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Everybody Has Suddenly Noticed Confederate Flag Stuff Is Widely Available (Update: eBay and Amazon Join Ban)

Stores like Walmart and Sears drop the merchandise.

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Should we assume they're so cheap due to lack of demand?
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After being contacted by CNN, Walmart, Sears and Kmart have all decided to drop all merchandise from their shops and online that bear the symbol of the confederate flag. As of Monday, CNN was able to find some items on their site:

"We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. We have taken steps to remove all items promoting the confederate flag from our assortment — whether in our stores or on our web site," said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick. "We have a process in place to help lead us to the right decisions when it comes to the merchandise we sell. Still, at times, items make their way into our assortment improperly — this is one of those instances."

They worked fast. As of Tuesday morning a search for "confederate flag" didn't offer anything with the familiar symbol, except for the state flag for Mississippi, which has it baked in.

Walmart and Sears are obviously empowered to decide for themselves what sort of merchandise they want to carry in their shops, and if they don't want to infuriate their customers with symbols of racism (or perhaps they are trying to draw in new customers by eliminating symbols of racism), more power to them.

But CNN takes it a little further. They contacted Amazon and eBay to see if they were going to eliminate Confederate flag merchandise from their site. They have not apparently responded. Both sites still offer Confederate flags for sale. But these are online marketplaces that really don't curate their offerings the way a "brand" like Walmart or Sears does. CNN notes that eBay has a policy against offensive items that "promote hatred or racial supremacy, including historic or current items."

If CNN had checked on the site further, maybe they would have discovered that eBay perhaps means this rule literally and does not include symbolic representations that we associate with hatred. It's easy to realize the limits rule means by typing the word "Nazi" into eBay's search engine. You'll immediately get a page full of coins of the Third Reich for collectors, most of which are emblazoned with a swastika. There are historical photos for sale of Nazis in uniform during the war. Clearly the rule doesn't mean what CNN thinks it means (or else somebody at eBay is asleep at the switch).

It's one thing to pressure a retailer to drop merchandise. It's another thing to pressure a service that connects individual buyers and sellers to each other. It changes the dynamic from "The places where I shop should maybe not be profiting off selling racist merchandise," to "People should not have or even want these things at all."

Obviously, eBay and Amazon can do whatever they please and make decisions based on pleasing customers. They don't have to permit Confederate flag merchandise to be sold through their services if doing so has the potential to harm their business model. But then there's always Craigslist! And if Cragislist won't allow it, people will find some other way to engage in trade. Confederate flag opponents must not make the mistake of confusing using their power as a consumer to pressure their favorite retailers into better behavior with trying to control trade between other people.

Judge them all you want, but attempting to stop individuals from engaging in trade over confederate symbols or memorabilia will not purge the symbols from American society. Instead it will breed resentment, backlashes, claims of censorship, and even more angry paranoia. 

UPDATE: eBay has informed BuzzFeed in a statement that the will ban the sale of Confederate flags and items containing the image.

UPDATE II: Amazon has also declared they will drop Confederate flag-themed merchandise from its stores.

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  1. It is funny. The very same people who said Islam had nothing to do with Hussain blowing a gasket, shouting Allah Akbar and killing all of those people at Fort Hood are now saying the Confederate Flag has everything to do with this nut blowing a gasket and shooting a bunch of people. An ideology and a religion has nothing to do with someone’s actions but a flag does. And we think we are smarter than people who sacrificed virgins for a better harvest.

    1. You’re supposed to be tolerant of the religion and customs of other people, as long as they’re not white, Christian, heterosexual males. Those people are intolerant, and tolerant people do not tolerate intolerance.

      1. Despite that societies built by this maligned group are the most prosperous and tolerant societies in the world bar none.

        1. You’re RACIST for noticing. STOP IT!

    2. What’s ridiculous to is that Islam is an actual ideology whereas being white is not an ideology. If someone kills Christians because they’re heretics, it’s completely accurate to say the ideology of Islam is at fault because of ideas set forth in the Koran. In this case, the ideology of white supremacy is at fault, not the fact that he was white and not the fact that some people like Confederate flags because they view it as part of their heritage.

      So the far, crazy left has taken the untenable position that when a white person engages in racist violence all white people are somehow at fault, particularly if they’re southerners or fly Confederate flags, but that you can’t even mention the I-word when people commit murder specifically because the Koran tells them to.

      1. The Left has isolated millions of intelligent Muslims who suffer at the hands of tyrannical Islam by denying them an additional and progressive avenue to publicize horror.

        As Muslim blood spills like rivers beneath them the American socialist covers their eyes and crows deliriously about impartiality.

      2. What’s ridiculous to is that Islam is an actual ideology whereas being white is not an ideology.

        If race is a social construct, then “being white” is an ideology. So all you have to do is see the relative power in society, whites have it, Muslims don’t, and ta-daah – apparent controversy is resolved.
        How did it go? Thesis, antithesis, synthesis or something? Some very smart person which we can’t really name has helped the left settle such controversies for ages!

    3. Re: John,

      An ideology and a religion has nothing to do with someone’s actions but a flag does.

      Islamists are the oppressed, white people are not. Simple.

      1. And in places in the world where the white population could quite accurately be described as “oppressed” (think Zimbabwe and South Africa) you’ll be told either a) they deserve it or b) there’s no oppression happening there at all you stormfront nazi white supremacist scum.

        1. Wasn’t aware that whites in South Africa were oppressed.

          Zimbabwe, sure — along with anyone not in the ruling clique.

          1. According to my Twitter feed, Mandela’s death opened some floodgates.

    4. Dear Lord, what pussies we’ve become.

  2. Everybody Has Suddenly Noticed Confederate Flag Stuff Is Widely Available

    And now many eBay opportunities have suddenly opened up! Thank you, sense of phony outrage!

    1. I knew I should have invested in Confederate flag futures!

      1. Ironically, the Confederate flag is all about the past – and yet flag futures would indeed have been a good bet.

        Odd, that.

  3. “angry paranoia.”

    Well, I don’t think the flag supporters are the ones engaging in angry paranoia given that the Huffington Post informs me that Confederate flags have magic murder rays that cause people to kill blacks.

    “The troglodyte that killed those people in South Carolina wanted to fire the opening shots in a new race war. He is a Confederate in every sense of the word. He is a white supremacist. He is a terrorist. He is a traitor.

    The worst part is that he is not some aberration. Oh, we want to comfort and assure ourselves that he is, that he has some mental issue, or that he’s evil, or some other easy excuse that absolves us all of responsibility.

    His actions were heinous, but he is the product of a media environment and culture that protects the ignorant and glorifies division. This is the “heritage” celebrated by those who fly the Confederate flag. By those like my neighbor.”

    The media environment of people flying Confederate flags causes anti-black murders even though there are almost no anti-black murders in a given year. One side appears paranoid, but it’s not the one where people just want to fly their little flag.

    1. I blame society. Society made him what he is.

      1. shut up Archie, you’re just a white suburban punk, just like me

        1. Yeah, but it still hurts.

    2. he is the product of a media environment and culture that protects the ignorant and glorifies division.

      The projection, it is weapons-grade.

      1. I was about to point that out.

      2. You should read the whole thing. The unearned smug condescension is astonishing:

        “In my time here I’ve seen scores of Confederate bumper stickers, license plates, and even other flags. Neo-Confederate revisionism is everywhere. It’s not confined to “dumb rednecks” or red-state voters or Nascar fans or any other easy stereotype we use to deceive ourselves and dismiss painful realities. It’s not even confined to older generations. The killer in South Carolina is 21. He’s a Millennial. He’s one of us.”

        Some people fly the Confederate flag who aren’t even sister fucking hillbillies! Jesus, some of them aren’t even decrepit fogies who vote Republican (*spits in abject disgust*).

        I understand if people are offended by the flag because it is loaded with baggage. I just think it’s ridiculous and provably untrue to assume that anyone who flies it does so for racist reasons and the sneering sense of superiority you get from these people really irks me.

        1. He’s one of us.

          Well, there’s your problem. Who’s “us”? Stop. Just stop.

          1. Uggh, I have been bombarded by friends claiming that “we” South Carolinians have failed everyone.

            1. Well haven’t you?

            2. I mean, you guys did give us Lindsey Graham….

        2. He’s a Millennial. He’s one of us.

          *shudder*

          1. Yeah, because I totally define myself on having been born between, roughly, 1982 and 2000, or whatever the hell they’ve decided as cutoffs. Just because one out of nearly 100 million people is a soulless racist bastard, that clearly means we all are or something.

        3. I DID read the entire thing – as you provided that helpful link. Now I am angry, but not as angry and hateful as the writer, thank goodness.

          “unearned smug condescension” sums it up nicely.

          1. “unearned smug condescension” sums it up nicely.

            It’s pretty much the tag-line for the proggies.

        4. It’s all so much smoke and mirrors. Taking away the flag (or flags) won’t change one person’s mindset, whatever it is, or stop one wacko from murdering others for some insane reason. This is what we’re reduced to, treating symbols as the actual things they symbolize.

    3. He is a Confederate in every sense of the word.

      …Except the part where he worked alone. You know, he didn’t have any…oh, what’s the word…oh yeah, confederates.

      1. Next up, we go after the old ladies in the Daughters of the Confederacy.

    4. “The worst part is that he is not some aberration.”

      Really? It’s kind of routine for homicidal maniacs to enter churches and murder people?

      I thought the killer’s Web site said he was disappointed that he couldn’t find people to share in his madness.

      1. You know the facts have no place in the left’s narrative.

    5. He is a Confederate in every sense of the word. He is a white supremacist. He is a terrorist. He is a traitor.

      And here I thought “confederate” was a term denoting decentralization of political power among constituent entities. I guess it’s actually a term that means “American Nazi”.

      1. “Confederate” means “bad,” dummy. At least to an award-winning intellectual with a stunning CV like so:

        “John Price is a folklorist and doctoral candidate in American Studies. He is also an award-winning lecturer in American Studies and Communications. John is from New Jersey, which is home to the country’s best tomatoes, corn, pizza, and bagels.”

        In a couple of years he’ll discover the term neoconfederate and then really stick it to you damn racists who love slavery, guns, and capitalism so much.

        1. Neoconfederate is just a lovely and vague word, perfect for unreasoned name calling against anyone who disputes the public elementary school accounting of Civil War history.

        2. “John is from New Jersey, which is home to the country’s best tomatoes, corn, pizza, and bagels.”

          Wow. Zero for four on the truthfulness of that claim.

    6. He can’t be a Confederate in every sense of the word, because there is no Confederacy to be a member of. I wish the writers at HuffPo would just once engage their brains before writing something they think sounds really clever.

    7. From that HuffPo article:

      “I hate Gone With the Wind. I hate everything about it. I hate its portrayal of the Civil War. I hate its portrayal of Southern aristocrats. I hate its popularity. I hate that it’s become an iconic movie. I hate that it was ever made in the first place.”

      Don’t ever doubt that lefties would burn books if they were given free reign.

      I have an odd compulsion to buy things that people consider offensive and may want banned or eliminated. I have a little black “mammy” figurine that I found at an antique store, a few blackface minstrel records from the early 1900s, and some other stuff like that. Now I’m experiencing the urge to hoard some copies of Gone With the Wind and Confederate flags.

      1. Considering their voiceful opposition to Citizen’s United, no one should doubt what they would do if they could get away with it.

      2. I’m rather saddened that people have this view of Southern culture, past and present. A lot of what’s good about America came from the South, and it’s pathetic that these people who talk about the evils of prejudice, hate, and intolerance say things that are, frankly, akin to Nazis talking about Jews before they started killing them off.

        I’m from the South. I revere human freedom, deplore that slavery was ever a part of our history (that’s human, history, of course, since this country and everyone else going way back had slaves), but I still respect the good that has and still comes from the South. In the end, though, such things are and should be viewed as vague generalities and should not be used to attack individuals, whether alone or in groups.

        1. Go fuck your sisters, you stupid racist redneck. Wait, are your sisters hot? PICS

          1. Have you lusted after a Southern woman? Then you are a sinner and need to atone.

    8. What I find terrifying is the urge for so many commentators (right and left) to describe this heinous crime as “domestic terrorism.” Once we start throwing that label around this casually in reference to domestic crimes, the feds will start exercising its anti-terror powers.

      1. How was this not terrorism? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t approve of the feds’ anti-terror policies, but that doesn’t mean this wasn’t a terrorist attack.

        1. The label is perhaps appropriate, but it’s just unsettling to me because I don’t expect our dear leaders to exercise their powers fairly or judiciously against their political opponents. See, inter alia, the IRS.

      2. I think it’s fair and accurate to apply the label here. This asshole was hoping to start a race war! It clearly meets the definition of using violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

        1. That’s the problem, it’s applying a label and doing so redundantly.

          ‘Because… race war!’ is no more material or relevant than ‘Because… hate crime!’ or ‘Because… male rapist!’

          He’s not a member of a powerful and generally violent political faction or a trend of organized violence. He’s arguably less a terrorist than Jared and Amanda Miller. Calling him a terrorist is just going to get the SPLC to label a bunch of meaningless groups as right-wing grass-roots terrorists… again.

          To be clear, the problem isn’t exactly with the label though, as was pointed out; the label terrorism carries all manner of legal and government accoutrements.

    9. It’s ridiculous.

      There will be more blacks killed by other blacks this week than blacks killed by whites- even with these nine murders commited by a crazy white dude. Black males between 16-40 are 3-4% of the total population, and will account for just under 50% of all murders in the US this year.

  4. So what’s next? Digitally removing the Stars and Bars atop the General Lee in all recordings of The Dukes of Hazaard?

    1. While they’re at it, maybe the feminists can digitally impose pants on Daisy Duke, who was obviously microaggressed against by the patriarchy of Hazard County.

      1. digitally impose pants on Daisy Duke

        You go too far, sir!

    2. The Stars and Bars is not the battle flag

  5. It’s just the marketplace exerting influence, Scott, and dollars exercising free speech. Surely no problem with either.

    1. Fuck off Joe. No one cares what you think.

      1. But I LOVE how you care, John! After all, you keep reading! Keep it up!

    2. And you’d surely carry the same tune if a bunch of people ganged up on, say, pro-gay merchandise or businesses.

      1. The market place will handle, mj. Which was my point. Hey, the marketplace handled it in Indiana too. You just don’t like what the marketplace is saying on this, do you?

        1. I think both instances are stupid. People are stupid and bullying.

    3. It’s entirely possible to say that people have the right to boycott and pressure a business to change some policy of theirs, but also say that this particular instance of that is stupid.

      Of course, if these opponents were to get the government involved in an effort to crush free exchange between consenting individuals, then it becomes all sorts of wrong.

    4. Why is there always some retard who makes this argument? The non-aggression principle does not preclude criticism.

    5. Why are your post always so short on substance?

      You know what’s not the marketplace? A third party showing up at the local flea market demanding that offensive items not be sold or traded between two willing parties.

      1. That’s funny. You do know I hope that Rand Paul said on Maddow’s show that he was against laws that forbid segregation in businesses because the marketplace will handle it…that he would not frequent a business that did something he thought was repugnant. And you know how we would know about that repugnant act? Why word of mouth, and the media, and other people gathering support.

        You just want to be selective about how the marketplace is speaking. Too bad…it’s not your decision.

        1. You just want to be selective about how the marketplace is speaking. Too bad…it’s not your decision.

          Yet, I am supposed to be ourtraged that a black guy can’t get a cabbie to pick him up, or gets inferior service in a restaurant

        2. You just want to be selective about how the marketplace is speaking. Too bad…it’s not your decision.

          Yet, I am supposed to be ourtraged that a black guy can’t get a cabbie to pick him up, or gets inferior service in a restaurant

  6. And remember the South is full of murderous racists yet for some reason black people are migrating away from the tolerant and loving progressive bosom in the North into the racist south by the millions.

  7. Somebody in my town owns a new Charger with a General Lee paint job. I see it go by a couple times a week – I love it.

    1. Does the horn play Dixie?

      1. Sarc, I saw on the evul gunz thread yesterday that you like revolvers – do you have a .357? If so what is the recoil like? Considering one for myself – I’d like to try one first but that is virtually impossible in my neck of the woods.

        Comments and advice appreciated by any and all.

        1. I’ve got an old S&W Model 10. Never had the opportunity to shoot a .357. The nice thing about those revolvers is that they are heavy sons of bitches, and that absorbs much of the recoil (unlike those plastic pieces of shit that seem to be so popular these days). Nice thing about the .357 is that .38SP rounds fit just fine into the gun, so if you don’t like the recoil of the bigger shells, you don’t have to use them.

          1. Hunh, odd. My Model 10 is a .357 mag.

            It’s not bad, although I prefer the rounded grip on my 696 to the squared off one of my 10.

            1. I just did a little research and found that they did make some Model 10s in .357, but because of problems with using the K frame meant for .38SP, they later developed the J frame specifically for the .357.

            2. That’s a rare gun. Hold onto it.

        2. What do you want it for? Carry, home defense, hunting, recreation?

          1. FM – more for recreational purposes but also as home defense. I like the idea that I can get a round (.357 or .44) that can be used in a revolver or a lever-action rifle.

            Thanks Sarc!

            1. I’d op for a six inch barrel. It reduces the recoil and is more accurate if you don’t need to conceal the weapon.

        3. .357 is the diameter of the projectile, while .38 is the diameter of the casing. Both shells have the same diameter casing and projectile. It’s just that the .357 shell is longer which prevents it from being used in a .38SP, while the .357 can shoot either.

        4. My dad has an old S&W 686. .357 is a nice round. I’ve come around to the argument that the number of shots matters more than the caliber, so I probably wouldn’t carry a revolver, but if 6 rounds is enough for you, a .357 revolver is probably the best choice.

          1. Thanks Warty. I’ve seen some .357 revolvers with 7 and 8 round capacity but not sure how much weight that adds.

            1. I think Taurus and S&W did the 7-8 rd thing. I think most defensive experts agree shot placement is more important than caliber. If you live in a gun unfriendly state, at least the revolvers won’t fall prey to anti-high capacity ordinances.

            2. A revolver just has more class than a pistol, though. It’s an important consideration. They’re much easier to accessorize.

              1. A revolver just has more class than a pistol, though.

                Amen to that.

        5. I have a Ruger GP100 in .357/.38SP, and I love it. Sarcasmic is right; the weight absorbs most of the recoil, although it can still be a bit snappy when you’re shooting full-power self-defense loads. The average “range ammo” for .357 is manageable, though.

          They come with an “ergonomic” Hogue grip, which I didn’t really care for. I didn’t like the appearance of it, and it made it kind of awkward to use speed loaders. I replaced it with one of the original grips that I found on eBay, so now mine looks just like this:

          http://www.thespecialistsltd.c…..-GP100.jpg

          I haven’t shot very many other revolvers, so I don’t have much to compare it to, but it shoots like a dream and I can bust out some pretty tight groups with it.

          1. I also have the 4 inch GP-100. Great gun. The 686 is like the gold standard of high end .357.

          2. Very cool, thanks Akira!

          3. That’s a badass revolver.

          4. Ruger makes .357 versions of their new-ish LCR pistol, but while it’s an excellent carry gun it’s really a nasty thing to shoot – mainly because the alloy frame means that there’s insufficient mass to overcome the recoil. That and if you’re moderately large-handed, the grips are small.

            If you’re *not* looking for carry, and want to have fun shooting big rounds, get something big and heavy, as has been suggested above. You can’t go far wrong with S&W or Ruger, and I saw some surprisingly nice modern Taurus models when I was toying with the idea of owning one.

  8. And, yet more news cycles are consumed on utterly pointless bullshit and distractions.

    No accident, really. There’s plenty of other stuff going on that actually matters, but isn’t getting covered because it would draw attention to the Wrong People.

    Hillary’s campaign continuing to implode? Pssht, who cares.

    The OPM leak just getting bigger and bigger? What are you, some kind of anarchist nutjob?

    The savage civil war(s) in the Middle East piling up bodies? Meh.

    The Republican leadership conspiring with Obama to ram through a secret deal on trade that will most likely gut the Constitutional republic even further w/ EU-style “regulatory smoothing” done by an international kleptocracy, I mean bureaucracy? Eh, who cares.

    A parade of federal bureaucrats telling Congress to go screw? Yawn.

    1. $18T of national debt and $100T of unfunded liabilities, and growing every day? Snoooozzz….

    2. Hillary’s campaign continuing to implode? Pssht, who cares.

      It’s possible that’s because the media isn’t there to prop it up?

    3. Really? You don’t think a weekend full of pro-bloodiest-war-in-American-history propaganda and odes to Obama’s bravery for using the word that shall not be worded on a fellatial podcast qualifies as serious journalism?

    4. Ghafla, the distraction.

  9. Rage purges in odd ways, man. Evidently censorship is perfectly within reason when an item of special dissatisfaction can be linked to tragedy.

  10. I was going to make a smart-assed comment about how E-Bay sells plastic models of Bf-109’s and FW-190’s with swastika decals, but was somewhat alarmed to see that almost none of the models (or at least the box-art) depict the swastikas that were on the tails. I’m guessing this is the decision of the model manufacturer, rather than E-Bay, although I did find one where the swastika was blacked-out, leaving a small black diamond. I’ll have to go do some research on Revell and Fujimi.
    ..
    OK, Revell does seem to permit them on their website:

    http://www.revell.com/product-…..322-lg.jpg

    1. I loved those fucking models. I never had an ME-262, though. That was dumb of me.

      1. I have an unbuilt ME-262 at home. Pieces still on the trees. Make me an offer.

        1. Dennis Reynolds: One, please.
          Crack Dealer: One what?
          Dennis Reynolds: One… rock of crack. Is that going to be enough?
          Dee Reynolds: How much would you recommend for a first time user?
          Crack Dealer: I’ll make you a deal. Two-for-one special.
          Dennis Reynolds, Dee Reynolds: Ok, how much?
          Crack Dealer: 200 dollars?
          Dennis Reynolds: Sounds fair.

        2. Haven’t built a WW II model in years (actually, haven’t built any models in years, but hoping to change that with retirement). Like vinyl records, plastic modeling lives below the surface.

    2. I bet the models of soviet aircraft and equipment still have the Hammer&Sickle;. How odd.

      1. Well sure but the Soviet Union didn’t intentionally murder millions based on ethnicity or political leanings so I don’t see your poi….oh wait, I see what you did there!

  11. I don’t care what they say, I’m not giving up my Forza “General Lee” Charger. They’ll have to pry it from my cold dead account.

    1. Damn right Susan. It is a fucking flag for God’s sake. People really are retarded.

      1. Cue Bo: WOULD YOU BE SAYING THAT IF IT WAS A NAZI FLAG

        Anyway, did you see Oliver Willis claim that the Confederates were worse than the Nazis because ‘at least the Nazis didn’t betray their own country?’

        Apparently Willis thinks it’s worse to betray a country that’s murdering Jews than it is to murder those Jews. That’s some brilliant logic, especially given that our country was literally founded by going to war with Britain.

        1. I am pretty sure destroying the legal system, taking everyone’s rights and creating a murderous police state and then launching a world war that results in millions of your citizens’ deaths, complete destruction of its cities and complete foreign occupation counts as “betraying your country”, but maybe that is just me.

          The problem Progs have with the Confederacy is that they are a complex lot. Slavery was evil and they did go to war to maintain it. At the same time, they were not the Nazis and were not genocidal or evil in anything like the way the Nazis or Communists were. So understanding the Confederacy and its legacy requires some nuanced thinking and that is just not something Progs do well. Progs are as much as anything very simple minded people who don’t like how messy reality is and think in very simple and black and white terms.

          1. I don’t think progressives or conservatives can be organized with a paragraph.

            I can appreciate your reasoning here but the political gang rape of the confederate graphic has more to do with establishment elitism censoring a symbol long associated with fringes and sub/counterculture than swathes of normal everyday Democrats banding by the millions against an ‘unjust’ collection of colors and lines.

            1. The peace that was made after the civil war was that the North won the war but the South got to keep its dignity and tell itself it fought the good fight for a noble cause. Yeah rednecks use it as a social signaling device. It is the kind of harmless form of expression that keeps the peace in societies. But Progs being angry and retarded can’t see that. They want to run it out of society and put a boot on rednecks’ faces. That is just going to make things worse and create more conflict.

              1. As with many if not all things prog related, it’s about control and conformity, nothing else.

        2. like kryptonite to donuts

        3. Why would I care if a bunch of Jainists put a swastika on their car? It’s almost like symbols are arbitrary and subjective.

        4. Whatever. The United States had slavery, like most of the world did at the time, and a lot of people died to get rid of it. As bad as slavery was, I think it’s hard to compare it to genocide, aggressive military expansion, and all of the myriad other ills of the Nazi regime.

          In any event, regardless of the outcome of the Civil War, the right of secession is a human right. If you take slavery out of the picture altogether, why can’t states leave the union? And why is it okay to kill people by the hundred thousand to prevent that separation?

          1. that is my point. It is not a whatever. Slavery was evil and the South went to war to perpetuate it. That is pretty bad. But as you say, the cause wasn’t all bad. That is why you need to have some nuance in your thinking. The Progs don’t have that.

            1. Humans have been treating bad practices as normal for as long as we’ve existed. It’s one of the things we do. I’m appalled at slavery, appalled at genocide, I’m appalled at current tyranny. Slavery was an evil that we unfortunately couldn’t end peacefully, unlike most of the West.

              But the fact that we had an evil institution like that doesn’t destroy all that was good about the early U.S. or about the South. It certainly has no bearing on today, since the number of people who think slavery should return (other than those in government who want to enslave us all) is smaller than the number of people in insane asylums.

      2. I keep thinking about that bit from “Sleeper” where a swastika is used as a costume. With time, the same thing will happen with the CBF. Getting all crazy about it just drags that process out. Heck, if “The Producers” could be staged in Israel without the world ending then so too can the CBF become normalized.

        1. Mockery is powerful.

        2. And the way to take the evil out of a symbol is to ridicule it and appropriate it. Nothing takes the sting out of a swastika than ridiculing it the way it is in Sleeper or the Producers.

          The Confederate flag is nothing but a social signal for Southern rednecks. That is it. It has utterly lost all of its old meaning. Progs should welcome that. They only hate it because the point of the whole thing is to hate Southern Rednecks not do anything about racism.

          1. I knew a few black rednecks in high school, and yep, they had stuff with Confederate flags on them. I doubt seriously that they were self-hating racists.

    2. Beauty of online DRM is that they don’t have to ask. You can just wake up one day, and there it is, Smiling Face General Lee Tolerance

      1. Maybe they can take it if they want but I’m not giving it up.

  12. Reconstruction is never over.

    1. Doin’ right ain’t got no end – Captain Redlegs

  13. attempting to stop individuals from engaging in trade over confederate symbols or memorabilia will not purge the symbols from American society

    The purge is the point, the object of the purge is secondary, or irrelevant.

    Almost as if the purge is symbolic of everything “scary” in themselves.

  14. Fking html, the last 2 sentences were my comment

  15. Normally I love me some Culture War, but even I think this is getting ridiculous.

    Yes, people are rightly offended by the Confederate flag. There are people who sincerely use it as a heritage symbol, and will continue to do so *with their own property.* It would be best not to have the flag of a defeated, slave republic flying on *public* property, though.

    The ridiculous thing is the fact that this Vitally Important Debate was triggered by a homicidal maniac who (AFAIK) represents only himself, but certain activists want to Sharptonize the matter in order to bash conservatives, especially conservative Republicans, and especially conservative Republican Southerners.

    1. This is probably why Republican leaders are running away from it so fast. “Nope, not gonna die on this hill, sorry progs.”

    2. slave republic

      If the CSA was a “slave republic”, what does that make the USA up until 13A was ratified?

      1. Well the Civil War was about the noble quest to end slavery, not to preserve the territorial integrity of the empire. That’s why the North invaded the South in 1860… oh wait

        1. That’s what I was getting at. Lincoln, a lifetime racist, had no object to end slavery. He wanted power over people. He wanted to collect taxes. He built an empire by destroying the voluntary union of the founders. There is nothing inherently racist about the “stars & bars”.

          1. That’s why yesterday I said the Civil War was as much about slavery as the Revolutionary War was about slavery. The crowd who were thoroughly convinced of the veracity of their 5th grade history education were flipping out.

            1. Wars can be about a lot of things. Just because it wasn’t about slavery for the North doesn’t mean it wasn’t about slavery for the south. For the South it was all about slavery. The fact that the North didn’t want to end slavery in the South and the South still left the union and went to war over the fear that it would, just makes the South that much more wrong for leaving in the first place.

              1. The south saw federal power encroaching and didn’t like it so the legally left the union. Lincoln proved them right be invading them.

                The whole mess were in now is thanks to Lincoln.

                1. No. The South saw that Lincoln was going to stop slavery from spreading west and figured that eventually there would be enough free states to amend the Constitution and outlaw slavery. That is what the entire thing was about. The civil war really started when the Whigs sold out and changed the old Missouri Compromise and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act in the early 1850s. This embraced popular sovereignty and allowed Kansas to vote on Slavery. The south then immediately invaded from neighboring Missouri and tried to terrorize Kansas into voting slave. That was the end of the Whig party and really the beginning of the civil war. It wasn’t about federal power. That is nothing but horse shit made up later. It was about slavery and specifically its spread westward.

              2. For the south it was about secession. The secession’s primary cause was the potential abolition of slavery, which was seen as another nail in the coffin of northern interference in the affairs of the southern states. But the war itself, was secession. The South didn’t send troops to the North to make slavery more permanent. The North however, sent troops South claiming that the union of states was permanent.

                The fact that the North didn’t want to end slavery in the South and the South still left the union and went to war over the fear that it would, just makes the South that much more wrong for leaving in the first place.

                Makes them wrong for leaving? There was nothing unlawful about secession. They could have opted for secession because they feared the northerners were in league with lizard people, it doesn’t change the fact that their secession was lawful and the Union response was decidedly unlawful.

                1. When you succeed for the purpose of keeping millions in slavery, there most certainly is something wrong with succession. The South had no right to leave the union and keep millions of people forcibly in bondage and unable to leave. Imagine if California left the union today but then closed the borders and said anyone living there couldn’t leave if they didn’t want to leave the union. Would that be legal? They have a right to leave the union? By your logic it would be. Of course it wouldn’t be. They may have a right to leave the union but they don’t have a right to tell the people who live there they can’t leave and go back to the union if they want. And that is what the South did with its slaves.

                  1. Then in your example, grant California its freedom, and THEN get your warboner on and conquer them because they hate you for your freedoms or something.

                    Then, as your victory celebration, free the slaves.

                    Does that sound violent and oppressive? It’s no more violent and oppressive than *not* granting them their freedom in the first place. And it’s far more honest.

                    The very reason that those states wanted to secede was because of ideological and political disagreements. If they hadn’t, they wouldn’t have WANTED to secede, would they?

                    1. Yeah Igor, if another country kidnapped and enslaved a couple of million American citizens, the war to go and get them back would be totally legitimate. If you don’t think so and are so afraid of getting a war boner that you can’t support that, then your problem is you are a coward or you really think slavery was okay.

                  2. “The South had no right to leave the union and keep millions of people forcibly in bondage and unable to leave.”

                    The South had every legal right to do both under the Constitution.

                    “Imagine if California left the union today”

                    I imagine that every day.

                    1. Legal and moral are two different things. Did they have a technical legal right? Sure. But they didn’t have a moral right and the immorality of them doing it rendered their cause illegitimate. Sorry but going to war to maintain slavery makes your cause immoral and illegitimate. End of story.

                    2. Yes, talk about morals when your side had an invading army burning crops, destroying towns and killing innocent people with a president who jailed political dissenters and who put his entire nation under martial law.

                      Keep claiming that moral high ground. I can think of more, like starving their POWs.

                2. The South didn’t send troops to the North to make slavery more permanent.

                  Yes they did. They invaded Kansas. And the South also sent armed parties into Ohio and Indiana where they raided and kidnapped entire communities of free blacks on the premise they were escaped slaves. The south was aggressive, imperialistic and nasty as hell. They openly attacked the North and kidnapped free blacks from the north. That whole “the South was minding its own business” horse shit is a complete lie.

                  I would also add that the South was responsible for the Fugitive Slave act with forcibly made every Northern Citizen subject to being drafted to help capture runaway slaves. it was the most authoritarian laws ever passe din this country. The South was the aggressors in the conflict from day one.

                  1. None of those were government troops.

                    1. Doesn’t matter Arisuka. The Southern governments encouraged them and allowed them to operate. That is no different than if they had been government troops. You have an obligation to ensure people in your territory do not make war on your neighbors.

                    2. No, it matters. There is a big difference between an army and a band of hooligans fighting another band of hooligans. You forgot about that other band of hooligans.

                    3. No it doesn’t. One of the obligations of a government is to control its people such that they don’t make war on other states.

                      Moreover, the southern governments certainly did enforce the fugitive slave act. None of the confederate apologists ever want to talk about that. The South was a nasty imperialistic power and got exactly what it deserved. How the hell you can have any sympathy for a bunch of slave holders who raided the north and kidnapped blacks and their cause is beyond me.

                    4. “One of the obligations of a government is to control its people such that they don’t make war on other states.”

                      You mean like when Lincoln invaded the south? Secession is not illegal, invading other states is. None of the Union apologists ever want to talk about that.

                      The fugitive slave act was federal law. I don’t know what you’re trying to get at there.

        2. The North having its own sins doesn’t make the South’s sins any less.

          1. No one is defending slavery as a legitimate practice. Only defending secession as a legitimate. The North invaded the South to prevent a lawful secession, not to abolish slavery.

            1. Succession is only as legitimate as the purpose for which it was done. It is legitimate to run a business. It is not however legitimate to run a business that preys on other people and defrauds them. Same thing here. Just because the South had a right to succeed doesn’t mean it had a right to do so in order to keep millions of Americans in slavery. People who support the right to succession would do well to walk away from the Southern cause.

              1. So, the Southern States’ right to secede was conditional upon their motives?

                “The right to bear arms shall not be infringed, unless you’re the wrong kind of people”

                “Freedom of speech for me, but not for thee, dirtbag!”

                “We’ll quarter troops in your pantry because you’re a rich hater!”

                That’s a slippery, slippery slope John. Self-determination as long as we like you.

                1. No Igor, it is not conditioned upon their motives but their purpose. You can make an act illegitimate when you do it for illegitimate reasons. Do states have a right to leave the union? Sure. They do not however have a right to leave the union for the purpose of keeping millions in slavery.

                  Slavery is central to the entire issue and its immorality casts a shadow on everything. So many Libertarians can’t seem to understand that. They act like “oh yeah there was that slavery thing, but stopping secession was so much worse”. And then they wonder why they get called racists. They are not racists of course. They are just fucking stupid and let their stupidity make them look like they are.

                  1. Maybe you have hidden, incontrovertable proof of the motives of every actor involved in the generation or so leading up to the Civil War. I don’t have the luxury of knowing exactly what everyone actually thought (in contracst to what was said and recorded).

                    But you’re ascribing thought crimes to large, somewhat inhomogeneous populations, and I’m not confident that you’re qualified to tell us what everyone ‘actually thought’.

                  2. Slavery is central to the entire issue and its immorality casts a shadow on everything.

                    Indeed… How many “northern” slaves did the Emancipation Proclamation free?

              2. Succession is only as legitimate as the purpose for which it was done.

                Erm, no. The US is a country formed by secession, the British disagreed with their “purpose”. That certainly didn’t make the Continental Congress repudiate itself.

                It is not however legitimate to run a business that preys on other people and defrauds them. Same thing here.

                That’s a nebulous analogy to say the least.

                Just because the South had a right to succeed doesn’t mean it had a right to do so in order to keep millions of Americans in slavery.

                No one “has a right” to keep anyone in slavery. But that’s not the issue, obviously because the pre-13th Amendment US was every bit as much of a slave empire as the CSA was. And since at the time such a practice was unfortunately not outlawed in the US, that can hardly be cited as a reason to invalidate the right of southern states and indeed all of the states, to secede from the union.

                1. Yeah, that is the issue. The South’s cause was to preserve slavery. That made their cause immoral and illegitimate and their succession the same.

                  1. You keep claiming unerring confidence that you can see into the dark, immoral hearts of all those bad actors south of the Mason Dixon who were ‘slavers’, while ignoring the dark, immoral hearts of the bad actors in the north who also had no problem with slavery.

                    Nobody *today* can claim that the ownership of another human is moral, and sadly, back then, many people – both in the north and the south – were not awfully conflicted over the issue, but your projection (and demand) that Americans back then *must* adhere to your moral codes or have all their beliefs dismissed as illegitimate is pretty disgusting.

                    In 100 years’ time, most of your deepest held moral opinions may well be held in the same contempt, and by your reckoning, it would be right to condemn you as to the south.

                    Just to be clear – there’s no moral justification for one individual to own, or control the liberty of another. But your feelz and moral preening has no bearing on the south’s *legal* right to secede, regardless of what moral outrages they may have been guilty of.

                    1. Hypothetically, what would have been a legitimate justification for the south to secede John?

                      Did the fact that slavery was common in the south invalidate *any* legitimate claim to secede? What would they have had to correct – before their ‘right’ to secede would be granted?

                    2. It doesn’t matter how good or bad the North was Igor. That doesn’t make the south and their cause any better. Moreover, whether they started out intending it to happen or not, the triumph of hte North ended slavery. That made the North winning that war a good thing.

                      And yes, the South owned slaves and hte people there were willing to fight and die to keep them. That makes their cause an immoral one. That is really all there is to it. It was immoral and nothing but tremendous evil would have resulted in the South winning that war. Had the South won, millions of people would have remained in generational slavery. No amount of “but what about succession” makes that any better.

                      In 100 years’ time, most of your deepest held moral opinions may well be held in the same contempt, and by your reckoning, it would be right to condemn you as to the south.

                      Yes, it may well turn out I am wrong. So what? Everyone runs that risk. That doesn’t make me less wrong if in fact I am.

                    3. “Moreover, whether they started out intending it to happen or not, the triumph of hte North ended slavery. That made the North winning that war a good thing.”

                      625,000 Americans die and you call it a good thing. Something that would have ended peacefully as in EVERY OTHER NATION OF THE WORLD.

                    4. Most of Africa would disagree with you. SInce, you know, they are the only continent in the world that still has slaves.

    3. Since when do Republicans feel bashed by criticism of the Confederate flag? The party of Lincoln has indeed moved far from its roots.

    4. My observations, growing up in south Mississippi, have been that the Confederate flag isn’t used as a symbol of racism, but more of just a symbol of being anti-establishment. It’s a big middle finger to “The Man” in all forms, whether it be Uncle Sam, the pretentious New Yorker looking down his nose at the South, etc.

      There’s a line in the song “The Southern Thing” by the Drive-by Truckers: “It’s a little about some rebels, but it ain’t about the past.” That more or less sums it up, I think.

      1. That is exactly what it is and why the Progs hate it even thought they claim its the RACIST. This whole thing has nothing to do with racism or really even black people. Black people are almost bystanders. This is all about asshole white Progs wanting to stick it to other white people. That is it.

        1. That is exactly what it is and why the Progs hate it even thought they claim its the RACIST.

          That’s pretty much it. The “RACIST!!!11!!!!1!!” stuff is just more bullshit social signaling on their part. What they truly hate is that some rednecks are giving THEM a middle finger. Whether some black people are also offended by it is immaterial to them.

          If it was really all about racism, they would do more to oppose the drug war, stop and frisk in NYC (which many a NY proggie either ignored or outright supported), etc. The fact that they seem to care so little about actual racist policies like that is telling.

          1. Or ask themselves why black people are migrating back to the south in the millions. IF they are so enlightened, why don’t any black people want to live near them?

            1. Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the economic basketcases that they’ve turned northern and coastal cities such as Detroit, Cleveland, LA, NY, Pittsbutgh, Phili, etc. into could it? Nah, that’s crazy TeathugliKKKanbagger talk…

  16. I am reminded every day that an incredibly large percentage of people want nothing more than an enemy. Someone to hate, someone who deserves no rights or quarter. Someone against whom they can exert no principles, no integrity, but just bring the full force of their emotion without using reason or logic. It’s the source of KULTUR WAR, REGION WAR, race bullshit, you name it. And people absolutely love engaging in it.

    And it’s fucking repulsive.

    1. Just stop worrying and learn to hate the other already.

      1. I’m trying! Can you be the worst for a bit? That helps get my hate on.

        1. I always imagined that the Worst was always present for Nikki, kinda like the Force.

    2. Someone needs to listen to some Jefferson Airplane.

    3. Oh look, it’s a New York faggot whining about how the rednecks in flyover country don’t kiss his ass enough. Fuck off, you stupid New York faggot. Us real Americans don’t like your kind.

      1. “These are the kinds we like.”

        1. “Hey! Beautiful woman! We don’t like yer kind ’round here.”

          1. “Now Skeeter…”

    4. Lefties have to get their 2-minutes hate in every day.

      1. It’s not just “lefties”.

      2. Way to illustrate his point so nicely.

    5. That’s just what someone who’s white on the left side and black on the right side would say.

      1. “You monotone humans are all alike. First you condemn and then attack!”

  17. Walmart sells posters glamoring Che Guevara — anybody who hates Marxism should complain to them about that:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.co…..nist-thug/

    Apparently Target and Urban Outfitters have pulled Che related items in the past (see the above article).

    I agree, companies can stop selling items due to public outcry if they want, but it really is rather silly — they are only going to make the crazies angrier.

    1. Commie mass murderers get a pass because they meant well.

    2. “-they are only going to make the crazies angrier.”

      You don’t have to be unbalanced to enjoy counter-cultural symbology.

  18. Flags cause insanity and hatred. If only we had known about this sooner.

  19. Have they taken The Dukes of Hazzard off CMT yet?

    Incidentally, back in the day? Nobody looked at the roof of that sweet ’69 Charger and thought, “Well there go a couple of racists”.

    1. “Incidentally, back in the day?”

      Welcome to today.

      1. You’re right.

        Progressives have turned the Confederate flag into much more of a racist symbol than it was back in the ’80s.

        http://40.media.tumblr.com/bbe…..1_1280.jpg

        Congratulations.

        1. “Progressives have turned the Confederate flag into much more of a racist symbol”

          Would you rather have Progressives turning something else into a racist symbol, sparing the Flag of this indignity?

          1. I guess you’re right about that, too–the progressives probably wouldn’t exist without racist symbols, and if there aren’t any readily available, they can always manufacture them.

            Was that your point?

            1. “Was that your point?”

              There’s no guarantee that what was acceptable in 1969 will be acceptable today.

      2. Self flagellating hysteria over symbols is clearly a sign of enlightened modernity

        1. You got something against symbols? You think hysteria over symbols is a modern thing? There’s a strong streak of iconoclasm in many societies. I figure the US gets it from the Puritans, eternal enemies of the Cavaliers who had settled into the slave-owning south..

          1. So you prefer Penn St to UVA then?

            1. British history. King Charles vs Oliver Cromwell. My sympathies lie with Cromwell, an iconoclast who would have given Mao a run for his money,

                1. “I take it you’re not Irish, then?”

                  No more than I should be. I’m not supporting everything associated with Cromwell. I’d make a very poor monarchist, though.

                2. Heh. I have a friend who harbors a personal hatred of Cromwell for his actions 400 years ago. I think it’s a bit silly, myself.

          2. Self flagellating hysteria over symbols is clearly a sign of enlightened modernity.

            You think hysteria over symbols is a modern thing?

            I’m pretty certain that’s exactly what he wasn’t saying.

            1. Well, as it’s happening today, it’s clearly a modern thing. That doesn’t make it a new thing, though. Iconoclasm goes back centuries.

              1. So does your mealy-mouthed faux intellectualism

                1. “your mealy-mouthed faux intellectualism”

                  It’s not terribly impressive, I grant you, but it’s more than a match for whatever you’ve been able to muster.

    2. No one who actually lives in the South believes that today. The battle flag is as much a symbol of the region as RC Cola and Moon Pies, and it’s everywhere you look.

      One of the more interesting features of the region is that when you see it flying in someone’s yard–and Southerners seem to be much more fond of flag-waving, presumably because we’re still Scots-Irish savages at heart–you almost always see it flying next to the stars and stripes sans irony and occasionally the Gadsden flag.

      1. The Civil War was really a fight between the hated English north and the Scots-Irish south.

    3. There’s no way in hell they could get away with that show now. Not without causing a lot of proggie’s to get embolisms and die… Hmmm, that gives me an idea…

      ***The above is internet hyperbole and juvenile bluster, not to be taken as a true threat. The commenter does not have the resources or ability to attempt to re-make The Dukes of Hazard.***

  20. “We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer,” said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick.

    With all due respect, Bri, *much* of what you offer offends me.

    1. They’ve offended a lot of people who bought stuff with Confederate flags on it–and aren’t racists.

      1. But they didn’t *want* to!

    2. It offends me that Walmart cut the heart out of America and sold it to China.

  21. I went to the Duck Tape Festival this past weekend. It was a spectacular exhibition of Ohio at its best. In addition to the fantastic duct tape gowns and duct tape floats and sadly non-duct tape carnival rides, there were the standard vendors selling county fair bullshit. One of the vendors was a black guy selling big ridiculous belt buckles, and at least half of them had the Confederate flag. I have no idea what this means, but it reinforces my preexisting beliefs, whatever those are. I really wish I had bought the 2pac belt buckle he had, though.

    1. I bet at least thirty percent of the rest were weed related.

    2. I bet at least thirty percent of the rest were weed related.

    3. There was some modified CSA battle flag–with different colors, I think–that was supposed to represent “the South” without offending blacks.

      One thing that I think many of these leftists miss is that a great many blacks consider themselves to be southern in many respects. I noticed that when talking to black colleagues originally from southern states when I worked in Ohio. We were more alike in our strangers-in-a-strange-land viewpoints than different.

      1. Did you ever read Sowell’s book about how American blacks are indistinguishable from southern white trash? It’s obvious in hindsight, but it’s not something you normally think about.

        1. And some of that goes with middle-class people from the region, too. A great test of this is to send black Americans and white Americans to a sub-Saharan nation and see just how little the black Americans have in common with the black Africans and how much they have in common with their fellow Americans. It’s not race, it’s just differences in subcultures, which are often dramatically overstated. Take away differences in economic class, and those differences really begin to fade.

  22. One of the vendors was a black guy selling big ridiculous belt buckles, and at least half of them had the Confederate flag. I have no idea what this means,

    The Dude Soulless moneygrubbing entrepreneurial capitalism abides.

  23. A flag has upstaged mass murder. This is surely some twisted form of progress.

    1. Yeah, meanwhile, how many blacks are sitting in jail in South Carolina on bullshit marijuana charges?

    2. Like I said yesterday: we all know which is the bad word in the phrase “racist murder”.

  24. So have the actors who played in the Dukes of Hazzard reboot been formally denounced and shot yet?

    (Munches racist popcorn)

    1. Why would you want Jessica Simpson or Wilie Nelson shot?

      1. Well I figured the symbolic cleansing won’t stop with Walmart

          1. He has some kind of store in Gatlinburg. Guess that’s got to go, too.

      2. Shoot Willie Nelson – keep Simpson.

  25. This will be the down fall to the greatest country on the planet. too many leaches think they are entitled to other peoples earnings. ????? http://www.Workweb40.com

    1. Sometimes you make sense, Lou. But this one was on the wrong thread.

      1. He’s just getting his Adolph on…

  26. It seems to me that destroy all avenues of purchase of these items will only serve to create an air of collectability and drive up the price.

    1. I am buying Lynyrd Skynyrd t-shirts as fast as I can

      1. Make sure to get lots of XXXL and XXXXL. Trust me….

    2. We really don’t need seventeen different kinds of flags,

  27. their customers

    The problem is there are many different types of customers. Many of whom don’t agree with each other on many things. The retailers ordered and carried the confederate merchandise for a good while now because they must have at least some customers willing to purchase them. So at least we know there’s some business interest.

    If it were against their own ideological interest, then they wouldn’t have carried them in the first place. Now they can certainly do what they want, but it’s disingenuous and caving in to a PR campaign of a tiny vocal campaign, most of whom probably aren’t in the areas where the flags and confederate merchandise is bought doesn’t seem like a great business strategy to me.

    It’s ironic how large corporations who interests it is to serve as wide a variety of customers as possible–not lowest common denominator but many different denominators–are so easily susceptible to pressure (government pressure, social pressure from this group or that group).

    If I had my way, I’d set up an umbrella corporation with many subsidiaries specializing in something and/or targeting certain demographics exactly to mitigate these situations.

    1. I were a business owner facing threats of boycott from people who don’t shop at my store anyway, I’d tell them to fuck off. But that’s just me.

      1. Dude! Everyone knows that proggies who hate Wal-Mart and constantly lobby to use the force of the state to prohibit their building stores are Wal-Mart’s best customers!

  28. This is related and delightful. Look at that woman lose her fool head over two syllables.

  29. In1860 3,000 free blacks owned around 20,000 black slaves. 5% of white southerns owned slaves while 28% of free blacks owned slaves. Only 1.4% of all whites owned slaves. Thousands of blacks fought for the Confederacy.

  30. I think the confederate flag should be allowed, but only on the roofs of sporty two-door automobiles.

    1. I’m having custom canvas made for my Mustang convertible as we speak.

      *give Rebel yell*

      1. Wait, does that mean the Billy Idol song has to be pulled from the airwaves?

        1. yes. better pull White Wedding too.

          1. Oh, my. English racism!

  31. Judge them all you want, but attempting to stop individuals from engaging in trade over confederate symbols or memorabilia will not purge the symbols from American society. Instead it will breed resentment, backlashes, claims of censorship, and even more angry paranoia.

    It’s not paranoia if they’re really out to get you.

  32. Black market flags – they haven’t banned sewing machines.

    1. All those mandatory Home Ec classes in Junior High might finally pay off

    2. We can wait for a breathless submission to Salon.

      “I stitched my own Stars and Bars, and it was fabulous!”

  33. Does this mean radio stations will FINALLY stop playing Billy Idol?

    1. Wow. That’s an awesome link. 😀

  34. Oh boy, here we go again…

  35. We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer.

    BS. There are huge swatches of screaming feminists who are offended by Barbie, and they still carry that.

    1. But but, if Barbie was a real person she wouldn’t be able to walk! Hear me! WOULDN’T. BE. ABLE. TO. WALK.

  36. EBay has announced it will ban the flags. I’ve updated the post.

    1. You do realize how insane that is don’t you Scott? Some nut goes berserk and shoots a bunch of people and the answer is to ban a flag? Really? That is how stupid we are now?

      1. It’s low bar politics. Instead of the Devil, the FLAG made him do it.

        Blame the flag, ban the flag and save your political hide.

      2. Most of the time, religious people don’t bother me much, but these animists are really starting to piss me off.

        1. Animist is a good word. These people are not worthy of being called religious. They are too fucking primitive to warrant that.

      3. That is how stupid we are now?

        Yep.

    2. But until they ban sewing machines – THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN

      1. But until they ban sewing machines cotton-filament 3D printers – THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN

        Sewing machines are too anachronistic and don’t provide enough carryover to other political causes.

    3. I’m confused by “items containing the image.” Are books about the Civil War no longer acceptable? The complete first season of “Dukes of Hazard”? This strikes me as over-broad and reactionary….

      1. Are books about the Civil War no longer acceptable?

        It depends on how fawning the book is over Abe Lincoln. If it gives old Abe a wet sloppy BJ and presents the North as the noble goodthinking people that EVERYONE KNOWS they were and ALL southerners as slave owning racist redneck crackers, then it’s allowed, other wise, throw it on the bonfire.

        The complete first season of “Dukes of Hazard”?

        Righthinking people would never stoop to watching a show featuring a gas guzzling muscle car with an intolerant symbol of hate painted on the roof that objectifies poor Katherin Bach like that show did. And since righthinking people wouldn’t watch such vile trash, no one else should be allowed to either. /progtard

    4. Do they plan to ban all of the various hip hop gear that uses the N word too?

      1. Don’t be silly, they’ll just deny white people the ability to buy them. That word is only offensive and hateful when a white person uses it, when a black person uses it it means love and brotherhood.

  37. UPDATE: eBay has informed BuzzFeed in a statement that the will ban the sale of Confederate flags and items containing the image.

    Even better! We’ll then have a Black Market for this stuff! Higher profits! Excitement!

    Thank you, American infantile oversensitiveness!

    1. I was about to reply “Seriously, it’s as though they don’t understand how markets work,” but then I realized that’s exactly the case.

  38. OK, eBay’s decision is damn insulting. They’re not producing and selling flags, they exist to facilitate exchanges between people. I should be able to buy a Confederate flag, or a Nazi flag, if that’s what I want. Screw you, ebay.

    …Though I also suspect this will be quietly dropped not long from now.

    1. Yeah, give it a week or two and the whole thing will blow over

    2. I’m not even sure how eBay is still in business, though I guess they’re still awash in cash from going public. They shit all over small sellers now and charge them to death. What good is eBay if I can’t find obscure stuff? I’ve got Amazon already.

      I wonder if Craigslist will do anything?

  39. If this isn’t enough to make you want to buy a Confederate flag I honestly do not know what will; same as threatening to ban any type of weapon. My preference being the First National Flag [most people do not even recognize what is is].

    1. I’ve heard racist/radical talk aimed at people who fly the Gadsden or Culpeper flags. Even before the Tea Party movement? WTF?

      1. There is something obviously revolutionary about the Gadsden flag, and I think that’s what scares people.

        That’s probably why I like it!

        Both that it’s revolutionary and that it scares people.

        I don’t see it as racist in any way. I think people tend to think that anything they’re afraid of, these days, is racist in character.

  40. I hope the Redskins change their name to the Confederate Rebels.

    1. Nope. That still counts as racist. See Ole Miss.

      1. Yeah, I’m looking for someone to remain purposely obnoxious in public–just so people understand there’s a right to that, you know.

        Not only do you not have a right not to be offended, other people have a right to be offensive.

        No really.

  41. Actually, when I was a kid, Dunc Wilson used to play goalie with an old school Jason style mask styled like a Confederate flag.

    Here’s a picture:

    http://www.goaliesarchive.com/…..wilson.jpg

    I think I’d rather be in a fight with Jason himself!

  42. Updated again because Amazon has joined the ban.

    1. I am sooo glad I bought my Confederate Flag T-shirt before he changed his mind. Saying I can’t have one, is the surest way I know to make me want one.

      1. Bingo.

        I would never in a million years want to own or display a rebel flag, but by God, if you are going to tell me I can’t have one because Amazon and WalMart are scared of offending SJW’s, then I’m buying one.

        I hope this guy makes a gazillion dollars, but I’m inclined to believe that it’s better than even money that his current web host will eventually shut him down and he’ll be driven to the periphery of the web.

      2. Bingo.

        I would never in a million years want to own or display a rebel flag, but by God, if you are going to tell me I can’t have one because Amazon and WalMart are scared of offending SJW’s, then I’m buying one.

        I hope this guy makes a gazillion dollars, but I’m inclined to believe that it’s better than even money that his current web host will eventually shut him down and he’ll be driven to the periphery of the web.

  43. I just bought a truck load of this stuff. Along with North Carolinian cigarettes, this is going to be a very, very good year for me.

    1. Thank you race hustlers, liars, bloveators, ignoramuses, idiots, clueless, miseducados, and the rest. Your Pyrrhic victory just inflated my retirement fund. I this a great country or what?

  44. I’m offended by eggs, and flip flops, and pool toys. Will they remove those for me so I don’t have to be offended when I walk into their stores?

    1. Nah, you’re probably a white male, and therefore you have no victim cred to base a play for banning on.

  45. This just in:

    “Walmart announced today that it is giving away free shovels to anyone who will dig up a Confederate soldier and urinate on his remains. Those that feel they may not be able to urinate will be given free left over deer urine from last deer season.”

  46. And now Warner Bros. won’t license the General Lee unless it doesn’t have the flag on it’s roof. This is what you get for appeasing them, you pussies. You can’t just give them a tiny slice of your pie and expect them to not come back and take the rest.

  47. One other flag that supported slavery was the Stars and Stripes. Is that why there is such a hate America thing going on.

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