Camille Paglia

Camille Paglia: Emma Sulkowicz's Feminism Is About 'Perpetually Lugging Around Bad Memories'

The noted cultural critic vents.

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The always provocative Camille Paglia recently sat down with Salon, and among other things she explained why she thinks Bill Clinton has a lot in common with Bill Cosby—and it's not just that their names are so similar. She explains:

So I say there is a big parallel between Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton–aside from their initials!  Young feminists need to understand that this abusive behavior by powerful men signifies their sense that female power is much bigger than they are!  These two people, Clinton and Cosby, are emotionally infantile–they're engaged in a war with female power.

She also described the Emma Sulkowicz rape story (read our coverage here) as a case of "mattress feminism:"

Perpetually lugging around your bad memories–never evolving or moving on!  It's like a parody of the worst aspects of that kind of grievance-oriented feminism. I called my feminism "Amazon feminism" or "street-smart feminism," where you remain vigilant, learn how to defend yourself, and take responsibility for the choices you make.  If something bad happens, you learn from it.  You become stronger and move on. But hauling a mattress around on campus?

For more punchy Paglia quotes, watch Nick Gillespie's recent interview with the noted cultural critic, which includes her epic takedown of Hillary Clinton. Original writeup is below.

For a full transcript, go here

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  1. “Camille Paglia recently sat down with Salon.

    I wish Salon would drag around Pagllia like a bad memory.

    If only Salon could remember what they were like when Paglia started there.

    Before…you know. Salon went full retard.

    1. The eventual state of all leftists will be full retard. It’s not a question of if, but of when.

      1. I’m not even sure I’d call Salon leftist anymore.

        It’s just kind of an authoritarian pile full of moral opprobrium and stage left pretensions.

        They’re really defending what they see as the status quo.

        1. I think they’re just doing self-parody now.

          1. Case in point: “Dear White America: Your toxic masculinity is killing you” linked on the same page.

            1. The worst thing about it is they’ve had at least three other articles by different people since the Roof shooting writing the same exact article. Blah, blah, blah, you’re trying to cop out talking about mental illness. Blah, blah, blah, Sean Hannity is making you too angry. Blah, blah, blah, you’re all freaked out because white people are soon to be the minority.

              And the 63% of mass shooters are white stat, which he gives without a source, has to be bullshit. Maybe white shooters have a better body count average, but Chicago has mass shootings every weekend. Are the Gangster Disciples letting white guys in their gang now? Cuz I’ll totally join if they are.

              1. I would expect it to be more than 63%. White people make up over 3/4 of the American population last I checked, so I would expect the percentage to be close to that (assuming mad shootings are referring to the more random acts associated with mental illness, and thus less associated with socioeconomic status).

                1. I know, but it still doesn’t sound right. If you read Chicago paper’s websites, and count mass shootings as 2 or more people being shot, that happens a lot more than the stuff like the movie theater shooting or Dylann Roof. If you’re just counting people who died, then maybe it’s true, since body counts are generally higher than some gang members shooting at crowds of people and mostly just wounding victims. But it should have been put as “mass murders.”

              2. White people make up more than 63% of the population too, so this would have white people as being underrepresented among mass-shooters, and I’m sure they include most hispanics as white; taking that into account it’s closer to 80% of the population.

                Also curious that the black people or hispanics being overrepresented among murderers, rapists, etc. doesn’t bespeak the toxicity of their cultures, nor does Arabs being over-represented among suicide bombers the toxicity of their culture, but somehow, white people being, at most, roughly proportionally represented among mass shooters (probably over-represented among serial killers though) does say something about ‘white culture?’ Does that mean white people being over-represented among great scientists says something good about us then?

                Do progressives still deny that they are basically just inverted caricatures of old-fashioned racists and sexists?

                1. Do progressives still deny that they are basically just inverted caricatures of old-fashioned racists and sexists?

                  Of course the do. They’re enlightened racists and sexists, not like those dumb-ass crackers.

                  1. I guess that betrays their lack of knowledge of intellectual history: there were always enlightened racists and sexists to justify the bigotries of the commoners (in this case, the average retarded lefty commented on Salon or Gawker). I’ve yet to see a modern ‘intellectual’ bigot a la Ezra Klein or whoever even try to convincingly distinguish himself from the likes of Otto Weineger or Houston Chamberlain.

                2. No, they only count half-whites like George Zimmerman and Ted Cruz as “white hispanic”‘s. They count hispanics are separate otherwise to give their “the hispanic population is so huge it’s going to lead to nothing but Democrat landslide elections!” Of course they’ve been saying that, since what, 2000? And if this was true, Texas would be deep blue by now and Wendy Davis would have handily beaten Greg Abbott. I don’t think they make much of a difference in California, they haven’t voted for Republicans outside of Schwarzenegger since, what, the last Nixon race?

              3. “And the 63% of mass shooters are white stat,…” Isn’t this just straight up racism? Actually, isn’t the whole article just straight up racism? Whatever happened to treat people as individuals?

              4. Isn’t it weird how your life is worth so much more if you’re killed in a mass shooting as opposed to an individual shooting?

    2. Didn’t they fire her for saying she liked Sarah Palin better than Hillary Clinton (as a person, not her politics) in 2012?

  2. Huh. Something worthwhile at Salon. Huh.

    1. Wasn’t there once a time when Salon was actually a respectable online journal with decent writers and content?

      1. Yes, youngun. Hard to believe, isn’t it? And Slate was once excellent too.

        1. Slate is an NPR partner… You telling me they were something other than an identity politics rag?

      2. I WORE AN ONION ON MAH BELT IT WAS THE STYLE AT THE TIME

      3. “Wasn’t there once a time when Salon was actually a respectable online journal with decent writers and content?”

        I’ve heard tales, but this was before I started paying attention to politics. I think I would have been about 12 at the time.

        1. Salon’s fall from grace isn’t the worst of its kind though. H.L. Mencken’s American Mercury was famously awesome in the 20’s and 30’s and Mencken was originally going to make Henry Hazlitt the next editor, in which case the magazine would have continued to be awesome. Hazlitt declined though and the magazine was bought by Russel Maguire, the owner of the Thompson Sub-machine Gun Company who was also a raging anti-Semite. By the time it went out of business in the ’80s, it was dedicated entirely to attacking Jews, women, and black people.

          So on the bright side, Salon hasn’t yet been taken over by white supremacists. So they got that going for them.

          1. Salon hasn’t yet been taken over by white supremacists.

            No, just white paternalists.

            1. Didn’t we learn that white supremacists and SJWs are two sides of the same coin?

          2. Interesting. In between the Hazlitt and Maguire eras, though, was the Spivak era, which created Meet the Press, Ellery Queen’s Mystery Magazine, and The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction.

            And back in the Smart Set era, Mencken created Black Mask magazine.

            1. Mencken’s contribution to American magazines is severely underrated. People remember him as a writer, but his importance as an editor was huge. He wrote the first English language book taking Nietsche seriously, was an early supporter of Ayn Rand, etc.

              1. I just read his memoir about his newspaper work, which was interesting but not great. I wish he had done one about his magazine work.

                Still, my favorite book of his is Happy Days, the autobiography of his childhood years. Fascinating and often hysterically funny:

                [?] F. Knapp’s Institute, a seminary that catered to the boys and girls of the Baltimore middle-class for more than sixty years. It was already beginning, in 1886, to feel the competition of the public schools, but Professor Knapp was not alarmed, for he firmly believed, and often predicted, that the public schools would collapse soon or late under the weight of their own inherent and incurable infamy. They were fit, he argued freely, only for dealing with boys too stupid, too lazy, too sassy or too dirty to be admitted to such academies as his own. As for sending girls to them, he simply could not imagine it; as well shame and degrade the poor angels by cutting off their pigtails or putting them into pants.

                1. The professor discoursed on the obscene subject very often, and with special heat whenever another boy left him to tackle the new and cheaper learning. He always hinted that he had really kicked the traitor out, and sometimes he followed with a homily on parents who neglect the upbringing of their children, and so bred forgers, footpads and assassins. The worst punishment he ever threatened against a boy who came to school with his hair uncombed, or supernormal shadows behind his ears, was expulsion with a certificate so unfavorable that only the pubic schools would take him. Every time there was a hanging at the city jail (which was pretty often in those days when psychiatrists still confined themselves to running madhouses), he referred to the departed, not by his crime but by his education, which was invariably in the public schools. No authentic graduate of F. Knapp’s Institute, he let it be known, had ever finished on the gallows.

          3. Salon hasn’t yet been taken over by white supremacists

            (late to the party, but it was linked from Facebook just now, so…)

            I find a lot of white supremacy in prog ideology. We privileged whites from the suburbs need to tell all them poor brown folk the best way to live. Very colonialist/white man’s burden.

      4. Look up an old (late 90s) 3-part Salon article, “Women’s Ways of Bullying”.

  3. learn how to defend yourself, and take responsibility for the choices you make.

    Self-defense and exhibiting personal responsibility are sexist. Besides, there’s no need for self-defense. Just teach men not to rape!

    //sarc

    1. FINAL EXAM

      Rape is (a) wrong (b) totally cool (c) sometimes good based on the length of the woman’s skirt.

      I got 50% on that one!

      1. Rape is double bad when perpetrated by a vile conservative and not bad at all when it helps a noble progressive servant of the people.

        1. That’s what I can’t figure out about the Cosby thing – all these white wimmenz claiming a tricky colored fella conned them out of the pussy, and nobody’s outraged at the stereotypical racism involved there? (Just for the record, I suspect Cosby used his fame and money and a little drugs and alcohol to convince a lot of women to have sex with him the same way about 99.9% of the male population did in the ’70’s and 80’s and it’s only now that what was perfectly normal in the disco era is seen as rape. Was Cosby pretty slimy to cheat on his wife with so many less-than-eager sexual partners? Sure. Was it rape-rape? I have my doubts.)
          .
          But, of course, the grievance industry is built on remaining a perpetual infant and we know it takes a village, so all these whiny babies are simply taking advantage of the fact that so many people think the village has a responsibility to actually care for the babies, feeding them and changing their diapers and kissing their little boo-boos, rather than just sticking the stupid bastards out in the woods and letting the wolves have at ’em like I would do.

          1. Was Cosby pretty slimy to cheat on his wife with so many less-than-eager sexual partners?

            We’re going to be keeping a close eye on our drinks when you’re around, pal.

            1. Seriously, what does “less-than-eager” mean?

              1. Handys, but only with the non-dominant hand.

          2. There are plenty of men in Hollywood and D.C. who are just as predatory as Bill Cosby, and many who are worse. The others, however, didn’t tell young black people they needed to get off their butts and make something of themselves. Nor did they invent a politically incorrect icon like Cliff Huxtable.

            Therefore they don’t have to be erased.

            1. This is a large part of it.

            2. Nah I don’t think that’s it.

            3. Nah I don’t think that’s it.

          3. The left has hated Bill Cosby since he gave the “Pound Cake” speech in 2004 (unfortunately not reading the lyrics to the Van Halen song, a speech chiding parents for allowing their kids to grow up to commit crime by not being involved in their child’s life.)

  4. As I battled insomnia in the wee hours last night, I had a sudden Nostradamus-like prediction. Mattress Girl and Pajama Boy (the man-child from Obamacare ads) will mate one of these days. This will herald the beginning of Ragnarok.

    1. “… and thusly was born the race of orcs, twisted and fallen, of foulest terror.”

    2. Sometimes I’ll watch battle scenes from HBO’s ‘Band of Brothers’, which depicts young men jumping out of airplanes and kicking Nazi ass in the most horrible conditions.

      Then I read news about people like Pajama Boy being the new face of American masculinity. Jesus wept.

      1. I was watching a movie the other night, “16 Blocks”. In one scene, one cop is behind a bar pouring himself a whisky, another walks in, they have a brief exchange:

        Cop 1: *pouring a Jameson* hey Frank
        Cop 2: hey Jack, you ok?

        In a few short years, that same exchange would be:

        Cop 1: *making himself an appletini* hey Skylar
        Cop 2: hey mason. You feel like you’re in a safe space?

    3. The Key Master and Gatekeeper will trigger the coming of Gozer.

  5. I wish she’d mentioned armed self-defense specifically and caused the interviewer’s head to explode.

  6. She says all of these sensible things. But *loves* Bernie Sanders (which actually makes some kind of sense given her attitudes toward “populism”) and donated to/is actively supporting the O’Malley campaign. O’Malley. I keep forgetting that he’s running. I think maybe he does too. She, apparently, has not.

    1. I was into O’Malley until he said that all lives matter.

      1. God’s balls, not another double-post.

    2. I was into O’Malley until he said that all lives matter.

      1. “Microbes are (tiny) people too!”

        “Save the Plankton — Stop the Whales!”

    3. It pretty much renders everything she just said as moot.

      What’s that? It’s all just you jerking us off with your mouth? Because your actions tell me you aren’t really serious.

      1. I mean, it’s the Progressive left’s schtick. Good intentions managed by central planners and enforced at gun point. And then they’re generally shocked that it doesn’t work out. Each and every time.

      2. So when someones politics disagrees with ours that invalidates everything they have to say.

        Nevermind how wrong this is for a moment. Can you maybe see how this is the wrong message for a group as firmly ensconced in the minority as libertarians? This exact same argument is used to discredit libertarian contributions in economics, LEO reform amd elsewhere.

  7. Camile Paglia is a gender traitor tool of the patriarchy.

    / SJW

  8. “We hoped he would inaugurate an era of racial harmony.”

    FFW 5 years. “We hoped Bernie would inaugurate an era of economic harmony.”

    1. The 5 year plan is always on target.

    2. Won’t be harmonic until everybody is harmoniously waiting in the same line for toilet paper.

    3. “We hoped he would inaugurate an era of racial harmony.”

      Ahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  9. Here’s my thoughts on this story. Why is it that Reason thinks we have to side with or at least have empathy for the ‘good’ leftists. Our current retarded divider in chief and his band of merry fools sided with the good terrorists. Go ask someone living in Libya how that worked out.

    1. I do not think they are saying we should side with her, I think they find her to be interesting (to me she is because she is so different from the norm), and they hope that we would find her interesting as well. I also think she used to write here in some capacity.

    2. Because otherwise the cool kids will never invite any Reason staff to their parties.

      1. UHAULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS

        1. Where did the Uhaul thing come from?

          I’ve learned a lot of stuff from reading the sides of Uhaul trucks.

          Fun fact: the mini murals are officially called SuperGraphics:

          http://www.uhaul.com/Articles/…..erGraphics

          1. The only U-Haul meme I am aware of involves lesbians and a second date.

            1. Go on…

              1. Q: What does a lesbian bring to a second date?

                A: A U-Haul.

                1. Come on. You could at least get it right.

                  Q) What does a lesbian bring to a first date?

                  A) A tooth brush.

                  Q) What does a lesbian bring to a second date?

                  A) A U-Haul.

                  Q) What does Warty bring to a second date?

                  A) What second date?

        2. At least I’m smart enough not to let a gay cannibal give me a blowjob.

    3. Is there really a problem with agreeing with certain portions of an individual’s personal platform, even if the rest of it is dog shit?

      1. You mean, like, the Confederacy? Yes.

        -Bocialist

    4. Why is it that Reason thinks we have to side with or at least have empathy for the ‘good’ leftists.

      Meh. There is something to be said for the traditional leftist. I may not agree with them, but I could at least respect them enough to have a rational debate. The progs (and I distinguish between progressives and liberals) today are simply batshit crazy and incapable of rational/critical thought. I can’t take anything they say seriously let alone find it within me to generate a drop of respect.

      So I kinda think it’s in our best interest to reward good better behavior.

      1. Case in point: I heard someone talking in a bar about Cecil the Lion and how evil hunters are wrecking the planet, etc. I said the fact that people can pay money to hunt lions is the very reason why there are lions to hunt. I pointed to my french fries and said that the fact that people eat potatoes is exactly the reason why potatoes are plentiful. When a plant or animal is valuable, there is a reason to preserve them.

        She said she didn’t get the logic of killing animals to preserve them. I asked her what she thought about cows, pigs, and chickens.

        Then she goes off on a rant about how the planet is dying and everyone is getting cancer from GMOs, bras, and tight pants. Something about tight clothing hurting lymph nodes or whatever. I said cancer rates have been going down for 40 years and no one has gotten cancer from GMOs. She said people are destroying the planet and we should all go our own food on little plots of land. I said there are more people than ever living longer than ever. She said that’s the problem.

        I guess the conversation about cancer got her so stressed out she had to step out for a smoke. But the cigarettes were all natural American Spirits, so at least no terrible coporationy chemicals to worry about.

        I was tempted to say that if she’s worried about cancer, she should worry more about tobacco than GMOs.

        1. I think most leftists are malcontented luddites who can’t see the forest for the parking lot that makes it possible for them to enjoy it. The earth is getting noticeably greener because of the CO2 increase but they want to ban a naturally occurring substance because Industry. They will never be content and will always want to ban new ideas and technologies.

          1. “They will never be content and will always want to ban new ideas and technologies.”

            Not “ban” so much as *control*

            regulashun. money. power.

            the endless whining gives them reins to yank industry around and cough up money for their re-elections. See= the financial services industry

          2. There’s a simpler explanation: most people are idiots.

            1. It’s the belief that most people are idiots that is the problem. I was listening to a rare semi-libertarian radio show and the guest was an Uber driver who explained the problems with regulatory capture. However, she was also in favor of child seatbelt laws because “there are a lot of idiots out there who don’t care about children” or something.

              Yeah, yeah, yeah. Won’t somebody please think of the children?

              1. It’s idiots all the way down.

                But, first, let’s stop off at the Control the Other station. Some things are too important to be left to choice. Actually, all of them are.

        2. She could save everyone a lot of trouble and help the planet by killing herself.

        3. “When a plant or animal is valuable, there is a reason to preserve them.”

          You mean there is reason to domesticate them? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose? If a hunter wants to kill domesticated animals, there are plenty of chickens, pigs and cows already that die just the same as lions do when shot. Hunters want undomesticated animals, unpreserved, wild and free.

          1. This is why no one takes you seriously.

            1. Clearly, the distinction between wild animals and domesticated animals is not something the serious person takes seriously.

              1. Talking to you is like talking to a six year old. Animals can be wild and preserved. Pretty sure the lion Cecil was killed in a national park: i.e., a place where animals habitats are preserved. If people are willing to pay large sums of money to hunt animals in their habitats, it behooves someone to preserve and cultivate said animal’s habitat and the animal itself, for profit.

                1. “Talking to you is like talking to a six year old.”

                  You seem to disagree with me. The more effort put in to preserve an animal and its habitat, the less wild the animal will be. Granted, many hunters derive pleasure from these canned hunts of yours, yet I find them crass and distasteful.

                  1. If I cordon off a big swath of forest, the animals that live there don’t become less wild because of it. In most cases the idea is to release animals into the wild rather than keep them all in zoos or something. Are you now taking issue with humans preserving animal species? Or only humans preserving animal species when it’s profitable? I speculate the hunting-created demand for animals may lead to more preservation of said animal; you take issue with preservation; so what then is your position? We shouldn’t hunt them or preserve them? Just let them die? Just seeking clarification.

                    I find tattoos crass and distasteful, but a bunch of people seem to be into them, and so now there are tattoo parlors all over the fucking place, and no shortage of ink. Demand for a good or service can – what a shocker – lead to an increase in the generation of the factors of production of that good; in this case, the service is the hunt, and one of the factors is animals.

                    1. “If I cordon off a big swath of forest, the animals that live there don’t become less wild because of it.”

                      I disagree. I believe that animals which are fenced in are less wild than animals which are free to roam. I also suspect that the more profitable your canned hunt facility is, the less wild the targets will be.

                      “so what then is your position?”

                      Domesticating lions so they can be shot is a solution that satisfies only a very few people.

                    2. Christ, you are a fucking moron.

                    3. “Christ, you are a fucking moron.”

                      No need to be so formal. Just plain old Jesus is fine.

        4. I first saw this back in college in the ’70s: some housemates who were into “eating natural” for their health, but smoked. And another couple who wanted to save the Earth, but she packed her husband’s lunch in a fresh paper bag every time. Bought packs of new ones at the grocery store.

        5. You must hang out in the wrong bars, my friend.

      2. Meh. There is something to be said for the traditional leftist. I may not agree with them, but I could at least respect them enough to have a rational debate.

        This is spot on. In university I experienced two major different kinds of leftists: older, more traditional Marxists that at least tried to apply an ideological framework consistently and typically younger, very emotional leftists. I might totally disagree with the former, but I was able to talk and easily form friendships with them. Dialog’s important.

        You can make the argument that it’s better to have opponents that are ideologically nuts but, as the iconoclastic historical illiteracy above indicates, it might cause all kinds of insanity that Paglia and her ilk have the decency to argue against.

        1. Older leftists were at least, on the surface, on board with negative rights, which we used to call civil liberties. They at least understood that negative rights only directly affected the person exercising those rights and that the state was something to be suspicious of at all times. They understood that their enemies could use the same power against them.

          Now that most of them are dead, their successors can get on the with job of enforcing positive rights on everyone, whether they like it or not. GIMMEEGIMMEEGIMMEE.

        2. Back when I was in school I read The Nation and Mother Jones as well as National Review and The American Spectator (and Reason and The Freeman – by some miracle a couple of economics profs were libertarian and donated subscriptions to the library) and I could see that they were making logical arguments even if I disagreed with them because I rejected their premises.
          .
          I think the problem is the internet – you used to only hear the voices the gatekeepers thought worthy of hearing whereas now any jackass with a modem can bray just as loudly as the next. The quality opinions are still out there but you gotta sort through the trash to find them. Consider that in the last month I’ve probably read more words written by Bo Cara than words written by George Will – once upon a time I would only have been exposed to one of those two. (Note: I am in no way arguing that the internet and the demise of the gatekeeper is a bad thing, I’m just saying that it’s a mixed blessing. I now have access to a thousand George Wills but that access allows in a million Bo Caras.)

          1. I’m just saying that it’s a mixed blessing. I now have access to a thousand George Wills but that access allows in a million Bo Caras.

            It’s a sword of infinitely horrifying edges.

            OTOH, the Internet allowed Warty and me to insult and taunt Nazis yesterday. That was a good day. We wouldn’t have been able to do that otherwise.

          2. I think the problem is the internet – you used to only hear the voices the gatekeepers thought worthy of hearing whereas now any jackass with a modem can bray just as loudly as the next.

            I don’t think this can all be laid at the internet’s feet, although it certainly exacerbates the problem, which is generational. The Boomers were reflexively anti-authoritarian and ended up dismantling a civic religion centered around the concept of shared sacrifices, culture, and values that was distinctively American. They were/are instinctively political and now that they’re beginning to die off in larger numbers, are now wondering why it’s so hard to achieve political consensus without a hint of self-awareness about their responsibility for that happening.

            Milennials are Boomer partisanism taken to its extreme. The only differences are that they use social media rather than mass protest to achieve their aims, and it’s an activism that’s thoroughly narcissistic. As Gen-Xers get older, they’re simply showing how culturally weak they are by floating along with whatever the political and social consensus is without a hint of real principle.

            1. I think the Gen X’ers were just Millennials without social media to lazily protest. Remember Pearl Jam had a song about white guilt in 1993, and the Beastie Boys were goddamn insufferable after they lost their sense of humor.

              1. Come on, now. To the 5 Boroughs was admittedly a shit album, but they brought it back with Hot Sauce Committee, Part II.

      3. ” I distinguish between progressives and liberals”

        Same here. I’ve actually been able to make headway when talking to liberals. It’s possible to find common ground with them. Progressives, on the other hand, are too broken to have a healthy conversation. Their belief system is always based on an ulterior motive: narcissism, bitterness, social status, or what have you. So everything they say is in service of that and any facts or truth is beside the point to them.

        1. “…any facts or truth is beside the point to them.”

          Read Lakoff’s ‘The Little Blue Book’. He makes it very clear that truth is irrelevant when pushing the progressive agenda.

          1. Lakoff is basically a real life O’Brien.

        2. Even this distinction is not sufficient. “Liberal” should only be used to refer to classical liberals. The distinction among progressives is one of old leftists and new leftists. Or perhaps we could say modern vs.post-modern leftists, just to sound urbane.

        3. Yeah, but liberals are just going to vote with whatever’s popular (and that’s going to be whoever millennials get behind, since they’re going to be a huge bloc of voters in 2016. I think Hillary is going to beat Sanders (obviously) since she’s transformed herself into Obamaette. But there’s never going to be a Bill Clinton moderate Democrat again unless millennials mellow with age. And certainly no Republican is getting their vote besides Rand Paul. Obama voters aren’t going to vote for Trump, Walker, Jeb or Cruz. If they were to win, it’ll be because millennials think Hillary is a phony and stay home, leading to white people older than 30 deciding the vote.

    5. Hyperion, libertarians more than most should look kindly on anyone who breaks down the clich?d boundaries between “left” and “right.”

  10. Much lauded CEO who jacked up minimum salary at his company has fallen on hard times

    Just three months ago, Dan Price was a progressive hero. To much fanfare, Price, CEO of Seattle-based Gravity Payments, announced he was raising the minimum salary for employees of his company to $70,000, and taking a $930,000 pay cut himself to help pay for his new minimum wage. Three months later, the experiment does not go well.

    Price has had to rent out his own house to help cover his bills. In addition, the New York Times reports Gravity lost two of its most valuable employees whose departure was “spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises.”

    Who could have seen that coming?

    1. if only there was a word for that sense you get when someone’s photo-op activity does not go according to plan.

      1. You know who else have words for things…?

        1. I got nothing.

        2. George Lakoff?

          1. And his ex-wife Robin Lakoff?

      2. Schadenfreude?

    2. HAHAHAHA!

      It’s The Twentieth Century Motor Company.

      Economic reality…

      …how does it work?

      Fucking morons!

      1. It’s a tragedy that this guy wrecked his life, shat upon his brother, ruined his company along with the jobs of his employees to execute a plan that any first year business major could have told him, in advance, would lead to ruin.

        But…MAGIC!

        1. If only the stockholders didn’t demand returns on their money!

        2. I’d say anyone with half a brain could have predicted what would happen. You’d have to be an idiot to think you could double the pay of the least experienced without pissing off the people who had been there for years.

        3. Well Francisco, when your view of the world and ideas about how things work are wrong, any policy you formulate and implement is simply not going to work.

          What would be most interesting is to talk to the guy and see if he has any idea why that happened. I am guessing, like Obumbles, he will blame it on ‘bad luck’.

          1. Wreckers. Wreckers, the Kochs, lack of common-sense gun legislation, and straight white male privilege.

            1. The power, it goes to my head.

    3. …Gravity lost two of its most valuable employees whose departure was “spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises.

      This is what happens with egalitarianism. If you don’t differentiate between freeloaders and high-performers, you get all freeloaders.

      1. and this is what the “$15 per hour” movement will yield. When you double the wage of those at minimum – and really, does anyone actually get paid that? All my kids made more at those type jobs – you have to factor those who are between the current minimum and the new standard.

        If you tell the folks who were at $9 or $12 that they’re now at $15 with everyone else, don’t be shocked when they tell you to fuck off.

        1. And here’s the worst part: there are lots of jobs that require some college (a certificate) that only pay $10 – $15 per hour: pharmacy technician, specimen handler, medical assistant, etc. If the minimum wage is jacked up to $15, these people are going to wonder why they’re doing so much work when they can just go work at McDonalds and get the same wage. I’ve worked at McDonalds before, and it’s fucking easy*.

          What will happen then is these people with college certificates and degrees will start applying to minimum wage jobs, and the employers will naturally favor them, since they have education and experience. Then the “marginal” employees (teens looking for a first job, ex-cons trying to get their lives back together, etc.) will find themselves hard pressed to compete with college grads.

          * It’s kind of hectic during the “rush” periods, but it’s a virtually zero-stress job. If anyone thinks it’s an extremely hard job, go be a factory supervisor for a while, THEN try and tell me that dipping fries in oil is the hardest job in the world.

          1. What will happen then is these people with college certificates and degrees will start applying to minimum wage jobs, and the employers will naturally favor them, since they have education and experience.

            This has been going on for decades. Only now it will just get worse.

            1. And of course that was part of the point of the minimum wage. It was a racist, sexist, eugenics plot. By decreeing a “white man’s wage,” employers would favor whites over blacks, the healthy over the disabled, and men over women. So the undesirables would be discouraged from having children, and white women would be encouraged to stay home and have babies.

        2. I have heard reports, which I am too lazy to look up, that many in places with 15/hr mandated minimum wages are requesting fewer hours so that they can continue collecting their welfare.

          1. OK, so I am not accused of being a lazy shit, not that I am not, but here:

            http://www.bizpacreview.com/20…..are-228745

    4. “Gravity Payments”

      You can’t make this stuff up. Sounds like an Ayn Rand crony capitalist company.

  11. OT: A story about a man freed from death row

    A bit from the story about states and compensating exonerated people:

    Under a provision of Florida’s Victims of Wrongful Incarceration Compensation Act known as the “clean hands” provision, Penalver is ineligible for monetary compensation from the state because of two prior nonviolent felonies unrelated to the triple slayings he was accused of.

    “Just because I had prior felonies in the past that shouldn’t mean I can’t be compensated for what was done to me,” he said. “It’s hard getting back on your feet; anything would help.”

    …..

    Advocates who study reintegration say it’s the state’s way of “limiting” its responsibility for its own mistake.

    “The state does not like to admit its fault,” said University of North Carolina-Greensboro professor Saundra Westervelt, author of “Life After Death Row: Exonerees’ Search for Community and Identity.”

    I don’t see how his prior felonies have anything to do with his wrongful conviction or his attempt to get compensation for his wrongful conviction.

    1. It’s part of the “Fuck you, that’s why” section of the law.

  12. OT: Ronda Rousey is still not a do-nothing bitch.

    1. But would you do her?

    2. I can’t decide if I think she’s hot or if she scares the ever-living sit out of me.

      1. Can I get get an edit button, por favor?

        1. Rich and poor alike, everyone enjoys a good sit.

      2. These are mutually exclusive?

  13. OT: More Obama and EPA mischief. I’m discontinuing all contributions to Reason until number of EPA dissolution articles equal Trump pieces.

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-un…..itics.html

    1. … Obama, in a video posted to Facebook, said the limits were backed up by decades of data and facts showing that without tough action, the world will face more extreme weather and escalating health problems like asthma.

      Now CO2 causes asthma? How have we survived all these tens of thousands of years breathing this deadly gas? How liberating it is that the Left has saved us with their knowledge.

      1. I also didn’t realize there were health problems associated with escalators.

        1. There most certainly are health problems associated with escalators. Old people with weak hearts and bad joints or younger people with all sorts of health problems that limit their mobility will suffer greatly without them.

          Of course progs see that as a plus as those people need to be culled from the herd anyway. Obumblecare will take care of that.

  14. I’m finally reading the article.

    1. Oh shit, I must have fucked up a tag.

      But we’re living in a different time right now, and young women have absolutely no memory of Bill Clinton. It’s like ancient history for them; there’s no reservoir of accumulated good will

      Sure, young women are too young to remember the Clinton years, but certainly they’ve read about the Clinton years in history class. Right? Right? Hey, stop laughing!

    2. And then in the case of Monica Lewinsky?I mean, the failure on the part of Gloria Steinem and company to protect her was an absolute disgrace in feminist history! What bigger power differential could there be than between the president of the United States and this poor innocent girl? Not only an intern but clearly a girl who had a kind of pleading, open look to her?somebody who was looking for a father figure.

      I doubt Lewinsky was innocent at all. She might have had Daddy issues, but I think she knew exactly what she was doing.

      1. Ever see a picture of Bill Clinton’s mom when she was younger? Does she resemble anyone you can think of? I think Bill has issues.

        1. That’s the first time I’ve seen a picture of his mother. Whoa.

          1. There are others in which she doesn’t have as much of a resemblance to Monica, but in that one the resemblance is startling, is it not?

    3. I’ve stopped reading the Paglia article because I got distracted by this article linked in the sidebar

      On “Outnumbered” Thursday afternoon, “the ladies” discussed a Glamour article that the magazine retracted after it came under fire for being outdated and misogynistic.

      Co-host Andrea Tantaros, to the surprise of absolutely no one who regularly watches “Outnumbered,” disagreed with the magazine’s decision to retract the article, saying that it included a number of genuinely good ideas. “After you engage in a little horizontal hula,” she said, “make him a sandwich. That’s not called the 1950s! That’s called kindness!”

      “Frankly,” Tantaros said, “I think women should do more than that.” She moved on to the other suggestions, which included providing men with alcohol as they exit the shower and occasionally answering the door in lingerie.

      Yes, yes, I know Andrea Tantaros has a boyfriend.

      1. “Finding real, satisfying romance in 2015 essentially comes down to one thing: showing someone who you are, celebrating who he or she is, and respecting each other.”
        Yeah, brilliant. No need for any new articles. Glamour gone.

  15. I think we are really cheating ourselves by not noting that there are nearly 2,000 comments at the Salon piece, and all of them whining about the fact that Bill Clinton was just *super sexy*, and how no innocent woman could resist him…. and that Bill Cosby is totes a drug-rapist, which is so different i can’t even

    i scrolled through 300 comments or so and this seems to be the primary bitch

    This seemed to encapsulate a lot of it


    Stonk Bimb
    4 days ago

    CAMILLE PAGLIA CHECKLIST:

    — Slamming a Clinton: Check

    — Ripping on academia: Check

    — Saying modern feminists are fools: Check

    — Decrying PC culture: Check

    — Touting her book, “Sexual Personae:” Check

    — Getting linked on Drudge: Check

    — Declaring herself the arbiter of true female sexuality and its expression: Check

    COMING SOON:

    — Applauding the showmanship of Trump

    — Referring to herself as a Democrat while flogging right-wing causes

    — Lauding the populist charisma of Limbaugh or some other blowhard

    — Referencing Madonna (pro or con)

    — Talking up her current favorite musicians (probably a Brazilian diva)

    NOT COMING SOON:

    — Admitting her steadfast, mindless denial of global warming destroyed her credibility as an intellectual of any merit

    1. Progs seem fond of this “evil checklist” style of comment. I’ve seen it many times. My guess is that they like to think they are diagnosing their opponents as insane.

      1. Could be, but there are phrases and claims that I use as a sort of check list:
        “Banksters” used non-ironically? Done.
        Use “mother earth” n-i? Forget it.
        Claim that M/W is a net gain? Gone.
        There’s others.

    2. Declaring herself the arbiter of true female sexuality and its expression: Check

      I mean, I don’t expect self awareness, but isn’t this pretty much every ‘mainstream’ feminist ever?

      Admitting her steadfast, mindless denial of global warming destroyed her credibility as an intellectual of any merit

      She’s a fucking cultural critic and an Arts professor, what does global warming have anything to do with her actual academic credentials? Which we’re supposed to take very seriously, like a journalism degree.

      1. Meanwhile, I will bet you just about anyone you hear or read complaining that any person questioning AGW is a moron, could not tell you the chemical composition of methane.

        1. What does AGW have to do with illicit drug labs?

          1. Less people get colds, therefore pharmacists stock less pseudo, therefore it’s harder to get precursors. Really do I have to explain everthing?

        2. During my drive home a few months ago, I heard Thom Hartmann say that when methane breaks down in the atmosphere, it forms six CO2 molecules. I almost ran off the road, I was laughing so hard.

          1. Wow, and all of us didn’t think Progs believed in God. That’s a trick as good as any of the loaves and fishes miracles.

    3. “her steadfast, mindless denial of global warming destroyed her credibility as an intellectual of any merit”

      HAHAHAHAHA I don’t think I’ve ever heard her form on opinion on this topic but here it is raised to the level of OMG NO SHE DIDN’T!!1!

  16. Willie Brown writes what’s usually a gossip column in the Sunday paper, but covered a fed boondoggle quite well today. It’s a bit of legerdemain that was unfamiliar to me.
    In the ’60s. the feds got out of the ‘low-income-housing’ racket, he says because they were bad at it. Well, I have a feeling it was another reason, since the feds are bad at most everything.
    Anyhow, they only “got out” in the most crooked manner. They still funded L-I-H, but through third parties. Since they were largely in black ‘hoods, the churches were the obvious ‘contractors’, but separation, doncha know.
    So the churches (at the behest of the feds) set up shell ‘non-profits’ to launder the money (he doesn’t use that term), and they built L-I-H, which was populated by those who qualified for and got Section 8 assistance; your tax dollars built the units and then your tax dollars paid people to live there. Nice, right?
    Well, in the 50+ years, the ‘non-profits’ have turned into bureaucracies separate from the churches, the mortgages are now beginning to be paid off, and those non-profits are looking at evicting the tenants and selling to developers.
    Of course, the people who lived there for cheap all these years have been rat-holing the savings and are ready to buy on their owmn, right? I mean, that’s what people with a helping hand, right?
    Let the law-suits begin, and I’m sure our tax dollars will pay for both sides, one way or the other.

    1. Corrected:
      Of course, the people who lived there for cheap all these years have been rat-holing the savings and are ready to buy on their own, right? I mean, that’s what people with a helping hand do, right?
      Let the law-suits begin, and I’m sure our tax dollars will pay for both sides, one way or the other.

      1. I remember a sob story in the Chronicle about some single mother with one child in her two-bedroom (or was it three?) unit for which she paid $80 a month, complaining about the run-down nature of the joint. Whenever I drive by those units, I see cars with $1000 worth of rims on them.

        1. “I see cars with $1000 worth of rims on them.”

          Check again. You can’t touch even a single jive-ass rim for 1K.

    2. “In the ’60s. the feds got out of the ‘low-income-housing’ racket, he says because they were bad at it. “

      Not at all.

      I don’t mean to suggest your summary of that particular scandal is incorrect, just that the Feds never got out of the Ghetto real-estate game, and amped it up all the way through the early 1990s, when the HUD director resigned, confessing that it was a gigantic fucking mess.

      http://www.nytimes.com/1986/02…..-70-s.html

      “in the 70’s and 80’s, real-estate operators used payoffs, ruses and fraudulent statements to secure inflated amounts of F.H.A. mortgage insurance for hundreds of clients, overwhelmingly lower-income members of minority groups who stood little chance of meeting mortgage payments on their often dilapidated houses. In many cases, prosecutors charged, the ”clients” were fictitious.

      The results have been huge numbers of defaults that have left the real-estate operators collecting millions of dollars in insurance payments from the Federal Government, while hundreds, if not thousands, of families have lost their dreams of owning homes, as their houses, in already hard-pressed neighborhoods, fell vacant. “”

  17. “I called my feminism “Amazon feminism” or “street-smart feminism,” where you remain vigilant, learn how to defend yourself, and take responsibility for the choices you make.”

    That seems to be good advice, but it misconstrues Emma’s purpose. Emma wasn’t about learning how to defend herself, but gaining publicity for a political cause. The mattress stunt worked very well there, as evidenced by Paglia’s knowledge of it and her need to comment on it. Same goes for Reason magazine. It seems a week doesn’t go by without an article that doesn’t reference Emma and her mattress.

    Had Emma followed Paglia’s advice, Reason readers would never have heard of her. That’s not the outcome a publicist and provocateur is aiming for.

    1. Wow, so now *everyone* knows she’s a gigantic whiny douchebag, just like you?

      Success!

      1. “Wow, so now *everyone* knows she’s a gigantic whiny douchebag, just like you?”

        Just like me, except that everyone can’t stop talking about her. So, yes success. Unless you believe that a publicist and provocateur has something else in mind.

        1. “everyone can’t stop talking about her.”

          Yes they can, and they largely have except in the rare incident of making derogatory references to her antics.

          At best she gets a “did you hear she made a porn”? now.

          You could equally suggest John Wayne Bobbitt is a “celebrity”.

          1. “John Wayne Bobbitt”

            You think this guy was a publicist and provocateur? Maybe you are right. Judging by mentions in Reason, you have to admit he’s not as successful as Emma.

            “Yes they can..”

            Strange claim for you to make. You’ve commented on her several times already today, and claimed to have read hundreds of comments regarding her at Salon.com. Your way of ignoring her seems to be failing you. Admit it, you are simply no match for her powers as a publicist.

            1. Publicity without a product is just a bad reputation.

              And no, i’m not commenting about her, and i’m not reading about her. Paglia was just making fun of her. Blame paglia if you want.

              I was making fun of butthurt salon readers over their insistence that Bill Clinton was a victim.

              Your pretentious illiteracy is always a hoot

              1. “Publicity without a product is just a bad reputation.”

                Emma’s product is her politics. You’ve devoted so much of your time and effort following her career and you haven’t figured that out yet?

                “Blame paglia if you want”

                Let’s do that. It’s all Paglia’s fault now. Not Salon’s, not Reason’s, not yours or mine.

                1. mtrueman|5.4.15 @ 12:59AM|#
                  “[?] What you haven’t fathomed is that I’m so morally depraved that my deserved rep here doesn’t bother me or interest me in the least. I post for myself; your feelings about me are of no concern.”

                  See, he only posts here to see his name in print. Lies, pointless crap, misdirection, just plain stupidity? Doesn’t matter one bit; it’s all the same to trueman.

                    1. “See, he only posts here to see his name in print. Lies, pointless crap, misdirection, just plain stupidity? Doesn’t matter one bit; it’s all the same to trueman.”

        2. I guess Jack the Ripper did great killing all those hookers, I mean now everyone’s heard of him.

          Try rereading your posts from time to time. Everytime the discussion runs around to someone you clearly sympathize with ideologically, ironically, you take on the persona of a shameless sociopathic narcissist on their behalf, Which maybe she is, who knows, but I can’t but be amused by the fact that a morally indignant self-righteous leftist will applaud a person for shameless self-promotion, slander, and hysteria peddling in so far as it’s a good way to get publicity. You should probably get yourself checked for schizophrenic.

          1. *schizophrenia.

          2. “You should probably get yourself checked for schizophrenic.”

            I am Paglia.

          3. MarkLastname|8.2.15 @ 6:43PM|#
            “…You should probably get yourself checked for schizophrenic.”

            Narcissism; so long as he sees his name on the screen.
            Note his truly idiotic reply to you, intending, I suppose, some profound meaning but ending up as kindergarten recess banter.

  18. Both Bill’s seem to have a profound sense of entitlement when it comes to sex outside of marriage.

  19. Two things remain unclear, her understanding of equal opportunity and of responsibility.

    She barely detailed anything about the first. Preferences for feminine women mean fewer and different opportunities for masculine women. Is that supposed to be corrected? In comparison: what about preferences for different kinds of music (the respective musicians) — any desired things at all, given limited resources? She apparently makes some exception for differences based in biology (inherent, evolved differences/predispositions). What about preferences (and corresponding opportunities) that are not inherently influenced by biology?

    Regarding the second, responsibility, she wants universities to refrain from intervention. She explicitly leaves the police to intervene. Which makes this a procedural, not so much a material statement. She seems to find that Lewinski was not responsible. Does the power differential alone suffice?

  20. I don’t feel like I’ve been thoroughly surveilled today. Easy enough to fix. Just leave a comment on Reason dot com. …There, that’s better. Now I’m fully surveilled.

  21. Reason dot com in less than willing partnership with the prog-fascist government – attention whoring has never been so easy!!

  22. Anyone who compares Monica Lewinsky to Cosby’s rape victims is infantalizing adult women. Monica is not a victim because she *chose* to have sexual relations with the president. In fact, the only “wrong” the president committed was cheating on his wife. This is modern feminism, taking away the notion of female responsibility. A lot of academic feminists have a twisted concept of how one person’s power means another’s inability to consent. Also, the “mattress campaign” she alludes to was false; not like Emma’s story. Camille comes across as attempting to be provocative. That said, I do agree that much of feminism today is more about the “victimhood” of women.

  23. Just looking to see if anyone had clicked on truemans blog, and the answer is yes.
    Kizone Kaprow, the fucking loser Mary had done so today, commenting with a link to how trueman was treated here.
    Why, Mary, fuck you very much with Tony’s dick and if you’re hoping that post helps your fantasy, just look at trueman’s click total.
    Loser posting on loser blog; wonderful. Hey, get Tulpa and Bo to help you out!

  24. “So I say there is a big parallel between Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton?aside from their initials! Young feminists need to understand that this abusive behavior by powerful men signifies their sense that female power is much bigger than they are!”

    Oh get out of here you delusional hag. They are just two sleazy dudes exploiting their power to get pussy, ‘by any means necessary’ in the case of Cosby.

  25. I wonder what Paglia would say about this petition and the woman’s reason for seeking help from the city government:

    http://www.myfoxaustin.com/sto…..catcalling

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