Charleston shooting

Charleston Shooter Dylann Roof's Racist Manifesto

On what appears to be his website: "We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet."

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Henry Krinkle and Emma Quangel have uncovered what appears to be the website of Dylann Roof, the man who murdered nine people in a Charleston church earlier this week. (The site was registered in February of this year, and Quangel reports that she confirmed Roof's responsibility with a reverse whois search.) The site, called The Last Rhodesian, contains a zip file full of photos of Roof in various poses, often armed, sometimes with a Confederate flag, sometimes trampling or burning an American flag. And it contains a manifesto, which doesn't leave any room for doubt—in case anyone still had any—about the author's worldview. Here is a sample:

I think it is is fitting to start off with the group I have the most real life experience with, and the group that is the biggest problem for Americans.

Niggers are stupid and violent. At the same time they have the capacity to be very slick. Black people view everything through a racial lense. Thats what racial awareness is, its viewing everything that happens through a racial lense. They are always thinking about the fact that they are black. This is part of the reason they get offended so easily, and think that some thing are intended to be racist towards them, even when a White person wouldnt be thinking about race. The other reason is the Jewish agitation of the black race.

If you have the stomach for it, you can read the rest here, including his thoughts on East Asians ("They are by nature very racist and could be great allies of the White race") and Jews. ("Unlike many White naitonalists, I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity.") But the most chilling comment comes at the end:

I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

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  1. The quality of manifestos produced by our mass murderers has really gone down hill since the Unabomber.

    1. I, for one, support the comic potential of a peer review process for psychopaths’ manifestos.

      1. We already have that in the various global warming focused scientific journals

    2. Well, he was a certified genius.

      1. And there’s nothing like 20 years in an isolated cabin to give a guy time for editing.

    3. The Unabomber was extremely well educated. Roof dropped out of school after 9th grade. So that is a difference.

      Most other mass murderers have extreme mental illnesses…

      1. And the Unabomber was more of a serial killer than a mass killer. A lot of them are very smart.

    4. At like 30,000 pages though, one thing he did not understand was that brevity is the soul of wit.

  2. How open-minded of him to consider American and European Jews white. You won’t hear that from just any run-of-the-mill racist.

    1. Well, Jews are still an enigma to him. If only we could turn them all blue for 24 hours, maybe we could solve the Jewish Enigma that has plagued us for so long…

      1. You know who else had an Enigma?

        1. My old Gateway 2000 computer?

    2. They do tend to view white gentiles as a hostile out-group despite everyone’s insistence that you’re an evil person for noticing.

  3. “Black people view everything through a racial lense. Thats what racial awareness is, its viewing everything that happens through a racial lense. They are always thinking about the fact that they are black. This is part of the reason they get offended so easily, and think that some thing are intended to be racist towards them, even when a White person wouldnt be thinking about race.”

    i am betting i can find an almost identical statement in multiple articles @ Salon in the last 6 months

    1. It really is a reverse of a lot of leftist rants, which I guess makes sense. Whites flee the suburbs and lie about the reasons, he says. Besides his crappy writing, a number of his points would fit right into a Slate/Salon article on race.

      1. “It really is a reverse of a lot of leftist rants,”

        You Think?

        1. That article is ranting about an article written about a Jewish kid who refuses to apologize for white privilege. My favorite example of white privilege highlighted in the article:
          the convergence of racism and sexism that leaves women of color disproportionately impacted by domestic violence

          So, white privilege is responsible for women of color being in abusive relationships that are most likely with…men of color. Basically, every statistical gap that exists between whites and blacks is just passed off as proof of ‘white privilege.’ Cause and effect don’t need to be shown.

          1. That’s got to be in the top ten examples of why politics is the mindkiller.

        2. A quick look at their rhetoric reveals the unsettling fact that the average white supremacist is basically just an SJW for white people. Jared Taylor is basically an attempted white Jesse Jackson.

      2. Besides his crappy writing, a number of his points would fit right into a Slate/Salon article on race.

        Nothing gets into Slate/Salon that isn’t crappy writing (thinking).

        1. I meant to say his writing is even crappier.

        2. The writing on Salon tends actually to be pretty good, *as writing.* It just tends to be devoid of any real content or thinking. In fact, I think the average Salon writer/audience does not know the difference between “well written” and “well thought-out.”

    2. I’m betting I can find the same sentiments in the comments section on this website.

        1. Except I’m not interested in tickling his tummy.

          1. It is a scientific fact that the cure for socialism is a tummy tickle.

            1. Does he lift his hind leg too, just like Rover?

              1. Amsoc likely sits when he pees.

            2. If only….I’d be running around with a feather all day long.

          2. With the taste of nuts…….and honey?

        2. Hey Crusty, show him your m00bs.

          1. For the record, I have moob-less. At the most you could say I am sporting a pair of chesticles, but that is being generous.

            1. I *am* moob-less. There. Now you know what I mean.

      1. Same sentiments as what, shit for brains? You won’t find any libertarian here who advocates for going out and shooting people, or who is arguing that black people are racially inferior or different from whites. And if anyone did advocate those things, they’d be shouted down.

        Disagreeing with the narrative of the left on race doesn’t make one racist. Shouting that repeatedly in your echo chambers won’t make it true, either.

        And the blatant stupidity of the SJW movement has encouraged enough resentment and backlash to set back race relations a generation or more.

        1. And the blatant stupidity of the SJW movement has encouraged enough resentment and backlash to set back race relations a generation or more.

          this cannot be echoed enough. Blanket accusations of sexism or racism for those not in lock step with the left’s group think is not sharp strategy. Sometimes, I think it’s the point so you have someone like this guy and the left can stand back and claim, “see, I told you; racist whites.”

          1. is not sharp strategy

            Strategy is characterized by making long-term plans and delaying gratification to meet future goals. So, no, don’t expect anything like strategy from the left’s politicians.

            Or the right’s either.

            1. Well, elections don’t occur in the long-term, distant future; they’re always just around the corner, so that’s in infinite goal. No incentive to plan for the distant future.

        2. “The blatant stupidity of the SJW movement has encouraged enough resentment and backlash to set back race relations a generation or more.”

          of course there’s absolutely nothing ‘privileged’ about white people insisting that magazines run by rich white liberals speak on behalf of 100% of all ‘minorities’ and the poor. no one understands urban black life better than suburban white women who attended Bard, Antioch, or Oberlin

        3. This is hilarious because AS’s constant apologia for Soviet atrocities is one of the scummiest things in the comments. He’s trying to lecture us on our behaviour while excusing literally millions of dead. Everytime he accuses anyone of scummy behaviour or lack of principles he acts the exact same way. He’s literally so stupid and arrogant he’s incapable of being self aware.

          1. Buttplug has more wit than amsoc

            Think about that

            1. He’s also shockingly less egoistical than AS. The way AS writes like he thinks his idiotic fallacies and “OMG I can’t even…” statements are actually substantial and brilliant is hilarious. People throw the term ‘Dunning-Kruger effect’ around a lot but goddamn if AS isn’t a case study waiting to happen.

      2. I’ll wait. Show me someone who post white supremacists shit that doesn’t get mercilessly ripped by the regulars.

        1. He needs time to create the sock puppet first.

        2. I recall Amsoc getting ripped for referring to Mexicans as wetbacks. Maybe it was PB but I recall it being AS.

      3. You are betting you can? You don’t have google? Stop betting and go ahead and find them. Show us. Show the world.

          1. HimStoled it!

      4. You can certainly find similar sentiments in a good deal of Marx’s letters to Engels and vice-versa.

        Or in Marx’s work “The Poverty of Philosophy” where he defends slavery.

        “Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy, the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.”

      5. I’m betting you cannot.

      6. Racists are collectivists, just like you, shithead.

        -jcr

      7. “I’m betting I can find the same sentiments in the comments section on this website.”

        A lot of dispossessed resentful losers post here.

        1. Don’t be so hard on yourself t-man.

        2. Um, pretty sure we’re generally the ‘possessed’ ones who are trying to keep resentful failures and parasites like you from dispossessing us.

          1. “parasites like you”

            You mean parasites like me and black people. Referring to anyone as a parasite is the Reason commenter at his or her ugliest.

            1. Why not “parasites like me and Jews” or “parasites like me and redheads” while you’re busy projecting your own moral inadequacies onto others?

              I mean parasites like you, white little mtrueman; people who think it’s their right to live at the expense of what they can extort through other via the state; and worse, people who laugh away injustices they would like to ignore with the canard “adapt or die.”

              In addition to possessing a healthy dose of indolence, you seem like a genuine sociopath. So yes, I’m willing to bet you have a parasitic relationship with the rest of the human population. Sometimes, the truth is indeed ugly.

              1. *what they can extort from others via the state…

                @Reason: my birthday is coming up, get me a fucking edit button!

              2. “I mean parasites like you,”

                In that case we’re talking at cross purposes. Blacks as a group are often referred to as parasites on this board. My own particular moral failings are neither relevant nor interesting,

                1. “Blacks as a group are often referred to as parasites on this board.”
                  And mtrueman regularly strangles hookers in his basement.

                  See, saying something doesn’t actually make it true.

                  1. “See, saying something doesn’t actually make it true.”

                    You need to pay more attention. Blacks are regularly excoriated here as parasites for trading on the grievances of their forefathers instead of being like normal people.

                    1. No they are not. I’ve been paying better attention than you apparently.

      8. You can find people dismayed by all of the people of various colors who view everything through the lens of race, but you won’t find anyone saying that that is an inherent characteristic of black people which makes them inferior or means they must be killed.

        1. I was thinking the exact opposite reading his words, saying blacks are racist and violent. Then he targets them based on race, and murders them.

          Total projection.

    3. Play along and keep score with ‘Stormfront or SJW”:

      https://youtu.be/Z-ZX5V4Qft4

      1. This is awesome.

      2. Hahaha +2

    4. LVL20 Blowhard

      Were those levels *earned*, or did you convince your DM to award them just because?

      I had to earn my levels in foolery the hard way, one experience point at a time.

  4. Niggers are stupid and violent.

    Shit-heeled wannabe Rhodesians seem to be winning on the ‘stupid and violent’ scale buddy.

    1. Yeah, ironic coming from a moronic simpleton who dropped out of school, and went on the achieve the status of “mass murderer”

      1. His analysis was niggardly.

  5. Wow!

    It’s amazing that in an era where supposedly conservative whites are in a foment because of racial animus, yet this guy felt alone…

    I think this shooting really pushes home how thoroughly the white terrorism against blacks that helped maintain the Jim Crow era social order has over the past 60 years been completely suppressed.

    1. Yeah, white racist goes in and shoots black people because they are black. Commenter at Reason derives lesson that we’ve moved on to a post-racial society. In-fucking-credible.

      1. Doesn’t even get a facepalm.

        *Tommy Lee Jones’ slow stare, then returns to coffee cup*

      2. Amsoc tried to have a thought. Keep at it, buddy. You’ll get there someday!

        1. He is trying so hard! Failing at trolling…that must make a person feel really sad on the inside.

          1. Didn’t he also fail at home ownership. then bragged about it?

            1. His wife apparently signed the mortgage contract that she didn’t understand. Because, you know, women can’t be expected to understand math, finances, or contracts. So he hired a lawyer and eventually got the contract terminated. He didn’t get to keep the house though. So they basically rented when they thought they were in the process of owning.

      3. *Commenter at Reason excuses the deaths of millions because the thugs in power speak empty rhetoric about ‘worker’s paradise’, is stupid enough to buy it.*

        Shockingly AS your history of pure idiocy doesn’t necessarily make you a judge of it.

      4. Did the nurse forget to change your undy-wear?

      5. Yeah.. the progressive left have only waited for almost 7 years, looking their elusive racist rightwing terrorist nutjob, in every murder, it’s their unicorn. Gabriele Gifford, James Holmes, even George Zimmerman.. they would try to spin a narrative, but it wouldn’t stick.. By god, this time they think they found one, honest straight up walking talking living proof of both, unicorns.. and white America’s violent, unrepentant racism.. and they’re going to rub everybody’s face in it, as they shout it from the roof tops..

      6. You know who else was a socialist?

        1. American Socialist?

        2. Don’t forget, a socialist of his/her nation? Which is to say a national socialist…

      7. Yes, anyone looking at this chart would never get the impression we’re in a post-racial society.

      8. I though in your febrile mind guys like this automatically had the keys to the city? If your version of reality were true, all the GOP candidates would be calling him a national hero, wouldn’t they? You know, the way your ilk like to celebrate genocidal dictators?

    2. And yet people are leaping to the opposite conclusion all over the place. Kind of depressing.

    3. The “lone wolf racist” tells his black friend he’s going to shoot up the college in a week – and thought nothing was wrong with Dylann wearing Rhodesian and South African patches. This is quite an enigma.

  6. Ignorant, sad, and pathetic

  7. He complains there aren’t enough white supremacists, so he kills defenseless church goers and thinks that will swell the ranks of racist? Yeah, not only crazy, but stupid.

  8. He’s like a progressive’s wet dream.

  9. I hate to see any good news here, but this Web site is consistent with the “lone nut” thesis – so hopefully he acted alone and without the backing of others.

    1. I mean, he pretty much said he was a lone wolf because he was the only one willing to do something other than talk. I don’t expect his own words to change the narrative though.

      1. the narrative will pick and choose the words that advance the narrative. The racial stuff will be gospel, the loner aspect ignored.

  10. “The Last Rhodesian”, now in a zoo like many other endangered animals.

    1. He’s not even a real Whenwe.

  11. “We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet.”

    So even by this sick shit’s estimation, active hate groups aren’t available and he was ostensibly trying to find them to join. Doesn’t seem to jive with the SPLC narrative.

    1. But he represents all of white america or at least the south.

    2. Ergo it will be rejected, and new definitions for “active”, “hate” and “groups” provided.

      1. Pretty much. What’s hilarious is that its just as kooky as the Alex Jones HAARP kind conspiracy shit, but no one calls them on their bullshit. All to sell fear to rake in them greenbacks…

  12. So even by this sick shit’s estimation, active hate groups aren’t available and he was ostensibly trying to find them to join. Doesn’t seem to jive with the SPLC narrative.Last weekend, the long-awaited mid-century modern credenza my husband and I had purchased arrived at our home. But it wasn’t carried in by two heavy lifters in white gloves. Rather, a 60-some year old woman stood at the door and pointed us to the 35-foot moving truck that contained the seven-foot-long, solid teak beauty. “I have a bad shoulder”, she explained as she led us toward the truck. Uh oh.
    ???? ????? ???? ???????

    1. “Doesn’t seem to jive with the SPLC narrative.”

      ANOTHER commenter derives the same lesson. A racist kills a bunch of Black people. Look at how not racist our society is! I think I ‘m going to NAthan Bedford Forrest Park today so I can celebrate how much we’ve moved on.

      1. You’re not supposed to go full-retard.

        1. Definitely. Nathan Bedford Forrest repudiated his racist ways in his old age and then started working for racial reconciliation.

          1. I know. Albert Speer repudiated the Nazi regime he built aircraft and tanks for too!

            1. who’s my cute little socialist? you’re my cute little socialist! you are! you are!!

            2. It’s cute that you think you have a point.

            3. So did Bob Byrd, but I imagine you forgive him. Remind me again what political party had the KKK as its military wing?

      2. I know right?!? Preach on. Every single day a white racist goes on a shooting spree and…

        Hold on…

        I’m just getting told this is in fact not the case. Sorry. Am Soc is a moron.

        1. Considering he just tried start an argument with a spambot, how smart could he be?

      3. He’s responding to a spambot. Amsoc is a fucking moran.

        1. That’s insulting to fucking morans.

        2. Why doesnt some enterprising leftist (a contradiction in terms, I know) start a site populated only with bots and trolls. They could program the bots to be as racist as their fever dream caricature of non-progs takes them. Imagine the repartee between amsoc and racist funny bot, for example.

        3. “He’s responding to a spambot. Amsoc is a fucking moran comedy mastermind…”

        4. And he got schooled by a spambot. Think about that.

      4. Again AS, you’re a person who saw totalitarian regimes who killed millions of people by both malice and incompetence, and said “Yeah, that’s the perfect system I want.” You don’t get to act like their arguments are absurd when your whole rationalization of your politics is absurd.

      5. “,. . . .look at how not racist our society is . . . !”. You think otherwise?

      6. Jeez, we really need to get a better group of trolls. I mean, it just feels bad replying to a troll who argues with a spambot. Getting the best of such a stunted intellect wouldn’t be any point of pride for me.

  13. So basically this just proves the kid was a lifelong loser that couldn’t even find acceptance among White Nationalists so he decided to do something to make himself feel important.

    But at least he’s a lone whacko, not that we can expect the media to stop the narrative that he was inspired by Fox News or South Carolina culture.

    1. The confederate flag on the state house lawn made him do it.

      1. I say it’s past time we erase the civil war from the history books! In fact, let’s stop teaching history! Who’s with me?!?

        1. +1 Memory Hole

        2. Those smartie-pants can learn their history from mockumentaries and children’s movies, like everyone else.

        3. Or maybe we should view Confederate generals the same way we view the S.S.

          1. As socialists?

            1. Spot on..

          2. Confederate generals ethnically cleansed entire populations from territories they captured in wars of aggression and conquest?

          3. Yea, cause the CSA had death camps and murder squads that went around butchering their way across the US at the orders of Jeff Davis. Oh, wait….

            1. the CSA had death camps

              I’m hard pressed to describe Andersonville any other way, but it’s not like the Union had entirely clean hands when it came to their POW camps either.

              1. Confederate prisons were overcrowded because the Yankees refused to exchange prisoners.The Yankees didn’t have the excuse of poverty and lack of provisions either.

                My only War of Northern Aggression combatant-ancestor was a Yankee conscript who caught TB at Andersonville.

          4. I didn’t know Confederate generals exterminated human beings on a mass scale and committed numerous acts of atrocities in several countries.

            Who. Knew?

            1. You have Confederate Generals confused with General Sherman on his vacation trip to the East Coast.

          5. Considering you view the Soviets in a positive light, rather than as authoritarian murderers, your opinion on how we should interpret history means amazingly little.

        4. Barack Obama

    2. It actually appears he was ‘inspired’ more by the perceived selective reporting of the MSM,
      “At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?”….are they now going to accept their complicity?

  14. What? You mean even the killer himself thinks that white America isn’t sufficiently racist?

    That should be news to the hordes of white liberals out their flagellating themselves for being too colonial or something.

    1. To be fair, a pro-KKK, pro-skinhead, pro-apartheid, “let’s-slaughter-the-worthless-blacks” kid saying the country is not racist enough is like Charles Bukowski complaining his drink isn’t strong enough.

      1. I’m gonna go get a drink at one of Bukowski’s spots today.

        http://www.therenoroom.com/about.html

  15. Conclusion: ban manifestos.

    I look forward to the hundreds of half-witted articles that will be written about this little evil monster. They will be productive and help to improve our society

    1. The media attention is what they crave, and they always get it.

      His ‘awakening’ as a real racist came because of what he perceived as biased reporting over the Trayvon Martin case (and in reality, it was biased). The media will focus instead on how he talks about going to a conservative site to see examples of black on white violence alone.

      It’s far simpler and truer to just say that he was a dimwitted whack job and his ideas aren’t worth discussing. But no one’s lobby horse gets fed that way.

      1. “Lobby horse”. I like it.

        1. It really is perfect for hire D.C. operates.

            1. Smokem peace pipe?

        2. Moral high horse verses lobby horse . . . Who let the horse out?

          1. Don’t look a lobby horse in the mouth. Or for that matter, a woodchipper either.

    2. I like you as a person, and we should drink caffeinated beverages together some time.

    3. If we just ban freedom of speech, personal websites, and Wikipedia pages on the history of Rhodesia and South Africa, this will never, ever happen again.

      1. Or ban the cross. Cuz, the KKK might claim it and burn it

        1. That’s actually pretty high on the prog agenda.

          1. There are a lot of prog Christians out there.

      2. “If it saves just one child’s life…”

    4. Better to be safe. Ban bowl hair cuts too.

      1. Did he get his hair cut with a woodchipper?

        1. Flowbee

        2. Super Cuts Chips

        3. Why do you hate Asians?

  16. If we reserved it for deranged monsters like this I would start supporting the death penalty. I can’t be rational here. Nothing will please me more than to see this scum put down like a rabid dog.

    1. While I agree with the sentiment, I think that locking up someone like this (or the Tsarnev brother) at a place like SuperMax is worse than death. He should not just get to die that easily.

    2. I subscribe to life in prison being worse than death, but the only real opposition I have to the death penalty is from the remaining uncertainty over the guilt of the individuals executed.

      In this case that doesn’t exist. If the families of the victims want him dead, let them have him. If they don’t, let the state lock him in a cage for life. I couldn’t care less.

      1. I agree with you that he committed the crime. I also agree that in some sort of state-of-nature situation, there’s no moral principle that makes killing him wrong.

        But I think the problem with this idea is that we already have a system in place that claims that we only kill people when we *know* they’re guilty. What a success that is, right?

        We all know he’s guilty, but when any crime is committed, every prosecutor and every cop and every family member of a victim know that, too. When we just know, even when the evidence is overwhelming, prejudice and poor reasoning become issues. Once we set that precedent morally that the death penalty is okay when we know for sure that a person is guilty, then that’s really no different than the limit on this exercise of power currently in play – which is to say, an inadequate limit on the use of state force.

        So I am sympathetic to your argument because I feel confident he’s guilty and I think he deserves to die, the moral questions about the state’s use of the death penalty haven’t changed for me.

        1. ^^^^ very bicely expressed. Agree.

        2. This country put to death a bad man that did not commit the crime everyone knew he did.

          I’m good with the constitutionally carrying adult that exercises their right to defend themselves and shoots (and kills) a person while in the act of evil such as murdering folks at a Bible study. But if tht doesn’t happen the state gets involved as does corruption, ineptitude, and a rush to “solve” the case as well as a large margin of error.

      2. I believe the families have more compassion than I.

  17. If you have the stomach for it, you can read the rest here, including his thoughts on East Asians

    I do not Jesse, so thank you for the summary.

    1. I can stomach it, I just won’t waste time on a loser’s ramblings.

      1. I can stomach it

        There is no need to taunt me with your excessive masculinity.

    2. I read it. Remember some folks speculating that a white girl shot him down in favor of a black guy? This line reminded me of that speculation:

      I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop.

      1. Seems plausible.

        Is it all barely coherent like that?

    3. Does he think East Asians are the master race?

  18. Haven’t heard a word about how many shots he fired, how many times he reloaded, etc.
    Was there time for a “Let’s roll” moment against this asshole criminal or did everyone cower in a corner until he decided to leave?

    1. I’m curious about this as well. I was horrified to read that most of the victims of the VA Tech massacre cowered and waited for it to be over. I hope it’s not true. A professor who had survived the holocaust fought back and died if I remember correctly.

    2. He reloaded 5 times from a standard mag. So yeah, I do wonder why no one attempted to intervene during any of those 5 reloaded times.

      Most people will cower or flee in that situation but I’m always hopefully that there exists at least one person that can fight back (not that it would likely be me in such a situation, to be honest).

      1. 5 times!? Gotta say, that should take a pretty long time. If this wasn’t a very big church, then almost everyone in the church would have been able to rush him or make for the exit before he reloaded at least a few times. How crowded was the church and how many people got away? Was there a bottleneck at the entrance?

        As you can guess I really don’t feel like reading the articles on this.

      2. A young man rose up and took a bullet meant for the first victim, I believe an 83-year old woman.

    3. I’ve never been shot at creech, have you?

      1. I haven’t been aimed at, but I’ve been around when shooting broke out. When you’re not expecting it, it’s difficult to react quickly, coherently, and rationally.

        1. My cousin was at a party where shooting broke out and his friend wrestled the gun away from the guy. I can’t say I would have had the presence of mind to do the same, but I hope I would.

          1. I’ve never been in a situation in which the shooting endured for any significant period, just happened to have been on the street a few times (longtime resident of Oakland CA) when shooting broke out, but in those situations (in my experience) the people involved scatter and disappear really quickly. If shooting persisted and I were actually in danger, I would like to think I would respond in an effective way, but you never really know until you’re there in the situation.

            1. My parents were in a theatre that got shot up when they went to see Terminator 2. My mom’s an RN, and interestingly, there were several other nurses in the theatre. They were able to render some emergency aid until ambulances had arrived.

              Interestingly, shootings had happened at several theaters showing “Boyz in the Hood”, including that one.

          2. I like to believe I would have the presence of mind to duck and run so fast and be out the door and eight blocks away by the time he finished his first clip.

            What? I’m no hero. I’d just be cannon fodder anyway; I’m barely big enough to wrestle a tennis ball from a small dog.

      2. When I was young I had an old man point a 22 rifle at me from about 30 or 40 feet and pull the trigger twice. The gun misfired both times before I could get my car started and haul ass.

        It was a bolt action rifle which makes it even more crazy that the gun didn’t fire.

        I was a 22 year old car salesman and he was a 40 something school principal.

        I couldn’t get the police to file charges on him.

  19. Apparently Jesse thinks alt-text is racist.

    1. I’m sure he’ll have an opportunity to redeem himself in short order. The smart money says Reason and the SJW’s will be milking this incident for days, if not weeks.

  20. Aside from comments here I haven’t heard anyone mention that if the churchgoers would have had a gun they could have stopped him.

    Nothing would be sweeter than if a tiny little 85 year old black woman had pulled a 32 out of her purse and put him down before he could hurt anyone. If that had happened we would never have heard about it, just crickets from the MSM.

    1. I’m actually curious as to why none were armed considering the place had been a target before then. There was also a State Senator there who died and I would have thought he would have a firearm (being able to be fast-tracked for a CCW as an elected official and all). I guess none had cellphones either because I cannot imagine the cops and SWAT not screaming in like a bat out of hell with an active shooter situation at that church….

      1. There is a law in SC against conceal-carry in churches.

        1. Ah, well….hmm…..that makes (no) sense….

          1. Well. You know. Churches being the hotbed of violence that they typically are . . .

            1. Square you just don’t get it.

              Anti gun laws prevent anyone having a gun on the premisies so that no one can shoot other people at that location.

              People who want to shoot people have to go somewhere where guns are allowed if they want to shoot people.

              1. I have to wonder if some people genuinely believe laws actually do things. Like, create a force field that physically prevent people form doing things.

                If you’re going to have a ban of guns on the premise, at least have the sense to put a metal detector at the entrance and maybe a security guard. Otherwise such a policy is self-evidently worse than useless.

                Btw, why does this page automatically scroll to the topic of the page every couple minutes? Never happened to me before.

            2. The law worked!
              /sarc

      2. I’m actually curious as to why none were armed

        You heard how they were. They were extreme pacifists, turning the other cheek and all that Jesus crap.

    2. South Carolina allows concealed carry, but prohibits it in churches.

      I’ve read differing accounts as to shooting victim Clementa Pinckney opposed concealed carry or not.

    3. I stated this specifically on DerpBook and had someone respond that they were “crying for” me.

  21. I have a suggestion for Bellator’s next headlining fight – A catchweight match between Dylann Roof and Kimbo Slice, no stoppages allowed. Also, did his manifesto happen to mention how he keeps his bowl cut so tight?

    1. Who watches over you?

  22. The lesson I’ve learned this morning from a white racist shooting up a Black church is that hate group monitors are fascists. Didn’t we know that already though?

    1. Keep trying guy; you will get there!

      1. Amsoc trying to think reminds me of a person trying really hard to take a shit when they’re constipated.

        1. cranium constapist

    2. So which hate group did Roof belong too again?

      1. The white race of course. Repent for your original sin white privilege!

      2. Yeah, I know. He didn’t pay his KKK dues so they’re totally off the hook, you know

        1. You realize the historical irony of trying to be a socialist and non-racist, right? I hate to do this, but the Nazis were socialists. So, I hope your AB dues are up-to-date.

        2. Are you trying to find a KKK supporter here? How’s that working out so far?

        3. “Yeah, I know. He didn’t pay his KKK dues so they’re totally off the hook, you know”

          Let’s do a play by play here, you fucking moron. Here’s what you said:

          “The lesson I’ve learned this morning from a white racist shooting up a Black church is that hate group monitors are fascists. Didn’t we know that already though?”

          Someone then asked what hate group Roof belonged to because if he belonged to no hate groups then ‘monitoring hate groups’ would not have prevented this and would only have resulted in even more unnecessary government surveillance.

          So you said:

          “Yeah, I know. He didn’t pay his KKK dues so they’re totally off the hook, you know”

          Except this has nothing to do with your original point which was about monitoring hate groups. This is a non-sequitor completely unrelated to the issue of monitoring, but you have the IQ of a lobotomized chimp so it’s not surprising you didn’t notice.

          1. It is the worst kind of Troll Irish. It makes wild, unsupported assertions and accusations and never follows up on any challenges. It just moves on and makes another. It is the equivalent of a kid poking us with a stick.

            Its very name is supposed to be provocative. Its sole purpose is to get a reaction.

            1. ^ This. One can debate Tony or Buttplug, as dishonest and intransigent as they can be, but AmSoc is just a moron lobbing what he thinks are clever one-liners and moving on.

              1. Or he’s just lobbing one-liners because he doesn’t care about the debates and just wants you to waste your time getting offended and responding to him. It’s a trap I’ve fallen into on a few occasions, but honestly do you think AmSoc posts here for any reason other than to troll? The man’s an imbecile and an admitted failure at life who couldn’t even hold a job to keep his house. This is probably the closest he comes to actually having friends and social interaction. Up to you all if you want to keep indulging him…personally I’d rather respond to the spambots.

                1. He can be a useful foil for pointing out the utter stupidity of a lot of left wing talking points, but yes, any effort to persuade *him* is wasted.

        4. He “didn’t pay his KKK dues, so they’re off the hook . . . ” You’re not even funny. You are disgusting. Innocent people died and all you care about is being an opportunist.

          Stop being a jerk.

        5. So just because you didn’t pay your party dues means you’re not off the hook for all the genocide Stalin and Pol Pot orchestrated?

          Is this a confession on your part then?

    3. So just to highlight AS’s inconsistency and idiocy:

      1. Every crime, murder, massacre and destruction by Marxists: Didn’t happen, had to happen, THE OTHER GUYS DO IT TOO or doesn’t reflect on all Marxists.
      2. White racist shoots up church, reflects on all society as racist, attempts to justify surveillance.

      Hmmm, given Marxism’s history of violence, perhaps we should be monitoring self-proclaimed hypocritical socialists on the internet…of course that would require you to be actually consistent, rather than a piece of scum who wants to use power vigorously against people you don’t like.

      1. Oh come now. You act like socialists have a history of bombing things!

    4. ” hate group monitors are fascists . . . .” Please explain in detail.

  23. “If you have the stomach for it, you can read the rest here, including his thoughts on East Asians”

    We all know they’re bad drivers.

  24. You know what I find interesting, troubling and annoying all at the same time? Whenever a minority commits such a crime (and we all know who. Yoo-hoo Mr. A-rab!) we’re told and scolded into not rushing to judgment or to not generalize.

    Yet, the second some psycho white dude with a bad hair cut goes off, all of a sudden the flood gates to generalized hyperbole open wide as we saw with President Harvey Birdman.

    That to me, and it’s just me, is why I consider such people to be cunts.

    1. Careful… Amsoc has been all over this kind of thing today. He might try to refute this and end up spewing derp all over our shoes.

      1. Well, AmSoc is the “intellectual” heir to a tradition that murdered tens of millions of people, so his opinions don’t particularly matter to anyone with a moral compass.

      2. Fuck that slime ball. I’m looking at the mainstream press, pundits, politicians and other Top Men who in theory should be wiser in their comments. Alas, we know they lack wisdom and any common sense.

    2. The other problem is that Islam is a religion whereas white people are a race. Islam has actual ideological components to it and some of those ideological components are very violent and lead a minority of Muslims to carry out horrific attacks as a direct result of the ideas contained in their holy book.

      There is no ‘white person’ ideology. It’s just a race. It’s therefore far dumber to howl about ‘white America’ then it is to criticize Islam, since Islam actually has ideological components deserving of criticism, whereas ‘white America’ is racial and contains no ideology. ‘White America’ isn’t trying to do anything and has no goals since white Americans don’t belong to any overarching ideological group.

      1. Ever hear of the the term ‘white niggers of America?’

        http://bit.ly/1Rju4hK

        Ah, Quebec nationalism in all its magnificent, hillbilly glory.

        1. “The book is a class analysis of French Canadian settlement and social, political, and economic life in Canada since arrival. Valli?res argues that French Canadians have been kept in a position of exploited workers by the English upper class entrepreneurs. He draws parallels between the social and economic position of French Canadians and slaves in the United States, hoping to show that both cultural groups have been brought to the continent to serve as the lower, under, and working class for a common oppressor.”

          Wow. This guy compared French Canadians to the victims of southern slavery.

          He seems like a real swell chap.

          1. You have not seen a persecution complex until you’ve seen the rural, shitty parts of Quebec.

            1. I loved how we were supposed to pay our respects to the deceased Jacques Parizeau because he had some sort of parochial principles about independence. He was a chauvinistic, parasitical xenophobe and I personally couldn’t care less.

              Irish, oh yeah, they so did and probably still do. I think now Palestinians are the choice of comparison. While they freely flock to the USA and have three cars in the drive way.

              Idiots.

        2. Ever hear of Rock N Roll Nigger?

          http://youtu.be/b1o68h4Usqs

        1. It is when people compete to arrive at some end point starting at the same time from the same beginning point. Whoever arrives first wins. At least that is what I thought it was.

          1. It’s when a bunch of hillbillies show up at an asphalt oval to drink, barbecue and watch people make four left turns…

            1. I’m pretty sure they only watch the track when something crashes into something else. Otherwise the booze and briskets demand all of their attention.

          2. I’m no Egyptologist, but I hear it’s part of the Pharoanic coronation protocol.

        2. “What’s a Nubian?”

      2. “There is no ‘white person’ ideology.”
        This is a central point of conflict between sane people and leftists. Leftists actually believe there is such a thing as a ‘white ideology’ or a ‘male ideology’ of which whites/males have to purge themselves perpetually (but will never get rid of entirely, kind of like original sin).

        Which basically means you’re average lefty type is at least twice as much of a dick as Pamela Gellar. If you believe in logical consistency that is.

    3. Sarcasmic has it right. Principals over principles.

    4. Somebody paired up a couple of Salon tweets (going from memory):

      “Muslims don’t have to apologize for the Charlie Hebdo massacre!”

      “White people have to answer for the Charleston church massacre!”

      1. It was the Boston marathon bomber that Muslims don’ need to apologize for, but yes.

        twitter.com/Salondotcom/status/611993386933964800

        1. Slate/Salon are lamenting that white America won’t change their views on race as a result of this, but the only thing they can suggest to actually change is gun laws. Which really has nothing to do with race.

          Presumably, it means white America needs to all uniformly adopt the terminology of white progressives, and all of the racial issues in this country would go away.

    5. Indeed. Hundreds of incidents having the commonality of the doer Screaming hosannas to his god while cutting off headsor directly before exploding: totally not religious in nature.

      One particularly psycho wackjob does a shooting: #yesallwhitepeople.

  25. Slate almost achieves self-awareness, but predictably dances around to avoid doing so:
    http://www.salon.com/2015/06/2…..blackness/

    1. Mmm…that is some tasty projection.

    2. Can somebody inform these people how fucking retarded and racist the terms “whiteness” and “blackness” are, in any other respect that literally referring to one being physically white or black?

  26. Christon Scriven, 21, told the BBC’s Rajini Vaidyanathan that Mr Roof “wanted to shoot that school up – UCA university of Charleston – it’s 3 miles up the street from that church.”

    Mr Scriven said Dylann Roof “had no intention of harming those people in that church”.

    He also said that he had “never said anything racist, never treated me any different”.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-…..ef=Default

    Okay…if this is not total BS, the story is getting more and more confusing.

  27. “Black people view everything through a racial lense.”

    Says the murderous, white supremacist prick who views everything through a racial lens.

    1. Yeah, I was snickering about that too.

      Keep in mind that this kid was totally batshit insane. He fixated on racism, but it could have been anything. Misogyny, Lizard People on the Moon, The Earth is unbalanced etc etc.

      ( I used to know a fruitcake who thought the earth was unbalanced, that is why things are so bad today. To balance it we just needed to get all people to walk to one side of the earth and it would put it back in balance. If we couldn’t do that then we needed to kill all of the people on one side of the Earth and that would do the trick. Thank God he was locked up in a mental institution. )

  28. Dylann Roof is stupid and violent…and I suspect that his parents can’t spell.

  29. A church is a place of employment, yes? I mean, it has paid staff, right?

    So isn’t this just more workplace violence? What’s everybody so het up about?

  30. well, ugh, now I need a Clorox shower.

      1. Clorox makes whites whiter

  31. I hope there is a special place in hell reserved for that horrible person.

    1. Check your mail, there’s a subpoena in it.

      1. KKK doesn’t go in for subpoenas. You can look forward to a giant cross burning in your yard soon, though.

  32. I wonder how the left is going to come down on the death penalty issue.

    1. Same way they did with Tsarnaev ? i.e. against on the argument that life in prison will be worse punishment. Which I agree with, actually.

      1. Nah, man. Dead is dead.

      2. True. I wonder what kind of hospitality this little punk will get from the black people in whatever prison he goes to.

    2. I thought you were standing strong against wood chipper memes and you change the link in your handle. For shame.

      1. I have no problem with the wood chipper memes. I just don’t trust the handle rustlers around here.

  33. Chris Rock: Whatever happened to just plain crazy?

  34. , no one doing anything but talking on the internet.

    You know who else got in trouble for talking on the internet?

  35. Just 4 & 1/2 hours more to go. Fuck I hate working on the weekend.

    1. Right there with you. I’m babysitting a contractor today per a consulting contract. I may throw myself off the top of the building just to break the monotony. Reminds me of when I used to work security (although that was pre-internet).

      1. Well shit-howdy, the superintendent just stopped by and said they’re done for the day!

        See you guys, it’s been real!

  36. He makes 2 correct points in his manifesto: blacks are held to a lower standard (at least by progs) and black-on-white crime is downplayed. In 2013, there were about 4x as many black-on-white homicides than white-on-black.

    On this subject, Vox shows they do not understand proportions: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6…..ite-murder

    Why does the racist motivation for this crime make it so heinous? If a white guy had shot a bunch of white people at a prayer group because he was a militant atheist, would that have been just as bad? I’d say so, although such an incident gives no chance to stir up racial resentment and criticize non-progs for not being anti-racist enough.

    1. Good luck addressing even mentioning those points now! He’s only set his own cause further back.

      1. Yes, it’s like when progs tell me Thomas Sowell is untrustworthy because he gets quoted on Stormfront.

        The thing is, if it turned out that white-on-black murders were more common, that statistic would be quoted endlessly along with all the others that “prove” white privilege and black victimhood. But since it is the other way around, the fact gets buried.

        Fucking confirmation bias, how does that work?

        1. “Yes, it’s like when progs tell me Thomas Sowell is untrustworthy because he gets quoted on Stormfront.”

          That’s pretty funny. I guess we can’t trust Lincoln because Hitler quoted him either. Just go quote Sowell on Prog sites to even the playing field.

          (That’s a joke, you really can’t trust Lincoln)

          1. ALso, shouldn’t being a vegetarian be socially unacceptable too? Since Hitler was a vegetarian and an animal rights activist?

    2. We probably wouldn’t even know about it if everyone involved had been the same race

      1. I keep wondering how the families feel seeing their tragic situation turn into a political game. It probably doesn’t help.

        1. Probably sharpening the suing pencils as we speak.

          It’s what’s done, right?

      2. Eh, mass shootings tend to make the news. It’s telling though that this shooting is getting more attention than the Colorado theater shooting did. There’s no racism angle to play up on that one.

        1. About what percentage of the manifesto do you agree with, would you say?

          1. It’s a shame this isn’t Buttplug. An 8% joke would have been perfect.

            I can even agree with about 8% of the Communist Manifesto.

          2. Ooh, look everyone. The Grand Inquisitor Tonymada is going to prove I’m a racist. Well, go ahead. This should be good.

          3. You see, Tony, the difference between us is that I evaluate ideas based on what was said and you evaluate them based on who said it. This means I can learn from people even if I hate them whereas you are shut off from everyone who doesn’t believe exactly as you do.

            I enjoy access to a much wider and more diverse world than you precisely because I am willing to give the devil his due. That is the true meaning of tolerant.

            1. So you’re tolerant because you can find truth in racist screeds, whereas I’m intolerant because all I do is spend a shit ton of time on a libertarian website reading stuff I disagree with.

              1. “. . .all I do is spend a shit of time . . . .” Thanks for admitting your useless and futile life.

              2. At the risk of being guilty of corpse-fucking, I’ll respond.

                I think you, Tony, spend time here for the sole purpose of nagging people with self-righteous lectures and various sophistry. An atheist who goes to church for the sole purpose of mocking Christians is not being tolerant. He’s just a jerk. The same could be said for a die-hard Republican who goes to an Occupy rally or whatever other analogy you want.

                But I’ll give you a chance to convince me otherwise.

                If you’re so open-minded and you spend so much time here, surely you should be able to name some opinion you’ve changed or something you’ve learned. If your position is that you are right about everything and always will be, you are and will remain a great fool.

              3. Tony

                The racist breathed air. For you to not be racist you must cease breathing air.

        2. Is that surprising? That had no ideological motivation. Terrorist attacks tend to get more attention than mass shootings.

          1. And to clarify, by mass shootings I mean shootings without ideological motivation.

      3. In the words of SOuth park: “If you’re going to hurt someone, make sure they look like you.”

  37. All this might be helpful in resolving what seems to be an complicated agonizing questions: was this terrorism? If terrorism is not merely violence but violence with an aim to undermine/destabilize the society or political structure. AND has a credible degree of organization/backing…. then we’d have to say yes on the aim, but no on the organization mojo for this guy. The old IRA, the old KKK, violent political rebel splinter groups, and modern extremist Muslim groups do seem to fit the bill–that the create(d) mayhem and a real fear there’s more to come. The dork admits one of his motivation is that even the once-reliable skin heads and KKK folks aren’t pulling their weight, so he has to go off on his own.

    1. Personally I think the word ‘terrorist’ is basically meaningless t begin with. There is no consistent definition. If it means someone who deliberately kills civilians to accomplish a military/political end, then bombing Hiroshima was the biggest act of terrorism in history. If it relates to what the political end is, then one can be completely nonviolent and be a terrorist.

      Really, it’s a word without a cogent definition, so I avoid using it in any case.

  38. sometimes trampling or burning an American flag.

    Time to try banning flag burning again?

    1. Ha ha – no, silly, that would just draw attention to his anti-Americanism, and make it harder to make him out to be a Reflection of American Racism.

      1. On the other hand isn’t his fondness for the Stars and Bars also a reflection of his Anti-Americanism?

        1. I’d rather not get into that hornet’s nest… but in *his* particular case, I would guess yes.

          Now, there are some great patriots who would gladly give their life for the US…and who sport Confederate flags on “heritage” grounds.

          1. A disproportionate number of military members come from the deep South and many of those would see nothing wrong with the Confederate flag or ever associate it with being anti-American.

            To white Southerners, it really is just about their pride as Southerners. And you would be hard pressed to match their blind patriotism in the North.

            1. So tell us, what exactly about the Confederate flag are you “proud” of?

              1. 1. I live in Florida. I’m from NY.
                2. I have never worn or flown a Confederate flag.
                3. I am not proud of the South and I do not consider myself a Southerner.

                None of that has to do with the fact that I know people who do (not just from living in Florida). They are not protesting the federal government. They aren’t making racial statements. For the vast majority, it’s something they consider part of their heritage.

                You can call that poorly thought out on their part and/or insensitive. It doesn’t make them racist.

                1. Of course being proud of the confederate flag doesn’t make them racist. The cause and effect run the other direction.

                  1. Or, it’s possible that a cultural symbol has different meaning to different people. And the meaning of a symbol can change over time. Certain elements it carried in one place and time are not the same as they are today.

                    It’s funny. I can both argue that the Confederate flag SHOULD be put away in the South without arguing that those who wear it are racist. In fact, I’ve made that argument to real live Southerners. Because I acknowledge that different people hold different perceptions than my own. I can recognize that blacks and even Northerners who view it as a symbol of slavery have a valid point while also not condemning the people who disagree and cling to it.

                    And the browbeating of the sort you are engaging in here isn’t something that most people are going to respond to.

                    1. And the browbeating of the sort you are engaging in here isn’t something that most people are going to respond to.

                      This browbeating is one of the reasons they want to keep the Confederate flag in the first place.

                  2. Beyond that, your cause and effect train makes no difference and you just attempted to dodge the discussion. What you are arguing is akin to that someone who uses a ‘Don’t Treat on Me’ banner is racist because racists once used it. Or that state’s rights are racist. Or any of the other ridiculous arguments that come out of progville on this subject.

                    1. Sorry ‘cultural heritage’ doesn’t cut it. The Soviet and Nazi flags are a part of a heritage and they have no place in a respectable society. Neither does the Confederate flag.

                    2. Perhaps some people just don’t care to live in “respectable society”

                    3. Who gets to decide that something “ha[s] no place in a respectable society”? Either politicians banning something or public opinion.

                    4. Saying something has no place in respectable society is not the same as saying that everyone who uses the flag is racist. Storm is arguing that Southerners who fly the flag (which is a sizable percentage) are racist.

                      He’s not just arguing that the Confederate flag should be put away, but that people who use are racist. Should I repeat that again?

                      I don’t disagree that the Confederate flag should be put away. I disagree about the stupid black and white thinking people have with regards to those who still wear it.

                      There are white guys from the deep South who I have met who would take a bullet for their black buddies. So pardon me if I’m judging people based on actions and not how they view a flag.

                    5. The real reason to put away the Confederate flag is that the inevitable Dukes of Hazzard reboot is going to suck. We should do everything in our power to discourage it.

                    6. Does anyone know what the reaction to The Dukes was when it first aired? I can’t imagine there was nearly as much uproar over the flag then.

                    7. Does anyone know what the reaction to The Dukes was when it first aired?

                      Based on the casting of Catherine Bach as Daisy, I would imagine the reaction was an erection.

                    8. The uproar over the flag is quite recent. Started around the Quasquicentennial when Ken Burns’ documentary was current and popular.

                    9. Archie Bunker was unavailable for comment.

                      What this means is that 1970s TV was a lot more free-speechy than anything on TV today.

                    10. There was that movie a few years ago.

                    11. HA HA HA! Good one, Winston! Next, you’ll be trying to convince me that there are four other Highlander films.

                      Such a kidder, you are.

                    12. The movie that came out a few years go starred Jessica “Sexual Napalm” Simpson. *

                      *Story shared so that everyone can hate John Mayer a little

                    13. Indeed.

                      Now, if things were a little different in Germany (and are, well, exactly as they are in Russia) and Germans commonly sported Nazi paraphanalia in the spirit of German patriotism, I wouldn’t consider it necessarily evidence of them being racist. Symbols, for better or worse, mean what people think they mean. If you raise someone to believe that ‘shit’ means ‘pear,’ the word shit will always mean pear to them and they’ll always talk about eating tasty shits. So in truth, you do need to know what a person thinks a symbol means to know what it actually reflects about them. Symbols are, in themselves, meaningless.

                      But that certainly doesn’t make it respectable. A black person has as much a right too be offended by someone sporting a confederate flag as a Jew would be by someone sporting a Nazi flag.

                    14. As I mentioned below Orange has had some nasty sectarian and in South Africa racist implications yet it doesn’t seem to bother people in New York City despite the large numbers of Catholics and Blacks in the city.

                    15. State’s don’t have rights; they have powers. Only individuals have rights.

                    16. Willing to apply that statement when it’s the federal government tries to asserts its “rights?” Like it’s been doing with record frequency these last several years.

                  3. Tell me, what part of America outside of the south do you live in?

              2. It was “Made in China”?

          2. I’ve been thinking about it but wouldn’t using this scumbag as an excuse to ditch the Confederate Flag be giving him far more attention than he deserves? Not to mention his goal was to provoke a race war and one way to do so is to provoke an anti-white backlash in the hopes of encouraging White Racism.

            1. I think he’s going to be getting a *lot* of attention. First because the crime was so nasty, second because it’s a prog wet dream.

              1. I mean, except for the part where burns/tramples American flags. Or the part where he’s a loner. Other than that, it’s like the perfect murder – white criminal kills black people for racist political reasons, with a gun he obtained without a background check (from Dad). He’s basically a fulfillment of their hopes and dreams.

                1. He did go through a background check to get his gun:

                  http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/…..ting-main/

                  “One key part of this horrific scheme — the weapon — came in April, when Roof bought a .45-caliber handgun at a Charleston gun store, the two law enforcement officials told Perez and Bruer from CNN, the first network to report this development. His grandfather says that Roof was given “birthday money” and that the family didn’t know what Roof did with it.”

          3. The third reich is part of Germany’s heritage. I’m stll leaving if I show up at Oktoberfest and notice there’s Nazi flags all over the place.

            1. The best reason for hanging Nazi flags I’ve ever heard.

              1. Better than Germany winning the World Cup?

  39. Shouldn’t New York (and Albany too) change its name for being named after a slavetrader?

    And New York City’s flag commemorates the Dutch Slave Traders who were the ones who introduced slavery to the 13 Colonies in the first place.

    1. Entirely in favor of Albany being restored its original name

    2. How can I forget that Orange also represents anti-Catholicism and in South Africa it represents anti-black racism.

      1. Maybe, but check out the Irish flag:

        http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ie.html

        1. I don’t think the orange part of the flag is to celebrate the citrus industry.

        2. It was supposed to be a sop to the Protestants.

          1. Yes, my point is it can be used in a conciliatory way.

            I wouldn’t say as much about the Confederate flag – while many Confederate flag people are stand-up guys, I still disagree with the symbolism.

            1. And re Irish Catholics vs. Protestants – it’s the sectarian strife which gets the headlines, but there’s plenty of ecumenical cooperation which might not be as dramatic but is just as real.

            2. You disagree in general, or just in this case?

              For Christ’s sake, it is just cloth! It has no power. It is nothing.

              Flags are just idols for statists.

    3. I would say names should stay the same if only because of how fucking confusing it would get to change them every time past morals become obsolete as the culture changes. In fact I’m even against renaming streets after modern people, i.e. renaming old streets after MLK. I don’t want to show up at what was Johnson st. my whole life and spend 5 minutes thinking I’m in the fucking twilight zone because a major street just disappeared.

  40. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Arizona sheriff sending armed posse into black churches

    If I were a churchgoer, I think Sheriff Joe sending a bunch of his goons to services would actually make me feel less safe.

    1. At least this way if there is a shooting there it might get rid of some of the scum of Maricopa.

  41. The key takeaway here which you will never find in the leftist media orgasm about this incident:

    We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet.

  42. Bill Maher blames the right-wing!

    People become extremely mentally ill as a result of television news, news gathering websites, and video games.

    You fucking white people sicken me.

    1. The right’s coverage of this probably is cringe inducing. I haven’t watched or read much of it.

      But the left’s coverage is also cringe inducing. As is their coverage of anything race related. And both are equally unproductive. What the hell is it the left wants to do? The right holding hands singing kumbayah and having prayer vigils isn’t going to eliminate racism from society.

      Which is a reaction to the other? A classic chicken or the egg argument. An endless dance of stupid.

      1. Not as cringe inducing, yet hilariously uneducated, as the Chinese News Agency’s coverage.

      2. Basically, the left is reacting exactly the same way the right reacts when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, and the right is reacting the same way the left “reacts” when a Muslim kills a bunch of people.

        Kind of like with gov spending regarding education vs. military, this episode has just been a nice illustration that the conventional sides of the political spectrub basically act the exact same way, depending only on some incidental characteristic about the situation.

    2. “They hate being called ‘racists,’ conservatives, but isn’t denying racism in and of itself a form of racism?”

      Well, leftists (at least before Sanders came on the scene) hate being called socialists.

      Maher probably hates being called a moron.

      etc.

      So basically he’s using the same kinds of arguments as a conspiracy theorist – the lack of evidence for a conspiracy shows how successful the conspirators were at covering it up!

      1. So the left is racist then too?

        1. Unless he’s saying “the right denies racism exists, but we leftists – reluctantly, of course – admit it!”

          After all, in order to *truly* admit the existence of racism, you have to pretend we’re basically Jim Crow Mississippi, or else you’re a denier.

          1. Lefties (perhaps Maher included) as a matter of course deny that it is possible to be racist against white people. What does that say about them then?

  43. OT but sort of on. Extremely sad. Guy drives an SUV into a F1 crowd, injures 30 and stabs some people.

    Warning: from a Gawker site.

    Double warning: the maniac who drove the car into the people was white.

    1. The driver is an Austrian man of Bosnian heritage who works as a professional driver and is married, with two children.

      Dude, I know Ramadan fasting sucks, but learn to fucking deal!

      1. I was going to say “ban fasting” but then I saw that China has already done so. They are good.

    2. I don’t know if this “Bosnian” guy is Muslim, but from the story I get a distinct vibe of “dancing around something.”

      1. Maybe he is not white. I was going all New York Post headline there…you know, to get some eyeballs.

        1. +1 Headless Body in Topless Bar

      2. Bosnians are pretty much by definition Muslim, though not all of them are all that observant…

        1. Most of them are non-observant in fact.

    3. The comments on that article are disturbing

      Essentially, “Thank goodness he only had a knife! Imagine how many more people would have died if he had used a gun”

      So never mind that a gun is much easier to use as self defense. We’re all just helpless against all weapons, so let’s make sure that the inefficient ones are easier for the evil people to get. Maybe they’ll be able to pick fewer of us off when we’re all huddled in corners and waiting to die.

      1. (granted it depends on the gun and the distance, but the point is they don’t think or care about self defense at all)

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  46. A couple of things emerge from his “Manifesto”. His slide into rabid racism began with the MSM’s and others’ distortions around George Zimmerman’s self defense. Plus, loneliness He couldn’t find other racists to hang with, and this speaks to the overall racial progress that has been made but not shared by him and a few others. Why didn’t he check with the SPLC? Surely, they could have directed him to someone.

    Then, add psychotropic and other drugs; and, finally combine all that with a “gun free” zone and you have a perfect storm of factors leading to and enabling his despicable act.

    1. “He couldn’t find other racists to hang with, and this speaks to the overall racial progress that has been made but not shared by him and a few”

      What about RacistMingle.com, or one of those racist sites we’re told people congregate on in the Internet?

    1. Sounds like the author had a distressing childhood. Her dad was irresponsible and abusive. Now she has some issues with men.

      I guess she refuted the “daddy issues” meme!

    2. She could have saved a lot of time and just said she and bandwidth by just saying that the term Daddy issues is problematic.

      1. Yep, and it’s such a throwaway for any time a woman dares to lay down expectations for a man. As in, since we are in a relationship, when I text you, I expect a response within a reasonable timeframe. Asshole guy’s response: geez, back up with your clingy shit?what, do you have daddy issues?!?

        1. This is nothing more than the Father’s Day version of those “I Hate Valentine’s Day” articles written by bitter, single misanthropes in order to make other bitter, single misanthropes happy with being bitter, single misanthropes.

          Can you imagine the self-righteous yowling that would come from the Gawkerverse if someone dared pen an essay questioning Mother’s Day using the momma’s boy stereotype?

          1. Well, there *was* that scandal when Hallmark appointed Eminem to head its Mother’s Day Card division.

            Source: Hey, it *could* have happened!

    3. Best comment:

      Saying a woman or girl has “daddy issues” is fucking wretched. If she has daddy issues, shouldn’t the hate be directed at, you know, her god damned father? How is his disgusting and damaging fuckery her fault?

      Yes, I suppose we should blame your unwarranted sense of self-regard on your father.

      1. But talk of blaming those abused serial killers’ fuckery on their lunatic mothers who tied their penises in knots when they were babies, well that’s just cruel; I mean, who knows what she was going through when they do that. No, then we need to be all about personal responsibility.

        Btw, firm evidence that we do not live in a sane society: jezebel is not widely regarded as being just as bad as stormfront.

  47. I’ve looked at the quotes which supposedly show Republicans are in denial about racism.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelli…..acist.html

    Gov. Haley: “we do know that we’ll never understand what motivates anyone to enter one of our places of worship and take the life of another”

    Yes, she’s denying that the guy was a racist, she sure wasn’t expressing bafflement that anyone – racist or not – would murder people in a church. No way.

    Wall Street Journal: “What causes young men such as Dylann Roof to erupt in homicidal rage, whatever their motivation, is a problem that defies explanation beyond the reality that evil still stalks humanity.”

    Yes, they’re not asking what makes someone erupt into homicidal violence, they’re saying Roof isn’t a racist.

    Jeb Bush: “I don’t know. Looks like to me it was, but we’ll find out all the information. It’s clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African-American. You can judge what it is.”

    Indeed, he’s not waiting until all the evidence is in, he’s just denying racism.

    It’s a conspiracy!

    1. When will Republicans learn that the media isn’t their friend? Why do they feel compelled to think out loud in front of the camera, in response to questions?

      1. When will Republicans learn that their own stupid evil thoughts are not their friends?

        1. When you actually become a mind reader.

        2. What thoughts mentioned Notorious’s post were either stupid or racist? Seriously, your off your fucking meds buddy.

          It’s like saying it’s stupid and evil every time a democrat condemns the atrocities of Pol Pot without including the word ‘socialist.’

          I know you hear this every day but I don’t think you can hear it enough: you sir are a bona fide retard.

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          Displace much?

    2. The Republican party is built on a foundation of white racial resentment. Even its most cosmopolitan presidential candidates seem to feel it necessary to evade realities about racism and homophobia. The lengths gone to, to deny that white bigotry exists, are patently absurd. Nobody can be nominated by alienating the FOX News junkies, and they are all told 24/7 that white Christian heterosexuals are the true victims in this country. It’s a pervasive sentiment.

      1. Tony, since you claim to be a gay man in Oklahoma, perhaps you can answer a question I’ve had of late. Can you explain to me why someone attracted to the opposite sex would get a sex change operation to become said sex? Isn’t that basically like choosing to become a lesbian or gay man? This is mostly an honest question that baffles me.

        If being gay is so horrible, why would someone born a female attracted to males get operations and hormone treatment to become a male?

        1. First, being gay is not horrible as long as you can make it out of high school alive. I love being gay. If I were born to less tolerant parents in bumfuck America, it would have been more difficult, sure.

          I cannot however speak with authority on the mindset of transgender people, which is a completely different class of people from gays. So I take them at their word, which is the polite thing to do. They feel that they identify as something other than what society would label them based on their physical appearance. Some end up as transgender and straight and some as transgender and gay. The only real question is who gives a fuck? No skin off my nose.

          1. So, being gay isn’t that bad? Beyond adolescent stupidity, Americans, even white cis shitlords such as myself, don’t treat gay people that bad? I mean, I was even arguing for gay marriage before the Democratic party came on board!

            It’s so not bad that people would willingly choose to go through onerous and expensive procedures in order to live that way because that’s how they feel comfortable living.

            The only real question is who gives a fuck? No skin off my nose.

            No, you answered the question perfectly. I agree, who gives a fuck?

      2. See, the problem is the Repubs bend over backwards to placate the Tonys of the world in hopes the media will stop calling them racist.

        So Rand Paul can denounce the police shooting of a black man, but then talk about something else at a later event, and OMG why didn’t he mention the police shooting a black man?

        The party can elect nonwhite governors and Senators in the Deep South (including in that racist sinkhole South Carolina), and it doesn’t count because these nonwhite people are inauthentic.

        They can appoint the first black Secretary of State and it doesn’t count because…whatever reason they invent.

        And again, Rand Paul can call for changes in a criminal justice system which arguably hurts black youths and men, and that doesn’t count because…look, Hillary just said some vague stuff about criminal justice reform!

        Meanwhile, the Democrats can support police unions who back up abusive cops who harm or kill black suspects, they can work to keep black kids trapped in bad schools, etc., and they have nothing to answer for, no presumption of racism, because, you know, we all know how wonderful Democrats are, so they have nothing to prove! They certainly don’t have to answer rude questions from the media questioning their commitment to racial justice.

        1. “We managed to elect a nonwhite person” is a great achievement only in the context of very low expectations.

          1. And is the only reason why many people voted for him. Talk about low expectations.

      3. That racial resentment is fed daily by the likes of Rush (King of the Rednecks) Limbaugh.

        Unfortunately the government aids his cause with shitty programs like affirmative action (which causes more harm than any good it brings).

        But racial polarization is what conservatives need and their media brainwashes the gullible.

        1. “But racial polarization is what conservatives need and their media brainwashes the gullible.”

          You know, I don’t use the “projection” meme very often, but what else can you call that last paragraph?

        2. Why do conservatives need racial polarization? In their entire agenda, where is race mentioned? What part of lower taxes (on the rich or anyone else) is about race or needs white people to hate black people?

          Name a major aspect of the Republican platform driven on racial divide.

          Conversely, if we got into the Democratic agenda, it’s largely based on class division and identity politics. Identity politics are all about separating people into little subgroups and creating special appeals to them. Like affirmative action.

          Your argument is intellectually bankrupt.

          1. Why do conservatives need racial polarization?

            Let’s see. Us whites are about 68% of the electorate and blacks are about 13% (iirc). If you successfully identify as a “white Christian” party you win.

            Also gerrymandering.

            I’m for cutting taxes and I am no conservative. Because I actually want to cut spending and Reagan/Bush/Bush the Small like big government.

            1. That is a nonanswer, first off. And ‘gerrymandering’ isn’t a part of the Republican platform. Nor is it unique to Republicans or new.

              Republicans appeal to the majority of the electorate. That’s what you just said.

              The other party meanwhile NEEDS different minority groups to vote for it in order to win elections, and needs to gain higher proportions of female voters among whites, as well.

              So, Republicans have the same party platform they had in the 1960’s (regardless of how closely they follow it at all times), but in that time there has been demographic changes in that time frame. So, which party has changed and adapted its platform based on demographic changes?

              Your argument makes no sense and didn’t even attempt to answer my question.

              1. Are you kidding? You know nothing about party self identity. Read some Frank Luntz.

                The GOP markets itself as the God-fearing, Constitution loving, white Christian patriot party.

                1. Quit lying.

                2. God-fearing/Christian – Wait, where did this guy go to find black people to shoot again? Oh, right. A church. Blacks are predominantly Christians and a large portion of them are observant.

                  Constitution – Is the constitution something that only appeals to white people? Better tell all of those brown and Asian people who have been inspired by it over the centuries and used it as a basis to write their own constitutions.

                  Patriot – Black people are over represented in our military. Hispanics make up a sizable portion themselves. Patriotism is an appeal to white people now?

                  White – this is just invented. The Republican party does less to tweak its message to white people than the Democrats have done to appeal to blacks. What was it LBJ said about those darkies again?

                  I lobbed you a softball, and you still can’t answer. You could have pointed to immigration. It’s the one issue Republicans harp about that most has racist overtones. Instead you give us this crap.

            2. So, are you saying that the Republicans caused Roof to kill? Your point is nonsensical to the original thread.

              1. I am saying conservatives market to racists.

                When Rush (King of the Rednecks – Praise be unto him!) Limbaugh tells his idiot audience that “minorities cause the mortgage meltdown” they believe it and vote GOP.

                1. Yea, because that’s what Limbaugh argues…

                  1. Watch the fat fuck child molester say so yourself:

                    During his February 11 radio program, Rush Limbaugh advanced the right-wing myth that the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) “was used by ACORN and their allies to wreck the housing market by wrecking the mortgage market” and thus caused the financial crisis. Limbaugh later added: “Obama still supports the very thing that caused the sub-prime mortgage crisis in the first place. ACORN still supports it. [Rep.] Barney Frank and [Sen.] Chris Dodd, both of whom should be sharing a cell with Bernie Madoff, still support it”

                    http://mediamatters.org/resear…..pon/160376

                    1. That isn’t a racist statement, TonyButtPlug. It may be a “myth” or half-truth, but there is no racism in debasing yet another failed government program.

                      Are you calling libertarians racist then? I doubt if you’ll find any Reasonoids who support ACORN or HUD or any government program. We don’t have to agree with Rush in our disdain of government.

                      So, please – tell us, for once and for all – given your criteria for what makes a racist, are we libertarians racist?

                  2. ACORN is the conservative PC term for “niggers” by the way.

                    In case you were too stupid to know that.

                    1. Only, they did force lowering of lending standards, and they did it in large part to increase ownership among minorities. That is not the same as arguing that brown people caused the financial crisis, you lying hack.

                      Limbaugh is saying that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd should be in jail. Are either of them brown? Look pretty white to me.

                      The only ones who add in the ‘brown people’ comments are leftists who try to paint that as a racist argument. Such as yourself. People making the argument blame the people who manipulated the market who were mostly white.

                    2. Lending standards were lowered in the private market only – you idiot.

                      The CRA didn’t lower standards. FICO requirements never changed. The CRA myth is a racist lie.

                    3. HUD not only encouraged no down payments but also adopted affordable housing mandates for the government-sponsored en terprises that issue mortgage securities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Beginning in 1996, the [government-sponsored enterprises] had to make 40% of new loans they financed to borrowers with incomes below the national median.

                      With lower underwriting standards and a mandate to fulfill, Fannie and Freddie’s MBS issuance began to take off. It surged more than 116%, from $342 billion in 1997 to $741 billion in 1998.

                      Hogberg describes how MBS issues soared even as standards for loans were continuously eased, in compliance with the National Homeownership Strategy.

                      That strategy was a key piece of government policy through two administrations. Of its implementation, then-President Clinton said in 1995 “[t]he goal of this strategy, to boost home ownership to 67.5 percent by the year 2000, would take us to an all-time high.”
                      https://reason.com/blog/2013/02…..policy-was

                    4. So libertarians are racists?

                    5. So, basically, anyone who points out the unintended or negative consequences of policies meant to help minorities is ‘racist.’ They’re just dog whistling to you. That’s the extent of your argument.

                    6. The CRA myth is a lie meant to appeal to white racists. The GOP FDIC chair said so.

                      Lenders got loose to collect fees and then to sell AAA mortgage bonds gullible investors.

                      Period.

                      No government needed.

                    7. HUD not only encouraged no down payments but also adopted affordable housing mandates for the government-sponsored en terprises that issue mortgage securities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Beginning in 1996, the [government-sponsored enterprises] had to make 40% of new loans they financed to borrowers with incomes below the national median.

                      With lower underwriting standards and a mandate to fulfill, Fannie and Freddie’s MBS issuance began to take off. It surged more than 116%, from $342 billion in 1997 to $741 billion in 1998.

                      Hogberg describes how MBS issues soared even as standards for loans were continuously eased, in compliance with the National Homeownership Strategy.

                      That strategy was a key piece of government policy through two administrations. Of its implementation, then-President Clinton said in 1995 “[t]he goal of this strategy, to boost home ownership to 67.5 percent by the year 2000, would take us to an all-time high.”
                      https://reason.com/blog/2013/02…..policy-was

                    8. HUD didn’t “force” Lehman, Bear, Merrill Lynch and others to do a damn thing. The mortgage meltdown was a product of unregulated Wall St.

                      It certainly bankrupted Fannie and Freddie though. But a relatively paltry $180 billion saved those two.

                      Wall St blew a $10 trillion hole in the economy.

                      Really, go back to Free Republic.

                    9. “Unregulated Wall Street”. No, you fucking moron – this is not TRUE. I.am a CPA and a CTP and you are so fucking wrong it is unfucking believable. There are hundreds of thousands of regulations – at both the Federal and State levels – you goddamn pig-fucker.

                      Pull you head out of your pig-fucking ass. You goddamn moron.

                    10. You liar. In 2006-08 Wall Street Investment banks were regulated by the SEC only. Same as any jackass company.

                      Deposit banks like Wells Fargo had the big regulations.

                    11. By 2000, Fannie and Freddie were financing loans with zero down payments. The private market soon followed. By 2006, 30% of all homebuyers made no down payment. …

                      After those changes, Fannie and Freddie’s business skyrocketed. Their MBS issues jumped from about $469 billion in 2000 to $1.1 trillion in 2001. The increase continued, rising to $1.5 trillion in 2002 and $2.2 trillion in 2003

                      Yet private mortgage securities never matched that of the GSEs. From 1995-2009, the private market issued about $6.8 trillion in MBSs vs. $14 trillion for Fannie and Freddie.

                      Yea, no government regulation needed. See, we are just going to remove restrictions on lending limits, and then mandate GSE’s supply shaky loans. While they reap up the short term profits and their market share grows, surely the private sector won’t get on board!

                      No, no one made the private sector jump in. It was just the intended consequence of the government policy. The stated goal, no less

                      The government puts its fingers on the scale of the market, and then blames the market when it follows.

                    12. No, wrong. What do you think Wall Street does with that money it invests in? Most of it is invested in pensions and retirement savings, which is regulated by the Department of Labor, Treasury, SEC. Those are just ONE set of regulators. Sarbanes-Oxley, the Patriot Act, Finra, OCC. Insurance, State, federal – you’re such a clueless fuckhead

                      So, shut up pig-fucker. Go copulate with bacon, you lying sack of shit.

                    13. Hm…remove restrictions, mandate GSE’s lend a certain way, lower interest rates, and watch as GSE’s capture a larger part of the market…Hm. Yea, I mean, no one MADE them do anything. They were just very not gently shoved in one direction.

                      The private sector did a lot of shady/illegal shit after that point, but the core of the issue goes back to government policy and screwing with market incentives. None of it happens without that.

                    14. Oh, c’mon man. That’s such bullshit! Fuck you asshole.

                      You want to debate, be honest. Quit lying.

                    15. Oh, c’mon man. That’s such bullshit! Fuck you asshole.

                      You want to debate, be honest. Quit lying.

                    16. Not, TonyButtPlug, no it is not. It is just another failed liberal activist organization.

                      A failed and corrupt liberal group.

                      Don’t be so defensive when some progressives getscaught being criminals. They deserve to be discredited, not defended as misunderstood angels.

                    17. You didn’t answer my question. Libertarians are against.ACORN and all actively lobbying for deregulation.

                      Free and unfettered markets.

                      Does that mean libertarians are racists? Yes or no?

                2. I.understand now. You would rather use straw man and ad hominem attacks because you cannot use logic to support your debate.

                  Your perverse “conservatives market to racists” is bullshit. And you know it.

                  And Rush Limbaugh – really? That’s your proof of ” marketing to racists”?

                  I thought you were intelligent than that. I thought you had at least 1/2 brain.

                  Boy, I was wrong. You’re nothing but what Team Blue tells you to be.

                  1. Fat Rush is no libertarian. He is an authoritarian police state SoCon Big Gov asshole.

                    No “straw man” in that.

                    1. Why are you, a self-proclaimed libertian, complaining about “unregulated markets”?

                      You should be more worried about unregulated government.

        3. Racial resentment – so it is the GOP’s fault. If it hadn’t been for Rush, there would have been no shooting.

      4. The lengths gone to, to deny that white bigotry exists, are patently absurd.

        Per the FBI, more than twice as many whites are killed by blacks than the other way around. If the entire white American race has to apologize for this kid, does the entire black American race have to apologize for all the white people that are murdered by blacks, which happens twice as often?

        1. All of white America could apologize for this murderer, and it wouldn’t change anything about this incident or cure the people who still hate black people or Jews or any other group. Having a national conversation (whatever the hell that actually means) wouldn’t change a small minority who hate that much. And then you have to cut up that entire group of racists and bigots – the numbers who act on that hate are incredibly small.

          Beyond that, even when conservatives make these arguments about race and such – how much of it is backlash against the constant racial focus of the left?

          Race relations are at their lowest point in my entire life, and it’s no coincidence that since Obama was elected the progressive left has come to the forefront of the Democrat party and cried racism at the top of their lungs for 7 years because Republicans didn’t play ball with Obama (in their view).

        2. Whites should not apologize for this despicable punk.

          I won’t.

        3. I thought you idiots were the experts in not collectivizing people.

          Allow me to introduce you to two claims that address these issues without resorting to mind-numbing racist horseshit:

          Crime and various other social problems are consequences of poverty. Black people in this country are more likely on average to be poor.

          I hasten to add that the subject is nine perfectly decent, productive black members of society being murdered by an idiot white supremacist.

          1. There are black crimes aimed against white people just because they are white. And it’s not hard to find examples.

            You won’t find anyone here arguing that black people are genetically predisposed to be criminals.

          2. You make no sense.

            What causes poverty – generational poverty? The biggest factor is children born to young, unmarried women. Having children early – before 24 years of age – without marriage and 2 parents – is the biggest factor.

            It is true, regardless of race.

          3. If poverty is caused by racism/discrimination, how do you explain the fact that African immigrants tend to excel white US natives in terms education and income? Asians and Jews were also discriminated against and they also do better than whites.

            The world is filled with minority communities who flourish in spite of discrimination.

            Take it away, Mr Williams

            video:
            https://vimeo.com/4900686

          4. I thought you idiots were the experts in not collectivizing people.

            You brought it up asshole. I’m just pointing out the obvious logical flaw in your typical shitlib inanities.

            The rest of your post is just emotional appeals and special pleading. Now go fuck yourself.

      5. “The Republican Party is built on white racial resentment. . .”

        1. And yet, Jackie Robinson was a Republican. He certainly didn’t HAVE to be a Republican, he chose to be a Republican. So – why would he do that, Tony? He even worked for the Nixon campaign. So, why?

        2. Are you claiming all non-white Republicans are idiots? Sell outs? Uncle Toms?

        3. John C. Fremont, first person to run on a Republican ticket. 1856. Look up Fremont’s views on slavery.

        1. No, don’t you see, the Republicans stole all the white racists from the Democrats – leaving the Democrats pure and turning the Republicans into the party of white supremacy!

          1. I have heard that explanation. It still makes no sense to me.

          2. But Dem Senator Robert “pork” Byrd was a Dem.

      6. Yeah, people only want taxes lowered because they hate black people.

        My guess is you don’t spend any time around Republicans, so you have the luxury of being able to hate the half of the population to which you don’t belong. My father is a Republican, as are most of his friends; they are all principally concerned with less government intervention in the economy. In fact that’s almost the only thing that matters to a surprising number: getting shit eating parasites like you out of their pockets. Their “whiteness” is a matter of indifference. Of course that’s part of what you probably consider racist: any white person who doesn’t self-flagellate over things he didn’t do is a racist. God forbid, even worse, a white person should want equal consideration given to applicants to schools or jobs regardless of race, rather that giving some races a leg up.

        As usual, if you want to see a racist just look in the mirror.

  48. Once again nihilist arby’s makes the best point about racism.

  49. That is a powerful manifesto. The kid is obviously unhinged and has serious issues. He was also a druggie. But even a person with problems can be right about things.

    The manifesto is crude but it speaks to certain truths that need to be said.

    America is ailing from the fact of racial differences. Blacks are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than whites.
    This is why even white Liberals(or especially white Liberals) have gentrified blue cities into whitopias and drove out blacks to other communities. So, rich white/Jewish/Asian Liberals enjoy more privilege and safety, whereas poorer whites suffer more from black crime and violence since many blacks are relocated to working class white communities.

    As a result, many white kids get bullied in schools by stronger blacks. Statistics show that blacks rape, rob, beat up, and murder whites at much higher rates. But affluent white Liberals don’t experience this since they live in safe gentrified communities with excellent police protection. NY has Stop and Frisk to keep blacks in line. And beginning with Clinton, millions of black males have been thrown in jail. Indeed, the #1 reason why the national crime rate began to plummet was because Democrats got serious about crime and built more prisons. This is how Clinton and the Democrats won the yuppie vote. They stole ‘law and order’ from the GOP by locking up more blacks.

    1. Black on white violence is well-known. But blacks also routinely attack Asians, Hispanics, and others. It is because evolution made blacks stronger, faster, and more explosive. Why do blacks excel in sports? They are faster and stronger.
      And blacks have lower impulse control. Dylann was right about all these things.

      And since he grew up among blacks, he surely was bullied, beaten, taunted, and made to feel inferior. Today, in integrated schools in low-income communities, black guys routinely beat up and bully weaker white guys. And white girls, seeing that black guys are superior to white guys in combat, go off with black males who are seen as racially and sexually superior. It’s deeply humiliating for white guys to beat up and bullied and also see white girls go off with black males because white girls see black men as superior to white men. White men feel like castrated and wussified ‘white boys’. And indeed, black guys routinely call white guys ‘white boys’. In many communities, black guys will beat up white guys simply for looking them straight in the eye. I know this because I’ve seen racial integration in low-income communities all my life.

      Though Dylann has been called a ‘white supermacist’, I think his white nationalism was a crutch for the fact that whites like him must now lead inferior lives vis-a-vis blacks who routinely taunt him and beat him up.

      1. But because the media are controlled by anti-white Jews and PC Liberals, we are supposed to pretend that all bad black behavior are carried out by ‘teens’ and ‘youths’.

        In truth, white Liberals bitch about Dylann because, deep down inside, they agree with him. Affluent white Liberals move to whiter communities. They use gentrification or gentric cleansing to lower the number of blacks in cities. Homosexuals are also used for gentrification. So, San Francisco has fewer blacks today than 10 yrs ago. WAshington DC used to be 80% black. Now, it is down to less than 50%. Lots of richest cities are turning more and more white and driving out blacks who end up in poorer white communities and beat up working class whites like Dylann.

        After all, where do all these dangerous blacks go when they are relocated by rich white LIbs who push for gentification? They are sent to working class white communities where white kids get beaten up by tougher blacks.

        1. Sure, white Liberals do integrate with some blacks, but they tend to choose the nicer and better educated ones. Like Obama. They are tokens. As for poorer whites, they end up with the most dangerous blacks. Liberals integrate with the Obamas with the world, while poor whites must integrate with the mike tysons of the world. Jews, the richest people in America, are most segregated away from dangerous blacks. They live real well in white areas with excellent police protection. So, it is amusing that such Jews would talk big and put down poor whites who get attacked by blacks.

          What Dylann did was wrong and evil. But his manifesto touches on many truths of American life that we mustn’t ignore. Just because the action was wrong doesn’t mean the thoughts were all wrong. US was wrong to nuke Japan, but it has good reasons to hate Japan.

          1. Guessing from your name you’re a Ruskie? That kind of explains a lot. Is it racist of me to say that? Or just ethnicist?

      2. Black on white violence is well-known. But blacks also routinely attack Asians, Hispanics, and others.

        Actually, they don’t. The vast majority of victims of black violence are fellow blacks. It’s not even close, in fact.

    2. Meh. It’s urban culture that is the problem not race. Take any random black kid, raise him in the suburbs and he will end up no different than any white kid raised in the suburbs. And vice-versa.

      Of course, the trouble is, it’s cool to hate the suburbs and love the inner city.

      1. I knew as a kid some children of African immigrants who were essentially raised as white. They integrated as well as anyone else would, did excellent in school; culturally, they were as white as any Italian American or Polish American. The idea that that terrifies the leftists who want to rescue black people from “white society” says everything you need to know about their attitudes on race.

        Things like the relative success of African immigrants in the US or the fact that factors like being raised in a single mother household alone explain the majority of black people’s lag behind other races in education and economics would be the first things anyone who is really against racism would want to point out: these facts are among the best arguments there are against the idea of the innate inferiority of black people.

        And yet, leftists, if anything, try to suppress these facts, because are quite at odds with their own worldview.

  50. But because the media are controlled by anti-white Jews and PC Liberals, we are supposed to pretend that all bad black behavior are carried out by ‘teens’ and ‘youths’.

    In truth, white Liberals bitch about Dylann because, deep down inside, they agree with him. Affluent white Liberals move to whiter communities. They use gentrification or gentric cleansing to lower the number of blacks in cities. Homosexuals are also used for gentrification. So, San Francisco has fewer blacks today than 10 yrs ago. WAshington DC used to be 80% black. Now, it is down to less than 50%. Lots of richest cities are turning more and more white and driving out blacks who end up in poorer white communities and beat up working class whites like Dylann.

    After all, where do all these dangerous blacks go when they are relocated by rich white LIbs who push for gentification? They are sent to working class white communities where white kids get beaten up by tougher blacks.

    1. Sure, white Liberals do integrate with some blacks, but they tend to choose the nicer and better educated ones. Like Obama. They are tokens. As for poorer whites, they end up with the most dangerous blacks. Liberals integrate with the Obamas with the world, while poor whites must integrate with the mike tysons of the world. Jews, the richest people in America, are most segregated away from dangerous blacks. They live real well in white areas with excellent police protection. So, it is amusing that such Jews would talk big and put down poor whites who get attacked by blacks.

      What Dylann did was wrong and evil. But his manifesto touches on many truths of American life that we mustn’t ignore. Just because the action was wrong doesn’t mean the thoughts were all wrong. US was wrong to nuke Japan, but it has good reasons to hate Japan.

      1. Oh, look. American Socialist or whoever is behind the handle made another sock puppet.

        1. Indeed. What a dick

      2. The middle name means “island” in Russian. Clearly, a totally legit name.

        1. Is the title of a book of whoch she is fond.

      3. And it appears he posts anti-semitic stuff on The Blaze. Classy stuff, pal.

        http://www.theblaze.com/user/a…..v-letania/

        1. He has a blog too apparently:

          http://ostrovletania.blogspot.com/

          Ya know, for some comic relief.

      4. WTF? I don’t even…

  51. Dang. I wanted to search Dylann Roof’s racial collectivist manifesto to see if he is a Democrat or Republican, and the links are dead! Wikileaks doesn’t even have it.

  52. OT: I am longtime lurker and very occasional poster.

    Been here since college back in the early aughts.

    [redacted] 6; you have my full moral and to what extent I can, financial support.

    Regarding the idiot in SC; I have a few comments.

    If you haven’t read his manifesto, do. Google it; it is cached. It is very illuminating, but be aware, it is pretty much what you would expect from a person educated up to 9th grade who was also an unabashed white supremacist. It can be simultaneously unintelligible and infuriating.

    I think there are a few things to take from it.

    First, this person was a proud and unrepentant racist. He hated “Blacks” and to a lesser extent “Hispanics” and “Jews”.

    Second, he was a coward. He chose Charleston, and by implication, the church, because he wouldn’t meet any resistance.

    Third, this was a person who couldn’t find acceptance even among other racists. He specifically cites the lack of action by others as part of his motivation. America wasn’t racist enough for him, so he was going to do something about it.

    1. I think these are very important points.

      Yes, this guy was very clearly a racist and motivated by such, he intended to instill terror beyond the scope of his act. He is a terrorist. But he was also a lone wolf. He wasn’t acting on behalf or at the inspiration of some larger hate group.

      Evil people are going to do evil things. There is no way to stop it. We, as a country, and as a species, have been, and will be, dealing with this kind of thing forever.

      Acting like this is some new and heretofore unknown phenomenon helps no one. Neither does ascribing this to the clear result of some hated ideology or another.

      Now and again bad things are going to happen. We’re going to have to deal with them. The best we can do is not panic, not make things worse, and hope to live a life that makes them less likely.

  53. “I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight.”

    So he goes for the good people with no guns ….in the church.

    weak.

    1. someone had to have the bravery to kill an 87 year old woman

  54. The Virginia Tech shooter was Asian. Should they have been required, as a race, to apologize for his actions? Or those of Mao? Or Hirohito? Or Pol Pot? Of course not…

  55. Dude had a plan, and he carried it out.

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  57. Some crazy ideas:

    1. Roof is a racist, but that only informed is choice of target, if he wasn’t hung up on race, he would have picked some other target.

    2. There’s no sign that he was mentally ill, other supposedly the commission of the act itself. I think it’s totally normal for kids that age to violently destroy institutions of authority, just not okay to act on them, so I don’t find it all inexplicable.

    3. Some people hate the world and want to kill people. I don’t think that makes them mentally ill either (if that is such a thing). Back to the question of whether Roof’s murdering was any worse as a racial hate crime as opposed to Kaczynski’s murdering furtherance of his bizarre Luddite manifesto.

  58. Straight up nut case, no doubt about it in my mind. Shameful and such a tragedy for those he killed.

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