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Mother Shamed for Leaving Kid in Car, 10 Feet Away, in Front of Store Window

Paranoia vs. parenting.

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This video was shot by a young man named Carl Paz who went into a Sprint store in Torrance, California, to confront the woman who let a baby wait in a car parked right outside the store's plate glass window.

As Paz wrote on his Facebook page:

Walk by a Sprint Retail store and spot a baby, alone in a car, while its 82 degrees outside. No shade, no A/C…nothing. And the mother has the nerve to have this attitude. No concern for her child's well being until attention is called towards it. I wanna make this somewhat viral, to spread awareness. If you see something, say something. This ISNT right. Share this if youd like. P.S. sorry for the shitty angle, im six foot five lol#badparenting #stupid

Paz barged into the store and demanded to know which customer had left a baby in the car. A mom admitted right away that the baby was hers. In response, Paz told her, "As a good parent, I would go out and look on my baby."

The mother replied that this was precisely why she had parked right outside the front window, where she could see the baby. "There's nothing wrong with my kid being right there," she said.

"In your sense, maybe there's nothing wrong," Paz responded.

We've all been trained to judge parents mercilessly and assume the worst. But the mom is right. There is nothing wrong with a child waiting a few minutes in a car.

Yes, I know we have been exhorted to believe every child in every parked car, even 10 feet from a parent, is in immediate danger of heat stroke or kidnapping. But in fact, the most dangerous thing the mom did that day was drive her child at all. Kids are in more danger in moving cars than parked ones, and yet we don't make viral videos every time a mom takes her kid to the mall.

We go crazy when we've been told to go crazy, and lately we've been told to go crazy when a kid is waiting in a car, no matter what the circumstances are. Paz even parrots the line, "If you see something, say something"—a mantra that implies we are in such constant danger, we must be on the lookout at all times.

Fact: Of the 30-40 children who die in parked cars each year, 80 percent were either forgotten and left by mistake or got in without anyone knowing and could not get out. They are found too late. That leaves about 10 children a year who die in cars under circumstances we can't quite explain.

As for the odds of this child being in true danger, here's the math I did for an essay at Cato Unbound, discussing a year in which 31 children died in cars (and for this I included all 31):

So, if there are 40,000,000 children under age 10 in America (and there are), and if they take an average of, let's say, 10 car rides a week, we are talking about 20,800,000,000—that's more than 20 trillion billion—kid car rides a year. And 1 in every 670,967,742 of those errands could prove fatal—that's 0.000000149% of them. Should we really be regulating parental choice based on percentages like these?

No. And by the way: more kids die in parking lots than in parked cars. (See this piece.)

What I appreciate about Paz is that he did not call the cops, because he knew that this could easily bring on a Child Protective Services investigation, and the family could be traumatized.

On the other hand, he posted the video and included the licence plate. Now the police are indeed looking into the matter. Meanwhile, on Facebook, strangers are calling the mom a "bitch" and "crackhead"—which would make most of our own moms bitches and crackheads, too, because most of us waited out some errands in the car.

Here are two things that would actually make all kids safer:

  • When you put your child in the backseat, put your phone there, too. That way you won't forget your child—you will notice that you don't have your phone with you. You may not notice you don't have your child with you if you get to work, the child has fallen asleep in the back, and you go about your day. Especially if normally you are not in charge of dropping off the child. The missing phone helps avoid this mistake.
  • When you're running an errand and it's hot, roll down the windows. Our parents did that back when the crime rate was higher than it is today.

Unfortunately, the law in California is draconian. (As many laws are, when they are named after a child who died.) Larry Altman at The Daily Breeze reports:

Kaitlyn's Law, signed by Gov. Gray Davis in 2001, makes it illegal to leave a child unattended in a motor vehicle. The law was named for Kaitlyn Russell, a 6-month-old who died in Riverside County in 2000 after a caregiver left her alone in a car for more than two hours on a 100-degree day.

Two hours in 100 degrees? That's very different from the situation at a Sprint store on Monday.

I wish the mom well, even as she is raked over the coals for doing something so innocuous. 

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  1. Carl Paz sounds like a whiny cunt. Is their any chance that this could go viral and blow up in his face? Like, everyone sees the video and then mocks him for being such a scared little bitch.

    1. No chance because the chillunz!!!!

      1. There’s no chance because people want to, need to, get their righteous anger on. People love to feel morally superior by calling this lady and cunt. The the lion hunting thing all over again.

        1. Well, it’s not like a LION was killed. THAT would be something to get all righteous about!

    2. Check out the link to his Facebook page. Every person there is fawning over him, telling him how wonderful he is and how terrible the mother is.

      1. Good god there are stupid fucking people.

        I can’t wait for someone to see a parent in a car with the windows rolled up, engine not running, and a baby in the back and start screaming that they’re overheating the baby.

        I’d love to see an experiment where a parent stands outside the car or within 10 feet of it while a child is inside and see how many people flip out. I don’t have kids or I would do this. If I do have kids, hopefully I/we will raise them in such a way that they’re happy to play along with a such a scenario.

      2. Every person there is fawning over him

        Which is the real reason why he did it, and the real reason he wants it to go viral. So that he can bask in the warm glow of his smug self satisfaction while everyone else sucks his fucking cock (his tiny pathetic cock) for being such a “hero” and calling out this “bitch” for committing the thoughtcrime of not being so terrified of everything and (correctly) assuming her child would be safe in the car for a couple of minutes while she ran into the Sprint store.

        This fuckhead could care less about the kid’s well being or he wouldn’t have posted a video that indcluded the mother’s license plate so the cops could go take her child away. ‘Cause I’m sure it’ll be sooo much better off in state custody…

        1. ^This

      3. If I felt like having a crap ton of retards facebook stalking me, I would seriously consider going on there and telling him he’s a nosy cunt who was only interested in getting his back patted by likeminded retards who think it’s okay to doxx someone and wish them violence.

        1. This is why you need a dummy Facebook account, just so you can post something like that with no personal repurcussions.

          1. My thoughts exactly

    3. Carl Paz can go fuck himself with his self-righteous idiocy.

      His actions can lead to the mother losing the child and for what?

      Honestly, if he pulled that with me…POW.

      1. Oh. Lest some two-bit, douchebag, Paz-type, gag ordering, lawyer is reading, my comment is ‘pow’ as in ‘pow right in the kisser’ as in ‘punch in the face’.

        Not bang, bang with a gun.

        1. Common-or-garden assault then, and not ADW.

          Gotcha
          :/

          1. Does Rufus work out? If he’s a weightlifter, a ‘pow right in the kisser’ could be charged as ADW.

    4. Look at his facebook page. Some dipshits are calling him a miracle worker.

  2. What a fucking douche bag. She’s obviously paying attention to the kid and is mindful. If he really wanted to be a hero and prove what a wonderful human being he is, he should stand along side the car until the mom returns keeping an extra eye on the kid. I liked the mom’s attitude, though.

    1. He didn’t want to be a hero, though. He wanted attention, and he got it.

      1. We don’t need another hero….

        /Tina Turner

    2. The other day (100 degree plus), I stopped (in the shade, under the awning) to get gas with my 5-year-old, who was passed out asleep in the backseat. Of course, the card reader was broken, so I had to run inside to pay. I was gone approximately 1 minute, but every second I was gone, I had a creeping sense of dread that Carl Paz would be waiting for me on my return, having dialed 911, hoping to get me thrown in jail.

      I hate this shit.

      1. I don’t even have a kid yet, but i have an increasing fear of some dumbass calling the cops because my dogs are hanging their heads out the window while I’m in Chick-fil-a getting me chicken and them ice cream (the line is always 20 minutes long, so I go inside where it takes 5 minutes).

      2. I feel the same way. While I’ve thought about leaving my dog in the car a few times. I’ve only done that once because I fear some moron will break all my windows to “free” the dog.

        I watched some dumbass give a mom a hard time at a recycling center about leaving her kid in the car while she waited in line. The mom got pretty pissed and pointed out the car was on and the AC was running (it was a hybrid so the engine hum was low). The Nanny would’ve admit she was wrong or made in an err and continued saying that leaving a child alone in a car was terrible. The mom ended up leaving the line and driving off.

      3. What are you doing even leaving the house with your child when the temperature is above 60F?

        You’re a terrible parent. A Monster. Nearly The Worst.

        On a more serious note, leaving the child passed out is a bad move. Noseyfucks would walk up and automatically assume the kid is nearly dead from heatstroke. Always wake the child, towel off any sweat, and leave them attentively watching blues clues while holding a FULL water bottle and a rape whistle.

  3. raise your own kids paz and quit creeping on other people’s.

    1. Love the handle.

      And yes, Paz seems to exhibit the traits of a pedophile.

      1. His facebook account name is “carlsellscandy”, not “carlgivesawaycandyfromhisvan”, so not obviously a pedophile.

    2. NO! Puleeeaaazzzeee do NOT repdoduce, paz. For the good of all humanity

      1. He could adopt.

        1. NIGEL: Couldn’t you have your balls cut off?
          PAZ: Hohh, it’s not as simple as that, Nigel. …
          GIRL: You could have had them pulled off in an accident.

  4. Carl Paz needs to meet the business end of a woodchipper, stat.

    1. For doing this.

      For filming in portrait and not landscape, slowly and feet first.

    2. You think Carl Paz is any less of a petty douche than a judge? You’re on thin ice, Jordan. Especially since the current administration loves itself some smug clueless internet celebrities.

  5. When you put your child in the backseat, put your phone there, too. That way you won’t forget your child?you will notice that you don’t have your phone with you. You may not notice you don’t have your child with you if you get to work, the child has fallen asleep in the back, and you go about your day.

    Pretty sad fucking commentary on modern life that we’d supposedly notice the absence of our phones more than we would our kids.

      1. Yes it is.

        1. Once again, the incredible Washington Post feature Fatal Distraction, about how kids get left in cars. Has nothing to do with modern life, except to the extent that small kids are now in rear facing car seats in the back seat instead of right next to the parent.

          1. I love that we talk like this is a major issue and then we see the numbers:

            Death by hyperthermia” is the official designation. When it happens to young children, the facts are often the same: An otherwise loving and attentive parent one day gets busy, or distracted, or upset, or confused by a change in his or her daily routine, and just… forgets a child is in the car. It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year, parceled out through the spring, summer and early fall. The season is almost upon us.

            And then:

            Two decades ago, this was relatively rare.

            Well, WaPo, I think 15-25 times a year is still ‘relatively rare’ in a country with millions of children.

            1. That piece is heartbreaking though:

              Each instance has its own macabre signature. One father had parked his car next to the grounds of a county fair; as he discovered his son’s body, a calliope tootled merrily beside him. Another man, wanting to end things quickly, tried to wrestle a gun from a police officer at the scene. Several people — including Mary Parks of Blacksburg — have driven from their workplace to the day-care center to pick up the child they’d thought they’d dropped off, never noticing the corpse in the back seat.

              Jesus.

              1. Another man, wanting to end things quickly, tried to wrestle a gun from a police officer at the scene.

                Eh? He wanted to execute the kid’s father, or what?

            2. Two decades ago cars were more inhabitable.

            3. I blame air conditioning and electric locks. People didn’t used to have their windows closed and doors locked all the time. Now it’s automatic for most people.

              1. If I remember the WaPo article correctly, Weingarten blames the requirement that kids be put into car seats, and that car seats be strapped in the back.

                1. I leave the kids in the car with it running and the oldest on my cell phone with my parents. That’s how paranoid I am.

          2. Forgetting an inanimate object in your car is one thing. Forgetting a living human being is quite another. Yes, shit happens, but when you’re responsible for taking care of something that isn’t fully capable of taking care of itself yet, then it’s a question of priorities and being mindful that there’s a child in your charge. Given that these tragedies are relatively rare (even the article asserts that these incidents hardly ever happened until 20 years ago), the media coverage on it is overblown, but that doesn’t take away from the pathos of the exhortation above.

            1. 20 years ago you left the windows cracked open because A/C was still a luxury feature, and only lasted 2 or 3 years anyway.

              1. 20 years ago you left the windows cracked open because A/C was still a luxury

                I realize technology has made the concept of window cranks an anachronism, but it is actually possible to crack them open in a car with power windows, too.

                If I don’t leave my kids in the car while I’m running an errand, even if I have them in my line of sight at all times, it’s because I know there’s assholes like Paz who will dox me on the Internet or call the cops, not because I can’t leave the windows on my Civic cracked open so they can breathe and don’t die of hyperthermia.

                1. but it is actually possible to crack them open in a car with power windows, too.

                  Absolutely, and there are sunroofs as well. This doesn’t apply to infants, but as a 3 or 4 year old, I could crank the window down if I got too hot. You can’t do that with power windows (assuming that the parent takes the key out of the ignition).

              2. 20 years ago was 1995. A/C was a standard feature in every car and had been for several years.

                1. In 1995, people were still driving cars from the 60-70s. FUCK, they still are.

            2. (even the article asserts that these incidents hardly ever happened until 20 years ago)

              These incidents hardly ever happen now.

          3. These things get massive amounts of attention because it’s every parents worst nightmare.

            Especially if you have a newborn, you’re probably sleep deprived from being woken up to feed it all night, so it’s something everyone can imagine happening to them.

            1. Even at my most sleep deprived, I never understood how someone could forget their kid for hours.

              1. A large portion happens due to missing daycare dropoff. Your schedule is different for your morning commute, and you end up at work not thinking about your kid. Then, hours later, you either get a real bad feeling like you forgot something, or you find your kid in the backseat on the way home. It’s a derivative of the whole “your mind shifts gears every time you walk through a doorway” cliche.

        2. I take it you have your kids strapped to your body all day?

          1. It’s what a good parent does, Hugh.

          2. I put a higher priority on my kids than my stupid cell phone. I’ve forgotten my phone in my car. I’ve never forgotten my kids. The phone is easily replaceable; the kids aren’t.

            I realize that’s a mind-blowing concept in this age of BEEP BOOP MUH DIGITAL UMBILICUS.

            1. It has nothing to do with priority.

              1. What does it have to with then, exactly? Because I’m seeing a lot of superficial snark over the simple observation that a person’s own flesh and blood, in a less atomized society, would normally take greater precedence in a parent’s mind than a cell phone.

                Hell, even the mother in this case knew her child was in the car and was keeping an eye on him before this asshole doxxed her.

                1. I prioritize not burning my house down over putting dinner on the table, and yet I still occasionally forget to turn the oven or stove off after cooking. I don’t notice it until later when I go to wash dishes.

                  1. I prioritize not burning my house down over putting dinner on the table, and yet I still occasionally forget to turn the oven or stove off after cooking.

                    If you were going to leave the house for any length of time after dinner, you wouldn’t remember to make sure the stove was turned off?

                    1. No, because it’s not a habit. The stove is always off when it’s not actively in use, except on the vanishingly rare occasions that I forget to turn it off.

                    2. When I’m thinking about going out I’d be a lot more likely to check and make sure I had my phone than to check the stove again. That’s a real-world response, not “What your priorities should be.”

                      Of course we could also mandate that child seats be linked to the car and automatically OnStar the police when anything is in them and the motor’s off. 🙁

                  2. and yet I still occasionally forget to turn the oven or stove off after cooking

                    I left the stove on once, and went completely OCD on it after that. I check 2-3 times to make sure it’s off before walking away with my food.

                    Still turn the oven on with a pizza box inside about once a year.

                2. Read the WashPo article. It’s all about routine. The assumption is that you always take your phone with you. I personally think it’s a flawed assumption, but that’s just me. If your routine is to pick up your phone, then when you can’t find it next to you, the break in routine makes you remember your kid is in the car. As the article said, it’s almost always when a parent doesn’t normally have drop-off duty that this happens. If you’ve ever wanted to run an errand on the way home, but forgot until you were past, it’s exactly the same brain mechanism.

                3. Like others have said, any change in routine can basically short-circuit your usual thought process when it comes to making sure you’ve done [whatever.] I’ve experienced this myself, and it’s terrifying. I live in NYC and every morning I walk my dog, then get coffee on the way back. I tie the dog up outside the cafe while I go in, then untie him on the way out and walk back home. One day my mother called me while I was getting coffee, so I walked out with both coffee and phone in my hand — right past my dog. Didn’t even register that I had left him there. I think it was because I had something in both hands (the phone instead of the leash) and my brain was like, “Yup, that’s the right number of things! Let’s go home!” I got all the way back and was sitting in my apartment wondering why it was so quiet before I realized what I’d done. (The dog is fine, by the way.)

                  I’d never done anything like that before, and I really hope I never do again, and I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone else because it was really scary. But if you’ve got a human brain, you’re just as susceptible to getting your wires crossed as the rest of us, no matter how mindful or responsible you think you are.

              2. Exactly. Every time I read one of these stories, there’s always some high and mighty douche bag going on about how their priorities are in line or whatever. The fact is, its that kind of person that doesn’t think they need to figure out a way to remind themselves, that is the most likely candidate to do this to one of their children.

                Red, I hope you never leave your kids in the car like that, and you probably won’t. But its not because you have your priorities aligned better than other people, its because the odds of anyone doing it is around .0000000001% or whatever it said in the article.

                1. The fact is, its that kind of person that doesn’t think they need to figure out a way to remind themselves, that is the most likely candidate to do this to one of their children.

                  Um, the point isn’t that a parent figures they don’t need a way to remind themselves, it’s that they’re mindful of their kids being in the car with them and remain so if their kids can’t fend for themselves. That’s part of the responsibility of being a parent, and I know how libertarians are supposed to be all about personal responsibility.

                  1. I know if feels good to be all judgmental, but the fact is, the parents who have left their children in their cars, in most cases, are good parents who were taken out of their daily routine. I know it doesn’t make you feel superior to admit it, but you are a creature of habit, as we all are. If you think its impossible for you to do something horrible like this, you’re absolutely wrong.

                    Here’s a sample….
                    USF Neuroscientist Dr. David Diamond says there’s a science behind it. “It’s the parent that more typically on that day might be going straight to work, and so their brain habit system is now following that more traveled route, and that habit system is so powerful that it actually suppresses a separate, more independently brain system that’s supposed to remind them that there’s a child in the car.”

                    http://www.wtsp.com/story/news…../12691899/

                    Google it, you’ll find any number of articles about it. And this is why the idea of giving your phone to the child is a good idea. The only thing it says about the the parents put their phone with their child is that they are smart enough to realize that mistakes/accidents happen and its a good idea to do something to insure you don’t fall into your habitual routine and forget what’s important.

                    1. The other tip is to put your purse back there. I suppose a fella could leave his wallet in the backseat, but I don’t how aware you guys are of that lump on your backside relative to how aware a woman would be of her purse/wristlet.

            2. Having your phone on you all day doesn’t mean you prioritize it above your kids any more than having underwear on all day means you prioritize it above your home.

              Most people have their phones within reach at all times because its crucial part of navigating modern life. Kids, meanwhile, are semi-autonomous sentient beings who can typically survive a few minutes out of arms length or even *gasp* out of sight without being dragged off by a wolverine.

              It can be easy to forget about your kids when you’re preoccupied with running errands and they are largely content to quietly entertain themselves. If you’re prone to such forgetfulness, and worried it could cause problems, putting your phone with them is a good way to ensure you at least check on them before you go off to do whatever.

              Or, in your mind, it makes you Hitler.

              1. It can be easy to forget about your kids when you’re preoccupied with running errands and they are largely content to quietly entertain themselves. If you’re prone to such forgetfulness, and worried it could cause problems, putting your phone with them is a good way to ensure you at least check on them before you go off to do whatever.

                This largely happens due to a slight change of a routine schedule, but not a complete change. Something like needing to stop to pick up donuts for the conference call on the way in to work. The kid falls asleep, just like every day, and the donut stop throws you off your routine. All of a sudden, it’s 10:45, the conference call is over, and you’re trying to figure out why you were 15 minutes early to work this morning.

                The only way I could remotely see somebody being internally consistent about this issue (of priorities) is if they’re 100% against daycare. Even that wouldn’t make this problem go away, but a large proportion of these accidents do happen when the child was on the way to daycare.

                Generally, the best way to avoid something like this happening is to make sure that you have to access the back seat after every trip. If you have a backpack, put it on the back seat. If not, put your phone or your lunch or something.

              2. Having your phone on you all day doesn’t mean you prioritize it above your kids any more than having underwear on all day means you prioritize it above your home.

                Wow, what a stupid and unrelated analogy. It almost makes up for the grade-school-level snark in your second post.

                Most people have their phones within reach at all times because its crucial part of navigating modern life. Kids, meanwhile, are semi-autonomous sentient beings who can typically survive a few minutes out of arms length or even *gasp* out of sight without being dragged off by a wolverine

                Sure they can survive a few minutes out of arms’ length. They can’t survive being locked in a hot car for hours. But maybe you’re too ignorant to understand the difference.

                It can be easy to forget about your kids when you’re preoccupied with running errands and they are largely content to quietly entertain themselves.

                This is just lazy reasoning.

                If you’re prone to such forgetfulness, and worried it could cause problems, putting your phone with them is a good way to ensure you at least check on them before you go off to do whatever.

                Or, you could just not drive with your kids–if they aren’t old enough to take care of themselves–if you’re more likely to forget about them than you are about an inanimate object.

                Or, in your mind, it makes you Hitler

                Oh those poor, self-sacrificing parents who can’t keep their lives in order without their cell phone!

                1. You clearly took a lot more time to format your response than you did to read my comment.

                  1. Considering you seem more invested in making smart-ass comments than a substantive argument, I can hardly be blamed for missing whatever point you’re actually trying to make.

                    1. I know better than to waste my time making substantive comments. You’re not interested in entertaining the idea that other people have different values or different habits or different priorities. You just want to flog yourself in the public square so everyone can see how pious you are and how you love your precious kids more than the soulless technology that everyone else loves more than their kids.

            3. This is a silly argument. it has to do with what is habitual or not, not what your priorities are.

              Many people habitually check their phones, and hence notice if they are missing. However, they do not habitually have their kids in eyesight all the time.

              Personally, I’m going to have GPS trackers sewn into their clothes so I can track them on my phone, habitually.

              1. My phone sits in my pocket, so I don’t even have to actively check whether or not it is missing when I get out of my car; I can feel it.

              2. You monster. What happens if a child molester removes their clothes!

                Subcutaneous RFID tags – they’re far harder to detect, and a kiddy fiddler has to take a knife to the kids to remove them!

            4. Don’t break your fucking arm patting yourself on the back for being such a sterling human being.

  6. I wonder how I survived my childhood. Being outside unsupervised, riding in the backseat of cars sans restraints – ditto the back of pickup trucks – all the while sucking fumes exhaust systems of the day cranked out, and riding my bike with not a helmet anywhere near my noggin.

    1. Your childhood experiences probably explain a lot about your current self. 😉

      1. THAT’S TRUE OF EVERYONE.

        1. Do you sleep with your back against the wall and a rolled up sock in your mouth?

      2. FoE’s parents always made him late to everything. To compensate, FoE now has to be first to show up everywhere.

        1. *rousing applause*

    2. Anyone know the statute of limitations on child neglect violations?

      1. I’m pretty sure it’s the rest of your life. At least if your children are the vengeful sort.

  7. did the kid sign a release?

  8. I can’t imagine feeling okay with leaving my baby in a car by herself. It does look and feel like bad parenting to me. However, I’m not okay with idiot vigilantes attempting to shame parents for making choices about their kids just because they don’t agree with the choices. The only really strong stance I have about judging other parents is when it comes to vaccinating their kids.

    1. It does look and feel like bad parenting to me.

      How so?

      1. Because there are fucking lunatics who will call CPS when you leave your child in the car unattended.

        1. This is like that “Marijuana. Harmless?” commercial where the kid is in the bathroom stall acting like an idiot and gets arrested. The harm from the law is far greater than the harm from the act.

          1. Yep, exactly. It’s a stupid reason to have shitty legal consequences, but those consequences do exist, and exposing yourself and your child to the risk of those consequences can be bad parenting (I don’t think that it is bad parenting, but the argument can be made).

            Same reason I don’t smoke pot. I value my (worthless without stupid laws about drugs) ability to piss clean should a random drug test come my way over my (completely legitimate) right to smoke what I want.

        2. there are fucking lunatics who will call CPS when you leave your child in the car unattended.

          Winner winner, chicken dinner.

    2. I did a few times, mostly when my kids were sleeping, but I was always a few steps away and kept my eye on the car. It just isn’t a big deal if you bother to pay attention.

      1. Yeah, I’m not afraid for my daughter when I do that. I’m afraid that I’ll encounter some fuckwit like Carl Paz.

    3. Perhaps you would like to eat my shit? It has the look and feel of chocolate.

  9. 2 kids my ex-wife provided child-care for died from being left in a car by a parent. I’ll admit it gave me some sleepless nights just thinking about it. I guess this makes me an advocate of at least trying to find a parent if you see a kid left in a car, but nobody has to be a dick about it.

    1. I guess this makes me an advocate of at least trying to find a parent if you see a kid left in a car, but nobody has to be a dick about it.

      No kidding. Popping a big, smug, spittle-flecked authoritay boner, like this asshole did, isn’t the way to do it.

      How hard would it be to walk into the Sprint store and say “Hey, I noticed a kid in that car out there. Are the parents in here? Is everything OK?”

    2. I guess this makes me an advocate of at least trying to find a parent if you see a kid left in a car,

      Bingo! If the child seems to be in distress, try to contact the parent. The only time the police should be involved is when it is obvious that the child has been in there for a long time, is in life-threatening danger, and the parent is nowhere to be found.

      1. in which case, break the window, rescue the child, and let the lawyers figure out who pays for the window.

  10. Mom: “It’s not an ‘it’ it’s a he”
    Busybody DBag: “Well I don’t know his gender.”

    I for one was surprised that the busybody in question did not use the term “gender identity”

    1. There are many types of asshole in the world and not all of them coincide all the time.

  11. Prissy Douchebags for one hundred, Alex.

  12. “In your sense, maybe there’s nothing wrong,” Paz responded.

    “Yeah. Its my kid, so fuck off. You want to raise a kid, go get one of your own.”

    1. No, letting Paz raise a kid of his own is about the worst idea ever. Exceeded only by letting him raise anyone else’s.

  13. Kaitlyn’s Law, signed by Gov. Gray Davis in 2001, makes it illegal to _______________.

    1. Change genders?

      1. Sorry, I meant “fuck an intern, have her killed, then frame a mentally disabled Mexican day laborer for her murder.”

        1. That legislation seems like it could be too broadly interpreted.

    2. Mention Hitler?

        1. He’s the guy that did that thing one time.

            1. Well….Everyone on the internet is just like him.

              There’s a law or something.

    3. refer to transexuals by the wrong pronoun on Twitter

      1. In ten years, this will be an offense worthy of CPS involvement.

  14. Kaitlyn’s Law, signed by Gov. Gray Davis in 2001, makes it illegal to leave a child unattended in a motor vehicle. The law was named for Kaitlyn Russell, a 6-month-old who died in Riverside County in 2000 after a caregiver left her alone in a car for more than two hours on a 100-degree day.

    Typical proglydyte thinking. Take a situation that’s already criminal–involuntary manslaughter–and tack on extra laws that don’t actually mean anything because people are emoting like banshees over it. Meanwhile, personal freedoms are salami-sliced into oblivion.

    1. They really do believe in magic.

      1. Especially given that such a law will not prevent this from happening since no one thinks ‘I am about to forget my child in a car, but I just remembered that’s illegal.’

  15. Lenore should get ahead of this by attempting to be sympathetic to the “dying child” fears by issuing an infographic flowcharts or something on “How to be a hero to a child when you find them in an unattended car”

    1) Is the child in distress? If yes do XXX and go to step 2, if no do YYY
    2) Is the child in a dangerous environment? [define dangerous environment in terms of temp, windows being rolled up, etc] If yes do XXX and go to step 3, if no do YYY

    etc.

    Give these emotional wrecks something to do that will give them the warm fuzzies of being a “hero” while not getting the child and its parents in legal trouble unless absolutely necessary.

    1. The public just needs better training, is what you’re saying.

      I like it.

      1. D.A.R.E. to leave your kids alone in cars…

  16. But in fact, the most dangerous thing the mom did that day was drive her child at all.

    She should have told the little lazybones to walk down to the park and find somebody to play with.

  17. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
    ? C.S. Lewis

    1. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies

      I’ve always lived under both. Losing either one would be a fine start.

    2. +1 one of his best quotes

    3. Hey – I’ll live under whichever tranny I want to, mister.

      1. Funniest comment in a not-so-funny thread.

        +….oh, let’s say…Moe 50.

  18. I’ve done the same thing as this mom – dropping off or picking up dry cleaning. Parked my car in front of a large glass window and kept on eye on the kid the whole time. I was about 20 feet away and absent the car for maybe 5-10 minutes. These laws are draconian and leave no room for responsible judgement of the parent, and every asshole passerby feels they must step in to “protect” a kid who’s not in danger.

    1. Do you think any of them ever have the epiphany, looking back at the havoc and real mayhem they caused, that the stranger the child needed protection from was them?

  19. On the other hand, he posted the video and included the licence plate. Now the police are indeed looking into the matter.

    Congratulations, asshole. You’ve put the kid at more risk than the mother did.

    1. The baby pulled its hand out of his pants… shooting: justified.

  20. I caught some goddamn busybody trying to give my dog water when I left him in the car for 5 minutes (anyone who is in 7-11 longer than 5 minutes, not including checkout time, is a weirdo), not with the windows cracked, but with the windows open far enough for him to stick his entire head and neck out. I wish he were a vicious Michael Vick dog so he could have taught that bitch a lesson about minding her own bees wax.

    1. Anyone who touches a strange dog in a car deserves to have their arm ripped off. Dogs are territorial. When a dog is in a car, the car is its home, much like an embassy is considered U.S. soil. I’ve seen the friendliest dog start growling when a stranger stuck an arm in the door.

    2. Ohhh that would fucking drive me nuts. I would probably make up some story about how I needed her contact information because the dog wasn’t supposed to have water before his surgery, and I’m going to have to reschedule the appointment and board him another night thanks to her idiocy.

      Make her sweat it a bit about being such a fucking busybody.

      1. OOoooh…good one!!

        1. My wife accuses me of being spiteful, I have no idea why 😉

          1. Hell, I might even add a fake phone call to the vet in there!

      2. this would be amazing!

  21. Do. not. read. the. facebook. comments.

    Overdoses of derp kill more people each year than being left in vehicles for ten minutes.

    But here’s a sampling of the derp in case you’re not brave enough:

    “The women, the store were wrong and the Good Samaritan was right. It takes 8 minutes to boil in a car.”

    “White people logics lmao”

    And multiple comments about how they wish CPS would take her kid from her. Because a baby being left in a car for a handful of minutes while running a quick errand is so deleterious and such an affront to basic human dignity that the poor child should be forced to be raised by the State instead of in a loving home.

    1. Where’s derpetologist when we need him? We have an expedition of grave risk.

      1. Seriously, I need him to dig through that trove.

        I’ll be busy making ramen and dim sum in my car parked outside. Good news is it’ll only take 8 minutes.

        1. I just wonder what these fools would do with my car if I left my (hypothetical) kid in there. I have a push-button start hybrid, so the A/C can be on for 15 minutes at a time while i’m away and it’s nearly silent. I could pay for a subscription so that my phone would notify me when it shut off, and I could turn it right back on. Theoretically, it could be 105* out and my child could be sitting in the car for hours at a time in a perfectly climate controlled setting, with only the occasional motor sound as the battery recharges.

          What happens when Carl Pez breaks out my window and discovers that it’s a nippy 68 inside my car? I bet that CPS still comes and Carl Pezhead is still lauded as a hero.

          1. He had the rightfeels and was goodthinkfull.

    2. What a bunch of fucking muppets. That impulse to socially shame strangers is so goddamn strong with this lazy bunch of slacktivists. At the very least Paz can be credited with putting his brainless ethos to work by confronting the woman, but the dweebs cheering him on are busy high-fiving one another for having done absolutely nothing and having done it mindlessly.

      1. And we’re talking SoCal women here. I’m willing to bet a not insignificant portion of them are single mothers who have instagram accounts teeming with photos of their exploits at various vegas day clubs and LA nightclubs while they outsource the painful business of actually raising their hellspawn to their parents.

        1. outsource the painful business of actually raising their hellspawn to their parents Head Start.

          FIFY

      2. Absolute loser! Nothing inside a sprint store was worth leaving your child alone in a car. Lazy, ignorant! Then she wanted confirmation of temp. Next time, just call the cops. Let her show them that attitude. Good for you bravo!!!

        You mam are an ignorant cunt, educate yourself and realize how fast that car can turn in to an oven! Even if it’s 5 min!

        Its in your fucking dmv booklet its illegal to leave a child in a car unattended

        I hope that bitch gets her child removed because she obviously doesn’t know how to take care of children

        She looks like a crackhead. Should’ve called the cops on her. Maybe she does drugs around the baby, who knows.

        Honestly I think you should of call the cops so that bitch can learn her lesson. I don’t even want to image what she does behind close door to the baby.

        1. All different posters, by the way. Apparently the wish to see violence inflicted on a person by an intermediary is irresistible for these people.

        2. Lotsa b words up in here.

          No doubt many a self-avowed feminist using them. The mask slips further.

          1. I had to quit looking through them. The toxic reactionary TAKE THE CHILDREN THAT’LL LEARN HER attitude is viscerally upsetting. No good faith to be found here.

            1. Just out of curiosity but is she black?

        3. She looks like a crackhead. Should’ve called the cops on her. Maybe she does drugs around the baby, who knows.

          She might put guns in her baby’s face without even caring if she shoots it! Who knows!

          1. She might have been on her way home to barbecue that baby, and Sprint was the last stop before picking up an extra bottle of sauce. You just never know about people!

    3. Odds that at least 1 or 2 of the commenters have left their own children in the car under similar circumstances? I’d say pretty high. Close to 100%. But it’s OK when they do it. They just really, really needed to pick up that dry cleaning, just real quick.

    4. It takes 8 minutes to boil in a car.

      Oh my God, this person is dumb. Every story I’ve ever heard of kids dying like this involves them being left in the car for hours.

      Here’s a list – click on the names and you’ll see what I mean.

      All the stories are “I went to work and forgot he was there and left him all day” or “I went inside and was exhausted and fell asleep.

      There are no stories that proceed ‘I was in a store for ten minutes watching him attentively while I bought a phone.’

      There is one ludicrous instance where a mother went inside for 15 minutes, the heater malfunctioned, and the heat inside the car went up to 200 degrees. That’s a pretty ludicrous 1 in a million chance though. Freaking out about kids dying from malfunctioning heaters is kind of a waste of time given how unlikely it is.

      1. Yeah, it takes longer than 8 minutes for a pot of water to boil on my stove.

        1. It took longer than 8 minutes for my ex-wife to figure OUT how to boil water on my stove!

      2. A heater malfunction sounds like the fault of manufacturer more than of the parent. Not that I think the manufacturer should pay any damages, even if they are likely a partner-in-fascism.

        1. That’s what I mean, the one instance of relatively quick death involved a bizarre and unforeseeable technical error.

      3. The first one does say 20 minutes on an 86 degree day.

        I am calling bullshit on that too.

        1. I’m doubtful on that one too, since it’s the only one that involves someone dying in less than an hour. All the rest are a) mechanical error or b) 4-5 hours.

          1. There’s one 2-hour on an 86 degree day. The babysitter said she only intended to shop for a few minutes and it ended up going 2-hours. The end of that also notes a pending trial so we can safely assume the babysitter is trying to mitigate her punishment.

            1. I believe a kid could die in 2 hours on an 86 degree day. That’s a long ass time.

              And what kind of complete moron leaves a child in a car for 2 hours while shopping? That’s way dumber than most of the instances over there, which seem like honest but tragic mistakes.

    5. I read that boiling comment and wonder where the hell they’re parking.

      1. They’ve got a great place right on the shore of the River Styx.

    6. It takes 8 minutes to boil in a car.

      Uh, what? Where did that nugget come from?

      1. Some scientifically illiterate dipshit’s ass, I think.

    7. It takes 8 minutes to boil in a car

      So the kid was in a pan of water and it was 212 degrees F inside the car? Somehow I don’t think so. You said it was derp, but I think that goes beyond just plain old fashioned derp. We need a new word to describe that level of pants shitting stupidity.

      1. We already have it. The public.

      2. Tulpic?

        Boronic?

        1. Go to the source: Paztic.

      3. And don’t forget: that commenter’s vote counts exactly as much as yours does.

      4. And don’t forget: that commenter’s vote counts exactly as much as yours does.

  22. But in fact, the most dangerous thing the mom did that day was drive her child at all.

    No, the most dangerous thing she did is leave her child in view of a massive network of government informants, known as “voters”.

    1. SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING!

      1. SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING!

        And when they say “say something” they mean “denounce” your fellow citizen, a’la the French Revolution? Or is it more “report to local commissar for re-education”?

  23. He seemed positively delighted that he was getting the chance to record and post the video for everyone.

    What an asshole.

    1. He’s an enthusiastic facebook user… “attention” is his purpose for being.

      1. This is the best post he’s had all year! It’s so exciting!

    2. Preening and social signaling. He’s proving to all the girls that friendzoned him what a good dad he’ll be one day (to the offspring of the two other guys who knocked her up and left).

  24. I had a lady try and pull that shit on me when I was picking up takeout for an early dinner. It did’t work out so well for her. If you’re going to criticize my parenting, you probably shouldn’t be feeding your obese daughter a large ice cream while you do it.

    1. I had a lady try and pull that shit on me when I was picking up takeout for an early dinner. It did’t work out so well for her.

      Did you slap the ho or just grab her by her weave?

      1. No slapping. I have a sharp tongue and I know how to use it.

        I never intended to make the daughter cry, but hey, maybe she’ll stop asking her mommy to go out to the all you can eat ice-cream and yogurt place.

        1. You staid the pimp hand… respect.

        2. No slapping. I have a sharp tongue and I know how to use it.

          I can vouch that playa is actually Gene Simmons.

    2. I imagine it sounded something like this:

      I bet you $1,000 that my kid will last longer in the car than that ice cream cone will in your obese daughter’s hand.

      1. That little girl had way more ice cream than could fit on 10 cones.

        The fun part was explaining to my kids what just happened.

        1. You’re kids were old enough that you could explain the absurdity of what happened, yet the lard-ass good Samaritan thought they were in some danger by being alone in a parked vehicle? Her lard-ass child must be to stupid to realize that if it’s getting hot in the car, she might want to open the door and get out.

    3. Yes. Everyone who tries to shame me in public finds out that i’m an asshole

      1. You should see the expression of mingled annoyance and terror on Mrs. Dean’s face when she sees my targeting radar come on and my mouth go “weapons-free”.

        Personally, I like an audience. I draw inspiration from people watching me disassemble some dickhead in public.

  25. So he didn’t call the cops or CPS? That’s just because he’s a passive-aggressive little bitch. He caught her plates in the video, so he gets plausible deniability while the police swoop down on her.

    Let’s just say it would be a very poor idea to do something like this to my wife (not that she leaves the kids in the car–she knows there are people like Carl Paz out there)

  26. The correct response…

    Fuck you, douchebag. Mind your own fucking business, you chickenshit nanny asshole.

    1. Sometimes that’s not enough. This white knighting bullshit is getting out of hand, and sometimes people need a smackdown.

      1. If Paz had been fed into the woodchipper before posting that video, this whole sad incident would never have happened.

        1. I hasten to add, however (in the immortal words of Richard Nixon, my moral role model): That would be wrong.

  27. Now the child’s mother will be even more stressed out from having to deal with all the lawyer’s fees, court costs, visits with CPS, and the threat of criminal prosecution for breaking Kaitlyn’s Law. Carl Paz should kill himself.

  28. Paz should be shamed for making a vertical video.

    1. That might be the worst thing he did. Hold your phone sideways, motherfucker!

  29. I wanna make this somewhat viral, to spread awareness. If you see something, say something.

    MIND. YOUR. OWN. FUCKING. BUSINESS!!!!!111!!! You pathetic goddamned no good busy body shitstain.

    Also, if I had a kid and saw some dick head videoing them while they were in my car, I would have bolted out of that store and curb stomped the SOB to death screaming “Get away from my bady, you sick twisted pedophile!”

    1. I wanna make this somewhat viral, to spread awareness. If you see something, say something.

      Typhoid Mary liked to make things viral and spread awareness.

      1. +1 pustule

    2. I would have bolted out of that store and curb stomped the SOB to death screaming “Get away from my bady, you sick twisted pedophile!”

      I see you attended the same parenting class my wife did.

      1. Plausible deniability. You just have to make sure he dies so he can’t tell his side of the story. Then you tell the cop you saw the sick piece of shit videoing your kid while fondling himself.

  30. And the mother has the nerve to have this attitude.

    The best attitude is Al Swearengen’s:

    “Should I tell you when I plan to take a shit? Or would that be none of your fucking business?”

    1. I frequently find that a good guide to life choices is to ask: What Would Al Do?

  31. I wanna make this somewhat viral, to spread awareness.

    Sounds like stalking to me.

  32. Serious question: Would Paz be getting his head shaved in public in France after the Nazis were chased out?

    1. A woodchipper can be used to shave a head, right?

  33. Carl Paz: just a smidgen less of a sociopath than a police officer.

  34. A generation of boomers raised a generation of morons. I hate my peers with a passion.

    1. And a generation of Xers is raising a generation of retards. When will the cycle end?

      1. Three generations of mewling milquetoasts are enough …

        1. Beta is the new Alpha!

      2. All this has happened before, it will all happen again

  35. A generation of boomers raised a generation of morons. I hate my peers with a passion.

    1. I really hate boomers with a white hot passion. Whether of the left or right, they are almost all authoritarians and are constantly trying to use the violence of the state to force their preferences on everyone else. Millennials are little better. It’s the generations in between (gen-x) that acts as a break on the whole fiasco.

      /rant off

      1. This.

        I’m the youngest of 3, one of the first Millennials, but with older siblings who are both Gen-Xers. As a result, I’m far more Gen-X than Millennial (us tweeners are also known as Oregon Trail generation).

        1. Oregon Trail FTW!

      2. Meh. Everyone sucks and they always have. Generational generalizations like that are silly and pointless.

        1. truth. and it’s a generalization about generalizations, which I appreciate

      3. Not all of us Boomers are authoritarians. In fact, I couldn’t give any less of a fuck what you do, as long as you leave me the fuck alone.

      4. Yes, all people born in the same span of decades all have the same politics and attitudes. Libertarians believe in group identities most of all. By the way, I am a Boomer, and so are a lot of my friends, and we are all nothing like what you just ignorantly opined.

        1. And the Gen-x-ers I know are more authoritarian and progressive than any of the Boomers I know. But that doesn’t mean I should tar all gen-x-ers with that brush.

          1. Just like every generation, boomers and x-ers consist of a lot of people who just want to live their lives and be happy, a good number of hard-core authoritarians and a smaller number of hard-core individualists. I don’t think that changes much from generation to generation.

            1. Something changes from generation to generation, otherwise the country would still look and act like it did three generations ago.

              1. Each new generation of authoritarians builds on the work of the previous ones. The people don’t have to change much, just the point that they start from.

                1. Exactly.

              2. And I’m not saying that people’s attitudes and beliefs and abilities don’t change over time. Just that the broad, overall makeup of each generation doesn’t change much in terms of being more or less authoritarian or individualistic or whatever.
                This is mostly conjecture on my part, but I’m sticking with it for now.

  36. I repeat: Carl Paz should kill himself

    1. You know, there’d have been nothing wrong whatsoever with quietly and privately confronting the mother and asking whether she realizes the dangers of leaving a child unattended in a hot car, assuming the weather was particularly hot. It’s a civil precaution and it doesn’t involve publicly shaming a woman who deserves the benefit of the doubt whether Paz ultimately agrees with her decision.

      Unfortunately that course of action doesn’t accrue to Paz all the attention and accolades he wants, and so he made a spectacle of it, on camera, to post for his many admirers. He couldn’t humblebrag about a polite exchange of words with the woman. Paz wanted to whore his incivility for public approbation, and the muppets on Facebook happily showered him with it.

      1. Agreed with all points. It’s likely Carl Paz has reached the pinnacle of his life’s work today. Of course tomorrow, after word of law enforcement and CPS intervention spreads, he will come down from this high. If he were to take his own life today, then he could go out on top and save himself from the depressing crash and ensuing public backlash.

        I suspect mothers of facebook? will catch wind of his “public shaming” and “bullying” behavior and fall on him like wolves.

        1. tomorrow, after word of law enforcement and CPS intervention spreads, he will come down from this high

          No he won’t. He’ll still pat himself on the back and the barking seals on facebook will still be giving him a cyber BJ for being such a big fucking hero, even after CPS puts the kid into foster care. You could have a follow up years later where it turns out the kid’s foster parents were the worst kind of child molesting shits imaginable, and he’ll still be basking in self satisfaction over the time he got some “cunt’s” kid taken away for the “crime” of leaving him in a car for 5 fucking minutes in plain view of a huge fucking store window. Some days, I just want a fucking asteroid to hit this shitheap of a planet and finish it off once and for all.

  37. A man shamed a mother who was looking after her son from a short distance away. That’s not okay.

    1. Fucking patriarchy on display.

      1. Oh. My bad, forgot to zip up this morning.

    2. Now I’m interested in this story!

    3. I wasn’t sure how I was supposed to feel about this. Thanks for clearing it up for me, Irish!

      1. That’s the Micks for you.

        Doing the dirty jobs real Americans won’t do.

  38. I’ve never encountered a small child suffering in a car in a parking lot; but like all of you I’m sure you’ve seen small kids darting out into traffic in parking lots. Leaving the kid in the car may be the safest thing a mother can do in busy parking lots.

    1. The child needs to be locked in the panic room at home while the parents leave the house. For their safety.

      1. Nope. That’s not allowed either.

      2. He can’t be where legitimate authorities can’t get to him.

    2. It’s not a problem, if you’ve wrapped them in the recommended amount of bubble-wrap.

  39. If you see something, mind your own fucking business.

    1. If you see something, skate something.

  40. if I started a website called assholebook would people act like noses and lips?

    1. Whoa dude… You just blew my mind…

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  42. If a child can be safely left in the car (like this) – I’m all for it. Kids in a Sprint store? That’s its own layer of hell right there.

    People like Paz are the absolute worst. Did he take a selfie while shaming this poor woman? You know he wanted to.

    1. I haven’t watched the video, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he narrated with glaring vocal fry and criminal use of the word “like”.

  43. I am SO glad my kids are grown ass adults now, all 20+. So if I leave them in the car, hopefully Carl Paz won’t find the need to harrass me in the Sprint store. What a cocksucker.

    1. If he does, you have my permission to punch him in the mouth.

  44. 20,800,000,000 does not 1 trillion make Lenore.

    40,000,000 (Million) kids * 10 car rides a week = 400,000,000 (Million)
    400,000,000 (Million) * 52 = 20,800,000,000 (Billion) not 20,800,000,000,000 Which would be a little over 20 trillion.

    C’MON PEOPLE!!!!!!

    And 1 in every 670,967,742 of those errands could prove fatal

    40,000,000 chillenz / 31 or which died = 1 in 1,290,323 killed sitting in cars not 1 in 670,967,742.

    Now, we divide that by 20,800,000,000 kiddy car trips and get .000062 which is .0062%

    Point taken and all but as I see it the math is way wrong.

    For a discussion of units:
    CLICK HERE!

    1. AND I DON”T WANT TO HEAR ANY COMMIE CRAP AROUND HERE ABOUT THE LONG SCALE!!!

      Take that and shove it where you metric is.

      1. There’s two kinds of countries – countries that use the metric system, and countries THAT HAVE PUT PEOPLE ON THE FUCKING MOON.

        And I don’t wanna hear any shit about NASA using the metric system! That’s got NOTHING to do with it!!

        1. That’s right!

          Nasa knew that the moon was 238,855 miles from Earth. How many kilometers? NO ONE FUCKING CARES!

        2. Liberia and Burma put people on the moon?

      2. If you’re using any of those imprecise commie metric units, then all your data is shit!

    2. Yeah, I wasn’t gonna mathsplain it to her. I tend to get angry glares when I start mathsplaining.

      1. Angry Glares / My Care Level = UNDEFINED

        Can’t divide by zero.

        1. Unless you are Bruce Schneirer

  45. Someone should make it a point to follow this douchebag around everywhere, watch everything he does and jump on the chance to film him doing *something* and post it all over social media and everywhere possible.

    That is what people like this deserve. You want to go around being a SJW hero? Guess what, it’s coming back your way, because we know you aren’t perfect. A perfect shithead yes, but still not perfect.

    1. Ain’t nobody got time for that!

      1. Yeah and the people who do have time for it, are just like him.

  46. 1. Walmart parking lot.
    2. 8 year old and 2 year old in car alone.
    3. Saw a woman with a cart approaching car when we arrived…assumed it was the mother.
    4. 45 minutes later when we are leaving the same car with kids in it still sitting there…running.
    5. Did not approach but waited in my car another 10 minutes just in case.
    6. Sent roommate back into Walmart to notify manager that there were children alone.
    7. Manager announced on intercom with vehicle description for owner/parents to come to service desk.
    8. 10 MINUTES LATER!!!!!!!
    9. Mother gets in check out line…
    10. Police were waiting for her when she exited the store.

    None of my business?

    Of course it is!

    1. no it wasn’t

    2. Did you doxx the driver and post it on facebook?

      Trajectory of THAT process was that short of going back into Walmart and trying to ID the woman yourselves, you did nothing that most people here would see as being unreasonable. Furthermore, you spoke to Walmart staff who were in the best position to notify the driver of the car of a problem.

      The driver made a conscious decision to NOT address the concerns made by Walmart, and paid the price. Some of the regulars here might *still* fault you for that, but I’d like to think that you can see the distinction between what you did, and what the noble Mr. Paz did.

      1. Just in case more clarity is required, there’s also an issue of context. If it was 100 degrees outside the car, or it was a sketchy area of town, I might have reacted the same way. The running engine is also a problem, but a key issue here is that (and I’ll be generous here) – it seems you didn’t act precipitously, and the actions you did take seem to have been solely to protect the best interests of the kids.

        The fact that the police were called (and inevitably, the CPS) was beyond your immediate control.

        Unless you really were in it so you could preen and post selfies on Twitter to polish your self-esteem, in which case you’re an attention-whoring cunt.

        1. The fact that the police were called (and inevitably, the CPS) was beyond your immediate control.

          But, it is certainly foreseeable.

          Which means, if these kids get taken by CPS, put in a foster home, etc. etc. its on you.

          Asshole.

          1. Foreseeable, yeah, I guess so.

            Personally though, if *I* was called out over the PA at Walmart, I’d take care of the issue immediately. I’d like to think that Walmart only called the cops when nobody responded, although we’ve got no way of knowing one way or the other.

          2. Hey, man, his hands are clean!

            This is Hamster’s thick layer of sarcasm.

        2. The fact that the police were called (and inevitably, the CPS) was beyond your immediate control.

          He said nothing of the sort. He just went into passive “cop voice” to describe the police being called there.

    3. Of course, you waited 55 minutes to an hour later to notify the manager first.

      But totally same scenario there chief.

    4. Were the kids in any sort of distress?

      1. They were in danger. Of becoming Free Range kids. Something that only truly hedonistic and non-adult like people, who don’t want to pay their fair share, like Reason magazine writers, would advocate.

      2. They likely are now that they’ve been commandeered by the state because a busybody doesn’t think an 8-year old knows how to exit a car if it gets too hot even though it was running with AC on.

        1. 8 years old is 2nd grade.

          When my daughter was in 2nd grade, she would work the stick-shift in my old Subaru while I worked the gas and the clutch.

          1. 3rd grade in some states.

      3. Thank you. The necessary question.

        1. I know that by age 8 I was happily sitting in the car while my mom shopped. 8 year olds are capable of opening the door if they get too hot or something. And many are capable of keeping an eye on a 2 year old for an hour.

          I think a lot of people forget what it was like to be a kid and that everyone isn’t a retarded infant up to the age of 13.

          1. This^. How many people would be OK with leaving an 8-year-old and a 2-year-old in the house while helping the next-door neighbor with something for an hour, but have a shit-fit when it happens in a car.

          2. I dunno. I look around and I see a lot of retarded infants well past 25. Take Carl Paz for example.

            1. No, that’s something different. Retarded infants can’t be held responsible for shitting on everything.

    5. Let’s see:

      Scenario A: Kid in clear sight of mother the entire time.

      Scenario B: Mother vanishes for an hour.

      Yep, totally analogous.

    6. I’m still skeptical in spite of the fact that you waited an hour. The engine may have been running to keep the AC going. All doors locked, with AC on and engine running, the kids are probably ok.

      Although it’s a Walmart and there’s no reason that an 8-year old can’t walk around in the store and the 2-year old can’t sit in the cart.

      Why not just knock on the window and ask the kids if they are ok? If they have AC and how long they expect their mother to be?

    7. You haven’t written anything to indicate the kids were in any danger.

      But your actions lead to mom getting arrested and the kids going into the hands of CPS. You royally fucked up their lives.

    8. 10. Police were waiting for her when she exited the store.

      11. Mom gets jail time.
      12. Kids get foster care, then juvie.

      Mission accomplished.

      1. Well, he waited a whole fucking hour, something cool needed to happen to make it worth it.

    9. 8 year old and 2 year old in car alone.. . . the same car with kids in it still sitting there…running

      Ok, so you have 2 kids, one of which old enough to get help if something goes catastrophically wrong. The car is climate controlled (since it’s running), and a 3rd grader is probably old enough to know not to play with the pedals or the gear shift while mommy’s away. Where, exactly, is this clear and imminent danger that you ruined this family for?

      Congratulations, what a fucking hero. You saved those poor children from being bored for another 15 minutes.

      [Insert Standard “I Wouldn’t Have Left My Kids In The Same Situation” Disclaimer Here]

      1. He wants his round of applause. He deserves applause! Because he’s a hero. We’re all just bit players in the autobiography of how wonderful he is. Shall we write a song about his bravery?

      2. [Insert Standard “I Wouldn’t Have Left My Kids In The Same Situation” Disclaimer Here]

        Yeah, because some asshole like dickless up there might see them and end up having the cops called and the kids taken by CPS and put into foster pedophile care.

        1. You hit it on the head. 75% of the reason my kids wouldn’t be in the car has to do with other people. They’re gonna break my window to “save the chilluns,” or they’re gonna call the cops on me, or they’re gonna steal the car. Not worth it.

          The other 25% is that I think children of that age (2) need to start learning how to handle an hour in the grocery store. It’s a developmental thing… helps them realize that the world doesn’t revolve around them.

    10. Yeah, you’re a real fucking hero.

      Wait, did I say hero? I meant asshole.

    11. At what point did you actually do something that benefited the children and not your ego?

  47. Over the years, we’ve become more civilized. People have become less inclined to violence.

    Carl Paz is the downside of that phenomenon. In my father’s time, Mr. Paz’s behavior would have been a good audition to have the mother’s husband beat the living hell out of him. And he would have had to have the good sense to hold his tongue, or at least would have learned that skill quickly enough.

    1. we’ve become more civilized

      The Facebook comments posted above indicate otherwise.

  48. What’s gonna happen folks, is that movie Idiocracy is going to be a self fulfilling prophecy. Intelligent people are going to stop having children, because it’s too great a constant liability. Only idiots like this Paz guy will reproduce and it’s inveitable, an Idiocracy where all of these dimwit busy bodies will make each other completely miserable, which is exactly what they deserve.

  49. I wanna make this somewhat viral, to spread awareness.

    As a good parent, I would go out and look on my baby.

    I guess if you were raised by the internet, when you see a sibling or peer doing something that you don’t like, but that’s not precisely wrong or immoral, you would run and tattle to the internet.

    A good portion of the time, I punish the kid that comes to me with this sort of bullshit. What’s the lesson? “You worry about you!”

    1. Still working on little Bandita.

      Bandita to Ms Bandit : “Daddy spilled wine on the carpet!”

      Me: Honey, we don’t tattle on daddy if we want that new princess doll.

      Bandita: NEVERMIND!

      1. You keep that up and little Bandita will be a US Senator one day.

        1. Here to hopin’

          Daddy needs an ambassadorship in St. Marten!…they have an embassy….really, i seen it.

          1. Don’t forget about Hyperion. I would like to be Czar of something. I don’t really care what it is and you don’t even have to tell me what my job responsibilities will be.

            1. Just don’t investigate my disability fraud racket and we’re good.

              1. Fake scandal!

          2. Which side?

            1. The side next to the water.

  50. Say, isn’t California a two-party consent state for filming/taping people?

    Why, yes, yes it is!

    I doubt the smug little shit bothered to get anyone consent before taking his video. He may qualify for an exemption, but I’ve a hard time seeing why the abortion videos should trigger a criminal investigation, and not this.

    1. You know the answer to that.

    2. Is there anyway an interested third-party can get this bastard arrested?

    3. Three party. You consent to film, they consent to being filmed, the government consents to let the film be seen.

  51. I would not have been polite to the busybody bitch. I would probably have cussed her out using language that would curl Sgt Hartman’s toes..

    1. Busybody was a man, not a woman.

      1. Busybitch was a bitch, not a man.

      2. Man, woman, whatever. He’s still a little bitch.

  52. The best way to figure out how to approach these situations is from the Schroedinger’s Cat view. If you simply note that there is a child in the car, the child is both dead and alive. Best to not let it out and take the chance that it is dead.

  53. Just perused through the comments on FB.

    “Giang Nguyen She looks like a crackhead. Should’ve called the cops on her. Maybe she does drugs around the baby, who knows. If she’s that stupid to not understand the simple concept in that you can’t leave an infant unattended in the car for ANY reason, she most likely does worst shit around the house when no one is looking.”

    “Kassie Zubia Lol she immediately got all defensive because she KNOWS that shit is wrong… I would’ve called the cops right when she started talking to me like that! Poor baby.”

    Jesus Lord me, the stupidity of those assholes.

    No kidding she got defensive you idiot. She probably knows assholes like Carl Super Man will call the cops on her and she’ll lose her baby for something that’s really not that bad. ‘Poor baby’? Do you know if this person is a bad mother, Kassie? Presuming much?

    1. Giang Nguyen She looks like a crackhead

      Let’s just call in the swat team now for a 3am raid, you can’t be too sure. It’s for the chilluns. And if they accidentally burn up the kid with a grenade, well, sometimes you have to burn up the children to save them.

      Dude, it’s Derpbook. If you do not want to behold the sad state of stupidity that most of human kind are living in, don’t go to Derpbook. I NEVER go there, for any reason whatsover. I want to hold onto what little faith I have left in humans. Posting on HuffPo nearly ruined that for me, but I learned from it.

      1. I use Facebook to get emails about friends’ upcoming birthdays, since Mrs. DenverJ is longer around to do it for me.

    2. “Kassie Zubia Lol she immediately got all defensive because she KNOWS that shit is wrong… I would’ve called the cops right when she started talking to me like that! Poor baby.”

      I wonder what Kassie thinks about the abortion debate.

      1. AMAZING this cunt would call the cops because of how someone talks to her.

        I swear these people. And the scary thing is they’re everywhere.

        Look. On our way into Delware we stopped for gas. I drive a diesel car and had to find a diesel pump. So I got out in the middle of a jammed station while my wife took over the wheel. When I spotted one I motioned to her to come but she was too timid to go between two cars even though she had ample space. So I was waving (and smiling) signalling she had the space while making Italian hand gestures because my kid likes to laugh at that. So it became some sort of joke for the three of us.

        Well. Not for some bitch in a car with a Maryland license plate. She started shouting from the car something. And with my hearing I didn’t hear her so I walked up to her and asked what she was going on about. She said condescendingly, ‘If you would wait a couple of minutes we’d leave and your wife could pass.’ My response? I told her in so many words to mind her business and to go fuck a gopher.

        Even my wife thought she was a retard for implicating herself in a stupid scenario.

        1. I’m gonna put on my John hat for a second.

          This shit is going to keep on happening until we make it stop. They’re just going to keep on getting the warm fuzzies from the SJWs until they’re made to feel pain for their ninnying ways. There needs to be an organized resistance to this bullshit before it consumes the entirety of the culture.

          1. There doesn’t even need to be an organized resistance. These people are going to be their own undoing as they turn on each other. I’m gonna stock up on beer and popcorn.

          2. So, the answer is obvious and I’ve gotten this far through the thread and it’s only been hinted at:
            Every person on this thread needs to take five minutes to set up a fake Facebook account, and then go comment on his page and tell him what a douche he his.
            And there are probably some people here who could set up an auto spamming macro to keep posting it over and over from different accounts. Hell, I could do it, but don’t have the inclination. I’ll tell you how to, if you want.

        2. One of these days she will call the cops for something stupid like this, and when they show up and shoot her dogs and maybe a couple family members and beat the shit out of her, she’ll maybe realize how stupid she is. Well, probably not.

  54. Doesn’t matter, they don’t care, they’ve passed judgement and would see justice done by gun-toting thugs in uniform with CPS bureaucrats in tow.

    If you haven’t read it already, this is a decent primer on the subject of third-party or altruistic punishment. It’s a short read and helps contextualize the banal savagery of internet denizens sounding off against the b?tes noire du jour.

  55. I didn’t know it was possible to link to a Facebook page or object with in a page without having the reader go through Facebook authentication first.

  56. 6 years ago when my son was a toddler, I would routinely leave him in his car seat when he was sleeping rather than drag him out, screaming and crying, into Tom Thumb with me so I could get a soda and a can of dip. If it was hot out, I’d roll the windows down, and I can’t remember a time when I couldn’t see my car through the front window of the store. Rarely did this procedure take more than 2 or 3 minutes. Once time, I mentioned to my wife that I did this and she was aghast. Not because she worried about the baby, but because she feared me getting arrested for doing this. That baffled me – how on earth could something so clearly innocuous be cause for an arrest? Hell, my own mother left me in the car for brief store stops all the time in the early ’80s! I had no idea that this kind of stupidity was common.

    What possible purpose did that video serve, other than so Carl the Cunt could post it on Facebook to rile up an internet mob against this woman? If he was genuinely concerned about the child, recording the conversation rather than just talking to her added no benefit for the kid. He just wanted the whole world to see what a superior human being he, Carl the Cunt, is. Reminds me of Ricky Roma’s line from Glengarry Glen Ross – “Oh, what a big man you are! ‘Here, lemme give you a pack of gum. I’ll show ya how to chew it.'”

    1. Didn’t Cali pass a law making internet bullying a felony after that girl killed herself?

  57. OT:

    FBI: Middle Eastern Men Intimidating U.S. Military Families In Colorado & Wyoming

    In one case last May the wife of a military member was approached in front of her home by two Middle Eastern males. The men stated that she was the wife of a U.S. interrogator. When she denied their claims the men laughed. The two men left the area in a dark-colored, four-door sedan with two other Middle Eastern males in the vehicle.

    “The woman had observed the vehicle in the neighborhood on previous occasions,” the alert states.

    http://denver.cbslocal.com/201…..o-wyoming/

    1. She called the FBI. Once the FBI gets enough diversity that’s going to be a really bad idea.

    2. This only works because it’s a People’s Republic of Large Urbania.

      Try that shit in a smaller city/town where all the vet’s families are armed and got training from Lt. Mom or SGTMAJ Dad.

  58. “Kaitlyn’s Law, signed by Gov. Gray Davis in 2001, makes it illegal to leave a child unattended in a motor vehicle.”

    Let the Nanny sit in the car with the child. What? You don’t have domestics? Guess you just shouldn’t be breeding until you can properly afford a child.

    1. Does that law apply to orphans?

      Because when the orphans are detailing the Bentley, they are usually unattended. You just can’t beat those little hands when it comes to dusting and polishing, but damned if I’m going to stand out there and listen to their pitiful cries while they work.

      1. Are they your orphans, or someone else’s? Because if the law is really worded as given above, it might seem that Carl Superman Paz himself has run afoul of it, and posted the video proof.

      2. I am an Orphan! I was adopted at birth and may God soil upon you for not giving me the respect I deserve. Orphan is also a computer science term.

        In Python the following statements are valid:

        MyVariable = 1

        MyVaraible = 2

        One of those will become an orphan further down the program.

  59. Paz even parrots the line, “If you see something, say something”?a mantra that implies we are in such constant danger, we must be on the lookout at all times.

    No. First, that “mantra” does not tell you to try to see something, it says IF you see something say something.

    Second, a watchful populace is exactly how security should be handled in a free society, as opposed to having the state watching us. I suppose you would lay into Thomas Jefferson as an alarmist for his “mantra” about eternal vigilance being the price of freedom, too.

    1. What swill. That would be “See something, do something.”
      “See something, say something” implies that you are telling the state. It is not a substitute for surveillance, it is a part of the surveillance.

  60. Went to the Facebook page where this idiot posted his video. The comments left demonstrate that Facebook is either creating or attracting below-the-median IQ crowd – I’m amazed at the stupidity that people are willing to publicly demonstrate.

  61. I was criticized for leaving my twins “unattended” while I took their disabled grandmother to the bathroom. But here’s the thing – I left them in the care of a police officer! What kind of world are we living in where people think a police officer is not sufficient to protect children from kidnappers? And what kind of kidnapper would take out an armed cop, but be stopped by me? Granted, one might question cops, but what would be better than a cop? I mean if I can’t trust them, how can I trust anyone? (And disabled people do need to go to the bathroom, so what was I to do?)

    I wish I were making this up – a stranger literally said someone might kidnap my kids in front of a police officer who was watching them!

  62. First off Carl is my Little Cousin, and what all you fucktards dont realize is that 1.) he is 19 and 2.) none of you assclowns would have the balls to do what he did. Im sure a whole host of you would have handled it diffrently. But again he is 19 He did what he thought was best at the moment. Not everyone is a statistician on all things at all times. You show data that says one thing and someone can provide data that is contradictory to that. As for him doing this for fame or what not. If half of you knew the stuff this kid has gone through and had to deal with in his 19 years of life you would commend him on still having the ability to look out for others and maybe you would say “hey maybe this kid deserves some kudos”. But to call someone a cunt for telling a woman she is breaking a law that was obviously put into place to protect those who cant speak for themselves, makes you the biggest cunt of all.

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