Paris Hit With Multiple Terror Attacks, Including Shootings, Explosions, and an Ongoing Hostage Situation (Ongoing Updates)
French President Francois Hollande has declared a state of emergency and closed the country's borders

CNN, and other media outlets, are providing ongoing reporting on a series of murderous terror attacks in Paris, including multiple shootings, explosions outside a soccer game, and an ongoing hostage situation at a theater featuring a rock show by American band Eagles of Death Metal
At least six shootings took place in Paris and three explosions took place at the Stade de France in Saint-Denis late Friday, CNN affiliate BFMTV said. Two or three gunmen entered the Bataclan concert hall while opening fire on law enforcement, BFMTV reported. A source earlier told CNN there were six to eight hostage takers, citing a person they were talking to inside the venue.
-- Paris police tell CNN there were three attacks. Attackers reportedly used AK-47 automatic weapons.
-- CNN's Jim Bittermann, who is based in Paris, reports a producer who is at the Bataclan tells him that police are firing at a rooftop position near the venue.
The UK Telegraph reports that:
According to BFMTV, one of the gunmen shouted: "It's for Syria" at Bataclan and Allahu Akbar.
There has been no official comment on motive.
Unfortunately, this horrible story will continue to develop. The Associated Press has a story being updated as things happen or are confirmed. The BBC's updates are here.
(Update): For ongoing reporting from within Paris, France 24 has an English-language live feed watchable online here. As of 6:20 p.m. Eastern time, they have the death toll listed as at least 35 people.
(Update, 6:40 p.m. Eastern): President Barack Obama has condemned the attack (Via USA Today):
"Once again we've seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians," he said, "This is an attack not just on Paris and not just on people of France, but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share."
The president said he had not spoken to French President Francois Hollande but would shortly. He said his team is was still gathering information and he didn't want to speculate about who might be responsible.
But he said the United States stands ready to provide whatever assistance may be necessary and vowed to work with the French and nations around the world "to bring these terrorists to justice, and to go after any terrorist networks that go after our people."
France 24 has updated the death count to at least 40 and says the incidents have taken place at seven separate locations.
(Update, 6:45 p.m., Eastern): France 24 is reporting that police have stormed the concert hall where hostages have been held.
(Update, 7 p.m., Eastern): Multiple media outlets are reporting the raid is over and two shooters have been killed by police. The death count has not been updated, and representatives of Eagles of Death Metal have posted on Facebook that they're not sure of the status or safety of the band and crew yet.
(Update, 7:30., Eastern): France 24 is reporting from security sources that "hundreds" have been killed at the concert hall location where the hostages were held.
(Update, 8 p.m., Eastern): The estimated death toll at the moment stands at around 140. There have been no reports of new incidents since the raid of the concert hall.
(Update, 8:40 p.m., Eastern): Five attackers have been killed according to French prosecutors, but it's still apparently not known how many people were actually involved in the attack. At least one of them was a suicide bomber who apparently detonated, accounting for one of the bombs.
Update, 8:50 p.m., Eastern): A relative of a band member told The Washington Post that Eagles of Death Metal were able to escape the assault on the concert hall:
Relatives of members in Eagles of Death Metal who spoke to The Washington Post said the band managed to escape.
Mary Lou Dorio, the mother of Julian Dorio, the band's drummer, told The Post that her son was safe. She said the band members managed to flee the concert hall when the attack began, but that the fate of several crew members remains unknown.
(Update, 8:55 p.m., Eastern) French President Hollande is reported by the Washington Post to have said "that France was 'going to lead a war,' presumably against Islamist militants. He said his country's response would be 'ruthless.'"
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We're currently in the denial stage where we pretend it maybe wasn't Muslims this time.
Let me progsplain to you about how people who call themselves Muslims, and say they are doing violence on other people because their Muslim beliefs demand it, are simply confused not-REAL-Muslims.
But when a Christian loses his shit and does something horrible, that is irrefutable proof that Christianity is fucked. Got that?
Makes perfect sense as long as I don't give it any thought whatsoever.
That is the key
In the spirit of our friends on the left and eft and what they would say after one of these tragedies in the US.....
THIS IS WHY WE NEED COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS!!!!!!!!!
Man, that felt good.....
more like this
UNLESS AND UNTIL WE REPEAL THE RACIST 2ND AMENDMENT AND CREATE SAFE SPACES WE WILL HAVE MORE WORKPLACE VIOLENCE IN PARIS
I'm not even concerned with Obama finally, maybe, growing a pair of balls. I'm just praying he grows a brain so we can combat this workplace violence conducted by the JV team.
How unlucky can America be to have the two dumbest presidents in US history back to back? First it was W. Bush with his warmongering, national building premise that destroyed who knows how many hundreds of thousands of lives and multiple trillions of dollars, but then we get Obama who only compounded the problem by not protecting the few gains the idiot Bush paid for with all of those lives and money.
IT'S ALL OVER FOLKS! And socialism won with an end run by the fuckin' muslims.
thank you for the trigger warning
Is that like how black and women republicans aren't really black or women?
Now you're on the trolley!
No, I think we knew.
Think France has received enough exponential cultural enrichment yet?
What? This only happened because they don't have enough, bagger!
Posted from previous thread:
Get your Vodka Crans out, Glibertarians, Paris closed the border!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/c.....rders.html
SF'ed the link.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/c.....rders.html
Mebbe we can learn something from the Frogs?
Uhhh.
Seems useless. Unless they have some actionable info, this is the equivalent of banning shoes in airports.
I suspect the terrorists will turn out to have been in the country for a while (and possibly born in Europe or moved there when they were young). That's usually the case.
I seem to recall that 2 of the Charlie Hebdo shooters had been in france for 10 or more years, and maybe one was a recent arrival;
it seems to generally be like that - locals, plus some recent emigres.
Yes,
I'm not going to shit of the French gov for (apparently) overreacting, because I don't have all the facts, and as far as overreactions go this one is both mild and temporary (since they have treaty obligations to let other Europeans come and go).
I'll also not complain if they decide to cut down on asylum seekers because their economy is too dysfunctional to productively integrate them anyway.
Maybe they closed the border to help keep any scumbags from escaping the country after killing a bunch of innocent people?
Your jumping to a conclusion betrays that deep seated freetard immigration defect in your brain.
Besides, they've clearly got a Muslim retard problem. Why risk importing more? For their tremendous cultural contributions? Charming customs? There are plenty of other relatively peaceful regions of the world from which the impoverished can be imported to help Western twits like you feel all warm and fuzzy.
Add to that the news that one, possibly two of the attackers recently entered Europe as a "refugee."
Yep. This is just another reason why Trump is largely correct about immigration. Shut the border down before this bullshit happens here. And. no more Islamic immigration.
A terrorist attack in France is a "reason" why we should deport all Mexicans in America?
Fuck that Mexicans are awesome. We should love the Mexicans! They are family oriented Christians who work hard to make a living for their family. Also, tacos. I rest my case.
I've never met a Mexican who wasn't a decent person, but there are no gangs here either. Let's just say we're damn lucky to have them as neighbors, instead of the Mohammedans the Europeans are adjacent to.
I don't support deportation, but maybe you should live in Phoenix for awhile.
I appreciate what the influx of Messicans has brought my county...but the overloaded ER's, Latin Kings, 13th Street Players, Surenos, et al... not so much. I just want a balance of decent folk without overloading the area.
Well a lot of the gangs are our own fault. WoD and all.
And some of them, I assume, are good people.
It's a damn good argument for secure borders, Mexicans notwithstanding.
The only way to secure the border is to massively increase legal immigration. period.
Or build a giant wall with armed patrols that have the right to shoot on sight.
Sucks for American goatherders, though.
That isn't what I said. Nor has Trump said that. Just illegals. Also, he talks about border security and better scrutiny of who we let into the US. Which involves far more than just Mexican nationals. But feel free to engage in hyperbole, untruths and distortions if that makes you feel better.
One can only hope that this bullshit in Paris effectively prevents Obama from importing hundreds of thousands of Syrians (largely muslim men of fighting age) into the US with no ability to effectively screen them.
Suicidy -- I agree with you. These half-brains here at Reason cannot even present a good argument against Trump. And ask them who they want for the nominee and they just sit there mumbling to themselves.
Yeah. Do you know what "closed borders" means?
Increased legal immigration makes the border MORE secure. You can't "shut the border down". We have tried doing that for years. The only way to make it more secure is to convince people to come through legally. You do that through cheap easy work permits.
What you can do is prosecute everyone who illegally employs illegal aliens, that would shut it down pretty quick.
This is the exact plan we have in place now. It was part of the second amnesty deal, some 20+ years ago. It is why you have to produce multiple forms of citizenship documentation whenever you take a new job.
It doesn't work. I'm not claiming this because of some theoretical classroom calculus about immigration and law enforcement. It is an empirical fact born of multiple decades of real world experience with the attempt.
Bush floated the idea of providing work permits for foreign workers - not on a green card / permanent resident / citizen path. I don't think a single democrat failed to condemn it. Along with most republicans. Team blue wants more poor voters that can be race-baited into supporting them. Team red wants to stroke the fearful redneck who wants to go to McDonald's without having to translate his order to spanglish and doesn't want to compete for his job at the warehouse against a bunch of latinos who would happily work for half his wage.
The liberty-based solution is unworkable in the current political structure. The limited legal immigration with employer enforcement plan would theoretically work, but it doesn't work in reality because certain industries are dependent on illegal immigrant labor - like farming. So we are stuck with periodic crises of millions of illegals living amongst us clamoring for legal status. Nice job, political class!
It doesn't work because there is zero enforcement.
Start to throw parents in jail who don't run background checks in their babies, that would stop it pretty quick
That's extremely expensive and intrusive.
Non-muslims=good immigration
Muslims=bad immigration.
Secure the borders and make it easier to come in legally so long as you thouroughly denounce and blaspheme against islam
I can't wait for tomorrow's article about why open borders can solve terrorism because something something economic liberty hearts and minds.
They should do the opposite: open the borders, & clear everybody out! They can't get you if you're not there.
Workplace violence? But the work week ends on Wednesday!
Seriously, though, holy fucking shit.
I blame the tea party.......and those who triggered kids at Yale. Can we all form a drum circle now and create a safe space ?
Down twinkles.
As of this writing, there is a big terrorist attack in Paris. While they haven't said Muslim terrorists, it is pretty obvious. And what about the timing? Europe has just had a Nazi style boycott of Jewish, Israeli goods. The Muslims "reward" this appeasement by the kaffirs by killing at least 60 French people, as of this writing. Way to go Europe! Europe bashes the Jews to appease the Muslims; the Muslims reward such appeasement with mass slaughter of the appeasers; and the world doesn't learn a thing and goes on with its cowardice and Jew hatred.
"You're next buddies, Israeli woman's warning to Europe as it laughs over the murder of the Jews in Israel
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"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here."
Underzog? For real? I thought you had paranoia'd yourself into orbit years ago.
I know, right?
Is it paranoia if people really are out to get the Chosen People?
/ducks
Underzog can see anti-Semitism in breakfast cereal. His Alpha-Bits spell Hitler. Life in his universe is a struggle between Jews and those who want them dead, which according to him is everyone. But you know that, so the answer to your question is "maybe not."
You know who else...hey, wait a moment...?
But wasn't France against the Iraq war, to the delight of Michael Moore?
"While they haven't said Muslim terrorists, it is pretty obvious."
First rule of the Progressive Press - "No Islam To See Here."
The only way to fix things is to get rid of all the Muslims and ell the enabling progressives that always invite monsters in to kill us.
Yes, no problem with murdering a billion people.
Frankly I have no problem with it.
Well, we don't have to murder the Muslims to "get rid of them", there are plenty of nice Muslim-run places where they can be sent to murder each other in peace. And technically we don't have to murder the progs either, we can just ship them out with the Muslims and let nature take its course.
If that's what it takes. Which is ultimately up to the Muslims. I suspect if they see that we are prepared to go that far to put an end to all this horrific bullshit, the majority that enables the fanatics with their inaction or their passive aid might actually turn on them in the interest of their own survival.
Or to put it simply, how many people would you kill to protect your own family? If I knew that some group was planning to kill my family, I would hunt them to extinction if that is what it took to end the threat. And I wouldn't give a shit if that amounted to a high body count. But then, that's me.
AGain, Suicidy, I ask sincerely - are you a right-wing war-mongoloid cretin for realz, or just a caricature of one? Hard to tell, frankly.
What the hell is a kaffir? That a kind of drink or something?
someone hasn't watched Lethal Weapon 2
Ah thank you, that's me then.
Kefir is the drink.
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Except they didn't bash Jews to appease he Muslims, they bashed the Jews because that is what Europeans do naturally.
It's what all totalitarian altruists do naturally. I remember when the exact same identical superstitious clones attacked Israeli athletes in Munich, and led to those awful jokes about surviving Jewish athletes...
Mohammed's minions' free exercise thereof, by Black September and Islamic Statism, is really a class act that evokes sympathy and admiration, ya gotta hand them that.
The report I'm hearing is that Josh Homme of the greatest stoner metal band ever Kyuss (not to mention Queens of the Stone Age, The Eagles of Death Metal, et. al.) was killed. Has anyone else heard that?
I thought he wasn't on tour with them
Yeah, he doesn't tour with them. Do you have a source, Ken?
No, but I've heard there were many Americans at the concert and so US citizens were probably killed.
Today, we're all French.
:hangs head:
Merde....
Do I have to order snails?
Try the cock.....les.
No, but you have to call mashed potatoes French Fries
I sympathize with the French, but we have to draw the line somewhere
In sympathy with the French I've decided to stop shaving my pits.
On second thought, being French might not be that bad. Lounging around, eating cheese and truffles...
...superior wines, lovely landscapes...
Bathing is such a hassle.
10 hour workweek ...
French toast, French bread, French fries, French kissing
What's not to like?
Vice la France !!
Transgenic psylocin truffles...
Pics?
Being slaughtered by Muslims like helpless sheep while progtards run around like idiots.........
^this
Fine, I'll start calling them French Fries again.
I chuckled
Nice.
Demon Cleaner? NOOOOOOOOO
This song in particular is genius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf6qnX4rmDU
Where Black Flag, the Ramones, ZZ Top, Black Sabbath, and Canned Heat all come together.
Terribly sorry for all the victims.
+1 6 2 7 8
Ken, I would be very skeptical of that report. Its way too early to have good info on who exactly was murdered.
He wasn't with them, Ken.
Now you're making me feel better for saying, "Josh Homme is SAFE? ah, I'm so relieved, there's nothing to worry about now"
That said, EoDM is not a bad band by any means
I thought they got much better when Joe Walsh joined.
Don Henley or go home
I thought they were an Air Force unit. Sorry.
pppppssssh. They're not that *gay*
I'm afraid they're worse than bad.
The members of TEODM reported all members accounted for.
STOP APPEASING.
Israel is NOT the problem.
Man, I just don't know what needs to be done at this point.
That twit Cameron said 'I'm shocked'. Should we be shocked?
You can only be shocked if you aren't paying any attention.
Angry, sure. Shocked, no. Any national leader who finds this shocking post Beslan is dangerously naive and/or stupid.
Jesus Christ. What a mess as I watch this unfold.
Maybe it's not a good idea I drink bourbon as I watch.
That would be Obama
Hey, no fair. He said "leader"!
"I'm pissed as hell and we have to do something about radical Islam, which kills more people than mass shooters. I don't care if you call me an Islamophobe"
Somehow I missed that speech.
Why just today Fearless Leader said ISIS was contained.
http://www.breitbart.com/video.....ined-them/
I guess ISIS didn't get the memo.
No, no, that's ***ISIL*** that has been contained.
Imperator Fucker never mentions ISIS.
Bet he doesn't even know what a "Levant" is ...
"he doesn't even know what a "Levant" is ..."
Or event that it includes Syria.
even, not event
I was going to say,
"if you hear Obama actually say, "ISIS" it means there's been a change of policy - if "ISIL", then its just more Foreign Policy PR"
there's some truth to that, as pathetic as it is
You are all correct.
It was George Stepanapapapapaous who pronounced it ISIS.
The Prez avoids the last S that references Syria and he and his minions are the only people on the planet that call it ISIL.
Would he be mad If I called Cattin Jenner HE since she wants to be called she ? ISIS wants to be called ISIS yet he presists with this ISIL crap.
""'Israel is NOT the problem."""
Who was talking about Israel?
Hitler?
No?
Someone referenced the boycott of Israeli goods.
Someone really went that retarded?
Oh, THIS
"" In a stinging rebuke to Israel, the European Union insisted on Wednesday that some goods produced on land seized in the 1967 war must be labeled "made in settlements," a mandate that added to Israel's deep unease over a growing international boycott.
European officials tried to play down the decision, saying the guidelines merely clarified existing rules. But the move exacerbated already simmering tensions between Israel and Europe as Israeli politicians condemned it as an echo of the Holocaust-era branding of European Jews and their storefronts with yellow stars.
The European Union is Israel's top trading partner, though products from the occupied West Bank, the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem that will now require special labels amount to less than 1 percent of Israel's $13 billion in annual exports to the bloc's 28 countries. But while the immediate economic impact is expected to be minimal, there is fear that the logic behind the labeling could be extended to the broader economy by targeting businesses that have operations or affiliates in the contested areas, as many do."
That is a weirdly specific labeling requirement.
They are stating that the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is illegitimate and they oppose the presence of any jews in those lands. Hence the specificity of the labelling requirement.
They would have made them put pictures of dead Palestinian kids on the label, with "Zionism is Murder" as the caption, but they thought that might not survive the European High Court.
It's not like it's a cigarette pack.
Hey! No Volkswagen jokes!
See whut I mean? Europe's nationalsocialists won't think Altruria is safe for altruism until all thinking people are beheaded. They are getting exactly what they voted for in France. (He said, sympathetically)
Sheldon will right a horrifically inappropriate column blaming Israel and the US for this. Are we all ready to rise up and wipe out the progs at long last? And then finally deal with the Islamic problem decisively?
Hahahahaa nope.
We'll be real pissed off and clear-headed for like three days. Then it'll all go back to 'normal'.
The watershed moment is coming. If it isn't this, it will be something else. When it does, it will not go well for the progtarded.
Fucking carpet bomb them into oblivion. The end.
Bomb who?
All ISIS held territories, to start off with. Then maybe work outwards from there, until there isn't anything left. Nukes will work too.
There are lots of innocents in those territories. This would be like the fire-bombing of Dresden, which is NOW seen as immoral by very many.
"There are lots of innocents in those territories"
Given that they are living under ISIS a quick flaming death might seem like a welcome relief. Either that or they are pleased to be living under ISIS. In which case, problem solved.
No, I really don't mean that, but the time is coming. A time when the people of the west really will shed that thin veneer. And when they do such sentiments will not seem at all extreme.
Because this stuff only ends when Muslims - worldwide - experience firsthand that even mere sympathy, much less acquiescence to jihadism brings only immediate death and destruction does this begin to stop.
This would be like the fire-bombing of Dresden, which is NOW seen as immoral by very many.
Well, we live in a world of pussies intent on committing civilizational suicide and who think it's immoral if a Yale lecturer suggests that it might, maybe, just possibly, not be cool for Yale administrators to dictate Halloween costume codes to students.
We waged total war against the Germans and Japanese and, in retrospect, I think the outcome was amazingly great. I'm all for more Dresdens if that's what it takes to destroy genocidal fascists and their supporting useful idiots.
Hurting the feelings of a college student is NOW seen as immoral by very many. I would not use today's standards of morality as any kind rational measure.
Fuck them, fuck their innocents, and fuck their entire genocidal death cult of a religion.
Name three...
Them. All of them. No mercy.
Tsss.
I predict there won't be an open border in Europe by Monday morning.
I'm afraid we have to do something drastic along those lines.
Canada took in 25 000 refugees. How many among them are ISIS plants/sympathizers? Not paranoia, just plain sober realism at this point.
My understanding is that State doesn't have a good handle on whether or not there are AQ/ISIS guys within the refugee stream of MAMs. See, e.g., this State Department guy admitting as much to Wolf Blitzer, back in September.
Out of 25k? It isn't a question of if, only how many.
In all likelihood the attackers were home-grown born in France like the other attacks.
This.
Oh, sure, this has absolutely nothing to do with immigration, right? Just a bunch of French people who must have converted to Islam....
Native-born Muslims are the only ones we have to worry about. Immigrant Muslims all just want to work for Uber.
... but not transport alcohol.
Or gays. Or guide dogs. Or Jews.
I don't go anywhere without my bacon.
Algeria was an integral part of the French Republic for over a hundred years. These are by and large descendants of French citizens who came from Algeria. The migration in question occurred more than 2 generations ago.
"These people" meaning "Muslims in France", not necessarily the perpetrators of this attack
But identical in every preprogrammed byte dogma that for them passes for thought? We have klansmen and religious conservatives here too... but we also have this Second Amendment to help thin them out a little.
And it's their kids and grandkids who are the problem, as well as recent immigrants. Which does not contradict my point.
You mean it's a total of 5 or so people right? The problem being the minuscule threat of terrorism.
Um, you do realize that there are French people who are born Muslims? And that such people have committed acts of terrorism before.
I don't think it is unlikely that recent immigrants had something to do with it. But nor is it unlikely that it was people born in France or who have been there for many years.
There are plenty of Muslims with French citizenship from the time France tried to incorporate Algeria politically into France.
In all likelihood the attackers were home-grown born in France like the other attacks.
And this is relevant how? Imported Moslems will be pro-liberty unlike the Moslems that are already there? Are you claiming that they consider themselves French?
Or only import sterile Muslims?
Sounds like a plan ...
I'd agree, it is unlikely they are brand new arrivals.
They are either recent immigrants, or the children of recent immigrants.
But that is hardly a reason to continue to accept more immigrants.
In Amerikkka anyone who has ever lit a joint is turned back at the border or deported if found. Republicans and Hillary call it "moral turpitude." But gunning down a bunch of unarmed teenage potheads? In America that's called "police work" and merits a medal, a raise, a paid vacation and a get-out-of-jail-free card.
"I'm afraid we have to do something drastic along those lines."
No we don't, not anymore than we 'have' to enact the PATRIOT act.
"How many among them are ISIS plants/sympathizers?"
Plain sober realism makes clear that it's pretty much impossible for there to be enough ISIS plants to come within a galaxy of outweighing the benefits of immigration.
Where would France be without couscous??? And car burning? And welfare recipients? And unskilled labor?
Don't forget the gang rapes, Papaya!
A little bit east, and probably called "Germany".
That dope ain't gonna sell itself.
Spain?
None of this is relevant to immigration. France can supply all its own homegrown dysfunction.
As someone pointed out above, Algeria was part of France for some time. It wasn't immigrants who brought couscous and Islam to France. It was the French bringing France to North Africa.
Religious fanatic whack-job immigration? You have figures for that?
They did? I thought McDreamy promised to take 25k refugees, but the Canadian government said "not so fast".
He is the government now. The various charities and shits who kept quiet while election was on, as soon as he was elected, were all "actually, no way we can do this, it's beyond our capabilities"
However, The Great And Wonderful Leader Of Awesomeness will not deterred
I never wanted to know what an intelectually light-weight version of Obama is like, but I get to be ruled by him for the next four years, at least.
Almost every single thing he has said and done since being elected (and before actually), I disagree with.
Yup. And it's only been a couple of weeks. I shutter what Zoolander will do over the next few years. I can't believe this guy is PM.
shudder?
No, he closes his window coverings all over the house. He shutters.
Doesn't that bear what I said out? There are logistics involved with bringing 25,000 people into the country in the next 45 days. Politics aside...
Right, but that would be reality imposing itself on him. He and his government will do their damndest to prove reality wrong, and if it means 500+ flights into army bases, then so be it!
Importing Muslims because they are "distressed" is like importing plague victims: yes, they need help, but they are also carrying the disease that created the disaster from which they flee.
Islam isn't contagious you dumbass. Canada has plenty of Muslims already and basically no problems from it.
Yeah, it is. And yes, they do.
Basically.........
The violence associated with "the religion of peace" sure is contagious, and the more Muslims there are around, the more likely you are to catch some of that violence.
A terse but truthful summation. Just because it is mental it is no less a disease. Besides, we already have a surplus of prohibitionist Republicans and antichoice Tea-farty fanatics ready to export to Syria where they'd doubtless have much in common with the natives.
The only problem is that 25,000 is too few.
It's not a question of how many, it's how many on his utterly retarded timeline.
The only way McDreamy can execute on that promise in the next 45 days is to send a dozen container ships, pack them in like slaves then slam all of them into an apartheid style refugee camp upon arrival.
Talk about pathological altruism.
No kidding.
Obama is an intellectually light weight, just listen to him speak or read one of his books. A nice suit and some golf does not make one a sophisticate.
*intellectual
See? Thats what I get for reading his book.
Yes, I always feel a few IQ points lighter after listening to the Marxist Messiah bloviate about some Bolshevist bullshit. If there is any karmic justice, he will contract stomach cancer.
A nice suit and some golf does not make one a sophisticate.
I beg to differ.
Maybe we can make them wear some kind of badge thing like... I dunno... a yellow crescent?
You know who else ....
Aw, fuck it, never mind ...
Too late...
Pirrsbuly Doughboy?
It makes more sense to just deport or liquidate them.
zing...
Obama will let Syrians into this country and ISIS will pull this here. And Obama won't give a fuck.
He will be out of office and someone will get a raging warboner. Then Americans will die fighting in a shithole.
No. Americans will be leveling some shithole and sending a lot of Muslims here back where they came from.
If you didn't after 9/11, you never will.
And no, you didn't "level" either Afghanistan nor Iraq. Kandahar didn't look like Dresden, Baghdad like Berlin or Mosul like Tokyo.
America is a huge country. Most people barely noticed 911. Americans are slow to anger. The next time we won't nation build.
The next time we won't nation build.
Wanna bet? Jeb! may be toast but the State Department isn't on the ballot.
Most people barely noticed 911.
Um, ok.
Too damn bad.
/wants glass parking lot in Raqqa
Didn't Lyndon Johnson wage war on poverty and Vietnam?
If Obama lets the Syrians in now he will then need to be tried and executed for treason.
I believe they have this covered, but perhaps HM if he happens along can enlighten us all.
Allahdamnit, that was meant for Mark below........
Too late, they are already settling Syrian refugees in New Orleans.
New rule: in order to get into the US you have to do a shot or a glass of wine in front of the guard. The booze is free, you just have to finish it. Best border security ever.
The 9-11 bombers went to bars and strip clubs to "fit in and appear american" that test won't stop shit
I think they regard being a martyr to the cause a get out of jail free card for that type of minor sin.
Include real beer and you got my vote.
Then the terrorists will have won.
Wow you are a comical moron. I am pretty sure they will have won the moment that bullet goes through your head.
Cytotoxic as the General John Sedgwick of immigration: "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."
Nope that's not winning. Winning involves goals. It's scary that a moron is in the military.
There is a strange hatred of human liberty that you would want to import tens of thousands of anti-liberty moslems.
How in the fuck do you find yourself wishing for a repeat of what is happening in Paris across North America? How can you be so abjectly stupid to think that the violence perpetrated by Moslems in the name of Islam doesn't have anything to do with Islam?
Let's see. Should I believe some imbecilic turd in Canada or should I believe a woman who lived it, Ayaan Hirsi Ali? She has more courage in her little finger than you do in your whole body. You would lead those who would murder her right to her, wouldn't you, you fucking piece of shit?
No, you're thinking of "America". America will have won on the day that terrorists shoot a bullet into Cytotoxic's head. A small, petty victory, to be sure,but a victory nevertheless. We also get bonus points if the terrorist is an immigrant.
Cytotoxic is John Birch? Isn't he supposed to already be dead?
This is kinda silly, whatever your feelings on borders.
Deep in their cave, the legion of doom is meeting, with the ghost of Osama bin Laden declaring to Lex Luther: "Excellent! We have achieved our greatest objective yet: Europe has started restricting border transit; that was the plan: step 1) induce border restriction, step 2) world converts to Islam, step 3) profit."
I do think those "Pledges" to take X*100,000s that each EU country has made so far?
are probably being rescinded as we speak, and they're all talking about how to ship the remainder lurking in the borders / camps somewhere far away, preferably in Russia's backyard.
Dump the Muslims in the fucking ocean If that's what it takes. This should also end any argument about open borders bullshit. See it up and be careful about who is let in.
We also need to let the NSA spy on us right? I mean hey, why end the asinine anti-liberty arguments here?
If we get rid of all the Muslims and no who is coming in, why would we need all that surveillance? Or all the bullshit at the airport? We have these things because we tolerate the presence of those we should not. Getting rid of all the progs will also help.
+1 fuck the religious nut job islamists
Your comments belong at Breitbart, not Reason.
You're a retard if you think the NSA spying program will disappear if we kick out all Muslims.
Is that a reason to not kick out all Muslims?
One disaster at a time?
Well fuck...
Man, I really wish America had the kind of common sense gun laws that apparently let any Hassan, Ahmed, or Kareem get his hands on a full auto AK at the drop of a hat.
Outlawing guns would do that. Black Market doesn't discrimate against rate of fire.
True. If you're going to prison regardless, why not get full auto?
""f you're going to prison blow yourself up regardless, why not get full auto?"
IIRC most organized crime doesn't spring for full auto because they rarely expect to be in full shootouts. Controlled fire is preferable for most situations.
Full auto mode is largely a waste of ammo. And it heats the barrel up very fast with any sustained fire.
Full auto is for suppressive fire. Suppressive fire is for organized squad tactics - fire and maneuver against armed opponents. It is not so much intended to inflict casualties as it is to deny movement and/or vision.
Criminals tend to avoid armed opponents, and even when they do not organized squad tactics are generally not in their bag of tricks.
Aimed fire is the preferred method for causing casualties. Assuming these guys had any serious training, and even if their weapons were full auto capable, their training would have been to keep the selector switch on semi, and aim at their targets.
I always use full auto when hunting rabbits. Inflicts maximum suppression of those little buggers.
Indirect fire is preferable.
I thought it was Salt Lake City, Ferguson, Carolina and Cleveland cops who avoid armed opponents. French cops could use some training in Garland Texas, from the looks of things.
5 explosions heard at the concert hall.
With or w/o amplif'n?
You can do better.
Friday the 13th.
Live updates on Yahoo
Jason does Paris.
More like 'Muhammed does Paris'.
If something like this happened in the U.S., would it not be constitutional for the President to declare a state of emergency and refuse entry to Muslims and deport all Muslims who aren't U.S. citizens?
I'm not saying that should happen, by any means (or that Obama would ever do it), but suspending habeas corpus is a constitutional emergency power--amirite?
Oh there may well be a State of Emergency in the Boston Marathin vein, but it won't have anything to do with Muslims
The President could do it and the country would demand it. If it happened more than once, he would have to intern Muslims to keep the population from killing them. It would be ugly.
Sure, just like ask those hate crimes against Muslims after 9/11... Oh wait
Build cottages at Guantanamo.
"The Garden Homes at Tropical Acres"?
If it happened more than once, he would have to intern Muslims to keep the population from killing them.
Or we could, you know, let people keep and bear arms. We might give it a clever name, like "the 2nd Amendment".
Or we could, you know, let people keep and bear arms
Even open carry won't do much good if a suicide bomber detonates his vest before you can draw on him.
John's right--a coordinated attack like this here, at this point, would make Muslims instant targets. People weren't really prepared for 9/11. After seeing stuff on ISIS for the last year, there would likely be mosque burnings. People would stop giving a shit about political correctness very quickly.
I'm not so sure. Look what happened after the church shooting in SC-- they forgave the shooter.
In Tallahassee, FL, some guy drove his truck into an Islamic Center a little while after 9/11. It was notable for how unusual it was.
The shooter was one guy, and the shooting was one time, and easily seen as the last gasp of a dying ideology.
In my lifetime, Islam has gone from "The religion of the foreign kid in school, and some dictators in the Middle East, and a hostage taking every once every couple of years" to all murder, rape, genocide, and cultural annihilation, on the news, every day, everywhere on the planet, all the time. Palestinian stabbings in Israel, Boko Haram abductions and massacres in Africa, Al Qaeda in the US, terrorist bombings and attacks on free speech in Europe, Chechnyan terrorists in Russia, Uyghur stabbings in China. And ISIS is the most evil of the all of them, and the most pure and Islamic.
Not to mention this was coordinated attacks, lots of people, tied to a foreign enemy, utterly ruthlessly evil. With 9/11, we felt we were caught off guard, that we could stop the next attack by fighting back, sealing cockpit doors, etc.. With this sort of thing, what can you do? What could you do to stop ISIS from just murdering 200 people ever Friday for fun? Getting rid of Muslims might not be a good solution, but it is a solution that would work, and when people are desperate enough to feel safe...
All people have the right to keep and bear arms, including the hypothetical Muslims who would be "interned for their own safety" as John suggested.
If it happens here with Islamic immigrants, or Islamic illegals, then Obama should be arrested for treason.
The constitution only allows habeas corpus to be suspended during invasions or insurrections, and then only by Congress. Lincoln unilaterally suspended it in Maryland at the beginning of the Civil War but pretty much everyone agrees it was unconstitutional.
Keep in mind the constitution was written at a time when Indian raids on the Appalachian frontier were still fairly common, so claims that the Founders didn't consider the possibility of mass killings and hostage taking don't hold water.
Constitutional? That constitution thing is like really old and was written by some whiteys who held slaves.
...and is a living document or something.
My comment was in response to a question about whether it would be constitutional.
President Lincoln got away with it, so Obama probably would too. That wasn't the question.
Did I really need to add the /sarc tag to my reply?
Obama has written an executive order giving the President absolute control of everything whether in a time of peace or a time of war and it suspends the constitution. It even goes so far that if the President orders you to do something, anything, it is against the law fpr you to ignore his order. If he tells you you have to quit your million dollar job and work for the government for a dollar a day as long as he says he has that power.
I'm too lazy to look up a link but google is your friend. I'm not making it up.
"The constitution only allows habeas corpus to be suspended during invasions or insurrections, and then only by Congress. Lincoln unilaterally suspended it in Maryland at the beginning of the Civil War but pretty much everyone agrees it was unconstitutional."
The Constitution is so passe.
http://5440fight.com/obama-sig.....eace-time/
http://beforeitsnews.com/polit.....23682.html
Ace of Spade disagrees on the nature of the E.O.
Wait, I'm confused. I thought Obama was the ace of spades.
"The constitution only allows habeas corpus to be suspended during invasions or insurrections, and then only by Congress. Lincoln unilaterally suspended it in Maryland at the beginning of the Civil War but pretty much everyone agrees it was unconstitutional."
The Constitution is so passe.
http://5440fight.com/obama-sig.....eace-time/
http://beforeitsnews.com/polit.....23682.html
Aye-aye Cap'n!
At this moment, man, I stand by France.
Je suis Eagles of Death Metal.
Je sui FAMAS F1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS
The speculation that this attack was probably planned for the Paris Climate Change Conference in a few weeks seems plausible.
Why'd they jump the gun? Alternately, since the post-Charlie Hebdo attack crackdowns didn't find these guys, who's to say that any future Climate Change attackers won't still be hanging around after this set of attacks?
Because Jihadi John got waxed. Bad for recruitment.
I don't really buy this, but its a theory.
In any case, fuck Jihadi John.
Preferably up the ass with a rusty bayonet. If that fucker actually was killed the other day, he suffered too easy a death.
Because the climate is warming and the seas are rising much faster than anticipated even two weeks ago. Paris may well be underwater by the time the conference begins. That really affects terror attack logistics
^LAWL. Well played, sir!
???? Where are you seeing that?
I said it in the last thread. Try to keep up. Source: Diane Reynolds.
Knock it off, Chelsea.
What Playa said. Are being sarcastic?
No. This from the experts on MSNBC.
Not the usual talking heads but the anti-terrorism ex-CIA guys.
They were speculating, saying their best guess was that this was meant to target the Paris Climate Change Conference but us killing Jihad John made them jump the gun in response.
morons
Given that one of the attacks struck the soccer match between France and Germany, a match attended by the French President, I'd say this way the chosen day and the chosen time.
More likely that, for whatever reasons, certain elements of the action missed the party.
IOW - this was supposed to be even worse.
Yep
"He also confirmed that German police had contacted French authorities after arresting a man from Montenegro in Bavaria on Nov. 5, who was apparently heading to Paris in a car carrying guns and explosives."
http://tinyurl.com/p4u4hjm
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'
I took a shit in Mecca once. Nuke Mecca now.
Hi Sandi! Say, have you ever taken a shit in California? I just did.
Aye. I'm not for nuking Mecca but I am for American individualism and willing to stand bravely against those that would deprive us of our lives. This miserable massacre reminds me that strong national identity and assimilation is necessary for a functioning nation of immigrants. In France the enemy is within her borders too numerous to rout. This tragedy sickens me but steels my resolve.
I'm surprised that the leadership of these groups so strongly subscribe to the theory that the West is so decadent and weak that it is just doomed to fall if enough attacks like this happen. Which totally ignores things like the U.S. toppling two governments very shortly after 9/11, and the many examples in the past of a supposedly pacifistic and war-weary West getting pushed past our tolerance and blowing up everything.
What this may very well do, if it continues, is to make the U.S. and Europe much more sympathetic to and supportive of Israel. If that happens, the moderating pressure placed on them may end. "Sure, why not rebuild the Temple?" Even before firing shots, the West could end a lot of this simply by getting on the same page. . .which wouldn't happen without these evil nutjobs pushing us together.
Pro Libertate
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE ALIVE
... not that anyone missed you or anything
Of course I'm alive. My work here is not done.
PRO l'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought you joined the fedaykin.
Spice trance.
NUKE THE MOON.
If the 20th century showed anything is that we, the supposedly civilized countries, that won the second world war are capable of hideous and extreme destruction. Armistice day just went by. What horrors the West have dealt can be dealt again. With a common enemy destruction is assured.
Is this really a Pearl Harbor moment? I just don't know. I'm just angry.
We western countries have been screwing up in the Middle East for years--heck, some of the mess really is our fault. But this is enough. We either unite to end this nonsense, or we wait until a mass attack of far greater proportions occurs. And it will if we continue to pussyfoot around.
There are options besides blowing the heck out of everything, assuming the West can get unified on stopping this nonsense. There won't be if these attacks continue.
America's allies and the rest of the West need the oil and gas under SW Asia. They don't necessarily need the people who live there. It shouldn't come to that, yet. All bets are off though, if a WMD attack happens here or in Britain, France or Russia.
The paymasters behind these groups really need to have a come to Jesus moment. If that involves a lot of unexplained accidental deaths in Riyadh, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, so much the better. This shit cannot continue.
Excited yet about the holiday season (and all of the packed shopping malls that implies)?
Oh, and welcome back, Pro Lib.
If that involves a lot of unexplained accidental deaths in Riyadh, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, so much the better.
We also need to kill them while they are on holiday in London, Paris, etc.
And the deaths, while unexplained, should be highly visible and thoroughly gruesome.
And OBVIOUSLY not accidental.
There was an episode of Doctor who last year where they were debating nuking the moon about 35 years from now.
That wasn't The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? Gosh... it all seemed so real...
Maybe we need to use swift blinding violence to make an example of the Muslims. In a big way. Enough to make the whole world take notice. The only thing these animals understand is power, and the willingness to use it. Make them all tremble with fear. Putin, the Chinese, NK, ISIS, Iran, everyone.
Of course, a quisling pussy like Obama is incapable of that. A real president would do it though.
Might be a traitor, can't be a quisling.
Personally I don't care a turd more for Israel than I do for Palestine, and in this case I'm guessing in this case it was North Africans who did the deed (Most French Muslims being North African); I expect rather a big boost to nationalism throughout Europe. Marine La Pen may win the next election.
By and large it's safe to say people (probably even Europeans) won't concern themselves so much with the legality or ethics of random drone strikes by the US throughout the middle east. The gulf between Euro elites and masses will continue to grow; the extreme parties will do very well, and Eurosceptics will also get a nice boost.
Mandatory curfew in Paris...first since 1944
LET THEM EAT BACON!!!
Shit. The only condiment in the refrigerator is ketchup.
OT: This shit is indistinguishable from parody.
That sentence....what the fuck does it even mean?
"There are students here in Boulder that are experiencing what the students at Missouri are experiencing every day," Ferribee said. "There are students being called (racial slurs). There are students here that are being followed. There are students that are being looked at crazy. There are students that are being arrested for no reason.
In fairness, from what I recall, there are like maybe four black people in all of Boulder, so the racists aren't going to have much variety in who they target.
They'll have to do a timeshare thing.
That sounds just like a "Wants more Government. More Government" pic.
So, the white students are using their inherent privilege to conduct surveillance on, and arrest, minority students? Is that what we're supposed to believe?
No silly, armies of KKK are patrolling the streets killing blacks by the score. The Student Body President of Missouri said he was in contact with the National Guard to coordinate a response, it is worse than Paris there !
"There are students that are being looked at crazy."
So Whacky Sam from the street corner moved to Boulder?
Nevertheless, the idea that racism runs rampant in The Peoples Republic of Boulder is hilarious.
I did always find it a little amusing that a city that takes such excessive pride in being progressive and welcoming diversity is also one of the most lily-white places I've ever been to.
In my experience that's generally the case. The progs like the idea of minorities but tend to feel uncomfortable in their presence.
"Looked at crazy." Ya know, it's this kind of shit that has me wondering how many of the black people I cross paths with during the day actually think I'm 'looking at them racist' or some stupid bullshit; I like to think the vast majority would need me to make a pretty messed up face to conclude that I was 'looking at them crazy.'
"Looked at crazy"..........dafuq?
Yeah, most of the black people in Boulder are almost all on the university athletic squads or in the various ethnic studies departments. There's a few locals, but they are few and far between.
And fuckin' LOL at that idiot whining about racism. Boulder is the most left-wing city in the Rocky Mountain region. The white people there hate themselves almost as much as they hate conservatives. Whatever racism they're experiencing is probably due to white people initially reacting to their obnoxious behavior before reminding themselves of their white privilege.
It means this: http://www.jesusandmo.net/
"Attackers reportedly used AK-47 automatic weapons."
So American anti-gun politicians will stop gloating about how "mass shootings don't happen in other countries", right?
Right?
And France has pretty strict gun laws. Those seem to have worked well.
Working as intended - only police can protect you, you have no "right" to self-defense.
Ding ding ding. Winner.
The point of disarming law abiding citizens is to make them helpless before criminals in government or otherwise.
Criminals are a tool of the police state.
Sutler: What we need right now is a clear message to the people of this country. This message must be read in every newspaper, heard on every radio, seen on every television... I want *everyone* to *remember*, why they *need* us!
Serbia is to France as Pennsylvania is to New York.
Does Pennsylvania have a Monument of Gratitude to New York? I think not.
Gun prohibition is good for Prophets.
Guy on CNN right saying how this proves the US needs tougher gun laws and how woefully under equipped US law enforcement is.
The beauty is, whatever happens, whichever way it goes down, it "proves" their point.
^You've got to be shitting me. That's some 1984 doublethink right there.
Well that is their playbook.
"Arab Spring."
I would like to see an Arab winter. A nuclear one.
The worlds shittiest soap right there.
*opera applause*
I read this comment to my husband at breakfast and he started choking on his coffee, causing me to laugh so hard I needed a puff off the rescue inhaler.
Are you some kind of humor jihadist?
T?te de chiffon Dawn, but not like that dimwit remake of Red Dawn.
At least 60 dead. So far.
"We are all Charlie H." - except it is no longer rhetorical.
A lot more are Charlie H.
You know, I think most major news organizations should publish (not republish, as that implies a first publishing) those cartoons tomorrow. Make it a coordinated effort. Spread the risk. Let the world know that we aren't afraid of this nonsense.
Speak for yourself, I very much dislike the idea of dying. Publish whatever you like, what's most important is that whoever helped those guys in any way be found and, if not put down, put in boxes to await being put down after all the proper procedures are completed.
OK, I've added that to the list.
1. Rules in a knife fight...
2. The free exercise thereof...
3. Proper procedures in a lynch mob...
4. Sympathy for the Inventors of the Red Terror and guillotine...
If only France had "common sense" gun control laws, they wouldn't have to endure this "uniquely American" tragedy.
Ouch. I'm sure if you made that point on a liberal blog they would be disgusted at you making a political point in the aftermath of a tragedy, but that's because they're all shameless hypocrites.
I thought that after the charlie hebdo attacks but realistically, how many people, mostly 20 year olds and younger, would have been carrying a weapon? How many people at the restaurants would have been packing, and how would that have stopped a suicide bomber? I'm a strong proponent of gun ownership and anti gun law, but realistically, I don't think this could have been stopped. Just look at the shooters at schools, or in theaters, or in the church? They attack people where they know they won't be stopped too soon.
Alors! OUCH!
Good thinking!
5. Commonsense gun control laws to prevent tragedies like Kent State and Paris. That should do it.
Will Hillary and Obama blame these attacks on that YouTube video also? The election is less than a year away after all.
So this is all about graven images? Wait... doesn't their religion forbid eating Youtube? How would they even know about the video unless Hillary told them?
This is nothing new for France. I was in France with family in 1994 when terrorists took over a TWA plane. I watched on live TV French commandos storm the plane and wipe out the three scum bags. in 1990, French commandos roamed the Orly airport.
I remember that.
When France decides to get real, they know how to get real.
That's why this "French = surrender monkeys" stereotype always baffles me. They have their badass commandos going for them, then there's the French Resistance, whose members knowingly faced the risk of torture and execution and decided to fight the invaders anyway.
The whole Napoleon thing sas pretty cool there too for awhile 🙂
Um... wasn't Vietnam a French opium regie before the Boer War tactics at Dien Bien Phu? I was told De Gaulle's boys were crying for Oncle Sam to nuke those commies for kicking sand in their poor little pink faces. This happenned more than a decade after the South of France ran running out with raised hands cheering the victorious Jerries. Also, the Dutch resistance was what the krauts were scairt of.
ORLY?
This sucks. I hope all the bad guys are dead soon.
I would prefer that a few remain alive for intelligence purposes.
Despite being an American who gives a lot of shit to the French (as is my birth right), this pisses me off.
You don't kick the door off the hinges of one of the world's greatest cities and get away with this. Find whoever did this, give them a nice, legal trial, followed by a nice, legal hanging.
And, last, as Westerner: I'm getting tired of this shit. Yes, we don't know who did this large scale coordinated attack, but I have my suspicions. If Islam doesn't get its shit together soon, kicking down the door of one of THEIR great cities looks mighty appealing.
Seriously, the most prescient thing orson scott card may have had was an irriadiated, uninhabitable Mecca
I think many people agree with this sentiment at this point.
This wasn't just an attack on Paris. It was an attack on the West.
They don't, and I don't know why. There's a lot of people that insist, it's poverty, or imperialism or whatever. They tell us why they do it, they can point to the passages. They're not lying about their reasons.
Yes, and the Germans say the Nazis came to power because the allies were really mean after WWI. Fuck them. Murderous psychos are murderous psychos. If they had a real political purpose they might consider following the examples provided by successful political leaders like Ghandi or MLK. Some civil disobedience might be more effective and vastly more sympathetic.
Um, you don't see the irony of what you just said? Ghandi recommended civil disobedience and nonviolence to the British against the Nazis. I imagine they looked at him like he was insane. Ghandis and MLKs don't work against actual enemies, certainly not enemies who already hate you; they only work against people who already at least have latent sympathies with their cause. Even Ghandi admitted that his methods wouldn't have worked against the French or Spanish; the British were uniquely civilized among European colonial powers. The French and Spanish both fought tooth and nail well into the 20th century to keep control of their colonies, at considerable cost in blood. Ghandi's success is owed largely to the fact that he had a remarkably civil oppressor.
The USA were not "Allies" in WWI. The US entered the fray to collect loans as an Associated Power to recover loans made to the Allies before Russian went communist and quit. Also, the USA was not at war with Turkey, which was Allied with Austrian-German forces, at all during WWI (aka Opium War IV). The US wanted no reparations from Germany other than repayment of the cost of its brief occupation after the surrender. The US also made a separate peace with Germany and was not a party to the Treaty of Versailles. Only in WWII did the US ally with some Europeans after Germany declared war after Congress declared war on Japan.
As soon as they build a great city we can kick its door in. We'll probably have to build it for them, before we blow it up.
They had Baghdad, but Mongols did more than kick the door in on that one. After that experience, I'd probably give up. Or do as Turks did, and just go grab greatest city nearby.
Beruit was the Paris of the mideast.
Now Paris is the Beirut of Europe.
Zing!
If they don't get their act together it is going to be us or them and we will have no choice but to go full Truman on their asses
"You don't kick the door off the hinges of one of the world's greatest cities and get away with this. Find whoever did this, give them a nice, legal trial, followed by a nice, legal hanging."
Plus be sure and hire them a bunch of lawyers so that the process will take years and give them a platform to espouse their murderous ideaology and attract sympathy and recruits.
Fuck that. This is an act of war as are all terrorist attacks by these murderous savages. Try them by military tribunal and then give them their wish and introduce them to their maker.
Try them by military tribunal and then give them their wish and introduce them to their maker.
That's thinking Win-Win!
"You don't kick the door off the hinges of one of the world's greatest cities and get away with this. Find whoever did this, give them a nice, legal trial, followed by a nice, legal hanging."
Plus be sure and hire them a bunch of lawyers so that the process will take years and give them a platform to espouse their murderous ideaology and attract sympathy and recruits.
Fuck that. This is an act of war as are all terrorist attacks by these murderous savages. Try them by military tribunal and then give them their wish and introduce them to their maker.
No just exterminate the lot of them wholesale. And every one of their enablers. This isn't law enforcement, it's war. The faster you recognize that, the better off you are.
Is there a better recent poll out there, from someone reputable, on American Muslim attitudes towards the acceptability of violence to nonbelievers, than that shitty one from the Center for Security Policy? That one that everyone from Breitbart on down was shrieking about that 1 in 3 American Muslims thought violence was dandy towards anyone who insulted Mohammad?
I don't know about that. But millennials are starting to get annoyed that no one is polling them anymore.
But....what DO millennial think about all this?
This site has a bunch of links to polls on that subject. Including one from Pew. I don't recognize all of the, nor do I endorse anon them one way or the other.
http://www.thereligionofpeace......-polls.htm
I hate to bring this up, but we have lots of uranium and still burn oil and gas at peak loads--and rely on Canadian, maybe even FRENCH Canadian nuclear reactors to light up yankeeland. Reason is tie only magazine I recall that published Petr Beckmann warning about just this sort of thing back in the day.
Guy just arrested in Paris says, "We're ISIS."- Fox reporting
But I was told over and over that they weren't a threat to us!
And just today, our amazing President said ISIS was contained. Thank god he is right.
Contained to Eurasiafrica.
"We have always been at war with Eurasiafrica."
+1 Dystopian nightmare
He's probably ululating in celebration at the top of his lungs in a safe room or something.
Contained to anywhere they want to murder people.
Psst. Thank Allah too...
Brit General complained about not being in the air action in Syria a day or so ago.
Telegraph - We are fighting like Israel Now - David Blair.
Just what a Mossad plant would say!
Just to bring some levity to the thread, Waffle House RULES.
Who doesn't love waffles? Where is waffles?
I'm more of a pancake guy
They both have their place as butter and syrup delivery systems.
Just took a sip of my refrigerated 100% pure Canadian maple syrup.. mmmmmm sugar
Waffles or pancakes are sometimes good as a side dish for bacon.
What's wrong with you guys - it's French toast as a symbol of solidarity now!
And afternoon delight with the mistress, to demonstrate your sincerity with all things French.
I...I...like that. Can I also get some superb red wine, cheese and bread?
French toast made with challah bread is the best.
So, is the butter a sort of a primer for the final sugar-coating?
I gets everything nice and slick
Waffles are pancakes with syrup traps.
- Mitch Hedberg
Ah, Mitch....gone way too soon.
"I saw a wino eating some grapes....I told him 'Hey, you have to wait!'"
bleh. Meat and eggs.
Chicken fried steak!
Chicken and Waffles!
*begins drooling*
What, I can't have both?
Space is limited.
I do a nice brunch buffet with my family every few months, and I don't think I've ever made room for pancakes or waffles. That would cut into the time at the prime rib station or with the omelette guy.
Alright, you have a point.
Maybe just a little syrup in a cup on the side than.
Yeah. For dessert I have another steak.
Meat and eggs. Side of fruit and a side of cottage cheese. Sourdough toast, buttered. Black coffee and an orange juice (vodka optional).
Only if the orange juice is garnished with a baby back rib.
Do you weigh 900lbs?
190 lbs. 6 feet tall. Jog 7~10 miles five days a week.
He's telling the truth about that. He's lying about the vodka being optional.
I hear you Playa. Breakfast protein breakfast carbs.
Oops. Missed the greater than symbol in between protein and breakfast. Stupid HTML.
Wafflebot says they serve pancakes in Hell
I love their cheesy eggs
It took Bourdain this long to behold the glory of the Waffle House pecan waffle?
Dammit, man, you need to get out more!
I'm feeling the love. I'm just a freedom-loving breakfast pastry who in this time of crisis is glad to be strong enough to fight for my personal rights to life and liberty.
France 24 is reporting that police have stormed the concert hall where hostages have been held.
About time. I'm sure some of the hostages have been killed already, but hopefully most will survive
I'll go out on a limb with a couple predictions:
1. The anti-immigration folks will go berserk, and Europe will crack down with border controls. Yeah, this one is a no-brainer.
2. It will turn out that all the terrorists involved in this incident have been living in France for years and years. The attacks had nothing to do with newly arrived refugees.
My reasoning? The dream of ISIS-sympathizing jihadis is to go to Syria and fight there. That's where the ISIS folks think armageddon will take place, so why would they want to travel in the opposite direction?
We'll know within a matter of days whether I'm right or wrong on this.
I'll go out on a limb too - you're fucking clueless.
Bear in mind, the Charlie Hebdo shooters were also born and raised in France.
Well fall off the limb and die then because these terrorists in Europe are often homegrown.
Home grown with a sabbatical in the ME to learn jihad. Then they can return easily because they are French citizens.
Western Intelligence (including the U.S. I believe) is warning there are ISIS people among the refugees.
But Western Intelligence also thinks there's terrorists among any group of 20 or more people. This very place had a fucking subpoena placed on it because they thought there might be some dangerous anarchists posting.
Or they claimed to think that as a pretext for official harassment.
You mean there aren't?.....
/derp
so you're saying immigrants aren't assimilating at all.
Yeah, that's sort of the point.
5 attackers = not assimilating at all
Well he was right the anti-immigration turds are hard as a rock over this.
No, not at all. Clearly, unrestricted immigration is just awesome, right? Just ask the folks in Paris.
These MFers were probably born there and grew up in the "slums" being treated like shit their whole lives. No excuse, obviously, but based on the way the attacks went down chances are slim to none that they were recent immigrants.
have been living in France for years and years
As many as five, ten years!
1. Good. It's about fucking time. Might as well shut ours down as well
2. No.
Well, there isn't a whole lot of Dar-El Harb over in Syria to kill, while there is much more if it in Europe.
Wishing they are not refugees misses the boat.
I don't need to go out on a limb to predict that at least some of the perps will turn out to be known concerns, or known associates of known concerns to the intelligence agencies. So one of the big questions will be how they managed to maintain operational security while organizing, training and equipping for the actions.
Arguing over them being or not being "new arrivals" is only important on to the open borders debate.
But, if they are homegrown or semi-homegrown, the questions then becomes about intelligence, surveillance, and security - things that are going to raise huge red flags for anyone concerned about diminishing liberty.
Choose your poison carefully.
IOW - terrorists who recently "airdropped" in for action are a serious problem.
But terrorists who sprang up from the local soil are a tremendous problem.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on moi.
This is gonna happen here.
It almost did once, in Texas. Two attackers with semi-auto rifles almost got out of the parking lot before an off-duty cop/security guard took them out with his Glock 21. I guess they didn't understand the part about "in Texas".
Telegraph -Jeremy Corbyn under fire after saying Jihadi John should have been captured and brought to trial
The leftist and "Libertarian Surrender Monkeys" are in some political trouble.
Look forward to Richman.
Oh god, hopefully Reason will have the decency not to print his regular weekend brain micturation.
We'll at least get Dalmia telling us how wrong France is for closing the border
That goes without saying, but Dalmia stupid is much more interesting to read. It's like reading an alt-history book.
"how wrong France is for closing the border"
Well they obviously are.
Oh Obviously.
What France needs is obviously more Muslims.living in enclaves where non muslims aren't allowed, especially Police and first responders.
Oh Obviously.
What France needs is obviously more Muslims.living in enclaves where non muslims aren't allowed, especially Police and first responders.
Is your cognitive dissonance really that profoundly great in this matter?
For fuck's sake, people, it's a fucking troll. It's like talking to Buttplug.
Oh come on.
I'm *dying* to see Richman Blame America First. Surely, it's got to be our fault.
Sunday Shelderp is a tradition!
According to FOX, 3 terrorists captured and all were Syrian nationals.
Gomer Pyle sez what?
If that is true, Europe is going to have a collective pant-shitting episode.
I'm going to lose my mind if they got the guns from our government.
what difference etc...
Oh man. Could you imagine if these guys were the 12 "Syrian rebels" our government spent millions of dollars training?
They're either all dead in a shallow grave somewhere or living high on the hog off the cash they raised from funneling the weapons we provided to ISIS/Al Nusra.
Do we hand out AK's?
through Benghazi none the less
You mean from Fast and Furious? Lol
Oh that's fair then. Just blowback for French colonization of Syria (1919-1945).
So Obama will of course go ahead and take Syrians into the country after this. Congress will go through the roof but the media and Democrats in Congress will stick by Obama and no one will be able to stop him. Then sometime this spring an attack like this occurs in the US and the perpetrators are Syrians. What then?
Then Obama goes on the air to make sure we know not to resort to Islamophobia, talking heads chatter a bit, and then everything is forgotten. Names of the perpertrators and their acts are scrubbed from collective memory, and US goes on as before.
Seriously, I remember Nidal Hassan, but fuck me if I remember the name of asshole who shot Marine recruiting centre, asshole who murdered El Al employees, or full name of asshole Washington Sniper (I know it's some variant on Mohammed, because of Mark Steyn's Mohammed Theory).
Yup. And Obama is remembered as the man who destroyed the Democratic Party.
Don't confuse a glorious transformation into the New Socialist party with destruction. Free shit springs eternal.
I hope Obama keeps over reaching to the point where the American people vote out/overthrow the democrats in droves. To the point where we get some real hard ass anti communists running things. Them start prosecuting progs for sedition, treason, etc.
It would also be nice if we clamped down on the border for real, and dealt with out immigration problem here before our porous borders start getting us all killed.
Yeah, because communism is a real big threat to America.
It will because of a Youtube video, duh. There's an election coming up, and we can't have people thinking that muslims want to kill people.
According to FOX, 3 terrorists captured and all were Syrian nationals.
I bet they're Buddhists.
NO ISLAM TO SEE HERE.
Wow, I am rather surprised. I expected North Africans who were, if not French-born, at least partially French-bred. This gives more weight to the possibility that it was a coordinated, ISIS attack.
I still habitually think of ISIS as like a Muslim version of the crips, and find it hard to believe that they are that organized. Maybe they're getting there.
My next thought is, why the hell aren't all those FBI pricks who brought down La Cosa Nostra over there in Syria photographing and wiretapping everyone who smells of ISIS, making their little charts of the leadership structures, and then picking them off one by one? Is it just because the FBI agents feel safer staking out some wop's underground poker game in Brooklyn than staking out an underground bomb factory in Aleppo?
For starters, it would be the CIA and NSA that should be doing that kind of work. Unfortunately, the CIA prefers using satellite videos to going out and sending spies out to dangerous places. It was a major criticism by th 9/11 commision. And judging by how they spend their time, the guys at the NSA would rather spy on Americans than actually hunt down terrorists.
See, I can't for the life of me comprehend why sending a few field agents out to dangerous places would be worse than sending tend of thousands of soldiers to dangerous places. Hell they could even pay locals to do the field work for them. Just my thinking on the matter
It turns out that Human intelligence is actually really dangerous and risky, and takes a long time to get results. Yeah, some CIA agent could try to pass themselves off as some disgruntled American trying to join ISIS, but it turns out that terrorist organizations that are being targeted by just about every country on the globe tend to be pretty paranoid. You can't just go in and say "Hey I'm a disgruntled US citizen, I want to join ISIS, please take me to your leader, and give me the precise GPS coordinates where that meeting will take place. Also I have a really bad habit of oversleeping, so I might oversleep and miss that meeting."
As for hiring locals, most ISIS leaders already have big bounties on their heads. OBL had a 10 million dollar bounty on his head, and nobody took the money on the table.
Traditionally the usual way to get the locals involved into spying is to find some true believers, blackmail/extort somebody up the chain, or the occasional honey pot. All of those require that someone on the ground who knows who's who, and their bad habits. Again, that takes a lot of time and effort.
Hopefully this will topple the Hollande government, thus enabling Marine LePen to take the reins and nuke somebody. Because as we all know, the only decent French warriors are women.
Unlikely. Hollande has been more militaristic than Sarkosy was. I suspect he and the Right will compromise on some shared anti-muslim policy.
"I suspect he and the Right will compromise on some shared anti-muslim policy."
This will be only for show. If those who perpetrated these attacks are making demands, the French will eventually, quietly, come to some arrangement with them. Terrorism works because governments understand and respond to violence. It's not only the French who appease terrorism, every government does. French, American, Israeli.
"If those who perpetrated these attacks are making demands, the French will eventually, quietly, come to some arrangement with them."
One, we know you're a fucking idiot, but thanks for reminding us.
Two = Demands? AFTER you murder 100 people? yeah, that's some real negotiating finesse there. You clearly see their subtle long-game.
Three = Who even expects 'demands'? its more-or-less obviously a retaliatory attack for French participation in Syrian bombings. I doubt that shit will actually be curtailed because of this; but its possible the morons in charge might think so.
I think attacks like this happen because the ISIS equivalent of middle-management needs to clean house.
"Man, that Mustafa is such a fuck-up, but I can't fire him, he's the boss's son-in-law...Hey, Mustafa, have I told you about this great martyrdom opportunity we have coming up next quarter?"
So a team building event.
"Team Building Excercise '99!"
States such as France appease terrorism. Terror works if it's persistent enough.
"You clearly see their subtle long-game."
You want to beat an outfit like the French government, you gotta focus on the long game. Take advantage of politicians obsession with poll numbers and the need to appear pro-active.
"its more-or-less obviously a retaliatory attack for French participation in Syrian bombings. I doubt that shit will actually be curtailed because of this"
You may be right. Is there anything about the French participation in Syria that you think is successful and shouldn't be curtailed?
I think you're an idiot and nothing you say adds anything useful
"I think you're an idiot and nothing you say adds anything useful"
I asked what you thought of the French participation in Syria which you speculate precipitated this murder. You prefer to discuss me instead.
That involvement in Syria is worse than useless does not remotely imply that their government will step down involvement after this attack.
If anything it'll make it politically necessary to not back down, even if that previously was the plan.
"If anything it'll make it politically necessary to not back down"
The French government is not going to back down today, or this weekend. Give them time. If these attacks can be sustained, appeasement is inevitable.
Governments rarely appease terrorists in the long run actually. The most egregious example off the top of my head is the Colombian government letting Pablo Escobar build his own private villa/prison where he agreed to be 'imprisoned' if the government stopped bothering his drug trafficking endeavors. Even that was just a means to keep him contained before they could finally take him out.
Governments are in a good position to appease in the short run because, more often than not, they know they'll be able to take back what was lost and more at a later date.
And even if France does respond to this with retreat rather than aggression, plenty of others (most notably the US) will be quite ready to respond with aggression on their behalf.
I should ask, are you basically repurposing something you read by Beaudrillard?
"Governments rarely appease terrorists in the long run actually."
If they are persistent, they will. That's the usual case. I doubt that ISIS has the persistence of say, the PLO which terrorized its way over the years from nothing to the point of having its leader kiss and hug the Israeli PM on the Whitehouse lawn.
Never come across any books by Beaudrillard. Care to advise?
Clovis the Frank may take issue with that statement. He's only been dead for some 1200 years, I don't think it's wise to piss him off.
Charles Martel wasn't a big fan of letting a buch of muslims into France either.
Yeah, he's shaking his head right now.
''You fucken assholes. Do you realize how hard it was to carve France for the Franks?!"
I was just thinking that.
Thank you.
Napoleon took a few thousand troops and handed the Egyptians their asses
This is what you get for not creating a safe space for them to experience their pain. Oh, and YouTube.
"Oh, and YouTube."
With a particularly amateurish vid...
Will Ekaterina (Jihad) Jung write an article that the Parisians killed and the Muslim terrorists who killed them just two sets of thieves and aggressors? That is what Ekaterina (Jihad) Jung said about Pamela Geller to excuse the attempted murder of her and maybe 100 others by her Muslims mascots. Jihad John may be dead, but maybe Jihad Jung can don a black mask and take his place.
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here.".
and closed the country's borders
Well, that's got to be the real tragedy, right?
+1 Maginot Line
In 2002, Chen Keinan's mother and one year old child were killed by a homicide bomber in Petah Tikvah, Israel. With the smug way both Europe and the drive by media deal with the terror against the Jews in Israel (and maybe everywhere else), Chen Keinan gave this warning:
Chen: I'll tell you how I see the future: I think Israel is like the canary in the coal mine, and that's what the Europeans and I am sorry, I know this goes to Europe, and I said different [more positive] things to America [on CNN-USA] ??" but we in Israel are dying now. We are slaughtered on a daily basis, but ??" you're next! You're next, buddies. I understand that you have a lot of Muslim minorities. That's OK, everybody should live where he wants ??" but you are appeasing terrorism! And you hope that if you tolerate it, and try to understand its motives, and you give it reasons, whatever they are, I ask the Europeans: Do not tolerate murder! I don't want to use the word terrorism, because it's banal. Do not tolerate murder, do not appease the terrorists! Not for oil, and not because you're scared ??" because the more fear you show, the faster it's going to be on your doorstep ??" and then, G-d help you, because you gave it legitimacy. And my baby's blood is just as precious as any French blood ??" G-d help these hypocritical people…"
"That's OK, everybody should live where he wants ??" but you are appeasing terrorism!"
Feeding the crocodile, hoping it eats them last.
homicide bomber
You know, as opposed to the other kind. *rolls eyes*
"Suicide bomber" is used to differentiate it from the other kind of homicide bombing. Calling it homicide bombing makes it equivalent to all other homicide bombing, like the kind the US does. I don't think that's the effect you're going for.
Ayaan Hirsi - Islam is to blame - Yahoo News - 11 Nov
What exactly is mainstream Islam? The official schools of Sunni religious law ? the Maliki, Hanbali, Shafii, and Hanafi schools ? are all mainstream among Sunni Muslims. Ibn Khaldun, a scholar of the Maliki school, wrote that "holy war is a religious duty." Ibn Taymiyyah of the Hanbali school wrote that jihad "is the finest thing in this world." And Reliance of the Traveller, the well-known Shafii handbook of religious law certified as authoritative by Al-Azhar University in Egypt, the world's most prestigious Sunni institution, approves of violent jihad. It is true that Shiite Islam offers more flexibility (in theory) for new interpretations. Yet Ayatollah Khomeini's call for jihad led thousands of Iranian children to sacrifice their lives, and his Shiite successors have refused to distance themselves from his teachings.
Ayaan Hirsi
What exactly is mainstream Islam?
You know, Arab Street.
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West old East. You know... morons.
God, I think tonight is Blazing Saddles night.
We clearly aren't killing enough Muslims. If we were, they would be far too afraid to pull this shit. the key is for their fear of us to far outweigh their innate murderous hatred of us infidels. Maybe Jihad John should have been captured and boiled alive in pigfat. All on live TV. Maybe ISIS should be overwhelmingly annihilated. Whatever it takes to put them down.
Great woman, she is. A true intellect. It was a moral crime that the neo Commies of Brandies (self hating creeps) rescinded their award to her or sumping.
"...the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today however, as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically non-existent."
I'm thinking we may have encountered one of those "very rare" cases justifying the death penalty.
Preemptive death penaltty - AKA WAR
France is no slouch militarily. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
If it doesn't get ugly it will be disappointing.
Note that these guys never seem to attack Germany. Even for jihadists maybe there are some sleeping dogs it's just best to let sleep, eh?
In all seriousness, I don't think one big terrorist attack is going to undo half a century of cultural malaise in that continent.
Actually, they kinda are. The Europeans (French/Brits) couldn't even conduct a serious air campaign in Libya without our help. They did manage Mali on their own, but I think they would struggle much beyond that.
"They did manage Mali on their own,"
I thought they had to rely on US airlifts.
I think that's true. Would be a shame if they had a sufficient military they had to pay for themselves.
"I think that's true. Would be a shame if they had a sufficient military they had to pay for themselves."
Why should they when the US Military Industrial Complex is so eager to force the US Taxpayer to do it for them ?
*sigh* Looks like you're right:
And here I thought Airbus was supposed to be so great...
European military is a joke, their logistical support is limited, they can't do crap. They destroyed their defense budget and left it up to the US.
Saw a C-17 take off from LGB today. That is a big fucking plane.
You should experience it from the inside. I flew on a pretty much empty C-17 when transiting through SWA. The cargo consisted of a single box that looked like it could hold a flagpole and about 20 passengers. I swear we could have set up a basketball court in that thing.
That said, a C-5 makes a C-17 look like a Cesna...
Seats are uncomfortable as hell, so crammed together you can barely move. Flew in on them from Manas to Afghanistan. Huge, fit lots of us in it, but no frills. Hate the lack of Windows especially when the pilots start doing their combat entry or exit, yuck !
Never actually flown on a C-5, but I've been on more 17s and 130s than I care for. Thankfully except for a flight into Iraq, they have always been set up for cargo, not passengers. Loadmasters usually let us move around and find a spot among (or on) the cargo pallets to stretch out. Heard stories from a coworker that they actually let one guy string up a hammock between two tie down points.
Only flight that I found miserable on any of them was the one flight on a 130 into Baghdad, and thankfully that was only an hour long. Full flight on one of those means the knee of the guy sitting across from you is only about 3 inches from your crotch.
Bah! I'd take a C-17 over being crammed in a C-130 any day. Try Bagram to Kuwait in one of those crammed full things, ugh.
I flew on a C-5 once, many years ago. Piece of junk, but a fucking BIG piece of junk.
Don't sell the French short. They're terrific slouches.
If states, or organized groups beyond state control, are behind this, war it should be.
But let's also keep open the possibility of trying and hanging the fuckers.
Of course, we can't use U.S. courts - the civil courts will entertain years of appeals, and the military tribunals are not 100% fair.
Arrest - a couple months' trial preparation - a week's worth of trial - if convicted, an appeal to take a few extra months - if conviction and sentence upheld - SPROINNNNNG!
GUILLOTINE! GUILLOTINE! GUILLOTINE!
If you just stick them in prison, then a few years down the line, some new gang of terrorists takes hostages and demands the release of their "imprisoned comrades."
Or there's an "amnesty" or some such rot.
Recall that Saddam was "only" convicted of about 148 murders. That was enough to get him hanged.
The right move is to extract any useful information from this filth when captured. Doing whatever it takes. Then just kill them. We could close Guantonamo tomorrow without fuss. Just liquidate the prisoners first.
Not necessary - this country used to be able to do capital trials and hang convicted offenders without waiting several decades to do it.
Not a dot, not a jot of the Bill of Rights need to effaced in order to bring people like this* to the gallows.
It just takes some pruning back of the statutory and judicial (*not* constitutional) obstacles to prompt and fair trials.
*Maybe not these precise people
They're not American citizens. So that eliminates most of the hurdles. I recall reading that FDR had seven Nazi saboteurs that infiltrated US shipyards executed by firing squad a mere seven weeks after their capture. When we were done with them we were done with them.
This is no different. All it takes is a real president and a little national will. In fact, if the right anger is there in mainstream America, it will be a good opportunity to marginalize progressives who try to protect the murdering scum. A good step to a new blacklist of those with marxist leanings.
The saboteur case was dubious enough that Scalia was worried about it as a precedent.
I'm saying that *normal* capital trials used to be like, ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom, you're indicted, you're tried, the jury decides your fate, if it's death you get to run the whole thing by an appeal court, if they don't see a problem with the trial you go off and get hanged/zapped/gassed.
Consider the gangster Gerhard Puff. In 1952, he killed an FBI agent while trying to avoid arrest. In 1953, he was convicted and sentenced to death. In 1954, he was electrocuted.
Our collective dicks have shrivelled since then.
I don't think it should necessarily be war but the French public will demand it. Any politician who fights it will be swept aside. I don't know who they'll go after exactly but someone's going to be on the receiving end of some unpleasantness.
Fox News reporting 100+ killed in concert hall.
Not seeing that. Seeing 100 hostages, and '40' dead (differing from CNNs 60).
BBC News also saying 100+ citing French police sources. Of course, as we've learned, grains of salt.
Yeah, looks like the 100 figure is now getting clearly reported.
If this were happening in Boston, it could be anything from a real terrorist attack to lighted signs on a freeway underpass.
Fox News: 158
Fucking animals
racist.
Centaine de morts au Bataclan (sources policeres) ?France 24
The live Telegraph feed says 100 dead inside Bataclan.
I've heard on the news over 100 dead in the theater.
That sucks...can't say much more that that.
Again my condolences to the victims, their families, and their friends. And the terrorists can rot in hell.
Confusing headlines. "At least 40 dead" then "100 executed"
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2.....-in-paris/
Lindsey Graham is on Fox advocating for the US going into the ME and "destroying the caliphate"... I mean we haven't tried going to war in the ME yet, I'm sure it will work out perfectly!
I imagine the French people might be thinking the same thing about now.
The French HATE the Muslims. At least the ones I talked to.
Israel: You idiots. You fucken idiots. Idiots.
And your complaint is?
Not complaining. Just trying to guess Bibi's thoughts.
Exactly this. I said it yesterday, and truer today - increasing numbers should be happy that Bibi was reelected.
But why? He allows Hamas to exist in Gaza. He allows the Palestinian Criminal State to exist. He's a dove pussy outside of his strikes on Syria.
He has business in Europe to worry about. It limits his options. And he has Obama to worry about.
Maybe this attack will change some policies in Europe giving Bibi a freer hand.
Cyto,
Bibi is also working with Egypt on the siege of Gaza.
It is a long war. He is also squeezing (slowly) Fatah.
So many forces constantly hamstringing him. Obama, the UN, the EU (including the ant-Semitic French), etc.. Need to untie his hands so he can eliminate them all.
Cytotoxic, I'm still trying to reconcile how you hold these simultaneous positions. How can you be so in favor of open borders and free movement but also for the way people are walled into Gaza and the way Israel handles its "immigration"?
The problem is the 'caliphate' isn't just located in the ME any longer - if it ever was. It's in Paris. Some time ago, Beirut was considered the Paris of the ME until the sectarian violence turned it to rubble.
Just a reminder: The IRA was made up of a tiny minority of Northern Irish Catholics. It only takes a very dedicated minority to seriously fuck up a civil society.
The answer, imo, isn't the Patriot Act or like, but let's stop pretending there are easy answers.
How many people did the IRA kill?
1823, says Wikipedia.
Well, in defense of the IRA (ha ha, my great-grandfather was an Irish Ulster), they were very specific usually in their targeting. They went after political leaders and institutions. They rarely targeted random citizens.
They also (sometimes) gave warning of a bombing. I was in London at the tail end of the bombings, and we went to see the area of the Bishopsgate bombing (I was there about 6 months after the bombing occurred). IRA loaded a truck with about 1k pounds of explosives, phoned in a warning, then set it off. Caused about ?1 billion worth of damage, but only one person was killed - a photographer who ignored the police warnings and went into the area.
I mean, there were a bunch of random people "disappeared" no?
The Caliphate never was just in the ME. Not only are they global, Bin Laden wanted to take back Al-Andalus.
Semi-related: there was a story last week about a soldier being arrested for the 1973 Bloody Sunday killings.
That could be the problem in Europe. Small minority of IRA but not dealt with. When everyone has finally had enough you end up with everyone slaughtering innocents. I could see that repeating in Europe.
"The problem is the 'caliphate' isn't just located in the ME any longer"
I would expect that the caliphate is wherever the Ummah is.
The simp,est answer is this; Muslims don't get along with their neighbors, even other Muslims. So less Muslims equals less problems.
Is there even a caliphate to destroy?
Mecca ?
I'd like to see Jerusalem and Mecca both wiped off the map, but I wouldn't enjoy the blowback from that.
"we haven't tried going to war in the ME yet"
Not really. America has never used Total War in the ME. Even the Afghanistan effort was a half-hearted affair (not without some success). It's always been nation-building or 'targeted strikes'.
Thank god it was half hearted. Would have been a much worse quagmire had the US gone in whole hog.
Sounds simple enough. Should put all of this to bed.
Do it better this time. No holding back. Kill everything related to ISIS. And let nothing stand in our way. And leave nothing to rebuild. Then leave. Our lack of brutality and ruthlessness equates to weakness in the minds of these animals. So show them the error of their ways.
I don't think the west has the stomach for war since the invention of the TV. 9-11 killed thousands and many people don't think we should have done anything. Hundreds of people, in another country, will likely get an even milder response, not a harsher one.
Don't let the leftist reporters in. In fact, we need to start putting an end to those leftist 'reporters' too. A good case can be made for violation of sedition laws for many of them.
So, can we say this attack is Not Okay?
This is NOT OK. This should rock some sensibilities back into shape. A significant fanatical and violent movement is inside the West and needs to be exterminated. At the same time we need to be courageous enough to keep our liberty. The leftist answer to mass shooting is clearly wrong. What can mental health and restricted gun access do to stop this kind of evil?
I feel anger. I don't want to and can't predict the future. But an enemy that indiscriminately destroys the lives of peaceful free people must be eradicated without destroying the freedom that makes our lives hopeful and worth living.
"A significant fanatical and violent movement is inside the West and needs to be exterminated."
This will only happen when the root cause is eliminated. That means getting rid of state sponsors of (anti-western) Islamic terrorism.
Well for once your chickenhawk stance is vindicated. Now we have to see what happens next.
My stances are always vindicated.
"Chickenhawk" = meaningless
I want to kill everyone possibly behind this. And I am a war vet. Am I a 'chickenhawk'?
You're a broken record. You've said the same thing for the last 3 hours. We get it. You hate Muslims and want to rid the world of them. It's not going to happen. Have a drink, take a breath and calm down. Tonights attacks in Paris are terrible, but rambling on about how murdering the Muslims is the only logical response just makes you look retarded. You think America or France can say "XYZ is responsible" and we destroy them and that's the end of it? XYZ have families that want nothing more than a reason to avenge their family members death. Which is why we are seeing what we're seeing with ISIS. I don't know what the answer is, but I think it's been well documented that the Lyndsay Graham approach has been an abject failure.
I don't care about Muslims one way or the other. I see them as an existential problem. One they seem determined to make. Since the are determined to cast us in the role of the infidel, and they in the role of the jihadist, we might as well play the role of the infidel well.
So, just like the First Crusade, which was a response to a century and a half of Islamic aggression, this can become the crusade for the 21st century. Bottom line, they want our attention, now they have it. And they might not like how that turns out in the end.
And for the record, I have said quite a few other things. You would do well to pay attention to all of it. You might learn something valuable. And no need to thank me. I'm a giver.
This was ISIS. What state sponsors them? Or are they a state themselves? Attacking Iran, as you've called for before, will that stop ISIS?
"This was ISIS. What state sponsors them? "
Ooooh, maybe we could be their sponsors and then tell them what to do.
Very well expressed. I wish you were in charge of the operation. Instead, we have liberty hating clowns overreacting to the violence of liberty hating assholes.
118 dead.
My God.
RIP.
Seconded. Horrible.
One of those times I'm glad I'm in the military. Actually may get a chance for some vengeance, primitive response I know, but fuck, this fucking shit. Bunch of pals over there already, but no one is talking about it.
God speed to all those who died and comfort to the families.
It is NOT primitive. It is the ONLY reasonable response.
The Yahoo live feed link says at least 140 dead so far.
- Police source tells AP attackers at Bataclan "tossed explosives into the crowd" and describes "carnage" in theatre.
- Witness at Bataclan tells AFP that an attacker shouted "This is for Syria".
"- Witness at Bataclan tells AFP that an attacker shouted "This is for Syria"."
Crazy talk. They hate us for our freedoms. Ron Paul is crazy to talk about blowback!
/sarc
Your comment seems to indicate that you thought that the French had this atrocity coming?
I'm hearing it'll easily exceed 200.
Tough times in the House of War. Fuck these guys and what they did to Paris.
Islam is a bitch even tho the progressive rags protect religious Islamic murder like spearmint chocolates on the table after fish eggs in gold bowls.
140 dead at least. This will mean war. What do our NATO treaty obligations look like here?
It will be funny to see how Turkey starts squirming under any such obligation.
I'd rather see them get the boot.
In more recent times, NATO was seen by the Turks as a foot in the door to EU membership which ain't gonna' happen. They might just bail.
The funny bit is that frankly they are better off not a part of the EU. Dodged a bullet right there.
Unless this is connected to a state actor (as 9/11 was connected to the Taliban), none.
Rumors that Obama is skipping the G20 summit in Turkey just like Hollande. I wonder if Erdogan is rethinking his support for The Caliphate.
Howard Zinn should write an essay.
I'm sure he can figure out how the US is to blame. He's got that down.
Something about a parrot
That is not dead which can eternal lie
I'm all for turning Cthulhu loose on the ME. Hilarity would ensue.
Think he's already there?
If you're going to use a "raise the dead" miracle, don't waste it.
He's too busy pleasuring himself right now.
He's dead, Jim
Michele should start a hastag campaign
Lol. That guy was the biggest self-satisfied douchebag I've ever had the (dis)pleasure of reading.
I just want to say, that I played "NPR for ten seconds" last night, and I heard a student, blubbering, in uncontrollable tears, saying that she was fearing for her life at 930 in the morning. 930! IN THE MORNING!
This kind of puts 'fearing for your life' in perspective, no?
I don't think anyone's going to be too interesting in listening to what these children have to say for awhile.
If there is any upside to this it is that the media will hand the weepy self-important college kids a 6-pack-of-shut-the-fuck-up and suggest that "maybe you aren't the center of the universe"
Rhy/Gilly,
I didn't want to be the one to say it, but yeah, the blazing heat of the media's spotlight might finally go dark on U of M Triggerati.
And the students will be pissed.
If they want attention, they're gonna have to blow something up.
Don't give them ideas.
http://www.barstoolsports.com/.....than-them/
I'll just leave this here.
Thank you, Rhywun. That's exactly what I was thinking, reading through some of the other threads' play by play of our pathetic version of the Cultural Revolution.
People like that make me wish for another Kent State incident. Except with many more bullets fired at many more filthy hippies.
CNN report on Sunday: Islam is super peaceful and the governments of Islam just want teddy bears to rain from the sky on all the Islamic babies.
Also on Reason on Sunday: Don't knock Islam or you suck old hobo cock.
Everything is groovy in the House of Peace. It really is France's fault. They just won't get with the program.
How about an "in depth" news story reporting French anti-terrorism efforts in Africa and the ME in the last 10 years. And then, subtly, suggesting this is payback.
Add a reminder that French sold weapons to Israel from about 1950 till 1962, and you have yourself a Richman article. Three-pager, I'd say!
Hey man! He supports the troops! I bet you don't support them as hard as he does!
Smilin' Joe! Haven't seen you in a while - how's things?
Good! I'm always around, but I have been mainly lurking lately. I'm experiencing my first maintenance outage at work so have had my hands more than full for the last month. But I love it.
How have you been Raven?
Not too bad. But for some reason, my colleagues decided to ask me to be department chair for three years. I'm already losing my mind over the increased exposure to academic bureaucratic idiocy.
I can only imagine the BS you have to sit through... What department are you in anyway?
History. Most of the stuff inside the dept. is OK (although there is one member who is just a jackass). But it's all the other shit that drives me crazy: female student alleging female faculty member entered a romantic relationship with her - completely false but the bullshit took a month to resolve; General Education requirements; budgets that bear no resemblance to the way the real world works; oh, and most recently I'm supposed to develop an emergency response plan to an active shooter on campus. Said response cannot include weapons b/c not allowed on campus. Also, we all know that a plan developed by a committee will work so well if something actually happens.
Sheldon is on the case! Also peppering in some anti-Israel propaganda as only a self loathing Jew like him can do.
It may be, but looking France's post colonial history is it justified? I will agree that some of our policies do come with some blowback, but is that an excuse to let this stand?
In a particularly inane comment:
"U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon [...] is demanding the immediate release of numerous hostages being held in the Bataclan theater."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....smsnnews11
Well, I'm glad someone had the balls to make such a demand!
Tell me he tweeted it with a selfie while holding a card reading #ReleaseBataclanHostages
Nice.
An hour late, and a GIGN short.
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Just because people focus on the horror of the moment, doesn't mean we forget the oppression, terrorism, murder happening elsewhere. #Paris
I'd tell her to fuck off. Where are innocent people being slaughtered and by whom? What a disgusting comment.
Sometimes a punch in the mouth is the most socially appropriate response.
What a cunt
"Gosh guys, why isn't anyone paying attention to me and what I want to gripe about!"
Fly weight dumbass.
Because terrorists sit around waiting for a phone call from the UN to say "pretty please"
trueman's ready to mediate...
Finally some fucking action !
I wouldn't be surprised if France and Russia team up to wipe out ISIS and the good ol' US of A gets sidelined. The good: USA gets blocked out of the conflict to a degree. The bad: Major war breaks out in the Mideast when France and Russia can't contain ISIS and/or other local nations get heavily involved and the conflict spills over into Turkey and southeastern Iran.
Er, southWESTERN Iran.
Archduke Ferdinand is in the motorcade now.
Well that means he's safe! It's when driver takes the wrong turn, cause no one told him the route changed, that the trouble begins.
Seriosuly, Rebecca West's description of Sarajevo Assassination as two sets of bunglers out-bungling each other is one of the high points of the (generally amazing) book.
If his driver hadn't tried to stop and back up in the middle of the road, the 20th century would have gone a lot differently.
For a while.
I wonder what would would have happened if if the first World War had happened decades later, when science and technology had progressed far enough to have produced the atom bomb.
It is possible that we see a sort of Israel-Russia-France Trifecta thing, but I doubt it because Israel will not let Hezbollah operate in Syria without getting bombed and that could result in serious friction with Russia.
I've seen reports (second had) of Israel bombing the Hezzies with no Russian problem.
Russia wants to keep Assad around. Not necessarily Hezbollah, though Hez has done a bit of Assad's dirty work from time to time. Russia also wouldn't mind if Iran kept buying the other main product besides oil/gas that Russia sells, and no, it's not vodka.
Neither Russia nor France really has the ass or the logistics to project serious power into Syria though. Russia's got maybe two airborne brigades that are worth a shit, without the airlift capability to get them there or support them. France, IIRC, is in a similar boat, albeit they've been getting seasoning in Afghanistan and various W. African dustups for the last decade. Maybe Syria/Western and Central Iraq are small enough that such small forces, given appropriate ROE (by which I mean, none), can control them. But I doubt it.
No, if there's going to be serious combat power deployed to the region, both countries are going to be looking at the U.S. for most of it.
PRO TIP: If a bunch of crazies yelling "Allahu Akbar" take you hostage in an enclosed space, it's not going to be "ok" if you just do what they say.
Never ever let them take you hostage. Better to die fighting right there. It's your only chance really.
As far as we know most of the hostages are going to survive.
?
that's a bizarre presumption. the last piece of news was that the cops stormed the theater, then about 10 minutes later the death toll had been upped by "40"+
The number of hostages was in the hundreds. But all these figures are probably unreliable at this point.
The point is that you're more likely to survive by compliance in a situation like this than by fighting guys with automatic rifles with your bare hands (which is presumably all the French patrons would have). It would be a different story if they were transporting the hostages -- then you'd want to get it over with before they take you wherever for torture purposes.
"The point is that you're more likely to survive by compliance in a situation like this than by fighting guys with automatic rifles with your bare hands'
I like how in one breath you assert we know absolutely nothing about what actually happened and that any information is sketchy at best...
...then assert with confidence what 'is most likely' when people are faced being held hostage with mass-murderers who have no apparent goal other than the highest possible body-count
Did i say bizarre before? I think this might need a new adjective.
So wrong. So very wrong. These situations are quickly ended by a fierce and dedicated violent action with whatever weapons are at hand. There's almost six thousand years of human experience recorded on the matter.
Complacency doesn't work.
Yeah and that's what they used to tell airline passengers.
We as free human beings must always be willing and ready to fight. I know it is easy to say from my couch. But it is the only way to reduce the likelihood of events. If people are always going to fight back, then these events become "2 people wounded, 1 criminal dead in incident in Paris" then "100 people executed in terrorist attack"
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The number of hostages was in the hundreds. But all these figures are probably unreliable at this point.
The point is that you're more likely to survive by compliance in a situation like this than by fighting guys with automatic rifles with your bare hands
If hundreds of unarmed people attack a few armed killers the killers are going down.
It just happened a few weeks ago when three Americans took down a muslim killer with a automatic weapon.
You go ahead and die with a muslim dick in your mouth. I'm attacking the fucks. I don't mean that lightly nor is it just talk. Ive never been in the military but I've been shot at and I've put my life in jeapordy in two emergency situations.
You die your way, I'll die mine. Though hopefully neither of us will ever have to make that determination
Everyone dies, at some point you may have to choose how you live.
Ut Vivant Alii
The people on Flight 93 figured that out.
After I saw the documentary on Terry Anderson and the mind fucking and physical deprivation they did to him for almost 7 years as a hostage I knew I would never allow that to happen to me. That was even before 9/11. If was horrible. I recommend watching it if you ever have the opportunity.
Thanks for the rec.
This is why we need more concealed carry holders.
Explosions and Shootouts -- Israeli punk band of the week!
It's too bad the Covert Comic was tortured and killed in Uzbekistan.
Extreme heat + sand = Beautiful glass.
Meccite.
Ok, so you kill a few million Muslims. Now the other 998,000,000 are really pissed off. Blowback maybe?
Like I always say, with out Muslims, there can be no Islamic violence.
I wonder how this would have gone if France had legal concealed carry.
About the same, seeing as:
1. Even in US states that have legal concealed carry, many city dwellers aren't the type to do so
2. Most concert venues have no-guns policies anyway
"many city dwellers aren't the type to do so"
It only takes one.
As Paul points out, even if I am carrying my glock 27 with an extra 10 round magazine, I may not survive very long against multiple AK wielding attackers.
Now, if I'm carrying my M16 PDW (10.5" barrel) and a spare 30 rounder, I may last a bit longer.
The problem with the PDW is that open carry pretty much guarantees you will be the first one ambushed.
The problem with the PDW is that open carry pretty much guarantees you will be the first one ambushed.
This.
Those who look "tacticool" are #1 target.
That's why I covered my FAL with Hello Kitty stickers.
Nice.
What happens when other hostages start firing at the multiple AK bearers?
Armed hostages have the advantage that the terrorists don't know who or where they are until they start shooting.
I'm not going to armchair quarterback this. I carry everywhere it is legal to do so, and I would do my best in a situation like this, but I have few illusions about how it would end up in the worst circumstances.
AKs vs pistols. Barring a lucky shot or two, RIP.
Distance to shooter etc. As DB said above, armchair quarterbacking is tough.
I do think there is some evidence that the act of shooting at them can put them off balance, cause them to take cover. You could simply create an opportunity for people to flee, thus saving lives.
If I recall the Nigerian mall attack bears this out.
I think the balance of power is better if the pistol fire comes from multiple sources.
Worth a try, though.
AKs vs. no pistols.
RIP with no lucky shots.
Take you pick.
Good point.
I carry most everywhere, but not work (can't) and wouldn't at a concert.
Even if I were carrying at a concert I'm not sure how much help it would be - hitting and incapacitating a moving target in a crowded enclosed space being damn hard.
I suspect not much differently.
I'm a major proponent of conceal carry. But again, as someone who carries in an urban place- a place more likely than flyover country to be attacked- I'm probably one in a few hundred who carries.
I carry a 5 round .45.
Even if I carried a 14rd Glock, how many fully loaded terrorists with AK 47s am I going to stop before another one kills me.
I don't know the details of the attack, how many terrorists were in each location or isolated attack.
Don't get me wrong, conceal carry is better than carry ban. But in a major, coordinated attack, not sure how big a dent it would make. You might save a few lives-- you might not.
I remember watching the videos of the Mumbai attack though, and it was clear to me in that case that one person with a goddamn six shot revolver could have made a MAJOR difference.
I think even a few poorly placed shots at the terrorists could put them off balance and let some hostages escape.
Entirely possible.
Speculating on this detail from CNN and presuming there weren't other that were arrested... it sounds like one carrier could have seriously disrupted 100 people dying.
10 out of 200 hostages being armed could have ended the attack.
Probably not going to happen in LA or NYC, but in Philly, Houston, or Atlanta it would be a safe bet.
I'm guessing in most Blue Urban areas, getting 10 out of 200 armed is a pipe dream. I'd honestly guess 1 out of 500 is a reality in US cities where concealed carry is legal.
Having lived in shall-issue big cities, that seems awfully low.
I can't say. I only speculate based on hunches, the personality profiles of people I personally know and associate with, and the general anti-gun politics of the city I live in.
In my city (Long Beach, CA pop. 500,000) I think if you tried this shit at a bar or nightclub on Pine Ave., you'd be seeing a lot of hot lead coming right back at you.
Hey, don't get me wrong, having Snoop Dogg's crew driving around in a six fo' has its benefits.
The day ISIS tries this shit in the hottest, sweatiest, most dangerous dancehall in Kingston, Jamaica will be... Well, never.
In Texas it probably would have ended about the same as it did for the shooters at the 'draw Muhammed' contest.
Everyone thinks "terrorists" doing these run'n'gun exercises are some sort of superman. They aren't. Their main claim to fame is shooting back and retreating when met with force, instead of killing themselves like US school shooters.
You are very right that arms in the hands of the targeted crowd could have made a difference. Maybe not, but maybe so.
If terrorists are anything like other killers, they're more likely to shoot up a place the more certain they are that no one is carrying. So anywhere that it's legal to carry will be seen as riskier than a place where it isn't. The deterrent effect is still there even if most people don't take advantage of it.
Yep - I think you're spot on.
I don't concealed carry for a variety of reasons, but I respect those who do. And don't think it would make a whole lot of difference in a large-scale attack. But maybe - you never know.
As for France - chickens are comin' home to roost, near as I can tell. We'll see as things go forward.
Fuck every single one of the terrorists, and may they die a particularly- horrible death.
"chickens are comin' home to roost, near as I can tell"
Such are the wages of letting state sponsors of Islamic terrorism exist.
and such are the wages of letting certain groups reach a certain mass. It's not like the assimilation process of Muslims into France has resembled an actual assimilation. I can't imagine what might possibly go wrong with the current crush of newcomers.
It's a concert. They (as a private event) would demand that you hand the piece over before attending.
I should say, not a country music, or Serbian turbo-folk concert, to be pedantic.
Many large public events here do wand searches and don't allow guns. This is a shall-issue state.
Sky News for awhile had a guy bitching that he'd normally carry today, but couldn't because he was going to the France/Germany game. He may have been a cop though.
As I see it, most of these guys aren't going to be CAG/ST6, or even well-trained infantry, used to working together. If they start taking fire, they may not act like the usual nutjob who shoots up a shopping mall and starts looking for a place to hide and eat a bullet, but they aren't going to conduct a React to Contact drill either. Close distance, and through violence of action, do your level best to kill them before they reorient on you.
Easier said than done, of course. Oh, and carry something that'll defeat soft armor. Eventually, all of these nuts who the media first say are wearing body armor, are going to start doing it. COM doesn't work on a guy with a vest. Ask Mark Wilson. (You'll need a Ouija Board.)
Tacit Rainbow, didn't see your post before mostly repeating it with mine.
I wonder if there would be school shootings, shootings in a church, or in a theater if we had legal concealed carry.
I wonder if French people would ever band and engage in their own attacks.
Europe is good for that I reckon.
That ship has sailed.
France24 very, very carefully suggesting it might be Islamic terrorists. But, they don't want to rush to judgment.
Well they do border Germany
Boom.
Shit now some stupid presenter is saying that witnesses at the concert hall said the attackers were yelling Allahu Akbar. BUT, BUT, BUT, this is social media so let's not jump to any conclusions.
They were shouting "Free Kim Davis!" and "repeal Obamacare!"
nice, Eddie 🙂
"Starbucks struck first...at Christmas!"
RED CUPS RULE!
"Living wage!"
Strangely, this is slightly closer to the truth.
Well, clearly if the terrorists had $15 per hour minimum wage, an admission of white privelige, free college, and a safe space available to them, then none of this would ever have happened.
you do good, eddie
I actually agree. I think too much fucking "original" reporting relies on fucking tweets. Funny how the news finds THIS moment to get squishy on Twitter.
This.
Well, that was my point albeit poorly expressed. Twitter & FB are fine sources, except now.
the news frequently gets squishy when narratives are not followed. Were any swastikas founded drawn onto anything, for instance?
"Shit now some stupid presenter is saying that witnesses at the concert hall said the attackers were yelling Allahu Akbar. "
Those witnesses were obviously Racists Racists Racists!
The attackers were clearly saying "Aloha Snackbar!".
No Islam to See Here!
Who else could it possibly be?
This is a coordinated strike which requires some level of devotion to a common ideology.
I think theres another serious implication here which people havent' considered.
And i don't want to sugarcoat it. It aint pretty.
....
....
Stossel might get cancelled again.
*stunned silence*
If people need a safe-space to deal with this, i understand.
I....I....I just wish I could have had a Trigger Warning....
You and the French...
I thought nothing could be worse than the Gilmore Girls coming back.
Don't worry, i keep them safely locked in my basement
Thank you!
Lol
Give me a break.
I'd better not hearing anyone trying to link this to Arabs or Islam till all the facts are in and all the bodies counted.
RIP to the dead, and may God rest your souls.
"May you live in interesting times."
-attributed to an "ancient curse"
Fucking Mongorians!!
You made me spit Gin-n-Tonic on my new monitor, damn you!
Cue the "Ben Carson would have run at them" jokes, because trying to defend yourself is pointless.
A gun would help.
"There has been no official comment on motive."
They're Moslems. Since when have they needed a motive?
72 virgins, Bitch.
Oh yeah...I forgot about that.
Seems like a good time for my favorite scene from my (quick count) third favorite movie.
I like "anyone else wanna negotiate?" from "The Fifth Element".
That is a classic.
+1element
Terrible movie.
*You're* a terrible movie.
*shurgs*
It was French.
You remind me of Ruby Rhod.
Great film. The only one I've ever seen twice in a theater.
That is an outstanding scene. One of the reasons it is so powerful is that many of the extras were exiled French citizens singing from the heart. (And the actor playing MAJ Strasser was an escaped German Jew.) I consider the movie to be the 2d best propaganda movie ever made. It hit all the right strings at the time of release.
I really like how that clip was cut, giving stuff before and after the scene.
Scene Before: Bogey is being a dick, and throwing a jealous hissyfit. He's not even being a cynical businessman, just a petty asshole
Just Before the Scene: Oh wait, he gives the go ahead for the Marseillaise even though he knows he'll get in trouble
The Scene that makes me want to learn French and/or shoot Nazis.
Right after, to keep the movie from being too schmaltzy, possibly the best line in the history of cinema ("I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!")
At least 158 people have died.
Fuck you, Mizzou student protesters. Fuck you and your fucking microggressions.
Why did everyone stop looking at us! Wah!
Since they're in Missouri, maybe some rednecks can come in and beat the shit out of those little faggot students. Maybe grab a few of the main agitators like that cunt that threatened the student reporter and drag them behind their pickups.
"What Pisses Me Off About The European Migrant Crisis" -- Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOLcMqdpls
http://warprayer.org/
The problem with destruction is that it yields destruction. I am angry but I know retribution has a cost.
That cost should be paid with an ocean of Muslim blood.
One people have volunteered to pay. The cost of retribution to Americans is just financial.
It's happening.
You know who else terrorized France....
speaking of which, apparently they're under the first city-wide curfew since 1944
Attila the Hun?
Bastiat?
Those folks eating cake?
Ragnar?
Julius Caesar?
Mickey Mouse?
MacDonald's?
Tariq ibn Ziyad
Too soon dude, too soon. And by that ii mean that I was going to post "you know who else bombed Paris?"
Jerry Lewis?
The Visigoths?
Everyone
Soap?
Allow me to win for stupidest Facebook comment I saw tonight:
"McDonalds and WalMart are greater threats to our country than ISIS".
I give up. It is hopeless
are you fucking kidding me?
Ugh. I'm out.
If I could post a screen cap I would.
http://imgur.com
It's true in the sense that ISIS is not a threat to the United States. It is a threat to our allies and some of our interests in the region, but that's the extent of it.
No they're still a threat to the US. Not an existential one but they will murder Americans for their freedoms. Same with AQ.
It seems that FB commenter sees affordable goods and shitty burgers as a serious threat.
By that standard, polar bears and bathtubs are threats to the US.
WTF? Have polar bears and bathtubs been killing cartoonists lately?
Inanimate objects don't count as threats (bathtubs can only kill you with your voluntary exposure, or when used as a weapon).
That's just the same weird animism as the one driving gun grabbers.
Arguably polar bears aren't threats because you can just stay away.
ISIS is going to try and fuck shit up. They're a small threat (and I don't think it's one that requires direct US involvement to wipe out), but it's a different category.
We're probably more at risk (well our civilians, anyway) from independent crazy ISIS-wannabees than from actual ISIS members.
It's easier to stay away from ISIS than it is to stay away from bathtubs.
Not really. Use a standalone shower.
ISIS agents can in theory get into any remotely free state. Statistically they're unlikely to ever be a threat to you specifically, but that matter is 100% out of your hands.
I haven't taken a bath in a tub in over 20 years but I saw an ISIS walking down the street just yesterday.
You don't have to take a bath in one to die in one. That's why they're so insidious.
I think I covered this with "used as a murder weapon". Or are they likely to fall from the sky at a moment's notice?
At the very least, ISIS is a small threat. Whereas McDonalds and WalMart pose No Threat Whatsoever. It's completely wrong and incredibly moronic to boot.
^^^ exactly
ISIS is only LESS of a threat than WalMart if you accept that WalMart IS a threat
Welcome to Full Retard Facebook. It's the modern update on Full Metal Jacket.
GET. OFF. FACEBOOK.
People like that are why I own guns.
I thought I was why you owned guns.
There can never be enough reasons
Lou Dobbs makes important point =
It is possible that John Kerry and James Taylor did not have the effect we anticipated in reducing terrorist animosity with France
John Kerry can kiss my ass for exploiting James Taylor.
That episode was sophomoric as it was embarrassing. I'm still face palming that one.
He (Dobbs!) actually made a good point in the context of that = that the reaction to Charlie Hebdo was "everyone lets have a hug and move on"
No one even bothered to suggest,
"what makes you think if they murder people over *cartoons*.... that they'll stop there"?
A guy being interviewed on FBN who was present near one of the Paris attacks makes a similar point...
....which was, after initial news of one shooting, people in Paris had the impression that it must be a singular event, and were circulating around in the street chatting, 'acting like that was it'... that it was over...
....then they heard that it was a guy with a machine gun...and he was on the loose... and then the explosions occurred, and - like the second plane hitting the WTC - immediately the obviousness that "this is indiscriminate terrorism" became clear, and everyone dropped their cellphones and cleared the street ASAP
Ah! Lou Dobbs.
*applause*
ISIS membership claimed by arrestee
This is not an attack on universal human values we all hold
This is proof yet again we do not ALL hold these values and we know several groups that do not
Why is it that all you have to do to be considered a member of ISIS is to say so, but when I go to BJ's and forget my card they make me go to the customer service desk and give my phone number.
It is entirely possible he's lying/posturing
Otoh, reports 'this is for Syria' were heard as well as Allahu akbar screams, and the one arrestee is claiming ISIS membership
I realise this is not alleged police misconduct so knee jerking is not favoured however it's LIKELY ISIS
Isis membership is probably more like progressive membership. If you say you are, you are. Don't think Isis is taking names and handing out discount cards.
Gosh... gee willikers.... Didn't the French ambassador to Britain say Israel was that "shitty little country threatening world peace"? Didn't French 24 tv post that phony shooting of Mohammed al Dura and bring about another intifada and world wide condemnation for Israel? The French don't deserve this, eh wot? All that antisemitism; all that appeasement didn't help the cheese eating surrender monkeys of France. Je me rends!
My humble rrench musical offering
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!!"
Your message would get across a lot better if you weren't so fucking gleeful about the French getting murdered.
My message, judging from your message, got along very clearly, Mr. Christophe. I just threw the last hyperling in because... I don't know -- because I should take some of the sting of my posts.
I'm really not looking forward to the political posturing tomorrow. Guess I'll stick with football.
People feel obligated to do something, so it will infect everything tomorrow.
huffpost et al are already penning articles handwringing about the awful effects we are/will
See:more islamophobia
French being slaughtered and leftie hand wringers lamenting the islamophobia fears
And calling it a 'tragddy'
The word is ATROCITY
Justin Trudeau giving press conference. First question: will these attacks lead you to reconsider withdrawing Canadian Defence Forces from the fight against ISIS?
I'd be interested in hearing that response. I don't even oppose getting out of there with the joke of a leader in charge.
It's going to be a big test for Sparkles. Harper was very serious and strong on security measures.
Much to the detriment of our civil liberties = C-51
Hahahahahaha, who's going to ask that? Mansbridge?!
Fuck no, this is just going to be another blowjob for Trudeau. "We stand with French people, we will do anything they ask (provided they ask for things we are willing to do)", he'll stand in a black coat suitably pensive before Climate Change Conference with other assholes pretending to honor the victims, then do whatever he was going to do anyway (ban some pipelines, commit the country to carbon tax and 20% cut in CO2 emissions, who the fuck knows).
Is it frowned upon for Canadians to overthrow this douchebag violently?
From Reddit:
"Opinion: The goal of these attacks is to make the West hate muslims indiscriminately. No matter how upset we are, we must resist this. We must remember that IS is doing this to other muslims in Syria every day, and welcome them as
refugees and allies.
/u/Stereo "
There is another way
You are a pussy hair away from being labeled a terrorist posting REM here. You're on the watch list now.
But that's a good song!
Possibly their last good song.
/old REM fan
I was really pleasantly happy with New Adventures in Hi-Fi. Everything after is blech.
My god... your film taste applies to music as well? .....
I forgot the trigger warning.
But they're so deep
https://youtu.be/AKKqLl_ZEEY
That is the song that made me realize they're starting to lose the plot. It sucks.
GAHH!!~! STOP!!! I'LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING!!!! JUST STOP!!! OSAMA IS IN PAKISTAN!!!! THE SECRET INGREDIENT IN COKE IS ROCKSALT!!! JIMMY HOFFA IS BURIED UNDER IKEA!!! JUST PLEASE NO MORE... (weeps uncontrollably)
"We must remember that IS is doing this to other muslims in Syria every day, and welcome them as
refugees and allies."
This part is actually true. The attackers in Paris are the people that the refugees are fleeing from.
It's not true that everyone being welcomed as a refugee is one
True, but that is the price of freedom.
Will this turn them away from France? Since the attackers in Paris are what they are running from, and all.
Same dynamic as AQI sending women and children as suicide bombers to US military roadblocks. All it takes is one of those incidents, and the soldiers will start shooting at anybody that comes close and doesn't immediately follow orders. Resulting in incidents of innocents being shot by our troops, which helps AQI recruit more suicide bombers. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
Well put. The first goal of all extremists is not to get rid of the opposite extremists, but to get rid of the moderates.
As surely as campus shootings bring out the hoplophobes, the terrorist attacks bring out the xenophobes. Both are disgusting anti-freedom degenerates who wield asinine emotionalism and dead bodies as cudgels.
The terrorist attacks bring about a few people noticing a common thread with previous terror attacks.
That's cute. Guess what? That's exactly what the hoplophobes say!
there is no phobia in noticing that Muslims are behind the vast, vast majority of such attacks. It's not Mexicans, it's not crazed Baptists, it's not the Teahadists, it's not anyone else. Nothing irrational to noticing that a particular groups of sentient beings is frequently involved in a specific type of activity. People, not inanimate objects.
Muslims are behind the vast, vast majority of such attacks
What other attacks are you including in this? This isn't a common occurrence.
The German pilot who intentionally crashed a jumbo jet plane into the Alps and the Norwegian guy who murdered scores of schoolchildren on vacation are going to require a lot of examples to overwhelm.
this big a list or bigger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_ of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks#2010s
You can't really point to mass killings perpetrated by Muslims in Muslim countries as evidence.
It's evidence of Muslim violence. Honestly, any attempt to claim Islam isn't the common thread is retarded at this point.
does the location somehow mitigate things? You can't point to events perpetrated by Muslims damn near anywhere. And that was from a short period of time. At least the mass shootings here have involved mentally unstable people.
Then why do Christians terrorists in "Christian" countries count?
Did the German and Norwegian use their terrorism as a political tool to affect change?
Andy Tomato was a narcissistic sociopath with no political motive. Andy Brevik was a terrorist.
Tucson mass shooting: young white male
Aurora mass shooting: young white male
Newtown mass shooting: young white male
Charleston mass shooting: young white male
Anybody see a common thread? Bring on the deportations.
yes, the common thread was mentally unstable people. Totally the same thing.
yes, the common thread was mentally unstable people. Totally the same thing.
You forgot the actual common thread, gun-free zones
The Tucson Safeway wasn't a gun free zone. Not sure about the church in Charleston.
Yeah, it was an exception. First public mass shooting in US since 1950 that wasn't at a gun-free zone.
The Charleston killer decided to go to the church after he realized his original target, the College of Charleston, had armed guards
Actually no
White and male are physical descriptors. Muslim is an ideology like progressivism, or Nazism. Judging people for things they believe is okay. It what you're supposed to do.
That's a bingo! And all of them are equally evil.
Clearly... these attacks are the fault of the Jooos.
http://constitution.com/100000.....an-cities/
This is a goofy source but if the 100,000 number is an exaggeration, it is not a very large one. What happened in Paris tonight will happen in a US City before the summer. It is almost a certainty given tonight's events.
cue someone calling you something in 3, 2, 1.....
Well I'm relieved. John says there's going to be an attack so it probably won't happen.
I thought it was the price of freedom
An occasional attack like this kind of is. Breivik killed a bunch of people too. It happens. We can mitigate it with widespread gun carry, a functioning economy, and drone attacks on would-be organizers of attacks. Also, no states that sponsor terrorism against your country.
An occasional attack like this kind of is.
Over 100 people dead in a span of a few hours is not something normal people cheerfully accept as the price of freedom. On the contrary, it's clearly a sign that any shred of freedom they might have is seriously being threatened. Economies don't function when people are reasonably concerned about being gunned down.
Look, it's easy. Let everyone in, just make sure someone else does the dirty work for you before any of the bad ones get here.
Not just let them in.
Spend $16,000 per person on relocating them and then more tens of thousands of dollars a year supporting them in perpetuity. Because RACISM, or something.
The people running this country are truly insane.
Ironically, your example of Breivik illustrates my point better than yours. That is not the price of freedom because it was exactly the lack of freedom to self-defense which allowed him to carry out his plan. Also, when you call violent incidents the "price of freedom" you're only giving fuel to the arguments of gun control advocates who believe the same thing but come to the opposite conclusion.
Violence is always a lack of freedom, whether it comes from an individual or a group or the government.
You told me this wasn't going to happen. I said two months ago the refugee crisis was nothing but a new development in asymmetric warfare. And you said no. It would make Europe more free. How is that working out tonight as they close the borders?
You are dangerously stupid. People like you are what helped enable this to happen. You can't get it through your thick skull the world doesn't conform to your fantasies.
"I said two months ago the refugee crisis was nothing but a new development in asymmetric warfare. And you said no."
And I was right. A refugee crisis isn't a 'development in assymetric warfare'. Europe has had lots of terrorism before.
"How is that working out tonight as they close the borders?"
Immigration is always working to make us free. The government fucks it up.
"People like you are what helped enable this to happen."
FUCK YOU and your pants-shitting security state fantasies. We've all heard this routine John: you can't be free because _____. Fuck off slaver.
These were Syrians. They came there to do this you delusional half wit.
"People coming over to commit attacks" is not a new thing. Iran's done it for decades. Refugee crisis not needed. Some 'innovation'.
No, they weren't Syrians.
of course, anyone noticing reality is a slaver or a statist or whatever. Immigration can help with freedom but not when you're letting in people who have no interest in it and no desire to be part of a free society. Did Sweden fuck up immigration when it turned out that letting in Muslims some years back turned out to be a bad idea? Did France fuck it up and cause this?
"Did Sweden fuck up immigration when it turned out that letting in Muslims some years back turned out to be a bad idea?"
It was not a bad idea. They need all those people.
"anyone noticing reality is a slaver or a statist or whatever."
You beat that strawman. Beat him good.
You beat that strawman. Beat him good.
Just how drunk are you? Your own rant at John in this section is exactly what I said - slaver, statist, blah blah.
It was not a bad idea. They need all those people.
and the violent crime that followed was worth it? You should explain to the rape victims why that is.
They absolutely need a shit ton more welfare cases. It's almost like pickled herring to them.
Apatheist well describes how hypocritical pieces of shit like you are hucking out our freedoms.
when another incident occurs and absolutely no one is surprised at who is behind it, please explain how the likes of John are taking away your freedoms.
I will.
you could start by explaining how John took your freedoms away with this incident, with anything he said or thought prior to it.
So how exactly does Sweden need a large number of non assimilating people with an ideology that differs so drastically from Swedish society ?
Was Sweden seriously lacking in no go zones for swedish natives ?
You have no idea if this has anything to do with the refugee crisis. You don't know who did this, where they come from, when they arrived in France (if they weren't born there), how long they have been planning this.
It's still ongoing, for fuck's sake. Hold your hysterics until the morning, at least.
We have a pretty good idea they're Muslim. We know Muslims commit more terrorism than anyone else around the world by a large margin. So we can do the simple math that importing Muslims from other countries, particularly ones with violent Islamic terrorist problems is probably a bad idea.
No, you can't. Moron. They could all be French citizens as far as you know.
Moron.
"They could all be French citizens as far as you know"
He didn't say they weren't, he said they were Muslim, and that since the reason they are so evil is because they are Muslim, it would be sensible not to import lots of people from a high-risk population.
+1 Camp of the Saints
Fuck me. I go away to have a drink, and the death toll has tripled since I checked in, with the suggestion that a lot of those are the hostages in the concert hall. Fucking hell.
You can't reason with these people or deter them. Worse, the hide in the Islamic population such there is no way to tell who they are until it is too late. The solutions to this are all bad If we don't step up and face that, we will have a solution forced on us; death.
Hollande statement after visiting the theater: "We are going to lead a war that will be pitiless"
Hopefully it's as effective as the Mali effort. Can we just do that over and over?
Good. I am tired of mawkish bullshit. My heart isn't with France. My hatred and rage are. Kill those fuckers.
Haha, over/under on when the "stop the anti-Muslim backlash," "Koran is peace," "Not All Muslims" train rolls out?
As for his "war", I'm guessing, two extra air raids over Raqqa and out. Then pass the law allowing more spying and a law defining more hate crimes, both to be primarily used against non-Muslims, because otherwise it will be racist.
"We"? Sure, John.
Yes you fucking retard. These very same sorts of people are lose in this country. Sorry but I am not watching people in this country die so nitwits like you can feel good about yourself.
OK... what are you going to do, exactly? We already know you're going to vote Republican.
Whatever you do, you've made it clear it is for our own good, so it must be justified.
" These very same sorts of people are lose in this country. "
We can rest assured that there are probably few such people in America. John has a way of being a reverse compass on these issues.
It's the UK Mirror, but...Calais migrant camp 'on fire'
IIRC, there have already been several migrant camp fires in Germany.
I'm surprised the peacenazi strike force hasn't arrived yet to chide us for having 'warboners' and being 'neocons'.
You have a neocon warboner.
This also doesn't count as blowback, right?
No. These people want to murder you. They don't give a fuck what you think and have their own reasons for doing so.
No. These people want to murder you. They don't give a fuck what you think and have their own reasons for doing so.
And they'll be happy to adopt the blowback argument themselves to win hearts and minds.
Did the Hebdo attacks precede France's Syria campaign? Because if so then I'd say that campaign is blowback for Hebdo.
Like most people here, you have no idea what a neocon is. None.
So if it's confirmed that they had said, "This is for Syria," it is still not blowback?
Lets give a little time for info to come out no?
If ISIS struck first at Hebdo, then this is just the back and forth in France's campaign to defend freedom of speech. Even if France did strike first, then it really doesn't make that big a difference ISIS has to go for the sake of our freedoms.
MJ this is a back and forth since the begining of Islam and it is a war by Islam against anything that does not submit to Islam.
Do you think History began the day of your birth ?
Makes no sense being pro-open-borders and pro-war. These two things are incompatible.
I hope all you emotional pants-shitters and political opportunists advocating liberty infringing government action based on these attacks keep your mouth shut the next time there is a school shooting and the gun-grabbers climb over the dead bodies to advocate for gun control. Even if the death toll continues to go up there will be more gun deaths in Chicago alone this year. Even 9/11, an attack of much greater severity, was a statistical drop in the bucket of American deaths. This is no more of a justification for closing the borders (and how the fuck does a terroirst attack in Paris have any bearing on our border with Mexico, wtf?) or our government discriminating against people on the basis of religion.
But please tell me more about how you need the government to put you in a "safe space" away from all the scary immigrants and Muslims using tax dollars stolen from my back pocket. Or don't because I'm gonna go play Fallout 4.
This.
Is FO4 good? I've heard disappointing things about it.
Don't you fucking even. I have been traveling traveling for work all week and my first chance to play FO4 is currently being ruined by being in the ER with my violently vomiting girlfriend.
Sorry to hear that. Hope she gets better.
Sorry again but...you know how you have to mod Bethesda games to make them, well, good? Or even functional? Apparently FO4's coding is such a mess that it's basically unmoddable.
Most of the reviews I've seen have said that it's surprisingly stable for a Bethesda game. Not that there are zero bugs, but it isn't the hot mess that FO3 and New Vegas were at release.
As for the mods, there are a few out there, but since a modding tool hasn't been released yet it's a huge hassle to make a mod at the moment. Based on Bethesda's past history, they will probably release a mod tool around January or February, and after that you can expect to see a massive amount of mods being created.
At about 8 hours in I'm finding it kind of slow. I haven't played the others so I don't have anything to compare it by but the story's a pretty slow boil.
hmmm...
I own Fallout: New Vegas and haven't played it yet,so I need to give it a try.
I've mostly played Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, South Park Stick of Truth (finished both), Assetto Corsa, and my guitar via Rocksmith.
I have Witcher III and I keep trying to like it, but it is not grabbing me. Maybe it's too many cutscreens.
"Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor"
I hear that's good.
It's an excellent action game. Some of the DLC is excellent. They are running some awesome sales. You can get the game plus all the DLC for $15 or so.
Bundlestars has run some good sales..
here is an awesome game metasearch engine. you can even set alerts
i've seen a lot of AAA games go for under $5. You can set a price trigger on any game.
http://www.cheapshark.com/search
The only other game I could think to compare FO4 to is S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl - which was effing amazing - and it compares favorably. I'm tempted to get Stick of Truth, but not the others you mentioned.
I'm going to do STALKER before FO4 but after SkyRim. So much to catch up on.
Get this http://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-complete-2009 just in case. It's not 100% mandatory but it's a good mod package.
Those pictures made me pretty hard. Thank you! Bookmarked.
You can't get the little guy to fly more than half-mast, eh?
NP!
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is excellent
I own it and the Pripyat one as well
Metro 2033 Redux is very good as well.
It's EXTREMELY linear, but it's got good atmosphere and story.
If you have kids (I am all PC games btw) I recommend Rayman: legends.
It's fun to play co-op with my kids as well
I hate the main story thread of most games. This is why I love FO3 and New Vegas so much, because you don't have to play play the main story to really enjoy them.
"gun death" - dead giveaway. Go home.
What?
Protip: Don't use your proggie shibboleth in a troll post.
You clearly don't know Apatheist.
Nope, Apatheist is a regular poster here.
He writes "the next time there is a school shooting and the gun-grabbers climb over the dead bodies to advocate for gun control"
I'd argue that's way more representative of his actual beliefs.
Vocabulary-psychoanalysis is dumb. People here tend to be pretty straightforward about what they believe (except Tulpa).
The strawman argument against closing borders (not a reply to anything), including out-of-the-blue shibboleths was...just a thing. Okay.
There's a lot of professional agitprop posters here. It makes me wary.
A response to the oft-mentioned "fix" in the 400 comments above it.
Then we're not reading the same comment threads.
I see a handful of proggie true believers and dedicated trolls.
TR,
I'm an amateur. With lots of experience.
Discriminating on religion would be pretty ineffective.
Suddenly we'd have 100% Christian Syrian immigrants, with the same total numbers.
But without the ideological predilection for mass murder and enslavement.
This 'predilection' doesn't seem to exist in Guayna, Kurdistan, Albania, or Azerbaijan or a number of other Muslim countries.
Guyana isn't a majority Muslim country for one thing and it's Muslim minority does have some historical precedent for perpetrating violent crime on a level disproportional to their numbers in the population. Kurdistan is also an outlier like the other two countries you mentioned, and that's wonderful. Kudistan is a shining city on shit blood soaked hill, no doubt. But they still, per capita, produce far more terrorists and otherwise violent maniacs than any other European society you compare it to (if we aren't including the resident Muslim minorities in those countries for obvious reasons).
But I'm sure I don't need to present the polling data to you once again showing that the overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world hold some pretty damn extreme views that are completely incompatible with a modern civil society. It is indeed a tiny proportion of Muslims that actually go out and murder infidels, but they receive huge amounts of support from Islamic society in general. Those people, those societies, suffer from an ideological disease and they ought to left to quarantine in those parts of the world they've already conquered and poisoned until they reach a level of cultural development where they can be tolerated in the wider world.
My point was religion, unlike physical markers (age, sex, race), is trivial to lie about. So if you ban Muslim immigration, they'd become "Christian" immigrants.
It's actually slightly worse than that: The terrorist waging jihad is specifically empowered (al-Taqiyya) to lie in the service of the cause.
Whereas the not-a-terrorist Muslim may feel a compulsion against lying about their religion.
So a ban would only work on the neither violent nor desperate, (which is exactly the group we want the most).
Weird, no one seems to be recommending anything, A.
if anyone's politically grandstanding and acting self-righteous.... look in the mirror. (ok, there are one or two others here)
As for how this event influences people's opinions on Immigration - i don't think it applies to US policy at all, but i think it has a huge impact on Europe, as they have 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees living in camps all over the place right now.
"Weird, no one seems to be recommending anything, A."
That doesn't make anti-freedom bullshit anymore valid. If you take a glance at the comments it's full of anti-immigration nutbars who are HARD at the prospect of kicking out those fucking foreign peoples.
no, that's you projecting. Some folks have noticed that Muslims are behind an inordinate number of violent acts. And there is the suggestion that the mass influx of Syrians, refugees or not, may not end well in places ill-suited for these people AND the people themselves not being well-suited for life in a new culture.
I guess you don't know what 'projection' is.
"Some folks have noticed that Muslims are behind an inordinate number of violent acts. And there is the suggestion that the mass influx of Syrians, refugees or not, may not end well in places ill-suited for these people AND the people themselves not being well-suited for life in a new culture."
Again, cute. And gun control activists just want a 'dialogue'. Apatheist has your number dialed.
what is gun grabbers and people noticing things some Muslims do. I'll take false equivalence for $800, Alex
Not all ___ commit mass murder but mass murderers tend to be ____.
a. Muslims
b. gun owners
""That doesn't make anti-freedom bullshit anymore valid. ""
I don't see how telling Syrian refugees ...
"You're *perfectly free* to go wherever you want, but they cant stay here... (the EU)"
...is 'anti-freedom'.
I'm generally pro-immigration but i've also pointed out that the US (and its citizens) have zero fucking say in the matter of how other countries choose their own policies. They are free to choose what is best for their own citizens interests...which may not include keeping permanent refugee camps within their borders.
I'm also pointing out that if they chose to boot them all back into the fucking ocean, it shouldn't change our own domestic immigration issues in the slightest. Conflating mexicans and syrians is stupid whether you are pro or con immigration.
""You're *perfectly free* to go wherever you want, but they cant stay here."
Um. That's absolutely anti-freedom. Keeping a ton of innocent people out because of the actions of a tiny few is totally a violation of freedom of association.
" That's absolutely anti-freedom. "
Says YOU.
Citizens of these other potential-host countries have the right to make that determination themselves. Your opinion on the matter isn't even relevant, nor is it "moral" to pretend to impose burdens on other countries for the sake of your own ideals. You feel so strongly = agitate for Canada to invite 100,000 or so.
Um, that's not really his thing. He needs other people to fight his wars and open their borders.
"Countries" do not have self determination. Only individuals have self determination.
The refugee crisis was brought on the western nations by themselves. These are the consequences, own up to them.
Now the governments of Europe have two options: work together to solve this crisis (probably by distributing the refugees so that they'll be a lighter burden), or close the borders and continue to dwell in collective ignorance and tyranny caused by their statist policies.
Because only mexicans come across an unregulated border.
Everyone knows that.
One could point out that a government prohibiting acts that don't inherently infringe on others rights is anti-freedom.
"You're perfectly free to smoke pot, but you can't do it in the USA." would be the obvious analogy.
Of course it's messier than that because Europe isn't just letting people in, it's spending significant resources on accommodations and that's coming right out of the taxpayers' wallets. And I'm not dead-set against a pragmatic argument saying "we're just too broken economically to let people in, due to our welfare state" or "we have actionable data saying this particular wave of immigration or this particular country is a security risk".
But then there's the guy in the thread above us saying
And that's definitely anti-freedom bullshit.
You see it as a strawman, but there's quite a few people endorsing exactly that kind of position.
regardless of how you view it, its the choice of other countries.
Nowhere in any libertarian argument is there some demand that - like communism - our ideas can only succeed *if everyone else adopts them too*
We have no claim to any interest in the EU's immigration policy. Expressing a personal opinion on what they *should* do is all well and good.... but one has no standing to criticize what they might do (e.g. stop taking refugees) if they see it as being in their own immediate security interests.... or even if they simply feel less charitable than they did a few months ago.
as for other people suggesting there's some imperative for US immigration policy to change - those are other people... not me... and i believe i already said i don't think there's any rational connection to US immigration policy, and i don't myself think there's any cause to be concerned. If terrorists want to come, they'll come and our policy vis a vis "Mexicans" wont' have fuck-all to do with either stopping them or enabling them.
(even if there were - i doubt anything we could do w/ our border would make any difference in real-security terms)
So..while i get your point, i don't see how it affects what i said.
Weird, no one seems to be recommending anything, A.
I doubt he even read the comments. He had come to his conclusion before he even clicked on the article.
Well look at the most anti-racist guy in the whole wide world.
That is the most retarded thing I have ever read on here. The government of France has a duty to defend the safety of its people. It doesn't owe anyone else jack shit.
Really you should be happy all these French did their duty and died for your principles. France can't deal the borders because your principles say it's wrong. Damn brave of you to tell other people to die for them.
Of course you are not shitting your pants. Why should you? You never pay any price for your I ideas being implemented. That is everyone else' duty not yours.
"The government of France has a duty to defend the safety rights of its people. " -FTFY
Replace 'borders' with 'guns' and congrats you're New Tony.
Yeah. They owe you are I the same thing they owe their own people. You are a comic retard.
Takes a retard to put up that strawman, Toney.
You're the same as the gun grabbers. Every bit as emotionalistic, guilt-baiting, and shameless in your exploitation of the just dead to take away freedoms.
The French governments owes its people free association and free movement = open borders.
so, the French govt owes its people even more of the folks who perpetrate attacks like this? Freedom does not mean what you think it means. I just can't understand why more people don't take the open borders fixation seriously.
That's some A-grade collectivism. 5 did this, so they are all guilty.
perhaps you can explains to the victims' families why your open borders boner trumps everything else. Five did this, another five did something else, and so on on an exponential level. But no, there is no elephant in the living room.
perhaps you can explains to the victims' families why your open borders 2nd amendment/gun boner trumps everything else
You're the same as the progs.
France's people can freely move without restriction. How is not letting in non-French people restricting the movement of French people?
Yeah, safety really isn't important. #FreedomForAggression
There are plenty of other good reasons to tighten border security and put a freeze on immigration without even getting into this.
ISIS lost more people today than was killed in Paris. They also lost Shingal to the Kurds.
http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/14112015
They also lost Hole, in Syria, to an umbrella group including the YPG.
http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/13112015
Good! ISIS/ISIL has welcomed this by their actions. The are not "morally equal". This is a good thing.
Believe me, Cyto is celebrating any and all ISIS deaths. So is pretty much anyone not called Sheldon Richmann.
I'm also amused they called a city 'Hole'. Still a better place than Cleveland I'm sure. 'Batman' isn't too far away in Turkey.
Cleveland gets so much undeserving shit when Detroit and Buffalo aren't that far away ...
Really.
"French President Hollande is reported by the Washington Post to have said "that France was 'going to lead a war,' presumably against Islamist militants. He said his country's response would be 'ruthless.'""
You'll forgive my cynicism, but I have a feeling this will consist of weaponized 'strongly worded letters' and an appeal to (yep) us.
The French defense budget really doesn't allow for much more.
From Wikipedia
Note: I'm not endorsing the use of nukes. But if the French wanted to send a message to ISIS without breaking the bank, they could.
Do it. Put one in Raqqa. End this shebang once and for all. Might kill a few Russian pilots but whatever.
Fallout 4.5?
Might be a better game based on what I'm hearing.
By "configured", I think he meant they stuck enough stamps on it to have the USPS deliver it. First class.
I know you're being facetious, but a nuke sub is reasonably cheap (for a country) and essentially undetectable/unstoppable. All "configured" means is probably swapping the hardcoded list of targets with something a little more flexible.
That's interesting. It'd be a bit of an overreaction but it'd certainly send a strong message. A parking lot where Raqqa used to be?
They probably have sufficient conventional weaponry to achieve the same effect. I'm just pointing out the obvious: France can fight ISIS very cheaply if they're pissed off enough.
How would the last fifteen years gone if USGOV just nuked AFG 01/9/12? We wouldn't be be fighting a war there right now, probably not one in Iraq either. Glass is the seriousest of business.
I kind of have to agree with Sevo. That being said France did good work in Mali...with American assistance.
Even American Conservative was cautiously optimistic about Mali.
Reason was all 'oooohhhh might be a quagmire' and then it went without a hitch. Reason never talked about it again.
Yea, if they wanted to mount an actual campaign it would require years to build the logistics and combat power for sustained operations. I see some bombs being dropped, and maybe we shuttle aa few of their soldiers over.
^^^ This. Then queue the French and German complaints about how Americans are such war mongers, are so uncivilized, and, unlike the superior Europeans, are so incapable of resolving problems peacefully and diplomatically.
The only reason we have a target on our back today is that we got involved in the aftermath of WWII in the ME, and then tried to help France and the UK with their former empires, colonies, and oil companies. I think the US has shoveled enough shit for Europe. We should tell Europeans to go fix their own problems.
"...unlike the superior Europeans, are so incapable of resolving problems peacefully and diplomatically."
1) 1914-1918
2) 1939-1945
Real 'peace-mongers' there, you betcha!
Well, yes, obviously their self-image is completely out of touch with reality, that was my point (did that really need saying?). The current peace in Europe is effectively only due to US military occupation.
I don't agree with their ends, but do agree with their means. This is the only way I'd conduct warfare. Once you've decided a country is the enemy, hit only civilians, and a way that'll most terrify them. But I'd use drones so as not to endanger myself.
Even better, make it look like an accident, so as to spread maximum suspicion.
Robert|11.13.15 @ 9:09PM|#
"...Once you've decided a country is the enemy, hit only civilians, and a way that'll most terrify them...."
Shades of Bomber Harris! Doesn't work.
I just finished reading Max Hastings, Armageddon about the Battle for Germany. He really trashes Harris and Bomber Command. Harris, at times, literally rejected facts in favor of theory. If he'd been German he would have gone to the gallows.
"Harris, at times, literally rejected facts in favor of theory."
Bomber Command had the data on how accurate they were and flat ignored it. The had the data on the effectiveness of the bomber gunners and flat ignored that. Ditto 'terror bombing' vs the 'oil plan'.
And it's not hindsight; they HAD the DATA!
Interestingly, Hastings also takes after Churchill for not reining Harris in. He could have eased him into retirement but chose not to.
And then Churchill patted him on the back.....with a pointed weapon.
But did he have the idea of making it look like an accident, rather than enemy action?
"But did he have the idea of making it look like an accident, rather than enemy action?"
How many 'accidental' deaths can you have before someone gets suspicious?
And if it's seen as 'accidental', how can anyone 'win'?
Here's how we sing Kumbayah in the heartland.
Are we all pretending like we didn't have a hand in sending weapons to ISIS, and that a lot of the destabilization of Iraq and Syria is entirely the result of the pointless war we waged there for the past 12 years, that killed up to several hundred thousand people? I see a lot of people pretty eager for more war with these savages. I get the anger, I do. I mostly just feel sick to my stomach. When does this ever end?
Right. We can't win by war. We can only win by dying. If we just don't do anything and die, we will have won or something.
A lot of Americans were dying because of people in Iraq and Syria before we invaded?
The Swiss seem to be doing pretty well.
The Swiss are in a small landlocked mountainous country and I am pretty sure they had implicit back up from America during the Cold War.
Syria's civil war was not caused by America.
This meme needs to stop.
This. There is NO reason to believe it would be better if Sadaam were around. Actually, since the Kurds would be worse off, there's reason to believe it would be worse.
I haven't seen any confirmation that America sent a large amount of weapons to the Syrian theater aside from the stuff ISIS grabbed from the Iraqi army. The Gulfies sent over weapons for sure.
When does it end? It doesn't, unfortunately. It never has and it never will. There will always be hatred, murder, and war.
The world is getting more and more peaceful though, so it does end.
Only a complete fool thinks that a trend will continue going in the same direction indefinitely.
I see no reason for it to turn around.
@Cyto:
What about demographics? Serious question. Not intended to be rhetorical/snarky.
"What about demographics?"
Outside of China, all in favor of peace. Takes young males to wage war, and the folks in the ME are using them up (GO, you suicide bombers! And go before you take anyone with you).
Of course you don't; that's because you're dumber than a sack of hammers.
My Facebook feed already has stuff like this
"I can't help but think that if common people were running the world instead of the wealthy elite, bloody events like this wouldn't happen anymore. Can the revolution finally come please so that we can live Ina more peaceful world?"
Yeah those Islamic Fundamentalists really care about the Common Man.
They hate us for our... income inequality?
Sorry, I can't decipher this retardese.
Please tell this person that they are an ignoramus totally bereft of knowledge of world events.
I want to do this so bad, but I vowed to keep FB non-political.
Right, you're going to cleanse FB by force of will.
If the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is running the world, there wouldn't be metal concerts to shoot up.
And people would just disappear in the night.
So your Facebook friend is correct.
I forget, was the dude who killed Dimebag Darrell at the "Pantera" gig in Columbus a 1%er?
Cause surely a Common Man? wouldn't do something like kill Dime at a "Pantera" concert.
Wait - we need to ban metal....
Wikipedia says ex-marine. Clearly a foot soldier of the Capitalist Hegemony.
because the socialist revolutions of 1917, 1949, 1975 were so bloodless... during and afterward
"Can the revolution finally come please so that we can live Ina more peaceful world?""
You know what happens in revolutions, right?
So the NRA is no longer happy just mass murdering Americans? They have to go and mass murder the French now? Have they no shame?
No ? Yes ? Maybe ?.......this question stumped me.
Rarely watch CNN, but wifey told me there was a big terror attack in France when I woke up. I groggily flipped on CNN and the first two words I heard were"...Timothy Mcveigh". I just turned it off and went to work.
Good lord.
I'm sure it was just a coincidence and not an overt or subliminal attempt at moral relativism. I always give CNN the benefit of doubt.
They simply meant to say that McVeigh had crawled out of his grave to wreak vengeance on the living.
So it was a breaking news story, not just some past event dragged up to distract from a current horror.
Actually they were rather intelligently discussing on CNN whether the attacks were perpetrated by Al Qaeda or ISIS. And at the time CNN International must have been carrying the same CNN programming I was watching in the US.
Maybe Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and the UAE could take the refugees. They got the cash.
It's almost like the Arabs know something about these people.
Uh, the Saudi Arabians are pretty savage themselves.
it is a bit curious why no one in the Western world asks why it is that Syrian refugees cannot move to one of the other Arab countries where at least they have some common ground.
They don't want them.
some folks might see that as a sign. Around here, those folks would be called slavers and statists.
I see that as a sign that those countries are ruled by slavers and statists.
so much better to have people from a totally foreign culture with no interest in yours move into the neighborhood, if only so they can start demanding benefits like some of those nice folks have been doing in Germany. Only slavers and statists would oppose taking some of your money to feed and clothe people who have no interest in being part of your society.
Also they probably want to keep them as cannon fodder for anti-Israel terror.
"Maybe Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and the UAE could take the refugees."
I'll bet a good number of the r'gees itch for what the West offers and hope to get it without scratching like the West does.
Salon.com ?@Salon
Real terror unfolds in Paris. Perhaps this will convince the right to done down their incessant violent rhetoric http://slnm.us/ORRmnae
No, this isn't the parody Salon twitter account.
Morons don't realize that this the sort of stuff that causes the neocon warmongering rhetoric?
Makes me want something to get nuked. And by something, I mean everybody.
You have *got* to be shitting me.
#BlackOpsLivesMatter
France needs to ban right-wing rhetoric. Hurry! Before it strikes again!
Is there going to be an Ira Stoll article blaming this on Trump?
This is I don't even
"In the United States, the right-wing media and movement conservatives have for decades consistently used eliminationist and other violent rhetoric to describe liberals, progressives and other people with whom they disagree. As was seen in the recent attacks on a Charleston-area black church, and other violence by right-wing anti-government militias, such rhetoric does not float in the ether of the public discourse, harmless and unacknowledged. No, it does in fact lead to action."
Lying POS.
violence by right-wing anti-government militias
I must have missed this...
Maybe they weren't well regulated.
They are pretty much everywhere, all over college campuses these days killing coloreds.
Written by this guy.
Uh, couldn't something like that (except saying Republicans) be posted by any of a number of writers at Reason?
Some. People. Actually. Believe. This.
Perhaps this will convince the right to done down their incessant violent rhetoric
No, comments like that are going to cause the right to more confidently consider leftists as jihadi sympathizers or even collaborators, and Salon should ask Norway where that leads.
President Hollande was there.
About the same time as bullets ripped into the restaurants, several large explosions were heard outside the Stade de France during a match between France and Germany.
A concussive "boom" was picked up on television broadcasts as security officials hustled French president Hollande from the stands. To avoid starting a panic, the match continued as successive explosions boomed outside.
http://news.nationalpost.com/n.....ead-police
I await Hillary Clinton's account of how she was able to exit the theater despite a hail of bullets coming from the balconies.
Fucking Youtube videos...
All Hail Almanian.
How's your campaign for Prez going ?
Got any donations yet ? That's the sweet spot.
SO the whole thing is drug-related? Like all those people taking LSD, jumping out of skyscrapers, then rushing up the stairs to do it again? Maybe the antidrug website could've prevented it...
What a fucking horrible day. This, just found out my best friend has prostate cancer (they removed - looks like he'll be OK), and I got horrible fucking medical news.
I don't worry about me, but these fucking retards fucking up everyone else's life.
Life sucks, and then you die. It's times like this....that just try us.
I wish all the best to the staff at Reason, you wonderful commentariat fucks (even the fucking trolls), and the people round the world. srsly, although I know...
#HashtagsWillSaveUs
#BringBackOurGirls
#JeSuisCharlieBrownHebdo
You're going to leave us in suspense?
All the best to you, sir.
Prayers and best wishes!
Best of luck to you and yours.
Good luck.
Dude, not every penis enlargement is successful on the first try.
best wishes
#Keep12InchesOfHopeAlive
Life doesn't suck. It can be hard but it doesn't suck.
Good luck to you and I hope this doesn't derail your Presidential hopes because then I have to look for a new candidate.
#Almanianforprez
Thanks, but as a matter of fact, this life DOES suck. It's man's condition to be fucked. But that's OK - we struggle against the tide. It's what we do.
All - I apologize - I need to shut the fuck up till I'm ready to say something.
You're all too kind. I'll spill the beans when I'm more ready.
In the meantime, please worry about those who need it. I'll sleep when I'm dead - Zevon
Whatever the case may be, I wish you the very bet possible outcome. People like you are in short supply already.
I am sad now. A hundred dead Parisians, and this brings on the tears.
#DontCryForMeArgentina
#ThatcherSaysFuckThisShitUp
+1 GOTCHA!
Best wishes to you.
Best wishes to your friend and you (or whoever got the medical news). Hope you get better soon.
Classy.
This has to be a joke, right?
Right?
Well, THAT didn't take long...
awesome call
I think I know how to satisfy ISIS's bloodlust and get these students the attention they want....
There are some funny replies on her actual feed,
I liked,
""chicks be like "Pray for Paris" *insert selfie*"
Insert artistic hawt selfie.
I hate twitter.
She is the latina version of Stiles from Teen Wolf, so I guess that makes sense.
"Dear God...omg, I need more conditioner....um, what was I doing?"
Has to be a troll
I mean, there is a way to get that kind of coverage. I don't think they really want that though...
Belgium has imposed border checks at French frontier crossings.
"Belgium is a very strange place"
(Multiple Dutch friends hearing I was going there for a few days)
Apparently there is a "thriving black market" in guns in Belgium.
They make some good guns there.
Definitely. I own several FN rifles and one pistol. Choice quality.
Didn't the entire Commonwealth (plus Israel) use FN FAL as their main assault rifle for decades? Gotta be something there (other than "we sell to anyone")...
Suellington|11.13.15 @ 9:48PM|#
"Belgium is a very strange place"
Actually two places. I remember trying to use some Francs in Bruge; the woman looked at me like I was trying to pass off Confederate dollars.
It was probably a similar look to what I got trying to speak Dutch in Brussels. I may as well have been speaking Swahili.
Terror, now with EXTRA pointless freedom-breaking security theater.
Hell, in Texas we have Checkpoint Charlies going from Port Isabel to Galveston, with the Ted and Trump seal of approbation.
Religion poisons everything. h/t Hitch.
As much as I despise Islam I have to admit they make Christo-fascists (like our John) look like saints.
/WHACK
Stop eating your own poo PB !!!
It's gross, and unsanitary !!!!
Islam is filth.
Fuck you, you apologist.
/Whack
Flinging your poo is also gross you disgusting little primate !!!
That is what I hate about you PC religious apologists.
The nonsense you spew.
/WHACK
Stop eating your own poo !!!!
"As much as I despise Islam I have to admit they make Christo-fascists (like our John) look like saints"
So your first response to this is to use it as a means to slander Christians ?
Stay classy Turd.
( do you have any recognition of what a piece of shit your are ? )
Islam/Christianity = same pathology ----- different strategy.
Broad, meet Brush.
"As much as I despise Islam I have to admit they make Christo-fascists (like our John) look like saints."
Must.... find...... a right wing equivalent of..... ISIS.... uuuhhhhhhh
ISIS ,,,,, IS in fact a right wing ideology.
Right-wing politics are political positions or activities that view some forms of social stratification or social inequality as either inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2][3] typically defending this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[
Wikipedia
"ISIS ,,,,, IS in fact a right wing ideology"
No one with a half a brain considers ISIS a right wing group. Social conservatives, maybe.
And strangely enough, radical Islam often finds a place among leftist groups. OWS, BLM, free Palestine student groups, etc. Most jew hating Muslims vote for the democrats. That's because their brand of identity politics and anti establishment sentiments are a natural fit within that circle.
On economy, of course ISIS will be left wing. Free market ideologies are a antithesis to their theocracy. But they might ban gay marriage, so you might call them "right wing" using your narrow definition of that term. But.... democrats ban polygamy, online gambling and school choice. So are they right wing?
Gangs hate cops and often target them. Hey, maybe we can call them "Right wing" too. Seriously, get out.
It is not the RIGHTWING that is giving them succor. Look to the left.
Well... like beheading saints anyway. The difference is of degree rather than kind. God orders both to murder them damn infidels, and they dutifully obey--especially in Germany, Kansas, Oklahoma and Iran.
So if ISIS keeps this shit up in France then things will get really ugly. We all know how the French have behaved when religious groups become Enemies of the State....
Also will this get LePen in power? In what way is she less worse than the Gaullists and the Socialists?
Too late, France and all of Europe are going to swing to the right. Not the cuddly right either, the pogram right. And yes, LePen will win.
We'll see. Spain didn't swing right after the attacks on it in 2004.
Europe is starting to realize that
1) it cannot reliably tell normal jerkass Muslims apart from mass murdering Muslims
2) every person from the latter group wants to murder Europeans, and a lot of the former group either don't care, egg them on, or just think enslavement is more appropriate than genocide, and
3) any person from the latter group they don't catch can easily murder ten or a hundred times their number before they are stopped. Depending on how many there, that easily makes them an existential threat to European civilization. And we already see with Palmyra and the Yazidis and Christians of the Middle East what they do to those they defeat.
More importantly, at some point the non-retarded, non-SJW leftists (like Hollande) will realize that coddling Muslims and delivering messages that sound like enemy propaganda to all but the most mushy headed listener is, at best, going to lose them power, and at worst, create a new generation of Breiviks. Then they'll be stuck in the middle of a civil war between aliens who see them as subhuman unbelievers to be exterminated, and their own people who see them as traitors to their civilization in a war to the death. The odds of a socialist ending up anywhere but a mass grave in that scenario is slim to none.
I support your dream of putting socialists in mass graves!
Who wouldn't ?
Spain had a right leaning government at the moment and their president was an ally of George Bush. You know how that story goes.
Note to foreign readers: "Right" in American political jargon refers to militant ku-klux nationalsocialist mixed-economy Christianity with lots of taxes, regulation and puritan prohibitionism by armed agents. This has nothing at all to do with libertarians, who advocate no religious laws whatsoever.
She's got nationalistic anti-market tendencies. One might call her a national socialist.
Wonderful.
Uh, no shit, the European right are all fascists. They're also willing to say that their people's government should prioritize the interest of their people. It's a crazy notion, like suggesting your lawyer should mainly try to help you win your case instead of worrying about the people on the other side of the courtroom, but there you have it. Apparently it appeals to some people, like people who don't want to be on the wrong side of a genocide.
So they shot up a Cambodian restaurant. Blowback for French Imperialism in Indochina/ Richman.
The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;
But my Lord laughs at them,
because he sees that their day is coming.
The wicked unsheath their swords;
they string their bows
To fell the poor and oppressed,
to slaughter those whose way is upright.
Their swords will pierce their own hearts;
their bows will be broken....
The arms of the wicked will be broken,
while the LORD will sustain the righteous....
The wicked perish,
enemies of the LORD;
They shall be consumed like fattened lambs;
like smoke they disappear.l
Wow! Almost 900 comments?
You'd think this was about pot, ass secks or Mexcans. Or deep-dish circumcision....
Well it does involve immigrants and borders so that is close enough to Mexicans.
good point!
And at a metal concert, so you know there was pot.
You'd think this was about pot, ass secks or Mexcans.
1) Hell yes
2) FUCK YOU COSMO
3) Hell yes
I heard the terrorists were not circumcised. Just sayin...
Also there is going to an article about how ISIS would go away if the Middle East got more weed and ass-sex.
More ass sex in the Middle East?
Have you heard the phrase "carrying coals to Newcastle?"
So the Middle East should be cosmotopia! Have they forsaken Me?
Can't have cocktails due to Koranic prohibition (when read extremely broadly), so they fail there.
no Mexicans?
I heard ISIS doesn't want tranny's to use whatever bathroom they want.
As usual, Anthony Jeselnick does not disappoint:
Anthony Jeselnik ?@anthonyjeselnik 5h5 hours ago
Speaking of tragedies, everyone should check out John Mulaney's brand new Netflix special, The Comeback Kid.M
If you haven't watched his "Thoughts and Prayers" yet on the Netflix, you must - today is what that show is all about 🙂
again with the "tragedy" crap
a bridge collapsing and killing people is a tragedy
terrorist fucksticks mowing people down is an ATROCITY
note: distinction
Watching "Sherlock Holmes". The one from 2009. What's the guy's name - Robert Downey.
Not because I want to. Because Mrs. Almanian wants to.
God, this day really is worse than Nikki....
#FuckFridayThe13th
I thought he and Jude Law were good in those. But I'm a simple guy. Keeping a positive thought for you -
Watson being badass instead of bumbling sidekick warmed my heart.
The BBC's 'Sherlock' is even better though. Martin Freeman is an excellent Watson.
Come on Almanian. watching some shit you hate isn't that bad if it makes Mrs. Almanian happy.
Especially considering what you posted above about your day.'
Besides, if Mrs Almanian goes to bed happy maybe little Mr. Almanian wakes up happy.
Good luck with your troubles dude and I ask God's blessings for you whether you believe in him or not.
Thanks - I'm a believer. That's why no tears - this life is meant to be shit. The next one's not. Hopefully I don't get there too soon, but if so - is not sitting at the right hand of God not better than the suffering and horror and awfulness of this right? You know it is 🙂
Thanks again. You worry about those people who have no hope. I'll be fine - thanks again 🙂
That third sentence - I think I had one too many "not"s. Please adjust to get to "you know what I mean"
best of luck, Almanian, sending good thoughts your way
I'm waiting for Richman's article. He already has his "I'm the Real Socialist because of some obscure Victorian Writers!" article up.
Very large gun-free zone gets hit yet again. Who's surprised?
Someone needs to call out the evil here - it is religion.
Religion is evil.
Islam, of course, is the most backward and conservative evil. Christianity is far behind Islam. If you're an apoligist for either you are part of the problem.
And moderates of each enable the extremists!
The Buttplug has spoken!
/WHACK
Religion is evil. All of it.
So Excuse me for posting on a site espousing FREE MINDS, will you?
You fucking PC religious apologist.
/WHACK
And yet, practitioners of religion outside of Muslim do not engage in this level of terrorism.
Dude, just say "radical Islam is evil". You don't even have to say "Islam". Why do you try so desperately to not see the truth?
He's too busy trying to rationalize how he can blame Episcopalians for the works of Osama bin Laden. "It's all religionz!"
Goddamn you're an idiot PB. I sometimes wonder if you are truly this fucked up and delusional, or if this is really some kind of performance art.
Sure, if you count anything people believe in really strongly as "religion", so we can lump the millions killed by the various sects of Fascism and Communism. Otherwise, religions look practically saintly.
But, just because zealotry is evil, doesn't mean that all belief systems lead to the same amount of evil. Environmentalists and Christians can get up to evil, and Nazis can get up to evil, but there's a reason that Nazis tend to get up to a lot more evil -- because a belief system that says "love other people" or "respect the earth" is a little harder to turn to evil than a belief system that says "everyone different from you is inferior and/or evil, and should either be subjugated or annihilated".
Islam is evil. There are Muslims who are good people, but they're almost always bad Muslims, just like Oscar Schindler wasn't a very good Nazi.
No, fascism and communism are just as/more evil but are no 'religions' at all.
Let us call statism a different kind of evil that religion is.
I am an atheist classic liberal and conservatives here hate me for being so. I understand that. Huckabee/Bush tells them I am their enemy (as all secularists are).
You are (as far as I can tell) a f'n socialist.
And you're an idiot Down's baby cocksucker.
As far as I can tell.
Wait, does he have Down's and sucks baby cocks, or is he non-Down's and only sucks Down's baby cocks? Or is he a Down's baby who sucks cocks?
So hard to follow.
I doubt even PB understands what he's saying.
"I am an atheist classic liberal"
Anyone who has read your past postings will see that you are none of these things. You are a hardcore Obamabot.
/WHACK
No, you're a fucking TEAM RED! hack who won't admit the GOP backed a Big Gov fool 2001-2009 while Obama has cut the deficit 70% and ended two costly wars.
IT is you fucking TEAM ONLY guys that shit our country up.
/WHACK
Give a Democrat a Republican Congress and budget miracles happen. See Clinton, W. J.
Yep. The Bushes are part of the big government Nixonian wing of the GOP. I think everyone here knows and acknowledges that. In fact, W. is not a particularly popular gent around these parts.
All the other shit you said is distorted or utter bullshit.
You're just too retarded too call the problem what it is. Rationalizing it must be all religion instead of the one religion it is. It's not like atheists have a wonderful history. But when we're looking at ideas that have a predilection of violence a few stand out. It's Islam, just admit it. Life is easier when you don't have to bullshit yourself.
Islam is the worst. The most backward conservative religion BY FAR.
Christianity is second worst.
Happy now?
"Judaism is the worst. The most backward conservative religion BY FAR.
Islam is second worst.
Happy now?"
Funny how you can change the name of the collective group you hate, and end up with the same rhetoric.
Now stop eating your own poo PB !!!
/WHACK
Have you considered Druidism?
Say wasn't William Burroughs into talking assholes?
#Allahfags
+1
We get it PB. You are all for killing Muslims when Obama does it.
Now stop eating your own poo !!!
/WHACK
So....PB is the guy in the alternate dimension cable show who eats his own shit.........
(skip to 1:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx9Tk3j0Iqk
The problem with your argument are the deaths at the hands of secular world leaders. If Christians are to blame for this, than certainly the deaths caused by Stalin and Mao are on your hands.
You're pretty retarded. You'd blame Jains and Quakers for the actions of Muslims?
Let's be honest here. There isn't actually such a thing as 'religion.' To say 'religion' is behind something is like saying 'politics' is behind something. When someone says that, it means 'people who subscribe to political views I disagree with.' It's not like there are people out there praying to 'religion.' There is no fundamental distinction between belief in a deity and belief in inalienable human rights, or belief in ghosts, or belief in absolute moral laws that renders some of them somehow 'secular' and others 'religious.' It's an arbitrary category.
But I guess if it helps you abstractify your enemies into one big ball of evil then I guess go ahead.
There is evidence for "inalienable human rights". When they get violated people get unhappy. And they seem to keep reappearing across civilizations.
If people get unhappy when you shit on statues of their gods, is that scientific evidence for the existence of their gods?
Well said
If I were a Black Market gunrunner Europe would be looking like a gold mine right now.
So you're a fan of Fast & Furious!
And a PC religious apologist asshole to boot!
/whack
/whack
/WHACK
Black Market Gun Runner is different from Government Gun Runner. The Black Market guys expect to be paid by the buyers. The Government expects to be paid by money coerced from the taxpayers.
Well considering what just happened, and considering that it is easy for a terrorist to get his/her hands on an automatic weapon, and very hard for a French Citizen to get their hands on a slingshot. I think the average French Citizen is going to be looking into an "alternate" means of buying some non state protection.
The French may have been mean, mass murdering imperialists in the past, but these days, the cheese-eating surrender monkeys wouldn't defend themselves with guns if their lives depended on it.
Have a lot of experience with French people, do you? You must. Or else you wouldn't want to risk looking like an unlettered slackjaw by making idiotic generalizations that don't have the slightest relationship with the real world, would you?
WHYCOME FRANC BE SURRENDER HUH
Warty, with all due respect, the French defense budget is contingent on what the US gives them for fuel.
There may well be French who are serious about defending France, but it's gonna be hard to finance that when the national budget supports street-sweepers in Paris who clean one block a day and get 8 weeks vacation.
Honestly I would not be surprised to see violent, mass deportations in Europe now, or in the future if an other one of these attacks occur.
I fucking hate it when people assume my opinions line up with the US govt's opinion. I won't do that to the French.
I take it you're French? No wonder you hate Bernie Sanders so much; you need more than 18 kinds of deodorant for one armpit!
Actually, I'm just going by facts about the country: French conduct in WWII, past failures of the French military and their repeated requests for US military help, their gun control laws, the political attitudes and beliefs of French intellectuals, and the aftermath of Charlie Hebdo. All things you can easily look up. Those make a good case that, as a whole, the French are unlikely to violate their gun control laws in order to arm themselves and stand up to terrorism individually.
And given the widespread cultural chauvinism and anti-Americanism among French intellectuals, I have no qualms about being a bit rude.
(Do you also want me to justify the statement that "the French were mean, mass murdering imperialists" in the past, or is that one at least obvious enough?)
Ok, enough weeping about the French, i have some important questions =
Can i run Fallout 4 on a 2GB Radeon HD7700?
GAMERGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!!!!
PSYCHOPATHS!!!!
Speaking of which, whatever happened to Bo?
*HD7770... basically, the 2GB HD8760 which is just a repacked version of the former that shipped in a PC i bought off the shelf last year
it runs most things at moderate settings, but i've not tried it on anything new-ish (newer than early 2014). A quick glance at the game design and the seem to suggest it runs the same engine as Skyrim, so i'm assuming i'm probably good but will just have to dial textures back.
Gilly. If you can run Skyrim then you will be able to run Fallout 4. I hope that answers your question. =)
It's slightly below minimum spec, but you might be able to squeak by on low settings. There are also some low texture packs out there for for people with lower end cards.
Maybe an offensive YouTube video was at fault? What do you say, Hillary?
She's got to download the French polis on what she saw in the theater first. She managed to escape in a hail of gunfire.
Brian Williams will offer some live coverage if his chopper can land through all the anti-aircraft fire.
Was this before or after she tried to enlist in the French Marines?
In any event, I suspect she turned over all her text messages about the incident after a rigorous filtering process. Her phone was found in a bathroom in the Louvre.
And her phone was clean - to be sure. She used her special rags.
Actually, I read somewhere that the attackers were prompted to do all this because they got rick-rolled while watching their favorite videos on how to properly broil cat.
I have a feeling a lot of the dead are young people. Concert = young people.
Yup. People who just wanted to have a good time, hang out with friends, or take some time off from working, and putting diapers on their babies.
Reuters, from a witness =
"a journalist from Europe 1 radio, was inside the concert hall when the shooting began. In an eyewitness report posted on the station's website, Pearce said several very young individuals, who were not wearing masks, entered the hall while the concert was under way armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and started "blindly shooting at the crowd".
"There were bodies everywhere," he said."
They say 100 dead are from the concert alone. So yes, they're probably young. The comment re: the shooters being "very young" is also notable - young, as in, "younger than the 20-somethings likely to be at an EoDM show".
Why they chose that target... ? ... "they hate us for our Rock & Roll"?
" a 22 year-old messenger, who lives near the Bataclan was going into the concert hall with two friends at around 10.30 p.m.(4.30 p.m. ET) when he saw three young men dressed in black and armed with machine guns. He stayed outside.
One of the gunmen began firing into the crowd. "People were falling like dominos," he told Reuters. He said he saw people shot in the leg, shoulder, back and several people lying on the floor apparently dead. "
They used to like to target dance clubs.
I lost whatever sympathy I had for the Palestinians when they bombed a Israel club called the Delphinarium
If you're a psycho who wants to shoot a lot of people and don't care who, then places like concerts and dance clubs make for tempting targets. Lots of people packed together without much cover or places to hide. Plus they can say the infidels deserve it for spending their Friday night out having fun rather than staying home studying the Koran.
No. Like previous terrorists they will probably be recognized from previous occurrences of them enjoying the same debauchery they claim to despise.
They only enjoy it ironically.
SLAY THAT DERP!
To 1,000!
OH MY GOD TULPA HAS SUCH A BONER RIGHT NOW
If all this death has got you down and you need to laugh (and there's still the possibility for many casualties in Japan), John Mulaney's Netflix special is hi-larious. He is one of the strongest stand-ups today. There's also the new Bob & David series on Netflix.
Looks like Almanian has already kinda mentioned that. I can't speak to Jeselnik's stand-up special, but I've heard good things about that. I'm pretty sure you'd all like Mulaney's closing bit about Clinton.
I consider myself a conservative libertarian, but I see a big problem with those that are doctrinaire. There is a certain knee jerk anti-clericalism that refuses to see evil as being more than an abstract. To them evil is best used with a small e, because it cannot be tangible. Their dogmatism is therefore a suicide pact; they would be happy to make their rhetorical argument to the point of absurdity.
I don't know what this means, but thanks for sharing.
What part, anti-clericalism maybe?
I am waiting for Nick Gillespie to come out preach that Islam is not inherently violent.
to come out and preach- a little too hasty with the enter key
"What part, anti-clericalism maybe?"
All of it.
Are you suggesting that evil is somehow only addressed by religion? I'm having a hard time here.
Did I actually say that? Can you please show me where?
Philknox|11.13.15 @ 11:56PM|#
"Did I actually say that? Can you please show me where?"
Would you please answer what I asked above with a statement instead of a question?
There is an editorial reluctance on the part of Reason to call out Islam without criticizing religion in general. I am not saying that all Muslims are evil, largely because some temper their religion with rationality. However, there are aspects of that religion that breeds the sort of individual that perpetrates this kind of behavior. These are aspects not seen in other groups, at least on this scale.
Tulpa.
Francisco d'Anconia|11.14.15 @ 12:16AM|#
'Tulpa.'
Naah. Tulpa woulda started with 'the French outlawed burkas; what do you expect?!'
A good number of the commenters agree with you. Are you new here? Or just not post much lately?
Thank you. I have asked in the past for some examples of 'moderate' muslims opposing the actions of the supposed 'fundy few' involved in terrorist activities. I have yet to see other than a vanishing small sample of those who do.
The Egyptian President has addressed the violence in Islam. There are many moderate Muslims. Christianity has its bloody past, but it does not compare to the violence of Islam. Before I here "but what about the Crusades," the Crusades was a reaction to the initial violence of Islam. The Crusaders saw themselves as part of an ongoing war with Islam.
I am not new to reason, but am new to posting. More often than not I agree with Reason, but lately they seem to be losing it.
Tulpa.
Francisco d'Anconia|11.14.15 @ 12:29AM|#
"Tulpa."
Really don't think so, Frank. Tulpa *never* expressed any sort of uncertainty; one strong and likely stupid statement after the other.
hear
I hate auto-correct. It really hurts if you don't go back and proof.
"Before I here "but what about the Crusades," the Crusades was a reaction to the initial violence of Islam. The Crusaders saw themselves as part of an ongoing war with Islam."
Uh, that's a long time ago, and I promise you there are many different views.
To pick two at random:
"The Crusades"
http://www.amazon.com/Crusades.....e+crusades
"Lost to the West"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....ge_o02_s00
Do you have a reference that 'proves' one side?
It is called reason. and looking at what they said at the time. Usually the historians that state otherwise are trying to prove a point of view that was picked before the research began. We call that thesis driven research.
However, if you are looking for a contemporary source try Dr. Paul Crawford, Associate Professor of History and Political Science at California University of Pennsylvania and Co-Author of "The Debate on the Trial of the Templars"
a talk he gave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98B-D-v-XHI
If you start at 1095 you may reach that conclusion, but why were
Islamic armies in France, Italy, Sicily, North African, and Spain?
I should mention that since my retirement from the Army I am a professor of history.
For the record I am not Catholic.
You still haven't explained what you're saying. "Doctrinaire libertarians" won't call out "evil"? What's a suicide pact? You've just strung together buzzwords.
"You still haven't explained what you're saying. "Doctrinaire libertarians" won't call out "evil"? What's a suicide pact?"
really???
I was pretty obvious in accusing Reason of soft-peddling Radical Islamic violence and their reluctance to assign blame to the religion.
Team Orange goes full retard in defending the one true faith. To the point of denying the explicit assertions that they and their clerics have made.
those that are doctrinaire
-1 True Scotsman
OH SHIT. You don't want a -1 from Almanian tonight.
Let me translate.
"I consider myself a conservative libertarian"
I am interested in the Libertarian position, but I am afraid to speak my mind in fear of being trolled by the commenter's here.
"but I see a big problem with those that are doctrinaire. There is a certain knee jerk anti-clericalism that refuses to see evil as being more than an abstract. To them evil is best used with a small e, because it cannot be tangible. Their dogmatism is therefore a suicide pact; they would be happy to make their rhetorical argument to the point of absurdity."
I am a lost Hipster.
Philknox. Just say what you want to say. =)
I doubt a retired Army Lite Col. would classify as a hipster, and I think I have already answered the rest of your questions. Since when are hipsters conservative? Maybe you and I have different definitions of hipster.
Then just say what you want to say. No need to obfuscate your opinion.
I didn't see that as an obfuscation, but in the future I will dumb it down for you.
Your opening statement was a little cloudy and overly fluffed with indirect buzzwords. You actually clarified it nicely when you followed up by saying Gillespie wouldn't call Islam inherently evil. Then when I re read you opener, it seemed infinitely more clear.
You make some interesting points, I don't entirely disagree with them. I do not believe Muslims or "muslimism" is inherently evil...let's say violent instead shall we? I do agree that Islam or better yet, Islamic nations are culturally violent- or have a propensity for it.
I believe this because cultural Islam is theocratic, and Islamism via the Koran essentially gives the culture everything it needs. The Koran reads like a legal civic textbook, much more so than Christian tests (to me).
Therefore, the Koran merely needs interpreting by imams (the judges and civic leaders of the Islamic world). This is why you hear much of "Islamic law" where you don't hear that so much in context of Christianity. Even when devout Christians speak, they refer to "biblical teachings" or "Judeo-Christian principles". Because Islam gets so much of its civic needs from the koran, I think that culturally diminishes the need for such niceties like democracy and complex secular legislation. Inevitably, Islam is confronted at its borders by liberal ideals such as the aforementioned democracy and secular legislation, and it finds itself in violent clash with those ideals. The violent clash comes from the fact that certain secular ideals directly contradict the teachings of the Quran. And the Quran is already seen as the highest legislative authority. This, I believe tends to breed the violence.
I have had experiences in Afghanistan that would blow the minds of most westerners. To be fair many are fine, but other tribes have practices in which barbaric would be an understatement, and these groups were not supporting the Taliban. It is a crude mixture of the violence of Islam, along with animistic beliefs. Unfortunately, these tribes are not tempered with any sort of rational thought.
Nor have they changed in well over a century. Gutenberg.org offers the memoirs of a Brit army medic on a Mission in Afghanistan during the mutinies that coincided with British and French attacks on China. The superstition is really deep. If there were a drug that caused (rather than cured) that sort of coercion-initiating mysticism you can bet God's Own Party would nuke the sources of it into a field of green glass and deport all users faster'n you can holler zombie or demonic possession.
So the rejection of reason and its replacement by violent superstition has nothing to do with any outcomes, right? It was the Liberal Party in America whose 1931 platform called for abolition of all religious laws in These States. To this day conservatives snarl and spit the word as if it were an epithet--and to them and their mohammedan prohibitionist twins, it is.
I would agree with what you said. I have met man Muslims in my service, and it is a bit of a culture clash. Some topics are just best left alone.
Did I make that typo -"muslimism" ? Wow, I am trying to type on a tablet that has this auto-correct feature that I cannot figure how to turn off. The auto-correct often tries to change the word while typing. I am still a typist that needs to look at the keyboard while typing.
I said muslimism, coining it to clarify the difference between widespread practice of the Muslim religion across the globe vs. Islam which loosely describes a set of theocratic countries in a certain geographic location with tribal traditions.
Well I think a lot of people around here believe that most muslims are normal people who just want to get up, go to work, spend time with their families, etc, the things normal people do. The jihadists are a subset of muslims giving a bad name to everyone. It's hard for the go along to get along muslims to speak out if the people they speak out against tend to chop off the heads of people who speak out.
Think of it like the PC crowds on college campus. They are small obnixous contingent of most colleges. Most of us can understand the average college student is there to get their diploma and leave. Yeah it would be nice if the other college students would speak up for free speech, but they know that the people in charge side with the people giving college students a bad name and would happily expel a student for saying something microagressing. So what's the point of dying on that cross?
That said I do think that Islamist terrorists should be put down like wild dogs whenever they're found. The problem is finding them, and our intelligence agencies have a piss poor record.
I think a lot of people around here believe that grouping people by such generic labels as "Muslim" is pointless, because a lot of Muslims, like a lot of Christians or Jews, don't really know much about what their religion is saying and are simply following some authority figure.
I think instead of focusing on the particular religion people follow, we should categorize religious people by how they worship: mystics, fundamentalist, cult members, conformists, cultural members, lonely elderly, etc.
What? And eliminate a source of hobgoblins useful to the Johnson-Nixon military industrial complex? Screw the troops, quoth Congress... support our lobbyists!
Yes. Ignore it and it will go away. Worked for France when the German Positive Christians arrived, and just yesterday too...
Whoa, there, you're obviously using words that are a couple of sizes too big for you; libertarianism has no doctrine of "anti-clericalism", so libertarians can hardly be "doctrinaire" about it. The only "doctrine" about religion that libertarians have is that it should be separate from the state and that the state should leave it alone.
Maybe you can clean up your word salad, use words that you actually understand yourself, and say in plain English what you actually mean.
Michael Moynihan focuses on what's important: Lou Reed.
Coffee's done, so I'm out.
1000+ comments and no mention of Artisinal mayo... Your Future Reptilian Overlords are pleased
http://cooking.stackexchange.c.....l-emulsion
RUINED !!!!!! HAHAHAHA !!!! =D
And to top off the mass murder, the terrorists managed to interrupt Agile's overnight thread. You guys proud of yourselves for doing what the terrorists wanted?
Priorities, gentlemen.
Why your controllers so sticky?
When you've lost Pr0nhub....
Oh yeah, it's in writing now. This is all the right's fault!
Forget it Jake, it's Salontown.
"This is an attack not just on Paris and not just on people of France, but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share."
Universal values, my ass. That fuckwit in the White House just went full fucking retard.
yes, i said that above. as usual Obama COMPLETELY misses.
The very lesson of this attack , if people didn't learn already is there is a group of people we refer to as Islamists
1) they do NOT share the "universal values" we share with most of the world. we quibble over details . but we agree on most of the basics.
2) by being welcoming, inclusive, and morally relativistic towards people who OPENLY admit they will "outbreed you" (this is ADMITTEDLY strategic) in countries where the birth rate is barely replacement rate or less, and who intend to oppose a decidedly NONtolerant legal/moral/religious system where disbelievers/apostates/heretics get death, women have next to no rights, punishments for crimes are draconian beyond belief (hands cut off for stealing).
being tolerant and welcoming towards those who want to KILL you is stupid
If they could have managed to wait for twenty or so years they would have had it made. If Europe's past is any indicator of its future, watch the deportations begin.
At least in the US, daughters of immigrants have similar fertility rates as the daughters of natives, so the outbreeding is far from certain. Even if the Arabs outbreed Europeans, it's more likely that you'll wind up with a shitload of apostate, culturally-European children of Muslims than a Muslim takeover of Europe. Well, that's assuming the Europeans don't do something stupid like refuse to integrate them into European society and make them stay among their own in ghettos.
In Europe, the children and grandchildren of muslim immigrants are much more radicalized than the original immigrants.
Assuming that's true for the sake of argument, it's probably due to the fact that so far Europe has done a terrible job assimilating their immigrants.
My understanding of multicultural theory is that assimilation or the melting pot as we used to call it is anathema to the goals of the theory. All cultures are equal after all. I was told this way back in the mid-90s in an anthropology class. Something about the inherent Euro-centric chauvinism in expecting immigrants from third world countries to adapt and conform to western values. So it's not just that the Europeans and increasingly we, are doing a terrible job of assimilating immigrants, it's that the mindset that we're wrong to even try.
". . .it's the mindset . . .
Dunphy,
Rob Lowe was reamed in an on line article for saying more or less the same thing. The commenters mostly reamed the article writer.
Who else is it OK to murder, Chip Numutzerson?
And since the attackers were part of humanity, in a way, they were also victims here, right?
Mumble mumble universal values, mumble mumble values we share, mumble mumble attack on humanity, mumble mumble - ends speech without addressing radical Islam all that much.
The socialist French president - "We're shutting down the borders and pledge ruthless response to this attack"
All's well now!
"The Latest: Counselors care for dazed Paris attack survivors "
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....smsnnews11
I hope they don't inadvertently microagress the safe spaces of the cis-gendered....
Fuck 'em, with turd's dick.
w're inn ur Safe Spayce rapin' all ur womyn
Wait - something happened in Japan, too? Like, srsly, I did not know this.
*BING*
Well - shit. When it rains, it pours....TSUNAMIS, amirite, Japan.
Good luck you homogenous pornmasters.
Timely movie speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptqoSZgh7q8
One wonders if they'll ever have the balls to make a Bond movie where the antagonist is *gasp* an Islamic militant. I mean, for Christ's sake, they've been the main baddies in the real world since the end of the Cold War, so why is Bond still spending all his time fighting Brits, Russians, Spaniards, and Austrians?
It's not a good fit. Bond's tactics would not work against decentralized, ideologically-driven practicioners of asymmetrical stuff.
Well it's not like SPECTRE and Goldfinger were realistic threats in the 1960s. I mean the closest they got to actually addressing the exact nature of the Cold War was For Your Eyes Only which ended with a sop to the D?tente and we were meant to think Gogol was a nice guy.
It doesn't have to be realistic, it's just a novel premise for a Bond movie that goes unused for stupid reasons. Maybe would be an interesting change from the standard 'European guy who wants money/world domination/revenge against former employer.'
YEAH BUT WE R WINNING!
BOOYAH!
#BLUELIVESMATTER
hth
And here I was thinking:
#BLEWLIVESMATTER
Annnnnnnnnnnnnd:
"BIDEN: 'We will respond, we will overcome, we will endure'"
[...]
"Vice President Joe Biden, in a statement late Friday, called the attacks in Paris "heartbreaking" and "outrageous."
"We will stand together. We will never bow. We will never break. That's the character of our two nations."
http://www.sfgate.com/technolo.....pid=brknow
He said as, he groped the wife of the French Ambassador....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIdKIM2btoA
If only the French Citizens were "Allowed" to have shotguns.
But, sadly, they aren't. Nor are they allowed AK-47s. Strangely enough, that didn't stop the jihadists from using all those illegal weapons, helped by the fact that they could be certain their targets were all unarmed.
I guess I was wrong this morning.
Wouldn't be the first time you spoke too soon.
That ruling went in favor of supporters of Israel. Why would appeasing supporters of Israel decrease terrorism? Israel isn't exactly a big sponsor of terrorism in France, is it?
Japan got hit? I can't find squat on that.
You know who else wanted to...surprise Japan?
Gojira?
Bush I's esophagus?
Not by terrorists.
"Japan got hit? I can't find squat on that."
Like the SF quake you never heard of a week or so ago.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/...../75728036/
sometimes you have to punch with the future of the universe.
It's not your night, man.
the fist of hatred bleeds nasty sand. and it will spread..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXgvA0lT9CI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXgvA0lT9CI
The blood of the dead calls out from the grave for the blood of the dead. Newly born into the occupation of those who chisle names into stone.
Latest:
"President Barack Obama has spoken by phone to French President Francois Hollande to offer the condolences of the American people for the attacks in Paris.
The White House says in a statement Friday night that Obama has reiterated the United States' steadfast, unwavering support for the people of France, calling the nation America's oldest ally and friend. Obama also has reaffirmed the offer of any necessary support to the French investigation.
The White House says the two leaders have pledged to work together, and with nations around the world, to defeat the scourge of terrorism."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....smsnnews11
OK, it's tempting to beat on the SOB for the inanity of the statements, but I'm gonna cut some slack. WIH could anyone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave have done differently?
In this case, would you (Obo) please pass on my sympathy for a whole lot of people feeling a whole lot of pain tonight...
WIH could anyone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave have done differently?
He could have shut the fuck up for once. Nothing about this story necessitates or justifies his involvement in the slightest.
Our economic policy should be our foreign policy. Well this is the outcome of our economic policy for the last 16 years.
No matter how much we don't want to be at war with the jihadists, they are at war with us and will be until they're wiped out or we submit to the will of Allah (which is fine if you think rape should be effectively legalized, I suppose).
Rape
Genital mutilation
Slavery
Murder
And rape.
(They like rape)
Rob Lowe excoriated for saying France closed its borders too late.
The commenters agree with Rob.
You know who else said France closed its borders too late...
Hitler as he drove along the Champs ?lys?es, laughing?
Ruthless is good, Hollande. Go get these heartless fucks.
Let the violent deportations across Europe begin.
This is the worlds smallest violin playing for all the Islamist sympathers saying we should open our arms to followers of an insane belief system that says women are property and non-believers should be murdered or enslaved. Fuck every one of them.
Christians and Jews are "peoples of the book" and thus not supposed to be enslaved. ISIS is relying on a goofy interpretation to go against the literal meaning of the Quran on that point.
Tell that to the victims. I'm sure they'll find solace in the fact that they died over a misinterpretation. Oh wait, you can't ask them. Because they're dead.
Appeals to emotion make me sleepy.
No not enslaved, just forced to pay tribute to their Muslim superiors. ISIS is following the quran to the letter.
No. ISIS has enslaved Yazidis and other Christians and had to come up with a special interpretation of Islamic mysticism to justify it.
The innocent will be slain along with the guilty. This is life without the innocent being able to defend themselves.
Your libertarianism doesn't run very deep, does it.
Your perception, or experience of the world does not run very deep does it Tulpa. That's why you need to incorporate so many personalities.
In your smug contentment, have you thought about where they're likely to send them? A country with a vapid ruler with no concern for his people and a vain desire to look compassionate and empathetic would be a prime target.
The innocent will be slain along with the guilty. This is life without the innocent being able to defend themselves.
This is true, which is why war is a big deal. Innocent people were killed in every war. Of course innocent people would be killed even if countries reacted with pacifism. It would just be the pacifists innocent people, not the aggressors.
Wait, France is gonna bomb Detroit?
I was hoping for San Francisco, but I'll take my wins where I find them...
That vapid ruler hasn't even been able to find a spot to send people who were found innocent in Guantanamo. His vapidity is canceled by his incompetence.
As if they're all hanging out somewhere, conveniently separated from innocent people.
We've been going to get them for 14 years, if you hadn't noticed. It's not as easy as it sounds.
We've never been "going to get them". We've always been mincing around trying to win political points. Methinks that will change now.
Are you advocating indiscriminate killing of civilians who happen to have the same religion/ethnicity/geographical location just to guarantee that we "get them"? If not I'd love to hear your strategy.
Them=/= civilians.
Your strategy for getting "them" without harming the civilians they are surrounded by?
We're doing it wrong. Just have a mass draw Mohammed eating bacon and fucking a camel contest in the middle of town and post snipers on the rooftops. First motherfucker to rush the event shouting allah akbar, takes a bullet to the head.
If only the whole world was Texas, ^^this^^ might happen.
You know how many insurgent heads we put bullets in in Iraq?
That's doing it wrong. Who cares what they blow up in Iraq? Let 7th century savages keep fighting their tribal warfare like they've been doing since the beginning. But if they come here and behave like that, take them out.
But if they come here and behave like that, take them out.
That's not what Mssr. Hollande is talking about doing..
Of course not. For a politician, this is different for them. It's another crisis to not let go to waste. They don't plan on solving this, they plan on using it to their own advantage. But at some point, it's going to slip out of their control.
Fuck, Hollande is going to put on a pair of pink panties and tell the murderers that he's sorry for offending them and that he'll do a little dance in his pink panties if it will appease them enough. Then he'll pass new laws violating the civil liberties of his own citizens to go further in assuring that the uncivilized hordes aren't offended.
Not this time. He's gonna go reverse Jihad on these fucks and their enablers. His citizens will demand it or they'll let Le Pen do it in six months.
No he's not. He's going to do exactly what I said he's going to do. And Obama will praise him for doing it, and Merkel too.
French planes will be in the air by the end of the weekend. I'll bet you $20.
French planes will be in the air and do what? Bomb Paris neighborhoods? Planes are not going to fix this. Dealing with run away political correctness needs to be the first step.
Why do you hate pink panties?
France was already participating in bombing ISIS in Syria.
Did you not note that Hollande has both employed the military more aggressively than Sakozy (*Libya, Syria), and has already vowed to engage in ruthless retribution?
I understand where you're coming from, but seriously...
I knew this was going to happen. Anyone should have known. And it's coming soon to Germany, and Sweden, and Britain. Look, I'm a libertarian, as libertarian as you get. But you don't just invite in a bunch of people who have sworn to kill you and then show that you are a bunch of totally weak pussies and keep making all of these concessions to avoid offending them. The Charlie Hedbo thing should have been all the warning that France needed. But what did they do? Instead of condemning the barbaric murderers, they blamed the fucking cartoonist! And this is what they get for it. Weakness is not respected, and political correctness is the greatest of weakness, you dumbass pussies!
^^^ The non-aggression principle is not a suicide pact.
Of course it's not. You don't initiate aggression, but if someone else does, you take care of business.
You take care of business against the aggressor. Not people who happen to look or worship like the aggressor did.
I wasn't advocating doing that.
In this case it's hard to get one without the other.
Are you saying all Arabs look alike? Because that's pretty racist.
I came here for a discussion among adults, not sophomoric tedium. Good night.
In this case it's hard to get one without the other
Well, we clearly have to be smarter than we are and we have to forget about offending people. Some people are going to get offended, which is much better than innocent people being murdered.
Any suggestions.
No individual ever born onto this Earth, and nobody yet to come, has any right to be shielded from offensive speech. Censoring what you might say, or write, or even think, to avoid the possibility that somewhere, for some reason, somebody may take issue with the content of your opinions is among the most fantastically cowardly, retarded, counterproductive, and immoral acts a true and honest man can commit.
Perpetrators of murder, rape, genocide, and all similarly Satanic evils our world hosts daily must be censured, systematically eviscerated in our rhetoric, and confronted with obliterative force wherever they may operate.
The instigators of these attacks are animalistic, vicious monstrosities -- barbarians whose development has been static since the bloodbaths of the early Muslim conquests of the Middle Ages. They are demonstrably evil, and their very existence is an intolerable abomination.
Westerners who insist upon propagating a culture of apologism for these hellspawn can go fuck themselves to death. Animals will be treated like animals.
I guess the world is very old and sad and awful.
Please stop world war 3, someone.
War, war never changes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Pt-LnQ2po
Playing 4 right now. Well, I was, had to give it a rest.
Honestly I have too many responsibilities to be playing games on the days that I have to work. I look forward to my day's off for full immersion.
Well, this is one night when I didn't have to work late and tomorrow is Saturday and I don't work tomorrow. So I took advantage.
I hear you. =)
AC, a hundred and fifty dead people is sad news. But WWIII it ain't.
I get his point. Politicians will use this as an excuse to get us all killed. No reason I can think of to doubt that.
Even if ISIS terrorism gets to the point where some government gets to the point where some government says 'fuck it' and decides to nuke Syria then that would be a horrible tragedy, but there's no MAD doctrine for ISIS. There won't be a WW3 because of this.
It takes a few generations for bad ideas to die out if things are headed in that headed in that direction. Let us assume they are. I don't think the general population will be willing to wait that long.
General bombing does not discriminate between true Nazis and those just going along to live.
War it is.
Islam has outlived its usefulness.
Europe is lost. They won't fight back, all they'll do is pass more civil rights crushing legislation and double down on trying to not offend Muslims. And They're inviting millions more people from the same countries, and there are more of these type hidden in those millions, lots of the. Europe is done.
And let me say, that the reason I believe this is that the leaders (leaders, lol) of Europe are not going to deal with political correctness. Political correctness is a disease, it's a cancer on society that destroys everything of value. And it's going to destroy Europe, like it's destroying American universities. They will not deal with this and they will watch Europe burn to the ground and never admit that they were wrong.
This malignancy stems largely from an inclination to subordinate their own cultural imperatives to the needs of foreign arrivals. If they do not, as they see it, their credentials as civilized people will vanish, so they accommodate the monsters in our midst to avoid criticism -- which isn't surprising, considering how spectacularly infirm and thin-skinned modern Europeans are.
Europeans spent centuries killing each other by the millions over ethnicity and religion, culminating in WWII. They felt guilty about that, so they passed laws mandating tolerance. The problem is that tolerance isn't something that can be mandated, it is something that needs to be rooted in its culture.
Europe's current problem is the same problem it had a century ago, and government can't fix it by decree. European culture itself needs to change fundamentally.
I think it may take a European country falling to get anyone to do much. I think that will happen through some sort of civil war, or overthrow. Or it could be an elected leader who moves to implement Islamic laws resulting in civil fighting.
On the current trajectory I think it will happen in about 20 years or less.
Well, think on the bright side: last time Europe decided to self-immolate due to its failed ideologies and cultures, they had the biggest armies on the planet, but not anymore. That means that should things get so bad that the US needs to intervene again, it should be much easier and less bloody.
I'm seeing a very strong similarity between Muslim jihadists and the SJW crowd on college campuses. Both insist on not being offended and are offended by everything. And when they're offended, they lash out in rage like an undisciplined toddler.
Eh, many people say they're offended when they really mean that they are annoyed. In fact, one of the definitions of "offend" is "annoy". Of course, saying "I'm annoyed" won't get you much sympathy.
The word "offend" comes from a Latin word that means to strike against. Unpleasant words and images aren't strikes or attacks in my book.
People who throw tantrums when they don't get their way do it because people keep caving into them. The answer is to ignore them.
OK, but one is the type of undisciplined toddler which throws spaghetti sauce all over the floor, while the other kind of undisciplined toddler saws off the heads of Mom, Dad, little sister, and the cops who come to arrest him.
One throws spaghetti sauce on the floor and would like for their god with a monopoly on force to saw off the heads of mom, dad, and little sister.
HA HA! Sloopy got Tulpafied.
Well, I don't get it
Don't you think maybe we could put it on credit
Don't you think it can take control when I don't let it
I get Tulpafied
Is this the new Salty Ham Tears thread?
Tonight only, I am going to put aside my intense hatred of all things French for mourning.
Je suis France.
Does your dad know what you just said?
Well, he was never a Gaulish patriot.
As a friend of mine reminded me last night, France seemed to make a Decision a few years ago and Friday night discovered the price they paid...
http://jcpa.org/will-the-frenc.....-european/
"In the first incident, which occurred on September 26, 2009, dozens of BDS activists streamed into the supermarket wearing shirts with the slogans "Long Live Palestine" and "Boycott Israel." They handed out leaflets charging that buying products from Israel means "granting legitimacy to the crimes that Israel perpetrates in the Gaza Strip," that "Israel murders innocent children," and that "The CARREFOUR chain is a collaborator."
I thought it was a dumb choice by the activists then, and still do.
Looks like the Paris bombings have the usual gun-toting, war-mongering, crypto-righty numnutzes around here all boned up for moar killinzzz.
It even brought the cop-fellating Dunphy out of hiding.
Go fuck yourself
For some reason, the terrorists have me thinking about (NSFW) printers.
It looks like people that follow this ideology have no interest in western values. I really dislike nutjob religious people but it seems like the only nutjob religious people that are left are Islamists. I'll take people bitching over a red Starbucks cup over this massacre.
Muslims are going to have to create a new religious sect. Latter day saints, fukin Baptists, something to separate themselves from the extreme
This is the essential problem (emph added)
What exactly is mainstream Islam? The official schools of Sunni religious law ? the Maliki, Hanbali, Shafii, and Hanafi schools ? are all mainstream among Sunni Muslims. Ibn Khaldun, a scholar of the Maliki school, wrote that "holy war is a religious duty." Ibn Taymiyyah of the Hanbali school wrote that jihad "is the finest thing in this world." And Reliance of the Traveller, the well-known Shafii handbook of religious law certified as authoritative by Al-Azhar University in Egypt, the world's most prestigious Sunni institution, approves of violent jihad. It is true that Shiite Islam offers more flexibility (in theory) for new interpretations. Yet Ayatollah Khomeini's call for jihad led thousands of Iranian children to sacrifice their lives, and his Shiite successors have refused to distance themselves from his teachings.
Ayaan Hirsi
Can any one point me to a fifth school that is gaining significant ground?
Con'td:
And then there are the Shia - an apocalyptic cult that believes that the destruction of significant parts of Islam will bring about the advent of the 12th Imam. They are begging for it. They will keep agitating until they get their wish.
About seventy-five years ago we had another Death Cult (Totenkopf) to deal with. We killed quite a lot of them and their supporters and the Death Cult has mostly died off. Or at least lost a lot of its power.
We are going to have to do the same to Islam. There are a billion of them. Unless the fifth school can gain traction very soon we are going to have to nuke Mecca. At the very least. Or get in a ground war.
We are entering into the Guns of November. I don't see a way out.
And it comes for the same reason it always does. Some one with the power to act thinks, "They are worms, they will not fight." And if you look at our PC crowd it is easy to get that impression. Or if you read Sheldon Richman.
Jimmy Carter did the same to us. Until "crazy man" Reagan (Iran-Contra grew the seeds for the current war- after Carter got the ball rolling by not supporting the Shaw of Iran) put the fear into the Russians.
If some one sees a way out I'd sure like to hear of it.
Either we submit or they do. I'm unwilling.
I think the best article I've read about this was a Masters thesis by Maj. (USAR) Stephen Coughlin - "To Our Great Detriment: Ignoring what Extremists say about Jihad". http://www.aina.org/reports/iwesaj.pdf He examines how all four of the major islamic schools of thought all say the exact same thing about violent jihad, taqqiya, etc. And how their decisions are accepted as gospel by their followers.
Of course, even though it was an academic assignment it still got him canned from his civilian consulting job for the Pentagon - thanks to the Muslim Brotherhood.
I feel sorry for all the uncommitted Nazis who were killed in our efforts to destroy the committed Nazis. It had to be done.
Maybe we can do it better 70 years on. Maybe we can't.
So be it.
Gun ownership was outlawed in Paris years ago. So how did this happen...(SARC!)
'This time it's war': French press react with horror to attacks.
and from a few days ago
French military to buy US C-130 transport aircraft
China's Xi says willing to join France in combating terrorism
Good fuckin' grief. I just saw a frog on Al Jazera claiming that the only way to deal with this is to come together and overcome our differences. Good luck with that lady. While you are trying to understand them they are going to put you on a spit and cook you.
Bulletin: The current flood from the ME into Europe is not immigration. It isnt migration. This is an invasion just like the muslim invasions of Europe in the past. Their goal is to take Europe and exterminate or enslave the Europeans. If the Europeans don't start fighting back that is exactly what will happen.
I just wonder when is the breaking point? The PC crowd in Europe will just double down on stupid, and like a battered wife will publicly ask what terrible thing they did to make their wonderful Islamic guests do this to them, but they don't represent all of Europe.
Sure they'll shutdown any mainstream politician that even suggests limiting Islamic immigration, but that won't stop the more radical groups. Basically if you're a European who doesn't want to see you homeland destroyed you're going to be forced to support some neo-nazi group, because the PC crowd already effectively destroyed any rational alternatives.
I expect to see a resurgence of European nationalist parties as a result of this.
Yes. I have been expecting that for some time. It is going to happen and it won't be pretty. It is past due in my opinion.
Someone here once predicted that in 50 years Norway would either be Muslim theocracy or there will be statues of Brevik all over the country. I predict the latter.
Scratch a European deep enough and you'll find the fascist hiding under the pan-Euro veneer. Ralph Peters has been saying for years that the Muslim problem growing in Europe would be the trigger for a fascist resurgence and I'm betting that France will be ground zero for that resurgence. You can't co-exist with cancer, you ruthlessly destroy it or sit back and wait to die.
In contrast to their image as surrender monkeys, the French can be quite militaristic. I've been telling my wife for a while that it would be the French that would be the first to take up arms against the Islamists in Europe.
French nationalism still exists
Yeah France will be the first, Germany will be last, they're still a little paranoid about nationalism.
What matters isn't the French people, what matters is the French elites.
They're also pretty aggressively secular.
Statues of a guy whose sole claim to "fame" is that he intentionally, knowingly targeted and murdered children? I don't think so. That would be without precedent.
Yeah. I get the sentiment -- that only the fascist right are willing to save their civilization, so if it survives, it means fascism will have been its savior -- but just because we have statues of Lincoln doesn't mean we statues of Brown.
That's exactly right. The proportion of Europeans worshiping before the alter of egalitarianism, self-destructive tolerance and "diversity" for it's own sake are forcing everyone to reap what they have sewn. If these emotionally gratifying impulse didn't run rampant on the micro scale, that of individuals interacting with other individuals, this latent population of genocidal conquerors would never have gotten a foothold.
Can you imagine 200 years ago if the Jews or the Roma, or the Muslims or any other ethnic minority in Europe at the time, were famed for bombing public gatherings, shooting, stabbing and gang raping indigenous Europeans? How would that minority have fared? Would the Europe of that age have bent over backwards tolerate and accommodate them?
For that matter could you imagine would what happen if in modern times European a minority living in the Middle East had a reputation for these behaviors, if they were pledging to destroy their Muslim neighbors, murder their children et cetera, how would middle eastern societies react? Would they claim "well it's only a small proportion of the Europeans that are actually committing atrocities" and then hand them some more tax money and import more of them? I think not.
Fucking Salon. They never disappoint.
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/1.....activists/
I think that's a new standard in non sequitur arguments.
From the comments:
iamnotyou 6 hours ago
Remember, there is such a thing as mental, as well as physical violence. Exactly what the college students are arguing. That they are weakened, doing worse at school in an atmosphere where words are hurled at them (can be hurled at them in the case of violating "community" standards?)
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overcat 3 hours ago
@iamnotyou You're right. All those corpses in Paris are almost as bad as when a college administrator sends out an email about Halloween.
"Overcat" gets it.
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Fucking Salon. They never disappoint.
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/1.....activists/
lol. Just the other day I was thinking back to when those types were lecturing everyone about right-wing violence and photoshopping crosshairs on things and whatnot. This week a family friend who is a consultant had to cross a picket line at some Rust Belt plant with armed guards to protect him from the union goons.
I'm guessing the upshot of this is that the media is going to have to learn to say "President Marine Le Pen" without choking on it. And depending on the ripple effect, cosmotarians may have to get used to saying "President Donald Trump" as well.
If Le Pen becomes president the media are not going to know what to do with themselves. I mean aren't the Europeans more advanced and sophisticated then us colonials, and we should look up to them? It will be fun watching them try to change the narrative they've pushed for the last 40 years.
The thing that should scare the hell out of the proggies and Cosmos (redundant, I know) is that Trump is a moderate nationalist and if they squash him this go around a truly dangerous one will rise to power in four or eight years.
I just don't see that happening, at least not in eight years. We don't have the same problems that Europe has.
Is this supposed to be some sort of a retarded argument for Trump?
Not surprisingly, most of the Cosmo scum don't even have the balls to show up here on the thread.
I'm waiting for the anti-cosmotarians. I'm betting their readership skyrockets.
I think cosmotarian has changed meaning or something.
In its most basic form, cosmotarians were libertarians who didn't have a problem with issues like gay marriage.
Postrel coined the term contrasting us with the Lew Rockwell people.
Reasonoids were almost entirely cosmotarians in that sense.
I hear people using the term now, and it sounds like they think they're talking about progressives or something.
The Jacket is a progressive, dummy.
Fixed that for you.
March just a few steps with Gramsci, and you find that it's easier to keep marching than to quit.
I think we may have found someone out-stupidity Yalies: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the.....esuit.html
I especially like how the sit in is running from 9 am to midnight. And in shifts.
These pussies can't even get a sit-in right.
Ok I read some of the comments there. Can anyone explain to me what the hell institutional racism is supposed to be?
Anything that stands in their way
Institutional racism?
That means "The First Amendment".
Institutional racism means having systems in place where people are judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Why do you think they're so hell bent on quotas?
With any kind of luck the "protesters" will destroy the universities and colleges.
Cutting off power to their incubators.
Jason Manford insists he didn't insult a religion, only 'extremists' - from a Brit paper. The Mirror.
If I were Hollande I would make this announcement.
All Muslims in France have two choices: leave the country, or be caged in reeducation camps. No Muslims will be killed, however they all carry a poison ( their Muslim "faith" ) that cannot be allowed in a civil society. Virtually all of them are on public welfare already so it won't cost much more to incarcerate them in barbed-wire compounds. Anyone who wants to leave the camps must leave the country. All mosques will be demolished. No Muslims will be allowed to immigrate to France.
I bet you look great in Hugo Boss.
Most people look better in Hugo Boss than they do with their heads on a pike. If those are the options, I'll go with Hugo.
There are two civilizations, broadly speaking, in conflict here: the West (formerly Christendom) and the Ummah (the Islamist culture). They have basically been at war to some degree or another since the younger was born. Islamism and the West are not compatible, and they can't coexist within the same territory.
Even though the Muslim faith is textually Islamist, not every Muslim is, just like Christian sects increasingly tend to ignore the anti-homosexuality passages in their own holy book and traditions. However, Europe hasn't really done a great job Westernizing Muslims. Right now, every Muslim youth has two voices calling for his soul -- the voice of the West, where Islam is one of many religions expected to live in peace with the rest, on equal terms; and the voice of Islamism, where Muslims rule, and anyone different is subjugated, converted through terror, or exterminated.
Certainly, rhetoric like yours will become a self-fulfilling prophecy, since the call of the West is weak enough as it is, and anyone will be drawn to the side that doesn't want them dead. At the same time, attempts at Westernization are a long-term strategy, and the call of Islamism is powerful and immediate. The West must do everything possible to shut out that voice from its territory, and first and foremost that means removing humans who belong to Islamism and spread its message -- and the least assimilated and most Islamist are the new migrants. There should be a strong move to shut down the borders and expel the Islamic migrants -- this isn't economics, this is war.
Importing them and fueling their growth through the extortion of French tax payers represents a long-term strategy, that of an irreversible social experiment rooted in wishful thinking and fairy tales about human nature.
An experiment that will ultimately destroy all that's good about western civilization and squander the fragile principles and institutions that took 2500 years to develop and modern westerners inherited from the blood sacrifices of better men and women than us. It's shameful.
"Importing them and fueling their growth through the extortion of French tax payers represents a long-term strategy, that of an irreversible social experiment rooted in wishful thinking and fairy tales about human nature."
I think this is the beginning of the end of that. We're at the point where the part of the government actually focused on protecting people decides to bring John Spartan out of Cryo.
Any place where the left doesn't adapt to the threat they've created, you will see the fascists making political inroads. People might not like them or identify as part of their movement, but they're going to be seen as the political equivalent of "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".
In this respect, I thinking the lasting impact of Hitler to the political culture of Europe was to utterly neuter the willingness of Europe's cultures to see any value in protecting themselves and the civilization they inherited. In fact, for any individual to place value on cultural survival or the right to free association, is to be the second coming of Hitler.
To venture too far into the idea that as a German, you'd want your grandchildren to be Germans living in a basically homogeneous German society, means that you are effectively a nazi as far as everyone is concerned.
But I do think the Germans, Swedes, French and Brits (et al) are only going to be self-destructively tolerant up until the moment they decide not to be. When that moment arrives though, I think the problem will be well past being solvable within the bounds of acceptable ethics.
Topless balaclava model sparks social media backlash after making gun gestures following Paris attacks
Politics can be vicious.
After looking at those pics, I can't remember what exactly I was so mad about.
It seems likely she didn't know about the attacks when she posted the first set of pictures.
The most hilarious part was that she took them down and replaced them with pro-France topless pictures and got flamed for that too.
I imagine Hollande making the following speech:
"I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture to be done on somebody's part?and we're just the guys to do it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE
Nothing changed because of the attacks yesterday--except that people are now angry and scared. And fear is the mind-killer. Certainly, going knee deep into Syria like it was Iraq isn't going to solve their immigration problems.
Meanwhile, a huge chunk of those Muslims in France are French citizens--their grandparents were French citizens.
"In 2008, the French national institute of statistics INSEE, which has a more restrictive definition of immigration than Eurostat, estimated that 5.3 million foreign-born immigrants and 6.5 million direct descendants of immigrants (born in France with at least one immigrant parent) lived in France representing a total of 11.8 million and 19% of the total population in metropolitan France (62.1 million in 2008). Among them, about 5.5 million are of European origin, 4 million of Maghrebi (either Arabs or Berbers) origin, 1 million of Sub-saharan African origin and 400,000 of Turkish origin.[5][6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Immigration_to_France
Those Arabs and Berbers are from Algeria and Tunisia. Those Sub-Saharans are also from Francophone countries that France colonized. Those people aren't going anywhere. They're French.
CBS reportedly refocused tonight's Democratic debate on terror, security
I did not know that they had rehearsals for presidential debates. Kind of ruins the mystique, doesn't it?
Buttplug, amsoc, your nation needs you now more than ever.
Newest U.S. Counterterrorism Strategy: Trolling
If this is what passes for counterinsurgency these days, we desrve to subjugated by ISIS.
How is that different from the old US Counterterrorism Strategy?
Oh, I get it: people get paid for trolling.
Actually pretty positive about announcement with Russians on 18 month transition. Sounds like we are ending our Assad obsession.
Actually pretty positive about announcement with Russians on 18 month transition. Sounds like we are ending our Assad obsession.
Right. He's going to bomb some Muslim jihadis 2000 miles away and do nothing about the Muslims already in France that are actually waging their asymmetric genocide.
Gosh, it's be awful if anyone were to persecute those deeply religious believers. I mean, just because our culture can't appreciate guillotining...
So Vichy France II is finally coming alive to the consequences of mystical altruist death-worship. The mohammedan mind-virus is no different from the one in France that burned Joan of Arc and thousands of others alive--and tortured the likes of its own churchmen to death as in the case of Urbain Grandier. If there's no cure for the French, they might as well understand what they're up against and give as good as they get. Admitting the victims and deliberate spreaders of a mental kuru illness that absolutely sanctifies the initiation of force is every bit as smart as importing Ebola, Beri Beri or Black Plague sufferers, especially when they dare not acknowledge that the cure for superstition is reason. There is an immigration barrier Trump Perot and Ted Crucifixion could easily sell to their fan clubs and even beat the other looters with.
So true, given that she was burned by a bishop. This was while Christians spread terror throughout non-Christian lands, and just a little before Christians ended up killing each other by the millions during the Reformation wars, with protestants refugees coming to America to escape the religious violence and totalitarianism in Europe.
There, fixed that for you.
Let me guess, ex-Catholic who hated Christianity before it was cool?
I don't get it. Are you seriously trying to deny the historical fact that Christians killed each other by the million, or are you simply trying to detract from that fact with an ad hominem? If you aren't familiar with it, look up the Thirty Years War for starters. You're welcome to try to do an accounting of how many people have been killed in the name of Christian beliefs and how many people have been killed in the name of Islam; it doesn't look good for either.
If you aren't familiar with it, look up the Thirty Years War for starters.
You mean a war where a Catholic monarch led Protestant troops and numerous Catholic powers were on the side of the Protestants?
So late to the party, but I just read a book on the Thirty Years War so it's fresh in my mind.
The Thirty Years War was a part of the "European Wars of Religion", a periodic of conflict superficially driven by the Protestant Reformation but more fundamentally an extension of oh who the fuck cares, nobody's gonna read this anyway. Basically, it was all really a series of wars over the political structure of Europe. Old dynastic rivalries stemming from feudal patterns of fealty and inheritance butted up against the emerging structure of modern states.
It's unfortunate the French government are also in with the terrorist or they are just purely incompetent with no carry laws abandoning the common sense rule
A government run by mentally disabled officials that do not use the common sense rule
Common sense is the factor in avoiding illness and disasters in most cases
I feel so sorry for the people living in europe run by a bunch of rejects!! People there are open game lol
God bless them all !
It's unfortunate the French government are also in with the terrorist or they are just purely incompetent with no carry laws abandoning the common sense rule
A government run by mentally disabled officials that do not use the common sense rule
Common sense is the factor in avoiding illness and disasters in most cases
I feel so sorry for the people living in europe run by a bunch of rejects!! People there are open game lol
God bless them all !
Are they sure it is a terror attack and not a reaction to a online video
Apparently the Mizzou protestors aren't ok with sharing the spotlight...
http://www.barstoolsports.com/.....than-them/
Enough is enough, Eradicate ALL muslims now. Nuke them ALL!
http://www.CompleteAnon.tk
It's time they issue letters of marque, and get the pieces of shit that caused this horror.
Too bad the French don't believe their citizens should be free to bear arms. Everyone's chances for survival would have dramatically increased, and they could have killed those scum pieces of shit sooner.
Is it possible to follow a thread here? I see now way to do it.
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What, and have the idiots back living at home humiliating not them in front of their friends with their SJW lunacy? It's easier to fork over $60k a year and ship their dumb asses away to Georgetown.
I was not angry since I came to France
Until this instant.