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• Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane has been charged with leaking grand jury information in order to embarrass her foes. The governor has called for her to step down.
• While at the IRS, Lois Lerner apparently considered targeting for an audit the foundation that paid Bristol Palin to be a spokesperson. Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.  
• Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner has signed legislation giving terminally ill patients the "right to try" experimental drugs that have not completed the full approval process.
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[Fist of Etiquette]

NEW FORMAT?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hello.

Try it sometime. It’s cathartic. Or something.

Anyway. Dark side of porn:

http://bit.ly/1OTMVjh

[L?rking McNewg?y]

G’day Rufus! Dark side of porn . . . thought it was gonna be something different.

*sigh*

I am disappoint.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I’m trying to be GOOD.

[L?rking McNewg?y]

Ain’t no money in that.

[DEG]

I see they reference Gail Dines.

Gail Dines appears on Penn & Teller’s Bullshit

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Fear change!

[rts]

Only wet babies like change.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, the Democrats are going to have some debates, too.

All called coronations.

[Aloysious]

How about Abortanations?

[Just say Nikki]

Turns out people who remember starving aren’t super into wasting food:

Even some Kremlin allies are expressing shock at the idea of “food crematoria” while one orthodox priest has denounced the campaign, which officially began on Thursday, as insane and sinful. However, the authorities are determined to press on with destroying illegal imports they consider “a security threat”.

Russian TV showed a small mountain of illegally imported European cheese being bulldozed on Thursday while even before the official start, zealous workers threw boxes of European bacon into an incinerator.

[PBR Streetgang]

Destroying Bacon? Truly, they are monsters.

[Aloysious]

I shed a tear.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Commie bastards!

[Lee G]

This is how the next pogrom starts

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

European bacon. It’s not the same.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Is it like *shudder* canadian bacon?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Worse. At least Canadian Bacon is good on Hawaiian pizza.

I ordered bacon and eggs in Scotland, and I’ll never make that mistake again.

[BearOdinson]

Stick with oatmeal and haggis!!

[Ted S.]

One haggi is one too many.

[bacon-magic]

Freakin’ commie bastards.

[jesse.in.mb]

European bacon into an incinerator.

Extra crispy

[Knarf Yenrab!]

Some of those European blues ARE a security risk to anyone with functioning olfactory organs.

[Adans smith]

Blue cheese and a stout,that sounds good

[Enough About Woodchippers]

^^This right here^^

[R C Dean]

Is that an incinerator?

Or a stove?

[Injun, as in from India]

While at the IRS, Lois Lerner apparently considered targeting for an audit the foundation that paid Bristol Palin to be a spokesperson. Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.

All is fair in love and war,

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

Obviously this is phake becasue it’s a phake scandul.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.

Because of all the blacks there???

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Because of the Confederate flag.

[Fist of Etiquette]

So she’s reverse racist? I guess that’s better.

[Drake]

Because she knows first-hand how bad the Federal Government is?

[Just say Nikki]

Because of liberaltarian fusionism.

[Injun, as in from India]

Conservatarian fusionism is like political gay sex that is verboten to the left.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I support 1 Simpsons link per PM Links from now on.

Make it so

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Steak?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Money’s too tight for steak. Anyway, this was the hockey episode.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Steak?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You don’t win friends with salad

[Ska]

Good luck getting that tune out of your head.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I don’t want it out. My kids chant it as I’m pulling the steak off of the grill.

[DEG]

Seconded

[jesse.in.mb]

Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.

That’s random.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

The first part. The part where she was targeting her ideological enemies. That’s not random.

[Tonio]

It’s random, but it may ultimately be her downfall. The only thing that can make progs turn against you is the perception that you’re racist or homophobic.

[Tonio]

And just to clarify, I don’t have any opinion either way about Lerner being racist, but that’s how it will be perceived.

[Irish ?s ESB]

No it won’t because she was clearly saying that as an insult to southerners so they’ll be okay with it.

[Tonio]

Good point, but that would have meant abandoning southern black people to slavers.

[Just say Nikki]

It doesn’t seem that random and I can’t imagine it will be a thing. What Yankee hasn’t said they would have been better off getting rid of the South? I said it a million times when I was a kid. Ditch the snowconez, etc.

[ant1sthenes]

It does seem to indicate an obsession with the balance of power between the teams that transcends any notion of justice or morality (assuming she would otherwise consider fighting to slavery to fall into that category). While it isn’t technically evidence of any impropriety, it doesn’t help her case with those already inclined to think she was engaged in systematic discrimination.

[Citizen X]

Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.

Libertarian moment!

[MikeP]

The true libertarian thinks the north should have seceded from the Union.

[Citizen X]

The true TRUE libertarian believes that anyone should be able to secede from anything, whenever they want to.

[Lee G]

The TRUEST libertarian disagrees with you because the NAP doesn’t work whatever way you interpreted it because his latest blog article is all about something remotely related to divorce.

[Injun, as in from India]

Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner has signed legislation giving terminally ill patients the “right to try” experimental drugs that have not completed the full approval process.

The rights are ours to begin with, jerks. You don’t give us our rights.

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

Yes but the more they phrase it like that the more the proles believe the government is the font of all rights. Tony agrees.

[Tonio]

Dude I think you made a typo in your handle. Missing “s”.

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

Gollum stole it.

yessss….yesss my precioussss….we hatessss the stupid fat hobbitsssessss….

[Robert]

You are given rights by everybody who could, but doesn’t, give you trouble. You don’t have any otherwise.

That’s not the problem with this. The problem is that the federal & state food & drug laws don’t make the purported action illegal to begin with. This is superfluous legisl’n. It doesn’t allow the drugs in question to be marketed.

[Jerryskids]

Hell, I’ve been experimenting with drugs for years for my terminal illness. The doc says it’s not helping, that I still only have 40, 50 years tops, but I tell him the drugs aren’t meant to help, they’re just for fun.

[Jerryskids]

Hell, I’ve been experimenting with drugs for years for my terminal illness. The doc says it’s not helping, that I still only have 40, 50 years tops, but I tell him the drugs aren’t meant to help, they’re just for fun.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane has been charged with leaking grand jury information in order to embarrass her foes.

Put a politician in charge of law enforcement, what do you expect?

[R C Dean]

Good thing leaking grand jury info isn’t against the law, right? Otherwise she could be in real trouble.

[Injun, as in from India]

Boxer, Tester, Leahy. The party of Science!

Sorry, Gwyneth Paltrow, GMO labels won’t tell you what you want to know

Paltrow was joined by her mother, actress Blythe Danner, and escorted by Sens. Jon Tester of Montana, Barbara Boxer of California, and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, among others.

The group struck a commonsense tone, evoking a right to know, the intuition of mothers, and the unsavory idea of big food companies trying to hide the facts from the American people. They also touted a new bill ? the Genetically Engineered Right to Know Act ? that would require all GMO products be labeled as such.

[BearOdinson]

So every kind of plant and animal that was EVER bred for any type of characteristic.

Got it!

[Palin's Buttplug]

I prefer GMO products. I buy GBO beer only.

[wareagle]

if you like your food, you can…. I’m sorry; people who have supported this president bleating about a “right to know” can go fuck themselves.

[Antilles]

I still don’t get the point of GMO labeling. There’s nothing stopping businesses that eschew GMO from labeling their products as “GMO Free.” If there’s enough demand then more businesses would jump onboard and do the same. Why is it necessary to FORCE companies to label products that contain harmless GMOs?

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

Because according the frankenfood clowns GMOs are harmful! Food companies want to kill their customers with poison food!

[Antilles]

Yes, in spite of the fact there’s ZERO evidence that anyone has ever been harmed and (in spite of GMOs) people are living longer and healthier lives. Evidently they don’t realize farmers have been creating GMOs since farming began. Do they really believe those giant, purple eggplants at Whole Foods occurred naturally? Evidently new organisms occurring by accident in the wild is preferable to them being created in a modern laboratory. And they call us anti-science.

[BigT]

Those A, T, G, and C’s from GMOs DNA are completely different, doncha know. They could cause you to grow an extra penis or two.

[BigT]

Those A, T, G, and C’s from GMOs DNA are completely different, doncha know. They could cause you to grow an extra penis or two.

[Antilles]

Did your extra penis add the extra post? 😉

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Ah Jonny, Jonny, Jonny…

He’s ours folks. Sorry.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

“The group struck a commonsense tone”

That’s a dog whistle for retard.

[Lee G]

They struck it upside the head.

[SFC B]

So it’ll be like those cancer-warning labels in CA that are on EVERYTHING?

[Injun, as in from India]

They should force people to wear those labels on their faces. Technically this is a correct statement:

“Kissing another human being on the mouth could in theory give you HPV, which is associated with a higher risk of cancer.”

[Tonio]

Which has the net effect of most people ignoring the labels.

[Sevo]

“…the intuition of mothers,…”

So, horseshit, right?

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Science!

[Ska]

Made me think of –

These are people of the land; the salt of the earth. You know… morons.

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

“Think of it, gentlemen. Hoof-and- mouth disease a thing of the past!”

“Never mind that shit, here comes Mongo!”

[Tonio]

Dammit, Sevo.

[Tonio]

The group struck a commonsense tone, […] the intuition of mothers…

IOW, complete hysterical bullshit. Common sense, when used in political debate always means you can’t justify it on the merits, but just know it’s true.

[See Double You]

But it’s common sense, Tonio, because it’s…common sense!

[See Double You]

the unsavory idea of big food companies trying to hide the facts from the American people.

What facts are they hiding?

They also touted a new bill ? the Genetically Engineered Right to Know Act ? that would require all GMO products be labeled as such.

Lending credence to anti-GMO hysterics by enshrining them in law.

[See Double You]

Jon Tester

He has a flat head.

[Aloysious]

Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.

Now she’s done it.

[Injun, as in from India]

Has anyone shared this yet?

Think of all the times the police raid the wrong address with their guns drawn, or blow holes in toddlers’ chests.

Do they ever get charged with criminal trespassing or disorderly conduct?

Bounty hunters mistakenly target Phoenix police chief’s house

NorthStar Fugitive Recovery owner Brent Farley, 43, is facing charges of criminal trespassing and disorderly conduct.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

“I feared for my safety and neutralized the threat. Furtive movements, waistband, etc…”

[kinnath]

I did middle of the day in an unrelated thread. Few people noticed.

[Ted S.]

No double standard, no sirree.

[Fist of Etiquette]

…Lois Lerner apparently considered targeting for an audit the foundation that paid Bristol Palin to be a spokesperson.

She must have the most poorly thought-out enemies list in the history of paranoid partisans.

[Sevo]

“She must have the most poorly thought-out enemies list in the history of paranoid partisans.”
She’s a lefty.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

At this point, I would not be suprised to find out her dog has been telling her who she should be persecuting.

[John Titor]

UMAGA 2016: Change you can believe in.

Yes, he’s Samoan, and dead, but it’d be worth it just to see him Zombie Samoan Drop half of Congress.

[Injun, as in from India]

As with yesterday’s story on CVS tobacco sales that I shared, this is again a private company, private decision, and a shareholders’ headache.

Fallout from Wal-Mart’s pay raise: Unhappy workers

In interviews and in hundreds of comments on Facebook, Wal- Mart employees are calling the move unfair to senior workers who got no increase and now make the same or close to what newer, less experienced colleagues earn. New workers started making a minimum of $9 an hour in April and will get at least $10 an hour in February.

[kinnath]

Raising entry-level wages always fucks over the folks that have been working diligently to get past entry-level work.

[Antilles]

Isn’t that the Progressive way? Punish the good, responsible people and reward the stupid and irresponsible? It’s not fair that senior workers who’ve worked hard and paid their dues should get more than someone just starting out who has yet to prove themselves! Further evidence the Proggies are all about envy, payback, and retribution.

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

Further evidence the Proggies are all about envy, payback, and retribution.

All in the name of equality of outcomes.

[Antilles]

I’ve always found it ironic that people who shriek about ‘fairness’ continue to push for a world that is increasingly unfair for most of us.

[Tonio]

Antilles, you may be a complete idiot about certain topics, but you’re absolutely right about this.

[Antilles]

So, what topics am I an idiot about? I get the feeling you’re assuming things about me that I never said, or even believe. If so I put some blame on myself for not articulating my position more clearly.

[Lord at War]

It’s tonio… I guaran-fucking-tee you said something he considered negative about teh homos.

[wareagle]

no shit. Who could have foreseen this, other than everyone with a pulse.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I wonder if we’ll see this kind of story about Netflix’s maternity/paternity leave in a few months. Single or deliberately childless employees resenting their baby-popping peers?

[Ted S.]

Why do you hate children? 😉

[Mazakon]

Bernie Sanders: Extremely Greedy and Selfish People Will Love GOP Debate

By progressive standards, that means libertarians will practically orgasm over it.

[Injun, as in from India]

that means libertarians will practically orgasm over it.

More like a six-hour long tantric multiple orgasm.

[Antilles]

Greedy and selfish people? Like those who expect others to pay for their laziness, irresponsibility, and repeated mistakes? It continues to astonish me that individuals who would like to be left alone and keep more of the money they’ve earned are the ones branded as selfish. Yet those who take and give nothing in return are deemed brave and noble. At what point did this become the Bizarro World?

[lap83]

Does he explain why the Clintons will love it so much?

[BearOdinson]

I am just trying to decide if I am going to force my orphans and widows to watch it or not. My monocles are going to polish themselves!!

[See Double You]

Is Bernie referring to immigrants?

[Palin's Buttplug]

While at the IRS, Lois Lerner apparently considered targeting for an audit the foundation that paid Bristol Palin to be a spokesperson.

IMPEACH OBAMA! BENGHAZI!! ARGLE BARGLE!! DERPSTY DO!

[Aloysious]

Beautiful. I needed this laugh.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

“It’s OK when we do it.”

[Sevo]

Turd doesn’t even bother hiding it anymore.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I feel sorry for him. Imagine having to come here and make those comments. What little self respect he could have had is completely gone.

[Palin's Buttplug]

No one says it is OK. Ms Lerner should be fired and stripped of her cozy pension.

[R C Dean]

You don’t think its OK, but you call it an “ARGLE BARGLE!! DERPSTY DO!”?

I think you have to pick one or the other.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

SOMETHING SOMETHING INTENTIONS MATTER SOMETHING REDNECKS SOMETHING BOOSH *smoke rises from ShriekBot’s vents* DOES NOT COMPUTE, DOES NOT COMPUTE

[Palin's Buttplug]

Because you don’t care about Lerner.

You are desperate to tie Obama into it. Admit it.

[See Double You]

You believe Obama had nothing at all to do with it, right? Plausible deniability, right?

Also, it’s a little rich of you to complain about tying something to the president. A certain “B” word comes to mind.

[Antilles]

She should be jailed for destroying evidence–the same thing that would happen to us if we pulled a stunt like she did.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Fine. Indict her.

My derision is directed at the idiots who think Obama directed her to do this for political reasons – which they often claim with no evidence.

[Sevo]

By comparison, your stupidity is universal.

[wareagle]

so the IRS Commissioner, on a whim, decided that targeting groups the Chief Executive might not like would be a good move?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Ms. Lerner was never the IRS Commissioner. She was just a partisan desk jokey.

[Antilles]

I never assumed the President directed her to scrutinize Conservative groups more than Progressive ones. However, as a good Progressive she understood that was her job. Just like the way Chris Christie’s staff caused the ‘Bridgegate’ incident on the assumption their petty, bullying boss would’ve approved.

[Tonio]

Presidents don’t direct people at Lerner’s level. They direct the head of agency or the cabinet level post to whom the head of agency reports. Or more accurately, the White House chief of staff gives the direction (plausible deniability).

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

You think it’s a joke so clearly you think it’s ok. You and Lerner should be stood up against a wall as far as I’m concerned.

[rts]

There’s a debate in Canuckistan tonight as well.

[Injun, as in from India]

Is it going to be bilingual?

It better… or else!

[rts]

No, tonight is English only.

But it will be done on ice skates, as per the Constitution Act of 1867.

[John Titor]

Wow, it’s like the entire political universe is telling me to embrace alcoholism.

[rts]

You picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue?

[Hamster of Doom]

It is always the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

[Brett L]

Margaritas

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Damn and I’m gonna miss it.

Harper is by far – I mean miles and kilometers – the most refined and skillful debater of the bunch. Trudeau is all drama and Mulcair all fluff and puff.

[John Titor]

Yeah, I remember the Liberal leadership race. I loved how Garneau would present an actual, somewhat detailed policy or platform position, and then Trudeau would go on a rant about how good policy shouldn’t be the focus, ‘connecting with Canadians’ should be. Waves of applause followed. Voters are morons.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I couldn’t people the Liberals went with Trudeau over Garneau.

Had they done so, I would have considered voting for them but not now. Not with Drama Boy there.

Idiots.

[John Titor]

Hell, I don’t normally vote, and I would have if Garneau or Findlay had won the leadership. Instead they had to go with the idiot celebrity.

[Pan Zagloba]

You don’t approve of youthful, sensitive yet muscular charisma of Justin St. Trudeau, our Glorious Leader-in-Waiting, or extra-intelligent yet fully compassionate and manly (but not patriarchally) geared Tomas Mulcair?

You, sir, demonstrate worrying tendencies and should submit to a bracing round of self-criticism!

[John Titor]

I read his book. It is painful how absolutely vapid, self-centered and moronic he is. He basically thinks about politics on a grade-school level where his own are somehow elevated to perfection while everyone else promotes intolerance or ‘destroys Canada’s identity’. But ask him to establish an actual party platform and he gets the Liberal Old Guard and the polls to do it for him.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

He’s a clown.

My father this, my father that.

At least the Cons. actually put money in my bank account.

Fuck the Liberals and their vapidity.

[John Titor]

I find Tory attack ads to be annoying most of the time, but I’m actually looking forward to the massive amount of shit they throw at Trudeau.

[rts]

So far all the attack ads I’ve heard target Trudeau… why aren’t they hammering away at Mulcair at all?

[rts]

All I know is come October I can probably kiss that extra $2K from income splitting goodbye.

And probably a heap more on top of that.

[Pan Zagloba]

For today’s edition of Accomplished Female Athletes of Eastern and Central Europe, we go back to Croatian female basketball team.
Emanuala Salopek is a shooting guard, and has been at 2012 Olympics, first time the Croatian women qualified.
And let it never be said I won’t pander, so here’s her swimsuit pic.

[Pan Zagloba]

Oh, and let us have a little retro blast to my first post, also involving Croatian female basketball team:

Antonia Misura, justly voted Most Beautiful Olympian of 2012 Games.

[Antilles]

I guess she’s OK…for a white girl…

[Crusty Juggler]

After being inspired by an earlier thread, I counter by sharing two women I find attractive. Note: both photos are of occupy wall street protesters.

[bacon-magic]

Yuckity yuck yuck.

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

Ick. Her legs make her look like Treebeard.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

“While at the IRS, Lois Lerner apparently considered targeting for an audit the foundation that paid Bristol Palin to be a spokesperson. Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.”

What? She’s just being common-sensey.

[DEG]

I read the comments on the “Selfie Vote” thread. Sirius Slayton: new troll or just stupid?

[Lee G]

Sirius Slayton sounds like a Tulpa creation

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

I wanted to drag this over from the gay article, because See Double You has asked a very good set of questions regarding morality and religion. (Originally started from the question of being good without God)

What about reason? What about the Golden Rule based on reason instead of based on who said it?

What about reason, indeed? Reason itself starts from a certain premise: human dignity. However, what makes human dignity true? If we remove human dignity from the equation, the Golden Rule is just a pragmatic way to get along with other people. Without human dignity, there’s nothing immoral about violating the Golden Rule. It’s just impractical to live life in a community when you’re constantly violating it. In other words, the “wrongness” of violating the Golden Rule is only in getting caught if human dignity does not exist.

If I start from the premise that everything I do should be aimed at me achieving the most enjoyment for myself (utility, from the economic perspective), what keeps me from killing you if you stand in the way of my enjoyment? Sure, there are still risks and consequences, but it’s a purely utilitarian calculus. Is the risk of consequences for killing you high enough to offset the increased enjoyment I get with you gone?

[Hamster of Doom]

I wanted to drag this over from the gay article…

This is where you lost me.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

Hey, some people just want to watch the world burn. Can you really blame me for that?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Here at Reason, all the articles are gay.

[Heedless]

And Mexican.

[Heedless]

You write as though submission to the will of God and crude self interest are the only two possible bases for personal morality. That’s a tremendous oversimplification. I am an atheist, and I follow neither principle.

Let’s start with the fact that from our mortal perspective, we have no direct evidence of the will of God. Effectively, each believer must take it on faith that their scriptures are divinely inspired, and most serious believers I know are constantly in the lookout for signs (for evidence) that confirms or contradicts their belief that they are doing the right thing.

My process is very similar. I don’t believe that my morality is divinely inspired, but I essentially take that same leap of faith in embracing it. I believe in the NAP, in the pursuit of knowledge for knowledge’s sake, in courtesy and compassion toward others. I may cite Locke, Hume, and Kant rather than Mathew, Luke, and John, but I do so in much the same manner – as explanations of something I already know to be true.

In other words, morality is pre-rational for all of us. At best we can hope that out beliefs are capable of changing when contradicted by the evidence.

[jesse.in.mb]

Star Trek’s latest villain takes over cover duties for the September issue of [Maxim Magazine], which makes him the first guy to grace the magazine’s cover by himself.

Well, if you’re going to break with tradition, Idris Elba is a worthy object for it. So dreamy.

Still upset he won’t play Bond.

[John Titor]

Do we have an idea what character he’s playing in Star Trek? And will he be piloting some kind of giant mech at any point in time?

[Just say Nikki]

I can’t say I am a fan of his new coat. But damn.

[lap83]

I thought it was a bathrobe at first

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

He makes your grandmother’s coat look good.

[Just say Nikki]

My grandmother has really nice coats. Too bad she’s so tiny.

[jesse.in.mb]

I assumed it was a joke about him being a dude on the cover of Maxim, his pose is a touch feminine and the coat seems like a woman’s coat to me.

[Just say Nikki]

I assume it was some kind of Luther reference.

[jesse.in.mb]

I think I’m missing how they’re connected.

[Crusty Juggler]

Luther didn’t play by the rules, and neither did Idris when he decided to raid Cruella Deville’s closet.

[Just say Nikki]

Well he always wore a big overcoat of the same cut as this, but like, just dark tweed, not leopard print.

[jesse.in.mb]

Ok. I could see the coat being a reference to the role, but not the leopard print or the way he’s sitting.

[lap83]

I like the salt and pepper beard

[Antilles]

I have no problem with a Black James Bond, and Mr. Elba would be outstanding in the role. However, once James Bond becomes black then he would be Black forever because the outcry over changing to another race would be deafening. Maybe he could be introduced in the next James Bond movie as another agent and get his own spin-off movie series? I’m sure I’ll be labeled a racist for even suggesting that…

[Lee G]

Don’t talk about Bond, he’s a bad mother…..

[John Titor]

I still think it’s moronic that the James Bond writers didn’t roll with the fan theory that James Bond is, in itself, just a codename for numerous agents from the Cold War to today. It explains away most of the inconsistencies of the Bond universe. But nooooo, Skyfall had to establish him as an actual person.

[Pan Zagloba]

Maybe they didn’t want to acknowledge Casino Royale? The one with David Niven, Peter Sellers and Woody Allen as James Bond (among others).

[Chaucer]

That isn’t canon. Daniel Craig in Casino Royale or wikipedia could tell you the same.

[jesse.in.mb]

I dunno, now that someone has floated the idea of Idris Elba as James Bond I have a hard time picturing any other current actors picking up the mantle. He has such a good balance of gruffness and charm to take it up after Daniel Craig’s Bond.

My understanding is that everyone involved doesn’t see it happening so it’s moot anyway.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I think they’ve said Damian Lewis is high on the list to be the next Bond. Lewis is a great actor, but whaaaaat?

[Crusty Juggler]

A ginger Bond? I just can’t.

Lewis should be precluded just by the fact that he was in seasons of Homeland other than the first. Not cool.

[jesse.in.mb]

I’m glad Crusty was here to drive my point home before I even made it.

Thanks CJ!

[Crusty Juggler]

I am the peanut butter to your jelly.

[jesse.in.mb]

Think about how much people groused about a blond James Bond, then imagine the keening over a GINGER James Bond.

[The Late P Brooks]

Wal- Mart employees are calling the move unfair to senior workers who got no increase and now make the same or close to what newer, less experienced colleagues earn.
.
INCONCEIVABLE!

[Knarf Yenrab!]

“Emails also indicate she also thought President Abraham Lincoln should have just let the south leave the union.”

FAKE SCAND–

WHAT?

HANG HER. HANG HER HIGH.

[DEG]

Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane has been charged with leaking grand jury information in order to embarrass her foes. The governor has called for her to step down.

Whom did she piss off? Corbett is out of office, and she gave him a pass on sandbagging the Sandusky investigation when Corbett was AG.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I didn’t notice until last night that the latest Auralnauts Star Wars video is out. I highly recommend them. They’re part re-dub, part dance remix of the prequels (and now episode 4), which recasts the Jedi as hooligans strung out on midichlorians and the Sith as straight-laced businessmen just trying to help Anakin turn his life around. Douchey, irresponsible Obi-wan is the best Obi-wan. It’s hilarious (and the lightsaber fights are trippy and kinda beautiful) and easily the best thing to come out of the Star Wars prequels yet.

STAR WARS EP 1: Jedi Party. As is often the case, the first ep is a little rough compared to the rest of the series.

Bonus: The Ep4 Throne Room scene without music.

[Irish ?s ESB]

Hilarious article from a few years ago:

Far Left Democratic Underground Members Discuss How to Deal With Menace of Fox News in Public Places

DUer Pretzel_Warrior appears to find encountering Fox News to be a psycologically difficult situation: “When I see Foxnews playing, I throw my phone down on the floor and yell: ‘NOOOO!!! Fuck no!!!’ And then start pacing back and forth saying ‘You people are being fed evil propaganda! Either leave this business immediately or force these goons to change the channel!!'”

Apparently that is only what he would like to do, however: “Well, that’s what I do in my mind. Then I just give a cold glare at the TV monitor and shake my head in disgust.”

“I walk out and don’t come back,” sniffed poster TheCowsCameHome. “If they ask why, I politely tell them I want no part of Fox’s biased agenda.”

Ditto for DUer SoCalDem: “I ask them to turn the propaganda off. If they do not, I shop elsewhere.”

Poster InAbLuEsTaTe was even more emphatic: “I walk the fuck out.”

Thankfully, there were sane people who in the thread who criticized the idiots, but still. I can’t imagine someone here being like “WHAT DO YOU DO IF MSNBC IS PLAYING? BOYCOTT OR HISSY FIT!”

[Irish ?s ESB]

Also, shit that didn’t happen:

Other posters related detailed stories on how they took a stand against Fox’s filth. DUer madamesilverspurs provided a great “bouncy” tale of outrage:

I have asked, politely, to change the channel. In most cases, they’ve been okay with the request. At one restaurant they balked, and all eight of us got up and headed for the door. The hostess, just coming out of the kitchen, asked if there was a problem, and we very politely explained that the propaganda was an appetite killer. She excused herself, walked across the dining room and turned the television off, then escorted us back to our table. No one in the very crowded restaurant objected to having the TV turned off.

Only place where complaining hasn’t worked — our hospital, which seems to think that Fox is good medicine. Rotten way to treat sick people.
/blockquote

…Your hospital wouldn’t change the channel on the TV? I find that unlikely.

[Irish ?s ESB]

There is one post over there that is too gigantic to fit in a post here which is too amazing not to see, and it contains this brilliant false equivalence:

At my local watering hole, of which I am a former regular, (not one now) I popped in on a weekday and FOX was on. I knew most people there, all older and very redneckish, including Judy the bartender. I can’t remember the story but the comments by the patrons of the bar led back to Ted Kennedy and Chappaquidick.
I asked the louder one if he know the story about Laura Bush running a stop sign, killing someone and not even getting a ticket. Not one person in the bar knew the story. I told them it was true and still they did not believe me. Ii went back n a couple of weeks later and not one of those people even tried to find that story.

Laura Bush was seventeen and made one accidental mistake and killed a classmate in a car accident. A full grown adult and probably drunk Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge, left Kopechne to die, and hid at his dad’s house for over a day without telling the cops about the accident.

Those situations are not comparable.

[Tonio]

Also – random teenager vs. sitting US Senator.

[Brett L]

because they don’t listen More people died at Chappaquidck than Three Mile Island.

[John Titor]

This is basically a case study in the amygdala hijack. “ME NO LIKE FOX NEWS, ME DESTROY!”

[Lee G]

TRIGGER!

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

“When I see Foxnews playing, I throw my phone down on the floor and yell: ‘NOOOO!!! Fuck no!!!’ And then start pacing back and forth saying ‘You people are being fed evil propaganda! Either leave this business immediately or force these goons to change the channel!!'”

I thought this guy was trolling, then I see that this is only what he imagines. Thanks for letting us know you would prefer to behave like a 2 year old.

[Mazakon]

Steyer Urges Fox News Moderators to Push Climate Change

[Sevo]

He’s also pushing the CA state gov’t to ‘repair’ the gasoline market. You know where that’s going.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Obama Accuses Republicans of Siding with Iranian Radicals on Nuke Deal

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ac…..NlYwNzcg–

No shit, Obama. Wingnuts gonna wingnut.

[wareagle]

what does he think of Bob Menendez and other Dems who also think it’s foolish?

[Sevo]

Turd gonna 8%.

[See Double You]

Obama is always right.

/Buttface

[Injun, as in from India]

Folks, I’m going to take a big break from H&R to work on a project. See you in a few months.

Swiss Servator – speedy recovery to you my friend!

[Rhywun]

Are you running for president too??

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

What project?????

[Injun, as in from India]

Just some self-improvement stuff. Nothing big. 🙂

[Retor-woodchipper-as]

A new casino?

[Tonio]

Good Luck, Hiawatha. You will be missed.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Jason Brennan can be a great troll, and he is bringing some fun to the BHL blog this week. “Rich Plutocrat Bernie Sanders Hates the Poor but Loves Power”. And “Against Moral Philosophy,” in which he “jokingly” reveals how pointless most philosophy is.

[Rhywun]

Only six Democratic debates?!

[Palin's Buttplug]

They’re boring.

[rts]

And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn’t go too far enough!

[Sevo]

They couldn’t find more felons.

[Hamster of Doom]

I find that implausible.

[The Late P Brooks]

No one in the very crowded restaurant objected to having the TV turned off.
.
No shit. I fucking hate it when I go someplace and the goddam teevee is on. I don’t care if it’s football, politics, or soap operas.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Okay, we have the “children’s table” GOP not-ready-for-prime-time debate coming up at 5est.

Any of you Peanuts going to watch it?

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

Nope, They should have mixed it up, and had people vote like American Idol. Might as well make it an entertaining trainwreck. Top 5 from each heat make it to the main event.

[Robert]

A “right to try” law as described is superfluous, even silly, because of its implication. There’s no law against what it purports to allow a right to, so “right to try” is either a way to fool people who don’t know better into thinking it’s an improvement, or the people who put it forth themselves don’t have an understanding of the food & drug laws.

[Just say Nikki]

There’s no law preventing people from taking drugs not yet approved by the FDA? Wow, that’s big news!

[Robert]

See? You didn’t understand either. The existing laws affect only the marketing of products, not their use (except for controlled substances & human growth hormone). So you have a right to try, but they have no right to sell it to you for that purpose.

[BearOdinson]

As I have said before I openly admit to still being on Team Red. And I freely admit I am not watching. It is really quite simple:
I will NEVER fucking vote for any of the Dems currently running.
If Paul, Rubio, Cruz or Walker get the nom, definitely voting for them.
If Christie or Bush get the nom, voting Libertarian.
Can’t really see anyone else at this point.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Why on earth would you vote for Rubio? He’s easily worse than Bush. He’s anti-freedom and horrible on foreign policy.

[Antilles]

Absolutely. I had a high opinion of ‘Narco’ Rubio until I heard him speak and articulate what he believes. Backed by a Republican majority in Congress he’d be a disaster!

[Hamster of Doom]

He did say Team Red.

[Palin's Buttplug]

As I have said before I openly admit to still being on Team Red.

You’ll fit in well here.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOSHPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGSSSSSSSSS

CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISTFAAAAAAAAAAGGGGSSSSSSS

You and Bo crack me up with your “vast right-wing Reason conspiracy” bullshit.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Most posters here are conservatives – NOT libertarians.

[Antilles]

Fiscally conservative, absolutely! Socially conservative, no way!

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

That’s bullshit, no matter how much you say it. Just because we don’t slob on Obama’s knob doesn’t mean that we’re conservatives.

As one of the more “conservative” people here, I differ from conservatives on:
1) Gay marriage
2) Immigration
3) Pretty much the entirety of foreign policy
4) Most of the SnoCone issues sans abortion
5) Patriotism (including flag burning and other ‘Murica bullshit)
6) SS and Medicare
7) WoD
8) Police
9) Privacy issues
10) Crony Corporatism

Just off the top of my head. Just because you’re so far up Obama’s ass that everything looks TEAM RED to you doesn’t mean it’s actually so.

[Sevo]

Palin’s Buttplug|8.6.15 @ 6:02PM|#
“Most posters here are conservatives”

Turd, OTOH, is a run-of-the-mill brain-dead lefty.

[L?rking McNewg?y]

Cool story, Shrike. Tell us more!

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

My line is at Paul or Cruz. Those are the only two major-party candidates that will potentially get me off my ass and into a voting booth. If not, this will be my first election that I abstain from. I have voted for president twice since turning 18. Once for McCain, once for Romney. When I pulled the lever for Romney, I was already most of the way to being libertarian, and I vowed that I would never hold my nose and pull the lever ever again.

That was the moment that I officially switched from conservatarian Republican to libertarian.

[Heedless]

Out of curiosity, why not Ryan?

[Chaucer]

It was a Romney/Ryan ticket.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Rep. Adam Schiff of Burbank, the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, came out Monday in support of the Iran nuclear agreement, saying that it “realistically precludes” Tehran from developing a nuclear bomb for 15 or more years.

http://www.latimes.com/world/m…..story.html

Oh shit. Big time Jew supports Iran anti-nuke deal.

Peanuts lament!

[Juvenile Bluster]

Herpity derpy derp.

Shockingly to the many anti-Semitic progressives, Jews are not a hive mind.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Every libertarian should support the Iran deal. It is NAP defined.

Of course here at H&R most “libertarians” oppose it (guffaws).

[Antilles]

Between the un-trustworthiness of the Iranians and the incompetence of this administration, I can’t comprehend how anyone can back this deal. I don’t want war and realize Iran will eventually develop nuclear weapons, but do we have to assist them in creating them?

[John Titor]

Oh look, the non-libertarian is lecturing everyone that they should support a false dichotomy. Unfortunately, some people have a more complex and nuanced view than Palin and his massive insecurities. Next up, he’ll show everyone what proper ‘rationalist’ behaviour is by throwing a massive hissy fit.

[DesigNate]

Since the public isn’t privy to the details of the deal yet, how can you possibly know that it’s NAP defined?

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

Big time Jew

Oh, boy…Where to begin?

Great band name?

New poster name tag?

New epithet (PB, of “Big Time Jew” fame”)?

[chipper me timbers]

Best feminist derp you’ll read all week. It has everything

The Harmful Messages I Was Sending to the World as a White Woman with Dreadlocks

Choice quote:

“You are an oppression tourist ? a white girl who always has an escape route back to the open arms of white supremacy once she is through rebelling. You can cut them off anytime.”

It’s FUCKING HAIR people.

[Crusty Juggler]

Posted during the week of Jamaica Day. Has she no shame?

[Crusty Juggler]

Her website.

I am in love, but sadly she is not straight. Then again, can a woman’s sexuality resist my smooth moves? Interesting.

[lap83]

That is the ugliest web design I’ve ever seen

[John Titor]

My god, it’s like a 90s cooking show had sex with HTML.

[Crusty Juggler]

You are all just jealous I saw her first!

[Irish ?s ESB]

You went to that website and that was the best you can do?

Bitch please:

Why Saying ‘It’s My Choice’ Doesn’t Necessarily Make Your Choice Feminist

It explains how women shouldn’t try to look good because if another woman doesn’t want to put in the effort then she might not be treated well in comparison to attractive people.

[Libertymike]

Irish, permit me to digress, but I have always been partial to the Irish Spring, and nothing else, type of gal. That is, ceteris paribus, more attractive.

[John Titor]

It’s shockingly how many people think culture should just remain absolutely static and never change because of ‘appropriation’ . Why embrace different cultural concepts that will erode differences when you can obsess over those differences and keep everyone separate and in their little box?

[Irish ?s ESB]

It’s almost like they’re arguing in favor of segregation.

[John Titor]

Also, I have yet to ever see a historical circumstance where ‘cultural appropriation’ was a net negative. Every time they bring it up it’s all about vapid emotions and the apparent ‘self-loathing’ created by ‘white supremacy’. Here’s the thing: anyone who is manipulated into ‘self-loathing’ by others is simply too fickle and pathetic to be taken seriously.

[John Titor]

And there’s no goddamn consistency to it. Almost everyone who argues about ‘cultural appropriation’ wears pants. The majority of the West stems from the Greco-Roman tradition, but pants are specifically a product of the groups they considered ‘barbarians’. How dare these modern people culturally appropriate the clothing of the Gauls and Germans, while demeaning and ignoring the persecution and occupation they suffered?

[Antilles]

But it’s Cultural Appropriation! The only thing worse than being close-minded about another culture is being open-minded and embracing it. In other words, this is another instance where white’s are damned no matter what we do.

[Irish ?s ESB]

I can’t even describe what’s going on in this cartoon, but it’s hilarious.

[Trshmnstr doesn't recycle]

I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry for their souls.

[chipper me timbers]

“I’m sorry for grabbing your bags, ma’am”.

[ant1sthenes]

I bet they posted that without even an inkling of the double entendre.

[Antilles]

Utterly pathetic. For the record, I never look at, speak to, or lift a finger to assist any woman I don’t know. Does that make me guilty of reverse sexism since I don’t abide by this rule when I deal with men in public?

[Crusty Juggler]

Jim Harbaugh, the only man in the Big Ten who can defeat Satan, answers a little boy’s question about milk, and gives the right answer.

Warnings: autoplay, ESPN’s terrible website, sports.

[RAHeinlein]

+1 lipid fan

[SamDod598]

lol I love the Simpsons!

http://www.Private-VPN.tk

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You’re worse that Hitler.

[PBR Streetgang]

You know who else threw Bacon into an incinerator?

I’ll help. NO ONE. B/c its a stupid and evil thing to do!