Charges Dropped Against #KillAllWhiteMen Tweeter Bahar Mustafa
"There is not enough evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction," says British law enforcement.


British police have dropped all charges against Bahar Mustafa, 28, the student welfare and diversity officer arrested last month for tweets that included the hashtag #KillAllWhiteMen.
Mustafa, who works for the independent Student Union at London's Goldsmiths' University, was due to appear in court on November 5. But in a recent letter to Mustafa, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) stated that it had decided to drop the charges "because there is not enough evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction."
Mustafa was initially charged with one count of sending a threatening message and one count of sending a menacing or offensive message via a public network.
Mustafa has stated that her tweets were "not professional," but that #KillAllWhiteMen and similar sentiments are merely "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves." Though it's clear within their context that Mutafa was not literally calling for the genocide of white men, that didn't stop someone from reporting Mustafa to the London Metropolitan Police Service for racially-motivated malicious communication.
Under U.K. law, it's illegal not just to threaten or harass others but also to use "insulting words" that are likely "to stir up" hatred about certain groups or to "cause alarm or distress."
"The decision first to prosecute and then to climb down so soon afterwards, made by the Crown Prosecution Service headquarters, calls into question their ability to make sensible judgments on delicate issues," Mustafa's lawyer, Mike Schwarz, told the Guardian. It should also call into question the wisdom of laws against so-called "hate speech," an inherently subjective category.
But this may not be the end of Mustafa's saga, after all. "Following the decision to discontinue this case, one of the complainants has now requested a review of this decision," said CPS in a statement.
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...it had decided to drop the charges "because there is not enough evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction."
An endeavour that couldn't succeed as opposed to an endeavour that shouldn't be undertaken.
As obnoxious as that is, I don't think she should be prosecuted. Fired and shunned, yes.
Live by the neoliberal speech code, get hammered by the neoliberal speech code.
Even though going through an experience like this would give a self-aware, mature person cause to re-examine whether "hate speech" should be criminalized, I guarantee Mustafa and others like her are just upset that this weapon was directed against her, not that such things are bad in principle. Getting convicted and fined/thrown in the slammer might have actually been better for her in the long run just because it may have engendered a bit of reflection on how bad these laws are.
She'd have been martyred for the cause, and her army of intolerant ninnies would have gone on marching and, ironically, calling for more illiberal speech codes.
No, she wouldn't have learned anything.
She would have become another victim of the patriarchy that twists their noble goals against them because it cannot recognize that speech targeting groups that benefit from the patriarchy are by definition not hate speech
She would have become another victim of the patriarchy that twists their noble goals against them because it cannot recognize that speech targeting groups that benefit from the patriarchy are by definition not hate speech.
Don't want to sound like I support censorship (I most certainly don't.). But, you're wrong about this. At heart, these people are bullies. Their entire line of bullshit about how everyone oppresses poor little old them is because they know perfectly well that the people they're accusing will respond to them decently. If she'd ever actually encountered a genuine real oppressor, my wager is she'd be on her knees servicing him inside an hour.
So, what you're saying is that she's into BDSM.
No. Not really. Just that she's a chickenshit. If she's really "at the forefront of queer/feminist intersectionality", why doesn't she take her act to some of the more fundamentalist mosques in England. I'm sure that they could benefit from all the brilliant insights she could lend them in how they're so backward on progressive issues. Oh, wait, the white men she's saying should be killed aren't going to kill throw her off a bridge for her comments.
well put!
No, she wouldn't have learned anything.
She wouldn't have, but likely others would have.
Well, when the president does the right sort of people do it, that means that it is not illegal.
No one should ever be prosecuted for speech that isn't an actual credible threat. Even a horrible person like her who probably thinks that criminalizing "hate speech" is acceptable.
But that's not the upshot here. Upshot is that Right Thinking People should not be prosecuted, only Wrong Thinking Bigots. Or you think CPS would be as lenient with, say, president of Conservative Student Society or suchlike tweeting #killallmuslims?
That was a general statement. The UK laws on the subject are absolutely awful and I am sure they are enforced in a very selective way.
That's my point. Getting a bit of medicine she prescribes for people she hates has a slight possibility of doing some actual good in the long run. But perhaps the other commenters are right and she wouldn't learn a thing regardless. It's pretty difficult to underestimate the narcissism and self-justification of the modern shitlib.
Yet if a white man had tweeted #kill all muslimmen he would be in jail already or at least charged for hate speech.
Hell the goofy UK charged a UK politician for hate speech for quoting Winston Churchill. Let me repeat that so you know I didn't make a mistype. A UK politician quoted Winston Churchill, perhaps one of their greatest statesmen of all time, and was charged with hate speech. Orwell is spinning in his grave. The greenies should tap into that non carbon energy source he's spinning so fast.
The UK has walked the plank.
Mustafa, who works for the independent Student Union at London's Goldsmiths' University
So, is this woman a government employee? How does that work in UK?
However, if Goldsmith's is a government school, and participation in the union (incl payment of fees) is mandatory, then she is indeed a government employee no matter how they try to hide that.
I think it's a union like labor unions over here. Though they are ostensibly independent from the university, I'm sure they use the school to collect dues from everyone.
I'm sure nicole can offer some insight. She had to swear allegiance to the Queen when she went to college.
Please don't summon her from the pedantic depths.
She had to swear allegiance to the Queen
Can we please refrain from off-color remarks about the LGBTQ community?
You mean labour unions?
#KillAllQueerFeminists: It's just an in-joke and the way the woodchipper community expresses itself!
[golf clap]
That's completely different because something something power privilege marginalization intersectionality.
When I said #KillAllJews, I was just punching up and partially joking anyway! It's not my fault they run all the banks and oppress our people!
And were responsible for 9/11 and Woody Allen.
They actually are responsible for Woody Allen.
To be fair only Nettie and Martin Konigsberg were responsible for Woody Allen.
Well, a tolerant man could probably eventually forgive 9/11.
I think it is time for me to make a statement and dust off my "mean people suck" t-shirt.
I remember those. Those were some simpler times.
Bah! Mean people are average.
A prime example of a good mathematics pun.
"Mustafa has stated that her tweets were "not professional," but that #KillAllWhiteMen and similar sentiments are merely "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves."
Anarchist street theater, Green Peace publicity antics, PETA lawsuits against the California Dairy Association for false advertising because they claim "Good cheese come from happy cows, and happy cows come from California" and California's cows aren't really happy, a girl dragging a mattress around campus all semester, Pussy Riot in an Orthodox church...
It's all about media manipulation. You can't control what the media talks about, but you can influence the topics they talk about by giving them spectacles to cover. I wish libertarians were better at that kind of manipulation ourselves.
Prolly the best people stage right have done was open carrying in Starbucks, or whazhisname in Nevada refusing to pay his grazing fees. That was the same kind of thing.
I wish libertarians were better at that kind of manipulation ourselves.
You mean by behaving like shameless, shit-flinging primates? No thanks.
I think Greenpeace has disproved the idea that there is no bad press.
And yet you know all about them and what they're all about.
True. Worked for the Nazis too; everyone knows them. Best. Marketing. Ever.
Mustafa has stated that her tweets were "not professional," but that #KillAllWhiteMen and similar sentiments are merely "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves."
I thought she had succeeded.
Death rate on the rise for middle-aged white Americans
If she had posted #KillAllBrownMen methinks the charges would be vigorously prosecuted.
Is it clear? I don't think her tweets rise to the level of "criminal" in any rational legal system, but if she were calling for a different group to be slaughtered, say perhaps one that is a politically protected group, i.e. any group other than white men, it wouldn't seem so clear at all. There'd be some serious pants shitting to contend with.
Except you're giving into their conception of power differentials by suggesting that a facetious threat (or even an ambiguous threat) is more serious if it comes from a white man than a gay man, a woman, a POC, etc. Certainly they would take the former much more seriously than the latter, since they're mendacious and intellectually dishonest pants-wetting cowards, but in reality neither rises above the level of, to coin a phrase, blowhard stupidity. So, no, Mustafa is an intellectually dishonest cretin with an entirely undeserved platform, a child who needs to work out her severe daddy issues, but she is not criminally liable for making threats. At least, not according to a sane theory of culpability.
I think the point he was getting at (a valid one I think) is that this dismissal should not hearten us regarding the British governments respect for freedom of speech: this woman was not acquitted because because speech, even genocidal speech, is protected, but rather because genocidal speech is protected *for certain groups* but not for others.
In other words, if a Nazi judge throws the book at a Jewish murderer, we should hardly congratulate the integrity of their court system on the basis of that.
Yes, yes, Nazi analogies, Godwin, blah blah, I don't care.
Bahar-de-har-har!
So will you still get prosecuted for singing, "Kill all the White People, but Buy My Record First?"
For our people to survive, we must kill every white mother(honk) in the world. That's right, you heard me, mother(honk), but you can relax for now, 'cause no matter what you think, I ain't no mother(honk)ing savage. That's why I'm sending each and every white mother(honk) a letter, giving him or her thirty days to commit suicide. Let 'em settle their affairs and (honk) before they die?you know, like who gets their mother(honk)ing Volvos and their Celine Dion records and (honk). Last thing I need is a lot of mother(honk)s dying intestate, you know, leaving me their hassles and (honk).
"Kill the Boers!"--- Hey chill out guys, it's just a song.
Okay. I know it's a horribly bad idea to ever stick it in the crazy, but...
That is what everyone says, but they are horribly, terribly, embarrassingly wrong. Then again, it leaves more "crazy" for the good guys, like you and I.
+1 unhinged hiss.
Until you inseminate the crazy and you're associated with that beast for life, in addition to your offspring being raised by such a creature. "Don't stick it in the crazy" is good and ethical advice.
Or be careful where you stick it.
So, Vasectomy First?
Nah, just make sure you get it in the hole you are aiming for.
And don't aim for the one that makes babies.
You prefer the one that makes Hepatitus ?
That's what the condoms are for. But they might break so still no baby-hole.
Crazy is bad. Seriously.
Bitch does nothing for me. Nothing.
And I would do a threesome with Maddow and Coulter.
You should get that checked out by a shrink.
In just saying Im a serious perv and that Commack (Android for chick) does nothing for me.
*shudder*
You must be seriously hard up.
Sorry to break the news but White Males are the baddest mofos around and ain't gonna be bothered by a tweet.
Oh?
You got to have visioooooooonnn!
For my money, Willie Dynamite delivers the best defense of free enterprise depicted in film since Roark's courtroom speech in The Fountain head.
Ah, the 'ain't we all capitalists' rant. And he did it with more style and better hair products.
Here's what Mo' Bitches and Chocolate Giddyap had to say 'bout it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKauS-K3yJA
Mulattos are the second baddest mofos ; )
Is that anything like being Al Qaeda's Number 2? Because those guys get killed like every week.
Shaft was a bad mother.
If he were still around today CPS would be all over his shaf......ass.
What a great name for a sex symbol action star.
It could have doubled for a porn name if the main stream movie hadn't hit it. ( I said hit it ....huh huh huh )
Does this mean I don't get to enjoy any victim status?
Pretty much true. What folks like Ms. Mustafa fail to appreciate is the fact that it isn't that we can't unleash holy hell. We just refrain from doing so.
The only things she's got going for her is our humanity and her own impotence.
It should also call into question the wisdom of laws against so-called "hate speech," an inherently subjective category.
Why, the law works. She is high up in the progressive stack and the law does not apply to her when she uses "hate speech" against lower ranking groups.
Indeed. This is an illustration of how naive the optimists are who say "just wait until women are getting sent to prison for not obtaining enthusiastic consent or black people are getting arrested for hate speech..."
Identity-politics motivated laws, unfortunately, are not double-edged swords, and 'right-thinking' officials are perfectly capable of enforcing them in a discriminatory manner even without explicit instructions to do so.
Maybe someone familiar with UK law can tell me - is anyone considering bringing a private prosecution? Could they?
This guy was able to file a private prosecution for harassment after the authorities refused to press charges.
Of course, private prosecutions are problematic - I mean, corporations use it!
Not a good idea. It would make the prosecutors look like anti free-speech whiners. Also, a private prosecution also unlikely to fail, but if it succeeded would damage free speech.
Obviously, prosecuting someone for free speech is a bad idea.
But I was asking if the private prosecution system would allow someone to press charges even after the government prosecutors dropped the case.
In cases which involve *real* crimes, there are arguments to be made for private prosecution, so that the government prosecutors won't be able to block prosecutions out of laziness and/or favoritism.
Mustafa has stated that her tweets were "not professional," but that #KillAllWhiteMen and similar sentiments are merely "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves."
ENB you forgot to mention the hashtag #KillAllWhiteMen is a way to empower marginalized groups:
IOW: "Two wrongs make a right".
"That man called me feisty - time for genocide!"
IOW: "Two wrongs make a right".
Look, you just don't get it. It would have been wrong if a white male had used the hashtag #KillAllQueerFeminists. However, her use of the hashtag #KillAllWhiteMen is perfectly acceptable. I get that you don't understand the distinction so I will enact the labor of educating you with Mx Mustafa's own words:
I hope this helps you understand.
I know that's sarcasm, but I'm going to respond seriously anyway.
Even if it is less bad for a traditionally mistreated minority to say racist things against the sort of people who have traditionally had more power and privilege (which I sort if think is true), and even if it is a way of reclaiming power, it does nothing to address the actual underlying problems and will just create a situation where power and oppression swings back and forth among whatever groups can gain victim status at any given time.
The answer to these problems will never be to undo the evils of the past or compensate everyone who is somehow a victim of past wrongs. The only way forward is for people just to decide unilaterally to stop being shitty to other people for no good reason and for people to stop putting so much stock in who their ancestors were and whose ancestors dicked over whom.
The answer to these problems will never be to undo the evils of the past or compensate everyone who is somehow a victim of past wrongs. The only way forward is for people just to decide unilaterally to stop being shitty to other people for no good reason and for people to stop putting so much stock in who their ancestors were and whose ancestors dicked over whom.
Oh, those are some nice sounding words, but in the real world queers are under a constant threat of danger:
Rightwing journalists came to her home! Her home, where her family lives!
Isn't she heterosexual and half-Turkish or something? It's not like she came from the darkest of Africa. She looks as white as plenty of Britons.
Racist !!!!
I guess she didn't get the joke.
Who invented this argument? I mean I don't think there's been a more stupid argument, and I mean stupid right on it's stupid fucking face, that has ever enjoyed such widespread support.
I mean I don't think there's been a more stupid argument, and I mean stupid right on it's stupid fucking face, that has ever enjoyed such widespread support.
Well, I think it helps that racist and sexist mean whatever the hell an ethnic minority woman wants them to mean.
Who invented this argument?
During PC 1.5 back in the 90s. It was stated that only white people could be racist because racism didn't mean 'hatred of other races', it meant institutional discrimination, and black people, having no power literally couldn't be guilty of it.
I'd like to ask those people at what point can we decide that black people are empowered enough to be racist too. Does being elected president, for example, give you enough power to be properly considered a racist?
The victim decides when the victim is no longer the victim.
The victim enjoys 'epistemological privilege.' hey decide whether they're a victim, what speicifically constitutes a crime, and who the perpetrator is.
My typical response is to declare that I, a white man, am the victim of oppression by obese black women who always call me 'sugar' when I'm getting my license renewed at the DMV. Since their worldview is entirely subjective, there's not a lot they can do to refute that claim without contradicting themselves.
And there's the question of how this applies outside of a narrow American context, which so many of these worldly souls never think to do. I have seen it argued that white people in China are still powerful and privileged (even as a tall blonde woman may be gawked at and have her hair stroked by strangers), and that a white person suffering in Zimbabwe has residual colonial power or some shit.
even as a tall blonde woman may be gawked at and have her hair stroked by strangers
MMMMmmmmm. Fuck yeah.
Paging Crusty.
And of course they had no power because affirmative action just organically sprouted.
Other than the argument "I can rape and kill you because I am stronger" which prevailed for much of human history. They seem equally valid.
"because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender"
What, like when there are two groups that dislike each other, and when group A says nasty shit about group B, the state punishes them, and when group B says something equally nasty about group A, the state sort of just shrugs? Because that sure sounds like a structure of privilege to me.
Mustafa has stated that her tweets were "not professional," but that #KillAllWhiteMen and similar sentiments are merely "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves."
Huh, like that 'queer in-joke' that the guy who organized the big gay party on Martha's Vineyard got in trouble for... with other gay people?
Obama did what now?
No. It's mpre like that in jokes real racists once employed when they called blacks nigger.
What's wrong with in jokes ?
"in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves."
So *that's* what happens when a feminist tries to tell a joke!
Go back to being humorless scolds, please.
OT but whatever, through good services of Ralph at Ralph Retort, I present the Ultimate Guardian:
The 'hearts' are the final straw: it's time to nationalise Twitter
I am 90% confident that it's a genuine article, not a Poe.
The comments are somewhat encouraging, though.
Indeed, Ultimate Guardian is when you Guardian too much for a Guardian Reader/Commenter.
I'd have called it Peak Guardian, but, as someone in comments said, they consider that a challenge.
I believe in the new "lexicon" this is called "underutilized".
Is that a synonym of "unnecessary" or "pointless thing that shouldn't exist anymore and whoever makes it should go out of business"?
shyea, I'm no expert on what the young people are doing on the social networking intertubes, but I have a fake facebook account so I can occasionally lurk or look at hot chicks from work.
I've noticed a trend:
Last updated 11 months ago.
Last update 2011
Last update 2014
Last update 9 months ago.
And so on. I think people are beginning to move on.
Facebook will be dead inside of a month if it is nationalized. That idea is so stupid that I am convinced he is just trolling. No way he believes that shit.
I agree. His article is so target rich, he can't be that stupid and still get his pants on correctly before leaving the house.
He conflates TWITTER with "infrastructure" without realizing the "infrastructure" is the internet, not the apps that run on it. God he's so fucking stupid that I have to hope for his own sake, he's trolling us.
As well as providing an online space for socialising and discussion, Twitter plays an important role in the working lives of many ? particularly journalists. Its ubiquity makes it a valuable space to find sources, get story ideas and break news. In fact, many news publications regularly publish stories consisting entirely of Tweets.
Dear guy whose name I can't pronounce:
that's a bug, not a feature, dumbass.
#BlackLivesMatter is a powerful example of a Twitter hashtag that transformed into a movement for civil rights and racial justice.
What about #BringBackOurGirls.
Don't downplay the effectiveness of that campaign! Without the Twitterz, how will young progs signal their smug without actually doing anything?
Btw, is this guy admitting that private companies produce enormously beneficial goods and services for the public for their own ends and without government stimulation? Doesn't admitting that entail immediate excommunication?
Ultimately CB Radio went out of the fashion with the advent of online chat rooms, which in turn have been replaced by social networks like Twitter.
Well it's a good thing CB Radio wasn't nationalized.
CB Radio is out of fashion ?
Well I....couldn't you have given us a trigger warning ?.
* slams down laptop and runs to safe room*
That's a 10-4 good buddy.
Jesus, how do I remember that?!
It's a good thing CB radio didn't require a license. Amateur radio operators had more power and could communicate over great distances, so they needed to show that they could handle that responsibility. Therefor, there were only really a few. CB's power was limited, making it difficult to go past 15 or 20 miles, so that could be left to the unwashed masses with the need for a license. So of course it proliferated.
I've never seen a real Twitter, I don't think. Did they copyright # or something?
"student welfare and diversity officer"
Beautiful. Welfare and diversity means what exactly?
Government isnt the problem. Positions of great power are the problem. It doesn't matter if it is public or private, a position of great power will attract the worst kinds of people.
Leftist political philosophy is the same. It offers control over people and so attracts the worst kinds of people. Look at how they sell it: envy, division, grievance, theft. It attracts the worst kinds of people, in fact, actively recruits them.
Yes, of course. People are the problem. The lefts idea that if you get a job in the private sector you're evil, but if you get a job in the public sector you obtain some sort of moral perfection is on its face ridicules.
Someone posted this the other night. Shouldn't we all have access to each other's wen history if the ruling class does? Full on Orwell.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....story.html
Very interesting.
So the UK wants access to everyone digital footprint to detect and prevent crime.
But they know Mustafa tweeted #killallwhitemen and they determine she hasn't committed a crime.
A British politician quotes Winston Churchill and get charged with a hate crime ?
Is the UK now pro Muslim and anti Anglo and anti the rule of law ?
It is said that actions speak louder than words so I guess so.
The inmates are definitely running the asylum
"Mustafa has stated that her tweets were "not professional," but that #KillAllWhiteMen and similar sentiments are merely "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves."
Alrigthy then.
You stupid, ignorant nigger cunt dyke.
Whaaaa? It's how I express myself!
Whatever. Jail time is ridiculous.
Mind you, jail may be too good for someone broken in the head like that.
Fuck off, Preet. It was a joke.
"Mustafa has stated that her tweets were "not professional," but that #KillAllWhiteMen and similar sentiments are merely "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves."
Speech for me, but not for thee
When a victim class spouts *calls for the death of perceived enemies*, it is merely how they express themselves amongst one another and cannot be judged by outsiders.
When anyone else *says #*(&@#$ anything that rubs them wrong*?
Pray to your gods for mercy, for this world shall have none
Go munch a rug, Mustapha.
lol gotta love those British Kangaroo Courts.
http://www.CompletePrivacy.tk
How'd spambot know this article was about Britain? Kinda creeping me out. Is it going to turn into skynet soon?
But it's a white ethnicity!
What might pass for a sense of humor seems strained to me, but then some have told me that some of my comments were a bit odd.Of course, I never advocated killing people, other than possibly hanging some political types.
"I, as an ethnic minority woman, cannot be racist or sexist towards white men, because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender," (Bahar Mustafa) Says it all! Another dopey progressive who has redefined the English language to suit a narrative. Racism, Sexism are not defined as a part of a power structure rather they define a behavior. Unless of course if you need to redefine words in order excuse your behavior.
Yep, call for the genocide of the ones not dropping a building on you, stoning you, or hanging you. Sounds legit.
BTW, we know your j/k is bullshit.