Mass Shooting at Oregon College, Arson at Planned Parenthood, Hurricane Threatens East Coast: P.M. Links

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  A shooter has killed several people at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. Details are still extremely vague. Reports indicate seven to 10 dead and 20 injured.

• Russia is defending its airstrikes in Syria against accusations that they're just bombing whatever and purposefully helping President Bashar al-Assad.
• Police say a small fire set in the lobby of a Planned Parenthood building in Thousand Oaks, California, was arson.
• Black Lives Matter leaders say they will not attempt to disrupt this weekend's Twin City Marathon in Minneapolis. They will be provided space near the finish line to hold a rally, but have agreed not to go onto the course to try to stop racers from completing.
• The bakers in Oregon ordered by the state to pay $135,000 to the lesbian couple they declined to sell a wedding cake are refusing to fork over the money while they attempt to appeal.
• Hurricane Joaquin has strengthened as it approaches the eastern U.S. coast. Its trajectory is still uncertain.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

A shooter has killed several people at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon.

I blame gun powder.

[Ted S.]

I blame Donald Trump.

[Juvenile Bluster]

I blame George Washington and his bunch. If not for those traitors, we'd be living under the far more enlightened gun laws of England.

[grrizzly]

I blame James K. Polk.

[Pan Zagloba]

Oh come on, you would have totally reasonable, absolutely pro-gun laws of Canada. Michael Moore told me so. Because Canadian government doesn't get in the way of gun ownership in any way whatsoever!

[Lee G]

I blame the Ump

[Rich]

Pour qua?

[Lee G]

es-tu s?rieux?

[Rich]

Oui, oui!

[Lee G]

One of my favorite magazines when I was a teenager.

[Old Man With Candy]

Oh man, you're old.

[C. Anacreon]

Actually, already up to 13 dead, per the live reports.

[B.P.]

Ugh.

[Restoras]

Stand by for revisions.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I've heard 7-15.

The 15 number came from the idiot supervisor who said it over the air just a few minutes after the shooting.

[C. Anacreon]

They're saying the 13 number is "According to the AG".

We all know what AGs can be like.

[C. Anacreon]

Oops, now they've changed the TV feed to say "15 Confirmed Dead"

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hello.

Still. A sad episode.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hurricane Joaquin has strengthened as it approaches the eastern U.S. coast.

They should have given it a Syrian name.

[Certified Public Asshat]

You made me curious Fist.

Apparently Joaquin means:

GOD WILL JUDGE.

[Rich]

Whoa.

What does Sandy mean?

[Timon 19]

GOD POOPED HERE.

[Certified Public Asshat]

Sandy means:

Sand, bitch

[Enough About Woodchippers]

Sandi spells he name with an i not a y.

[Pan Zagloba]

It comes from Alexander, it means "You're about to get fucked, Persians."

[gaoxiaen]

Hurricane Saint Paul?

[grrizzly]

CNBC releases polling criteria for next GOP debate that threatens to put Rand Paul at the kids table for the first time ? and he might be eating alone!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....alone.html

Network says it will invite candidates averaging 2.5 per cent or better in an average of polls to participate in its main event on October 28

Candidates averaging 1 per cent or more will be invited to an undercard debate, an arrangement seen twice before

Rand Paul is the only GOP White House hopeful who would qualify for the so-called 'kids table' event, with a 2.3 per cent average

Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, George Pataki and Lindsey Graham are all averaging less than 1 per cent

[Ted S.]

So Rand will get an hour all to himself!

[C. Anacreon]

And yet Rand is sending out emails bragging that some new Reuters poll has him 'on the rise' and 'in 5th place'.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Christie won't leave any food for the kid's table.

[Illocust]

That's not a bad deal. A hour to answer questions without interruptions from Trump could do wonders.

[Cytotoxic]

He may as go Full Rand and not having Trump around to distract people means they can hear his message. It will be easy for him to be the 'noteworthy' one of the debate, like Fiorina was but more so.

[Contrarian P]

Of course one wonders why anyone would tune in for essentially a Rand Paul infomercial.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Rand Paul is the only GOP White House hopeful who would qualify for the so-called 'kids table' event, with a 2.3 per cent average

Okay, I'm filing to run for president this weekend. What I need from you guys is to spread the word about my candidacy so that I can get up to 1% of the GOP vote, which shouldn't be difficult since I'm just going to release a few videos defaming immigrants and declaring Jorge Ramos a dirty wetback. That's guaranteed to net me 1% with the Republican electorate.

Then I'll get a full hour to hang out with Rand Paul. Plus, since my debate performance is going to consist entirely of racial slurs and accusations of rape lobbed wildly at all of my opponents, I'll either make Rand Paul look really good, or I'll strike a chord with Republican voters and wind up the front runner.

[Mad Scientist]

"Oregon. Tolerant Oregon."

-Jello Biafra

[Fist of Etiquette]

Police say a small fire set in the lobby of a Planned Parenthood building in Thousand Oaks, California, was arson.

S'more residue not found.

[Just say Nikki]

Black Lives Matter leaders say they will not attempt to disrupt this weekend's Twin City Marathon in Minneapolis. They will be provided space near the finish line to hold a rally, but have agreed not to go onto the course to try to stop racers from completing.

Phew! Don't they know bitches' taper anxiety is through the roof even without this ish?

[This Machine]

What... What do those words mean?

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

ish means shit, right? I've intuited that correctly, I hope.

[Just say Nikki]

Yes.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Phew. For so long, I though smh was "so much hate." I don't know why, and though I now know it means "shake my head," I still first read it as the former when I see it.

[Ayn Random Variation]

I thought SJW was Single Jewish Woman

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Ha ha!

[Pathogen]

Close..

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Did AC highjack your account?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Not enough references to lovely jizz.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Thanks dear.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

I wasn't sure what 'taper' was supposed to be. It could be jizz?

[Just say Nikki]

In the last couple-three weeks before you run a marathon, you train less than you have been to conserve energy for the race. That's "the taper."

"Taper anxiety" is because you've been used to running tons of mileage and now you're not and you feel all antsy, especially with the big day coming up.

[commodious spittoon]

Is that why I sometimes get so shaky when I come off a bender? Post-binge anxiety?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

No, this is definitely jizz induced.

[This Machine]

Ah, okay. I've had to do that before. Just never heard it like that. Thanks!

[Vapourwear]

So jonesing for a fix, then.

[Ted S.]

I'd love to see a bunch of Kenyan marathoners put out by the Black Lives Matter people.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Racist.

[Ted S.]

By "put out", I just mean inconvenienced. Not knocked out or anything like that.

[commodious spittoon]

Don't lie, you meant put out like snuffed.

[C. Anacreon]

I just flew back to California from Minneapolis yesterday. Looks like I got out just in time.

Unrelated, it seemed like everyone who worked in the airport there was Sudanese.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Ethiopians run the airport here. Even the rental cars.

[lap83]

"even without this ish?"

Are they running out of ideas for slang and just stealing it from Minnesotans?

[gaoxiaen]

Oh. I thought it was tapir anxiety.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Russia is defending its airstrikes in Syria against accusations that they're just bombing whatever...

Any baby milk factories?

[Pathogen]

The puppy orphanage.. and the museum of natural history...

[Rich]

The bakers in Oregon ordered by the state to pay $135,000 to the lesbian couple they declined to sell a wedding cake are refusing to fork over the money while they attempt to appeal.

Perhaps the Pope will cough it up.

[Tonio]

FTFA, the couple is sitting on $500K of crowdfunded donations. So they could pay the $135K and walk away with $365K. Greed, principle or both?

Also, they've appealed the decision and I think it's reasonable for them to not pay until all their appeals are exhausted, particularly since this is an "emotional damage" issue; not like the plaintiffs have any bills to pay as a result of the bakers' actions. This is not to be construed as support for public accommodation applied to private entities, but as support for rule of law.

[perlchpr]

not like the plaintiffs have any bills to pay as a result of the bakers' actions.

Dude. You clearly have no idea of the sort of Preparation H bills that much butthurt can run up.

[Pope Jimbo]

Fuck that!

[Fist of Etiquette]

The bakers in Oregon ordered by the state to pay $135,000 to the lesbian couple they declined to sell a wedding cake are refusing to fork over the money while they attempt to appeal.

They're virtual gay bashing all over again.

[Pope Jimbo]

I bet by tomorrow someone will try to link the hateful actions of these bakers to not fork the money over to the college shooting.

[Trigger Warning]

Oregonians tolerate people who think and act just like they do. That's about it.

[Notorious UGCC]

"Black Lives Matter leaders say they will not attempt to disrupt this weekend's Twin City Marathon in Minneapolis."

How generous of them! What a gracious concession!

They give and they give, but nobody appreciates them!

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

Reminds me of a Monty Python bit:

Badger: I'll not interrupt this sketch for a pound.

Wang: What?

Badger: For one pound I'll leave this sketch totally uninterrupted.

Wang: What?

Badger: Fifty pence ... I'm prepared to negotiate a forty-pence deal. For 35P I won't interrupt any of the next three items.

[Rich]

Ben Carson: 'Hitler' could happen here

You know who else ....

[Ted S.]

Barack Obama could happen here, too.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Barack Obama could happen here, too.

Fascists gonna Fascist ....

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Well, sometimes the Donald, when he's talking about the jews messicans, has a familiar lilt to it...

[Tonio]

Now I really hate Carson for coming up with a Godwin-proof statement.

[Akira]

Well (judging from the video clip) he's not entirely wrong about how suppressing free speech is a vital tool of dictators.

[waffles]

Police are checking their bags as they leave the campus.

Why? So no one can bring home a gory souvenir?

[Ted S.]

So no one can take home anything that's evidence of police incompetence.

[Rich]

To keep them *safe*, waffles.

Sheesh, must I explain *everything*?

[waffles]

I like it when men explain things to me.

[Rich]

Go on ....

[commodious spittoon]

Quiet, dear, there's men speaking.

[Charles Easterly]

"Police are checking their bags as they leave the campus."

Overheard near the front door: "You take the blonde, I'll take the one in the turban."

[Rich]

+ High Marx

[Rich]

"Black Lives Matter leaders say they will not attempt to disrupt this weekend's Twin City Marathon in Minneapolis."

"Ima let you finish, but ...."

[DEATFBIRSECIA]

+1 Beyonce shoulda won!

[Pan Zagloba]

I'd say she doesn't have a sprinter's build, but marathon?

[B.P.]

So, I needed a haircut yesterday. I've been getting the same Jazz Age/Gatsby-inspired haircut for the last 30 years. My normal haircuttist just departed work to follow her bliss or some shit, so I hit the Internet to find out exactly how to describe this haircut to a new barber. Turns out all the cool kids are now getting variations of this haircut (and have been for a couple of years?), and some are calling it a Hitler Youth. Cue morons who know nothing of history, or anything else, really...

http://ounodesign.com/2014/05/.....r-haircut/

Apparently my haircut has been broadcasting the reemergence of fascism and masculinity in crisis. Or something. (Whatever it's doing, it apparently ain't broadcasting sex appeal)

[Notorious UGCC]

You know who else liked the Hitler Youth haircut?

[DEATFBIRSECIA]

Skrillex?

[Ted S.]

Nicole?

[Just say Nikki]

I...do. I pretty much do.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

You were into it before it was cool.

/Hipler Youth

[Rich]

Epi's Hitler's mom?

[Tonio]

The main character in The Wall?

[Charles Easterly]

+1 Thin Ice

[Mindyourbusiness]

Ernst Roehm?

[Pathogen]

The boys from Brazil?

[Brett L]

A young Christian Bale?

[Ted S.]

They wouldn't be so up in arms over a Che Guevara haircut.

[Restoras]

I see that cut a lot in derpalicious NYC and its environs.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

My co-worker got it recently (though retaining a ponytail). I knew there was something familiar about it...

[Jordan]

Should've just gone with a bowl cut.

[Ted S.]

Go for a tonsure.

[Mad Scientist]

Get an ape drape, B.P.
They're giving them to anyone, and that means you.

[Rhywun]

I'm working on the 'Chemotherapy' version myself - been shaving the top forever and I just thought it was time to grow something again. Especially since I can. Fortunately I just do it myself so I never had to try to explain it to anyone.

[Ted S.]

To be fair, there's not *any* haircut you could get that woul broadcast sex appeal.

[B.P.]

Yeah, well, my sex appeal is scent-based, so I don't fuss much with the visuals.

[waffles]

I think this haircut works if you trim the top more. Then it's just a preppy crew cut with a fauxhawk thing going on. Anyway, I'm all about positive masculinity these days. *shoots test into left buttocks* Yep, positive.

[The Last American Hero]

It's not the hair so much as the hair coupled with that distinctive mustache that went out of style in 1941.

[FreeOne Michael]

Yep, I'm still trying to sell stuff. Buy something, won't you? Feed a poor libertarian. In time for fall, here's a hoodie: http://www.zazzle.com/freeone_.....7910211805

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You need to sell this:
http://smg.photobucket.com/use.....w.png.html

Otherwise, beat it.

[0x90]

If the Beatles re-formed and played a show in my living room, you still wouldn't catch me paying 57 bucks (plus shipping) for a sweatshirt.

If you really believed this thing could happen, you'd be willing to invest in it. You could make money selling at half that price, if you were willing to do more than upload some artwork to an online supplier.

But that would take a real belief in what you're offering, as well as a decent amount of research, investment, and legwork (there are screen printers in your city, you know), as opposed to this pathetic (feed a poor libertarian -- really?) fishing.

[Injun, as in from India]

'Sup people. Back from break. New things learned:

1) Questioning the ethics of abortions will earn you the title of "misogynist".
2) Abortion is an inextricable part of women's healthcare.
3) Fungibility is Faux News claptrap when it comes to PP funding.
4) Standing up for the right of religious taxpayers to not be forced into subsidizing PP is nonsense, even if you are an atheist like me.
5) The law is about fairness, PP funding is fairness for women.
6) Religion has nothing to do with the law. As for free exercise, meh!

[Palin's Buttplug]

We already had a thread for Aborto-Freaks.

[GILMORE?]

I love abortions (hugs abortion) and think they should be widely available.

I just don't think taxpayers should pay for them. Why are you so stupid?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Why are you so stupid?

Failed abortion attempt left him with brain damage.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I don't think taxpayers should pay for them either.

They don't pay for PP abortions by law.

I know MONEY IS FUNGIBLE BLAY BLAH BLAH.

[GILMORE?]

This doesn't explain why you're so stupid?

[R C Dean]

Well, which is it, Plugs? Is money fungible, or are taxpayers not paying for abortions.

I eagerly await your proof that money is not fungible.

[CampingInYourPark]

Oh yeah? What handle is your mom posting under? $700gold?

[Injun, as in from India]

7) Asking a leftist if the NRA should be funded by taxpayers because 97% of its services are safety & training will earn you a lot of anger and shrieking because PP = Noble, NRA = Terror.
8) Forced association or conscience is never a concern if a leftist cause is at stake.

[mad.casual]

97% safety and training and the other 3% is membership and member tracking relations.

[R C Dean]

Who knows, but I suspect the NRA's budget at this point is about 50% fundraising expenses, 20% lobbying/political giving, 10% safety, and 20% grossly overpaying their executives.

[The Last American Hero]

Per the 2013 990, they brought in about $347 million - about 96 million in contributions. The remainder was from program fees, membership dues, investment income.

They spent about $290 million. $27 million on legislative activities and 5 million on executive comp. Program expenses were 78 percent of total.

[R C Dean]

So they didn't spend over $50mm of their revenue?

Maybe they bank it for election years.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Progtard on DerpBook: It needs to be harder to get your hands on guns. I'm so sick of the strangle hold the NRA has on the politics of this country. Instead of helping to come up with some cooperative solution they are a humongous part of the problem. I'm sick of them.

My response to Progtard: " It needs to be harder to get an abortion. I'm so sick of the strangle hold the NARL/Planned Parenthood has on the politics of this country. Instead of helping to come up with some cooperative solution they are a humongous part of the problem. I'm sick of them." Right?

Crickets while he waits for HuffPo talking points ...

[Rufus J. Firefly]

We wondered where you were and then...ADHD kicked in and we forgot.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Now where the heck is John?

[Palin's Buttplug]

John is working full-time for the Huckabee campaign.

[R C Dean]

The symmetry of John working fulltime for Huckabee, and his nemesis Plugs working fulltime for whatever TEAM BLUE front is stupid to have him troll the internet for them, is awfully inviting, isn't it?

[Pathogen]

Booooooooooooosh?

[Injun, as in from India]

I've been doing projects you know. Learning and stuff.

Daydreaming of coding a blockbuster iPhone app inspired by the Office Space "Jump to Conclusions Mat", or writing a work of book.

Meanwhile, it looks like my fellow Injun bro Jindal is tanking. I will trade my tears for a barrel of crude oil from the Macondo well.

[Just say Nikki]

Sorry, we also already had a Jump to Conclusions Mat thread today.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

And every other day.

[Charles Easterly]

... and a Jump to Conclusions trampoline courtesy of GILMORE.

There was a bit of hopping about.

[GILMORE?]

huh? What i do this time?

[Charles Easterly]

"huh? What i do this time?"

Not a thing, GIL, this is my mistake: It was Gilbert Martin who mentioned the trampoline earlier.

I apologize for my confusion.

[Charles Easterly]

Dang it! Here

Sheesh. If this doesn't work then I'm giving the monocle the rest of the day off.

[GILMORE?]

"my fellow Injun bro Jindal is tanking."

Buy your "JINDAL For The WINDAL, 2016" T-shirts while you still can

[Tonio]

Welcome back, Hiawatha.

[Injun, as in from India]

ADVICE WANTED:

Question to UnCivilServant or Lord Humungus, or any other writers here.

Are there any resources you could point me to for book publishing? Can I email you from my paranoid pseudonymous email account with questions?

[Tonio]

Put it up on Amazon as an eBook if you want to maximize readership. Self-publish if you are interested in hard copies for friends, family, whoever, but remember that the vanity press (aka subsidy publishers) are notoriously shady; better to contract with a printer and do your own distribution than pay a "publisher" for bookstore placements that almost never yield sales.

[Pan Zagloba]

I have a friend who has several pseudonyms she writes various genres under, and her conclusion was that 'smut sells'. Oddly, her smut books are the only ones I haven't read.
But yeah, smut. Only you have to find the right balance. Start at 10 miliSFs and then see how it goes.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

I believe the Indian (from India) written porn market has already been cornered - the KARMA SUTRA. Get it?

[Pan Zagloba]

No, I'mma need some pictures here...

[Charles Easterly]

"Are there any resources you could point me to for book publishing?"

I'd like to read advice regarding this as well.

"... paranoid pseudonymous email account..."

It seems some of us think similar thoughts.

[Rich]

We asked Al Gore three times if he's running for president, and he wouldn't say no

"I'm just a Gore that can't say no."

[Restoras]

But maybe Beetlejuice will run instead?

[Granny Weatherwax]

Paging Swiss: we need a narrow gazing on aisle 3.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

He has ridden the mighty moon worm.

[Juvenile Bluster]

I'm sure if he finally publishes "Harry Potter and the Balance of Earth", his popularity will skyrocket.

[The Last American Hero]

You really think those brooms are zero emission? And don't get me started on the toxic chemicals released every time one of those kids apparate.

[Pan Zagloba]

Next time, instead of asking crow like a rooster and see if he changes his mind.

[Pope Jimbo]

Maybe he couldn't get a hold of Naomi Wolf and didn't know on his own how a real alpha male would answer that question?

[GILMORE?]

"accusations that they're just bombing whatever"

I think the accusations are that they're specifically bombing US-Funded and trained rebels rather than ISIS

It would all be very funny if US policy weren't so retarded. It amazes me that our media is able to hold it in their heads that it is Right and Good and Proper that the US funds and arms rebel groups to overthrow a country... but that it is Dastardly, Sinister and Underhanded when that country calls upon long-time allies to help crush that rebellion.

Its all enabled by the fuzzy idea that "some rebels are good guys!" and "some rebels are horrible (ISIS) guys!"... but that, well, OK, we didn't really figure that out until AFTER we gave all of them lots of weapons, but we need to get past that fact now because *RUSSIA BAD!!?*

If Russia is really committing a horrible crime right now, its openly showing the world that the US is completely hopeless, incompetent, and unable to justify itself to anyone. I promise you, we will be slinking away and saying, "Well, assad may not be so bad after all..." in no time.

[Lee G]

It was a bad play from the beginning. Doubling down now would just be idiotic.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Oh, I find it pretty funny. US policy there is so inept and Russia throws more of its dwindling money at military excursions.

[CatoTheChipper]

it is Right and Good and Proper that the US funds and arms rebel groups to overthrow a country

Hey, don't forget that, unlike ISIS and Al Nusra, US-backed "rebel groups" are moderate jihadis.

[BigT]

"moderate jihadis"

No beheading this week, Abdul, just take a little off the top.

[Pan Zagloba]

Well if they do manage to hit the "4 or 5 guys remaining", I'll change my opinion of Russian guidance systems....

And is it true that US was shipping M-16s to rebels (rather than ISIS getting them off Iraqis)?. Because if so, that's just trolling - to a disorganized insurgency they'll be as much use as a shipment of Durandal bombs or some nice plastic stir-sticks.

[GILMORE?]

The "4 or 5" were specifically people that were trained to be forward air controllers

the reason it was funny was because we'd spent hundreds of millions on the program yet had nothing to show for it.

"is it true that US was shipping M-16s to rebels (rather than ISIS getting them off Iraqis)?. '

No. of the arms we directly provided, we tended to buy AKs and RPKs and other combloc weapons, because "availability". We DID provide US heavy weapons in smallish amounts at different times (MANPAD missiles, mortars, anti-tank weapons).

The M16s, humvees you see ISIS driving around in are almost all stolen/given by the Iraqi army.

There was a huge amount of stuff that we'd funnelled to Libyan rebels in 2010-2011 which we were tried to re-consolidate and ship to Syrian rebels in 2012. That was part of what the CIA was doing in benghazi. people dispute the degree of "direct US involvement" but its splitting hairs - whether it was Egyptian intelligence, Saudis, Qataris, or others, we were always involved.

[Pan Zagloba]

OK, so it's not complete madness. AK, RPG and RPK is what you need for an insurgency, because they are cheap, and work, and can be fixed in the field, and if you can't fix it, your local smith/metalworker can probably take two broken ones and make one semi-functional.

But I'm a fanboy of Soviet designs (preferably manufactured by Czechs or Serbs)...

[GILMORE?]

e.g.post facto description of CIA program

"WASHINGTON ? A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.

The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries..."

This piece describing the program of arming rebels in Libya clarifies how the US functions as enabler, gatekeeper, stage manager

"In ...2011, just as the Libyan civil war was intensifying, Mr. Turi realized that Libya could be a lucrative new market, and applied to the State Department for a license to provide weapons to the rebels there... stating only that he planned to ship arms worth more than $200 million to Qatar. ... Mr. Turi, in an interview, said that his intent was to get weapons to Qatar and that what "the U.S. government and Qatar allowed from there was between them"

morons characterize this as "limited involvement"

[Cytotoxic]

Is the US actually buying the arms or just 'coordinating' ie pretending to be important? Did the shipment in the second paragraph actually happen?

[GILMORE?]

Maybe you should read more

[Pathogen]

"But I'm a fanboy of Soviet designs (preferably manufactured by Czechs or Serbs)...

The Czechs always made decent firearms, Bystrica/Brno/Skoda.. The Serbs manufactured decent weapons as well, but mostly for export markets.

[Redmanfms]

The Czechs literally NEVER manufactured "Soviet" designs.

Serbian manufacture is fucking garbage. Your taste sucks.

But whatever.

[Cytotoxic]

All in all, the number of weapons that the US *gave* to Syrian rebels is not that great (as opposed to those stolen from the Iraqi/Syrian army and given by Arabs). The Arabs and maybe Turks are doing it all. There's not even a strategy here to criticize it's all just half-assed hedging. "We have to do something because ACTION but we'll make it muddled and aimless to avoid (in our own minds) blame for bad stuff"

[GILMORE?]

You have a very interesting perspective that never ceases to enlighten

[Cytotoxic]

Thank you. I imagine you must be feeling embarrassed over the time you said I didn't know what I was talking about, and then demonstrated that you didn't know what you were talking about. Re: closer ties between Turkey and the KRG

[GILMORE?]

You dont know what you're talking about, and made idiotic adjustment of your claim that Kurds & Turks were BFF because of oil-deal

i have no desire to further interrupt your delusions

[Cytotoxic]

"made idiotic adjustment of your claim that Kurds & Turks were BFF because of oil-deal"

Again, I never said that. I said that relations were warming between Ankara and the KRG because of mutual interests. Feel free to educate yourself.

http://www.thenational.ae/worl.....solidarity

http://www.washingtoninstitute.....mmonwealth

Alternately, you can continue to make an ass of yourself and lump antagonists like the PKK and its rivals together as 'The Kurds'.

[GILMORE?]

""Again, I never said that. ""

You don't remember your original claims then

[Cytotoxic]

Oh do please dredge up the quote.

[Cytotoxic]

Some of the rebels are good...ish. The Southern Front ones are less crazy. This does not mean the US should give them stuff, especially since they suck at fighting and, by consequence of sucking at fighting, the crazies end up taking those weapons.

[GILMORE?]

"Black Lives Matter leaders say they will not attempt to disrupt this weekend's Twin City Marathon in Minneapolis."

Awwww? It was going to make such good TV

[Rich]

Wait. Did they say "will not attempt to" or "will attempt not to"?

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

#blackgrammardontmatter

[Notorious UGCC]

The cake article links to a longer article on the same subject.

It says "state officials have gone to court to establish their right to place a property lien or attach other assets" of the bakers. The government won't wait for the judicial appeal to be resolved, because these bakers have already raised so much money, they can surely afford this little matter of a fine!

Remember people like this guy saying, Tell me again: Exactly how is my marriage affecting you?

Oh, I don't know, how about the government seizing people's property, would that be an effect?

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Is that the guy suing the bakers?

[Notorious UGCC]

It was a very common meme.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Yes, and? Are any of them suing you? Or the bakers?

[The Hyperbole]

Look, MJG Doc Cit, unless you are vehemently opposed to the Gay Agenda? then you are answerable for any action taken by any queer, Just like all but the militant atheist is responsible for any action of any god-bother-ers. Its simple, really.

[Notorious UGCC]

I don't know what the aptly-named Bowman-Cryers have said about this talking point.

I'm just saying that this was the talking point of just about everyone else in the gay-rights movement.

Until now. Because now it's payback time. Time for the fundies to *suffer.*

[Tonio]

There is a difference between weddings and marriages, Eddie. Butt-hurt duly noted.

[Notorious UGCC]

Oh, well then, I'm sure these bakers are reassured that the government is seizing their property because of their dissent over weddings, not their dissent over marriage.

[Cytotoxic]

"how about the government seizing people's property, would that be an effect?"

No.

[rts]

8th grader suspended for Kool-Aid, sugar 'crack'

On Tuesday, school officials said she was caught on security cameras making "what looked like a drug-type transaction."

After Sibley was called into the head office, it became clear what she had in a Ziploc bag wasn't crack or cocaine, as officials initially thought, but a mixture of Kool-Aid powder and sugar.

She was slapped with a five-day suspension anyway.

[Jordan]

If she had chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun, they could have tacked on a weapons charge.

[generic Brand]

My (soon-to-be-published) law review article was on just that! Sad state of affairs, it is.

[Rich]

"happy crack," a mix of Kool-Aid and sugar

also known as "red drank".

[Riven]

How bizarre.

I don't remember the name of the product anymore, but when I was in grade school there was a brief fad surrounding what was essentially sweet/sour powder sold in what looked like a test tube. Everyone went nuts about it, and then we started making our own with different combinations of Koolaid and sugar and swapping them at school.

To think that nowadays we'd all be suspended for trading what is basically flavored sugar...

[Warty]

Pixie Stix?

[Riven]

No! I know what a pixie stix is.

I think it was called Crave or... something like that? But seriously, it wasn't just in a little paper straw like Pixie Stix. It was probably a solid 2 or 3 tablespoons of flavored sugar in an honest to goodness plastic test tube with a cap. I'll see if I can find it.

[Riven]

Something like this, basically.

[waffles]

We had little vials of this tart sugary stuff like that. Kiddie crack. Mmmm...I saw some in this discount store the other day. I'm almost 30 and I was tempted.

[crab_apple]

My favorite was the sour candy that came with the white chalky stick. I didn't really like the sour candy all that much but I did like the weird chalk stick.

[JeremyR]

Yeah, you'd dip the stick into the powder and lick the powder off.

[Ayn Random Variation]

Do they still make rock candy? I guess it kind of looks like crystal meth..

[Pan Zagloba]

Look, Michelle Obama wages tireless War on Sugar, and then someone like this comes and ruins it. Five days is not enough, I say! She should be forced to work at OFA for a month.

[Pope Jimbo]

Give the little cur whatever sentence you want. She's not gonna serve it anyhow.

After an hour or so the jailers will hear a crash and when they look in the detention room, there will just be a giant hole that looks like someone crashed through it.

A sugar freaked out El Chapo is what this is.

[Pan Zagloba]

Adult Swim, I think we have your new animated series here.

We'll call it "PowerPuff, The Dark Side"

[Mickey Rat]

It is basically a pixie stick! That IS kiddie crack!

[Ayn Random Variation]

"After Sibley was called into the head office.."

Talk about burying the lede.

[Enough About Woodchippers]

The bakers in Oregon ordered by the state to pay $135,000 to the lesbian couple they declined to sell a wedding cake are refusing to fork over the money while they attempt to appeal.

$135,000 for not baking a cake? What a crock of shit these two lesbians are.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, in their defense, it was the state coming up with the dollar amount. The gals simply played their victimhood to the hilt. (As I recall, one couldn't sleep because of it and gained weight from the stress.)

[Riven]

I'm sure it was just the stress that did it

[Pan Zagloba]

My word, a lesbian gaining weight after marriage?! Put a couple more zeroes on that fine!

[Irish ?s ESB]

I had that exact thought, felt bad for my vulgar lesbophobia, realized you said the same thing so I don't have to, and then felt good again.

[Pan Zagloba]

Making other men feel good about themselves through word, deed and, aye, mere presence, is my raison-d-etre (fuck french spelling and little ticks, can't be arsed to figure them on windows).

[B.P.]

"I was denied cake so I gained weight, your honor."

[Rich]

"Order in the court!"

"A box of bon-bons, your honor."

[lap83]

I don't see how the motive behind suing for that amount of money could be anything less than trying to put them out of business

[Sapient Mulch]

The bakers were actually fined for harassment after posting the lesbian's address on facebook with some nasty commentary.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Wow. That's pretty fucked up.

I have seen these kinds of fines without any sort of harassment though.

[Notorious UGCC]

As far as I can tell, when the state Department of Justice sent the Kleins a copy of the initial complaint, Mr. Klein had the audacity to post at least part of the complaint on his Facebook page. Apparently the complaint contained the complainants' address, but that wasn't the point of the posting - rather, it was to show the public how they were being legally attacked for exercising their First Amendment rights.

[Notorious UGCC]

Apparently the complainants are saying, "waah, they hit our fists with their faces!"

[Notorious UGCC]

And I found this the ruling (p. 40):

"the facts related solely to emotional harm resulting from media attention do not adequately support an award of damages."

The damages were based on the denial of service and the hurt feelings caused thereby.

[Notorious UGCC]

I found this *in* the ruling

[Sapient Mulch]

I'm not supporting either side in this. As a lesbian, I feel entitled to say, "the bitches shoulda gone elsewhere". As a libertarian, I absolutely don't want to have to make anything in my welding shop that will be used in support of religion. And I sure as hell don't want it made any easier to use the state to force people to do things. Bullshit all the way around.

[Notorious UGCC]

So as I understand it, you believe that you and the bakers, as business owners, should be able to decide what services to provide.

So I'm not sure how you aren't supporting the bakers here.

[Sapient Mulch]

I believe in an individual's right to freely associate, or not as they see fit. If a church comes to me to make something, it is absolutely my right to refer them elsewhere.

[Sapient Mulch]

I supported the bakers right up until the moment they posted to facebook.

[Libertymike]

What's the problem?

The lesbos initiated the aggression by going to the state.

Liberty comes first-not lesbo status.

[Virginian]

You supported the bakers right until they exercised their free speech rights?

[Vapourwear]

If they posted the complaint that's a public record...

[R C Dean]

The bakers were actually fined for harassment after posting the lesbian's address on facebook with some nasty commentary.

First Amendment - how does it work?

it was to show the public how they were being legally attacked for exercising their First Amendment rights.

And, yet again, we see LEOs and activists respond to an "unfounded " accusation by proving it true in every particular.

[Notorious UGCC]

And in the ruling, they say that Mr. Klein was generally credible, except that they disbelieved him on only one point: He had to have known the complainants' address was on the DoJ document when he posted it.

But the point of posting it was to show, "hey, this proves the government is coming after us because we exercised our First Amendment rights!"

[Sapient Mulch]

I think if it had remained a 1A issue, that would have been fine. When he posted their address, he crossed the line.

[Notorious UGCC]

Check this out.

I'm inclined to believe Mr. Klein that he posted the complaint - a public record - simply to show that he was getting attacked by the government, not to expose anyone's address.

Facebook took down the post promptly, and Mr. Klein apologized for his inadvertent error.

And at the time he only had a few followers on his recently-established Facebook account.

Even the biased Oregon Labor Department admitted Mr. Klein was a credible witness on every other issue, they simply disbelieved him about knowing about the address.

I suppose the Labor Department bureaucrats think that when you get a letter from the government, informing you that you've been accused of an offense for exercising your First Amendment rights, your first thought will be, "wait, let me go through this document to see if there's anything I need to blur out."

But this is a guy who probably isn't used to getting threats to his livelihood from the government, so he may have been a bit flustered.

And of course the gay activists will believe that Mr. Klein had a malicious motive, because the activists themselves, as part of their Modus Operandi, constantly subject their enemies to personal harassment, so they will project that same malice onto their victims.

[Notorious UGCC]

The article I linked also shows the Kleins were *not* fined for posting the address. They were fined for exercising their religion, just as they claim.

[The Last American Hero]

Interestingly, here in Washington, the Gay Rights crowd has worked hard to identify who voted against the gay marriage initiative and disclose their identity so the public shaming could begin. I'm fine if consenting adults want to get married, but working to remove that anonymity was beyond the pale. It was also interesting coming from a group that often kept their private lives private for fear of being outed. Soon as the public opinion shifted the other way they were at the front of the prosecution parade, pitchforks in hand.

[Notorious UGCC]

"It was also interesting coming from a group that often kept their private lives private for fear of being outed"

And I'm sure many in this group continue to respect others' privacy as they want their own to be respected.

But those activists who purport to *represent* the group (as Leninist "tribunes," I suppose) are totally for outing everyone.

[R C Dean]

When he posted their address, he crossed the line.

How is that not an exercise of free speech, again?

Asshole moves can still be free speech, you know.

[lap83]

The comments on the article are painful btw. A substantial number seem to base the argument that the bakers owe the money on the fact that they had a kickstarter. Never mind what the actual terms with the kickstarter funds were or how high their legal fees or how much their business has been affected. Lots of money in the hands of people we don't like must go to people we do like.

[Sapient Mulch]

Well see, it's just embarrassing to realize the religious fanatic socons can come up with a half million dollars on misguided principle to support someone they think is getting a raw deal and we libertarians could probably only scrape up about $37.50 if one of us got in a jam.

[Notorious UGCC]

What about Ron Paul's Money Bombs?

[Sapient Mulch]

Well sure! We could probably do better than $100 if there were presidential aspirations involved!

[GILMORE?]

File Under = America Aint All That Bad

In Tanzania, they Hack Albinos To Pieces And Sell Their Body Parts Because Magic

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's because we don't have any albinos.

[GILMORE?]

Booooo the link

[Notorious UGCC]

Holy crap, that photo!

[GILMORE?]

I suspect this man was not a fan of Capitalism

[Pan Zagloba]

Or he's just really, really into Street Fighter.

[GILMORE?]

+1 HADOKEN!!

[Notorious UGCC]

Yeah, and I totally expect this to get the same attention as the fire at the Planned Parenthood.

[Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper]

Police say a small fire set in the lobby of a Planned Parenthood building in Thousand Oaks, California, was arson.

We're supposed to take their word for it?

[lafe.long]

Phubbing

Phubbing: Cellphone Behavior Can Lead to Higher Levels of Depression, Study Finds
Researchers from Baylor University published a study that found that "phone snubbing" a significant other frequently can damage romantic relationships and lead to higher levels of depression.

A whole new victim class.

[Mad Scientist]

What about the victim who answers the phone and is then subjected to incessant yapping about nothing at all?

[C. Anacreon]

that could never happen

[mad.casual]

Phubby.

[mad.casual]

And I propose that the phone feature that silences the ringer until the phone rings to voicemail be called the phubber feature so that phubbies might gain some level of protection by using a phubber.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Something tells me this is almost exclusively in the form of one specific gender combination.

[MiloMinderbinder]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/us.....story.html

Yeah, let's allow even more refugees in. I am looking at you, Welch.

[Cytotoxic]

Clearly making others suffer for USG largess is totally the sensible route.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

So we should clearly send them to Canada.

[Pan Zagloba]

They fled Socialist Paradise, we don't want them. Viva Companero Presidente Chavez Castro!

[lafe.long]

Shinz? Abe: Japanese Prime Minister Pledges $1.6 Billion for Syrian Crisis, Says He Can't Give Asylum

[crab_apple]

The Japanese are pretty lacist.

[The Last American Hero]

+1 Ainu

[Akira]

"lacist"

Just an FYI, that doesn't make sense. The Japanese language does not have the "L" sound, so Japanese who have recently learned English tend to turn the L into an R, which is the closest thing... But it wouldn't happen the other way around.

[Warty]

Wha?

The shooter was asking people to stand up and state their religion and then started firing away, Moore said. Moore was lying there with people who had been shot.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Kortney Moore, 18, from Rogue River, was in her Writing 115 class in Snyder Hall when one shot came through a window. She saw her teacher get shot in the head.

Jesus.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

"He saw a girl swim across the creek while fleeing."

I like it.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I love how they include a statement from a congressmen as part of the timeline of what happened. I took a dump. Is that part of the timeline?

[Pan Zagloba]

Are you a Congressman? If so, then yes.

[Pan Zagloba]

Oh, Richard Dawkins, you're in trouble now!

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

How many non-Christians are there is semi-rural Oregon?

[Pan Zagloba]

Dunno, do we count Catholics and those heathen Calvinists?

[Irish ?s ESB]

Oh boy, this could get pretty dark in the coming days.

Fox News: "Please be Muslims please be Muslims."

MSNBC: "Please be white Christians, please be white Christians."

[Pan Zagloba]

Pretty sure that's every shooting. To be fair to MSNBC, they want it to be Teabagger, and I'm sure they allow for a theoretical Jewish or Atheist Teabagger.

[Sapient Mulch]

NSA: "FUNDING SCOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRREEEE!!!!"

[Pan Zagloba]

Wouldn't it be more like

FBI: "WOOOOO! WE GET OUR OWN NSA NOW!"

Because while expanding a remit of a govt. department is good, creating a redundant department doing same work is doubleplusgood!

[R C Dean]

Assuming that early report about stating your religion is true (and it seems credible; it came from a eyewitness who isn't a cop), I find it highly unlikely that the shooter wasn't Muslim.

We'll see, of course. But the odds are that somebody who shoots a bunch of people in the US because of their religion, is a Muslim. Well, an Islamonutter, anyway.

[Irish ?s ESB]

If he was posting on 4-Chan he might have just been a crazed troll of the Eliot Rodger variety.

[waffles]

Seems like it.

[R C Dean]

Oh, I'm withholding judgment, never doubt, but the scenario:

"What's your religion?" BLAM BLAM

does start you thinking in a certain direction.

[ant1sthenes]

Highly unlikely? Yeah, Muslims have some definite religious dislikes, but they're hardly the only ones. There are lots of people that hate Muslims, lots of people that hate Jews, and this asswipe wouldn't be the first school shooter to single out Christians either.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

MATT DAMON

This appeared in my office today, and it's such a weird, funny photo, I can't stop looking at it when I walk by.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

This is horrifying

"I really feel this is the way I was supposed to be born, that I should have been blind from birth," she said. "When there's nobody around you who feels the same way, you start to think that you're crazy. But I don't think I'm crazy, I just have a disorder."

[lap83]

Can't blame the mother and sister for cutting ties. That would feel like a serious form of betrayal to help a loved one transition through an extreme disability only to find out they wanted to become disabled. She sounds as self-absorbed as she is stupid. Think of all the things that she needs other people to do for her now.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Lemme guess. The taxpayers are paying her disability.

[R C Dean]

You get more of what you reward . . .

[Pan Zagloba]

*shrug*

She's trans-sighted. And there's no question if surgery will move her from category to another. Seems sane to me. Also, have you seen my friend Harvey? About 6'5, white fur, very long ears but don't mention them, he might get offended....

[Cytotoxic]

That's a dumb comparison because changing from one sex to another does not imply disability. Losing your vision does.

[Mickey Rat]

It is givi g up a bodily function for an inferior facsimile.

[Pan Zagloba]

if you could pee standing up and now can't, I call that a disability!

[Cytotoxic]

Which function would that be? And how is it equal to being able to see?

[Sapient Mulch]

It is givi g up a bodily function for an inferior facsimile.

That applies to self blinding, but how do you see it applying to a transexual?

[ant1sthenes]

Is it not obvious? Unless they're sterile for some reason, they're trading functional sex organs of their birth sex for non-procreative replica sex organs of their adopted sex. Yes, the functionality they are losing might not matter to them -- but then, apparently, neither does sight to this person.

[C. Anacreon]

Get ready for more and more stories like this, as 'trans-abled' becomes a thing.

And so that everyone else can be considered sane, all must be considered sane. It doesn't matter if you 'think' you are really a different sex, different race, or whether inside you feel like you should be blind or an amputee, we need to be tolerant and understanding. Can't possibly ever be anything out of the ordinary with any of these folks, nothing to see here, move along please.

I shudder to think of what might be coming next.

[ant1sthenes]

Eight-year olds, Dude.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Her need to lose her sight increased as she got older, and by 2006, she claims she found a psychologist who was willing to help her.

Shuping says the psychologist put numbing eye drops into her eyes, and then a couple of drops of drain cleaner.

"It hurt, let me tell you. My eyes were screaming and I had some drain cleaner going down my cheek burning my skin," she said. "But all I could think was 'I am going blind, it is going to be okay."

What the fuck.

Please tell me this "psychologist" was stripped of his license and thrown in jail. Please.

[JeremyR]

How is that any different from transgender people?

They identify as "blind"

[commodious spittoon]

I don't consider myself a cruel man, but sometimes I like to stick my boston terrier in his kennel when I'm home and listen to him warble piteously. He sounds like a cross somewhere between a hyena when lions are about and a lonely little kitten.

[GILMORE?]

I consider you a ....

... boston terrier? gah. Why?

[GILMORE?]

comment withdrawn. I was mixing those up with wire terriers i think. Hate them.

[GILMORE?]

nope. even those are ok.

My friend has a v. yappy dog. I hate yappy dogs.

[commodious spittoon]

He kinda fell into my lap. I never thought of myself as a lap dog sort of person. And he's been a delight, but he's painfully anxious about being left alone. I wouldn't bother with it but I want him acclimated to the crate for longer stretches, and not just when I'm out.

But still, that warble. Hilarious.

[B.P.]

A roommate's friend visited one time with his Boston terrier. He put it in my room and closed the door. It dug through a wooden door with its front claws in 15 minutes and came walking into the kitchen.

[Mrs. Lemuel Struthers]

You might not consider yourself a cruel man but the rest of us do. LEAVE THAT DOG ALONE.

[commodious spittoon]

MAKE ME.

Or... don't make me. Make me not. Uh...

[Enough About Woodchippers]

He sounds like a cross somewhere between a hyena when lions are about and a lonely little kitten.

If I kennel my GSD and she doesn't want be kenneled (she crate-trained so it's rare that it upsets her) she sounds just like a chimpanzee. Funny as hell.

[R C Dean]

My two pits lurv them some quality crate time.

I totally get it; its the only time that they aren't being harassed by each other.

The male demands that the door be latched shut. And by "demands", I mean he stands in front of you and barks at your face until you do.

[Enough About Woodchippers]

Yup. Several times an evening my dog goes to her crate and scratches on the door to let me know she wants to get locked up inside. Doesn't like it if I leave the door open. BTW, I love me some pits!

[Sapient Mulch]

I love me some pits!

They require a competent owner, but they are the most honest dogs ever and absolutely great with kids.

I raised them when I got out of the Navy; brought the first Corvino bloodline dogs back to Colorado when I got out and my tiger brindle male would sit in front of any baby you placed on the couch. It became his and you had to pass review with Max anytime you wanted to touch the kid. Wonderful dogs.

[The Last American Hero]

The American Gentleman is a great dog.

[GILMORE?]

Iranian-linked Bomb Makers Found in Bahrain

FYI - Bahrain has a sizable shiite minority, but is run by Sunni aristocracy. They have been nervous as shit during this whole 'arab spring' thing that Iran would use the opportunity to try and stage coup

[Apatheist ?_??]

Actually Shiites make up a sizable majority of the Muslims in Bahrain, at least of the nationals (non-nationals actually out-number nationals and are muslim, christian, hindu, etc.).

[GILMORE?]

sorry, correct. I misspoke.

[MetalBard]

Non-nationals outnumber nationals? That does not seem like a recipe for long term stability.

[Pan Zagloba]

As long as you're good at cycling through non-nationals, making sure they are on 3-5 year contracts and they leave afterwards, don't see why not. Get them in to do the work, ship them back, then import next batch only in numbers that are needed.

[CatoTheChipper]

Non-nationals outnumber nationals.

Somebody has to do the work that the nationals won't do.

[GILMORE?]

"Non-nationals outnumber nationals? That does not seem like a recipe for long term stability."

Oh, don't worry, its totally awesome and is what makes places like Dubai the beacons of freedom and liberty and socioeconomic mobility in the Middle East.

[Cytotoxic]

One of the reasons. Glad to see you're finally coming my way.

[Redmanfms]

Mark up as another "Cyto is a fucking moron comment."

[waffles]

So are these always a hoax?

Because if not we can speculate away. I personally blame rape culture. If these dweebs had conjugal visits maybe they wouldn't feel so alienated by society. We need to teach nerds how to get dates so they don't kill.

That sounds to hard. Let's just ban guns.

[waffles]

Ugh. These events are awful.

[Irish ?s ESB]

BTW, Eliot Rodger allegedly used to post on that same 4chan subforum.

If the FBI wants to stop mass shootings, they should probably transfer some their Mosque Watching Money over to /r9k/.

[waffles]

Probably

Over the past few weeks there have been some digs on MRA/PUA types but at least they aren't as dangerous as the self marginalized psychos. You know what? I can't say anything of substance on this that isn't a retread from a previous shooting. This shit is sick. I think I'll work late tonight and watch the Steelers.

[Carl, Fighter of the Nightman]

IIRC it was Wizardchan, not /r9k/

[Pan Zagloba]

Why do I click on links? Why?!

[Cytotoxic]

503

[MetalBard]

Are there nerd dating sites? Personally I've always preferred the bookish type, but these people always seem like nerds who want to date some airhead cheerleaders or something...

Ban cheerleading!! makes about as much sense as anything else.

[Pan Zagloba]

Theoretically yes but I suspect they have same demographic as Ashley Madison did.

I chose that site to linked because it was built by a voice actor/SF fan/general nerd, who couldn't get into the dating scene after seven years of widowhood, and, unlike 4channers, tried to do something about it (that didn't involve mass murder, either).

[Notorious UGCC]

Hey, former Senator Trent Lott was a cheerleader. Are you saying he was an airhead?

Wait, I think I'm just digging myself in deeper.

[Gene]

Hurricane Joaquin has strengthened as it approaches the eastern U.S. coast. Its trajectory is still uncertain.

Fish storm, latest models have it going out to sea.

[wolff]

I make up to $90 an hour working from my home. My story is that I quit working at Walmart to work online and with a little effort I easily bring in around $40h to $86h? Someone was good to me by sharing this link with me, so now i am hoping i could help someone else out there by sharing this link... Try it, you won't regret it!......

http://www.HomeJobs90.Com

[Akira]

Why bother? The smarter thing to do would have been to whine to the government that you can't raise a family of four on your wages and ask them to mandate higher prices for unskilled labor.

[C. Anacreon]

Actually, there are both Sudanese and Somalis -- thousands of both. Apparently, 20% of the Sudanese refugees in the USA live in Minnesota.

[Enough About Woodchippers]

^^Yup^^

[Pan Zagloba]

Get real, Sudanese work at airports, Somali are roadzzz department.

[Enough About Woodchippers]

These sticks are better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocky

[Riven]

Oh man... Yes. Pocky is so much better than Pixie Stix.

Except the strawberry kind--which I find super gross.

[Pope Jimbo]

Just like a Cali boy to spend a few days here and then start lecturing a native like Tundra on who is who.

And why didn't you let us know when you were in town so Tundra and I could have arranged a beat down from both Sudanese and Somali yutes so you could have seen the difference?

[lafe.long]

Lik M Aid (aka Fun Dip) FTW

[Riven]

You will get exactly zero arguments from me about that, my friend.

I feel like maybe I should mention I hadn't done that at all yesterday, and I'm usually a "several times daily" kind of person.

[C. Anacreon]

Sorry, I should have been better on announcing the visit in advance, so I could have gotten the beating I deserved.

It would have been tough to coordinate on this visit, though, as most of the time I was a couple of hours south of MSP (so my main experience this visit was driving through Minnesota's rolling prairies and farmland).

Also, it sucks that there are two car rental return centers for MSP airport, depending on what airline you're flying out of. Thanks for telling me that when i drove out of the airport, Budget. Good thing I 'budgeted' plenty of time ahead of my flight to get back to the airport.