Abortion

Second Planned Parenthood Exec Talks Fetal Tissue Donation in New Undercover Video

Activists pretended to be with a medical research firm called Biomax.

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Anti-abortion activists from the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) have released a second video of undercover operatives talking with a Planned Parenthood executive about fetal tissue donation. In the latest video, Mary Gatter, an obstetrician and medical director at Planned Parenthood Los Angeles, discusses how much money researchers from the faux-company Biomax will reimburse clinics for the "specimens," as well as how doctors could tweak the abortion procedure to keep fetal organs intact.

You can tell which parts of the video CMP thinks are especially damning because it replays them several times, with added sound and editing effects. In one such section, an actor posing as Biomax staff asks Gatter, "What would you expect for intact [fetal] tissue?" Gatter replies, "Well, why don't you start by telling me what you're used to paying?" After some back and forth, Gatter suggests "$75 a specimen." When the actor tells her "that's way too low," Gatter says that she was going to suggest $50, adding "we're not in it for the money." 

In text accompanying the video, CMP suggests that Gatter negotiating about reimbursement price—something the actors are encouraging her to do—proves she and Planned Parenthood are providing the fetal tissue to turn a profit, which would be illegal. Federal law prohibits the selling of human tissue and organs, though it doesn't ban donations, nor reasonable reimbursement for donation-related costs.

As many people have pointed out, the going price for black-market human organs is more than $100. The fact that Planned Parenthood only receives $30-$100 reimbursements, combined with the fact that staff repeatedly state (while unaware they're being filmed) that Planned Parenthood is not in it to turn a profit, should tell us that the payments clinics get from medical researchers are indeed within the limits of the law. 

"We believe a focal point of Biomax's efforts was to induce our affiliates to enter into sham procurement contracts," stated Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) senior counsel Roger Evans in a recent letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. "In one instance, the amounts offered by Biomax were $100 per specimen. In another instance, Biomax offered to pay much more, sending the affiliate a 'procurement agreement' that offered a payment of $1,600 for a liver and thymus–an astronomical amount compared to the minimal cost-recovery fees that affiliates with tissue donation programs currently recoup. These efforts most often targeted Planned Parenthood affiliates not currently engaged in tissue donation. All of these efforts were rebuffed." 

The other "gotcha" CMP is trying to pin on Planned Parenthood relates to the way doctors perform abortions when fetal tissue is being donated, and there is somewhat more substance to this tack.

In both the Gatter video and the one CMP released last week (featuring Planned Parenthood's Director of Medical Services, Deborah Nucatola), staff indicate that doctors could take greater care not to crush fetal organs when they know they're being donated, and this might necessitate performing the abortion in a different way.  But on the consent form women who request to donate fetal tissue sign, Planned Parenthood says "there will be no changes to how or when my abortion is done in order to get my blood or the tissue." Federal law states that "no alteration in the timing or method of abortion" is permitted for purposes of fetal tissue collection, so CMP alleges that Planned Parenthood is breaking federal law.

Two things to keep in mind: 1) Gatter didn't say clinic doctors are altering abortion methods in order to get intact tissue, merely (when pressed by the undercover actors) that they could do so, and 2) we are talking about practices (and reimbursement prices) for individual Planned Parenthood clinics, not the organization as a whole. The vast majority of Planned Parenthood clinics do not even do fetal tissue donation. In the video released today, Gatter is only talking about procedures for Planned Parenthood Los Angeles.

Here's what she says: 

Let me explain to you a little bit of a problem, which may not be a big problem. If our usual technique is suction, at 10 to 12 weeks, and we switch to using [a manual vacuum aspirator] or something with less suction to increase the odds that it will come out as an intact specimen, then we're kind of violating the protocol that says to the patient, "We're not doing anything different in our care of you."

Now to me, that's kind of a specious little argument and I wouldn't object to asking Ian to use [manual vacuum aspiration] at that gestational age in order to increase the odds that he's going to get an intact specimen, but I do need to throw it out there as a concern. … I think they're both totally appropriate techniques, there's no difference in pain involved.

Gatter eventually says she'll "mention this to Ian and see how he feels." 

Does this prove Planned Parenthood Los Angles is breaking the law? No, as there's no indication that changing methods to accomodate tissue donation is something docs have done, just something they might be willing to do. At most, Gatter has admitted that her clinics are open to skirting the rules. Rules, I might add, that seem rather arbitrary when the two methods are similar in safety and effects (though for purposes of informed consent, any changes to standard procedure should be discussed with a patient). 

For its part, Planned Parenthood is allegeing that CMP may have broken California privacy law and federal tax law

"At this point, we do not know the full extent of Biomax's illicit conduct," wrote Evans in his letter to Congress. "We believe that on at least one occasion a representative from Biomax was shown a highly sensitive area in a clinic where tissue is processed after abortion procedures. While this work is standard and essential during any abortion procedure, any filming in such an area would be an extremely serious invasion of our patients' privacy and dignity. We also believe that in at least one interaction at a Planned Parenthood facility, the Biomax representative asked questions about the racial characteristics of tissue donated to researchers studying sickle cell anemia, apparently seeking to create a misleading impression."

Correction: The Center for Medical Progress in question is not, as previously stated, the same Center for Medical Progress affiliated with the Manhattan Institute.  

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  1. I don’t think it’s affiliated with the Manhattan Institute. They are two different groups.

    1. You’re right. Correction issued.

  2. Again, if one has no moral qualms with abortion- why would one be shocked that the product of the process would have potential value to someone? Then, why would one be shocked when one acts rationally to take advantage of such value?

    I believe the term is preaching to the choir… but that’s a profitable business, I think. Churches have been doing it for centuries.

    1. I don’t know, I think if you were to ask people that supported the death penalty if there were moral issues selling of the parts many would say yes.

      1. yes, but that’s irrational.

        1. Morality is not rational, Spencer. It is based on emotion like the Golden Rule is. Rationality is not applicable to everything unless you’re an Objectivist.

        2. Meh, I can see their point, and I think on certain issues we would take a similar logic. Let’s say I was against drugs and wanted people to go to jail who used or sold them. And let’s say that I learn that cops are selling the drugs they confiscate off to researchers for a meager profit. I think many people would be concerned that the incentives created are designed to motivate people to arrest people with drugs- not because they think it’s justice, but because it’s good business.

          Saying an action can be immoral because of motive seems logical to me. If learned a prosecutor got a bonus for everyone killed on death row I would find it a bit reprehensible.

        3. It’s irrational to say that we should not sell the organs of executed prisoners? How about the conflict of interest that it sets up. If we accept that the death penalty should be used, then its application should be as cautious as possible. If we start turning prisoner’s bodies into commodities, then we incentivize the government to be less cautious.

          The same goes with abortion. If Planned Parenthood is profiting receiving unquestionably legal payment for shipping and handling of fetal organs and aren’t you a monster for questioning the line taken by their PR flacks, then might they not have an incentive to pressure pregnant women to have more abortions?

    2. The free market demands these various body parts and tissues!

      How much for three legs and an arm?

      1. I always order my chicken in odd combinations so that at least 2 chickens have to die.

        1. Or one of them has to live out its life as an amputee.

      2. With mash potatoes and corn on the cob, or a la carte?

    3. “. . .when one acts rationally to take advantage . . .”.

      Like, when ENB opens her fetus part farm? Free markets, right? She’ll house the pregnant women, feed them, clothe them, and when the time comes – hire the abortion doctor to harvest the fruits of their labor.

      The doctor gets paid, the women get paid and ENB profits by being the entrepreneur. Win-win-win all the way around.

  3. More faux right wing outrage over an issue (abortion) that ranks at the bottom of voter concerns. Rah Rah go team Red go!

    1. do they know how to not win elections, or what?!

      1. Like libertarians know how to win elections?

    2. I don’t think the Center for Medical Progress is affiliated with the Republican Party.

      1. Maybe not- but I bet I know which way all of their members vote! (and that they share the same funding sources).

      2. Narratives within narratives…

  4. What I want to know is it seems like anybody, credentialed or not can walk into a planned parent facility and walk out with body parts. So the next question becomes we need to know who is buying these, sure there are probably some legitimate research but could say the livers be baught and sent to some rich alcoholic who has the resources to arrange a transplant. Yes I know their small but sometimes thats all thats needed. And for those who say we should be able to buy parts from those who give their permission, If a baby could give permission I don’t think he would.

    1. hahahahaha.

      I tip my hat to you, sir.

      1. Why don’t you just cut out your kid’s kidney and give it to Planned Parenthood instead. You can make a bundle.

        And your kid only needs one kidney.

    2. Yes I know their small but sometimes thats all thats needed

      Could I get, like, three put in at once and hope that at least one works out and grows?

  5. Just think of all the medical research Eichmann accomplished. Gobbels must insist there is a right to do such things.
    The problem is there can be no liberty without life. If anyone is free to redefine a human being into a non-person, monstrous things can be done – which we don’t allow to be done to animals, vivisection, or just doing an “abortion” on a cat or dog included.
    These aren’t “pieces o tissue”.
    Those hearts were beating, those brains were sensing.

  6. Oh great, now red team hates profitz. Where is a profit monger suppose to go?

    1. Libertopia.

        1. all we need is a grexit.

    2. So, you and Liz are going to open your fetus parts farm.

      “Livers! Get your Fetus Livers Here”!

      Go for it.

      You’ll make a killing.

  7. Biomax would be an excellent name for a bullshit supplement line. BIOMAX XXXTREME XXXPLODE PREWORKOUT ENERGIZZZER

    1. from beachbody- the number one brand in health and fitness!

    2. ‘We’re so convinced it will work (though we’re unsure what it’s supposed to do), we’re literally giving millions of bottles away for nine easy installments of $19.95!’

      1. It’s a sucrose supplement meant to boost the metabolism. What could be clearer than sugar pills?

    3. Wouldn’t fetal parts be more of an MRP than a preworkout concoction?

      1. why not both? different flavors.

  8. $ FOR BABY BODY PARTZ SANCTITY YUM-YUM

  9. Any word on what Millennials think of this?

    1. Dunno. I’m still waiting on what Lou Reed listens to on Spotify.

      Besides. I’m more interested in what Trump thinks of this.

      1. Trump- for aborting mexican anchor babies.

    2. Well, given their young age, they identify with both the aborted and the young, poor, unwed mothers who are the majority of aborters. So, they are conflicted.

  10. “we are talking about practices (and reimbursement prices) for individual Planned Parenthood clinics, not the organization as a whole….In the video released today, Gatter is only talking about procedures for Planned Parenthood Los Angeles.”

    So Los Angeles is a backwater now?

    1. yeah. have you BEEN there?

      1. Well, I went through their rinky-dink airport, just a tiny field in the middle of an uninhabited area.

        /sarc

  11. Federal law prohibits the selling of human tissue and organs, though it doesn’t ban donations, nor reasonable reimbursement for donation-related costs.

    Yeah, we weren’t buying influence from the Clintons, we were merely donating to their very worthy charity! That’s the ticket! Does anyone seriously buy this argument?

    1. ” Does anyone seriously buy this argument?”.

      Yes. About half the population, apparently.

      CB

      1. Half the population is retarded.

        *paraphrasing South Park*

    2. No. But I have morals. And a conscience.

      No God, no faith -but there are lines I will not cross.

  12. “Gatter didn’t say clinic doctors are altering abortion methods in order to get intact tissue, merely (when pressed by the undercover actors) that they could do so”

    Yeah, and Nixon said they *could* pay the guy off, but that would be wrong.

  13. Federal law prohibits the selling of human tissue and organs, though it doesn’t ban donations, nor reasonable reimbursement for donation-related costs.

    OK, fine, Planned Parenthood gets the goods via “donation” from the not-a-mother. I’m curious how that donation is papered, but that’s a minor point.

    So, donation-related costs is a number that could be arrived at fairly easily, it seems to me. If we are talking about the incremental additional cost of putting the red bag in a fridge until the tissue company gets there, its pretty minimal.

    So why doesn’t Planned Parenthood just say “Hey, our costs are $X for this. That’s all you can pay us, is reimbursement of those costs.” The “negotiation” strikes me as being over something other than reimbursement of costs, which is a problem under the law.

    1. And remember, PP doesn’t have to accept the donation or give the organization the tissue. I am just a big cynical meanie but I am inclined to think that any organization that doesn’t give a donation significantly over and above the cost won’t be getting anymore tissue.

      What a fucking sham. They are selling organs for profit. Maybe that is okay and lets have a discussion about whether it is. Whatever the answer to that question, lets stop lying and pretending anything other than that is going on here.

      1. I’m fine with them doing it for a profit with two qualifiers: First, don’t call it a donation if you’re planning on making a profit off of it. And two, if you’re making money off the parts, then the person supplying the parts should be compensated accordingly (kinda like Half Price Books).

  14. Does “planned parenthood” offer abortion gift certificates?

    Do they have a bridal registry?

  15. should tell us that the payments clinics get from medical researchers are indeed within the limits of the law.

    We should accept their assessment about whether their own actions violate the law? What a bizarre standard.

    1. And even if it does, since when is being within the letter of the law mean that it isn’t still appalling?

      1. Murdering babies and selling their body parts is appalling?! Who the fuck are you?!? Judgemental Johnny Goodparent?!?!

        1. I am just a big evil woman hating bible thumper. Only a real knuckle dragger could find this in any way objectionable or be appalled by anything other than how these evil people are playing “gotcha” journalism with the good people of planned parenthood.

          1. Don’t be silly, this isn’t journalism of any type. Maybe one day rightwing activists will realize the difference between journalism and propaganda, but they show no signs of it to date.

            1. And the failure of journalists to cover the Gosnell story? Hmmmm?

              1. I heard about it.

                1. From FOX FUCKING NEWS, you fucking mendacious twat…

                  1. Not real journalists at Fox? You have me there.

                    What you want is for journalists to take a gruesome anecdote and turn it into a national trend that furthers your agenda. Even nitpicking over whether the story got the coverage it merited is to engage in mendacious idiocy. Lots of things don’t get the coverage they merit.

                    1. God, Tony, you are so obviously intentionally obtuse. I am glad you watch Fox news – they are the only real journalists left and obviously you appreciate that because they were the only ones that covered the Gosnell story until they SHAMED the rest of the “mainstream media” into paying some scant attention to it.

                      And it is RICH for you to mention “a gruesome anecdote and turn it into a national trend that furthers your agenda.”

                      Newtown much, Tony?

                    2. Mass shootings are kind of a national trend.

                    3. Great retort.
                      Painfully obvious you are hypocritical cunt who has nothing.
                      Oh, and national trend?!?! They are at their lowest level in years!

                    4. Except they don’t even meet the cheapest definition of “trend”.

                    5. Really? A woman’s body, her choice? And I can imagine Tony is the world’s only gay guy, as the science evolves to fetal sexual preference prediction.

                      Guess what fetus gets aborted FIRST, Tony? I’ll give you a hint – it’s not the straight, good-looking
                      , varsity football playing fetus.

                      It’s a pajama boy gay fetus. It’s you, Tony.

                      And I imagine aborted gay fetuses will be sold in bulk by PP. A dime a dozen, as the saying goes.

            2. God you are an evil moron. Is the tape fake? Is that not an actual woman from PP and is she not saying that? Is this not going on?

              You are a hideously evil and stupid person Tony. You really are. Get help.

              1. The tape is doctored, like all rightwing sting tapes. The person is not doing or saying anything nefarious or illegal, as this article states. Rightwing activists can’t even accidentally stumble upon a real scandal.

                1. These are people who murder babies and sell their body parts.

                  I could care less about abortion. IF you are pregnant and don’t want it, take a pill or get some other procedure done. Christ, with the amount of birth control in this country, it is the easiest thing in the world to never get pregnant and have all the sex you like.

                  But if you wait for that child’s brain stem to develop (unlike yours, which never did) then you are aborting a child. Sorry.

                  And these people have made a very profitable industry out of it. More profitable than the NCAA, in fact.

                2. Just remember – your kind is considered “undesirable” to many, many people.

                  And given the option of aborting an undesirable gay fetus or waiting for the preferable straight one, many parents will opt straight over gay.

                  Especially since kids are expensive. 18 years of paying for an undesirable, when opting out is clean and easy?

                  Adios, Tony. That giant sucking sound you hear isn’t your job disappearing to Mexico.

            3. And, perhaps, one day little red marxians will be able to accurately identify what “rightwing” actually means. One day, maybe.

  16. How much are nonviable fetuses really able to experience once they get to hell? That seems like the important question.

    1. Yes Tony, make an unbelievably idiotic and irrelevant statement because as usual you have nothing intelligent to add and the people who run KOS and DU haven’t figured out any talking points to give you.

      You are just pathetic Tony.

      1. I think they have figured out the talking points and this is the best they could do. Do you remember how stupid they got about Gossnell?

        1. Gosnell? Hmmmmm….

          Nope, name doesn’t ring a bell. What that in THIS country?

        2. God was that a hurricane of stupid. Gossnell just showed the evils of not having government regulation. The same people who have spent decades fighting any regulation of abortion turned around and blamed the Gossnell case on evil right wingers who hated government regulation.

          Even though this is so bad they can’t even come up with a way to defend it, they still will not reconsider their opinion. That is both amazing and a bit scary.

          1. First rule of retard proggies (see: Tony) : failure of govermment AUTOMATICALLY justifies more government.

            1. Why aren’t the people using government to force abortion clinics out of business and who wish to use government to force women to give birth against their will the ones for big government? You’re not making any kind of sense.

              1. There are people here who do that and endorse that?! REALLY?!?!
                Who?

          2. And it worked. And I have a feeling these videos will backfire, and selling post-abortion organs will become normal.

            1. When you consider that people as evil and fanatical as Tony seem to be the normal, you may be right.

      2. I assumed the only relevant matter was that the poor babies are all going to burn in hellfire for eternity. Otherwise who gives a shit? Heaven is better than a broken home, no?

        1. You made the statement because you are an evil fanatic who can’t defend this but are too stupid and fanatical to cause it to change your view. So you just throw shit because that is all you have.

        2. The fact that you would assume anything is a testament to your arrogance. But it’s also what makes you a prog(plus your indifference to human suffering). You will never bother to understand the people who disagree with you, you’ll just assume they’re as stupid and evil as you are.

        3. Heaven is better than a broken home, no?

          I realize this is likely just ridiculous trolling, but hol-lee shit.

        4. Tony you clearly do not know the bible. “those who do not know me will not suffer eternal damnation”. those babies have not committed suicide or know him their soul will be fine however those who do the abortions and promote abortions, I can not speak to what may happen with their souls.

    2. When “nonviable fetus” = 7 month developed child, you know Tony is on the scene.

      1. If the mother doesn’t want it, it is nonviable. Didn’t you know that Monty?

        1. The way I hears it, the mother has to wait that long so she can spend a good amount of time resenting and hating the child and how this baby will “punish” her – then she can happily have it EVACUATED from her womb!
          Presto!!

  17. Two predictions:

    1. The Center for Medical Progress will release an additional heavily-edited video which will appear to show that PP targets African-Americans for abortion. However, the full, unedited version will show that the interviewee mentions African-Americans only in the context of a discussion of sickle-cell anemia, a genetic disease which affects only Negros.

    2. PP will file a defamation lawsuit against the Center for Medical Progress.

    1. Couldn’t comment on one. I can’t read minds. As far as two, it is extremely unlikely PP will be suing anyone. If they did, they would open themselves up to discovery. Trust is a defense to defamation. If you think Planned Parenthood is going to subject itself to discovery about whether it targets African Americans, you are more delusional than Tony.

      1. No shit. Anyone who thinks Planned Parenthood would willingly make their entire operation open to full public scrutiny in a defamation lawsuit is kidding themselves.

        1. Even if PPLA opened its operations up to scrutiny, it wouldn’t tell you anything about the other 58 affiliates or PPFA.

  18. Abortion profiteering? Now I’ve heard everything!

  19. You’ve ignored the most damning line about the Lamborghini which may by itself show intent to commit a crime…anyway at the very least this information should suffice for probable cause for a warrant to search the LA facility for evidence of their operational practices…after all Kermit Gosnell was just a practitioner as well until investigated…there’s enough here for a deeper look

    1. Who is this Gosnell you speak of? Mind you- I don’t watch that FILTHY PROPAGANDA on Fox news!!!

  20. I’d also add that the pro-choice position is not a libertarian position…the definition of when life begins is not defined within the non-aggression principle

    1. Yes. I have been trying to explain that to people for years. Some get that but a lot do not.

    2. All libertarians have to be pro choice. Anyone who isn’t and claims the label is an evil SoCon. I mean, what kind of monster would deny a woman’s right to choose, just because of the NAP? Everyone knows the NAP doesn’t apply because that baby is an invading parasite, living off of the woman’s host body.

      /sarc

  21. Why does Planned Parenthood keep getting caught on tape endorsing wicked things? Just a series of unconnected, unrepresentative anecdotes, I suppose.

    Recall when the sting was getting clinic staff to believe that an underage girl had gotten knocked up by her older boyfriend, so the staff recommended that the girl lie about the ages involved so they wouldn’t have to report it.

    Or the clinic which accepted a donation earmarked for aborting a black baby.

    Each and every time, it’s a right-wing smear job which just happened, by a regrettable coincidence, to catch clinic staff saying something bad which was totally not endorsed by the national organization.

    /sarc

    1. Or the clinic which accepted a donation earmarked for aborting a black baby.

      Did they go out of their way to use it for that purpose? Unless you are accommodating the donator, accepting unqualified (“earmark” reads as “nonbinding note”) donations from reprehensible people is not a bad thing. It deprives them and their causes of money, and once you have it you can use it as you see fit. That having been said, I would say that PP itself is kind of a reprehensible organization, so we should be critical of the donator more than anything else.

      Also, wtf squirrels?

      1. But basically, they are exempt from so many laws, you’d think that they’d be able to obey the laws which remain. Apparently not.

      2. I think the real observation is that the staff is too stupid to notice when they are being set up.

    2. Each and every time, it’s a right-wing smear job which just happened, by a regrettable coincidence, to catch clinic staff saying something bad which was totally not endorsed by the national organization.

      I guess you could say that PP is franchised. There’s the parent organization, PPFA, which sells franchises to the 59 affiliates, like PPLA. There is sharing amongst them, but each affiliate operates independently.

      PPFA has shut down affiliates before, like when they shut down PPGG and sold the parts off to PPS-D and PPMM.

  22. The first video they released was entirely unedited, they released the edited version because people don’t watch 3 hour videos. The talking point that there is some sort of subterfuge is bullshit.

    1. FAKE TAPE!!!!

      /tonyderp

  23. These aren’t “organs” in the same way that people buy organs for transplant. They are research specimens, and as such have very limited market value.

    Given than PP has no shortage of funding, I would be very surprised to find them trying to pimp fetal tissues out of greed. They probably think they are helping medical research and the prices being suggested don’t sound like a cash cow.

    1. I see what you are saying but Planned parenthood seems to never do anything except out of greed. So it seems doubtful they are any different here.

      And they don’t seem to have a limited value at all. If they do, why are the people in the video so anxious to sell them and so familiar with doing so? This seems like a pretty good cash business judging from the way these people talk.

  24. If you’re not free to kill a fetus and sell off the parts, then can we really say we’re free at all?

  25. “As many people have pointed out, the going price for black-market human organs is more than $100. The fact that Planned Parenthood only receives $30-$100 reimbursements, combined with the fact that staff repeatedly state (while unaware they’re being filmed) that Planned Parenthood is not in it to turn a profit, should tell us that the payments clinics get from medical researchers are indeed within the limits of the law. ”

    Depends on what you mean by “Planned Parenthood”.

    What that should tell us is that the people in Planned Parenthood who are making the decisions about which firm gets their human harvest are getting greased. Of course they are. They’re making the decision about who gets goods priced at 50 cents on the dollar. Of course some of that below market price finds its way into their pockets.

    So if by “Planned Parenthood makes no profit”, you mean no profit shows up on the books, I suspect that is true, within the bounds of usual accounting chicanery.

    But if you mean that Planned Parenthood staffers aren’t cashing in on the sluice of below market price body parts, you’re horribly naive.

    1. This is arguably the most horribly naive article not written by Steve Chapman I have read here.

    2. So if by “Planned Parenthood makes no profit”, you mean no profit shows up on the books, I suspect that is true, within the bounds of usual accounting chicanery.

      They have quite a budget for things like office furniture…

  26. even If PP is selling the parts at cost, which is still abhorrent, are they also still billing the government for the work done if so then they are double billing which is illegal on several counts. I know they aren’t supposed to use federal money for abortions but any look at their account would probably show that donations vs abortion cost vs federal funding will probably not match up. Of course no one has the balls to require a full accounting.

  27. “In text accompanying the video, CMP suggests that Gatter negotiating about reimbursement price?something the actors are encouraging her to do?proves she and Planned Parenthood are providing the fetal tissue to turn a profit, which would be illegal. ”

    She’s flexible on price, and desirous of a higher price. If the idea is reimbursement, why are there negotiations of any kind? This is obtuse.

    “(while unaware they’re being filmed) ”

    Literally zero shits given.

    “Federal law states that “no alteration in the timing or method of abortion” is permitted for purposes of fetal tissue collection, so CMP alleges that Planned Parenthood is breaking federal law.”

    Which they are, at minimum, willing to do. At minimum. Like, you have to be utterly obtuse, to the point of being so on purpose, to pretend they are not doing so.

    But hey, PP does abortion. That’s pretty magical, right?

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