Drones

Feds to Try to Make People Register Drones

Details on how it will actually work still pending.

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Will there be little federal police drones with lights and sirens to pull them over and demand to see registration?
Credit: Don McCullough / photo on flickr

NBC is reporting (and BuzzFeed verified independently) sources at the Department of Transportation saying they're going to try to force anybody buying a drone to register it with the federal government first. The details are very, very vague, and they're going to release their plan on Monday. From NBC:

Under the plan, the government would work with the drone industry to set up a structure for registering the drones, and the regulations could be in place by Christmas.

Last week, the Federal Aviation Administration proposed a $1.9 million fine against Chicago drone company SkyPan, which was alleged to have flown dozens of unauthorized flights over Chicago and New York since 2012. 

What their definition of a drone is in this context is unclear, and how this could be enforced is even less clear. I saw a picture on Twitter yesterday of mini-drones for sale at a Seven-Eleven. This horse is miles from the barn and hovering over the hillside.

And would this include hobby remote control airplanes that have been around forever and similar toys? What would be the penalty for not registering your drone? And would the government be able to use this registry to prohibit people from buying drones for some reason? Will the feds seize unregistered drones, and would that even be legal? Will Congress have to act to approve this authority (not that this administration would even necessarily ask)? Stay tuned, Monday.

Oh, and as for SkyPan, they've responded to the FAA fine, saying they've only flown their drones over private property, not in public spaces or restricted airspace. They also say they've been around for years and have tried to work with the FAA but said the agency was "unresponsive."

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  1. FAA Q.

      1. Sez the Q.

        1. Yeah, I sed it.

          1. course you did, cuz you is gorgeous and blatant art blast.

    1. I missed that. Nice.

      1. nice is a clean straff upon the sinking sun glowing on a beach of bikinis.

    2. FAA Q, that’s why.

  2. 1. . . would this include hobby remote control airplanes that have been around forever and similar toys?

    2. What would be the penalty for not registering your drone?

    3. And would the government be able to use this registry to prohibit people from buying drones for some reason?

    4. Will the feds seize unregistered drones, and would that even be legal?

    5. Will Congress have to act to approve this authority (not that this administration would even necessarily ask)?

    1. They won’t be included by name in the regulation – but will be assumed to be included by ‘implication’ and so if you’re flying an RC copter you can be fucked with if the cop is having a bad day.

    2. 5,000 and/or 5 years in prison. The USAtt can always reduce the fine if you simply plead ‘no contest’ and pay up immediately.

    3. Of course. What else is the *purpose* of a registry if not to give you the ability to deny? What is the purpose of *power* if not to be able to deny?

    4. Yes. What does that matter?

    5. Technically, yes. But, like when it comes to war (or most any other regulation) they won’t have the courage to take action, will simply (illegally) delegate their rule-making authority to the agency and then everyone who’s up for election can just shrug and go ‘I didn’t vote for it’.

    1. Awesome !!!! Black market drones, and possible red market applications. What could go wrong. =)

    2. The DoT needs to have a sit-down with the FCC. Evidently no one at FAA remembers the brief, widely-ignored, late-lamented requirement to obtain a FCC license to operate a Citizens’ Band radio.

  3. Without govt oversight, imagine all the wedding parties that would be bombed.

  4. “Will Congress have to act to approve this authority (not that this administration would even necessarily ask)?”

    It’ll be a Friday afternoon email from Valerie.

  5. They did it w CB radios for yrs. before they gave up.

    1. Wasn’t there a short lived color printer registration deal in the late 1980s too?

  6. Regulate all sorts of shit and have tons of data on the plastic and metal parts and crap, bro. I’m a Ars Technica white boy sitting at my little college desk screaming about my loving government being abused by the goddamn liberty lovers. I’m also that loud black boy on Gawker pissed at the world who wants Obama to suck his small black dick and I love that brother and I think he has done awesome shit even though he assassinates little arab boys with tiny jets. I am a college feminist on Salon always maintaining fuckin strange decency for my girlfriends protecting them against the patriarchy while I smoke weed and listen to Snoop Doggie Lion man. Me and my girls want to fucking that Gawker black boy so I instagramed him and shit is set up but that dude called Golden Dwarves with Knice Killers on Ars tweeted us to get down so we all heading to a bar to live life up and we all hope that there are no fucking Libertarians in this fucking place cuz our freedom is the best thing about our communism {which hates sex, fucking, drugs, booze, freedom, liberty, open opinions, alternative opinions, cognitive pioneering}

    Goddamn, all our socialistic selves feel so goddamn safe in this Hillary ‘murica’. Can we all go back to our rooms and fuck? Hell yea!! {cuz we are stupid motherfuckers who don’t truly understand the goddamn malevolent demons of communism which would send us to prison for this lifestyle}.

    Fucking left-wing dick pickle twister bitches.

    1. That was fantastic.

    2. Oh, so what you do is cognitive pioneering!

      I’m stealing that term for drug use.

      1. HO HO HO !!!! and a Bottle of Rum AC. 😀

  7. Gawker writer: my fucking head is so full of college it is a bomb and when it goes off, well, I guess my brains don’t exist which means a fucking fist bump into Gawker culture. Sweet. FUCK FREEDOM!

  8. Mother Jones faux scribe: I will write all these fucking articles for all eternity pissed at the goddamn police because they hate black people and kill them over silly bullshit but if that fucking bitch is white I will turn my entire body into a pretzel and jam my retarded head right into the squinky hole of my pooper where I can pretend-write about the world of darkies being killed on my anus walls because only humans in my favorite ideological picnic matter.

    1. There is nothing but truth in this comment.

      1. Jesus, I thought Saint paul was like fucked up and shit after denying you, sir. why is he here on Reason? Jesus?

  9. Why would congress have to approve any rule or law coming from a regulatory agency?

    1. If the congress never enacted enabling legislation for said rule, then they need new congressional action. See also: Short lived US ban on asbestos.

  10. “Drones” are not transportation nor are they limited to aircraft. Your the time being you could still build your own too.

  11. I just thought I should check in because all ya’ll fucking bitches here are so fucking ratchet and crimp and I investigate for the the southern poverty law hole where we enjoy using the word ‘poverty’ because we determined that if ‘poverty’ is in the name of our organization we could pretend to defend the world from toe nails and the governments would literally pour their children into our Chase bank accounts. You know, the very bank we hate and want to end with your children that have been pressed into actual dollar bills. So, yea, ‘poverty’ in the title means Democrat toe-tappers on the all favored sites will align like the especially super-braindead planets they are and give tons of their hamburger dollars. Yea, fuck yea, ‘poverty’ in the title is a psychometric we the fucking swamp communists are so fucking surprised most of our ilk don’t employ. So, yea, fucking the naked ass of freedom loving Americans with a nasty dump truck of acid because we hate liberty, bitches. But we love poverty!

  12. I don’t understand why this site doesn’t have a fucking arts wonk writer. I get every single fucking writer on this goddamn motherfucking site and I love them all with streams of draping laces of jizz but this site needs a fucking edge, man. Reason is living turbulent rivulets of dreams and hacking swords slicing into the night of the brains. I think Reason needs to grave rob some gonzo somewhich someswans.

  13. Cold bottle writing is like fucking hard to find, man.

  14. Just to play devil’s advocate.

    Without registration, when a drone crashes into my property causing damage and or injury to persons how do I know who to sue for damages?

    1. You don’t. Just like you don’t know who threw the rock that broke a window on your property unless you witnessed it.

      1. Mother raccoons with 6 fucking horror fuck children are exactly like that. I lay my goddamn head down in the fucking woods and everyday motherfucking day I wake up these shitty animals drag my 150 foot garden hose into the woods and every fucking day I ponder the fucking impossibility of this shit and this is a fucking truism this fuck is dealing with in real time.

      2. People engaging in malicious activities is one of the areas where libertarian philosophy breaks down. Except that this hypothetical is only tangentially such a case. There is no right to anonymity. In fact, the libertarian belief in individual responsibility necessarily precludes anonymity.

        1. “In fact, the libertarian belief in individual responsibility necessarily precludes anonymity.”

          Well, you bent philosophy of individualism over a barrel and you unzipped your cheap jeans and pulled your cock out and fucked it up the pooper didn’t you? The funky thing is you know your bitch ass communism did this and you thought a quick dance around your empty box of a reality accomplished something. Fucking tons of bananas, boy.

          1. Right, holding people personally accountable for their actions = communism.

            IOW, libertarianism = communism.

            Real Man of Genius.

            1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 12:57AM|#
              “Right, holding people personally accountable for their actions = communism.”
              Strawman.

              “IOW, libertarianism = communism.”
              False presumption from earlier strawman.

              “Real Man of Genius.”
              Statement by ignoramus.

              1. “IOW, libertarianism = communism.”
                False presumption from earlier strawman.

                That comment was in response to AG writing:

                The funky thing is you know your bitch ass communism did this …

                Sevo, recommend that you work on your reading comprehension to prevent further publicly embarrassing yourself with idiotic comments.

                Surely there’s a local JC that you could benefit from.

                1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:10AM|#

                  “IOW, libertarianism = communism.”
                  False presumption from earlier strawman.

                  “That comment was in response to AG writing:

                  The funky thing is you know your bitch ass communism did this …”
                  So cherry picking is an argument?

                  “Sevo, recommend that you work on your reading comprehension to prevent further publicly embarrassing yourself with idiotic comments.
                  Surely there’s a local JC that you could benefit from.”
                  When you grow up, you might learn how to read, until then fuck off.

                  1. I’d respond, if this comment wasn’t completely disjointed and poorly formatted.

                    Perhaps you should drink another six pack or three before your next post.

              2. Being his porn is not going to make this end any quicker.

        2. Zaytsev|10.16.15 @ 11:36PM|#
          “There is no right to anonymity. In fact, the libertarian belief in individual responsibility necessarily precludes anonymity.”

          Prove it.

          1. Let me add further: Nothing in individual responsibility requires anonymity to be precluded.

            1. How do you hold an unknown person responsible?

              1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 12:37AM|#
                “How do you hold an unknown person responsible?”

                For a statement? I don’t know. And don’t care.

                1. You don’t care about personal responsibility?

                  Why am I not surprised?

                  1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 12:58AM|#
                    “You don’t care about personal responsibility?”
                    Strawman

                    “Why am I not surprised?:”
                    Because you’re a fucking ignoramus.

                    1. This comment is both non responsive and an ad hominem.

                      So how do you hold an anonymous person responsible.

                      Are you even capable of responding with a cogent argument?
                      I’m guessing that no you are not and predict that you will use your pat non sequitur and ad hominem attacks.

                      Prove me wrong.

                    2. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:20AM|#
                      “This comment is both non responsive and an ad hominem.”
                      It is neither. You are an ignoramus; that’s stating a fact.

                      “So how do you hold an anonymous person responsible.”
                      For what?

                      “Are you even capable of responding with a cogent argument?
                      I’m guessing that no you are not and predict that you will use your pat non sequitur and ad hominem attacks.”
                      Yes, and I have and you are entirely too stupid to understand.
                      Fuck off.

                      Prove me wrong.

                    3. So as predicted you responded with:

                      You are an ignoramus; that’s stating a fact.

                      and

                      Yes, and I have and you are entirely too stupid to understand.
                      Fuck off.

                      Excellent arguments, totally convincing.
                      Nothing childishly emotive about either comment.

                    4. So as predicted you responded with:

                      You are an ignoramus; that’s stating a fact.

                      and

                      Yes, and I have and you are entirely too stupid to understand.
                      Fuck off.

                      Excellent arguments, totally convincing.
                      Nothing childishly emotive about either comment.

          2. In fact, the libertarian belief in individual responsibility necessarily precludes anonymity.”

            Prove it.

            Some unknown person violated your rights.
            Bummer, how are you going to be compensated?

            Some unknown person robbed you.
            Sucks to be you, whacha gonna do?

            Some unknown person killed your wife or kid.
            Who ya gonna go after?

            1. Amazing! Zaytsev is to require all of us to identify ourselves since it will then require criminals to leave calling cards!
              Sorry, you’ve gone from ‘not real bright’ to ‘fucking idiot’.
              Seriously, are you tulpa under a new sock?

              1. Nice deflection.

                So I guess I can kill your family and it ain’t no big deal, right?

                Cause holding people responsible for their actions is tyranny and shit, right?

                1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:00AM|#
                  “Nice deflection.”
                  No, no deflection at all; a statement of what your claims require.

                  “So I guess I can kill your family and it ain’t no big deal, right?”
                  Exactly how stupid are you? How many strawmen can you invent?

                  “Cause holding people responsible for their actions is tyranny and shit, right?”
                  Well, I guess you can invent more than the average ignoramus.
                  Fuck off, slaver.

                2. So, you’ve already gone from ‘no right to anonymity’ to ‘mandatory identification’ in 90 minutes.

                  Because you’re idea here also removes the 5th and 4th amendment rights altogether.

                  1. I don’t know what you mean by ‘mandatory identification’ and am certain that I did not use that phrase.

              2. Seriously, are you tulpa under a new sock?

                Yes, clearly everyone that reduces you to a frothing incoherent rage is a Tulpa sockpuppet.

                IOW, 99.99% of the people in the world are Tulpa socks.

                1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:29AM|#
                  “Yes, clearly everyone that reduces you to a frothing incoherent rage is a Tulpa sockpuppet.”
                  Oh, I see. A ‘frothing incoherent rage”? IOWs, like you have done when I’ve pointed out you’re a stupid fucking bleever? Like that, asshole?

                  “IOW, 99.99% of the people in the world are Tulpa socks.”
                  Aw, poor bleever! Called on bullshit once more! What a shame!

                  1. Oh, I see. A ‘frothing incoherent rage”? IOWs, like you have done when I’ve pointed out you’re a stupid fucking bleever? Like that, asshole?

                    Sevo, mindlessly repeating idiot and asshole in response to civil comments that you are incapable of refuting makes you look like and idiot and asshole.

                    Now do it again to make yourself fell better.

                    1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:41AM|#
                      “Sevo, mindlessly repeating idiot and asshole in response to civil comments that you are incapable of refuting makes you look like and idiot and asshole.”

                      Zaytsez, mindlessly repeating stupidity in response to answers only shows you are incapable of reading, and makes it clear you are an ignoramus.
                      Fuck off.

                    2. You haven’t offered a single argument in your forty odd comments on this thread.

                      Your a pathetic emotive child embarrassing itself.

                      Dance for me more, monkey, we both know that you will.

                    3. I remember you now!
                      The troll who trolls forever! Stupid? You bet? Cute? Thinks so.
                      Fuck off.

        3. There is no right anonymity – true.

          But that doesn’t mean that the government has or should have the privilege of *forcing* you to identify yourself. You do have a right to remain silent, remember.

          Its bad enough that we have to have license plates – for which there is no legitimate use – don’t go the route of having to identify the owner of *everything*. Because down that route lays mandatory ID and checkpoints.

          1. So our newest troll can kill your family because you oppose drone registration, right?
            I’m not sure tulpa was this stupid…

            1. So our newest troll ..

              I’ve been posting here for years, moron.

            2. So our newest troll ..

              I’ve been posting here for years, moron.

              1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:43AM|#
                “I’ve been posting here for years, moron.”
                Sorry, asshole, I hadn’t noticed your stupidity before.
                Fuck off.

                1. Another ad hominem.

                  What is that, thirty or forty by now.

                  Are you even capable of cogent advocacy?

                  Sorry, rhetorical question, obviously you’re not.

              2. Well you have gotten the attention of the Squirrels. =)

              3. Yes you have Tulpa. =)

          2. Its bad enough that we have to have license plates – for which there is no legitimate use –

            The legitimate use is to identify a person that causes damage and leaves the scene.

            Not that they are perfect for that use, far from it, but that is a legitimate, even libertarian justification for them.

            1. “even libertarian”

              You keep using those words as if you had the slightest idea what they meant.
              You don’t.

              1. So tell me why I’m wrong.

                Apparently I’m under the delusion that a libertarian society would work because personal responsibility will limit anti-social acts.

                But you are claiming that the entire concept of personal responsiblity is unlibertarian.

                So enlighten me.

                1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:25AM|#
                  “Apparently I’m under the delusion that a libertarian society would work because personal responsibility will limit anti-social acts.”

                  You’re under the delusion that registering with the government has anything to do with libertarianism.
                  In short, you’re either too stupid to understand what you propose or attempting some sophistry in the hopes of being cute.
                  Either way, fuck off.

                  1. You’re under the delusion that registering with the government has anything to do with libertarianism.

                    So every libertarian argument about personal responsibility is bullshit then?

                    For that matter, is incorporation against your libertarian principles as it requires registering with the government?

        4. In fact, the libertarian belief in individual responsibility necessarily precludes anonymity.

          Libertarianism is about non-initiation of force. Not personal responsibility. It is true that there is a lot of correlation between NIOF and PR, but that doesn’t make PR a libertarian belief. Certainly not to the point where it justifies the initiation of force, as you’re proposing.

      3. ROCK REGISTRATION NOW!!!

    2. If my drone crashed into your property it would nuclear melt down into a puddle of plastic and metal because I only fly shit with nuclear rated uranium on board. All rfid’s, drone license ass plates, and digital signatures would assassinated upon crashing? I also would have a single alien on board, tho, that would be instructed to drag your dogs, cats, children, and wives to safety so I am presuming this would set the scene for constructive dialogue.

      1. Could you PLEASE get back on your meds?

        1. What it is this vox purpura creatura? the floating careening odd voices collide like the comets streaming…

          wait- careening is not fucking streaming. Do fucking comets even stream? I think they just die like a violent laser escaping the gatling guns of space. I don’t think they collide unless the comet bullet smashed suicidal like into a rock larger than itself.

          so, truly, I’m not even fucking sure where this is going but I need to fucking change the notes raping my fucking earballs.

        2. I think you mean *off* his meds.

  15. Reason isn’t cutting new ground. Reason is delicate and I appreciate this and i am a goddamn subscribe even tho the FUCKING orange isn’t in my thread font and shit. I love Soave’s intensity. ENB will always be the gf of all libertarians even if she gets married makes tons of tiny crawlers. Welch is TV dude because he looks the fuck like a high school super agent that was killed in a time machine so his face always looks alarmingly 1950’s Hollywoodish but fucking adorable nonetheless and I get all the fucking Roots and Gillespies and shit. But this site needs space cocaine.

    I get that oil owns this site but because oil and international oil owns this shit doesn’t mean that shit should be so goddamn weak on the motherfucking weekend, man. Jesus fucking christ.

    1. “…even tho the FUCKING orange isn’t in my thread font and shit…”
      AC, that’s not a matter of subscribing or not. The orange means the handle is a link to a site.
      Sevo isn’t a link to any site, so regardless of the many years of subscription, the handle stays blue.
      I prefer it that way.

      1. Well, that may well be since you trend a bright bouncy light but Fetty Wap is such a fucking drag at times, Sevo.

  16. WRT the “how can it possibly be done” argument – simply by creating a large statutory damage amount to the manufacturer and retailer of any drone that caused physical damage that was not registered. Something like a $1 million dollar statutory top off would do the trick. That’s not even new legal ground as it is similar to the statutory damage for individual acts of digital piracy.

    1. And as we all know digital piracy never happens.

      1. Is this where we pretend that increasing the cost of transaction does not lead to fewer transactions?

        1. No, it’s where we acknowledge that passing another law won’t stop the activity.
          You really aren’tt too bright.

          1. So why oppose any law anytime, since your saying that the don’t matter anyway?

            1. “So why oppose any law anytime, since your saying that the don’t matter anyway?”

              So you’re suggesting that I or anyone shouldn’t bother opposing a gun-registration law?
              You seem very confused; I’m pointing out that there are already penalties for causing harm; you’re claiming it needs more, as if that will solve the problem.
              Are you tulpa posting under one more sock?

              1. You seem very confused; I’m pointing out that there are already penalties for causing harm; you’re claiming it needs more, as if that will solve the problem.

                You wrote: “it’s where we acknowledge that passing another law won’t stop the activity.”

                So again, if laws are pointless why oppose them?

                1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:06AM|#
                  “So again, if laws are pointless why oppose them?”

                  You seem very confused, even for an ignoramus.
                  Read my comments again and fuck off. There is only so much assholery I’ll tolerate.

                  1. I’m not confused at all. I know that the enforcement of laws lead to a loss of liberty. You’re the one arguing that laws have no effect even as you vehemently oppose them.

                    1. “laws have no effect even as you vehemently oppose them.”

                      this is nonsense.

                      of course stupid laws have effects. they tend to increase costs for all parties unnecessarily, create perverse disincentives, strangle markets, and punish the innocent.

                      The argument for opposing stupid laws is that the cost-effects they impose are not worth the entirely marginal benefits they might theoretically provide. and in many cases, do not provide at all.

                      Just because a law “might” have some theoretical marginal benefit doesn’t mean opposition to it is based on the argument it has “no” benefits. Opposition to law can – and often should be – based on the presumption that these kinds of regulatory laws simply lead to layer after layer of subsequent regulatory controls trying to “fix” the problem they are utterly unsuited to solve, and consequently impose massive costs, perverse penalties, without ever really providing any of the benefit they ostensibly exist for. See = everything to do with Drug Law in the US.

    2. ZayCom, be similar to driving a car and the insurance required. Drone traffic will require sim insurance from all the participants. I am fucking trying to wrap my goddamn head around digital piracy and basic fucking vehicular insure.

      1. Yes well, laws requiring auto liability insurance only work because of automobile registration and drivers licensing, and the enforcement of those laws.

        In Sevo’s world, people would drive as recklessly as they wanted, with no consequences because no one would be able to figure out who caused what damage from their doing so.

        1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 12:48AM|#
          “Yes well, laws requiring auto liability insurance only work because of automobile registration and drivers licensing, and the enforcement of those laws.”
          Which they don’t.

          :”In Sevo’s world, people would drive as recklessly as they wanted, with no consequences because no one would be able to figure out who caused what damage from their doing so.”
          In Zaytsev’s world, everyone is as stupid as Zaytsev and invents strawmen as they please.
          You might look under your desk chair; your brain seems to have leaked out.

          1. You’re just too stupid to realize the consequences of the positions that you advocate.

            In this specific case, complete anonymity means that a person cannot be held accountable for their actions because the are unknown.

            Just admit that you were wrong about that instead of tripling and quadrupling down on your idiocy.

            1. Zaytsev|10.17.15 @ 1:04AM|#
              “Just admit that you were wrong about that instead of tripling and quadrupling down on your idiocy.”

              Just admit you’re an ignoramus too stupid to understand what I’ve written and fuck off.

              1. Great argument, totally convincing.

                Now quintuple down one your idiocy with another non responsive attack.

                Dance for me monkey, DANCE!

        2. Not that it’s an “a-ha” moment for your guys’ old man paying contest, but New Hampster does not have a mandatory auto insurance statute and things haven’t gone to hell in a handbasket.

          1. paying – pissing

    3. So you’ve gone from ‘personal responsibility’ to ‘make the deep pockets pay’ here.

      1. Agammamon|10.17.15 @ 1:10AM|#
        “So you’ve gone from ‘personal responsibility’ to ‘make the deep pockets pay’ here.”

        Help yourself; you’ve got a good one here; either monumentally stupid or sophomoric.
        If the later, it’s ‘clever’ enough to make me wonder if it’s not a tulpa or bo sock and I stopped wasting time on that comic-book crap a while back.

      2. No, I said that it was a method of actualizing registration.

        It’s a utilitarian argument countering the utilitarian critique that “registration would be impossible

        Of course, the simple minded, like Sevo are incapable of separating utilitarian arguments from moral ones.

    4. Automobiles that are used on public roads require registration and insurance because they can easily cause massive amounts of damage and personal injury or death. Because they’re multi-ton hunks of steel zipping around at high speed.

      Drones are, of necessity, light little plastic things. The danger of damage from them is very low.

      Indeed, you can legally purchase an automobile without registering it; the FAA’s proposal would actually introduce a registration scheme more expansive than that for automobiles!

  17. Nothing to cut

  18. Every single piles of bottles has at least a shot’s worth of liquor in those.

  19. even the fucking wires of the globe irritate my ass.

  20. Homeland security bitches write their little fucking lists about
    the definitions of things that make them cry in the dark
    and I guess Tupac beats out Agile?
    Nah, Agile beats out Tupac. Cuz, Agile Cyborg is a fucking
    spaceship that hates space. I don’t understand how that is possible.
    Let me think for a second.

  21. Fucking too many bottles on my space craft, boys.

  22. fuck these remixes, spotify you fucking deliberate totalitarian tsumani of hell. Why would you jam your fucked up cock into my ear like that?

  23. Dead geniuses screaming and singing litter my brain and none of this has made me live forever.

  24. Is 2016 the year of the weakest human ever?

  25. I think what occurred in the late 60’s into the 70’s and the fucking goddamn whore Christians of that shitty Colorado Springs fuck and his evangelical dumbshit whatever assaulting sexual freedom and speech is happening right now except that the fucking goddamn brain squished doofuses assaulting sexual freedom and speech are goddamn socialists in the proper leftist spaces and the square Berkely’s.

    Fuck this shit, man. Fucking old school liberals would FUCKING HATE MODERN leftist millenials. But, to be fair, modern shit fuckers at Columbia and Harvard can’t read except what is pissed down their throats by their master and mistresses in the schooling paid for by dead billionaires…

    Praise dead people and their piss in the face of genius rich retards.

    squares are ovals and dicks and vaginas and space is a cupcake.

    Peace out, I have 4 lines of cocaine to enjoy and 2 percoset which means I will be eating tacos while Van Zandt cries about his dead imaginations.

    1. Fucking old school liberals would FUCKING HATE MODERN leftist millenials.

      Thing is the liberals have been crypto-socialists for over a century though. See William Jennings Bryan, Woodrow Wilson, H.H. Asquith, etc.

  26. “All the drones are registered, Sir. We have collected all the fees, but somehow our agency is still running in the red. What shall I do?”

    “Raise the fee.”

    “But people are already starting to deliver things on foot again. You’ll destroy what’s left of the market, Sir.”

    “Make them mandatory. Sure we can get Roberts to agree.”

    1. This is just a tax on drones. Constitutional!

      1. Eat your damn broccoli and like it.

        1. Can I put cheese on it?

          1. Only if it’s govt cheese made by a good friend of mine. He pays a living wage because he takes it from you. Why don’t you

  27. It’s 12:20 AM and I’m checking in on Reason just to see Agile Cyborg. I am not disappointed.

    I should go to sleep soon, get up early to go to the pub at 7 AM and watch Jurgen Klopp’s new look Liverpool kick Tottenham ass.

    1. “watch Jurgen Klopp’s new look Liverpool kick Tottenham ass.”

      I’ll take your word on that.

  28. My reason waves scream with the tones reflecting
    on the faces of stalwart steel mountains
    the letters of my favored men and women of liberty
    flying into the jaded space of disquiet and discontent
    ever met with the cornered gaze and speculative lip dribble because
    socialists stare for long periods of time and fucking shit
    leaks out of their goddamn lips and shit.
    Fucking communists dribble like evangelists.
    It’s all about flexing gangster muscle to fucking
    go all Ars Technica on society… LIBERTY IS QUESTIONABLE
    go all DNC…. LIBERTY IS QUESTIONABLE
    Salon…. LIBERTY IS QUESTIONABLE
    Mother Jones… LIBERTY IS QUESTIONABLE
    CNN…. LIBERTY IS QUESTIONABLE

    they all would make awesome reporters on the sad fuck that practiced witch craft and was beheaded last week in our awesome motherfucking ally: saudi arabia

    LIBERTY IS QUESTIONABLE types report on the witch craft beheading dude and go, “bitch broke the law. So bitch got his head chopped off. Praise the State.”

    This is why leftists and feminists and socialists never fight the goddamn middle east and FUCK Reason for resisting the insanity of the middle east as it collapses.

    The brutal state is the favorite gun of leftists. Conservatives enjoy shotguns. Leftists enjoy the painful and brutal state.

    1. Fuckem, Agile. They buttfuck the populace until the populace feels a viscous stream of blood filling their loafers. Then the people reach back and with a barbaric yelp and rip the goods out like Bruce Willis in Sin City. It’s the way it has always been done.

    2. Are you, Are you
      Coming to the tree
      Where the dead man called out for his love to flee
      Strange things did happen here
      No stranger would it be
      If we met up at midnight in the hanging tree

      1. The muscles of reality craned
        their necks into my death futures, love.

  29. I forgot about the parrots
    we had rented a large boat a few summers ago to watch some fucking rare
    parrots or whatever in some shit place in South America and crap. So after
    me and our 3 males and 4 women figured out that dying in a strange place
    chartered for parrots in a state filled with fucking possibilities of never returning
    to the place we like to eat hotdogs and catfish… So I can’t fucking even remember the
    name of this geopolitical like climate saving bullshit trip was about because
    the night before I had met some goddamn fucking naked injuns standing on a
    corner next to fucking mini palm trees and these bitches said I could meet
    the devil for 40 bucks and I’m like hellya…
    And these bitches appearance was if they wore soulful notes and weary piano strikes
    and shit so I walked back into the fucking costa rica mountains very fucking unwisely
    but fuck it…. I’ve done goddamn worse.
    so I followed the naked indians until the moon stood tippy toed right on our mountain
    and the brother of furs and painted limbs bent down and then up and his arm bore that
    which fucked my mind up for quite some time…

    1. If this ever happens to you, in a jungle in costa rica… you might need years of therapy and tons of drugs to recover if you aren’t already a cokehead motherfucking pill popping alcoholic such as yours truly…
      I drank this naked indian jizz and within 30 minutes my arms melted off and i could not smell but my eyes saw every single thing as trillions of atoms and this went on for 3 days. I lost like fucking 11 pounds.

  30. Economics replication problem

    http://www.realclearscience.co…..09413.html

  31. I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHIT !!!!

    1. All of my favorite peeps tonight. =D

  32. Rather than leave this spread around multiple parts of this thread.

    Zaytzev.

    1. You don’t care about personal responsibility?

    You’re talking about *accountability to others* for your actions – that is not the same as personal accountability or responsibility. Both of those basically mean that if your life suck – its your fault due to the decisions you made.

    2. I don’t know what you mean by ‘mandatory identification’ and am certain that I did not use that phrase.

    You know what I mean by ‘mandatory identification’ – you’re advocating mandatory registration. That registration is useless *without* that identification. And its useless to hold someone accountable to you for their actions if they can feign ignorance and you can’t prove their identity.

    3. The legitimate use is to identify a person that causes damage and leaves the scene.

    Not that they are perfect for that use, far from it, but that is a legitimate, even libertarian justification for them.

    Except that justification for mandatory registration and identification of a vehicle and its owner is also the same justification for mandatory registration and identification of a person. Would you say that its legitimate to require everyone to go around with a license plate on their backs? Would make IDing criminals easier, wouldn’t it?

    1. 4. No, I said that it was a method of actualizing registration.

      It’s a utilitarian argument countering the utilitarian critique that “registration would be impossible”

      Yes, its a utilitarian argument that says its too hard to hold the people responsible for the actual damaging act accountable so you’re going for the next circle out to find someone to shoulder the responsibility of making the injured party whole – you’re going after the deep pockets.

      In any case – libertarian philosophy is not about yoking people to the state to ensure that any injury they do to others can be punished by the state. You want someone held accountable for their injury to you – go hold them accountable. Al the solutions you’re proposing boil down to giving the state more power. Power to intervene in every little altercation between people.

    2. 1) Fine – do you believe that people should be held accountable for their actions, including the damage that they cause?

      2) WRT Mandatory Identification for individuals. You are making a straw man argument because people are visually identifiable to other people. That is not as true with manufactured machines like automobiles and drones which are mass produced and tools used by actual humans.

      3) Straw man argument.

      4) No, I’m saying that the threat of damages to them could be used to enforce registration.

      1. 1. I believe that if you want to hold someone accountable for their actions – then do so. But you don’t impose on others to make it easier on yourself.

        2. Knowing what I look like =/= knowing my identity. Or even how to get ahold of me. And it certainly doesn’t preclude me disguising myself – which is a right (and capability) I *do* have.

        3. That’s not what ‘straw man’ argument means. You claim there is a legitimate governmental function for requiring ID of vehicles – I disagreed and I stated the basis of my disagreement.

        4. You’re saying the threat of going after the deep pockets will ‘incentivize’ those deep pockets to taking actions that will make it easier for *you* to hold people who injure you accountable?

        So you’re going after the deep pockets because their easier to get at than the people actually responsible for the injury.

        1. 1) Accountability involves an imposition.

          2) Knowing what you look like is a short step from knowing your identity.

          3) Your claiming that supporting vehicle registration requires also supporting ‘human registration’ is a strawman argument.

    3. Rather than leave this spread around multiple parts of this thread.

      Why is that tolerated, btw? This thread was an interesting discussion until the moron used it as a litterbox for his mental excretions.

  33. And I’ll pile on the troll:
    1. You claim there is ‘no right to anonymity’.
    You seem to think ‘rights’ are individual privileges granted by some power or other. Not true; we are free to do as we please, including remaining anonymous when we choose to do so, so long as that anonymity harms no one. You have shown no harm by dint of anonymity, hence your claim is false,
    2. You then claim that anonymity somehow makes crime possible.
    Well, so does travel. So does owning a weapon. Further, do you think criminals now leave calling cards when committing a crime?
    What you propose is exactly analogous to a fire-arm ban; treat everyone as if they are a criminal and hope that stops crime.
    It is both abhorrent to those who value freedom and a failure, as is obvious from more examples than we can count.

    1. 1) In the course of daily activity you are knowable to everyone that you interact with.

      2) I said that anonymity makes accountability impossible. Travel or tool ownership do not.

      1. 1. Seeing me =/= knowing who I am. Sure I’m *knowable* – that doesn’t mean any of these people know or have the ability to find out who I am. And, frankly, *most* of the people I interact on a day to day basis know little more than what I look like. Certainly not my name or where I live.

        2. But *anonymous travel or tool ownership* does.

        And I said earlier that I agree that we don’t have a right to anonymity – but neither do others have a right to force us to give up what anonymity we have.

        That means you’re perfectly within your rights to take action to pierce a veil of anonymity – but that person is both within their rights to have made one in the first place and to take actions to prevent you from piercing it.

        1. 1) In the real world, your personal interactions with people make you knowable, most of the time it is not worth the effort to do so but commit a horrendous enough crime and your identity will be quickly determined.

          2) This is meaningless word salad.

          1. I won’t bother adding to A’s comments other than to mention that you are a troll, engaged in sophistry which I’m sure you find amusing.

  34. Welch is on the race bater’s show defending capitalism to a group of commies.

    1. Good luck to the man. But if they could be swayed by evidence then they would not be commies.

      1. Hopefully, he puts himself through it to persuade viewers and not the idiots sitting across the desk from him.

  35. Welch is on the race bater’s show defending capitalism to a group of commies.

  36. The race bater asks Why doesn’t socialism exist in the US?

    Answer – Duh, racism!

    And of course Welch doesn’t challenge that assertion at all.

  37. Wait, didn’t Joe Biden say we were allowed to fire two shotgun rounds into the air?

    “I thought there was a burglar in my yard… Oops, I hit that drone!”

  38. I was going to mention that on another thread except for the life of me I couldn’t think of the word “drone” somehow my mind has associated drones with war killing machines. I was going to say there wasn’t a huge hoopla scare everyone predicted of snooping drones hovering around all our homes. I don’t care if they fly over my property but If they’re going to take residency I might use a paint ball gun to blur the lense.

  39. Don’t buy a drone, buy a model airplane ? Because three years ago that’s what they were called.

    Pardon my French, but this “drone” crap is exactly that, crap. No one cared when they were model airplanes and model helicopters. Now they are “drones” and they’ve become the flying equivalent of the Pop-Tart “gun.”

    America is well and truly screwed. The Land of the Free and the Home of hte Brave has been morphed into the Home of the Metrosexual and the Land of Afraid of Dust Bunnies Under the Bed.

  40. There are even more practical problems with registering drones.

    – How do you indicate registration? Paint a number on the side of the drone? That will mean nothing unless someone sees it close enough to read the number.

    – What prevents fake numbers? The FAA is not going to be stamping miniature license plates for drone-makers to attach.

    – What, exactly, is being registered? The airframe? But many drone users will crack an airframe and put the guts into another one. So is that the “same” drone, or not?

    1. But according to Zaytsev, un-registered drones mean mother-stabbing and father-raping!

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