latest confrontation:

Police say shots have been fired and a suspect is down near a dark-colored SUV.

It's unclear if the suspect is related to the deadly shooting Wednesday at a social services facility in Southern California. Police have said that the suspects may have fled in a dark SUV.

San Bernardino police Sgt. Vicki Cervantes said she knew of no officers who were injured in the shootout.

Television footage showed armored vehicles blocking the SUV on a residential street.

Television coverage showed a dark SUV that was riddled with bulletholes. At a press conference, a police official upped then number of people injured at the shooting to 17.

Update (4:10 p.m. Pacific): Police have confirmed one suspect down and one in custody but very little else. One police officer was injured but is in good condition. There will be a bigger press conference at 4:45 p.m. with more information.

Police are stil active in apparently two other locations, though it's not clear if there are actually any suspects there related to the shooting.

Update (5:45 p.m. Pacific): San Bernardino Police and FBI officials held another press conference. The latest information:

  • The shootout with police and suspects happened when they were following a lead in nearby Redlands. Two people were killed in the scene. One was male. One was female. They were carrying both "assault" weapons and handguns. They have provided no other information about the two suspects.
  • They have a third person in custody that was seen fleeing the above situation. They do not know for certain whether this person is a suspect or actually connected to the shooting.
  • The police do not have a motive as yet. There has been a theory passed through anonymous police sources to the Los Angeles Times that somebody left the center after a confrontation at a meeting and came back, armed, with friends. Police acknolwedged that somebody did indeed leave the building after a dispute of some sort, but they don't know if that person is one of the suspects.
  • They found what the believe to be is an explosive device at Center, and they're still working with it. A report that the suspects threw some form of pipe bomb at the police turned out to be incorrect. They are approaching both the home of the suspects and the SUV very carefully out of concern for additional explosives.
  • They don't know for certain whether there were any additional people responsible for the shooting.

Update (6:50 p.m. Pacific): Multiple law enforcement sources have confirmed to the Los Angeles Times the name of the male suspect killed by police. His name is apparently Syed Farook. They investigate:

Two law enforcement sources identified one of the deceased suspects as Syed Farook, an American citizen.

Public records show a person named Syed R. Farook was employed by the San Bernardino County Health department as an environmental health specialist, but it was not clear if that was the same person involved in the shooting.

The identity of the second person killed by police was not immediately known.

Employees from the County's health department were having a party or event in the Center complex where the shooting happened.

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1,474 responses to “Breaking: 14 Dead in San Bernardino Shooting (UPDATED)

  1. We don’t want to jump the gun, so to speak, but early Twitter reports have the shooter calling for lower taxes.

    1. Really? I heard that he hates immigrants.

      1. “Mistrust of government in general”

      2. “which provides services to people with developmental disabilities.”

        Clearly it’s someone who believes in very late term abortion for fetuses with defects.

        Anyway, if there actually are three shooters, then we’re probably dealing with ideology, not insanity. As a general rule, the batshit crazy ones act alone, or rarely in pairs.

        1. Someone fed up with Section 508 compliance.

          1. No they hate section 8 housing

        2. Yep, a crazy can pressure one dumb friend into going along with what he wants. Anymore than that and your dealing with something more. Also, your ringleader is probably not the one actually doing the shooting/killing after three sign up.

      3. And possibly angry about the ACA.

    2. Well I heard they’re all transsexual Muslims.

      1. No way. I have it on good authority they were wearing Ted Cruz shirts. If every Republican in America doesn’t publically denounce Cruz, they clearly support the shooters.

        1. Did you read the horrible thing that Nutra-Sweet wrote today about Cruz? I think we can all agree that HE, Nutra-Sweet, is somehow responsible.

      2. Nick and Scott can twist their hankies in horror all they want, but I wouldn’t miss these commentaries for anything.

    3. I heard they were wearing Yarmulkes.

    4. One of my Facederp friends is already blaming “Ayn Rand acolytes.”

      1. I’d be more inclined to think they’re Hillary Clinton acolytes agitating for .more gun control laws. Bitch is already shooting her mouth off about it while things are still in progress.

  2. Sure got you rattled Scott; no alt-text. Is it you?!??!?!

  3. “THINK OF THE BODIES WE CAN STAND ON TO PASS MORE GUN CONTROL!!!”

    /lip-licking progtard on facebook

    1. Early reports indicate he got his guns by the gun show loophole.

      1. The funny thing is, there is no gun show loophole in CA. All purchases have to have background checks.

        1. The guns came from a neighboring state that has door to door firearm salesmen.

        2. I blame Arizona!

        3. Magazine limits.

          *drops microphone*

          1. Is that why Reason has such a low subscriber base?

            I’m surprised they can manage 12 issues a year.

            1. They can’t. They only do 11.

              1. They can do 12, but can only deliver seven.

          2. Do you just drop your trash everywhere like that?

        4. All transfers have to have background check. That includes any and all changes of ownership even within families (I believe).

    2. I’m sure guns are banned at the Inland Regional Center. How could this happen?

      1. Those ratbagging teafuckers have no respect for the law.

        1. Bet you they were Christians too.

          1. According to the progs on derpbook, they were White, Christian, Male Terrorists, just like the one that went on the rampage in the Planned Parenthood center in C Springs. Because NARRATIVE don’t need no facts.

            One of them posted up her usual helping of uninformed opinion/non-leftist bashing and added a disclaimer that anyone who posted anything anti-liberal would be banned. Golly. Not banned from posting with your gaggle of single shared brain cell useful idiots? The briar patch, not throw me in you will.

  4. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department warned people to avoid the area due to police activity.

    You really don’t need to warn people to avoid San Bernardino County.

    1. avoid the area due to police activity.

      Excellent advice.

      1. Exactly! Particularly, if you are a Hispanic female delivering papers from a vehicle that doesn’t remotely match the description of the one leaving the scene.

    2. Unless they want meth and fat women with mullets. But who doesn’t?

      1. meth and fat women with mullets

        All of a sudden I’m glad they all can’t be California girls.

        1. *Even the California girls all can’t be California girls.

        2. we also would have accepted “I wish they all could be California Raisins”

  5. c’mon the only thing we’re interested in is black, brown, or white

    1. They already said it was a black SUV.

      Also, how many black SUVs will the police mistakenly shoot up, you think?

    2. Locals with police scanners (which are a lot, given the meth level there) have said the call was “3 Hispanic or Arab males.”

      1. But……but…….Arab individuals are peace loving folks. With only the highest respect for law and order.

  6. The targeted building appears to be the Inland Regional Center, which provides services to people with developmental disabilities.

    You stay classy, San Bernardino.

  7. “The targeted building appears to be the Inland Regional Center, which provides services to people with developmental disabilities”

    Seriously?

    1. I was going to bet post office, but that’s more of a 90s thing.

    2. I work at one of those places. Security is laughable at those places.

      1. Clearly…

        1. Thank Allah and our leaders for the ATF and militarized police. The perps lived right next to Texas Street. That explains everything!

      2. Your second statement was implied by the first.

  8. This is why California needs to end its free-for-all, Wild-West attitude towards guns.

  9. How long will it be before right-wingers politicize tragedy by collectively shrugging? THERE’S ONLY TWO CHOICES: CHILDREN ARMED WITH SEMI-AUTOMATICS OR TYRANNY

    Update: I’m 9 minutes too late to ask my question.

    1. “politicize tragedy by collectively shrugging”

      Again I exhort you to buy a dictionary.

      1. Socialists don’ need no steenkin deekshunary! This is clearly the work of Texans. Half the folks in Waco are named Syed Rizwan Farook Smith, Tashfeen Malik Brown. Look it up.

    2. Update?!? You got an edit button squirreled away some place? Invisible font? Negative coordinates?

      1. Probably the same time traveling device Fist uses to post first.

    3. Children armed with semi-automatics.

      1. aka “Tuesday in middle America”

    4. Just imagine that they’re muslim terrorists, and I’m sure you’ll agree that we should do nothing.

      Well, next to nothing.

      FTW.

      1. The plot swims into focus: mohammedan activists sacrifice their lives to Allah to provide American socialist infiltrators with all the pretext needed to overturn the Second Amendment and parachute in Spetnaz elite teams with lists of registered firearms. These troops confiscate all guns and render Americans defenseless from enforcement of Communist Manifesto plank 2. It’s a Red Dawn! (Cues the Woodstock version of Jefferson Airplane playing Volunteers…)

    5. Crew served weapons are better for children, they help build team work.

      1. 40mm bofors..

      2. Being a pack mule develops stamina.

    6. I had semi-autos when I was a child. I still have them. No one was harmed, though quite a bit of game died.

      1. Yeah, but he doesn’t have the childhood experiences you have. Proggies, despite all their ‘tolerance’ rhetoric hate what they are unfamiliar with, like most other groups.

      2. Heck, when I was a kid I had one of those full-auto assault weapons that you only had to pull the trigger one time and it would continue firing until it ran out of ammo. Sure, it was a single-shot 410 so it didn’t take long to run out of ammo but still…

    7. How long will it be before Hillary, Bernie, and no-name politicize tragedy…….what…….really? Already? Goddamn, that was fast.

    8. I only had a bolt action when I was a kid

      1. Me too. My parents weren’t oil sheiks.

    9. THERE’S ONLY TWO CHOICES: CHILDREN ARMED WITH SEMI-AUTOMATICS OR TYRANNY

      It’s easy to pass laws banning certain types of guns, but enforcing them is another matter. Guns are even easier to manufacture than drugs, and we haven’t even been able to stop drug manufacture. If you actually want to eliminate specific classes of guns from the US, you effectively have to make any kind of metal working equipment, CNC machine, and 3D printer a highly controlled piece of equipment. You bet I’d call that “tyranny”.

      Whether children are “armed with semi-automatics” or not is, of course, up to their parents. But, yes, the choice we face is indeed that semi-automatics are either legally available to adults vs tyranny.

  10. As if people being shot weren’t bad enough, the Twitter trending phrase is “San Bernadino.”

    1. I like pronouncing “February” (vs “Febuary” which is what most people say) and observing the occasional odd look on people’s faces.

      1. Ha, I do that too. And it’s my birth month so I say it more than average.

        1. I pronounce “Knife” like “Knish”
          (buffs knuckles on sleeve)

          1. +1 ghoti

            1. +1 Raymond Luxury-Yacht

              1. How do you pronounce goatse?

          2. Then do you pronounce “wife” as “wish”?

            1. That would make a nice song-lyric, but no… i pronounce it “b*tch” like any other American.

          3. So… the original pronunciation?

            k-niff-eh

        2. My kids look at me funny when I say it properly.

      2. I pronounce Febber Wary. Turns out it sounds just like Febooary and nobody notices how clever I am.

        1. I wouldn’t worry about coming off as too clever, since neither of those match any pronunciation I have ever heard or used.

      3. Do you say wed-nes-day too?

        1. I call it by its proper name, Woden’s Day.

        2. My Chinese ex says “Wed-nes-day”. Among other amusing things.

        3. “Do you say wed-nes-day too?”

          Well, I pronounce it that way in front of my sister. But her name is Wednesday. Thirty years later and that joke still gets the narrow gaze.

        4. Bowl-log-nah

          1. Italian doesn’t count. Unless you’re saying “Boh-loh-nya” you’re still saying it wrong.

            1. Bologna sangwich with gwack-ah-mowl.

            2. Baloney!

            3. Baloney!

            4. Baloney!

        1. Wetness day.

        2. Wodin’s Day.

    2. Are you driven as crazy as I am every time you hear Jane Krakowski say “50% less calories”?

      1. Express Checkout: 20 items or less

        … which leads me to ask which is more infuriating: that they don’t know the less/fewer distinction, or they think 20 items is “express”

        1. Eh, those ones never bother me that much. It’s perfectly reasonable to parse that as “20 items or less [stuff than that].”

          1. But I can’t get my dander up over that.

        2. I’ve noticed a lot of stores have changed it to “fewer”. I like to think that means that language pedants are having some effect.

          1. In my supermarket they say “About 15 Items”.

            1. The ExpressLane abides, man.

      2. That one is slightly more forgivable because calories are a continuous measurement and not inherently discrete like grocery items.

      3. Even then, you notice they don’t say what it’s 50% fewer than?

    3. #SanBernie

      1. I prefer SansBernie

      2. SanBerdoo

  11. You know who else was involved in an active shooter situation…

    (too soon?)

    1. About 76 years too late.

    2. Please, if a whole nation does it it’s not an active shooter situation.

    3. Ewan McGregor in Trainspotting?

    4. Dick Cheney?

    5. R. Budd Dwyer?

      1. Hey man, nice shot

    6. College students at the bar right before closing time?

  12. Speculation KTLA – suicide bomber possible

    1. I’d love to see progtards preach love & tolerance if ISIS shoots up/bombs a bunch of autistics.

      1. You know who else wanted to kill all the Jews and disableds?

        1. Margaret Sanger?

        2. Warty?

        3. Herod?

      2. You’d think that would be a cognitive dissonance moment for them, but then, they’re able to ignore ISIS killing gays.

        1. They just keep telling themselves that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, and white Christians are like just as bad and stuff for not baking gay wedding cakes.

          1. I suspect that the average muslim homosexual would probably make peace with cake rejection if he could avoid being thrown off a building, and stoned to death by a baying mob if he survived the fall, I suppose it’s a matter of context. But, alas.. I’m blinded by my cis-hetero privilege..

          2. Wait until the progtard end decide ISIS is really Christians. Don’t put it past them

      3. Even ISIS wouldn’t be that pointlessly depraved, would they? This is absolutely bizarre. We joke about every jack ass in America assuming it is whomever they hate, but I honestly can’t even speculate about this.

        1. Um did you forget about the Beslam massacre? Killing a bunch of school children wasn’t too depraved for those Muslim terrorists.

          1. Yeah. Nothing is beyond them. If this does turn out to be Muslims, there is going to be hell to pay.

            1. there is going to be hell to pay

              You do remember that Obama is still president, right?

              1. I think Obama will be the least of the Muslims in this country’s problem. People will go ape shit.

              2. Restoras: Sadly true.

            2. No there won’t , because you can’t judge Muslims by the action of a few fanatics and you are more likley to be bombed by a Christian like Timothy McVeigh.

              1. You can’t judge Muslims by a few fanatics, or few terrorists groups, or the state of Muslim world, or Islam’s history of conquest, and a few writings in the Koran, or few ethnic religious conflicts etc etc.

                1. Well, you can. Doesn’t mean you should.

            3. If they turn out to be Syrians you better get used to saying “President Trump”

              1. Nothing on earth could EVER get me used to saying “President Trump.”

                1. That’s ok, it will probably be pronounced as “President Winnnner Trump.”

            4. If the assailants are Muslim, I’m sure this was a case of workplace violence.

              1. That’s a hilarious joke, I’m sure. But a thing can be both workplace violence and terrorism.

              2. So was Fort Hood. According to the Lightbringer.

        2. We are all rooting for our most hated bogeyman. I hope it was the NY Yankees.

          1. No. It was at a facility for retards. Had to be Cubs or Red Sox.

            1. Too many Yankees already there?

              (too soon?)

          2. *narrows gaze*

            (would prefer Detroit Red Wings)

            1. You are dead to me, SS.

          3. I’m pretty sure it was Aaron Rodgers & Brett Favre.

            1. No way. Tom Brady and Gronk.

              1. Aaron Hernandez is still in jail, right? Right?

              2. Aaron Hernandez is still in jail, right? Right?

          4. Boston just signed Price, so it’s the Red Sox.

          5. We are all rooting for our most hated bogeyman.

            Lane Kiffin

            /Volsnation

            1. Agreed

              /USCnation

            2. Agreed

              /USCnation

              1. Hahahaha

                /Nick Saban

            3. But now you get to win the big rivalry game with Bama every year…oh…huh.

              1. First game next year – USC vs. Bama. Of course Saban was too pussy to schedule it as a home/home two-fer – so it’s in Dallas.

                1. It would be boring beating the same team in the opening game two years in a row. Saban likes more variety.

                  1. Back to big games against Charleston Southern and UL Monroe after next year? Bama is probably the very best Div II team in the country.

            4. Rocky top my friend

          6. We are all rooting for our most hated bogeyman.

            I’m hoping it’s Paul Krugman or Warren Buffet because death by cop would be good and also STIMULUS.

            1. +1 broken window

    2. 3 guys named muhammad shouting allah akbar – motivation unknown. Possibly right wing hate group. /msm

      1. + 1 Work place violence

      2. “Possibly right wing religious hate group.” FTFY

  13. Why is the ATF on the scene?

    1. Report of potential explosives? they’re the ATF(E), remember.

      1. And really big fires.

    2. Why not? Why spend all that money on fancy police-type toys if you don’t get to use them?

    3. Active shooter means all hands on deck.

    4. Annual David Koresh Celebrity Roast?

    5. More importantly, how did they let “up to 3” shooters escape?

    6. In case there’s forfeiture potential.

  14. IRC is a great place, they helped us with my Son, and are 100% Private donations,very sad.
    I di a service call 2 blocks away just yesterday

    1. So sorry,thanks for the info

    2. Yes I have a colleague whose kid goes there, and has nothing but good things to say about it.

      This is really bad news. If the reports of 3 shooters who escaped in an SUV are true, you can only assume terrorist attack of some kind. Who else would target a center for special needs kids?

      1. “Who else would target a center for special needs kids?”

        Assholes?

        Its really a new-low, even for Terrorists.

      2. Lack of abortions and/or miniature American flags?

      3. ‘Who else would target a center for special needs kids?”

        This came to me way too late… *(what’s the expression in french? a ‘stairway quip’?)

        but = “Late-Late-Late-Term Abortion Advocates?”

        1. * l’esprit d’escalier

          i’m going to pronounce that “spree escalator

        2. L’esprit d’escalier, I think it is.

        3. Exceptionally soft target.

      4. Who would target a center for special needs kids, period?

        1. People who want to inspire the greatest amount of outrage. Gun-free zone with lots of slow-moving, confused targets who generate widespread sympathy: the developmentally disabled and the people who care for them.

          1. I’m more puzzled than outraged, but maybe that’s just my cold, cold heart.

          2. ^This…Gun control isn’t going to pass itself you know.

      5. Who else would target a center for special needs kids?

        The same people who beat Kelly Thomas?

      6. Grand Fenwick?
        “But we’re at war, sir.”
        “Not with everybody.”

  15. 20 injured – does this mean no deaths?

    1. – 12 dead – 20 victims – reports of 3 shooters

      Preliminary.

      1. This is so sad.

  16. We can all at least breathe an air of relief to know that the shooter is not a criminal and merely has mental problems.

    Once apprehended, he’ll get the help he needs, hopefully. And, if he’s christian and god told him to do it, I see no reason for a trial.

    1. Your game is really slipping. Maybe some time-off for the holidays, and come back fresh next year?

      1. Nope – I think it is time for that one to retire.

    2. Little word of advice for you. If you’re going to troll a comment section at least try to know your audience a bit, I bet you about half the commenters here are Atheists, so your Christian god comment makes little sense.

      1. Alice has been here a while

        1. Yes, and people are increasingly ostracizing him. Rightfully so, I might add, because he is a wortless piece of garbage.

          I suggest everyone reading this also begin to ostracize the human pustule until he wanders off in search of more satisfying sites to troll.

      2. Everyone here knows Agile Cyborg is the one true Prophet to whatever the fuck he channels nightly.

  17. politicize tragedy by collectively shrugging

    IF

    ONLY.

  18. More importantly, has the president issued a statement in disappointment at our gun laws yet?

    1. He’s going to wait until he gets to the most ironic place possible to make a speech blaming conservatives. Maybe he’ll make a statement from Buchenwald concentration camp on how no country has ever mistreated the mentally ill like the U.S.

      1. I think we could make a fun game where we come up with scenarios of Obama declaring that something doesn’t happen outside of the US while standing in another country where that very thing did in fact happen.

        1. “Let me be clear… other countries don’t have the pollution problem that the US does,” President Obama said at a press conference in Beijing.

        2. Only the United States has the shameful history of slavery so deeply woven into its history

          -Obama says standing at the base of the pyramids in Egypt

          1. I was going to guess at a Turkish or Saudi harem.

          2. “No country has shown such shameless imperialism as the United States, meddling in the affairs of other nations.”

            –Obama’s remarks from London

            1. “No country has the rape epidemic we have”

              –Obama’s comments from Kinshasa

              “No country has the deplorable race relations we have”

              –Obama’s comments from Johannesburg

              “No country has the scourge of income inequality we have”

              –Obama’s comments from Sao Paolo.

              1. Also from Obama in Johannesburg:

                “No other country in the world struggles to deliver AIDS treatment like we do in the United States.”

        3. Very good, all of you.

        4. Standing in Greece saying how unpatriotic our debt level is and how we should follow Greece’s example at fiscal responsibility?

          1. Misery loves company.

            Explains a lot about Europe trying to export its version of “democracy” and “social market economies”.

    2. +1 that’s not who we are.

    3. I hear one radio station news caster already commenting on the gun laws

    1. The Tet offensive 2.0 is a very scary, and a very real possibility. I hope the author is wrong, but it’s criminally foolish to let these Syrian refugees come in by the tens of thousands with very little oversight.

      1. We’re in favor of oversight now?

    2. “Trump – you have to kill their families too:”

      The look on the hosts faces is pretty priceless.

      The irony is that the current president Does Not Disagree At All

    3. I read the “Tet II” thing yesterday. I’m not sure if the guy is prophetic or batshit crazy.

      1. The article comes off a bit paranoid, but I believe it’s a possibility. I’ve always been suspicious of the demographics of the refugees, why are so many of them young men of fighting age? If you were honestly fleeing a wartorn country wouldn’t you bring your wife and children with you?

        Personally I’d rather die the abandon my family to the hands of ISIS.

        1. I would find all these claims (No-go zones in Germany! 75% of ’em are fighting-age men!) more credible if they were coming from someone actually there – and without an obvious agenda.

          1. He talks about no-go zones in France, not Germany. They have been pretty well documented. This article talks about some in Germany without specifics.

            http://news.investors.com/ibd-…..htm?p=full

            1. That article comes off as even more crazed. Perhaps I confused the two.

              As for France, like I mentioned in a different post, even FOX News have backed off that claim. Why would they do so if it was true?

              1. I had thought that Daniel Pipes was one of the first to come up with the phrase “no-go zone” to refer to those special urban zones in France, and he’s walked back from the idea.

                That said, you can still have an area that the police neglect, or won’t go into w/o rolling heavy, without it being an area that the police are barred from entering.

                1. That said, you can still have an area that the police neglect, or won’t go into w/o rolling heavy, without it being an area that the police are barred from entering.

                  This is what everyone meant–and areas like this are all over Europe– but everyone pretends that people meant areas where the police are actually prohibited from entering in which sharia is the law. That way they can smugly huff ‘yokel’ while getting their windpipes sawn through.

                  1. “There are zones where the government has lost control in Germany, England and most other European countries, too.”

                    When I read a sentence like this it’s hard to tell what exactly the writer means. It’s just so vague.

                    1. Rotherham comes to mind. Not like the cops couldn’t go there – they just avoided the area for fear of being called racists.

                      Seems like the zones in France are much worse and police really are afraid to enter unless they arm up like a SWAT team.
                      http://www.catholic.org/news/i…..p?id=58341

                    2. Except the meme is bullshit. Really, I would look for more balanced news sources.

                      French rulings and law enforcement hold no bar in the no-go zones. They aren’t even allowed in.

                      Come on. Really?

                    3. Yes, probably over the top.

          2. UNHCR refugees has stats on refugees that show 62% of the European bound refugees are male adults. The camps are more balanced, and that’s where our refugees will come from hopefully.

            No Go zones do exist, but of course you won’t get super official news on that. Would any US official tell you that Compton is a no go zone for white people?

            But in France they do have officially ZUS

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_urban_zone

      2. Tet was actually a failure, though.

  19. Masks and body armor? Sounds like a robbery or a hit? Crazy.

    1. I was thinking a raid for drugs, a place like that has to have a lot, but those type normally only shoot when they have to not from the start.

      1. now I’m wondering if the shooters, possibly cartel baddies, took anybody like say the child of some important person for ransom reasons for money or politics. due to the chaos people may not know for hours if someone was kidnapped.

    2. Like the bank robbery that happened about a year after the moved “Heat” came out. 2 guys with body armor and AK’s fending off en entire police department. Didn’t end well for those 2 chuckleheads.

      1. You know HEAT was based on not one but two actual shooting sprees, yes?

    3. The actual heist must’ve taken place somewhere else, & this was the diversion. We won’t find out for years.

  20. Jenny Jaffe ?@jennyjaffe 32m32 minutes ago
    If I die in a mass shooting, I am begging you to politicize the shit out of it immediately.

    1. JakeWhittenberg ?@jwhittenbergK5 19m19 minutes ago
      BREAKING: Authorities now confirm there are three shooters with rifles and no one is in custody. #SanBernadino

      1. Thats scary

      2. The crazy are usually caught (or commit suicide). This makes me think this was planned an executed in a way designed to leave the scene.

    2. Hillary Clinton Verified account
      ?@HillaryClinton
      I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H

      1. Yeah, if we were more like Europe, this sort of thing would never happen!

      2. A young lady I know is a lib, but she gets it when she tweeted this today
        “Getting my permit to carry asap because if someone starts shooting up a place I’m in, I’m shooting back.”

    3. Mark Levine ?@MarkLevineTalk 3m3 minutes ago
      Here we go again. At least 20 shot in #SanBernardino. A few crazies supporting terrorists “right to bear arms” at expense of humanity #Shame

      1. there is no E on Levin. Unless that’s a typo, this is someone other than the talk host.

        1. thought that was weird – maybe a Levin troller?

    4. USA TODAY Verified account ?@USATODAY 2m2 minutes ago
      In addition to shooting, police were also investigating a “suspicious device” in #SanBernardino http://usat.ly/1Nr099m

    5. I think the most important thing to ask when anything terrible happens is, “HOW DO I MAKE THIS ABOUT ME?

      1. By politicizing the shit out of it. I suspect we may politicize the shit out of it, but it may not be in a way Jenny Jaffe expects. The Super State always breaks its programming.

    6. Anya Chatterjee ?@anyabelisle 52s53 seconds ago Chicago, IL
      Just waiting to hear some conservative say, “If only some employee in that center had a gun…” Probably happened already. #SanBernardino
      0 retweets 0 likes

      1. It must be exhausting when everything in life is about Team.

        1. While I’d love to believe that, Anya’s post (while just written words) doesn’t come across like she’s exhausted.

          In fact, I’d say her PROG RAGE!!!!1!! more than likely fills her with vim, vigor, and vitality.

            1. Three, no, FOUR V’s in her personality!!

      2. “Just waiting to hear some conservative say, “If only some employee in that center had a gun…” Probably happened already.”

        I love that they ridicule the notion that someone else with a gun could end these incidents before they kill so many people. I guarantee that if any gun control supporter were trapped in a building with a mass shooter, they’d call the police – because the police have guns.

        So they actually DO think that someone having a gun could have saved lives; they just think that only a government employee is capable of that.

        1. They use the argument that,

          None of these “mass shootings” has been stopped by a ‘good guy’, ergo…

          …uh, therefore let’s guarantee that no one ever can even *potentially* defend themselves

          I know, it doesn’t make sense, but try and tell them that.

          1. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that good guys are the only ones who obey gun bans, which were in place at the vast majority of mass shooting locations

          2. Hot damn, but are she and her followers shit-brained.

            Someone should ask her who she thinks is going to handle those bad guys.

          3. Also, the fact that if it had stopped one, then it wouldn’t be a mass shooting. Certainly, this has occurred on occasion. On the other hand, in such cases there’s no way to know for sure that there would have been a mass shooting if someone with a gun hadn’t stopped it.

            1. For that matter, I’m sure these things could also be stopped by someone with a pool cue, someone with a mop handle, someone with nunchaku, someone with a wrestling proficiency, someone with a paving stone, probably just about every time, if people hadn’t become a bunch of cowardly ratfucks who valorise their character as victims rather than an honorable death. It could be stopped, every time, by someone with fucking principles.

      3. It’s like they think only criminals are capable of hitting targets

        1. Well, since in California a law abiding shooter would have to stop to load his gun first…

        2. Well, since in California a law abiding shooter would have to stop to load his gun first…

      4. My friends on FB are already posting this kind of stuff

        If only all of those mentally disabled and autistic people had guns. Then none of this would have happened.

        I’ve been waiting for someone to suggest this one with a straight face.

        The moment I see someone write this seriously (and I will) I’m going to explode.

        I just honestly don’t know what they think actually would help in this situation (not arming the disabled, that’s just hyperbole, but actual hospital security or just normal people with CCW). Of course there’s no way to ask without suffering the indignation, but my guess is “magically no more guns in the world”.

        1. So he thinks that on top of being cursed with retardism, these people should also never be permitted the means to defend themselves. That’s pretty fucking harsh. For what it’s worth, the developmentally disabled frequently exhibit higher levels of moral reasoning than normal folks, so they should be more trustworthy with weapons than the general population (provided they aren’t flipping out because somebody moved their special chair or made them eat with a steel fork or something). On the other hand, when they don’t attain to higher levels of moral reasoning, they tend to be stuck at subnormal levels; the normal levels seem somehow beyond many of them.

    7. C. ?lvarez-Aranyos ?@CAlvarezAranyos 5m5 minutes ago

      All these prayers and God hasn’t done anything. Maybe we can pass some gun control laws and do it ourselves. #SanBernardino
      4 retweets 10 likes

      1. Maybe we can pass some gun control laws and do it ourselves.

        It’s infuriating how these idiots assume that there is no current gun control.

        1. In CA, of all places. Then again, France has pretty stout gun control, and that didn’t stop a bunch of fuckers from rolling up with full auto AKs.

          Gun control laws work on people who are already obeying the law. They do very little for people who don’t care whether they obey the law or not.

          Preaching to the choir, I know…

      2. Maybe we should pass some murder control laws too! That’ll work.

        1. So we each get, like, what, eight murders. 15-17 would be more murder capacity than anyone needs.

        2. Is this a good time to discuss my plan to euthanize all the progressives?

          1. Well stopping all that hot air escaping would def help the environment…

    8. Looks like she also said:

      The NRA arms terrorists.

      ? Jenny Jaffe (@jennyjaffe) December 2, 2015

      1. But who disarms the victims?

          1. Very much so. I will gladly incorporate this during future anti-gun-rights whines.

    9. Tim Williams Verified account ?@realtimwilliams 1m1 minute ago

      #BREAKING: Per @CBSLA
      — 1 suspect may still be inside building. Still a very active scene at #SanBernardino shooting. Battering ram on way

    10. UPDATE: Reports 15 people are being held hostage. #SanBernardino #Today9

      meh – I’m done posting these… too little info to go on, and too sad.

  21. My FB feed is already going full retard with the “OMG gun nuts & conservatives are crazy!!”.

    I can’t wait til it turns out to be not-what-they-think.

    1. The 3 Musketeers?

    2. Are you primarily urban facebook?

      My rural white trash facebook had a friend just post a clip of some hillbilly cop hitting a buck, the buck flying 35 feet in the air, smacking a sign, then popping up and sprinting for the woods. The irony being this friend was preaching earlier about how nobody should shoot bigger than 270. Yeah, for a 100lb doe maybe.

      1. 270’s are okay but I like my 30-06

      2. My urban hipster progressive facebook is fairly quiet. Only one person calling for “SOME REGULATIONS” so far.

        1. “some regulations” like as opposed to what we have now?

    3. Sort of like when Joe Madison said that the reporters shot live on air was white on white crime, before the details came out that the shooter was a crazy-ass black man.

  22. FWIW, twitter is claiming the police have an ID on one shooter, Farouk Said, 30. Watch this guy, assuming he’s even involved, and not another slandering of an innocent due to the race to be first with the news, be someone the Feds have been watching awhile.

    Make of that what you will.

    1. Farouk Said what? He said what?!!!

      1. I shouldn’t be laughing at anything related to this horrible story, but… I fucking laughed out loud at that.

      2. He said, “30”, which means goodbye.

    2. be someone the Feds have been watching awhile

      Like that ever happens.

      1. That’s all of us who use cell phones, technically.

      1. Unfortunately, the only links I can find are on Free Republic, so I’m not touching this with a fork.

    3. Sounds like a Teathuglican pro-lifer to me.

    4. Sounds like a Teathuglican pro-lifer to me.

    5. Isn’t he a road racing specialist?

    6. Or he’s been working for the Feds.

  23. Masks and body armor? Sounds like a robbery or a hit

    Now I have a vision of the place being used as a a front for a giant Mob bookie operation. And Walter Matthau as one of the robbers.

    1. Did they escape in Mini Coopers?

  24. If, and that’s a giant ‘if’, this is due to Islamic-inspired terrorism, I thought it would’ve been bomb based, and done during the T’day travel season. This is surprising to me.

    1. I wonder if they provide services to veterans?

    2. I think ISIS generally goes for the most low-hanging fruit. Travel facilities and such are difficult to infiltrate, compared to a center for developmentally disabled people.

      1. No real need to infiltrate: one shithead wearing a large body bomb would absolutely fuck up a TSA line. And scare the shit out of everybody else from going to the airport.

        I am looking at KCAL 9, and they are repeating sheriff claims that there are 1-3 guys in that GMC SUV on the run. If one dude, then that’s not that unusual, unfortunately. More than one, in a shooting that wasn’t tied to a robbery, and it looks a lot like a terror hit to me.

        Has there been a mass shooting (or attempt) in the States where there were more than two actors, where it wasn’t a robbery gone wrong, that wasn’t due to a terrorist group?

          1. Two actors at Columbine. Also two actors at the 1998 Westside Middle School shooting. Notable there mainly for the age of the actors, 13 and 11, and for their tactics. (They used fire alarms to funnel their classmates into an exercise area, then shot at them from a distance with rifles.)

            I’m drawing a blank on any shooting where there were three nuts, not terrorists like SLA, and not robbers like any number of armored car or bank takedowns.

          2. Columbine was 2.

        1. Someone above had an interesting speculation that it could be a hostage taking by a drug cartel or something.

          I’m not going to assume anything.

        2. No real need to infiltrate: one shithead wearing a large body bomb would absolutely fuck up a TSA line. And scare the shit out of everybody else from going to the airport.

          That’s what I’ve though since 2002? now that everyone has to wait for the security scan, it moves the soft target from the plane to the security line. One or more suicide bomber, gunmen, or strategically planted bombs would instill a lot of fear in the US, especially if there were attacks on multiple airports.

      2. There is a point there.

        I’ve never credited ISIS with a great deal of wit. I think its possible they’d just go, “where can we shoot a lot of people without worrying about the cops?”, and not dwell very much on the political-perception of murdering lots of developmentally disabled children, which probably isn’t the best look.

        1. If ISIS, then their stated goal is to get the worldwide Muslim population out of ‘the gray zone’ and on their side, and they think the best way to achieve that is to goad the US into open combat with them. Their baroque methods of execution, the GoPro snuff films, are calculated to enrage (but not so much that the U.S. or others just turn the region into the world’s largest glass factory).

          Killing civilians in NATO countries hasn’t been provocative enough yet. Perhaps killing them in the U.S. will be? (Despite the giant logistical problems ISIS would have running operations in the U.S. vs Europe: much fewer sympathizers, more highly trained law enforcement in the States, more attenuated transportation network in the States vs Europe, etc…)

          Really, I think if it does turn out to be Islamic terrorism, and scanner reports indicate the CHP is looking for 2-3 middle eastern or hispanic men with tactical vests and rifles in that SUV, that it’ll be like Major Hassan and others: natives who’ve been radicalized remotely, with maybe one of them having gone overseas for indoctrination and training. Not a ‘ISIS’ cell as such.

          1. ” they think the best way to achieve that is to goad the US into open combat with them”

            I don’t think this is correct at all. If anything, the opposite is the case = convince the west that a direct fight with them would be long, bloody, fruitless. The bluster is of a small-group talking like a Big One to create the impression of fortitude.

            1. No, they need the US (or some other enemy of Islam) to slaughter a lot of their people so Jesus will return and destroy the enemies of Islam.

              1. “so Jesus will return and destroy the enemies of Islam.”

                I’ve heard this before

            2. ISIS’s goals include bringing on Armageddon with infidels, as prophesied …. somewhere … as being necessary to …. something. I’ve never been clear on why an all-powerful god would create people so they can kill each other, unless said all-powerful god is just an asshole.

              1. Or GRR Martin

              2. Well, who are you to say that God isn’t an asshole? What reason do we really have to believe that such a being wouldn’t be?

              3. “unless said all-powerful god is just an asshole.”

                Well, God is alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, he is all and everything, is omniscient and omni-present. Therefore, we are of God already, or we were once a part of him. Apparently, the whole process of being on this mortal coil is to see if we are redeemed through his son, his ghost, himself to be blessed to rejoin him in infinite glory. But, of course being alpha and omega, God knows precisely who will rejoin him, and he knew before he even made us. So the only thing I can conclude is he must enjoy watching us mice in the maze or dangling from the end of our ropes as we wind our way through this life. There’s no mystery in it for him, and any reference to “love” I can’t compute out of this horrible thing called life. So it merely must be for the kicks.

                1. So you don’t believe in free will then?

                2. Silly rabbit, kicks are for ribs!

              4. ISIS’s goals include bringing on Armageddon with infidels, as prophesied

                The quote “The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify ? by Allah’s permission ? until it burns the crusader armies in D?biq.” from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi appears in every issue of ISIS’s magazine Dabiq. ISIS is trying to start a war with the US because they believe that these are the end times and that they will fight an epic battle near Dabiq, Syria, where the ISIS will defeat the non-Muslim armies and then establish a worldwide caliphate.

                1. Which is why some are saying…why not send our army out to Dabiq, set up some defenses and ammo dumps and let them come have their glory.

                  I thought they were supposed to lose at Dabiq though.

              5. Freewill.

              6. Freewill.

              7. Muhammad’s theology is sort of like Calvin’s: God created a bunch of people and arbitrarily blest some and cursed others and makes them fight it out in order to demonstrate his potency, in short because he can. The question to ask is if he wanted something to piss on, why didn’t he just make a pine tree?

          2. I agree with Gilmore. They are not afraid of us and figure Obama won’t do anything. So they are attacking everywhere they can so they appear stronger than they are.

            1. Get your GOP talking points right, John.

              Obama can’t be a warmonger Bush III AND a harmless pacifist at the same time.

              1. I’m doubtful that John has ever characterized Obama as harmless.

              2. Being a weak and conflicted and ineffectual warmonger is not contradictory.

              3. No, he’s a huge pussy, quarter assimg everything and making it all worse.

            2. It may not even be ISIS led (if it is even terrorism-related at this early point), but ISIS-inspired.

        2. Well ISIS are essentially about as supremacist as Nazis, so I could see them shooting untermensch. Also, less chance of return fire.

          Of course, “developmentally disabled children” could just mean City Hall.

        3. ISIS wants to piss off non-Muslim nations to provoke them into a war where it is prophesied that the army of Islam will defeat the armies of the Kufar in the Battle of Dabiq.

          Along those lines, they are taking credit for any mass casualty event in the non-Muslim world to generate fear amongst the populations of non-Muslim countries so that their leaders feel pressure from their people to go to war and bring about the prophesied Battle of Dabiq.

      3. it’s like how stadium security is ridiculous, it just created a backlog of people BEFORE security that are easy targets. Always try to get in the game early because standing in that huge crowd waiting to get in scares the hell out of me

  25. Unlikely an Aborto-Freak this time – unlike Friday’s shooter.

  26. Hey, how about we don’t speculate until we get all the facts?

    /checks facebook

    /people molding the 1% of information they have to fit whatever narrative they want to push

  27. Sam Stein ?@samsteinhp 1h1 hour ago
    Planned Parenthood is about 1.3 miles from site of shooting. CNN, however, is reporting that the shooting didn’t take place there

    (Huffington Post writer)

    1. Lone Wingnut Theory not in effect.

      1. Well, if PB says so, it must be so.

        (nevermind actual proggies posting about “wingnuts” and “Christian nutjobs” all over FB & Twitter).

        1. I’m no proggie (but you knew that).

          There is nothing wrong with “wingnut” or proggie. Two opposite sides of the same coin.

          I do hate religion though. ALL of it. It is a form of psychotic delusion.

          1. It is a form of psychotic delusion.

            We need to have a bot that just automatically responds with this image to every one of your posts. It will only be inappropriate about 8% of the time.

          2. Worshipping the state is more your bag.

          3. Not a proggie? More of a communist party hardliner then?

    2. This has to be sarcasm. Please tell me it’s sarcasm.

      1. Given his Twitter history and that he’s a Huffington Post writer… no, I don’t think it’s sarcasm.

      2. Or he’s Captain Obvious.

        BREAKING: Shooting that was nowhere near Planned Parenthood not being reported as involving Planned Parenthood.

        1. But he so wants it to be at Planned Parenthood.

          1. I never expected to see the day when abortion would get thrown under the bus by the left, but I guess gun control is more important for them.

          2. only because the shooters had the wrong address

            1. Planned Parenthood was obviously on their bucket list..

            2. Wait…I hadn’t heard it was cops with a warrant!

      3. From another HuffPo writer, right after retweeting the above

        Jennifer Bendery ?@jbendery 1h1 hour ago
        Planned Parenthood near San Bernardino shootings says they’re fine, no gun violence there, per MSNBC.

        1. Whew, that’s a relief. I suppose if there was knife violence or bomb violence it wouldn’t be as big of a deal.

          Observe how progs are trying to sew the words “gun violence” together to control the discourse.

        2. The most HuffPo tweet ever.

        3. Heh. They’re assuming it’s a right-winger (s).

      4. No, Popehat took him to task for it.

      5. See Shreek above. There really are people that profoundly stupid.

    3. I don’t know much about San Bernadino’s geography, but that is grade A retard right there.

      That’s like saying “No, you only can’t fly your drone within 5 miles of an airport!”

      So, the Greater Seattle Area.

      I’m guessing that in San Bern, there are planned parenthood offices 1.3 miles from just about any random place I stick a pin.

    4. Maybe if they volley-fired rifles at a 45 degree angle, they could hit the PP clinic.

  28. ABC News : “up to twelve dead”.

    If true this is big.

    1. And yet this would still be called a slow weekend in Baltimore.

    2. Up to twelve dead is about as meaningful as “Up to 6 million dead”.

  29. Someone on scene is telling people who were evacuated form the building not to talk to the media.

  30. I think we should definitely arm the developmentally challenged. Definitely.

    1. Already done. They have badges and drive in cars with warning lights on top so you can easily pick them out of a crowd.

  31. Does anyone think Obama will come out of retirement to deal with this?

    1. What’re you talking about, he’s currently having a speech written that will tie this in with Climate Change.

      1. he’s currently having already had a speech written that will tie this in with Climate Change

      2. If we let this distract us from the real threat of global warming the terrorists will have won. I never thought in a million years they would ever impeach the bastard. But if we get a couple of big attacks and he continues to do nothing and just attack his political opponents, and you know he will, they very well could.

      3. So he’s blaming the shootings on climate change? I wouldn’t be surprised.

    2. Ah, umm, (scratches head)…I just, uhh, want to say…. ahh…

    3. It’s going to be hard to beat his Paris speech the other day, ‘Why is the US the only country where mass shootings happen?’

      NBC4 is claiming confirmation that there was more than one shooter. “wearing tactical wear” Whatever the fuck that is.

      1. It’s tactical!

      2. That means he was dressed entirely in useless tapco accessories…

      3. Wearing one of those hunting vests with lots of pockets and a paintball mask = tactical gear in breaking news situations.

  32. if this isn’t Islamic terrorists, this could be the one that breaks the 2nd Amendment’s back

      1. I think that if it’s domestic, support for the 2A will erode, if it’s foreign or islamic, support for the 2A will increase, but what do I know?

        1. exactly. latter case gives vibe that we’re at war so need to be armed.

    1. Nick, for most of the country nothing is going to break the 2nd Amendment’s back.

      1. There seem to be a lot of people who never get out to the rural parts of the country. The 2A may die in letter but it will not die in spirit. Even in Europe and Australia there is a lot of undercover noncompliance.

        1. Even in Europe and Australia there is a lot of undercover noncompliance.

          In the sticks of Canukistan too.

          1. Pry that Kraft dinner from their Cold. Dead. Hands..

            1. Damn straight. Although it’s actually President’s Choice Mac ‘n Cheese that deserves that level of fanatical devotion.

    2. I’m guessing that there’s a pretty big overlap between 2A supporters, gun owners, and people that despise the entire political establishment. If the 2A does go down, it’s taking the country with it.

      1. It’s pretty much the switch for me.

        That, or a Sanders presidency.

  33. I went to Kalamazoo just to get away from them.

  34. Local NBC station is reporting that 3 people confirmed dead so far

    I’ve never heard of a mass shooter escaping the scene of the crime. They were always caught, shot themselves, or got killed by the police.

    1. Guerrilla warfare?

    2. That’s only in Crazy White Guy mass shootings. In Black-on-Black mass shootings, the shooters usually escape.

      1. Hell, they hardly even slow down.

    3. Christopher Dorner escaped the scene as found weeks later.

  35. Maybe it was a wrong-door SWAT raid and the “terrorist attack” story is a cover-up.

  36. If they got away, there will probably be more shootings momentarily. Didn’t the ones in Paris shoot up a restaurant before heading to the music venue?

  37. Is Hillary already blaming this on video games?

    1. She tweeted that we need more common sense gun control.

      1. Prohibit mass shooters from buying guns!

  38. Another one:

    Following the reports of a shooting at Patton State Hospital, a psychiatric facility about 5 miles from the IRC, one of the hospitals that took in patients from the attack has been put on lockdown.

    Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton, where some #SBshooting victims were taken, is on lockdown. @crimeshutterbug @IVDBmike @KimGuim
    ? Joe Nelson (@SBcountyNow) December 2, 2015

    20:52 GMT

    Police are responding to a report of shots fired at Patton Hospital, about five miles from the IRC.

    2nd shooting at Patton State Hospital. Its about 5 miles from initial shooting @raulita @protocolx219 @RonWaxman @teena_hernan
    ? Ann Victoria (@shy_blues1) December 2, 2015

    1. Someone really wants somebody dead.

      1. Yeah, now it looks like they are targeting the disabled folks in that clinic specifically. It’s beginning to look a lot less like random spreading of terror.

      2. I’ve read the Patton Hospital report was an error, and that they’re all clear. I have also read the conference room that was shot up at the community facility was rented to some other group. Xmas party, but it seems a bit early for that sort of thing.

        It is not a good day to be driving a black SUV in the eastern LA basin, judging by scanner traffic. I think I would be taking a cab home, rather than driving one.

        It’ll take a few days before we figure out what happened here.

        1. “NOT OJ’S BRONCO”

      3. That’s true. I really want three gunmen dead.

    2. If true, that would certainly lend credence to the theory that this is a terrorist attack.

      (Um, I mean workplace violence!)

  39. I am not surprised that mere days after the NSA ended its phone data collecting that something like this occurred. Damn you, Snowden, damn you to hell.

    1. DHS has 2 signals aircraft orbiting overhead. I think they’re good on the spying.

  40. Conference room was rented out to planned parenthood?

  41. The tack I see the proggies in my area taking is that this “proves” that the GOP is at fault for blocking a bill that would allow the feds to ban guns to anybody on a “terrorist watch list”. Mind you, they’ve no idea if anybody involved is actually on such a list, we’re not supposed be concerned about how the lists shit all over due process, and we’re not supposed to remember how angrily the proggies denounced said lists back when Bush was president.

    1. nothing like jumping to conclusions with no evidence

  42. If the shooter or shooters are captured live, and if there, as reported, are fatalities, victims of these people killed, the doers should be executed. Likely, if captured, they won’t be, which changes nothing about the fact that they should be executed.

  43. Someone on scene is telling people who were evacuated form the building not to talk to the media.

    Those people will have to be searched and interrogated and identified, so no worries on that front. They’ll be incommunicado for a while.

  44. From a very good libertarian follow on twitter

    HAL 10000
    ?@Hal_RTFLC
    People haven’t decided “mass shootings are acceptable”. They’ve decided gun control won’t stop them. There’s a difference.

    1. When progs accuse me (or other pro-gun people) of “accepting” mass shootings or wanting to “do nothing”, I always picture this scenario:

      Doctor #1: Well, our patient has very aggressive stage III cancer of the liver that has not responded to any conventional treatments. What are we going to do?

      Doctor #2: Let’s wave a magic wand over his body and chant spells from Harry Potter!

      Doctor #1: I don’t think that’s going to work.

      Doctor #2: Why don’t you want to cure him?! Do you think we should just let our patient die??

  45. I doubt that this is terrorist attack by radical Islam. Those people would have made their intentions known when they shot up the victimes. A few lines of “Allah ackbur” perhaps.

    Body armor is expensive and should be outside the price range for even gun enthusiasts (I’m assuming “body armor” used here isn’t just a bulletproof vest).

    1. Good point. It could be friggin’ anything.

    2. So BATF sting op gone bad? I mean nothing about this makes any sense.

      1. If it was some whack job like the last one then it would make sense that it didn’t make sense.

        1. Whack jobs normally work alone or with only one friend though. Getting three people going in one direction takes a bit more formalized of an ideology.

          1. There have been instances of families doing crazy crime shit together but this certainly goes beyond that.

            1. The Tsarnaevs Brothers. Another senseless act of workplace violence.

    3. According to P Brooks someone is telling witnesses to keep their mouths shut, so Allah ackbur shouting is still on the table.

      Yeah, it could be anyone and anything right now though.

      1. There must be some people inside their house who heard that line. The police can’t tell the entire neighborhood and surrounding businesses to clam up…… can they?

        I live in CA, so now I’m a bit spooked.

        1. “must have been”

        2. All of the witnesses are embargoed on a golf course. Getting on to busses, for some reason.

      2. Yeah I tuned into a stream for a minute and a 25 year old woman inside just hung up on her father who was talking with a reporter.

    4. The suspect has a middle eastern name, and there are now 3 federal aircraft flying overhead. 1 DHS spy plane, and 2 that are completely black.

      make of that what you will.

      1. It could be a lot of things. But chances are this is Islamic terrorism. The fact that there were three shooters really points to that. Lone nuts don’t move in threes.

        1. yes, by definition they don’t

        2. Or some really cool Hollywood style hit that only happens in movies. Very interested to hear who was meeting in that conference room.

          1. Boondock Saints but with better writing?

            1. The Town – without crazy Mics and lots of cash.

              1. Irish-American is the preferred nomenclature.

        3. What happened here doesn’t feel like a terrorist incident. If it is, that means ISIS might be shifting tactics and forbidding suicide attacks to conserve manpower.

          Honestly, they could plant bombs somewhere and take out people without taking their own lives. A little bit of common sense (“the mission is more important than virgins in heaven) could weaponize radical islam further.

          I don’t know all the facts, I’m really hoping this isn’t terrorism, even I have to endure the gloating from the left.

          1. Yeah it’s really weird.

          2. How can it not be terrorism? Doesn’t it look like it’d have to have been intended to induce terror? What are the odds that it was intended just to kill those particular persons?

        4. Lone nuts don’t move in threes

          That’s not always true. πŸ™‚

    5. On the other hand, who else would it be? There’s no serious group with major animosity toward the disabled, and even the extreme native right isn’t into doing evil for shock value. ISIS loves saying “look how fucking evil we can be. Nothing is sacred to us except our fucked-up religion”

      1. There’s no serious group with major animosity toward the disabled

        Yes there is: the police.

      2. Consider the possibility that it’s not animosity toward the disabled, but toward their helpers. Who would have such animosity? Other disabled persons who thought they themselves didn’t get enough help.

        Hell, for that matter, who’s threatening Art Bell & his family, & for what reason?

        1. Consider the possibility that it’s not animosity toward the disabled, but toward their helpers. Who would have such animosity?

          People who thought they should be aborted I dunno

    6. “”Body armor is expensive””

      $200-500? No more expensive than a handgun, and certainly more-important if you’re planning to get shot at by the Po-po

      1. Don’t get John started on body armor.

      2. I thought the entire ensemble (including plates that fortify it further) would be expensive, but I could be wrong. I don’t know too much about firearms and related accessories.

  46. I always assumed that the next terrorist escalation in the U.S. would be to hit second level cities. Too hard to hit NY and it leaves the rest of the country not worried.

    Hitting random spots in random second tier cities would be more alarming to most Americans.

    1. My mom always thought the best way to spread terror would be random amazon box bombs on folks doorsteps. Near impossible to catch the perpetrator and a real quick way to spread terror.

        1. I think he left clues. Didn’t his brother or friend rat him out?

            1. And he probably wouldn’t have been, had he not insisted on his manifesto being published. Same thing with the DC snipers; if they hadn’t tried to monetize it, and had just stopped instead, we’d be talking about them in the same tones we use to describe guys like the Zodiac Killer.

              1. Exactly. Or the BTK killer out in Wichita. They only got him by having the news bait him on the anniversary of his first murder. He got cocky and wrote another note. Otherwise, they never would have caught him.

      1. Suicide route — just drive vans with bomb into places. Body counts aren’t important. It’s the random terror aspect combined with soft targets.

        Especially white service vans. Those are everywhere.

  47. If only we had sensible gun control like France.

    1. “This doesn’t happen in other countries!”

      – Barack Obama

  48. Really glad I don’t have a Black Yukon parked anywhere in California.

    1. Why? It’s the purple pickup trucks that are in danger now.

    2. Yeah, Shepherd Smith had it right when he said “I’m guessing there are going to be a lot of abandoned black Yukon”

    1. That reminds me that I haven’t seen our John Titor around lately. Gone or going by a new handle? That guy’s all right.

      1. Still alive, just busy with work and other stuff nowadays. Usually pop in and lurk once and awhile, usually just have nothing decent to say.

    2. Gotta love this line:

      The average citizen is more educated about the Constitution and aware of the rights and responsibilities it gives them

      Because, as we all know about the Constitution, it’s about imparting rights to humans. And, giving them responsibilities.

      Glad to be on the same page as those future people!

      /Yeah, I know…there’s so much shit there before that satement.

    3. To be fair, I was time-hungover that week.

  49. This is a cop’s wet dream, getting to commandeer a school bus at gunpoint.

    1. My middle school was near a prison, and after they had an escape all buses were boarded and searched by many men with shotguns.

  50. With all due respect, WTF *is* it with the Lynx today?

  51. Obama’s already blaming gun laws and that those on the no fly list can buy guns which if your not here legally you can’t buy a gun in the first fucking place lies lies and more dam lies. I’m calling conspiracy buy the government especially if they never capture the shooters.

    1. If you can’t prove it’s not a government conspiracy, then it must be a government conspiracy!

    2. Remember ten years ago, when liberals were aghast at people on the no-fly list being treated like criminals despite never having been convicted of a crime? Good times.

      1. And they will be again the second a Republican is in the White House.

        1. It is as if they lack principles.

  52. If only we had common sense gun control. That would have prevented this tragedy. Or something.

    1. If onyl we had martial law.

  53. Report that a black Yukon has been found, abandoned, in San Bernardino. Evidently it’s suspected to be ‘the car’ but no idea how they know that.

  54. Well just saw the prez on CNN talking about it. You can guess what his take is.

    And the CNN talking heads are squirming in their seats with the effort not to lay blame where they so desperately hope it deserves to be. If it wasn’t so sickening, I’d chuckle at the guy who just said: Well we don’t know if it was an anti government militia group yet but, they did pull the fire alarm, so….

    What the fuck does pulling a fire alarm have to do with ideology?

    1. Aww, c’mon, TH!! It’s so simple! You might as well be asking about ball bearings…

      1. Wait a tic….they keep saying long guns. Hmm…long guns…muskets…militiamen…murderous right wingers….Bush?

      2. +1 Fletch?

        1. If that is a question and it’s for me, then, yes.

          And, thank you.

    2. They probably think there aren’t any fire alarms in the middle east, so this is too clever for foreigners!

      1. Oooooo… Ah seeeee… an inside job, and the plural noun makes it a conspiracy!

    3. “Lazy firefighters sitting around all day playing with Dalmatians on my illegally taken tax dollars! We gotta include them on this so they get off their asses and do something!”

      1. don’t forget the calendars. They play with dalamations and get ready for the next photo shoot.

  55. Easy quiz to find out whether you’re a progressive: Do you want the shooter to turn out be someone you hate?

    1. “Do you want the shooter to turn out be someone you hate?”

      I confess = if it turns out to the the LA Lakers starting team…

      1. Barnes isn’t a Laker anymore

        1. I think it would be wrong to rule out a range of potential starting lineups.

      2. As a lifetime hater of the Lakers, the last thing I want is for any of their current players to get in trouble and risk them getting better ones.

        1. In other words, you want to let the terrorists win.

      1. They’ve incorporated? Liberals are going to have some serious conflicting thoughts about that

        1. Didn’t you see the post from last night? They’re taxing ice cream trucks and checking for broken taillights.

          1. Nice. Also all of the beheadings must really be having a positive effect on the environment and out-of-control population.

            1. They convert the mass graves into cruelty-free Patchouli gardens..

          2. “They’re taxing ice cream trucks and checking for broken taillights.”

            That is clearly Islam.gov

          3. First thing they set up is a court system. They are very legalistic.

  56. Chief of SB Police Dept is giving press conference now. Up to 3 shooters, 14+ dead, 14+ wounded.

    1. Other info from the conference: just one site affected; EOD was looking at a few things at that site, but nothing concrete yet; no description given of the shooters, other than they had long guns, not handguns.

      Surprisingly uninformative.

      1. Bolt action rifles?

        Lever action rifle?

        Semiautomatic rifle?

        Select-fire rifle?

        1. They didn’t say. The news has been claiming “semi-automatic rifles” with pictures of shell casings that look like 5.56, and not 7.62×39. Frankly, calling them semi-automatics is more gun knowledge than I expected them to have.

  57. President Barack Obama was briefed and Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Twitter, “I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now.”

    Yahoo

    1. And lo, the people were enlightened

    2. Jesus Christ can these morally bankrupted sociopaths shut their god damned mouths for once to let the facts in?

      And what happens if these shooters are terrorists? How goes the fucken narrative then?

      Politicians like that wench sicken me to go off like that on the back of a tragedy.

      Seriously. She and her ilk can go fuck themselves.

      1. And what happens if these shooters are terrorists? How goes the fucken narrative then?

        It will still be about gun violence.

      2. Through clenched teeth

        “Don’t you dare blame Islam for this, don’t you *bleeping* dare”

      3. People on a sekret terrorism list can buy guns.
        Harry Buttle’s on it.

    3. Would she accept knife violence?

      1. Is it an assault knife?

        1. With the little thing that goes up.

  58. Did they use encryption?
    That shit is the bomb.

    1. I see what you did….

      Bah.

  59. Ya know. I’m beginning to like Trump more. He wants to go all Medieval on Medieval Islam.

    1. I gotta tell ya. If this turns out to be terrorism, I’m getting to that point. To attack the most vulnerable…I’m sorry. Time to take out the garbage. I know, I know but man.

      1. I am with you. I fucking had it with this bullshit. Nothing personal but if having Muslims in your society means putting up with this shit, every Muslim in America can pack their shit and head back to Bumfuckistan.

        1. In this respect people underestimate Europe I think. Let’s say your choice as a continent is daily shootings, terror threats, shut downs, rape scandals…or deporting 10% of the population to make it all go away. Which would you choose? I know what I would choose. I hope it doesn’t come to it, but I know what Europe will choose too.

          1. Exactly. The population will not put up with it. And if their leaders try to get them, they will get different leaders. And I don’t care what the birth rate is, 90% of the population can still slaughter a 10% minority if it gets pissed off enough.

            1. If the leaders try to stop them then they’ll only make the situation worse. Rather then supporting a more moderate voice saying “enough” they’ll be forced into supporting someone who has a final solution to the problem.

              It’s like trying to cap a volcano thats on the verge of erupting, you only make the inevitable eruption bigger, and more destructive.

          2. Oh, it’ll come to that. There will be a tipping point.

          3. I think people misunderstand the liberal climate that developed there in the wake of World War II.

            The shame of being associated with fascism won’t last forever. Someday, it’ll become like calling someone a communist here in the U.S., which these days mostly just makes people snicker.

            1. You’re already way too late.

              When everyone’s a fascist, then no one is a fascist.

          4. deporting 10% of the population to make it all go away.

            Although I hate the idea of banning a religion, I don’t know what else we’re supposed to do with a religion that is also an inherently intolerant political ideology.

      2. I’d personally rate first-graders as more vulnerable.

  60. looks like they have one of the terrorists isolated on the golf course. this guy has been good at being up to date https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r

    1. Capture the fucker alive. Find out exactly who is behind this.

  61. I can’t help but hope the people who did this turn out to be Tom Brady and his three gay lovers, Theo Epstein, Paul Feinbaum, and Payton Manning.

    Is that bad?

    1. Kinda inappropriate, yeah.

      But if they turn out to be terrorists, we’re all in trouble.

      1. We are not in trouble. But I think a lot of Muslims may be and the dipshits who refuse to stop apologizing for them as well. People are not going to put up with this.

      2. Why would terrorists target something so specific?

        They might shoot up a mall or something. But a private party in a room in an office building?

        I would guess it’s a disgruntled ex-employee.

        1. I agree except there were three of them. Lone nuts who are pissed about being fired generally don’t come in threes. But who knows at this point.

        2. “They might shoot up a mall or something. But a private party in a room in an office building?”

          A Christmas Party?

          In this day and age?!

          Somebody must have said “Merry Christmas” to the wrong progressive.

          It’s “Happy Holidays” or nothing, you micro-aggressive bastards!

      3. If they turn out to be terrorists, then it’s less likely someone will try to trample our Second Amendment rights, though, right?

        If it’s three guys together, you gotta figure they did it for some kind of ideological reason.

        And looking at the nature of the offices, it seems like something only an idiot or a foreign terrorist would hit. Terrorists hit healthcare centers for the developmentally disabled on purpose.

        No one else does.

        I know it’s all speculation at this point, but my bet is on foreign terrorist.

        1. “If they turn out to be terrorists, then it’s less likely someone will try to trample our Second Amendment rights, though, right?”

          LOL

          oh, you’re serious.

          1. It’s hard to tell anymore.

            The solution to that church shooting was to bring down the Confederate flag.

            But, yeah, in response to terrorism, I’m not sure how you spin the solution into banning the AR-15.

            It’s probably harder than if you was a bunch of right-wing nuts.

            1. ‘ I’m not sure how you spin the solution into banning the AR-15.”

              people are already Tweeting = “The NRA arms terrorists

              hell, they were doing it before this happened.

              1. Yeah, the SJWs are going to tweet their little rainbow hearts out.

                Whether Congress will pass a weapon ban in an election year is another question.

                If the legislators can spin this as being a function of foreign terrorism, I’m thinkin’ maybe it’s harder to get something like that passed.

                If right wing nuts did this for some reason, …it may be hard not to pass something in an election year. The inevitability of mass shootings every so often is probably a great argument for people who care a lot about the Second Amendment to vote for almost any Republican . . . save The Donald.

                Incidentally, I was waiting for the right opportunity to point out that one of the best arguments for the Second Amendment is that no right wing kooks out there had opened fire on the BLM movement or the anti-free speech kids at that college–despite them making such an easy target for a deranged, idiot, evil, right wing nut. I was going to make that argument, and then I heard some sick bastard opened fire on some BLM kids.

                  1. And in that shooting, Ken, the BLM protesters by their own words tried to “herd” the counter-protesters to an area not covered by cameras. IOW they tried to beat the shit out of somebody armed. Which never ends well for anyone.

                    1. I appreciate that.

                      I also appreciate that the argument that because no one has shot up a BLM protest or those hateful little anti-free speech bastards at that college, the Second Amendment is all good–could end in a heartbeat.

                      I think I’ll stay away from the utilitarian arguments for guns.

                      They often seem to end in tears.

        2. If it turns out to be terrorists, they’ll double down on the push to ban people on the “terrorist watch list” (which contains whoever the DOJ wants it to) from owning guns.

          1. They would do far more to people on that list than banning them from having guns.

    2. It is terrible. And when I stop laughing, I’ll be writing a long screed telling you exactly how bad you are.

    3. Feinbaum is more a Nick Saban guy.

    4. That would be somewhat of a relief. I think your obsession with Tom Brady might be bad.

    5. Is that bad?

      Yes, it is. Peyton Manning would be funnier.

    6. Yeah, that’s a terrible joke.

    7. Yeah, that’s a terrible joke.

  62. “Who would think of such a thing to make an attack at that kind of facility?” Hall said.”

    We have to seriously stop asking these questions.

    It’s getting pathetic.

  63. It doesn’t feel like typical lone psycho. Victims appear to have been county employees. There were 3(?) masked gunman.

    1. possibly 4 now.. and now an air force base in the area is on lockdown from reports of an active shooter. Plus a mall was evacuated, and Amazon there recieved threats. The mall and amazon might be hysteria though.

      1. I would be skeptical of reports of active shooters. People are understandably a bit paranoid. That said, it is entirely possible. Lets see.

        1. I am skeptical of all reports – I am not even assuming they are islamic. I know where I’d place my bets, though. Right now I don’t think there are more than four guys, and most likely three (with two escaping in the suv and one left behind for whatever). But.. people have families and friends in the area, and if a phone call or a warning, or a heads up helps someone out..

          1. and I was wrong after reading the report a couple times, it was a NM air force base that was shut down, but now given the all clear. Sorry bout that.

        2. People are getting jumpy as fuck. And understandably so. Kirtland AFB just issued—and then retracted a few minutes later—a report of an active shooter there.

          So, what do we think? Repeat of Boston Strong throughout the LA Basin as evidence from the shooting scene, the Yukon, and whatever national technical means are brought to bear, lead law enforcement to suspects?

          Not good that these guys are still on the run.

          1. OTOH, I guess we can be thankful that this isn’t likely to be a repeat of Paris, solely because if it were, there’d be multiple shooting/bombing attacks elsewhere while most of the LEOs in S. California were busy in San Berdoo.

            Oh good, they’re airing the Shithead-in-chief’s interview with CBS.

    2. Looks like a hit to me

  64. I initially heard the cops were looking for three white men. Is that still true? No update on that so far.

    1. nothing confirmed so far.

    2. Farook Syed, then the focus changed to Pedro Hernandez.

  65. Interesting tidbit about this place, as reported by the LAT

    http://www.latimes.com/local/l…..story.html

    “The center has come under fire in the past.

    In 2010, parents and care provider criticized the center for allegedly ignoring children’s needs, the San Bernardino Sun reported. The center was accused for appearing to show favoritism regarding vendor rates.”

    1. Talk about a bad time for employing journalistic cliches.

      1. I loled, although I feel kind of bad about it

        1. Looks like they’ve changed it.

  66. Lavinia Johnson, Inland Regional Center’s executive director, told Reuters the shooting was at a conference center that was rented out for a county personnel holiday party, possibly to the San Bernardino Department of Health.

    Yahoo

    1. So… no retarded *children* were harmed….

    2. My calendar says today is Wednesday. Daytime parties during the work week for county employees, on the clock? Of course. Another soon to be glossed over non-event.

  67. The thing that augers against terrorism…

    Since when do terrorists wear masks?

    Does anyone remember anytime that the terrorists were wearing masks?

    Once the terrorists get their attack in, they want us to know who they are.

    1. Terrorists wear masks. About 30 seconds of googling will make you less ignorant.

      In this case, it was clearly Mexicans.

      1. Asking questions isn’t ignorant.

        1. I’m just asking questions

          1. I’m just sayin’.

    2. Old school terrorists wore balaclavas, didn’t they? But that seems to have fallen out of fashion.

    3. Good point.

      the fact they are trying to get away is also not a typical terrorist M.O., which is to go out in a blaze of glory.

      Its a pretty mixed up set of info, between the description of their method, the targets, the get-away…

    4. Um, what’s the first word in this report on the Charlie Hebdo shooting, after the title

      http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli…..is-n281266

      1. true. but probably more the exception than the rule. Not that there’s so many of these kinds of events to establish ‘rules’, but the issue of M.O. is still germane.

        I’d think the Masks thing suggests that they’re not foreigners, but rather US residents

      2. They sure were wearing masks.

        I guess I get so used to seeing them identified, . . .

    5. That’s what I’m thinking. Mass shooters also don’t wear masks. They crave the notoriety.

      But at the top of my head, some of the Charlie Hebdo shooters wore masks and some offshoot terror cells (like the one that hit Mali) involve getaway vehicles.

    6. They wore them for the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Thought that some of the Paris shooters wore them too.

      Useful if you want to be able to leave the area—like these guys did today—and be able to attack somewhere else in the future. I still think this is a Major Hassan style attack—homegrown jihadi gets fed up and lashes out. That this wasn’t a jihadi-bait event like “draw Mo day” makes me think that one of these guys had an affiliation with the building or the group renting the conference room. Ex-employee, friend of an employee, that sort of thing.

      That they haven’t found him/them yet, indicates to me that these clowns either want to do this sort of thing again, or they’re running to get out of the country. You’d think that if this was an ISIS op, there’d be more attacks elsewhere at this time, and that they’d already have rushed forward to take credit. Neither of which, AFAIK, has occurred.

  68. SBPD spokesman is — I am not making this up — Rich Lawhead.

    Poor kid didn’t have a chance.

  69. Latest news: The perps seem to have a connection to the Post Office.

    1. Don’t we all?

      1. You guys *are* referring to this, right?

    2. Aren’t they supposed to go postal at the Post Office?

  70. Holiday Party? What could the shooters possibly have against Christmas?

    1. WAR ON CHRISTMAS!

      1. #BurlivesMatters

    2. The correct response is “Happy Holidays”–not “Merry Christmas”.

      And it isn’t a “Christmas tree”l; it’s a Hanukkah/Kwaanza bush.

  71. Video of the shooters in the parking lot.

    Dorothy Vong, a nurse at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, recorded this video around 11 a.m. to send to her husband, thinking it was a active-shooter drill.

    1. It looks a lot like the response by cops after the shooters did their thing: guys holding M-4ish rifles at low ready, wearing khakis, moving deliberately, a shitton of people running on the road behind them, not away from the ‘shooters’ in the video.

      1. Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. This is not the shooters unless the cops knew about it before the event, because there are a ton of people dressed in black running down the road and across the parking lot right behind the 3 guys.

  72. The entire road outside the facility is a parking lot of marked and unmarked and off duty cops SUVs and cars. They keep parking and leaving and pulling u-turns. There’s crowds of all types of cops milling around and running around in little groups of three or six. I just saw a Probation officer in body armor and mirrored shades turning around in circles. A school bus just dropped of a ton of desk duty or called from home officers from the police station, and they’re jogging around. It’s a cluster fuck of uselessness.
    And the suspects are gone…classic.

  73. The entire road outside the facility is a parking lot of marked and unmarked and off duty cops SUVs and cars. They keep parking and leaving and pulling u-turns. There’s crowds of all types of cops milling around and running around in little groups of three or six. I just saw a Probation officer in body armor and mirrored shades turning around in circles. A school bus just dropped of a ton of desk duty or called from home officers from the police station, and they’re jogging around. It’s a cluster fuck of uselessness.
    And the suspects are gone…classic.

  74. http://news.yahoo.com/reports-…..30668.html

    Yahoo has a very “informative” graph by Mother Jones showing the rates of mass shootings per year since 1982. They seem to have increased since Obama took office. I blame obstructionist Republicans and racism.

    1. That entire graph is noise. The highest year is 2012 with 7.

      They excluded gang violence, domestic violence incidents, and armed robberies, as well as incidents with multiple shooters. Which means that both this incident and the one in Colorado Springs don’t count.

    2. That entire graph is noise. The highest year is 2012 with 7.

      They excluded gang violence, domestic violence incidents, and armed robberies, as well as incidents with multiple shooters. Which means that both this incident and the one in Colorado Springs don’t count.

  75. I obviously don’t know but the whole thing feels to me like these guys were going after specific target(s). Seems more like a hit squad then a terrorist act. Maybe do a mass shooting to obviscate your actual one or two real targets? Who knows though.

  76. Well, looks like the police shot up a SUV. Let’s hope it was actually the suspect(s) and not a false alarm, like in the Dornier case

  77. Looks like they had a shoot out and captured a guy. Hopefully it wasn’t some random family in a black SUV.

    1. Yeah, no doubt.

    2. Hopefully it wasn’t some random black family in an SUV.

      1. On the police scanner, they said that the suspect shot and still in the back of the SUV (still breathing, apparently) had an AR-15 strapped to his chest, so… probably not.

        1. There’s also an AK-pattern rifle with curved magazine, vertical foregrip, and mounted optic, near the deader in the street. Odd to mix and match like that, but expected if they’re not that organized, and are guys who just decided to go shoot something up.

          I wonder what tipped the cops that this black SUV (not the GMC Yukon everyone was looking for to begin with) was the one they wanted? Anything to do with the Pilatus et al that’s been orbiting the area for the last several hours?

  78. Jesus tap dancing Christ, KTLA just showed a ventilated corpse on the street. Lots of blood.

    1. Officer and suspect both shot.

      1. The overheads look like they’re reenacting the end of The Blues Brothers. If that’s not every cop car in SB, it’s gotta’ be close. Hope it’s the same guys that shot up the party. One of the guys is on the run on foot in that neighborhood.

        17 wounded now, per cop press conference just now.

    2. Yeh. Saw that.

  79. Obama calls for gun reformscontrol in wake of San Bernardino shooting

    No surprise. He’s now pushing for people on the various no-fly lists, secret lists that any agency can place your name on without prior notification or recourse, should be stripped of their constitutional rights by statute. The Constitutional Scholar strikes again.

    Oh, and rather than being a source of embarrassment after saying in Paris that no other country has gun violence like the U.S., he repeats the same thing.

    1. No surprise. He’s now pushing for people on the various no-fly lists, secret lists that any agency can place your name on without prior notification or recourse, should be stripped of their constitutional rights by statute.

      And he’s doing this before all the bodies have even been retrieved from the building. Classy.

      1. We have to do *something*! For example, I’m going to change the briefs I soiled in my terror of masked gunmen.

    2. Not even the no-fly list. The “terrorist watch list”, which is much bigger and you have no way of knowing if you’re on.

    3. Maybe we can make people on that list wear distinctive armbands. Did not some country in central Europe do a similar thing to a subset of the population bac k in the 1930’s? What was the result?

  80. Some my conjecture is Mexican cartel hit. It’s too organized to be anything else.

    1. Would a Mexican cartel really shoot more than 30 people during a hit? They wanted to kill as many people as possible, not a specific individual.

      1. If they wanted to send a message, yes. That’s generally how they roll.

        1. Send a message to a group of country employees at a holiday party?

          Here’s my entirely baseless guess: This is ISIS inspired. They’re Americans of Muslim background, not immigrants/migrants. They chose this target because one of the gunmen either worked or received services at/from the facility and was familiar with its security and layout.

          1. That’s been my guess for the last few hours too. Not ISIS, but wannabes, and probably pissed at the org holding the gathering or the building where it was held.

          2. I’m unclear on what county employees were attending. My initial thought was maybe some judges/DA office types.

            But I’ve also heard something about it being a party for Teamsters so who knows. The choice of target is what is throwing me off. If its wannabe jiahdis San Berdoo is a bizarre choice when there are more prominent targets only an hour away.

            1. Generally, perpetrators target who and what they are familiar with. They chose this particular target because one of them knew it and it was soft – no security. It’s odd, but they probably felt ‘safe’ in choosing this target.

              1. Most public places in this country are “soft” have no security.

          3. “ISIS inspired. They’re Americans of Muslim background, not immigrants/migrants. They chose this target because one of the gunmen either worked or received services at/from the facility and was familiar with its security and layout.”

            I think that’s all a good ‘rough-guess’

            the more about the facility i hear, the more it seems like it was used for a variety of “generic govt services”. the idea that they were either local / had worked there/ saw it as “easy pickings” all seems to make sense. Unless, of course, they were upset that they weren’t invited to the Christmas Party. Don’t get me started on my last “Secret Santa”-gone-wrong.

            1. hmmm. Someone got a McDonald’s coupon from their SS? Seems like motive enough.

              1. Let’s just say that Secret Santa should never be used as an opportunity to anonymously inform co-workers about “Things You Hate About Them” in front of the entire office.

                (*I was once given a “”Learning to Listen With Your Heart“‘ Self-Help book by a secret santa co-worker. I didn’t mind the joke, but i’d given a *()$&@#$ $50 bottle of scotch to MINE…. i felt at that point that i had the right to call upon 25% of that bottle to be redeemed immediately to my glass)

                1. So, did you finally learn to listen with your heart?

                  1. Obviously.

            2. Did you get a gift card that wasn’t activated? I always thought that would be the perfect crime.

            3. None of them got the Christmas present he really wanted.

              So now they’re going to look for a present in Paradise.

              Too soon?

              Yes, I guess it is.

            4. Why are they having a Christmas party more than three weeks before Christmas? Even Hanukkah is weeks away.

              1. I thought it started this weekend.

            5. Don’t get me started on my last “Secret Santa”-gone-wrong.

              I never get the booze.

              1. “I never get the booze.”

                EXACTLY!!!

      2. If you want to obviscate your actual target(s)?

    2. In tactical gear? That’s not mob or cartel MO.

      1. Body armor? Sure it is. But they were using AKs and not BATF supplied M4s so maybe not.

        1. Maybe I don’t know the Mexican cartel, but not Mafia. Never heard that. I could be wrong on that.

          1. Unless I’m wrong on what body armor is.

    3. The cartels want money, not a fucking war. Granted, with President Pussy around, the odds are pretty strongly against any consequences anyway.

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    1. You should have attempted a segue, like “speaking of killer deals,” or something tasteful like that.

      1. The technology simply isn’t there yet to program the ‘bots with that sort or awesomeness.

        1. Don’t other the bot

      2. To be fair it’s still better than what the proggles are screeching on the twitterverse

  82. reddit feed with updates

  83. How did this happen in California? They have universal background checks, an assault weapons ban, a hi cap magazine ban, bullet buttons, any number of pistols and shotguns on a DOJ ban list, and gun free zones!

    Oh wait, criminals don’t follow laws and evil never sleeps.

    1. Imagine if you live in one of those houses where the SUV got shot up!

    1. Nope – too many athletic, agile, white guys – not enough obese female po-po.

      1. Ha. There are so many giant women in tight pants with guns on their hips!

        1. Are you going to be OK?

          1. Ladies in blue are not my bag.

        2. Hopefully first-responders have been properly trained to not cover the blow-hole in the event one of these whales are injured…

          1. “One officer is recovering from a gunshot; countless others are recovering from diabetic comas.”

            1. Was the shooter named Queequeg?

              1. He harpoon for you no more.

  84. How many cops does it take to clear a bullet riddled SUV?

    Quite a bit difference since the Bonnie and Clyde days.

  85. Twitterverse saying that suspect (or person of interest, I suppose) Farooq sayd worked for the center and was seen behaving strangely in recent days.

    1. Faraq Said? I

  86. Anyone recognize this site?

    They are reporting someone on twitter posting stuff like this:

    “Three lions made us proud. They are still alive,” one ISIS adherent tweeted after the shootings at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. “California streets are full with soldiers with heavy weapons. The Unites States is burning #America_Burning #Takbir”

    Is this legit?

    1. Sorry, site is http://www.vocativ.com/. I’ve never heard of it before.

    2. Three lions made us proud.

      They’re England Men’s National Soccer Team fans?!

      1. Standards are low.

        Hey-O!

        1. To be fair, I’d be pretty disgruntled if I was a fan too.

    3. Would they really say this? Or is somebody doing a parody of the Four Lions movie?

      1. Ha! Four Lions is what I thought of too

  87. To go with that HuffPo writer’s tweet I posted earlier…

    Bloomberg BusinessVerified account
    ?@business
    San Bernadino shooting happened less than two miles from a Planned Parenthood health clinic http://bloom.bg/1jz6CCT

    1. Well, I’m sure they’ll get the teabaggers soon enough.

    2. It was also less than a mile from a dry cleaner.

        1. They really don’t.

      1. Oh God, I bet there were even schools in the area!

    3. So just teabaggers with the wrong address then?

    4. I think all tragedies should adopt this measure, and riff off Team America. Next attack in Beirut, “car bomb strikes mosque in Beirut. Mosque was 3478 miles from the nearest Planned Parenthood clinic.

  88. I posted this above but was meant to not be in reply to EvilWayz. With apologies:

    Imagine if you live in one of those houses where the SUV got shot up!

    1. I just said that same think to my wife

  89. All 3 suspects killed or arrested. Cbs

    1. That doesn’t jibe with what’s going on per the scanner.

      1. Go on…

        1. From the scanner, it seems the final suspect is cornered in a parking garage, but not captured.

          1. Nice. Thx

  90. All 3 suspects killed or arrested. Cbs

    1. You should have been suspicious when they added that all three suspects were lacrosse players who skipped their National Guard service.

      1. lacrosse players

        Sterling Archer? So it *was* ISIS.

  91. Press conference now. Two being dealt with. One possibly loose. Or she doesnt know anything. she cant decide

  92. Hispanic male, shaved head, orange shirt, camo pants. Police are trying to apprehend on East Briar Dr.

    It was that white Hispanic dude. What was his name?

    1. You mean the Men’s Wearhouse guy?

      1. I’m not sure, but you’re going to like the way you look or I’m gonna shoot up some shit!

        1. Nice – I guarantee it

    2. Marco Rubio

  93. Shots fired at a Chipotle. Is Playa accounted for?

    1. Apparently, no one has seen him today or his mom’s jeans.

    2. My new guess: Mexicans angry because holiday party catered by Chipotle feel their culture has been appropriated.

  94. Disappointing when the shooters end up just being retards. I thought Hans Grueber would be sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent by now.

    1. I still would have loved to know what he was planning to invest in to get 20%.

      1. Amway

      2. Greek Bonds

        1. Desmos, Iacobus Desmos.

      3. I was just thinking that the quote really dates the movie.

    2. It’s the best possible outcome. There’s no group to focus anyone’s anger on, nobody to retaliate against, except retards.

  95. OK this is weird, but about an hour ago I walked into one of the Muslim grocery stores in my neighborhood (not knowing anything about this shooting) and the guy behind the counter was staring at his phone with his head down and hand on his forehead, looking all distressed. He completely ignored my attempted purchase of some cookies, so I just walked out.

    Obviously this means nothing, but it feels kind of creepy now.

    1. Maybe he was watching Ben Affleck on Bill Maher.

    2. Poor guy was probably thinking what we all were thinking.

      1. Yeah, probably thinking “please don’t be Muslims, please don’t be Muslims”. It must kind of suck to be a decent Muslim just minding your own business right now.

  96. This is not making any sense. Mexican dudes in camo and orange shirts? Who the fuck wears an orange shirt with camo? Doesn’t orange shirt sort of fuck up blending in?

    I know, Mexican ass-sex libertarian drug cartel?

    1. Is this like wearing white after Labor Day?

      1. Whoa, whoa – nothing crazy like THAT!

    2. Camo doesn’t blend in in an urban environment, so that wasn’t their purpose in wearing the camo (assuming they had a purpose).

      1. Bald Mexican dude wearing camo pants and orange shirt. WTF? For real or is someone making up shit now?

      2. Several possibilities:

        Recognizing each other so they wouldn’t kill each other by mistake

        scaring people, making them feel…what’s the word? terror.

        Mere speculation.

        1. Recognizing each other so they wouldn’t kill each other by mistake

          Rick Santorum 2016 t-shirts would work better for that.

    3. Hang on. It’s being reported Mexicans and not terrorists?

      1. Not necessarily mutually exclusive.

      2. It’s apparently at least one Hispanic dude. Hispanic teabagger for sure, because most Mexicans are baggers. Oh, and there could be another guy who’s of Middle Eastern descent. I’m not clear on whether that guy is a bagger too, or not.

        1. No doubt he was a peace-loving free spirit from Mosul or Aleppo, who got radicalized by listening to Rush Limbaugh.

          1. It happens every day.

    4. Deer hunters.

    5. Who the fuck wears an orange shirt with camo?”

      1. I think deer are somewhat color blind – so breaking up your shape, while wearing bright colors so other hunters don’t shoot you makes sense. Can’t wear the bright colors when hunting turkey.

        1. That might not work if you’re on a terrorist rage. Just sayin.

          1. Well, they weren’t shot by hunters. We’ll call it mixed results.

  97. Goddamned women and orphans.

    LIKE WE WEREN’T WARNED.

    1. They are stealing our orphans? How will we cope with a reduced labor supply? Work them harder.

  98. It’s almost as if we create gun-free zones to test the theory.

    1. Magoo sez he recommends firing the angry burpy little fella.

    2. Well. Thankfully it is an isolated incident. The officer being convicted I mean.

  99. Now they’re jittery about *another* car driving around.

    1. A care driving around? Good gawd, when does that happen?

      1. I’m just saying what the reddit feed told me: “Reason it is suspicious – t[w]o men with long beards drove by the location twice. Driver wearing a green long-sleeve shirt.”

        1. Of course, most of these reports turn out to be fine. Some guy got lost finding his way to a party, he drove around – he has a beard – nobody notices except it’s the aftermath of a nasty incident.

          1. two guys get lost

            And of course we’re just going by what is presumably a description of a witness who saw them only briefly, etc., etc.

          2. tsk tsk…Another case of DWB*.

            Driving While Bearded.

        2. Apparently, there was also an F150 pickup truck involved at one point? F150 pickup? BAGGERS!

        3. Movember’s over! Who are these crazies who still have beards??

  100. I think it’s starting to come together. Mexican guy who worked at Men’s Wearhouse. Some asshole came in, bought a suit and later didn’t like the way he looked. The big White Hispanic then told Mexican employee to round up the other 2 employees and go shoot up the workplace of guy who dared not like the way he looked.

    You heard it here first.

    1. I’m saying 3 guys didn’t get the invitation to the holiday party.

      1. They were embarrassed because they were all wearing the same camo outfit, so they snapped.

    2. Big porker citizen who watches goddamn reruns of the three stooges and trained for years in how to punch bullets through tiny cardboard hearts with his Glock around the corner could have saved probably 10 of these angelic floating souls. But this is modern America where we have to SCREAM for help on 911 rather than trust citizens among us to throw lead where it counts before massive tires hauling scary angry people show up after a bunch of us are dead.

    3. Some asshole came in, bought a suit and later didn’t like the way he looked.

      Impossible. You will like the way you look. They guarantee it.

  101. The target is really the weirdest thing about this, and the fact that there were multiple shooters. If it was just a lone guy I’d hazard a guess at him being some nutter who wanted an easy target (or believed that autistics could read his mind through his tin foil hat). But a group implies some kind of shared ideology or common task.

    1. Only 2 things make sense.

      1. Workspace violence. Disgruntled employee.

      The reason that seems unlikely is that there were 3 people involved. I don’t think it’s very likely that you’re going to convince 2 of your co-workers to go shoot up the office party because they didn’t get a raise this year or whatever.

      2. Islamic terrorists.

      To me, this seems the most likely explanation, especially if one of them worked at the place that was shot up. I think ISIS tactics are a little different than what Al Queda was. Remember Paris. Mostly guns were used, just like here and the suspects fled. It seems that ISIS prefer the live to kill another day tactic.

      1. The reason that seems unlikely is that there were 3 people involved.

        Also because that sort of shooter usually doesn’t bother with an exit strategy more complicated than a bullet to the brain. And they’re usually just using whatever handgun they have on hand, not bombs and long guns and body armor and shit.

  102. Well this is messed up. This may have been the result of a dispute at the party.

    A senior federal official who is monitoring the case said investigators believe one of the shooters left the party after getting into an argument and returned with one or two armed companions.

    The shooting took place in a large conference room on the grounds of the Inland Regional Center, which serves people with developmental disabilities in Riverside and San Bernardino counties.

    1. Yes. He left and got a few buddies to go back and commit mass murder? That is strange.

      1. Also strange that they had AK-47s just sitting at home in California.

      2. Especially with body armor and masks. I got my buddies together to beat the crap out of you in back alley is one thing, but this was way too put together.

        1. He was a teabagger county department of health employee, who were planning on hitting a Planned Parenthood clinic next week with two friends, but when somebody spilled gravy on his nice sweater at the party he lost his cool and decided to do this instead.

      3. No shit, that’s strange on bread.

      4. A true friend wouldn’t hesitate.

      5. Very fucking strange. That is why I’m having a hard time with the workplace violence thing. That is always a one person show. To have 3 people so mad or just deranged to come back to a party, armed to the fucking teeth with body armor and shoot up the place. I really don’t believe it.

        1. Unless, they were jihadists. If the employee was pissed and knew people who were ready to commit jihad already, then it’s believable. Other than that, it is not believable by any stretch of the imagination.

          1. Let’s also keep in mind that they apparently had some pipe bombs in the SUV. This is being quoted on CNN from some unknown LE official.

            If this were a, “C’mon, guys! Gotta gets some payback for what that little prick said/did!”, how did they have pipe bombs ready? Are they current or former gang members who REALLY like to mess shit up?

            A lot of stuff that’s still difficult to parse.

    2. I still bet it was ISIS!

      That is a pretty crazy scenario. You take out the guy who offended you, OK, that’s normal stupid crazy. But you and your buddies go on a rampage over it? The fuck?

      1. That is why guessing (which every newsperson does, which should mean they are no longer newspeople), is absurd.

      2. The guy had to have jihadists friends. No one leaves a fucking party and goes to get 2 of their best buds who are armed to the teeth and ready to shoot up a place.

        1. I didn’t know there were jihadist minutemen.

          1. I didn’t either. But then I played Fallout 4. Wait, that was after the apocalypse and 12th Imam failed to appear. And they weren’t jihadists. Details, details.

            1. And the minutemen would get massacred by civilians.

              I swear every time I come across them I have to save their asses from wild dogs or plain old regular raiders. How are you supposed to defend the commonwealth if you lose to the lowest things on its food chain.

              1. The worst part is when you have to build beds and chairs for them when you just want to get on with the killin and lootin.

                1. FUUUCK, yes…

                  And, it’s not that I necessarily dislike building a settlement, but I don’t want to do 15, 20 of them.

                  Shoulda saved that for Fallout: Slumlord

        2. Or he had sovereign citizen friends. Or cartel friends and the dispute was over a drug deal the shooter had with one of the targets.

          1. (and I really should have said gang friends, because that makes more sense than real cartel guys north of the border going on an impromptu shoot out)

      3. Not to mention that it happened at 11AM on Wednesday morning. The only types of people that have buddies willing to do that are gangsters, and those guys aren’t known for having steady jobs.

        1. Maybe they were police.

  103. I just got unfriended by a person on fb because I pointed out the cops haven’t been doing well handling guns, either. People seem to be getting fired up about gun control in SoCal.

    1. Being unfriended on facebook is the greatest gift a person can receive.

      1. I feel that way about twitter. Anytime I get a new follower it’s a challenge to see how quickly I can drive them off.

      2. Deleting your facebook account is even better.

    2. When you have been unfriended by everyone on Facebook, then you are nearing enlightenment, weedhopper.

      1. Deleting it completely is arriving at Nirvana.

  104. Is this happening in San Bernardino or San Andreas county?

  105. My facebook feed is absolutely convinced this is right wing extremist. They can’t articulate a reason why such a theoretical group would attack a disability center, but they are certain its them and in no way can be affiliated with ISIS. Yeah, I’ve got a bunch of progs as facebook friends, can you tell.

    1. And *they* have a masochist as a facebook friend.

      1. I friended them because they used to be in my humans vs. zombies club. I’ve purged a bunch since graduating, but I basically had to friend the whole club to make our facebook group page work (plus I was a moderator, was easier to catch bad acting when I had access to their pages).

        1. Ah.

          I’ll avoid the “zombies won” joke, because they’re your friends.

    2. I hope for their sake it is. Because it’s going to suck donkey ballz if it’s the 7th day Adventists again.

    3. Tomorrow is Richard Nixon’s father’s birthday. So rightwing Quaker extremists, obviously.

    4. You people and your facebooks. Why do you even bother?

      1. Have you ever tried to coordinate fifty people who don’t check email? Facebook is godsend for college clubs.

        1. So they eschew email but hang out on Facebook? What is that I can’t even.

  106. They are at a church! Damn Pentecostals.

    1. I would be shitting my pants if I lived near that many police officers were going door to door near where I lived.

  107. Live-TV coverage of this sort of things does produce some ridiculous mind-farts from the News Anchors who feel compelled to keep their mouths moving nonstop regardless of absolutely no new information.

    1. How does Climate Change fit into this?

      1. How does Climate Change fit into this?

        Not sure yet, but clearly there’s a causal relationship.

        1. There’s also a 97% consensus that climate change causes mass shooting events.

    2. Right? There is live video. Stop talking. Stop giving us a play by play. Stop guessing.

  108. Hey! Speaking of which… Bryan Suits was just brought in to jibber-jabber for Fox

    1. Suits (who appeared frequently on The Independents) is going with the theory some other people have floated earlier – that these guys were a Mexican cartel-esque hit squad who were either targeting someone specific in the room (and took a lot of others out in the process)… or just sending a message to someone.

      But in general, he’s running with “Mexican gangs”

      1. That actually sounds pretty probable, at least for wild talking out our ass theories. Which they all are at this point.

        1. Well, the cartels are also a brutal group of swarthy assholes who love graphic beheadings and make a point of targeting any public figure that’s hostile to their prophet profit. So, maybe.

      2. That actually sounds pretty probable, at least for wild talking out our ass theories. Which they all are at this point.

      3. Suits? I bought his read his book! Oh wait…

      4. So, the logical follow-up… is this more likely to lead to President Trump than an ISIS attack, or less?

      5. ALSO =

        he makes a distinction i should have been more careful about = he thinks its more likely “Gangs” than “Drug Cartels”

        Cartels, in general, purposely try and keep a low profile and don’t murder people en-masse North of the border because they don’t want to get the fucking Feds after them.

        Gangs, by contrast, are completely ego-based and don’t have any worries about ‘self-preservation’, and will murder a room full of people over some bullshit beef.

      6. I call total bullshit on the Mexican gang or drug cartel non-sense.

        This is the USA, not fucking Michoacan or Guadalajara. Give me a fucking break. Drug cartels do that shit in those places because they know they’re going to get away with it. They do it in the USA, they know they are going do die.

        Only jihadists or deranged individuals are going to pull some shit like this in the USA. And deranged people do not come in 3s.

        1. Maybe they thought they would get away with it, what with the masks and the escape plan and all.

          1. The WTF were they still doing in the same town hours later? I would have been in Utah by then – after driving a stolen car to the bus station.

        2. You never know. Well, we will know tomorrow probably. But new things do happen sometimes. I’m going with Mexicans just for fun. I’m pretty sure there’s no prize for guessing right.

        3. You can call bullshit on it all you want – feds apparently have a similar hypothesis

          And again – suits clarified that its not likely “Drug Cartels”, but possibly gang-related, which has been shown in recent years to be more willing to engage in what the kids call “mad drama” on occasion. e.g. kidnappings, firebombings, etc. Higher profile stuff than what cartels would tolerate in the US.

          1. If the feds believe it, then I’m even more sure that it’s wrong. I’ll believe it when I see it.

      7. How do we know that they’re actually Mexican? Someone has confirmed ethnicity? I ask since we had a bunch of “Greeks” from Syria coming through Mexico recently too.

  109. “We have no information at this point to indicate that this is terrorist related, in the traditional sense that people may be thinking,” Burguan said. “Obviously, at a minimum, we have a domestic terrorist-type situation that occurred here.”

    Huh.

    1. Chaos followed the gunfire. At first some at the scene mistook the shots and law enforcement response for a routine disaster drill.

      If that’s what a routine disaster drill looks like in San Bernardino, I wouldn’t want to live within 100 miles of there.

    2. No one yelled anything ALLAH-related!

      1. If it turns out to be a party dispute like the news is reporting, California could use some retard control.

      2. It was Hawaiians – Hula Akbar!

        1. I have seen the mocking phrase: “Aloha snackbar!”

  110. News Conference in a few minutes

  111. I love the question as to whether these guys were terrorists or not.

    Regardless of ideology or background, you shoot a peaceful place to bits, you’re a terrorist by today’s definition.

    1. I think the definition (too lazy to look up) is that the *purpose* of their crimes is, or includes, a desire to scare people.

      1. There is no legal definition, because any coherent definition would also apply to US government actions.

    2. This is a fine line to me. Otherwise, any shooting that isn’t related to another crime can be called terrorism.

      The best definition I heard to easily determine if something is terrorism is if a group takes credit for it. If there is no group taking credit for it (even if the people are part of some group but they don’t claim it), then I’m loathe to call something terrorism.

      1. Al Qaeda didn’t claim responsibility for 9/11 until years later (and even that was debatable).

        1. Well, that’s because Dick Cheney did it. Duh.

      2. What if they take cash? Or gold?

      3. If I wanted to terrorize people, I wouldn’t take no credit for nuthin’. Let people have no idea where a threat came from, or even whether it was deliberate. That’s real terror!

    1. Good idea, maybe more light will have been shed by the time I get back.

    2. Mine is double strength steeped in a thermos for hours. As usual.

  112. The big winner this: Lenco Armored.

    1. In this.

      Also a big winner: the media.

  113. Barf. Washington ComPost lives up to its name.

    Hours before San Bernardino shooting, doctors urged Congress to lift ban on gun violence research

    On Wednesday morning, a group of doctors in white coats arrived on Capitol Hill to deliver a petition to Congress. Signed by more than 2,000 physicians around the country, it pleads with lawmakers to lift a restriction that for nearly two decades has essentially blocked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from conducting research on gun violence.

    Joined by a handful of Democratic lawmakers, the doctors spoke about the need to view gun violence as a public health epidemic and research ways to solve it ? as the country would with any disease causing the deaths of thousands of Americans each year.

    “It is disappointing that we have made little progress over the past 20 years in finding solutions to gun violence,” said Nina Agrawal, a New York physician and member of the advocacy group Doctors for America, according to the group’s Twitter feed.

    1. I’m sure the shooter stood around for a few minutes pondering this great revelation before acting. ‘Whoa dude, good thing that CDC can’t do any gun violence research, or we totally couldn’t go on a murderous rampage!’

      On Wednesday morning, a group of doctors in white coats arrived on Capitol Hill

      Hey, look at me, I have a white coat, look at me, love me, adore me…

      Liberals lack a built in barf meter.

    2. “It is disappointing that we have made little progress over the past 20 years in finding solutions to gun violence,” said Nina Agrawal

      “On the other hand, our progress in finding solutions to terrorism has been *outstanding*.”

      1. Nobody ever tried martial law?

        Letting soldiers out onto the streets to do their job?

    3. Not stealing other people’s money to pay you to do something = banning that something

    4. it pleads with lawmakers to lift a restriction that for nearly two decades has essentially blocked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from conducting research on gun violence.

      “It is disappointing that we have made little progress over the past 20 years in finding solutions to gun violence,

      There’s that fag talk we talked about….

    5. “On Wednesday morning, a group of doctors in white coats arrived on Capitol Hill to deliver a petition to Congress.”

      It wouldn’t be the first time a bunch of people in white paraded in Washington to influence government policy.

    6. Fucking liars. Do all the research you want – with your own money, not mine.

    7. Centers for DISEASE Control.

      Isn’t there already some part of the federal government tasked with crime prevention? Or is wanting to keep and bear arms no reclassified as a DISEASE?

  114. “So far in 2015, there have been more than 350 shootings in which four or more people died, according to the crowd-sourced website shootingtracker.com,”
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/…..smsnnews11

    This gets the BS meter bouncing, and the site’s server is maxed out right now. Anybody have any info?

    1. It’s crowdsourced by a bunch of true believers in a cause. If it isn’t full of bullshit and made up claims nothing is.

    2. The usual “mass shooting” stats exclude gang violence, domestic violence, and armed robberies, because those dwarf the “lone crazy person” shootings. Even including those I don’t know if you can get up to 350, though.

    3. Looks like your BS meter is correct.

      Auditing ShootingTracker.com: Do They Even Care About Facts?

      This is how the MSM perpetual motion machine works, though. A “journalist” mentions a “fact” that is total BS, and then other “journalists” can cite the original “journalist” without mentioning the source of the “fact”. Then someone writes that “fact” into every Wikipedia article it could possibly have anything to do with, citing the various “journalists”, and if any other editor tries to delete it as obviously mistaken, they throw WP:VNT (“Verifiability, Not Truth”) in their face and try to get them banned.

      1. “This is how the MSM perpetual motion machine works, though.”

        ‘Population Bomb! Mass starvation in India in the ’70s!’

    4. The vast majority of their “mass shootings” are instances where 1 (or no one) was killed, and 2-or-more wounded.

      Quick screen – 250 of the 350 shootings (~70%) were “1 killed” or “none killed”

      1. Exactly.

        Though I assumed it was 4+ injured, but you’re right. It’s just 2 or more wounded. Ridiculous.

        1. Actually the “total #” seems to need to add up to at least 4 in all cases.

          In the cases were 0 were killed (146 out 350), there’s a minimum of ‘4 injured’.

          If 2 were killed, at least 2 were wounded.

          If 1 was killed, at least 3 were wounded, etc.

          its not clear that the ‘injured’ are necessarily from gunfire. They have links to citations of the incidents, but aren’t available because their website has crashed.

          regardless – all they’re doing (like last night’s “right wing terror” data analysis) is pooling certain types of crimes, and lumping them all together as though they’re significant of some similar thing when they’re not.

          I sincerely doubt they conduct any “analysis” of the profile of the shooters. They love to claim its “crazy white people” who are the perpetrators of the “real” mass shootings… which is probably true. But then they gin-up fake data about Bullshit “mass shootings”… which are largely just re-cut Gang-Shootings by young urban black kids. They sort of want to have their crazy-white-guy profile, and pin these “350” on it as well.

          1. Ah. I hadn’t gone through the data so closely.

            But excellent point about conflating all of one and then pinning something completely different to it.

          2. Also, this link clearly shows that at least some of the incidents include things that are not shootings (2 shot, 2 injured jumping through window) as mass shootings. Also includes things like a single shooter killing 2 people in 2 separate incidents a week apart.

            http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c…..out-facts/

    5. That number going around about more than one mass shooting a day is NOT using the normal definition which includes deaths. That number is under 10 (8, I believe, but don’t hold me to it). This stat is using more than 4 people injured and includes shootings by police, committing other crimes, etc.

      1. “This stat is using more than 4 people injured and includes shootings by police, committing other crimes, etc.”

        Well, at 350, the obviously didn’t count the Chicago shootings! Imagine how few there would be if Chicago outlawed guns!

      2. From their own data-set… there were 60 shootings in 2015 with “3 or more” killed.

        not quite as impressive.

        I think you could learn a lot from the least-fatal of the incidents they claim as “mass shootings” (as opposed to the most-fatal, which are genuinely fucked up)

        The “no one killed” ones seem to always involve some gangster in the hood just popping off rounds indiscriminately.

        e.g.

        “”Police said the gunman got away in a gold SUV with black rims.””

      1. They croudsourced the Boston Marathon bombing as well. They were totally wrong.

        1. LET THE WISDOM OF TWITTER FIND THE TROOF!

    6. I heard that stat reported on NPR on the way home. I was wondering where the hell they got that from.

  115. I think this is going to be a specific grievance with the county officials at the meeting targeted. Probably some family or house or group that they pissed off or fucked over.

    1. this was planned. No one brings accomplices, masks, and tactical gear otherwise. So, you’re right; there likely was a specific target and, more likely, targets since no sense in killing 14 over one.

      1. Environmental Health Services. Not sure what they do but if they have power than they probably have pissed some people off.

        1. Anti-vaxxers. The Mujennyhideen.

        2. GMO hors d’oevre were served at the party. Anti-GMO activists go insane?

          1. The Gluten Intolerant express their intolerance with gunfire?

    2. A more plausible version of the “shooter had left party earlier” theory.

      Rick Serrano
      ?@RickSerranoLAT
      Ca shooting: Feds also theorize that one gunman was at the event earlier in the day to make sure a specific target was there, then returned
      4:22 PM Dec 2 2015

      1. Now that makes sense. If this was preplanned, casing the joint first is logical.

  116. Body next to SUV. Supposedly graphic. Not much blood or gaping wounds.

    Looks like a “white” guy if the color balance is reasonably correct.

    1. I thought the church shooter was black from the first photo released of him, so I’m going to have to withhold judgement until we get a better shot.

    2. I hate myself for laffing at the caption.

    3. I have a way better shot of the other dude. I’d post it, but my favorite gun is right next to his body.

  117. Police Commander: “Get as many officers as we can into groups, and let’s make sure they stand around doing nothing.”

  118. Slate commentators seemed to be convinced one of the shooters was female. Haven’t a clue where they got it from, but supposedly Hispanic or Arabic.

    1. Saw a comment “red bra”. Probably to hide the blood. Off white is used to hide the milk.

    1. Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.

    2. She’s really a dude.

      1. Is that a Finkle is Einhorn?

    3. He was on Earth the whole time.

      1. +1 cold dead hands

        1. +2 damn dirty paws

    4. It was his sled.

    5. Lou Reed died.

    6. He’s not a real wizard, just a carnie.

    7. Soylent Green is made of people!

    8. Joe Blake is a Nazi.

    9. There’s a black Stormtrooper.

      1. WE AINT FOUND SHIT!

  119. There is SPECULATION by the ABC7 chopper pilot that one of the dead suspects may be a female. This is unconfirmed, but he says he saw the suspect wearing a red bra.

    Well, that clears libertarians.

    1. But not transgendered leftists..

  120. Who will end up having more press conferences: The San Bernadino police command today, or President Obama this year?

    1. “I don’t have that information.”

    2. Are you watching the Loma Linda chick? She’s out of your league, but slightly below mine.

      1. Yesterday I was given third-hand information that a short, orange, girl thinks I am hot, so I think my league has improved just a bit.

        1. An orange girl?

            1. That is the term I used to describe her.

              “Who? The oompa?”

        2. An orange girl? Like one of these ladies?

          Or more like this? Who wouldn’t want to buy oranges from *her*?

          1. I suppose, to be hip, I should put this link here.

            1. More Orange girls – they make quite a case for ecumenism.

        3. oompah loompa? Classy

          1. Sure. You just start thrusting, and you’ll hit something.

  121. SB County Sheriff
    @sbcountysheriff

    Standby for the news briefing. We will keep you updated. We appreciate your patients

    =============

    And bodies too!

    1. It’s nice that he’s kept his sense of humor through all this.

    2. We will fined these guys.

    3. The police require blood sacrifices, afterall.

  122. Thank goodness we got those sunglasses! How jovial!

    1. Don’t you think those morons with badges (police or fire, I can’t tell) would pretend to be grim and stop laughing?

  123. I’d like to see the voter registrations of the shooters. It would be a real whoop if they were Democrats. That would kill (heh) the narrative.

    1. Narrative re-work!

    2. I totally called it, in the PM links I blamed the gender pay gap.

        1. Such a great role model

          1. OMFG. I am at a loss for words.

        2. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, I always think of a certain Bible verse whenever I see one of those craven Dem propaganda videos using children… “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.

          1. It is evil, but it’s so painfully awful too. I’m almost embarrassed for her.

  124. 1 man, 1 woman. What marriage should be.

    1. Natural Born Killers rears its ugly head twenty-one years later.

      1. MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE!

  125. “Possible” terrorism!!!

  126. They did it in style. —

    Chief: “They were both dressed in assault-style clothing … armed with assault-style rifles.”

    =============================

    So far 1 dead male. 1 dead female – no mention of bra size or color.

    1. Narrative: he was abusive toward her and forced her to take part.

      1. She was just trying to defend herself from that War on Women? that I’ve been hearing so much about.

        /sarc

    2. This might be ISIS related after all.

  127. Apropos of absolutely nothing…

    …last night i Utubed the term “hello sailor” hoping to find a clip of bugs bunny in drag…. (don’t ask)

    ..and instead i discovered that there was a very good band from New Zealand that went by that name, and this seems to be their best song, which i quite like.

    1. last night i Utubed the term “hello sailor” hoping to find a clip of bugs bunny in drag.

      *blocked*

      1. speciesist transphobic bigot

  128. Seriously? About the car that the cops shot up, killing two occupants, “we don’t know if they were involved”.

    1. That’s nothing new for the LAPD. Remember Dorner?

    2. Wait… wut?

    3. Just in case

  129. FBI Asst. Director David Bowdich: There is a possibility that this is terrorism “but we are just not sure yet.”

    =====================

    Akbar was unavailable for comment.

    1. I find that concerning. There were 3 federal aircraft over the scene within the hour, including one for signals intelligence. Do they do that for all “workplace violence”???

      1. They do if they want the funding gravy train to keep rolling.

    2. Akbar did say, off the record “It’s a trap!”.

  130. This is totally confusing now. Apparently it was a 1 male, 1 female pair both in the SUV and in the conference center, with the SUV couple perishing in a gun battle with police. That’s one hell of a double date.

    1. Boy the KTLA 5 reporter on right now looks like he can pump.

  131. Anyone have an opinion on the least-retarded coverage thus far?

    I checked CNN and blitzer made me want to hurl, and now i’ve got Bill Oreilly playing grand-inquisitor and its hardly any better. Is there someone boring and factual out there?

    1. You’re already here.

      1. That was my first thought, too.

    2. I’ve been trying to make sense of it via Twitter. A least there is a character limit involved.

  132. The heavyweight division is well-represented within the San Bernadino Probation department.

  133. Matthew Yglesias ? @mattyglesias
    Other countries must have fewer mass shootings because their conservative politicians offer thoughts and prayers more vigorously.
    3:54 PM – 2 Dec 2015

    1. We cannot afford a prayer gap!

    2. Fuck you, Sadbeard.

      1. Hey, the mentally challenged have suffered enough today.

    3. What’s that idiot’s point?

      1. I think it’s “why are they sitting around praying when they could be disarming rednecks, and little old black ladies in dangerous neighborhoods?”

      2. His point is that thoughts and prayers won’t prevent acts of gun violence, which is why we need more common-sense gun safety laws.

    4. Umm, yeah, but, umm, derp.

    5. Standing on dead bodies is much more effective in preventing mass shootings, everyone knows this

    6. When you have nothing else left, you tweet.

    7. that must be the leftist talking point of the day, taking shots at the thoughts and prayer people. I wonder why this was absent after the Paris attack.

        1. If that’s for real, I’m kind of speechless at how repellent it is.

          1. That can’t be for real. How can that already be their narrative?

            The fact that we think it can be real is telling.

            1. After gun control it’s been the talking point on the left all day now.

            2. No cover on their home page yet, but there is this:

              The city rocked by a mass shooting that left 14 people dead Wednesday has been a hotbed of hate.

              With pics of some Nazi paraphernalia.

              Proof yet again that the Daily News has become by a wide margin the most tasteless paper in NY.

        2. WOW. Just fucking wow. After Paris, people were using the colors of the French flag on their Derpbook pictures AND offering up those apparently platitudinous thoughts adn prayers.

        3. People are telling me they heard on the police scanner “[inaudible] Arabic.”

          I also heard one of the shooters was a woman, but now someone is saying they’re correcting that.

          This is why I don’t bother with Ace.

          Or the Daily News, of course. How dare they put Lindsey Graham on the same level of influence as Rand Paul!

      1. I’m actually beginning to take seriously all the talk about JournoList 2.0.

        OTOH, this could simply be a case of “monkey see, monkey do.”

        1. If they did it once, why wouldn’t they do it again? The exposing of the original JL was a freak accident.

  134. OT: Seems like a nice family man

    A Saudi Arabian man allegedly cursed an Aspen taxi driver and exposed himself to the man before spilling cocaine on him during a ride to the St. Regis Hotel last weekend, according to court documents.

    1. It sucks to be 923rd in line to the throne.

      1. Woo-hoo!

    2. I understand the cocaine and the cursing but why do they invariably need to whip out their dong? The cab driver is a 60 year old man. What’s he gonna do with some Saudi dudes penis?

      1. why do they invariably need to whip out their dong

        This is a question you should know the answer to.

        We whip out our dongs because our dongs are awesome, and they are awesome because they are our dongs (which are awesome).

        1. You’re using the royal ‘we’. Are you sure that applies in this context?

          1. To emphasize my point I whipped out my dong and smacked it against the screen a few times.

              1. Your dong envy is okay, though.

            1. At least you didn’t try to recharge it.

            2. That your version of the nicest place on the internet?

        2. My dong is splendid, but I understand concepts such as context and timing. Agreed though, our dongs are awesome.

          1. our dongs are awesome.

            I’ll shake to that.

              1. Sword-fight!

                1. Also gay.

                  1. Q, no need to gay bash. Dong love!

                    1. I do it just fine by myself, I don’t need your help.

      2. What’s he gonna do with some Saudi dudes penis?

        Sodomize the uncircumcised heathen?

        Hey a Saudi Royal wannabe can dream, right?

        1. If he’s an American, he’s probably circumcised too.

          1. By the heathen, I was referring to the Saudi. But that was sort of fucked up with the ‘Saudi dudes penis’ thing.

      3. Apparently, Lady B doesn’t know that dicks and cocaine go together like peanut butter and golden retrievers.

      4. If he wants some coke he’d better do whatever the Saudi dude tells him to do with his penis…

    3. “Wait, I haven’t exhausted all the stereotypes about rich Saudis yet – can you get me a hooker to slap around?”

    4. He was on vacation.

    5. He was trying to tip!

      1. just the tip?

  135. When did ‘going postal’ turn into ‘workplace violence’? I missed the transition.

  136. I know that this is sort of inappropriate but I wish that gabby Giffords would shut the fuck up. It blows that she got shot and I do feel bad for her but now:

    Fuck off slaver

    1. it’s not inappropriate at all. Her yapping and being asked to yap are totally predictable. Never mind that this event has none of hte hallmarks of the typical shooting and more closely resembles a coordinated terrorist attack. That’s conjecture but who gets into a gunfight with law enforcement and expects to survive? The man and woman give indication of a willingness to die for whatever their cause was. Or cops decided to shoot first and ask later.

    2. Hey, the brain damaged can still be assholes. And, power-seeking ones, at that.

      Don’t you go downing your fellings, now, Ed.

      1. “Hey, the brain damaged can still be assholes. And, power-seeking ones, at that.”

        I bleeve we have one in the white house just now!

  137. Via NBC

    Multiple sources from multiple agencies identified one of the three attackers at the resource center to NBC News as Syed Farook.

    1. Typical white tea bagger name! Ah hah!

  138. NBC News ?@NBCNews 8m8 minutes ago
    JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID’d as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook’s brother: Sources http://nbcnews.to/1jzGUyd

    1. pwnd

    2. JUST AS WE THOUGHT = Mexicans

      1. FLAT BREAD MASSACRE!

    3. What about the woman killed? Or is Syed a woman’s name? Or have I cis-something’d something by assuming gender and destiny and annoyed a philosophy professor somewhere?

      1. I also saw it spelled “Sayeed” and I know that is a man’s name.

        1. Yeah. I heard the press conference and the sheriff was saying that a man and a woman were confirmed killed in a shootout.

        2. I watched Lost too.

          1. Oh right. Actually I had a co-worker in mind.

    4. I feel really bad for one of my Arabic coworkers. He’s not even muslim but has the most middle eastern name out there, and that’s after he shortens it so us Americans can pronounce it.

      1. Eh. When my ancestors came to America, they changed their name so it wouldn’t sound Jewish

        (Which didn’t actually work)

      2. I have a relative who was a fairly prominent neurosurgeon in the NYC area practicing under the name “Fred Noban”. His first and last names were both several syllables longer.

    5. So, that’s close enough to “Farouk Said” to indicate that the po-po had his name from right about the outset of this whole thing. Which means either he got recognized by the people he was shooting, he was on a watch list (which might explain the Federal Air Circus that was orbiting the area, again, pretty much from the outset of the shootings), or a bit of both.

      I love how the cops have been so reticent with ID’ing this guy. How hard is it to take prints from the deaders, scan them, compare them across the multitude of Fed/State databases, and get matches? Like this guy isn’t in a db somewhere. If this was a Tea Party/Sovereign citizen type, we’d have known his myspace, 1st grade teacher, and high school crushes by now. Instead, we get this mincing bullshit.

      1. What do you know about the federal air circus? I made the mistake of mentioning something about it on the internet, and now I have reporters messaging me wanting me to go on record. No thanks. Among other things, I’m not even qualified.

        1. Yes, flesh this out. I assume they are always flying around?

          Also, reporters, I will go on the record to talk about my dong, which I am very qualified to discuss.

          1. No, they are not. DHS had a Pilatus orbiting within an hour of the shooting, which is primarily for signals intelligence.

            1. I suspect, but can’t confirm, that they happened to have one nearby at March AFB in Riverside County. Anyway, I can let the cat out of the bag, because the reporter published without me.

              5th paragraph:
              http://www.vice.com/read/multi…..s-shooting

              1. So, DHS had the crew and plane ready to go?

                1. So Cal. We’re near the “bad” border.

        2. From either here or arfcom, someone had a post to one of those 24 hour flightaware, flight tracking pages. Anyway, orbiting over SB from about the time of the shooting, perhaps a bit later, was a DHS Pilatus PC-12, another DHS plane, and a few Cessnas from what I was told was a common FBI front company (OHP or something like that.) They were doing orbits for hours.

          My WAG is that one or more was doing SIGINT stuff, off one or more of the suspect’s phones. Spoof a cell tower, track the phone, see who it called, etc… The Army uses KingAirs for that sort of thing, but a PC-12 is doughty enough with that big ol turboprop to carry a lot of crap too. Like radio receivers and such.

          You explain otherwise how the cops tracked down their SUV that fast. Evidently, they drove to one of the suspect’s houses, saw the black SUV (different than the Yukon we were told to look for) with people in it acting suspiciously, tried to pull it over, and hilarity ensued. Especially for that asian kid who cell-phone video’d it: doesn’t he know what incoming fire sounds like? Damn near lost his head at about 0:11 on that video.

          1. I posted from FR24. It was fairly obvious to me.

            I got a tip about the front companies; they’re almost always in VA because they’re too fucking lazy to forward mail from Alaska or somewhere awesome.

          2. Are you interested in talking to a liberty friendly reporter?
            (anonymously, obviously…)

            1. I wouldn’t mind, Playa , but I really don’t know anything. I just make WAGs and SWAGs from experience and what I’ve read.

              I’d point the reporter to people that actually know shit. Somebody in SB Cty is probably pissed at the fed’s fucking up the case—or seagulling it up—and is probably willing to talk.

              Workplace violence? Really? This guy rolled with two accomplices (or more?) with pipe bombs, off of something that was said to him at work?

              The reporter’s got to be able to find somebody who’s tired of bullshitting the official narrative on this.

        3. From either here or arfcom, someone had a post to one of those 24 hour flightaware, flight tracking pages. Anyway, orbiting over SB from about the time of the shooting, perhaps a bit later, was a DHS Pilatus PC-12, another DHS plane, and a few Cessnas from what I was told was a common FBI front company (OHP or something like that.) They were doing orbits for hours.

          My WAG is that one or more was doing SIGINT stuff, off one or more of the suspect’s phones. Spoof a cell tower, track the phone, see who it called, etc… The Army uses KingAirs for that sort of thing, but a PC-12 is doughty enough with that big ol turboprop to carry a lot of crap too. Like radio receivers and such.

          You explain otherwise how the cops tracked down their SUV that fast. Evidently, they drove to one of the suspect’s houses, saw the black SUV (different than the Yukon we were told to look for) with people in it acting suspiciously, tried to pull it over, and hilarity ensued. Especially for that asian kid who cell-phone video’d it: doesn’t he know what incoming fire sounds like? Damn near lost his head at about 0:11 on that video.

      2. Real world finger print data bases don’t work like the ones on TV. It’s about a six month process.

        1. I have family that are fingerprint techs, and from what they’ve told me, it’s nowhere near that long a process. I mean, how could it be? Trial isn’t that backlogged. And yes, you’re using the prints to prove that the shithead in custody is the shithead you like for the crime, rather than trying to see who that shithead is in the universe of known shitheads, but still. 6 months, really?

          I can’t imagine that with OCR as good as it is, and with fingerprints being comparatively easy to digitize, that it should take very long to interrogate a database with a set of state vectors and arrive at, say, 6 point matches. Not good enough for court, obviously, but more than enough to be a good jump off for further investigation.

  139. Obama is pissed and will try tricks to vacuum bullet nozzles… to make the weakest humans on earth the socialist get hard cocks and vaginas for a split second While he creates an army of super drone gunners who have to eat mescaline and advanced chemzos to go home after killing Obama short grasses on Koran plains.

  140. Supposedly, here’s a photo of one of the gunmen:

    photo

    1. So, 2 Muslim males and 2 stupid white women then?

    2. Willy Wonka?! Well, he does keep slaves.

      1. And you know damn well he was fucking the Oompa Loompas.

  141. I saw some whiny leftist on facebook claim that the United States LEADS THE WORLD in gun violence.

    http://bit.ly/1zKNqVI

    1. “I saw some whiny leftist on facebook claim that the United States LEADS THE WORLD in gun violence.”

      He never heard of Joseph Stalin.

      1. They define “the world” as a small handful of Western Countries.

    2. But without guns how would they control our lives?

    3. It should ease their minds that the socialists in Venezuala outperform us.

    4. The guy is so full of shit. Honduras is numero uno. Brazil, a country which has some of the strictest gun control laws on the planet ( how strict? It’s nearly impossible to legally own a firearm as an ordinary citizen, and concealed carry is impossible), is several spots ahead of the USA.

      Whiny leftist needs smacked about the head with some reality. Maybe he needs to learn to use internet search. These statistics are not a secret.

      Also, leftists are seemingly totally ignorant about demographics. I think it’s willful ignorance, but none the less.

  142. Guns in the fucking fingers of nation loving citizens solve all sorts of goddamn problems. And I don’t even like nations- even this one.

  143. Sayeed Farook, come on down!

    Sounds Irish.

    1. The IRA moved out of the UK because the gun control laws were too strict. Now they’re in the USA.

    2. Drunkenness, violence. Are these the kinds of things we associate with the Irish?

      1. There are more Irish stereotypes we could discuss but let’s not. I want to discourage a certain someone from whipping it out and engaging in self abuse.

        1. whipping it out and engaging in self abuse love. Jeepers creepers.

        2. You disappoint me. All this Minnesota talk, and I assumed you were a Scandinavian like me. And then you drop the McCoy bomb on me. My only option is to tuck and roll out the window without finishing.

          1. You guys are REALLY white.

      2. Hey, I may be drunk and violent, but what was that third thing?

    3. No! Mexican, it was the Mexican drug cartel!

  144. The victims were public health bureaucrats?

    1. Not sure what they did. I originally heard environmental health then just health. Some sort of government committee. They probably pissed off this couple somehow. I suppose it could be random but just seems like a really strange random target.

    2. I said it before: Anti-vaxxers. The Mujennyhideen.

    3. Yes, but also some bad things happened.

    4. Dept of environmental health. Looking at their website, they handle things like restaurant and tattoo parlor inspections, plus handle some housing regs, like making sure houses have sewage hookups, that sort of thing.

      1. Public health bureaucrats it is.

  145. A reuters correspondent has been hot-miked now on their live-internet feed for like 20 minutes, and he has no idea.

    http://www.reuters.com/

    I find his banter with the helicopter pilot more interesting than anything the cable news people have been talking about.

      1. He was talking to cops about stuff they might want to go take pictures of instead of the shot-up SUV, but they were like, “What, the house? that will get dull, like this isn’t dull enough.” There was something of a lockdown on discussing the Farouk thing apparently … NBC broke the seal on that. They apparently want time to track down who he knows before the media goes nuts w/ his name.

        1. “Like this isn’t dull enough”. At least they have some self-awareness. Thanks.

  146. REMOVE ALL THE GODDAMN GUNS! TAKE THE GUNS! sez the pearl lined kitten ass-sucking Salonista and Raw Story boy. SEIZE THE GUNS sez the brain-addled Gawker mold. SEIZE THE GUNS scribbles the leftist CNN agitprop bullshitters… SEIZE SEIZE… while their private holes weep orgasms over a man who utilizes armies of super guns to kill children…. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH…. ice cream bars writing like cool fucks but the ice melted on THAT fucking little wooden stick a long fucking time ago, socialist ignorati.

  147. From a CNN feed:
    “? The suspects were armed with long guns, Burguan told reporters. “These were people that came prepared. ? They were armed with long guns, not hand guns,” he told reporters.”

    Prepared with ‘long guns’ for a shooting inside a building? Someone is confused.

    1. WHAT the GODDAMN FUCK is a motherfucking ‘long gun’? I have heard this crap and WHAT THE FUCK is this shit?
      LONG guns seem to be the puke shat from the mouths of all those pentecostal security revering folk.

      Fuck jesus christ, can some BITCH explain what a team of ‘long-gunners’ are?

      1. That long gun, it’s a racist gun. It is.

      2. Long gun is actually, believe it or not, a perfectly valid term in this case. Long gun is a generic term for any rifle, shotgun or black powder weapon. In other words, not a handgun.

        1. “Long gun is actually, believe it or not, a perfectly valid term in this case. Long gun is a generic term for any rifle, shotgun or black powder weapon. In other words, not a handgun.”

          Exactly. What is used for field or long-range shooting. Not what is used by someone ‘preparing’ for shooting in a building.
          The Garand was a wonderful weapon for the European plains; the Kalishnikov better in the jungles of SE Asia.

      3. It’s what they say when they aren’t sure if they are rifles or shotguns.

  148. The world is not civilized any longer. It is the map of an angry field. A spreading hatred infecting the streets and towns everywhere. Times of old are now new. And the middle aged angst grows stronger but infected differently. The anger of the modern should be respected by the bright or the lock on calamity will be spun.

  149. Spotted on NPR:

    To anyone who supports our current gun laws…. too bad it wasn’t you.

    1. Paris loves to erase weapons. And all the shitty people they let in don’t give a single shit about gun bans. Praise GODDAMN LAWS!!!!!!!!!\

    2. That’s fine. I support our current gun laws– to a point. I don’t support the myriad restrictions and licensing and magazine limits. But those types of comments don’t even offend me any more. I own a gun. I carry a gun. If this shit happens around me, I’m not going down cowering under a desk praying for a weapon jam or a reload… or the strange arbitrary benevolence of deranged killers passing over some and shooting others.

    3. “To anyone who supports our current gun laws…. too bad it wasn’t you.”

      I don’t get it,

      1. If you support the gun laws, you should have been killed in the shooting. Because you deserve to die.

        1. While I’m sure I know who he’s talking about, his comment is ambiguous: California has very restrictive gun laws, so he could be calling for gun controllers to die.

          1. That would be the unintentionally funny take, but it was on NPR, so I’m strongly doubting it. Strongly. With Strength. Strenuously doubting.

            1. Oh, definitely. Just making fun him.

              1. FUCK, insert “of” in there!

          2. It can definitely be read both ways.

            1. He should have said “If you support our lax gun law……”. Then it would have made more sense.

    4. Says the person who wants more laws to be enforced at gun point.

    5. To anyone who supports our current gun laws…. too bad it wasn’t you.

      You know who else…

    6. Holy shit…I never saw the comment, and it was still too much retardedness for me. You could just scroll down the comments and check off each one that had unbelievably bad assumptions about the shooting.

      And don’t gt me started on that half-wit trying to spin how good collectivism is by never accepting what collectivism does.

      How do you stand it there, Otis???

      1. The comments are terrible. Sad really.

        1. Yeah, it’s “Holy Shit!”-level in there. And these people believe they’re great thinkers??

          They are practically lining up to be slaves to the government.

          Screw ’em.

    7. ” freedumb sings chateau margaux ? 4 hours ago

      the nra and gop claim that unlimited gun capitalism would prevent mass shootings and crime

      im still waiting

      10
      ?
      Share ?”

      1. Since we’ve never had “unlimited gun capitalism,” whatever the hell that is, xe has been waiting forever.

      2. unlimited gun capitalism

        dibs on the band name

    8. “I hate violence so much I wish violence on you!”

      I propose a new term for a leftwing retard: blueneck.

  150. Public records show a person named Syed R. Farook was employed by the San Bernardino County Health department as an environmental health specialist, but it was not clear if that was the same person involved in the shooting.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/l…..story.html

    1. “it was not clear if that was the same person involved in the shooting.”

      If he’s not I really feel for him, his life is going to be messed up.

      1. Prolly not getting invited to the Christmas party next year.

        1. No Christmas cards from the Sevo family! No siree!

        2. Holiday party. Jeez.

          1. I know. Assholes. It’s 12/2

      2. There are times where you just need to swallow your pride, change your name, and move to a new town. If this guy is alive and not the shooter this is one of those times.

    2. What even in the fuck is an environmental health specialist? Is that something that is even necessary?

      1. That’s what they said before they fired him last week.

        1. This. His name wasn’t Tony by any chance?

      2. I can never decide which religion I despise the most: Islam or Environmentalism. Well, this time there’s no need to draw a distinction.

      3. Looking at the website, probably a restaurant health inspector.

      4. Sell tamales out of the trunk of your car and you’ll find out. Agents of the state who carry thermometers rather than guns. Donald Sutherland portrayed one sympathetically in a 1970s remake of a classic film.

      5. You know, there seems to be a push towards giving jobs really fancy titles (e.g., a hospital cafeteria worker is now a “dietary aide”). I know they call hospital janitors “environmental technicians”, so it wouldn’t surprise me if “environmental health specialist” was a head janitor or something.

        Just a hunch.

      6. They inspect pools and restaurants. It’s a dull job, I had to interview them.

        1. How do you inspect a pool? Check for shit and Twix bars?

          1. I think it was a Baby Ruth, but pretty much yeah, checking for fecal matter, pH balance that sort of thing. They also make sure that backyard pools are fenced in, and that public pools have no running signs posted.

  151. So I guess Reason Jeason turned this place into Twitter.

    1. There goes the neighborhood!

      1. Your fucking lovely stories about all those deep manifestations of the internal workings of your svelte loving exquisite meanderings…. would NOT work tonight… limited notgkc…..

        1. Wow, if it gets to the point where even AC doesn’t like my exquisite meanderings I must be overdoing it.

          Goodnight all, but in all seriousness, I *will* do some praying.

          1. you are fucking crazy. I love you like a million univosaurusi.

  152. In the event of catastrophico rest assured the scribes will limit the minds to a hammer upside the head amount of characters… And I pay for this shit…. ? really? Serial killers own my goddamn letters? For real? Jesus fucking Christ…

  153. Look, it’s the kingpin of the teabagger Mexican drug cartel:

    Syed Farook, Mexican Space Lord Mother Mother

    1. Looks like they got the picture from “Facbeook” whatever the fuck that is.

    2. What I don’t understand is that if this is true, why was the Daily Beats able to knock on the home and visit his family?

      Surely the police/FBI would have visited his house first, not some website, if it was the actual guy?

      1. Hmmm, now they seem to have updated it

        “The Daily Beast contacted Farooq’s sister, Saira Khan, by phone on Wednesday shortly after the shooting. She said the media was jumping to conclusions on identifying the suspect and said that her brother was at work. Khan said she would try to get in touch with her brother and pass along his contact information.”

    3. So who was the female suspect killed?

      1. /not a libertarian

        Ok, ok, I’m playing it safe here!

      2. Not sure. I’m hearing it was Farook and his brother.

        1. Yeah, I’m reading that everywhere… it’s like the female suspect they repeatedly talked about during the press conference has just *poof* disappeared.

  154. Anyone notice Trump’s Tweet compared to Hillary? I ask. Who is more logical?

    Also, omg, watching PIX 11. I can’t believe what I was hearing. First, they back up Obama’s claims about the rise in these shootings – something about the same number of days – and then I saw an upcoming report about the rise of gun sales much to the disapproving nodding heads. Not ONE mention that this was probably a terrorist attack leaving the idea of attaching gun control completely irrelevant.

    Jesus are they retarded?

    What. The. Fuck?

    1. I don’t think it was terrorist though.

      Why would they shoot up a specific place like that and apparently ignore the rest of the building?

      While the shooters may or may not be muslim, it seems like they had a specific grudge against a certain group in that building, the ones at that party, not anyone else.

      1. Yeh. Last I heard they were just going in the ‘terrorist’ direction.

        The fact there was a female involved is interesting too.

      2. The government considers anti-government violence to be the worst form of terrorism.

  155. I just think this fucking place is complicated like a goddamn pile of scared angels. they quiver like comets pooping millions of years of gucking ice. Ancient space ass shitting time from passing planet turds.

  156. So, are the lefties celebrating yet now that they’re sure it was a white rat bagging tea fucker?

    1. He was a married, government employee and a homeowner?

      Ban home-ownership and marriages.

        1. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let’s not get carried away here.

      1. And government employees? Ok, 1 out of 3 ain’t bad, I’m considering betting onboard.

  157. NO ONE JUMP TO ANY CONCLUSIONS. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM BEATING UP MUSLIMS. PLEASE HUG ONE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY’RE PROBABLY VERY WORRIED OR SCARED.

    1. Do muslims actually ever get beaten up? It always seems to be Sikhs that bear the brunt, since for some reason there is this idea that muslims wear turbans.

      1. Hence my inelegant sarcasm.

      2. Well there was that ignorant meathead in Fredericksburg Virginia calling all muslims terrorists at that town hall meeting where the peasant citizen had to beg for permission to put up a new church because we live in a free fucking country. But no one was physically injured.

      3. Which is really, really stupid.

        Those guys are carrying knives, people. C’mon.

      4. Mounted Sikh warriors will beat up Muslims in India when they get out of hand.

    2. You know, not to get all finger-snap applause on y’all… I’m still actually withholding judgement.

      This could just be some crazy motherfuckers like columbine kids, who just happened have middle-eastern names.

      That’s why I’m perplexed as to the disappearance of the dead female suspect. Seems like more data needs to come in here before we join enlightened Europe in going full WWIII on isis.

      1. That’s why I’m gonna go check on my hockey pool, and call it a night. By morning I reckon things may be clearer.

    3. FUUKINNG BEETAGGERS WHYCOME NO WANT DEM GUN LAWZ?

  158. Farook, who also went by his middle name, Raheel, was a business taxes representative for the California State Board of Equalization

    Umm, is that a real thing? I mean, a board of equalization?

    1. They do tax stuff for the state of CA. They’re an incredible PITA to deal with compared to other similar agencies, from my former coworkers who used to do SALT.

    2. Apparently a tax thing. If this is the guy he’s like double evil.

    3. So FOE’s first comment was the correct one?

    4. “Umm, is that a real thing? I mean, a board of equalization?”

      If you do business in CA, you’d have no doubt.
      My company is attending a trade show in LA later this year; a clerk spent a good bit of time today on the phone and screen locating the form required, since sales taxes are now localized and sales made one block from another have a different rate to the “Board of Equalization”.
      Much hilarity at lunch from those who don’t pay for it directly; regulations don’t add any cost, right?

  159. life is shiny and like a banana. Fucking shit rots so goddamn quick. And people grab the banana from the table and actually comment on how fucking quick a banana goes and even as they peel the brown banana they remark, ‘this banana would be awesome in a banana bread, bitch’. And they EAT the banana bread with the banana in it. And not give a single goddamn thought about the original living banana before it was killed and cooked and enjoyed and shat from the human butt.

    Life is a banana, man. Not a single motherfucking fucker appreciates it.

  160. life is shiny and like a banana. Fucking shit rots so goddamn quick. And people grab the banana from the table and actually comment on how fucking quick a banana goes and even as they peel the brown banana they remark, ‘this banana would be awesome in a banana bread, bitch’. And they EAT the banana bread with the banana in it. And not give a single goddamn thought about the original living banana before it was killed and cooked and enjoyed and shat from the human butt.

    Life is a banana, man. Not a single motherfucking fucker appreciates it.

  161. life is shiny and like a banana. Fucking shit rots so goddamn quick. And people grab the banana from the table and actually comment on how fucking quick a banana goes and even as they peel the brown banana they remark, ‘this banana would be awesome in a banana bread, bitch’. And they EAT the banana bread with the banana in it. And not give a single goddamn thought about the original living banana before it was killed and cooked and enjoyed and shat from the human butt.

    Life is a banana, man. Not a single motherfucking fucker appreciates it.

  162. I forgot my manners:

    May the despicable subhuman yahoos responsible for this burn in hell. My shallow, worthless condolences to the families of those whose lives’ intersected unfortunately with these demented jackoff fucksticks.

    1. 100% agreed.

  163. Odds that these guys—maybe not the guy who worked for the County, if indeed it was him, but maybe his shithead brother—were known to Homeland Security already, and on a watch list. Which if so, did fuck and all to stop them from bombmaking and killing 14 or more innocent people?

    I’m going to guess better than even.

  164. Fuck my goddamn motherfuck holes.. I never intended to post all that repeat crap on this thread.. . not eve sure how the FUCK that shit even accrues.

  165. Isn’t it unfortunate what happened in California?

    It’s a shame the loss of life.

    Too bad that there’s absolutely nothing we can do but just throw up our hands and go “Oh Well”.

    Perhaps we can do something about mental health.

    1. Why are you such a racist?

    2. Of course there are things we can do. But they would violate the rights of innocent people.

    3. Do we have any evidence of any mental health problems? Or is this just mocking Shackford’s circular reasoning from yesterday?

    4. “Isn’t it unfortunate what happened in California?’

      Californians?

    5. This tragedy demands money be thrown into the money fires!

      1. Money fires don’t start themselves.

    6. Alice Bowie|12.2.15 @ 10:27PM|#
      “Perhaps we can do something about mental health.”

      You can. Please have yourself committed.

  166. Entire evening of death.
    And nothing known.
    14 fallen and not a single
    shadow offered.

  167. I’ll put here what I wrote after the PP shooting last week:

    “We need to disarm good people because bad people do bad things.”

    /Obama

    1. good people don’t own guns to harm good people.
      evil people own guns to kill cities and towns lined with good people
      and good people own guns to kill evil people who own guns to kill them

  168. The blizzard of death falls on a community….
    and n.o.t.h.i.n.g. is revealed even within the hours….

    1. I would have liked this one better as haiku

      The Blizzard of Death
      Falls on a community
      Nothing is revealed

  169. Alright, Live Leak, where are the photos?

  170. Huh, NYT wants this to be workplace violence.

    1. Maybe it’ll turn out to be workplace violence with Islamic seasoning?

      1. That’s what I think it looks like

      2. Can I get that with a falafel, please?

  171. I’m looking at you Agile.

    1. eat my slippery pooper, fbi

  172. So the latest is that a bomb was found at the site of the shooting (per CNN, per ATF). That would seem to point to a planned attack, and away from a spontaneous attack that arose out of a dispute at this party.

    1. I believe someone above linked to a source claiming one of the shooters had earlier checked to see if a specific person was going to be at the party/event. If true, it was definitely planned. Also interesting that the shooters appeared to have an escape plan, though it was unsuccessful.

  173. btw everyone, I’m going to hell for this comment, but I just can’t help myself, so apologies in advance: Trigger warning: Gallows humour!

    If the suspect’s name turns out to be correct, could we accurately describe this even as a Farook Assault?

      1. You’re too kind. No, really. You’re too kind.

        I’ve never felt more love in a room than I have right here tonight.

    1. Delayed reaction LOL. Good job.

    2. At least you feel guilty for your gallows humor, I’ve been indulging in it all evening.

      For example, they say the guy worked in the health department as an inspector.

      Did he suddenly start displaying any strange symptoms like this health inspector?

  174. I’m regretting my choice of handle today. Anyways, Coincidentally, I’m volunteering at a special needs school today and imagining some lunatic coming here to mow down these kids makes me feel physically ill. I realize all the “retard” jokes made here aren’t maliciously intended, but I wish people would find a new insult for people like PB or Amsoc. “Retards” often have no capability to rationally assess reality, whereas Slavers do, but willingly refuse to do so. They are disgusting pigs, not people that lack agency.

    1. As someone who uses the phrase here and there, I agree with you. And in my defense, I’ve previously noted that calling some of these sick fucks retards is an insult to the developmentally disabled.

    2. I think of it as a term divorced from the actually disabled.

      also Fallout 4 is Problematic

      1. Idiot, moron and imbecile have also moved from their original meanings and I have no problem with using them to describe fools. I don’t think “retard” is quite as clearly removed from its previous usage, however. I’m not on a crusade over it, but the word still exists on the fuzzy edges of language.

        1. FWIW I don’t use that word myself and I agree with your analysis and interestingly it was the same like 30 years ago when I was little.

          1. Yeesh – 40 years ago when I was little.

    3. I don’t use “retard” as an insult because it is currently reserved for those with mental disabilities. And I would never want to insult mentally disabled people by drawing a comparison between them and those socialist trolls you mentioned.

      However, I was just wondering the other day if it’s not inevitable that “retard” will become a new standard insult in the next few decades. After all, “moron” and “idiot” used to be medical terms for those with mental disabilities.

      1. I’ve met a few mentally challenged people over the years that want to be as self sufficient as possible with their disabilities. So they try to get jobs, even if no one would think any less of them if they stayed on the state teat.

        So, calling statists like AmSoc a retard is insulting to the actual mentally retarded people out there.

      2. Starting with the DSM 5, the term “mental retardation” has been replaced by “intellectual disability.”

        People will continue to try and stamp out use of the “R” word, but I think that battle is lost. And I imagine that one day the fact that mental retardation was once a real diagnosis will be unknown to most who say “retard.”

        http://www.r-word.org

        I don’t say the “R” word because I work with the developmentally disabled. But I really stopped saying it after I was a teacher just because it sounds rude and juvenile and fails to amuse me. But, I try to be sanguine about its use by other people.

        1. I mean “after I was a teenager.” I’ve never been a teacher.

    4. I’m going to keep using the term, because it has the exact meaning I intend it to. I would never call somebody with intellectual disabilities a retard.

      You call somebody a retard when they’re being retarded.

      If we’re dropping credentials, a quick google of my name would show that I am very involved with the special olympics.

  175. what the fuck? is going on here, man? Lives lost and the pianos play the ancient dead and agile swims in the clouds of sharp dimensions f;licked on pioanoaisa….

  176. Well, on a brighter note.. ill just leave this here

    1. Although 45 years is a little steep.

      1. His behavior is flagrant, appalling and isolated,’ said Police Chief Mark Magaw

        I might buy 2 out of 3

        1. This is followed by “His actions are among the worst I’ve seen as Chief of Police and that will be taken into account when I make a decision about his employment.”

          So…he’s not automatically fired and disqualified from police work because of his conviction?

          1. Maybe he’s eligible to work from inside prison? I got nothin’ else.

      2. The death penalty frequently imposed for “contempt of cop” is ostensibly worse…

        Disclaimer: *depends on the prison/your results may vary*

  177. everything is smash doo.. under a light winter snow, man…..

  178. reality can be managed on the minds of millions.

  179. What I am interested in is… in your apartment, boys and girls…. how CAN you be managed and manipulated?
    How can any of us PROVE what just happened tonight?

    DID tonight even happen?

  180. So called “Reason Magazine” with its sympathy for Islamic terror hasn’t mentioned the name of one of the perps. The fellow’s name is FAROOQ SAEED! Is this shooter amish? Islam has been America’s enemy since the dawn of our Republic. Thomas Jefferson had to build a navy to stop them. A proposed constitutional amendment to ban Islam.

    Americans are not French. They are not antisemites (“Reason” magazine excepted). I will not speak of America as I did France.

    Nuke Mecca!

    “There’s no need to fear. Underzog is here.”

    1. Fuck off, shithead.

      1. You don’t like the Amish either, huh?

    2. So called “Reason Magazine” with its sympathy for Islamic terror hasn’t mentioned the name of one of the perps.

      Look guys. I don’t feel well, and took a benzo to fall asleep. Do I really have to drink? Because I don’t think that’s a good idea.

      1. I already had my glass of Calvados so I think I’m covered. I think you can substitute Benzos but “SWALLOW!” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.

      2. Would you like to share some benzos? I could stand to drink less…

    3. Jesus Christ, You’ve been told off multiple times you pathetic fucking pathetic tapeworm. Nobody here is buying what you’re selling. Go peddle your bullshit about the Jews to the Huffington Post you’ll probably get more bites.

  181. Our entire reality of existence is formed by cable televison and now the internet BUT can this be created for a group of people? Can world news be manipulated to recreated a visceral reality? Because. remember? you are connecting with me right now…

    Always rest assured that agile cyborg will be the dude he is… or.. can I? Can any of our voices be penetrated by evil? Even on Reason. And there is no guarantee Reason is not evil…

    1. “Our” reality, paleface? I quit watching government-licensed telescreens back when Kung Fu ended. Try it. The mind clears, books recover their meaning, things make sense.

  182. Update (6:50 p.m. Pacific): Multiple law enforcement sources have confirmed to the Los Angeles Times the name of the male suspect killed by police. His name is apparently Syed Farook. They investigate:

    Two law enforcement sources identified one of the deceased suspects as Syed Farook, an American citizen.

    Public records show a person named Syed R. Farook was employed by the San Bernardino County Health department as an environmental health specialist, but it was not clear if that was the same person involved in the shooting.

    The identity of the second person killed by police was not immediately known.

    Employees from the County’s health department were having a party or event in the Center complex where the shooting happened.

    Not a big fan of reading the updates, eh? πŸ™‚

    1. And he was a very religious Muslim. it appears to be another Fort Hood.

      1. Perhaps. But at this point we don’t know what his motivation was. It could be that this was just another disgruntled public sector worker going postal. More details needed before conclusion can be drawn. Especially since this could wind up being a catalyst for some drastic action.

      2. it appears to be another Fort Hood.

        You mean more workplace violence?!

      1. Nah, I don’t believe it. Teabagger, that’s what his dad meant.

      2. Farook said he hasn’t seen his son in some time.

        “He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”

        Psst…you’re not helping!

        1. Funny! Seriously funny!

        2. Oh he’s helping… he’s helping a lot…

        3. The NYT can maybe fax him over some talking points to help with the workplace violence narrative.

        4. Just for the record, the guy had recently divorced his wife–and apparently the son was on the wife’s side.

          He may have been seriously pissed off at his son even before this.

          In that statement, he’s basically throwing his son under the bus.

    2. Aha! Government employees partying on the job, eh? My new uninformed guess is the soldiers were the Salvation Army, standing at Armageddon against the Demon Rum, by dad!

  183. Fuck this shit- every single GODDAMN work i have ever posted into the minds and vaginas and poopers of my loving Reason friends, is me. Period.

    agile cyborg might do fucking drugs and shit but he loves his reason loves. and forever..

  184. Fuck this shit- every single GODDAMN work i have ever posted into the minds and vaginas and poopers of my loving Reason friends, is me. Period.

    agile cyborg might do fucking drugs and shit but he loves his reason loves. and forever..

    1. Reason posters with vaginas? Please….

  185. Fuck this shit- every single GODDAMN work i have ever posted into the minds and vaginas and poopers of my loving Reason friends, is me. Period.

    agile cyborg might do fucking drugs and shit but he loves his reason loves. and forever..

      1. How’d I do that?

        I (heart) you Agile. I hate squirrels, who triple post some people while stealing other posts.

        1. Juvie nuclear… butch bomb.. fucking kill switch nigga

  186. Let’s ask the guy going back in time to kill baby hitler if he can also go further back and uninvent gunpowder

    1. Right, things were much better when the most effective weapons in the world required massive physical strength and/or years of elite training in one’s youth to use. The Dark Ages were truly a golden era of equality and tolerance.

      1. Col. Colt, right.

  187. You know what we should do?

    We should show up at the funeral of each and every victim with our NRA t-shirts and machine guns to show the world that we don’t give a fuck about other people dying.

    !!! Just stay the FUCK AWAY FROM MY GUN !!!

    We don’t give a FUCK about your daughter, son, mother, bitch, or whatever. That’s your Touch Shit.

    I’m keeping my GUN and FUCK YOU !!!!

    1. Have you ever considered that every victim of gun violence is not as stupid as you are? I bet you can’t do that, can you?

      1. It’s like PB-level tedium.

        1. I don’t know, it seems more unhinged than PB.

    2. Yeah it’s about guns. Islam has nothing to do with it.

      Jesus you are a moron Alice. Can people like you be any more worthless in dealing with this problem?

    3. Why do you assume that people who own guns and/or NRA members don’t care about victims of gun violence? That seems like a very odd assumption to make.

    4. “I’m keeping my GUN and FUCK YOU !!!!”

      Sounds fair enough.. next !

      1. Seems reasonable since MY GUN didn’t kill anyone…

    5. Every AK-47 owned by a law abiding citizen is one less AK-47 for the criminals and terrorists.

    6. Is that the best you’ve got? At least put some wit in it next time.

    7. If only those victims had their NRA t-shirts on and machine guns when the Farooq Assault began.

      1. *facepalm*

        Oh silly me, no one ever attacks those kinds of events. It’s such a rare thing for a gun show or an NRA convention to get shot up.

        1. You mean it actually HAS happened in the past? Besides the terrists, how many casualties?

    8. I’m telling ya !!!

      If Charlton Heston was alive today, He’d be there just like in the Colorado shooting.

      It’s times like this that those use-less liberal statist gun-snatchers need to be put in there place.

      Dear American Citizen

      FUCK YOU !!!
      We are keeping our guns.
      FUCK YOU and FUCK the people being killed. It’s not our problem.

      Regards,
      Responsible Gun owners of America

      1. You’re still utterly failing to convince me that my ownership of an inanimate object is responding nsible for the murder of people I’ve never met.

        1. It’s quantum in nature…

      2. You realize the “cold dead hands” comment was not made in Colorado, or in the immediate aftermath of Columbine, right?

        Nah, you probably don’t.

        1. My mistake. I thought the City of Columbine was in Colorado.

          1. It is.

            But Heston was in North Carolina, one year after Columbine, when he made that comment.

            1. Sorry, did I ruin your narrative with factual information? My bad.

              1. But in “Bowling for Columbine,” the statement appeared to come right after the shooting!

                1. But in “Bowling for Columbine,” the statement appeared to come right after the shooting!

                  The “My Dead Cold Hands” and the Columbine statement happened at different times.

                  Heston actually went to the town where the Columbine shooting happened just a few days afterwards and made an in-sensitive NRA Speech. The “My Dead Cold Hands” happened months afterwards.

                  But don’t believe me, google it. I’m just a troll.

            2. That comment was old in 1984, when in Red Dawn the commie paratrooper stepped on a ‘murrican wrist and pried the gun out of his cold, dead fingers–then headed off for the list of registered gun owners. I kinda miss the commies, ever since George Holy War Bush got us into jihads with the death-worshippers.

          2. Columbine isn’t a city, you moron, it’s a high school.

      3. Why don’t you debate the arguments people are actually making instead of your fabricated ones? Oh, you can’t. Too fucking brainwashed.

      4. See? Really, you need to have an evaluation and likely be committed.

      5. Fuck you, slaver.

      6. You don’t troll like a dude anymore. This is embarrassing.

      7. Syria should outlaw guns. ISIS would disappear overnight.

    9. Sure.

      Just as soon as you disarm the police.

      In the meantime, we should go to every funeral for every cop victim wearing shirts that say:
      “JUST DO AS YOU’RE TOLD AND YOU WON’T GET HURT!!!!”

      Really, that’s he answer: peace, people.

      1. The police are a progressive’s best friend. All that government power doesn’t enforce itself.

    10. Better yet, I think the NRA should mail everyone in the country a gun, so when situations like this happen, people won’t be defenseless sitting ducks.

    11. Did you miss mass murders during 20th century committed by governments on their own subjects? We are at 100th anniversary of WWI, a pointless slaughter of 16 million men conduct by government and its cronies. About 16 people were killed in San Berdu today. Perspective.

    12. You know what we should do?

      We should show up at the funeral of each and every victim with our hijab and Qu’ran to show the world that we don’t give a fuck about other people dying.

      !!! Just stay the FUCK AWAY FROM MY FUNDAMENTALIST INTERPRETATION OF ISLAM!!!

      We don’t give a FUCK about your daughter, son, mother, bitch, or whatever. That’s your Touch [sic] Shit.

      I’m keeping my ISLAM and FUCK YOU !!!!

      What? Why is the 1st Amendment any more of a sacred cow than the 2nd?

      1. They wouldn’t dare violate my Safe Space? to say that…

          1. The prosecution rests…

            1. “Bully Proof Windows…”
              “Troll Safe Doors…”

              “You can call me a pussy, but I won’t hear that in my Safe Space”

              1. Seriously, you should have an evaluation. Anyone your age still acting that that has ‘issues’.
                Oh, and fuck off.

        1. Good thinking, citizen! Now you’re seeing in Trumpovision!

        2. Naughty. Naughty. Hazel. =D

      2. The word “free” appears in both amendments. To conservatives and mohammedans, “free exercise” means shooting up abortion clinics and forcing pregnant women to reproduce. To socialists, communists and mohammedans, a “free state” is a prohibitionist caliphate where women are mutilated, bought and sold and stoned to death. We reeeealy don?t expect a lot of libertarian votes out of folks who cannot understand that free means uncoerced.

    13. The NRA has literally not killed anyone. Like, literally.

      1. I know, it’s so annoying. Why can’t they just kill some kids or puppies already to give us leverage to get what we want? It’s so not fair. Hmmph /prog

  188. when the doors fall off their hinges
    and we scramble to find the new walls
    and the ways to feed our children
    when the roads have been bent.
    Americans don’t think of this.
    They imagine nuclear holocuast like a game
    because our suburban lives which includes all
    of. you.
    is weak.
    If bombs fell toward us tomorrow?
    IF PUTIN drank 4 bottles of vodka and did Heroine and woke up at 4 in the morning
    and tossed an affirmative….

    … and the waves of nukes passed liked interconnected fingers and the scapes of a million villages fell with their children
    how do you expect we recover from this shit?

    1. What we did would not be out main concern.

    2. Rad-X.. and a Pip-boy?

      1. Rad-X? What kind of pussy shit is that? Real men mix buffout and jet and snort that shit through the barrel of their scary assault weapon!

        1. Try that in The Glow and see how long you last. The BoS is not your friend.

          1. I’ve managed to invade and clear out a couple of caves with toxic rad, without using any meds, but i’m early in the game. I have to perfect my furniture making skills before I can proceed.

            1. Yeah, sorry, old school Fallout player. That’s a reference to FO1 where the BoS are massive dicks. And if you couldn’t guess from the name, you need a bunch of Rad-X to get through The Glow.

    3. I’d pay to watch Putin drink a gallon of vodka and add morphine. Anyone who drinks two gallons of water in a sitting stands a 50% chance of going into fatal shock from electrolyte imbalance. Also, ballistic missiles were vulnerable to countermeasures when JFK was Prez.

  189. CAIR already condemned the shooting. Frontrunning it?

    1. so all this shit gets twisted into old crunk bunks
      and the fucking shovels stab at the deep mountains, man.
      when old deep studs look into the suns
      the pyramid muscles stand out in a way that even the Nazis could
      not evoke….
      I don’t like patriotism
      I don’t give a single fuck about this nationlistic shit. Not a single turgid sperm blip into my goddamn eyeball about your country all of you millions and millions of dummies…
      But, I like family. and family is above nation. And me and my nuclear boys in the old ohio woods will join up to avenge any attack on the American backside….

      believe me, no intelligent service is capable of finding us. no NSA. no FBI. it is too deep and it is powerful. and it is NOT against the nature of those who demand compliance. I won’t. and neither will they.

    2. so all this shit gets twisted into old crunk bunks
      and the fucking shovels stab at the deep mountains, man.
      when old deep studs look into the suns
      the pyramid muscles stand out in a way that even the Nazis could
      not evoke….
      I don’t like patriotism
      I don’t give a single fuck about this nationlistic shit. Not a single turgid sperm blip into my goddamn eyeball about your country all of you millions and millions of dummies…
      But, I like family. and family is above nation. And me and my nuclear boys in the old ohio woods will join up to avenge any attack on the American backside….

      believe me, no intelligent service is capable of finding us. no NSA. no FBI. it is too deep and it is powerful. and it is NOT against the nature of those who demand compliance. I won’t. and neither will they.

    3. CAIR is having a press conference and just offered their thoughts and prayers for the victims. I’m sure Twitter will blow up any minute mocking them for their generic platitudes and demand more action from CAIR.

  190. Jesus, the bs I’ve seen from leftist hacks this evening is mind blowing. There are some seriously depraved people out there. It’s all fine and well for them to criticize conservatives for freaking out about Muslims, but the bodies today hadn’t even hit the floor and they’re trumpeting with thinly veiled glee, hoping the shooters were the “right people” to fit their narrative. Lefties are all about the feels until the see a potential to cash in dead bodies for political clout.

    1. Blame Obama.

      He led the night off with a call for gun control before he even knew what the facts were.

      A lot of those progressives are just following their President’s lead.

      And the progressives have no shame–in no small part because Obama doesn’t either.

      It’s not that Obama doesn’t know how to backpedal. It’s that the thought has never even entered his mind.

      I wish I could dignify his office with accusation that his first response to every crisis is to sell our rights short, but the truth is that the first thing he thinks about is not letting any crises go to waste.

      1. I called it after his re-election, which was of course after the historical ass beating the Dems took in the 2010 midterms . Remember all of the speculation ‘Can Obama do a Clinton and swing to the right’. I said that he cannot do it and so will not because he’s a hardcore leftist ideologue. And then the Dems took another historical level ass beating in the 2014 mid terms. Did this ideologue lean anything finally? No. God, it feels so good to be right in a bad sort of way.

        1. He’s certainly not in danger of his legacy being that of one not committed to the glorious cause of advancing “forward” no matter the cost.

          1. Damn, that was sloppy. Too many negatives in that sentence.

    2. Hillary is already announcing that GUN CONTROL will be a MAJOR ISSUE of her campaign! Good luck with that.

      1. She clearly learned nothing from her husband.

        1. Her husband who got reelected for a second term and would have easily won a third if he had been constitutionally allowed to run?

          1. Yep, the same husband that told the Democrats to leave guns the fuck alone because they get their asses handed to them whenever they touch the subject.

          2. Ummm, no. Remember the dot com bubble? The incumbent rarely wins in a recession.

            1. It’s your memory that should be questioned, not mine. The recession didn’t start until 2001.

              BTW, the last incumbent president to run for reelection during a recession was Harry Truman in 1948, and he won.

              1. Um, it started earlier than that. And the Clinton brand was tainted after the Lewinsky scandal. By the mid 2000’s, George Bush was reelected on the strength of the rebounding economy.

                I had full time jobs from 2002-2007. I haven’t come close to that since.

              2. BTW, the last incumbent president to run for reelection during a recession was Harry Truman in 1948, and he won.

                You forgot Barack Obama.

      2. She knows her audience

      3. “Hillary is already announcing that GUN CONTROL will be a MAJOR ISSUE of her campaign! Good luck with that.”

        See, I assumed she would blame it all on a YouTube video, but what difference does it make at this point?

      4. Gee, just went I thought Hillary was a shoe-in…

        Maybe she wants to stick her snatch in the NRA’s hornets nest and see what happens.

        Go, Hillary, go.

      5. Coming days after an historic number of gun purchases. Good luck, Hills.

    3. Leftist minds think they are powerfulmescal… and yet, I laugh at their vice screams…..
      Rest assured right wings are a complete delve town flat scrump crimp but Leftists are lonely orphans who haven’t fucking read a single thread of Russell whom i love

    4. Leftist minds think they are powerfulmescal… and yet, I laugh at their vice screams…..
      Rest assured right wings are a complete delve town flat scrump crimp but Leftists are lonely orphans who haven’t fucking read a single thread of Russell whom i love

    5. ATTENTION K-MART SHOPPERS! BLOODY-SHIRT BLUE-LIGHT SPECIALS ON AISLE 6 FOR LEFTIES!

  191. HUH, NPR is either slow on the updates, or they’re still sticking to the man-and-woman died in the shootout.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/th…..dino-calif

    1. Wait, what *did* happen, then?

      1. I just realized how many person-hours will be consumed as people try to answer that question.

        But I meant how many people are dead, and what are the sexes of each of them?

    2. Boy, I’m confused now. CNN saying that a shootout occurred with a man and woman in a black SUV, but not clear if that is same one reported on earlier. Still two suspects dead???

  192. England bombing the shit outta er’thang!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…..Syria.html

    1. If there is one thing Syria needed, it was more ruins.

      1. ISIS keeps blowing up the old ones.

        1. They don’t make ruins like they used to.
          Was in palmyra 20 years ago.

  193. I understand horrible things are and have occurred on the world of this thing called us and you
    but agile will offer a million gods of love to the lost
    and I want to jam my massive fat cock in the mouths of those murdered and then stab them with huge side kicks until their necks explode…
    but bitches… a million of us die every FUCKING day and i must get fucked up as this shit is now…

    1. Pro tip: Pull your cock out of their mouths before you start kicking them in the jaw. For your safety.

      1. Ideas, newsletters, etc. etc. etc.

        1. Are you implying that you didn’t know that already?

  194. Can we at least agree that ‘murca does NOT need weaponized women and orphans? Can we at least agree on that?

    1. Hmmm.. What’s in it for us?

    2. You’d think libertarians would realize the threat from disgruntled orphans with access to scary weapons. And don’t get me started by those women, who can trust them?

      1. *about those

      1. If I get a hold of those squirrels, well, I know a piece of outdoor machinery that’s hungry.

        1. You and me both… Those goddamn rodents ate every single fruit off of my Roma tomato plants, then chewed through a few of the limbs just to be dickheads.

    3. Who is going to handle the dynamite in the monocle mines without using widows and orphans? You can’t expect us to do it, that shit is dangerous.

  195. i fucking hate this grey square crap we talk into…
    like my mouth cock sploodges cock crap into this space like fucking horrible dummy and
    not a single fucking bridge ever cared about this crap
    bridges are awesome babes
    i used to walk across a bridge when i was Fucking fourteen but
    on the side of the bridge on a small pipe because Mike Presley when he was 16 insisted that this fuck did so and I did..

    Mike is dead from a heart attack. Billy told me a couple months ago. I have been thinking about this for a while and I have been quite sad very secretly.

    In the late 80’s I would walk to Libbey High School in gravel alleys behind all the old houses filled with people like me now… like back then, we walked young but not now.. I am getting to be an old dragon and my wings are sad in a way that time was distracted with, man. I am sexy and my dick is sweet but my wings are filled with drugs and space cunts and a comet boy or two… my drones are my balls milking my cock so it can cum on the face of the holy spirit girls on the weekends. but I fuck the sweetest milf any man had ever fucked ever. I fuck her sweet vagina every fucking week and on some weeks she sucks honey spewing cock while I plaster her rivers with my space jelly….fucking sweet male’male’female fuck

  196. I’m really not as insensitive as my jokes make me look.

    At least I hope I’m not.

    1. Did you make a joke about the gunmen dressed in black because they were going to a funeral?

      1. Well look who decided to show up.

        1. I’ve had a really long day, Caitlyn.

          1. You haven’t fully participated until you agree that I’m beautiful.

      2. Anyway, here’s an example of a better way to honor the victims.

        1. Maybe that can balance out my, ah, less than reverent humor.

    2. Dark humor is natural.

      It’s probably an adaptive, evolutionary thing.

      If my ancestors hadn’t had it, I might not have evolved into the strapping young neanderthal I am today!

  197. I realized all my drugs and booze and sex and shit was like goddamn bullshit because under 35 is where the bucks are and shit and all… because that’s what this place gets all excited about and fuck but I understand.. young dragons are pretty. old dragons eat pussy and wolves. Young dragons stand on top of mountains and fight comets.

    I fucking just realized agile is old tonight even tho I am not. And will never be. FUCK atomic decay you horrible people. I fucking will never die ever. if you imagine the fog and the winds…the street lights try not to matter but they do as the heart wracks its tunnels and cries. and if you imagine now as bricks and stones you will realize that all music is the distinctive prison of every position of now, past and present.

  198. I realized all my drugs and booze and sex and shit was like goddamn bullshit because under 35 is where the bucks are and shit and all… because that’s what this place gets all excited about and fuck but I understand.. young dragons are pretty. old dragons eat pussy and wolves. Young dragons stand on top of mountains and fight comets.

    I fucking just realized agile is old tonight even tho I am not. And will never be. FUCK atomic decay you horrible people. I fucking will never die ever. if you imagine the fog and the winds…the street lights try not to matter but they do as the heart wracks its tunnels and cries. and if you imagine now as bricks and stones you will realize that all music is the distinctive prison of every position of now, past and present.

    1. yes, well, I AM on cocaine and an assortment of booze but I distincltlyuye remember pushing this shit button once… does NOT matter… the title miles above is enough to make christians and jews of us all.. but not me.. I will pray the space on you all and comet hearts with tiny space octopuses on the fucking terrified families… jesus christ.

      1. You saw what cocaine did to Billy Mays.

        Stay away from that stuff. Too expensive, not good for the heart or the PeePee.

  199. I have this feeling that the leftist are crying huge barrels of salty tears this evening. Please be diligent in collecting them so that we may drown these assholes in them.

    The left really starting to ask for real trouble, and I for one will not mourn the ass kicking that they have coming, and are assuredly going to receive:

    Burn the witches!

  200. 1300 comments? Agile: Lets break some records tonight.

    1. These threads are embarrassing.

    2. It’s all for naught unless a subpoena comes down.

      1. Let’s start dropping some (rhetorical) bombs!

  201. Yeah, I don’t think that bureaucrats who flip out and try to shoot a bunch of people are a reason why I should be disarmed. Fuck Obama for even floating that idea.

    -jcr

  202. We can expect fireworks if Syed Farook (if he is indeed one of the shooters) had even email contact with ISIS. This is probably a sequel to the Fort Hood incident.

    Either way, he was radicalized. But how? He had a cushy government job and moved into a condo with his family.

    It’s possible that he’s our first Muslim mass shooter (not associated with any terrorist groups), but the professional, calculated nature of this shooting suggest that it was all planned.

    1. DC Sniper?

      Yeah, yeah, we’re supposed to call him by his non-muslim name, but still…

    2. What of the Chattanooga shitheads? Or the guy who shot up the El AL counter in LA?

      There’ve been plenty of Muslim want to be mass murderers in this country; the media’s just done yeoman work at downplaying what they’ve tried to do, and who’s inspired them.

      Fuck, CNN’s really going with “a holiday party gone bad?” OTOH, I totally buy that this guy and his cell were radicalized, and were probably going to thump something else, but were goaded to do this ahead of schedule. Maybe the people there knew he was up to no good, maybe the FBI was typically hamfisted with their surveillance and tipped him off, or maybe his horoscope told him to.

    3. Yup. He just happened to have pipe bombs sitting around the house. They were originally intended to combat the mole infestation in his yard.

      1. Have you ever fought molerats? They can burrow now, and sometimes a minefield is the best way to clear them out.

  203. Hey folks. Sorry about being late to the party. What happened ?

    1. Some A-rab shot up the place.

      1. Tell him something he can’t guess.

    2. Too soon ?

    3. Mr. Burns blocked the sun.

      1. The local stations was showing Who Shot Mr Burns the other day, and Part 1 ends with Krusty showing up at the last minute saying he had been out of town, what did he miss, so my brain jumped there.

          1. You’re a man of many links and few words.

            1. You said drinks right. =)

    4. A bunch of progressive fascist are jumping to conclusions that will bite them in the ass at about 11am et tomorrow.

      1. So basically, and in plain language various political factions are hoping that this tragedy fits their narrative. I Love Humanity. I Love it so much. =)

        1. Never let a tragedy go to waste.

        2. I think think its more that various political factions are hoping this tragedy doesn’t fit into their political enemy’s narrative at this point.

  204. CNN Headline =

    14 Dead at Holiday Party

    like it was a bad batch of egg-nog

    They are going to play this ‘amplify the fuzzy stuff and the uncertainty’ angles for as long as they can.

    1. “like it was a bad batch of egg-nog”

      Dockers twill hardest hit

      1. When will they stop with the war on Christmas!

  205. It’s interesting how the dialogue changed immediately when the shooters were identified as Arabs.

    Before:

    Liberals: We need to crack down on guns!
    Conservatives/Libertarians: What about our Constitutional rights?
    Liberals: Rights don’t matter — think of the children!

    After:

    Conservatives: We need to crack down on Muslims!
    Liberals/Libertarians: What about the Constitution?
    Conservatives: Rights don’t matter — think of the children!

    1. Aside from Trump, I don’t think there’s a widespread conservative desire to “crack down on Muslims”.. a la Japanese Internment Camps of the 1940s

      There *is* a widespread conservative desire to *more fully prosecute the war against ISIS*, but i’m not sure that’s quite the same thing you’re citing, particularly vis a vis the constitution.

      By contrast, liberals want to throw the second amendment down the toilet, whether or not there is domestic-terrorism or not. If we traveled 24 hours backward in time to before this thing even happened, their attitude would be no different than now.

      What’s remarkable about the gun control people… is their unwillingness to accept either that shootings have been in steady decline for 20 years, despite widespread expansion of weapon-availability…. and also, the fact that Spree Killings Like This (as opposed to their fictitious, “Mass Shootings” citation, 70% of which are 0-1 people killed) *rarely* happen.

      If their assertions about the social-violence-promotion of guns were true, these Mass Killings should be far far more frequent. Instead, they’re a statistical anomaly.

      1. Porn is the answer for Islamist mass shootings. The last time I was involved with a shooting was when I was watching Sasha Grey on the hub and mass shot in one of the old lady’s socks, which I quickly discarded into the blue recycling bin, with her being none the wiser. After that, I had no desire to go to a Christmas party at a tard hospital and lay waste to the attendees. Its air proof logic.

        1. Porn is the conduit through which the “Libertarian Moment” shall be be birthed.

          ALL HAIL THE GREAT VAGINA OF LIBERTY !!!!

          1. It will be the worlds first libertarian sock baby. There’s a single tear making its way over the crest of my cheek as I type this.

      2. Can we at least just stop importing more Muslims?

        1. I have no problem with importing more muslim refugees on principle. I’ve known a number of Muslim refugees who’s attitude towards Muslim extremists is basically ‘Fuck, I came here to get away from those assholes.’

          But there a bunch of politicians that insist that all unassimaleted Muslims crap Cinnamon scented Unicorns and prop up ponzi schemes retirement programs.

          1. It would also be nice if said politicians said “We understand your concern, but it’s the right thing to do.” And not “YOU BIGOTS FEAR TODDLERS AND WIDOWS! EAT A DICK, RETHUGLICAN”

          2. Ruin my idea why dontcha? How are customs officials supposed to distinguish the graduation of degrees between plain old regular muslims and their more consistent extremist varieties? Bad enough we have conservatives here already. How about we send the Saudis two antichoice conservatives for every muslim extremist they Red Rover over?

        2. That’s an idea. How about replacing the individual income tax with a protective tariff on imported muslins, I mean, mohammedan faithful.

      3. Given that Trump has been leading the GOP presidential race for months, that’s a pretty big “aside from”.

        1. You’re free to keep claiming “all Conservatives think we need Muslim Registration, Concentration Camps, etc.”

          Even though that idea AFAIK didn’t even exist before ~2 weeks ago or so.

          …and also claim that ~2-3 week-old idea* (which somehow managed to never become reality in the Conservative-Adminstrative horror of GW Bushitler) is somehow “equivalent” with the universally-held anti-second amendment posture on the left that has existed for most of the last century.

          Go right ahead. I’m sure some people will find it very clever.

      4. Aside from Trump, I don’t think there’s a widespread conservative desire to “crack down on Muslims”.. a la Japanese Internment Camps of the 1940s

        Only California Japanese were sent to internment camps. There really were Japanese spies among them. I am not sure if this shows up in the movie “Unbroken”, but the book describes a series of encounters Louis Zamperini had with a Japanese track and field coach engaged in espionage.

        1. ” There really were Japanese spies among them’

          Yes, and there ‘really were’ (and still are) commies in Washington. It doesn’t mean the Red Scare was justified.

          I think its also worth pointing out, that this idea of ’rounding up the Wrong’uns’ and throwing them in camps?…

          …isn’t a particularly conservative idea at its root, nor were the opponents to the idea at the time coming from the left.

        2. This Japanese-American internment nutmeg annoys me. Which is better? Being drafted and forced to invade Iwo Jima under machine gun fire or being relocated to Iowa for stint at subsistence farming.

          1. Depends whether you prefer being a warrior on the battlefield or a prisoner in a safe cell.

            The members of the 442nd chose to fight:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=442nd

      5. Nah, more like this…

        My first reaction, feel sorry for the victims.

        My second reaction, the liberals are going to go into full gun-grabbing mode. Read the NYT. Yeah, they had their op-ed pieces cocked and loaded, and were just waiting for the next opportunity.

        My next reaction, after the shooters are identified: the conservatives are going to go batshit over this. Read the Fox News comments. Yeah, full batshit Muslim-hating mode. Like a Two-Minute Hate, but going on for hours.

        My final mixed reaction:

        – Feel bad for the victims.
        – Feel amused that the progs got their whole gun-grabbing narrative flipped.
        – Feel like a lot of those Fox News commenters are outright fascists.

        1. It’s an absolute mystery why anyone would hate Muslims after yet another incident of Muslims mass-murdering innocents. It’s not like there’s any sort of pattern or unified ideology — that’s just crazy talk.

        2. Obi-Wan said to “trust your feelings,” so you’re prolly doing the right thing.

        3. First reaction, good.

          Second reaction, ‘going to go into’? Seriously?

          Third reaction, so it’s wrong to be angry at the shooters–but okay to feel bad for the victims……k……….?

          Final ‘mixed reaction’, shows clear lack of understanding and a real need to discover the meaning of ‘fascism’.

    2. PERFECT! You have just encapsulated American politics.

      Assholes to the left of me, dickheads to my right, here I am…

        1. Yes, that is exactly the scene I think of when I hear that song. Absolutely nothing else.

  206. What in the fuck????

    “A public records search indicates that Syed Raheel Farook’s mother lives at the Redlands home raided by the police on Wednesday.

    However, it is Syed Rizwan Farook, as an environmental health specialist by the San Bernardino County Health department, who the police named Wednesday night as the shooting suspect.

    Adding to the confusion is that the two Syed R. Farooks are apparently brothers.”

    1. It’s probably like Smith for “those people”.

      1. Or maybe like “Jim Bob” and “Billy Bob”.

    2. Waitaminnit. Econazi mohammedan berserker gunmen? What was that line in The Thing? “You’ve gotta be … me!”

  207. Also, it was 82 degrees here today. Suck my balls.

    1. The Shit Show never changes.

      1. The Shit Show, The Shit show never changes.

  208. Well, here is some news you can’t use.

    San Bernardino shooting suspect traveled to Saudi Arabia

    They and other colleagues said Farook was a devout Muslim, but rarely discussed religion at work.

    “He never struck me as a fanatic, he never struck me as suspicious,” said Griselda Reisinger, who worked with Farook before leaving the agency in May.

    ====================

    There is something about Saudi Arabia I can’t quite put my finger on.

    1. I’m honestly surprised that the LA Times published that.

      1. Troll or real?

        “DecentDiscourse
        Wow, the hate crimes against Muslims unfortunately are going to soar. My only theory which makes sense to me is this was touched off by someone insulting Muslims or Arabs at the party. They were prepared with all of the guns because of the general anti-Muslim atmosphere in the US. If I were Muslim, I would be armed to the teeth as well. ..

        1. Real. Rationalization is a powerful force. The universe is guided by it.

        2. You’re an insomniac aren’t you?

          1. Why, yes, but what does that have to do… oh you meant GILMORE

          2. Gilmore lives in NY, it is the city that never sleeps after all.

            1. San Fran I thought. Well, according to Grace Slick and her band.

              1. Grace Slick converted to Mohammedanism? Granted she has admitted to imperfections, I’m still willing to bet folding green stamps that story is bullshit.

      2. Me too. Isn’t Mecca in Saudi Arabia?

  209. Congratulations mammals, almost 1400 comments and not a single mention of artisinal mayo.

      1. I had non-deep-dish pizza last night. Does that count?

        1. NO!!!

          *shakes slice of Lou Malnati’s*

    1. We’re past 1400 now – what’s the record for most comments?

      1. We’ve gone over 1,000 before, but I’ve never seen 2,000. Let’s do this!

        1. Well, now that we know it’s Muslims behind it, the whole Syrian refugee thing comes into play. So kooks like Hihn can obsessively attack rational people about open borders. That should be worth another 400 comments right there. Then make it about Trump. 200 more easy.

  210. Now that they’ve learned that the shooters are a devout Muslim and a wife he picked up in Saudi Arabia, the next task for the MSM is to create a narrative. Several possibilities:

    1) The target was a meeting of co-workers – workplace violence.

    2) Shooter and victims were health inspectors:
    Health inspector – Restaurant inspection – LA-area food truck inspection – Libertarian activist

    3) Wife just had a baby – post-partum depression.

    1. I already informed the gamergate faction of the patriarchy that they would receive their fair share as well.

      1. Oh, man, this is fo sho the fault of the most recent CoD: Black Ops game. I’m a little surprised some enterprising young attorney hasn’t launched a wrongful death or some sort of class action against Treyarch yet.

    2. Here’s what will happen. There will be (if there haven’t already been) calls for stricter gun laws in California (!?), complaints that absent legal constraints that hamstring domestic surveillance this could’ve been prevented, and, just for giggles, at least one person will suggest that the shooters were driven to this by anti-Muslim prejudice.

    3. I’ll bet she was a down payment on the 70 virgins! Does she get the same number of male virgins in heaven?

  211. Just in case anyone somehow hasn’t managed to figure it out yet, the democrats are finished.

    Bye-bye Hilary. You’ll have plenty of time on your hands to learn how to operate your remote control now.

    1. And you base this assertion on what? I would like to believe you but…

      1. I don’t see how she can win even a slightly purple state if she keeps talking about gun control.

        1. I agree with you. At length and with links.

          Hillary and Saudi

    2. Counterpoint: Obama won two terms in a row. What about the aggregate behavior of the American voting public would lead you to believe they’d suddenly start to give a shit about things like liberty, ethics, or even rational thought?

        1. I hear you, and I hope you’re right, but if I’ve learned anything from thirty years as a fan of the Washington Redskins it’s that: a.) things get shittier over time, and b.) they do so in despite any efforts to the contrary.

  212. Now that Nick has aired the explanation video, I’m confident all force-initiating looters of the christian and communist persuasions will set aside their invective and line up for copies of debating team primers and rulebooks. While this is happening, might it not be an interesting exercise to look at the nature of prior coercive interactions between these “disturbed” persons and their societal milieu. How many had prior arrests for victimless activity? What proportion are believers in invisible spirit beings undetectable by the methods of physics and engineering? What proportion occur on areas known to contain disarmed individuals? This sort of information would be more useful than the usual apocrypha, hearsay and curbside speculation so copiously supplied in the looter media. In other words, let’s see some more charts and graphs mixed in with the waving of bloody shirts.

    1. Feel The FORCE Hank. It is in you and around you. It binds the universe together.

    2. Reason has it for you. Increase your donation.

      Reason – Gun Death Stats by year – graphs

      Numbers.

  213. Ok, since we’re pushing for 2000+ comments on this article, I’ll throw some gas on the fire………

    Clearly this terrorist attack on our nation means we must immediately SHUT DOWN THE BORDER, ACCEPT NO SYRIAN REFUGEES, as they are all young male radical terrorists, and ELECT DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENT. So he can kick some ass.

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    1. I’m happy for you.

    2. The shoe is on the other foot.

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