U.S. Preparing for War in Syria, Students Care Deeply About Offensive Statues of Woodrow Wilson
Priorities, shmiorities.


Well, it was bound to happen eventually: activist college students have finally set their sights on Woodrow Wilson. The 28th president of the United States is a favorite punching bag of libertarians, and for good reason: he involved the nation in a pointless war, segregated federal offices, jailed dissenters, created the Federal Reserve, and launched the modern cult of the presidency.
Students at Princeton—where Wilson served as president before running for governor of New Jersey—have finally turned on him, according to Fox News:
Students staged a protest Wednesday inside the office of Princeton University's president, demanding the school remove the name of former school president and U.S. President Woodrow Wilson from programs and buildings over what they said was his racist legacy.
Princeton President Christopher Eisgruber told the students he agreed with them that Wilson was racist and that the university needs to acknowledge that, according to a video posted to YouTube. But a school spokesman said the president also told students it is important to weigh Wilson's racism, and how bad it was, with the contributions he made to the nation.
That wasn't good enough for black students, who said Wilson's spiritual presence on campus was marginalizing:
"Having to walk by buildings that (have Wilson's name), having to walk by his mural, having to live in residential colleges that didn't want our presence on campus, that's marginalizing," said Asanni York, a black junior who is majoring in public policy. "People are hurt by that. All this matters because, at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter."
The protesters also want the Ivy League university to institute cultural competency training for staff and faculty, and add a cultural space on campus dedicated to black students.
That's fair. If what matters most to students is scrubbing all references to flawed people, well, they have the right to advocate for that. That's free speech, too. And Wilson certainly deserves some negative publicity—far more than he gets from the so-called experts responsible for all those rankings of U.S. presidents, which tend to elevate Wilson to godlike status. Historians really like war, for some reason.
Speaking of war, the U.S. is heading straight into another one, guns blazing. Some of the Republican presidential candidates want American troops on the ground in Syria, and Democratic frontrunner (and, to be frank, likely President) Hillary Clinton has already adopted a platform significantly more hawkish than the current administration.
Throughout history—recent history, even—students have been some of the most reliable anti-war protesters. Where are they this time? (Indeed, where have they been for the last eight years of continued bombings in Afghanistan and Iraq?)
Students can pick whatever battles they like. But it would be great—and might even make a difference—if they were to organize against military interventionism and anti-immigrant xenophobia with as much urgency as they have against offensive Halloween costumes, problematic mascots, and Woodrow Wilson. (Even though he deserves it.)
More from Reason on Wilson here.
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"Having to walk by buildings that (have Wilson's name), having to walk by his mural, having to live in residential colleges that didn't want our presence on campus, that's marginalizing," said Asanni York, a black junior who is majoring in public policy.
Do some research before picking your school.
Isn't Princeton one of those historically white colleges?
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Given that he's a public policy/victim studies major, he'd probably be offended at any school he attends.
Majoring in public policy? I'm guessing this is one of those degree programs like Ezra Klein's political science degree, where he says the Constitution is hard to understand because it was written over a hundred years ago.
Residential colleges that used to be segregated is also something that you can't really fix unless you want to raze teh whole place to the ground. Which would be kind of an odd thing to do to a school that you are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend.
They're borrowing the money to attend and probably don't intend on paying it back.
Do some research before picking your school.
By being so stupid/lazy, he actually justifies the stereotype Wilson would have given him .
I hate this victimhood mentality... Living in historically segregated residences, walking past statues of people who would have hated seeing you there; these are a slap in the face of segregationists! Revel in your victory over these assholes, don't cringe in fear from their bronzed gaze! Why do you give them so much power over you?
THIS!!
Exactly!!!!!!!!
If Woodrow Wilson is being targeted for Two Minutes Hate now, I propose we also move to repeal all the other amendments that were passed under his watch, since anything supported by a vicious racist is, by definition, motivated by white supremacist ill-intent and therefore should be rejected out of hand.
Sorry ladies, your right to vote is a legacy of systemic racism--time to give it up to ensure no more butthurt feelz.
She couldn't get into George Jefferson University.
Which is to say: they don't matter one bit. Fuck your feelz and everyone else's.
Beat me to it you son of a bitch! I'm gonna marginalize your ass.
Yep. Only you can control how you feel about something, so don't try to blame others for something that is beyond their control.
Whoops, shoulda read the comments before posting mine below
lol i fully agree
Same here.
At the end of the day, at the end of the day is still a hack thing to write.
"All this matters because, at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter."
Obviously not. In this current climate they clearly matter much more than other people's feelings, otherwise those of us telling them to grow up and learn how to deal with life wouldn't feel so marginalized and disempowered.
I wonder how many of the students protesting Wilson have ever worn a Che Guevara T-shirt?
Or used a Wilson sports product?
Or watched Castaway?
Or heard of Dennis the Menace?
Or popped a boner for Chynna Phillips?
Or for the WWE's Chyna?
I remember Chyna. I didn't eat a roast beef sandwich for a month after seeing that playboy.
Weird. That's all that I ate for a month afterwards.
Different strokes I guess!
Or Carnie Wilson, let's not forget that John posts here too.
Well child murderers are okay with them, as long as they're anti-racist.
I'm sure Che hated some race. People like him almost always do.
He reportedly hated black people (and gays).
At one of the rallies at Claremont McKenna against their president, one of the protesters was wearing a Che shirt in the picture. Difficult to take seriously to say the least.
Maybe he was a racist, maybe he wasn't. But he sure seemed to hate the HUN!
Only after he was safely reelected.
That wasn't good enough for black students, who said Wilson's spiritual presence on campus was marginalizing
As opposed to Jesus's spiritual presence, I suppose.
Just wait til they get around to noticing that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves and Abe Lincoln was a white supremacist.
And MLK was (per the modern definition) a homophobe. Or does he get a pass?
Of course he gets a pass. POCs can't be bigots.
unless they're conservative
As terrible as any of the Team Red candidates would be, at least the anti-war left would show its face again.
at least the anti-war left would show its face again
Always too little, too late, though.
Unless the Team Red candidate turned out to be Rand Paul, in which case the anti-war left would denounce him and support Clinton.
"All this matters because, at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter."
This is the best argument they can come up with? This matters because it matters? Color me underwhelmed by their intellectual heft here.
Yeah, if that's what passes for deep intellectual though at Princeton these days, I think they owe their students a refund on their tuition.
*intellectual thought* tiping iz hardz
To be fair, Princeton's previous intellectual thought went only as deep as Paul Krugman.
so if white peoples' feelings are that the Wilson name should remain, then I guess there's a standstill because all feelings matter the same, right? Yeah, right. Some people's feelings should be more equal than others, I guess.
I'm all for removing/destroying every single object that commemorates Woodrow Wilson. My grandfather did time for protesting world war one because of that son of a bitch.
In the meantime, the bridge over the Potomac should be called the Fascist Shithead Bridge, until we decide on some decent human being to name it after.
-jcr
*Wild Applause*
at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter
Indeed they do.
Request denied.
#BlackFeelingsMatter
#BlackFeelzMatter
or, perhaps, to stay current on the lingo
#POCFeelzMatter
#SnowflakeFeelzMatter
The unPC:
#AllFeelzMatter
Really unPC:
#NoFeelzMatter
it is important to weigh Wilson's racism, and how bad it was, with the contributions he made to the nation.
Contributions? That motherfucker got this country into a european war that was none of our business, and he signed the Federal Reserve act! He should be universally reviled.
-jcr
Plus Daylight Savings Time.
Yeah he sucked balls.
DST is awesome. If you're that much of a time purist you might as well be using apparent solar time. Good luck with that.
If somebody was against DST, wouldn't that imply they were unconcerned with the connection between clock time and solar time?
Not generally, though it does depend on your location as this awesome map demonstrates.
No it isn't. Or rather changing time is inconvenient and stupid. If you want your daylight biased toward the evening, then just adjust your time forward one hour and leave it. Now standardized time zones are en entirely different (and necessary) matter.
Daylight Savings Time is great. It's the switching back and forth that blows.
Wilson's economic policies created so much inflation that people's real standard of living fell back to what it was at the end of the civil war. I am not kidding.
Wilson didn't contribute anything to the nation.
I'm always amazed at how many people think he was some great president. As far as I can tell it comes down to apparent good intentions with the League of Nations. And ignoring getting involved in the worst and most pointless war ever, being a vile racist, criminalizing criticism of the government, terrible economic policies, and some other evil shit I can't think of right now, I'm sure.
I'm pretty sure it's only progs who think that. And now their own PC movement has escaped it's lair and is destroying their own heroes.
Hell you can't even justify his racism as a sort of 'well that's how things were back then', because even by the standards of the time he was a racist. Even re-segregating federal agencies that had been desegregated by his predecessors.
Wilson was a progressive and thus all progressive policies are racist and should be reviled and repealed. RIGHT?
Wilson was a progressive and thus all progressive policies are racist and should be reviled and repealed. RIGHT?
Fuck Woodrow Wilson, yo.
The only way students will protest war is if the draft is brought back.
This.
Getting rid of the draft was a true masterstroke. A country with a "professional army" has little to fear from mutinous soldiers who do not actually want to be halfway around the world getting shot at for vaguely-defined political goals (I'm seriously shocked there weren't more mutinies in Vietnam)... nor from the masses who are afraid they too could be drafted and shot at.
Yeah, they're way too self-absorbed. Gimme free shit! Cater to my hurt feelings!
War is just background noise at this point. It's also out of sight, out of mind.
Can't we replace all statues of politicians with ones of Sauron?
Or remake them out of poop?
The Legend of the Poop Swastika.
" Wilson's spiritual presence on campus was marginalizing:"
I SEE RACIST DEAD PEOPLE
problematic mascots
Nice band name.
The word problematic has become problematic.
We need to replace the use of 'problematic' with fucked-up. The more refined among us can use FUBAR.
And that's not OK.
"All this matters because, at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter."
..which is to say: exactly nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada
no one cares about your fragile little feelings, grow up, welcome to the real world
Well if you're going to rename everything with Robert Byrd's name on it, you better start now. Gonna take awhile.
And Richard B. Russell.
... And Al Gore, Sr.
Can they force Al Gore to rename himself?
And can we vote for a new name for him? Because I'm going with ManBearPig.
Given the contempt with which Americans generally hold college protesters, I'd prefer that they stick to protesting stuff I don't give a crap about.
Ferguson has come to Minneapolis...
Protesters, police have tense night outside 4th Precinct HQ
In wake of police shooting, national NAACP to lead rally in Minneapolis
So at what point should I get more serious about keeping extra water and non-perishables on hand.
You're in Minneapolis?
No but these situations seem to be happening more frequently. And of course it's just not these situations that make me ask that question. How much unrest does it take to fuck up the supply chain. I think not much. Not talking apocalyptic paranoia. Just prudent planning.
If you don't own/frequent a a convenience store/tinderbox, I wouldn't worry too much.
Progtards tend to shit in their own sandbox.
Now.
So at what point should I get more serious about keeping extra water and non-perishables on hand.
You should always have extra water and non-perishables on hand. Not just for civil unrest, but bad weather, economic catastrophe, meteor strikes, what have you.
Speaking of which, What happened to HM? Haven't seen his links in a while.
Dude Multiple violent felony convictions beat the shit out of his girlfriend. When the EMT folks were working on her in the ambulance, He started to assault them and tried pulling his beat-up girlfriend out of the vehicle. They called the cops. He assaulted the cops, went for one of their guns and was shot in the head for doing so. And just as with Michael Brown, witnesses claimed he was cuffed (but of course he wasn't). It is well known here that I hate the fucking cops, but I've got to say I hate these lying, fucking BLM assholes even more.
This.
Another example of them choosing a case to protest because of its maximum potential to divide the country. I have about decided that any case they choose to protest is one where the cops were right.
It's pretty fucking amazing. It's almost like the cops handpick which shooting they protest. The cops could like open a barrage of fire on a 5 year old holding a teddy bear and they wouldn't say shit. Some POS scumbag rapez and beats a nun, opens fire on the police and gets shot and massive protest. I don't fucking get it . Can someone explain this to me?
I guess it must just depend on the local population. The Eric Gardner deal and the 12 year old in Cleveland should have triggered massive protest. Instead its this pos, the pos in Ferguson, shit Rodney King was a POS who endangered the black neighborhood he was driving like a manic through.
To be a little fair, those cases get protested too, they just get less attention because they're not as controversial.
They do but not to this point.
Tamir Rice was the MOST controversial.
The idea is to divide people. If they said something about the case of the five year old, white people would be outraged and it wouldn't create any division. So instead they choose cases like this one and the Mike Brown case that are justified shoots of lousy assholes. They know black people are going to support it no matter what because blacks don't like cops. Choosing an asshole victim means white people will support the cops thus creating the division they want.
I have been saying for about a year now this is their MO. Glad to see other people starting to agree with me.
As you know, I like to give people a lot of the benefit of the doubt. But it is becoming very difficult to come to any other conclusion. If it happened once or twice, it might just be coincidence or things that the media happened to pick up on for whatever reason. But it really does look as if they deliberately choose the worst cases to highlight.
I'm starting to think this might be an actual plan. It is just too weird. All you have to do is tune in to Balko or any of a dozen other places that track this sort of thing to find genuinely outrageous violations of people's rights. But the national media and the professional protesters seem to glom on to these cases.
Almost as if it were designed to fire up a base that can be blinded by tribalism (race) and discredit those who would agitate for real reforms of the justice system.
Didn't they already do that in Cleveland?
I thought I did.
They choose the cases where there is a bad dude and some question about cop behavior. It is devisive, people choose sides and start screaming at each other, then marchin gin the street.
In a clear cut case everyone agrees.
They don't give a shit about the cops or the victim or anything. It is a means to an end and the end is strife, so they pick cases like this. Hand. Pick.
This has been true 100% of cases for a time now.
I still hate the cops more, but if that's how it went down, then BLM has fallen down another peg in my estimation.
They were above absolute zero on the peg scale at some point?
I don't think this scale is like Kelvins. I think this one can go arbitrarily negative.
But he was a bad boy that she could change through her love.
Plus his bad boyness made her veejayjay tingle.
Yes, and he would change just to make an exception for her, cuz she was so special. Women are stupid ( well some of them anyway.)
I didn't realize there were any black people (other than Minnesota Vikings/ T-Wolves players) in Minneapolis for cops to shoot...
Minneapolis is nearly 20% black.
that's nearly 2X the US average.
Huh, I guess it's just the rest of Minnesota that's lily white.
Yes. Statewide they're about 5%
Not so much, lots of Somalis graduating from my alma mater in small town Minnesota. A town that has basically the same population as it had 30 years ago.
Prince is 20% black.
ZINGER!
Dude Minneapolis, huge black music influence. Vikings my team.
+1 Willie and the Bees......
The good news is how cold it gets in MN. Soon they'll either go inside or get frost bitten.
The silver lining of winter. Less nighttime assholery.
My alma mater has a large outdoor fountain/commons area named after Dalton Trumbo. I somehow kept my feelings intact when walking by it.
Where I got my MA there's a Jefferson Davis statue.
No hurt feels in the years I spent on that campus. When I taught (a handed-to-me curriculum that was designed to focus on personal feelz) I can confidently say that not a single student ever said a single word, even when we met for class in the square with said statue.
I can't imagine a more artificial concoction of bullshit than students protesting a statue that's been in place over 100 years.
"These people are brainwashed, programmed to only respond in one way. No matter how much information you give them they cannot draw a sensible conclusion and so they cannot defend themselves, their families, or their country."
-Bezmenov on useful idiots
I understood this in principle but saw bunches of videos from Sweden the other day and saw it in action. Amazing. One video, which I can't find now, has a section where lots of soccer moms, grandmas, grandpas and guys dripping with metrosexual musk are standing in a crowd at a train station. They are all holding signs with 'welcome refugees', 'our country is yours', or just 'Welcome'...that kind of crap. Many of them are smiling with tears in their eyes.
The train arrives and as the muslim invaders are streaming off of the train and going down the loading platform many of them step over and aggressively spit in the faces of the Swedes holding the signs. These people are being spat upon and they don't bother holding the signs up to block the spit or even to wipe it off of their faces. They all have stunned looks on their faces, bewilderment and shock. It goes on and on and they simply can't process what is happening. They just stand there and get pelted with spit. They just can't get it. After the invaders are gone they begin to disperse and wander off aimlessly in all directions like zombies.
Truly a sight to behold.
If I find it again I will post it.
It is notable that there are a dozen stories about Scary Stuff in Sweden on anti-immigrant blogs, but its neigh impossible to find any corroborations of their claims in mainstream media.
Tho, there was this in the WaPo, only its the opposite scenario from what you describe; Danes spitting on refugees.
Not to get too conspiratorial, but there is a common complaint from those in Sweden who are concerned about mass immigration that there is pretty much a code of silence in the media and government about it.
So, who ya gonna believe?
"who ya gonna believe?"
Between the know-nothing US blogs and US left-wing Broadsheets... I'll take The Economist.
Who ya gonna believe?
Look 'em up on youtube. Google hard. DO NOT GOOGLE 'Sweden Rape Images'. After you puke you won't sleep for a week.
It's pronbably been thaken down by those who exhibit goodthink.
Screen shot the next ones you see before they disappear.
Black students show new found interest in political history. Democrats hardest hit.
I think Democrats have re-branded Wilson as a Republican.
They don't even need a rebranding
everyone knows Good=Democrat and Bad=Republican
now whether they became republican and then turned bad or were bad and then naturally became a republican is debatable, but its kinda like the chicken or the egg...
Why would they even bother casting Wilson as a Republican? First, you are assuming they would even realise he wasn't republican. And everybody knows that he lived a couple hundred years ago when they didn't speak real English anyway.
They don't have to. Remember: all the bad democrats switched parties in the 60s so something something yeah.
maybe these people really aren't all that bright.
"All this matters because, at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter." ....The protesters also want the Ivy League university to institute cultural competency training for staff and faculty, and add a cultural space on campus dedicated to black students.""
That's fair.
Fair?
....
They certainly have the right to advocate that their "Feelings" matter.
Is anyone required to listen to them? And is just laughing at their hurt-fee-fees equally Fair?
"All this matters because, at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter."
That is exactly right. Dead on the money.
The conflagration is irritating.
"black people's feelings matter"
I don't disagree.
"a portion of black students attending Princeton's feelings about a long-dead President and Leader who's policies at the University have since been generally reversed"
Now *that* I'm pretty sure does not matter.
The dissonance of "We speak with one voice when we say, 'Quit stereotyping us!'" is... irritating.
I find it utterly hilarious.
Student protests went out of vogue about a week after the draft was ended.
Yeah, all the baby-boomer narcissists used to tell us that when we were protesting apartheid. I told them to get back to me when they found a cause that wasn't directly related to them not getting shot, not getting coke or not getting laid.
We had dingleberry race-baiters like this back then too. We had a professor of african-american studies who opined in the school paper that all of the black students who were not living in the athletic dorms on south campus were living under apartheid. My black roomie and our friends had a good laugh at that one. Apparently if you don't live in segregated housing and take all of your entertainment at the black student union's Upendo Lounge you are living under apartheid. I suspected that he was not only a racist, but also an idiot. Oh, and thanks for the Af-am department Dr. Jeffries. It really did my alma mater proud.
This same proponent of "Fairness", Asanni York, was also the advocate in favor of a STASI-eque system for 'anonymous discrimination reporting'... which covered both teachers and students.
http://dailyprincetonian.com/n.....-students/
I'm getting really sick of these fascist little shit sticks. Fuck them all to death in their stupid asses. I hope they all get fuckin' Lou Gehrig's disease.
Nope, that can't backfire.
anti-immigrant xenophobia
This has a distinct whiff of proggy to it: the ritual dismissal of WrongThinkers as mentally defective.
You are a xenophobe if you have an irrational fear of all foreigners. I would venture that there are very very few xenophobes in the US.
Saying we should not import people from a part of the world that is exporting terrorists at an impressive clip, or that has a poor record of producing immigrants that assimilate into advanced societies, does not strike me as "xenophobia". It may be wrong, but its not evidence of a mental condition.
Saying we should not import people from a part of the world that is exporting terrorists at an impressive clip, or that has a poor record of producing immigrants that assimilate into advanced societies, does not strike me as "xenophobia".
I think I'd describe it as "prudent" and "reasonable".
According to Robby, its a mental condition.
Here's a link to an excerpt from "Advancing Social Justice Through Clinical Practice" discussing xenophobia:
http://books.google.com/books?.....xenophobia clinical&f=false
the ritual dismissal of WrongThinkers as mentally defective.
It's like its own kind of xenophobia.
That wasn't good enough for black students, who said Wilson's spiritual presence on campus was marginalizing
Your religious views are marginalizing.
As a materialist, I feel triggered.
For all you know he was a conservative, until he was visited by three ghosts, and Wilson was the Ghost of Progressive Past.
"Throughout history?recent history, even?students have been some of the most reliable anti-war protesters. Where are they this time? (Indeed, where have they been for the last eight years of continued bombings in Afghanistan and Iraq?)"
Where are they? College students over time have generally devolved from being externally motivated to being selfish in their desire to get what they want, and to hell with the rest of the world.
LIfe is a T-Ball game where you don't keep score and everyone wins.
It makes a difference whether you are actually being drafted (kidnapped), enslaved and shot. If volunteer yahoos can be enticed into the line of fire in response to no invasion of American soil, the result is more like evolution in action than some sort of outrage worth demonstrating against. These religious fanatics are way less appealing than the communist faithful in Vietnam.
Spiritual presence?! What are they, mediums? Ghost Whisperers without Jennifer Love Hewitt's awesome rack?
Right, their feelings matter as much as anyone else's, which is "not at all." Fuck off, you sensitive little snowflakes.
"Ooooh, booga-booga, I am the revenant spirit of Woodrow Wilson, and I come to put the country into foreign wars, to take over the economy, and to...to...oh, I see you went ahead without me. Well, maybe I'll haunt the administration building or something..."
Student protesters were, are and likely always will be self-absorbed little shits. The student anti-war protests of the past were less anti-war and more anti-them being sent to fight. These students are in no danger of being sent to war so it is not a subject they are passionate about, especially since the wrong party is not in charge of foreign policy. Deal with it.
Wilson deserves it.
But... Seriously... If you dislike the guy so much, why did you enroll at Princeton to begin with?
Historians really like war, from some reason.
Two other things they really like are themselves (Wilson was a history professor before he was president of Princeton) and, to the point of infatuation, the Democratic party. The main reason Wilson was always in the top 5 presidents on those lists when I was a kid is that he was seen as the John the Baptist to FDR's Jesus Christ, with the League of Nations a holy herald of the U.N. to come and Wilson's war socialism looking forward to the New Deal. His palpable racism, not just a personal quirk but a number of harmful retrograde government policies, was ignored for a long time, but I notice he's been slipping down the lists these past twenty years.
I notice he's been slipping down the lists these past twenty years.
Well they've got to make room for JFK (a president whose most notable accomplishment was getting shot in the head), Bill Clinton, and of course Chocolate Jesus himself on the list.
a president whose most notable accomplishment was getting shot in the head
C'mon, the guy almost brought about WWIII and initiated a nuclear winter. That's gotta count for something!
And he did lay the initial groundwork for our involvement in Vietnam.
I thought his rise on the list was for boinking Marilyn Monroe. If not, it should have been.
We were in Viet Nam prior to JFK. He did raise the stakes.
Historians like big events and power and wars offer both. I remember watching one of these lists on History Channel and Dolores Kearns Goodwin was explain the rationale behind ranking the presidents. It basically came down to the ones who expanded the powers and role of the Presidency was judged the greater President. I could not help thinking that by that standard the first president who declared himself absolute dictator and made it stick would be the greatest of all.
"Having to walk by buildings that (have Wilson's name), having to walk by his mural, having to live in residential colleges that didn't want our presence on campus, that's marginalizing," said Asanni York, a black junior who is majoring in public policy.
Hey, dickhead. You do realize a black man was welcome through the gates 27 years before any women were? Your male privilege is gonna look shitty when the first feminist SJW starts scrolling through her history of Princeton. How are you gonna feel then, asshole?
This generation is becoming a lost cause. I only hope Charlie Sheen spent a lot of days road-tripping to America's colleges...condom-free.
#EndingTheFedMatters
Combining econ talk with Twitter. I approve if it gets people under 35 interested in why their dollar sucks.
Historians really like war, for some reason.
Wars provide a huge amount of historical drama that makes for great reading.
As an armchair historian, this, I admit, makes me worse than Hitler.
And academic historians do not like war. The quickest way to ensure you will never get tenure is to study wars, kings and diplomacy. Academic historians are all about everything but war and only studying acceptable groups. That means white men are no longer a part of history other than to talk about their evil effects on "marginalized groups". White men exist in academic history like the forms exist in Plato's cave. You just see their effects.
White men exist in academic history like the forms exist in Plato's cave. You just see their effects.
Jesus Christ John, you're hilarious. Academic history courses still actively teach about white males, you paranoid nutter. I must have just imagined all those courses on early modern Europe, the World Wars or American 19th century industrial development.
Those courses either do t exist anymore or are no longer required. And to the extent they exist they are studied through the lens of marginalized groups as in things like the industrial revulution and its effect on gender roles and so forth.
I am not paranoid. You just think academic history is the same as it was in 1960. It's not. I don't know why you think it is. It's okay you don't know but can you try to be less arrogant about it?
I am not paranoid. You just think academic history is the same as it was in 1960. It's not. I don't know why you think it is.
Perhaps because I have actually been exposed to the 21st century academic history courses, rather than getting my ideas of what it's like from a combination of internet sources and my own paranoia? You seem to think historians are some kind of collective hive of EVIL PROG THOUGHTS instead of a bunch of constantly arguing assholes. Hell, getting historians to agree on anything is herding cats. Tons of modern historians fucking HATE afrocentricists for pushing blatantly false racial pet theories. There's plenty of early modern European history professors who will tell you why the feminist 'Women's Holocaust' theory is moronic and bullshit.
Two years ago I saw this guy fucking gush over Caesar. For an entire lecture. Yeah John, all academic historians are out to get the white males.
Hey John, when's the last time you were in an academic history course?
How many of those guys are old? Go find me someone who is like that who got tenure in the last 20 years. And I have better things to do than waste my time at the academy. I do, however, probably read more in a month than you do in a year. And historians who are any good are either old dead or not in the academy.
The progs own the entire academy. You don't get a job if you are not a Prog. Jesus Christ John where the hell have you been the last 30 years? A cave? A bad acid trip?
Does this at least count as pants-shitting? By the students, I mean? Because we haven't come close to our "pants-shitting" quota for the day, have we?
Is there any historical figure from a period prior to say, the 1990s, that wasn't racist by the standards of today's college left? And if we bring homophobia into this, then it basically disqualifies all current public figures as well, including his highness the current president. This is going to get funny if they take it to its logical conclusion. And considering they are going after one of the great heroes of progressivism, they may well take it to its logical conclusion,
Is there any historical figure from a period prior to say, the 1990s, that wasn't racist by the standards of today's college left?
There isn't a white person dead or alive who isn't racist by the standards of today's college left.
But Wilson was an appalling racist by any standard.
Seriously. the whole eugenics thing was a part of the progressive platform. These idiots might have made you-know-who blush.
I understand you-know-who got a lot of his ideas from them, so...yeah.
It wasn't until after they discovered that You-Know-Who worshipped their theories that they started to denounce them.
Remember: in Progtardistan, it's ALWAYS principals over principles.
I'm not sure there is ANY figure from almost any period that isn't racist by today's standards.
This is true. But Wilson was pretty bad. He was certainly doing more than just going along with the norms of the time.
Do Greeks and Romans count? Sure, they were culturally xenophobic as shit, but they didn't really have a concept of 'race' in the same way we do.
Of course, the response to that is to declare that they practiced 'proto-racism' because Aristotle believed some people were 'natural slaves' who liked being told what to do.
"...some people were 'natural slaves' who liked being told what to do."
I can't really argue with that.
Also, it wasn't proto-racism, it was tribalism and the world is still full of it.
Not arguing in favour of that point, just pointing out how some people will declare 'RACISM!' on groups of people who didn't even have a concept of race.
Sanger.
Invaded 22 countries 11 times, forced a new Constitution on Haiti (with the help of FDR)?
Cultural Competency training for everyone!
Can I take an unpaid holiday instead?
Are you a cop and did you shoot some unarmed kid?
Wikson was no doubt a dick but I'm not sure these asshats fully appreciate why so whaddya gonna do
Kids. Leave it to them to miss what Lisa learned about history and Jebediah Springfield.
Soooo.
I'm taking bets.
Will SJW turn their (dim) sights on Mount Rushmore?
Way ahead of you. Just Google Mount Rushmore Social Justice, and weep for your country.
Borglum had KKK sympathies? I know the left claims he was in the KKK but still...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutzon_Borglum
You, know, I'd kind of like to blow up Mount Rushmore. Teddy Roosevelt? What?
I finally visited a couple years ago. Spectacular. Of course, Crazy Horse is MOAR SPECTACULAR. But I'd keep Rushmore just for the feat of engineering and design that it is. Fuck every one of those Presidents except Washington, though. Yeah, Jefferson, you, too;
Hell, Rushmore is even more crazy impressive because no one died making it, which is a feat with some of the construction techniques of the period.
To carve the faces with such accuracy suggests to me he was blessed by the hand of Michaelangelo and by that I mean God.
I saw a documentary on it years ago and was floored. It's breathtaking.
And no environmental review.
Did you go BEHIND the mountain? Where they carved the rest of the bodies kneeling down and sticking their faces through? THAT is some impressive shit.
Like the Statue of Liberty, Rushmore looks a lot bigger on TV. Crazy Horse is how I imagined it would look in real life. Of course Crazy Horse won't be done until 2378 and will be below sea level due to global warming.
It will be a joint operation with ISIS.
That's fair.i
No, Robby - that's fucking STUPID.
It's like if every Anglican flipped their shit every time someone wore a Guy Fawkes mask. Yeah, that's 'fair'.
On this issue and this issue alone, I will stand at the ready, like John Henry with a sledge.
You know, instead of attempting to wipe Wilson away like a photo of Yezkov, you could just push for a plaque near every statue that reads 'This racist fuck passed the Espionage Act and dicked over half the planet at the Paris 1919 Peace Conference'. Or something like that.
Insert the word "Progressive", and you've got a deal.
All this matters because, at the end of the day, black people's feelings matter just as much as any other people's feelings matter.
That better end with an implicit 'Meaning, no one's feelings matter that much at all.'
You want me to make sure your feelings are never hurt? Get me a neurologist, some jumper cables and a ton of serotonin and I'll send you on a happy trip for the rest of your life. THAT'S how arbitrary and moronic your sudden emotional responses are, and that's exactly why we shouldn't take them as a serious consideration over rationality.
The protesters also want the Ivy League university to institute cultural competency training for staff and faculty, and add a cultural space on campus dedicated to black students.
Yeah, like that doesn't run the risk of ending...badly. So, maybe each race can get it's own water fountain?
add a cultural space on campus dedicated to black students.
You know who else wanted to add a cultural space dedicated to one race?
NASCAR Fans?
That's funny on several levels.
Col. Meriwether Lewis Clark, Jr.?
god in the old testament?
Woodrow Wilson? The irony that the black students want to get rid of Wilson's presence on campus in part because he was racist and favored segregation, and the students will redress this by, among other things, creating racially segregated cultural spaces.
""The protesters also want the Ivy League university to institute cultural competency training for staff and faculty, and add a cultural space on campus dedicated to black students."
That's fair."
No Robby, that's not fair.
Who is running this rag? Are they tired of being taken seriously at all? Are they trying to drive people away?
I know how to fight the Islamic State and jihadism in general! Three words: Pumpkin Spice Latte.
Boom.
You're planning on killing them with chemical warfare?
Either that or a consumerist society.
You can't hate when you've got a pumpkin spice latte in your hands and in your mouth! Though my unquenchable hate usually returns about 10 minutes after the latte is done.
I can absolutely hate when I have Putrid Gourd Slime in my mouth. I am Dennis Leary level fanatical about this.
Figures that a dinosaur (who I've heard is a hack) can't handle options that make his bitter brown water palatable. Seriously: he voluntarily orders Budweiser. What an uncultured trog.
I can't even...
BITTER BROWN WATER makes you a man, punk. You think the Kurds in some foxhole on some mountain you could never find on a map are praying for something to take the edge off of black coffee? Something like juice from a seasonal lawn ornament? They are thankful for every last jolt of caffeine it contains, punk. They are wired and ready to kill ISIS, and are not waiting around for the flavor of the fucking month to be air dropped in by whatever fucking NGO does coffee flavoring airdrops now.
You drink black coffee, punk, or you hate America
You drink black coffee, punk, or you hate Columbia.
You can vomit, though. Coffee is coffee. Black, preferably. Not burned. Coffee "drinks" are just ways of masking shitty, burned, coffee so you won't think about the fact that you just handed over $7.00 for hot brown water with a bunch of sugar and crappy flavoring stirred in.
" Black, preferably."
Maybe if you're a masochist. Coffee is shitty and needs to be smothered in cream at the very least to make it drinkable.
Coffe is good and should always be drunk w/o other shit in it. Black...I recall an incident where I and a couple white boys were ordering coffee at a Mickey D's in New Orleans when we were swamp logging down there.
They asked how do you want it (the coffee) and as northern honkys we replied black. The cute black teens serving us chuckled and then gave us our coffee. I'm assuming they got lots of yucks over our obliviousness, but they seemed to realize it was funny.
Shit has changed in 40 years.
Three words: Pumpkin Spice Latte.
The most basic of basic bitch drinks will not defeat ISIS, only bacon bourbon can do that.
"bacon bourbon"
BARF. Why would you do something like that to bacon?
Why would you do it Bourbon!
to Bourbon.
Now I have the image of Suderman and McArdle dropping in to Syria to defeat ISIS.
"Speaking of war, the U.S. is heading straight into another one"
No, the US is currently deciding whether to start fighting back. The war has been going on against America and others for some time now.
Stop making me agree with you. I don't like it.
You gotta love Cytotoxic's stubborn and consistent pro-American stance.
In fact, I've come to learn pro-American Canadians are ruthlessly so.
If YOU had to live in Canada, you'd be pretty pro America too!
Go to hell, Yankee rebel scum! Commonwealth 4 lyfe!
*Hums goddamn annoying Ontario brainwashing song*
*BARF*
I see you recall the Ontar-i--ar-i-ar-i-ooooOOOOO! ad age.
It was a Golden Era... I remember the CNE in Taranah in 1976. Had all the Scottish pipe bands over to compete against the Ontario bands in the Intercontinental Championship. Epic. I remember going out on a paddleboat in Lake Ontario....and checking out the CN Tower.
22 years later, I was back, playing pipes with the Gr 1 Toronto Polis band for the next 10 years. Good times 🙂
#Ontariariari_oooooooooOOOOOOOOO!
So Canadians are either "fuck America, yeah" or "America, fuck yeah," eh?
Shhhh sshhhhh don't fight it. Let the rightness flow through you.
My wife is SOLIDLY PRO-AMERICAN as am I.
It helps her grand mother is from Rhode Island.
Traitorous dog, your comments are not sufficiently Canadian enough! Shape up or I'll call CanCon on you.
CanCon and the CRTC can suck my dick.
Say it en francais as well and they'll do it.
Or just be NetFlix (there's nothing they can do to stop them).
...and should be immediately abandoned if the jihadis step over the border--at which point their murderous Islamism becomes a valuable asset to the host country.
Imagine going to Stanford and having to see Hoover Tower all day.
Hoover was a stud.
No, wait - I'm thinking of Coolidge
#NeverMind
Fun Fact: Hoover and the Mrs. first translated the seminal Renaissance tract on metallurgy De Re Metallica into English. Also:
Hoover was the most Metal president of the USA.
I have a copy of De Re Metallica around here somewhere.
Not as good as the black album, but still better than reLoad.
Throughout history?recent history, even?students have been some of the most reliable anti-war protesters. Where are they this time?
Complaining about Halloween costumes and getting university presidents fired because Missouri has a few rednecks.
I find it funny that Rico asked that question in this blogpost.
Not that it's not a valid question, but anti-war protesters have been thin on the ground since 2008. There were regular protests in the Junction in my neighborhood right up until Obama got elected, then *poof*.
This has less to do with students... using Twitter! than it does to do with the general political leanings of all anti-war people which tends to include younger people.
For those keeping score at home, the whole thing is eerily similar to how Bill Clinton cured homelessness within about 48 hours of being president.
I can't wait to see the sissy socialists try and quote Wilson's description of the German government. Wilson's rundown of how a gang of arrogant ruffians from the military-industrial complex seized control of a nation's coercive apparatus contrasts sharply with his depiction of the Klan as a sort of fraternity hazing custom that got a little too high-spirited. The President explicitly identified the Kaiser's colleagues as a gang of outlaws--kidnappers and usurpers of a legitimate government--and in effect urged the German people to help arrest them and bring them to justice. One can only wish someone out there would take such a hard line against the DemoGOP that seized control of These States through the Nixon campaign subsidies act and unverifiable "secret" elections. Voters, mesmerized by teevee, do not seem up to the task.
SF lefties get market lesson:
"Even eviction defense groups are getting displaced by startups"
[...]
"Two tenants' rights groups, the Eviction Defense Collaborative and Tenants Together, are losing their mid-Market office space to co-working startup WeWork, in a twist of events that might be ironic if it weren't so...inevitable."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....644445.php
Real question: why the hell would anyone start anything up in Cali?
Weather.
I just don't get that. "Well I'm being robbed and raped by this government but...it's sunny and mild out."
Because there is a huge concentration of talent and investors and a local culture that prizes innovation and risk taking. Plus San Francisco is a nice place to live, I guess? I've only been there once. It was pretty and there was good food.
And probably a lot of startups are mostly focused on their business and not so much on politics. We have too much time on our hands.
What's interesting is the government of San Francisco and California hate innovation and risk taking. Someone s going to win out eventually.
Oh, it's WeWork, not WetWork.
Oh, well, *that* just got a lot less interesting.
Brah, i just watched the latest South Park, and I think I know what's going on. They're after us! We're the victims now!
PC was invented to totally crush puss.
So little awareness that they fail to realize that every single person in history has flaws. Including themselves. I predict quite a few drafty glass houses.
Open minds aren't limited to the liberal left.
Open minds and open markets, Brah.
We understand that, our tunnel vision snowflake friends on the other hand, think openmindedness is limited to their point of view.
I just want the university to set up a platform where I can piss on woodrow's grave.
-jcr
Wilson's grave is in the Washington National Cathedral.
So Princeton can buy some land in Washington near the Cathedral, and JCR can drink a couple kegs of [insert name of shitty beer] and let the rest take care of itself.
I read earlier about the proposal by Flake and others to get rid of the Visa bypass (or whatever it's called) for people that visited Syria or Iraq in the past 5 years. This is....surprisingly sane. Visas should generally not be required when visiting a country and should only be required in special circumstances. What's happening in Iraq and Syria is pretty special.
"Ode to Woodrow Wilson" quotes James Loewen's chapter on Woodrow Wilson from the book Lies My Teacher Told Me.
I was looking at Time Magazine covers the other day. One was about fusion (it's totally this time! Really!). The cover picture was this kaleidoscope of colors. The other cover had a photo of two strips of bacon on it crossed over in an X. Referring to the recent meat study. I think Time has become aware of its own lameness.
This is a libertarian's dilemma: remove the statue dedicated to an authoritarian and appease the mini-authoritarians, or keep the statue of the authoritarian and ignore the mini-authoritarians?
How about crack open a cold one and laugh at everybody involved?
It's not like libertarians get any say in what happens at Princeton, so might as well the watch the authoritarians fight each other.
Jimmy -vs- Timmy!
I was thinking more of racist flag episode, and libertarians would be treated like the visiting KKK. The people at Princeton would reject whatever position, if it is coming from libertarians.
Exactly zog, you can't stop mocking cretins.
The Tea Party is slowly dying.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bo.....ty-really/
Proposition: Gutzon Borglum is the manliest name mentioned on this thread.
Until somebody comes along and mentions Magnus ver Magnusson, Powers Boothe, or Max Fightmaster.
Did any of them sculpt with explosives? *trims nails while waiting for a response*
There are countries that have put men on the moon. And there are countries that use the metric system.
At least the Brits kept the pint glass. The wankers.
"There are countries that have put men on the moon. And there are countries that use the metric system."
Soon there won't be a distinction. You will surrender to the superior system.
You are correct, the KiloWanker is the most appropriate unit to describe your love of Pumpkin Spice Lattes.
Base 12 is the best base.
Gross.
All your base r belong to us
Drop it.
That is C in hexadecimal. Or 14 in octal.
Not any more.
Butch DeadLift.
Rock McHugeabs.
Meat Cleanjerkin.
Not anymore
What is you point, he did his thing...
and anti-immigrant xenophobia.
I have no clue what that means. American Indians would scout a new white homestead on the frontier. They would come in peace and say they were hungry. The wife would fix them a plate and the husband would bring them some gifts. Then the Indians would then gang rape the wife, kill the husband (quickly, if was he was lucky), and run off with the pick of litter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Ann_Parker
Taking either the white settler's position or that of the American Indian's, please explain to me why xenophobia is a human fault rather that a natural and sensible property. Yes, I know xenophobia is defined as an *irrational* fear of foreigners, but that does not make it unwise or unnatural.
Cool story bro. Clearly the base instinct formed through living in tribal societies thousands of years ago are totally appropriate in today's world.
About 150 years ago.
May as well be 15,000 years ago. That society no longer exists.
Do you have any idea how laughable these justifications you give are? It is pathetic: "some Indians from an extinct society were bad, so it's okay for me and others to be collectivist unthinking assholes."
May as well be 15,000 years ago.
OK, you win.
Every time it seems the whiny brats got something right, they still manage to blow it.
So there isn't a single mention of Sander's speech on the CNN homepage. I'm guessing it wasn't very good?
In related news, feminists push to remove the adherence to Newton's laws after finding out he had sexist views about women.
He died a virgin, so his laws are still good?
Newton was chaste, potty mouth.
Not by women, apparently.
Nice.
Sometimes things work out the way they should.
God, they eat their own.
Being delusional makes everyone look like a demon.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
The progressives took over the colleges then trained a bunch of kids to go after whoever is oppressing them. And it turns out the college kids lash out at the closest people oppressing them, which are university administrators.
Hey, maybe the administrators should actually read Frankenstein, not the Cliff Notes version, or study the Film version. And don't shuttle it off to some Women's study course.
If you create a monster, then sooner or later the monster turns on you. Mary Shelly got that. Why can't you?
No, if you create a monster and refuse to make a lady monster for it to have little monster babies, *then* the monster turns on you.
I mean, person of monstrosity.
You suffer internalized paternalist racism.You hate the Monsters because they are better than you at reading Paradise Lost.
Naw, It's hard to get pissed off about someone who actually read a book.
After all creating a bride of Frankenstein would require creating a monster woman. And that Monster woman doesn't really get a say in creating a monster race, the bride of Frankenstein is just expected to create a monster race in some sort of arranged marriage. That's all sort of messed up.
"Students at Princeton?where Wilson served as president before running for governor of New Jersey?have finally turned on him"
The wretched spawn of the Progressive Theocracy turning on it and eating their own.
LUVING IT!
This gives me a glimmer of hope. Maybe these students will look into the economic policies of Wilson and see that only the intentions of those Democratic policies have changed, yet are still rooted in racism, and have the same effects.
And by Democratic I mean Progressive.
I'll believe it once I see black students start questioning the politics of Margaret Sanger.
No, the new line will be that were he alive today, Wilson would be a Republican.
It is funny that the left is always talking about being on the right side of history yet when one of its idols turns out to not be so much on the right side of history, the left tries to rewrite history to fit its new narrative.
On this day in 1978, the news broke about the Koolaid stand in Guyana run by Willie Brown's buddy. Jackie Speier rides victimhood to a lifelong career at the public teat!
Just so ya know.
Wiki Page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Speier
" She lists as evidence the decline of salmon on the West Coast as proof of global warming.[23]"
She is most likely against this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization
Speier is considered just slightly more intelligent than Boxer, so you could interview the salmon and get a better response.
Thanks Sevo I am getting an education on local SF politics that I would normally would not have.
I saw Iron Fertility at the Blood Pit back in '78.
Is that a porno Warren ? =)
You're thinking of Menage Abattoir the noir-realist horror fuckblast that came out of the French underground porn scene in '74.
I am for "Blood Pits" BTW =)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zRPiM3VMZw
So the Chron employs a pretty much worthless 'business columnist' named Thomas Lee; he's had gigs in cow towns and China Daily USA (?). I presume he's at the Chron because he's cheap and he hates profitable businesses.
So he makes the mistake of predicting that the Square IPO is gonna tank, even at the lower asking(paywalled):
"Overvalued 'unicorn' startups stumble as they get reality check"
[...]
"Square, the 6-year-old company known for its white, card readers that plug into smartphones, has been growing rapidly, but it is also burning through a lot of cash despite raising hundred of millions of dollars from investors."
http://www.sfchronicle.com/bus.....642219.php
--------------------------------------
Well:
"Square's stock surges more than 40 percent after steep markdown in IPO pricing"
http://www.usnews.com/news/bus.....r-ipo-flop
Neener, neener, neener!
(Yeah, he's blocked me since I mentioned he works for a lefty rag)
"Another technology company, online dating service, Match.com, fared better than Square, though it had to price its IPO at the low end of its anticipated range"
HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
Okay what is his beef with people being able swipe their own cards without a merchants fee ? =)
Yes I am asking a rhetorical question =)
And good for you Sevo that guy sounds like a dick.
How long until FDR comes under fire in this manner for Japanese Internment?
Did he not pay his interns?
See "Being Liberal" on teh Derpbook. That just gets you ignored, or in extreme cases BLOCKED !!!
Oh The Horror !!!!!! =)
https://www.facebook.com/beingliberal.org/?fref=ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JF8oSxXtM
Ah, but Asians (East anyway) are considered "White" because they are successful and don't commit a lot of crime, so it doesn't count.
change the statues to edith -the first female president- and the minorities will overlook everything. women, for obvious reasons, and blacks because they love themselves some white women. i'm a master of diffusing conflict.
So, a hotel in Mali is being taken over by gunmen.
Any bets on it being done by members of the religion of peace? Or "mercy" to use Reason's recent term
I understood that it was a couple of women and orphans.
I think it was caused by global warming
The latest in fashion. Vagina Gun
So these students are saying Wilson is "Not OK".
I love Robby's work, but he missed the most important part from the Fox story: "About 30 black and white students, from a group called the Black Justice League, took part in the protest.."
So I Googled this organization, and from what I see here, these are not people to be trifled with:
http://worldofblackheroes.com/.....usel-14200
A black student at Princeton crying about racism. I have a 163 IQ and could not have paid for the books to attend that school. One of these whining ingrates probably will be one of our whining political leaders one day. I am so happy that I have white privilege. I got a good WHITE job working 12 to 16 hours a day 6 to 7 days a week for 45 years and never had enough to money to send my kids to such a fine college so they could grow up to be such ignorant little shits. To bad their parents didn't believe in abortion.
Good work on the AM Links, guys.
He was in league with the banksters the whole time he was president. Fuck him!
I have voted Republican, I have voted Democrat and have voted Libertarian in past elections. But after reading Reason's posts these last two weeks, I am glad I am registered as unaffiliated. I almost registered as a Libertarian, glad I didn't. You are starting to make no sense to me.
Then libertarians should go vote for all of the other libertarian candidates out there. I'm sure there are tons of options.
Guess who beat Reason to the punch, by several years, in condemning Woodrow Wilson....Glenn Beck. He is the only talk show host that I have actually learned anything from. And let's not forget that Wilson was a Progressive Democrat. Which is no surprise. I would suggest that there is no one more racist and segregationist than our progressive "leaders".
That's funny:)
They're British men, so it's entirely believable.
Speaking of which, when I saw the stage interview of Ron Howard for the making of the racing movie Rush, the producer (a Brit) said that there were no British men rugged, masculine and good looking enough to play the part of James Hunt, so they had to look on another continent.
They probably think that's what causes the blood from their gums during their monthly brushing.
I have also suffered from this
How do we get all the Limey Snowflakes into the caldera?
Oh that's going on the juke box right now:)
Tundra you just pushed my nostalgia button.
Highschool class of '75.
t
A few years after those days I had a little coke problem. many a night I sat on the couch with a 6 pack of beer getting warm while I did lines with a chick I couldn't do anything with as we waited for Soul Train to come on TV at 8:00 Am.''
Good Times.
Not Really.
Played
Daniel Craig, Tom Hardy, Clive Owen
Bullshit.
That shallow Hollywood perception of everything gets on my nerves. James Hunt would not be deemed rugged, masculine and good looking enough to play himself. http://static-smoda.elpais.com.....4_635x.jpg
Well, we just outed at least two millennials with that joke.
Never gets old. Even the young punks tapping along.
Daniel Craig: 47
Tom Hardy: 38
Clive Owen: 51
Chris Hemsworth: 32
James Hunt: 25-32
Your point?
I like that they got Christopher Walken's notes on the remix. 'Cause I had the fever too.