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Marco Rubio Bought an $80,000 Fishing Boat and The New York Times Is On It

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It's worth briefly contrasting the way The New York Times covered the finances of the GOP's 2012 presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, with its recent reporting on Florida Sen. Marco Rubio's personal finances.

Mitt Romney, the paper of record repeatedly reminded its readers in both news and opinion pieces, was rich, very rich. His wealth was somewhat awkward politically, and it was protected, to some extent, by a "friendly" tax code.  On a personal level, Romney's habits were extremely, even "comically," frugal, with a few exceptions, and that too was politically complicated, because everyone knew how filthy stinking rich he was. Shouldn't he just own up to it?

One December 2011 story opened with an anecdote in which Romney took a ride in a colleague's brand new Porsche with a price tag of around $90,000 in early 1990s money. "Boy, I really wish I could have one of these things," the colleague recalls him saying. Romney, of course, was rich enough that he could have had a fleet of luxury speedsters. What an oddball, right? The thrust of the coverage, even on the news side, was to suggest that Romney was both appallingly rich, and too weird about money to connect with ordinary Americans. His personal frugality might even suggest that he might consider cutting public spending! Could someone like that really be president?

The 2012 election provided one possible answer to that question, but now there's a new crop of Republican presidential hopefuls, including Marco Rubio, and the Times is raising its eyebrows at the Florida Senator's personal finances too.

Politico via Rubio's Campaign

Yesterday's story opens by noting that after struggling for years with student loan debt, Rubio found a way out in 2012 in the form of an $800,000 book advance. In speeches, Rubio has said, he developed a plan to use the money to pay off his education debt. Rubio did end up using the money toward his school loans, but, the NYT reports, he also "splurged on an extravagant purchase"—an $80,000 "luxury speedboat," which, the Times says, "fulfilled a dream" for the Florida politician.

As Politico notes, the description of the vehicle is somewhat misleading: The 24-foot craft is really better described as an offshore fishing boat, and the price tag includes the motors as well as the base boat. I think it's fair to say that any personal pleasure craft that costs in the vicinity of 80 grand is reasonably described as a luxury item, but it's not exactly the extravagantly decked-out super-speedster that the Times report seems intended to suggest. 

The Times chronicles other moments from Rubio's financial history: racking up house debt even while earning a salary well into six figures, moving in with his mother-in-law while earning a more modest $90,000, saving rather little while earning almost $2.4 million over a decade-long stretch from 1998 to 2008.

But it's the lead-off story about the boat that's most instructive, especially when compared with how the paper covered the GOP's most recent nominee. Romney stuck out for not buying the $90,000 Porsche he admired; Rubio, on the other hand, is notable for plunking down for the $80,000 boat he'd apparently always wanted. For the Times and Republican candidates, it's heads-I-win, tails-you-lose.

And to what end? It's not that I think this information should be off limits; these are true facts about political candidates who deserve intense scrutiny from the media. But what does the public really learn about Rubio from a report like this? There's a brief, half-hearted attempt to draw a connection Rubio's personal finances and his views on government spending and budgeting ("The senator has long portrayed himself as a champion of financial austerity, railing against excessive government spending and runaway debt."), but there's basically nothing on his actual governing record or behavior in office. (You can find a quick look at Rubio's spending and budgeting record, as well as the records of much of the rest of the 2016 presidential field, in the new issue of Reason.)

So for the most part, what you learn is that Rubio, like many other more or less middle class Americans, has sometimes struggled to manage his money, that he made mistakes and learned through trial and error, that he has at times saved too little and, perhaps, on occasion, splurged a little too much, and that, as he has entered his fourth decade, he's finally started to get his financial act together.

In other words, you learn that unlike Romney, whose vast fortune and borderline obsessive personal frugality really was unusual, Rubio has managed his personal finances in ways that will be broadly familiar to millions of Americans. And also, I guess, that he likes to fish.

Maybe the Times did him a favor after all.

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272 responses to “Marco Rubio Bought an $80,000 Fishing Boat and The New York Times Is On It

  1. Hilary would have bought a $90,000 Prius.

    1. her foundation would have bought one for her.

      no. that’s not right.

      it would have bought several for her.

      1. no, it would have been a $190,000 stretch Prius and the driver would be paid $4.95/hour.

        1. $4.95/hour only tips

          1. Tips like “Next time, Don’t veer to avoid the old lady with her walker. Now I’m late for brunch.”

            1. Now I’m late for brunch.

              Where, as with you, I wasn’t going to leave a tip, peasant. Now drive!

            2. Start working at home with Google! It’s by-far the best job I’ve had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this – 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go? to tech tab for work detail,,,,,,,

              ????????????? http://www.pay-buzz.com

        2. With personal chauffeurs.

    2. Hillary’s driver costs more than 80k per year.

      1. In kibble!

      2. My caddy’s chauffeur informs me that a bank is a place where poor people keep money that isn’t donated to them by foreign heads of state.

  2. Why is the Times so scared of Rubio, I wonder?

    1. He’s throwing the Clinton playbook on its head…

      1. What’s so special about a certain address in Atlanta, I wonder?

      2. Love the name. Those things are great for eliminating excess wood, although not much else.

    2. Rubio has now undergone more vetting as a potential candidate than the current Prez has in two Presidential elections.

      And the media is not biased, Fer sho.

  3. I’m curious as to the degree of coverage the NYT devoted to John Kerry’s boat…

    1. As I recall, it wasn’t very much in 2004

      1. That was the degree I was thinking, too.

    2. He could barely afford it because he was nearly broke. He’s so poor, he had to keep it docked out of state to avoid paying taxes on it. I bet his elderly mother was living on it and would have died homeless if not for that boat. So, shut up you mean old cons!

      1. Yeah. Well Kerry’s 7 million dollar boat is a sail boat and has zero carbon footprint and the teabagger’s boat hates mother earth.

    3. A side-by-side comparison of Kerry’s and Rubio’s boats.

      1. That cost 80 grand? Jesus.

        1. Even Dexter had a nicer boat.

        2. It’s a twin engine. That’s expensive all by itself. Bay boats are usually cheaper, but the offshore boats and, oddly, flats boats can run up pretty high.

        3. New boats are stupidly expensive. Pleasure boats lose value so fast, I’d never buy a new one unless I became very rich and wanted something custom.

        4. $30k just for the motors

        5. Sport fishing boats are retarded expensive.

          Where I live the sport fishermen all buy aluminum hulls. Why aluminum hulls? I guess the conductivity helps them freeze their asses off faster while trolling the Columbia river in January.

          Anyway 80k for a fishing boat is middle class. They are like the white suburban version of 55 inch 4k HD ghetto TVs.

          1. I don’t know if it applies to bigger boats, but for the under 20′ range, aluminum hulls retain value because they are worth something as scrap, and fiberglass isn’t. They are often worth more as scrap than as used boats.

      2. You answered my question down post.

        The balls of the New York Times.

      3. …Oh right, his yacht!

        I thought this was referring to his boat in Vietnam.

        1. The one he witnessed all the atrocities from?

      4. “Hey Judge! My dingy is bigger than your whole boat”

  4. And just like the ‘I can see russia from my house’ – this is all the average person will know about Rubio and will vote on the feelz

  5. Jass Shaw is an asshole:

    “We’re talking about a federal judge here. And while it would be nice to pretend that our system of justice treats everyone in the nation as a society of equals, we all know that’s not true. ….[I]f you write anything that sounds like a threat against the life of the President, you’ll find yourself in line for some very special attention.

    “Taking any human life is evil, but when you go after an elected official, a cop or a judge, you are attacking the system of justice and the rule of law which keep us from falling into anarchy and oblivion.

    http://hotair.com/archives/201…..-implodes/

    1. It already is anarchy, I’m just in one of the powerless tribes.

    2. I can’t wait to see the Ezra Klein article on this. He’ll make this guy look like a champion for freedom of speech.

      1. Or Sad Beard.

        1. Sad Beard?

          :-{(}}}}

          I assume this is what you mean.

    3. It is not that he is an asshole so much as he is stupid. He doesn’t understand what constitutes a “threat” under the law. As Somin and other lawyers have pointed out, the comments in question are not even close. My advice to Shaw is to change his name to something less ridiculous and while he is doing that to shut up about this issue and let the adults talk.

      1. It’s not that he is stupid as he seems protective of tyrannical magistrates. He wants to make it difficult for the people to criticize them because he regards them as occupying a higher place than us. Better on this issue is Ed Morrissey, who takes Shaw to task on this very point:

        “Actually, I’d argue the reverse [of Shaw’s position]. Public officials ? and that includes judges ? have lower expectations of defenses from unreasonable or unfair criticism. Posting the picture of a license plate of the person who cut me off in traffic along with descriptions of what I’d like to do to him should and probably would create more legal problems for me. And that’s actually far more than what any of Reason’s commenters did in this case. To give public officials more recourse to investigate criticism sets up a form of l?se majeste that would chill political speech even further.

        http://hotair.com/archives/201…..ee-speech/

      2. His real first name is Hugh.

        1. So he calls himself that? His parents should disown him.

          1. That was entirely a joke. Say “hugh jass” out loud.

            1. I am really dense Zeb. My apologies.

    4. Some animals are more equal than others, and some animals, it seems, like it that way.

      Eat a bag of dicks, Jass Shaw.

      1. Eat a bag of dicks, Jass Shaw.

        Sounds like a threat to me, mister! Where’d you get those bag of dicks from? Huh, huh???

        1. From Popehat, apparently:

          http://popehat.com/2015/06/08/…..eason-com/

          See June 10, 10:11am

        2. Warty molts. Kind of like a bird, except he sheds old dicks.

        3. Oh shit, forgot the disclaimer:

          ***The preceding comment was intended as hyperbole. I do not now, nor have I ever possessed a bag of dicks, nor do I have the capability or intention of forcing Jass Shaw to consume them.***

    5. Check out the comments, Lonewacko makes an appearance. And yeah, he is every bit as stupid as we remember him being.

      1. All the classic trolls are coming out in response to this. Lonewacko, Mary Stack, even DONERROOOOO!

        1. Everyone thinks it was Mary Stack who complained to the USA in New York. Maybe she did it. But it wouldn’t surprise me if it was Dondero. That guy is every bit the embittered loser Stack is. He is just less psychotic.

          1. I think it’s more likely the judge was vanity searching herself after her brilliant legal decision which she was sure would net her nothing but applause and was shocked by the lack of respect she got.

            1. That’s another possibilty.

            2. But a comments section at Hit and Run would come up pretty far down the Google list of hits. It is possible it was her, but I doubt it. She would have to be pretty obsessive about her media coverage for that. More likely, someone with her position and ego would read what the big publications said and not consider anything else worthy of her time.

              I think someone tipped them off.

              1. Here’s Ken White’s take on this:

                “If I were a betting man, I’d bet that one of the Silk Road prosecutors ? or one of the judge’s law clerks ? reads online pieces about the case, saw the comments, and mentioned them to the judge. If I were a betting man, I’d also bet that the judge made a call to the U.S. Attorney’s office and complained.

                “Complaints from federal judges get treated differently than complaints from peons.

                “Drafting and sending a grand jury subpoena is trivially easy. The grand jury doesn’t have to be involved at all. You could do one in five minutes.

                1. That is probably a good guess. Or it may have been one of the USAs. Don’t forget a USA in Louisiana was caught trolling websites about the cops accused of murder during Katrina.

                2. “The grand jury doesn’t have to be involved at all.”

                  I’m just a peon who didn’t finish law school (thus accounting for my shrunken, yet exigent soul and excellent aesthetic sensibilities), but I’d love to hear the non-FYTW reasoning for this.

          2. I was thinking maybe it was either Mary Stack, Tulpa, or Bo. Although I doubt the last 2 would do it. They’ve seen comments like that here for a long time, often directed at them and haven’t tried to snitch to the feds.

            Someone must have tipped the feds off though. The only other explanation I xan think of is that someone in the federal prosecutor’s or the judge’s office was keeping tabs on news coverage of the case and saw the comments. I’d like to think they have better things to do with their time.

            1. Tulpa snitches all the time. Maybe he got someone to listen.

              1. Tulpa snitches all the time.

                Didn’t know that. That was his last semi-redeeming quality I thought he had: that at least he wasn’t a snitch. Oh well.

            2. Like run guns to Mexican Drug Lords?

      2. For a specific example, I’ve sent dozens of questions to @Cecilia44 designed to show the Obama admin wrong on amnesty.

        I lol’d.

      3. “Lonewacko makes an appearance”

        What’s his handle?

        1. He is the top comment. The one with 24ahead.com. that is some idiotic website he runs.

          1. Oh that’s right. It’s been so long.

            1. Is lonewacko American (not the nationality, the poster)?

    6. Jazz Shaw never met an authoritarian boot he would not lick. He’s defended literally every cop who has found himself in the news, completely without regard for how the cop actually behaved. He defended the cop who rolled up and shot Tamir Rice without even pausing to consider if the kid actually had a gun.

      “Taking any human life is evil, but when you go after an elected official, a cop or a judge, you are attacking the system of justice and the rule of law which keep us from falling into anarchy and oblivion.”

      He basically is a fascist and I’m amazed an allegedly ‘small government conservative’ website employs that idiot. He adores the state in all its manifestations because it’s the only thing keeping the scary Negros from stealing Jazz Shaw’s unironic fedora collection.

      1. Re-posting from this morning: Jazz Shaw

        1. He looks like someone who tried to pick up your 12 year old daughter on the internet.

          1. I wonder what his position on sheep is.

            1. Bottom.

              1. Near a cliff.

      2. I also like that he says the “libertarians” are up in arms even though most conservative sites I’ve seen (with the exception of outright authoritarians like Jazz Shaw) have also been calling this a horrible abuse of power.

        Shaw actually gets fed into a woodchipper himself by his own commenters, and I have it on good authority that an awful lot of people commenting at Hot Air are not libertarians. It almost seems like Shaw fucked up and pissed off the readers of his own site with his incessant authority worship.

    7. I’d like to go through HuffPo and NYT comments for “threats” of a similar nature againat Alito, Scalia, and Thomas. Our level of vitriol is no higher and less partisan than any of these sites. Or the people cheering for cops to “bash some heads”.

      1. Oh, they exist. I remember reading such comments in the comment section back before I stopped going to these sites. (They were particularly bad regarding Thomas, I seem to recall) The thing is, these comments do not matter to the authorities because this is more about hitting Reason and chilling speech on the right than serving justice.

        1. With Thomas, you not only get the stupid and violent comments, but incredibly racist ones as well.

          1. When you step off of the Plantation, the massas tend to get irritated.

    8. 2 to 1 says this gets used against Rand Paul in some manner.

    9. Oh man, apparently Jazz Shaw recently said that someone he didn’t like should ‘die in a fire’ so all the commenters are asking him when he’s expecting a visit from the Feds.

      It’s probably a bad idea to claim that saying ‘someone should feed her to a woodchipper’ is not protected speech when you recently said something substantively similar, but Shaw is not particularly bright.

      1. That is priceless. My guess is that his response, if he gives one, will be something to the effect of “that person wasn’t a federal judge”, because you know only the inner members of the party are entitled to protection not the proles.

        1. That IS the whole point of his piece.

    10. “Taking any human life is evil, but when you go after an elected official, a cop or a judge, you are attacking the system of justice and the rule of law which keep us from falling into anarchy and oblivion.”

      It’s just a thin line….
      Between assholes like this guy loves putting the boots to every neck and what might be called a civilized republic.
      BTW, Paul’s got a blog open for comment and I linked this over there earlier.

      1. elected officials, cops and judges derive their power from us, they are not special TOP MEN. If they behave tyrannically, they deserve to be called out in any form whatsoever so long as it doesn’t violate the law, which hasn’t happened.

        Their tyrannical behavior actually creates the lawlessness and anarchy that he mentions.

        1. elected officials, cops and judges derive their power from us, they are not special TOP MEN. If they behave tyrannically, they deserve to be called out in any form whatsoever so long as it doesn’t violate the law, which hasn’t happened.

          The logical flaw in that analysis; elected officials and judges somewhat, create and delineate “law”. If tyranny is redefined as within legal bounds, AS IT ALMOST ALWAYS IS, then your point about how and why to call someone out is moot.

    11. HotAir is 100% SoCon TEAM RED bullshit.

    12. HotAir is 100% SoCon TEAM RED bullshit.

    13. So I guess that Shaw would sic the FBI on G.K. Chesterton for observing how terrible it is to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.

    14. Fuck hotair, statist assholes.

  6. It’s a good thing that no Democrat politicians are rich and that they’ve all taken a vow of poverty and given all of their earthly possessions to the poor.

    I honestly can’t understand why Democrats don’t grow wings and a halo over their head.

    1. That would make them show-offs.

    2. Agreed. Because being rich and doing things with your money is teh evilz.

      And nevermind the gaping disparity in charitable deductions by Republican politicians vs. those of Democrats.

      1. It’s only evil if you’re not a democrat. Democrats only do those things for the public good, so it’s ok. Every time Hillary gets mega bucks for a speech, it saves millions of children. So, shutup, baggers!

        1. The democrats have already done so much good with your money, it would be selfish of you to ask them to spend theirs.

  7. So, the NYT’s has officially run more attack pieces on Rubio’s finances and speeding tickets than Hillary taking bribes from foreign governments, right?

    1. Fake scandalz!

    2. Good thing U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch has got HER priorities in order and will be investigating these things, right after she tackles this very important FIFA investigation.

      1. Still not sure why the USA got involved with FIFA though. I must have missed the USA angle to all this. Anyone care to enlighten me?

        1. Spite. We were supposed to get some big international sporting event as a thank you for electing Obama. Somebody has to pay for offending his majesty.

        2. We busted one of their guys here in the US for some kind of fraud. My guess is that he then offered up all of his colleagues overseas to get a better deal for himself. That’s the only reason the FBI bothered to get involved.

          1. There was evidence of massive fraud in CONCACAF, which is the regional soccer federation we are a part of. Chuck Blazer was the U.S. rep and basically started dishing all the goods. Plus there is the usual “use of the U.S. banking system.”

    3. Seriously, have you not figured this out yet?

      Abusing government resources, killing citizens without trial, throwing people in jail for making vidoes, lying about terrorist attacks in Libya, and violating transparency laws to take bribes are FAKE SCANDALS!!!!

      Whereas, getting a speeding ticket once every four years or traffic jams in New Jersey are the most pressing issues of modern times.

      Do try to keep up.

    4. Brochettaward|6.10.15 @ 3:49PM|#
      “So, the NYT’s has officially run more attack pieces on Rubio’s finances and speeding tickets than Hillary taking bribes from foreign governments, right?”

      “Bribes” you say?
      Why do you focus on the negative here? The Clintons are warm-hearted people only trying to help the downtrodden, and here you make accusations where none have yet been proven in a court of law!

      1. The Clintons have not been convicted of ANYTHING!, so asking questions about all the suspicious behaviors and destruction of evidence just shows that you’re a sexist teathuglikkkan!

    5. She literally sold State Department polices for hundreds of millions of dollars, but they are worried about this shitty boat.

  8. I look forward to the NYT’s equally detailed and intrusive proctological exam of Hillary Clinton’s finances.

    1. Take a deep breath and hold it.

  9. Yeah, and Hillary probably pays $200 a pop for her fugly haircuts (not including color).

    1. Rubio owns an $80,000 boat and an $800,000 home. That’s like 3 and a half speeches for Hillary and less than half the amount of property taxes Chelsea Clinton pays (or, rather, her investment banker husband pays) on her Manhattan home.

      1. And the only reason Mitt didn’t have that stuff is because he didn’t want to pay his fair share of taxes on that property.

  10. “Behold, the field where I harvest my fucks to give, and see that it is barren.”

    Seriously, why should I give a fuck if Marco Rubio wants to buy an $80,000 boat? Oh wait, I’m supposed to be all pissed off and envious that a rat fucking Teathuglikkkan like him gets to have a nice boat while I don’t. Nevermind, carry on.

    1. Actually I like him better now that I know he fishes.

      1. Do we know that’s what he uses the boat for?

        1. No,but the pic looks like a center console. Mostly for fishing. Mostly.

            1. But the boat isn’t named “Monkey Business”….

              1. +1 Donna Rice

          1. At 1/5 the price, I’d rather have this:
            http://www.boattrader.com/list…..-102497569

            1. Where the hell am I supposed to keep my bait and catches on that thing?

              Boats are expensive. I’m unsurprised by the price tag on Rubio’s.

            2. Rubio likely fishes with that boat. Your toy boat isn’t good for that purpose, nor can strippers easily ply their trade on it.

              1. I just need a fast way to get to the Bahamas when…. you know.

        2. Rescuing Cuban refugees

    2. “Tax the evil 1% and implement a federal government program to give free boats for all!!”

      /prog

  11. I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and suggest that this is why Rubio isn’t presidential material. Everyone experienced in this game knows you have your foundation make that purchase and keep the title in the foundation’s name.

    1. More to the point, buying a boat is stupid. What you really want is a friend who owns a boat. All of the fun without the costs.

      1. remember the rule: if it flies, floats or fucks, rent. don’t buy.

      2. What about being the friend with the boat?

        Although friends with boats tend to have friends with boats, so maybe it’s easier just being the friend.

      3. It’s only stupid if you can’t easily afford it. Even a relatively cheap boat can be a bit of a white elephant, especially if you have to keep it at a marina.

        1. keep it at a marina.

          Even if you don’t, not everyone has a vehicle to pull it, and a place to easily park it. So if you don’t keep it in the marina, depending on the size of the boat, you may have to buy a large towing-capacity vehicle, and then create or enhance a place on your property to put it.

          1. Rubio strikes me as a big SUV guy, maybe even owns a truck. I say pulls.

      4. And all of us boat owners know that. That is why all of my friends are boat owners and the non boat owners that get on my boat do so when I want something from them .

        They usually always cough it up just to get to go fishing on the boat and hang with the cool people.

        Boat owners aren’t stupid, and owning a boat isn’t stupid.

        People who claim that if it flies, fucks, or floats should rent and not buy are usually always those who can’t afford to buy and are jealous of those who can.

    2. No shit, it’s like he doesn’t even know how corruption works. This is why we need a seasoned pro like Shrillary as president. She’s been corrupt since before Rubio was an itch in his daddy’s balls.

      1. You know, in a weird way, I bet some of the greater powers that be actually do want someone who knows how to handle the graft flow, even if it’s someone from the other party.

        1. I think you are right.

          Is anyone here old enough to remember Abscam ?

          It details how the graft money flows. There is actually an entire industry set up to protect the elected while making sure they get paid.

  12. it’s like the concept of the middle class is foreign to them. you’re either a 1%er or an in need of a $15 minimum wage.

    1. In their defense, the middle class is getting smaller so it’s hard to notice them anymore.

    2. To be fair, in most cities completely run by Democrats, that’s about accurate….

  13. Between this and the speeding ticket story, one must wonder if Rubio has a plant inside the New York Times whose purpose is to run these ridiculous stories that make him look sympathetic.

    1. I laughed pretty hard at the speeding ticket article.

      NEWSPAPER OF RECORD

      1. SEVENTEEN TICKETS. I mean, between him and his wife. Just four for Rubio. Two of which were dropped after taking the safety course. TWO TICKETS. In ~20 years. The scofflaw.

        1. Between Hitler and Rubio, millions of Jews were murdered.

          1. Fucking. Priceless.

            Stealing.

            1. Seconds.

        2. I mean come on, speeding tickets? Amateur hour.

          He can’t be properly be considered a contender for the presidency until he drives off a bridge and leaves a girl to drown.

          1. Hillary hasn’t driven herself anywhere in decades. Nothing says presidential quite like a strong sense of noblesse oblige.

          2. Grand, that would have been the best Rubio response:

            “I’ve caught some traffic tickets, like most people who don’t drivers to chauffeur them around, but I didn’t realize I needed to drive off a bridge and leave a girl to drown for the NYT to consider me a serious contender for the Presidency. I guess I’ll just to have soldier on without the support of the Times.”

            1. You could do a similar schtick on the boat, too:

              “Yeah, I bought a pretty nice fishing boat. I didn’t realize that someone who was real Presidential timber needed to have a yacht parked in a low-tax jurisdiction.”

        3. And which he paid, I might add. Unlike Obama and the delinquent parking tickets that didn’t get paid until he ran for President.

        4. Did he ever run over his dog in an SUV?

  14. “[…]But what does the public really learn about Rubio from a report like this?[…]”

    Not a whole lot, but we do learn a whole lot about the NYT, if we choose to do so.

  15. OT: In case you have not seen this yet, Charles Cooke comments on the war that is not a war.

    In the meantime, though, the process will serve as the punishment. Asinine. Iniquitous. UnAmerican.

    Even the commenters there are on the side of good, if there was a war, which there isn’t. One of the commenters, a “woman” claims to also post here and enjoys SugarFree? I am so confused. What is going on?

    1. The more we learn of this prosecutor, the more this behaviour begins to make sense.

    2. Cooke and Iowahawk are about the last two conservatives out there I actually respect.

      1. Kevin Williamson is worth respecting as well. Even my list, however, is getting pretty short.

        1. I’m a big fan of Williamson. I don’t fall in line with his views on abortion or immigration (typical), but at least he doesn’t pretend he holds a moderate position on either.

          1. I like all three. Williamson is a maniac, but he is also fun.

        2. Forgot about him. Yeah, he’s still on the list as well.

    3. enjoys SugarFree?

      Man, there’s a lot to unpack there.

      1. Alicia_P freegrl ? 2 hours ago
        My FAVE is a little ditty from “Sugar Free”. An “ode” to Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie and a peach pie.

        SF is demented, but in a vulgarly charming way.

        That has to be SugarFree, right? Or a sock-puppet of someone?

        1. There are three ladies on that thread all talking about how much they love Reason commenters. So either it is a sock or we need to get together in person more often.

      2. a lot to unpack there

        Yeah…imagine who “packed” it.

        /Sorry, SF.

    4. Crusty Juggler|6.10.15 @ 4:00PM|#
      “OT: In case you have not seen this yet, Charles Cooke comments on the war that is not a war.”

      And it looks like not a single one drug up the ‘vile, nasty, drunk teenager’ trope; amazing!

    5. It is rumored that a lot of women enjoy sugar free.

      I guess they are watching their weight.

  16. “has managed his personal finances in ways that will be broadly familiar to millions of Americans.”

    Well, poor money management should be broadly familiar to thousands of politicians.

  17. That boat’s smaller than the one on Gilligan’s Island.
    The Times has crossed the line from partisan to just sad.

  18. That thing is $80k? Wow. I would have guessed half that.

    1. Boats are very expensive. And that is just the beginning. The 80K is just a down payment on the resulting upkeep. That thing about boats being holes in the water you poor money in is a cliche because its true.

      1. I thought about even buying a small boat at one point. Quickly figured out it’s not worth it. It’s a worse money sink than a house. I’d rather rent.

      2. What do you think, does he trailer it in, or does he rent a slip?

        1. He looks like a trailer guy to me.

    2. That thing is $80k? Wow. I would have guessed half that.

      Agreed. Wife and I looked at boats a few years ago and with the downturn people were selling boats for about 1/2 the normal price.

  19. Maybe I am naive but I think these stories are so self evidently ridiculous, that they are likely to help Rubio. I think most people seeing this will think “if this is all they have, Rubio must be alright”. And the ridiculous nature of this only serves to highlight the seriousness of Hilary’s ethical problems.

  20. “an $80,000 “luxury speedboat,”

    LMAO. This reminds me of the sexual harassment Simpsons episode where the media was camped out in front of “the Simpsons compound”

    1. @NYTimes BREAKING: Marco Rubio sleeps nude in an oxygen tent he claims gives him sexual powers

      1. In a recent NYT poll, more than 80% of respondents belief Mr. Rubio is guilty. Of course this isn’t legally binding, unless the proposed executive order is entered. And we all pray it will be soon.

  21. The NYT is not in any way implying that Marc Rubio did blow with hookers on his boat and was trafficking Cuban refugees. I repeat, the NYT is not in any way implying that Marc Rubio did blow with hookers on his boat and was trafficking Cuban refugees. Let me absolutely clear: the NYT is not in any way implying that Marc Rubio did blow with hookers on his boat and was trafficking Cuban refugees.

    1. What was that about carnal knowledge of sheep? Wasn’t that what you were posting about?

    2. First ju get the money, then ju get the boat, then ju get the white house

  22. racking up house debt even while earning a salary well into six figures, moving in with his mother-in-law while earning a more modest $90,000, saving rather little while earning almost $2.4 million over a decade-long stretch from 1998 to 2008.

    Sounds like half my boss’s bankruptcy clients.

    1. racking up house debt even while earning a salary well into six figures,

      Also known as “buying a bigger house” or “renovating”. This is hardly unusual behavior.

      moving in with his mother-in-law while earning a more modest $90,000,

      Also known as “financial prudence”. Maybe a little . . . off . . . for a grown man, but even the NYT knows better than to go there these days.

      saving rather little while earning almost $2.4 million over a decade-long stretch from 1998 to 2008.

      Garsh. $240K a year is pretty good coin, but hardly the stuff of robber barons. I’d be curious to know how many NYT employees had household income in this range (probably a lot of them) and also saved “rather little” (again, probably a lot of them).

      Yeah, this only looks strange to people who live in a particular bubble, and have little contact with normal people.

      1. Remember,

        Rubio borrowing and paying back money is really worrisome. Half of the on air personalities on MSNBC not paying their taxes is just a personal matter only racist tea baggers care about.

      2. Thomas Friedman makes between $60,000 ? $84,750 per speech.

        His salary in 2005 was supposedly 300,000.

        1. So he’s a slow talker?

          1. My guess is that not many people want to pay money to hear Thomas Friedman speak

      3. In fairness I would rather vote for Dave Ramsey then vote for Rubio…..of course that goes 99% of all presidential candidates, rich or poor.

  23. The senator has long portrayed himself as a champion of financial austerity, railing against excessive government spending and runaway debt

    Something tells me the NYT fails to see a difference between Rubio’s own money and someone else’s (i.e., taxpayers) money.

    I’m equally confident that the NYT DEFINITELY sees a difference between the NYT’s own money and someone else’s (i.e., taxpayers) money.

    Funny how that goes.

  24. My only question here is – why is the NYT printing these stories now? Like, what’s the imperative? The Hillary thing has already pretty much died down, thanks to the media dropping it. The primaries aren’t for down the road.

    Maybe they’ve written off Jeb and see Rubio as the next frontrunner. They may want to torpedo him before he can gain the traction. Yet, no one is actually excited for Rubio. The left loves to think that the candidates they deem ‘serious’ on the right are the ones the right actually wants.

    1. The Hillary thing has already pretty much died down, thanks to the media dropping it.

      And the total disinterest of federal prosecutors in pursuing a lay-down public corruption case.

      Two words:

      Banana.

      Republic.

      1. Hey the Feds are too busy tracking anonymous mean libertarians to be bothered with a few more Clinton felonies.

    2. My only question here is – why is the NYT printing these stories now?

      I got a feeling it’s coming from Jeb’s camp.

      1. It’s all one camp.

    3. why is the NYT printing these stories now?

      Apparently because that’s what the Democrat’s opposition research goons are feeding them, and they’re too fucking lazy to actually get out of their offices and look for any real news.

      -jcr

  25. Remind me what type of boat John Kerry owns again?

    1. Never mind. Grizzly answered it.

    2. The kind that say’s you’ve arrived in DC politics.

      1. One bought with your spouse’s money?

  26. Is it Penny’s boat?

    1. NOT PENNY’S BOAT

  27. Rubio did end up using the money toward his school loans, but, the NYT reports, he also “splurged on an extravagant purchase”?an $80,000 “luxury speedboat,” which, the Times says, “fulfilled a dream” for the Florida politician.

    “Do we really want to live in an America where people go around using the money they’ve earned to fulfill their dreams?” – NYT

    1. And on a “luxury speed boat”. What exactly is a non luxury speed boat? What a chickenshit perversion of the language that is.

      1. I’m not a big fan of dog whistles, but that “luxury speed boat” is so obviously false it was put in there for a reason.

        And I’m thinking it maybe was a dog whistle for cigarette boats. You know, the kind used by drug smugglers. Hispanic drug smugglers. When you see a Hispanic in a cigarette boat . . . .

        1. The “dog whistle” charge is like everything else they say, pure projection. They fucking dog whistle all of the time.

        2. There is no such thing as a “luxury” 24′ center console. Center consoles are fishing/diving boats. Pretty much the opposite of luxury. But at 24′ it is probably big enough to have a head in the console.

          And while there are performance brands of center console, they cost way more than 80k for 24′. And mostly you wouldn’t look at one that small for performance – they have longer hulls and 3 or 4 motors. So not really a speedboat either.

          It is a boat though. So that word is true. Not a luxury boat. Not a speed boat. Certainly not a luxury speed boat. But it is a boat…

          So the truth meter can only rate it one pinochio, because they did get one out of three words correct. Wait…. if it can move at all, it technically has a speed. So that part is ok. And a second engine is a luxury. You don’t really need one. You know what, let’s just go ahead and rate this one as true.

  28. I’m only half joking about what I said about Rubio above. I actually believe that the NYT sees rubio as a small time operative… the used car salesman fudging his 1040, keeping an extra c-note in his sock to hide from his ex-wife’s alimony payment.

    Sure, Hillary might be corrupt, but her corrupt affects heads of state. She may be corrupt, but at least she’s a Big Game Player and therefore, a worthy contender.

    1. The people at the Times are more than anything else boot lickers of the powerful. They fucking love power and will do anything to be near people who have it. You make a good point that what they loath about Rubio is more than anything else, even his politics, is that he isn’t powerful.

    2. In addition to the Big Lie, Hillary offers Big Graft. It’s so big, it’s okay. Like when the government murders or steals–not a crime anymore.

      1. When you pay $80,000 for a yacht, it’s a tragedy. When you accept millions in donations with glaring conflicts of interest… it’s just a statistic.

        1. Pretty much. It’s funny, a few years ago, I didn’t think we were this far gone. While there are little sparks of resistance against the corruption and increasingly unlimited power of government, it’s not at all what I once would’ve expected with as much lawless behavior that’s occurring. America has such an opportunity to be a place where people are free and relatively wealthy, but we’re throwing it all away for. . .what?

          1. America has such an opportunity to be a place where people are free and relatively wealthy, but we’re throwing it all away for. . .what?

            Fairness.

  29. Wait until they find out about the time he “othered” the little red head girl in 2nd grade. This man is a monster right up there with college dropout Scott Walker.

    1. You think you are kidding. During the 2012 election, they did a hit piece on Romney about how he was mean to some kid in high school. I am not kidding.

      1. You know, I think I remember that. Darned bully.

        I get favoring one side over the other, I really do, but if you have to lie and distort reality so much to get your guy elected. . .something is wrong not only with your guy but with your voters.

        1. Romney could have plausibly run as a Democrat with very little change in his platform. It really demonstrated how deeply something is wrong with both candidates and voters.

          1. A lot of these “moderate” candidates could run either way, which doesn’t strike me as a good thing. I don’t need extra evil.

      2. I’ve never thought much of Romney as a politician. But I found it amusing in 2012 that just about every attempted attack on him seemed to be something that made me like him slightly more if anything.

        1. I had a similar reaction. I definitely found him a little more tolerable towards the end, though I still didn’t vote for him. There’s no doubt in my mind that he’d have been a subpar president, yet eleventy billion times better than the current resident.

        2. Yep. There was no way he was going to get my vote, but it was so clear that everything he said was fodder for a hostile media.

          I remember pointing out that the one time he really came on strong during his campaign is when he criticized the administration on Benghazi, and NPR called it a “gaffe”.

  30. https://reason.com/blog/2012/01…..worth-mill

    Elizabeth Warren owns a house worth $5m and Reason is all over it.

    1. She also made big money representing the same banks she now claims to despise. And she makes a half a million dollars a year working for a university with a $35 Billion endowment and which has set the pace in higher education inflation. But she really cares about students and their debts.

      Yeah Joe, she is loathsome self serving hypocrite and liar who has gotten rich off of the very things she now makes her political career claiming to stand against. But hey Rubio bought a speed boat on credit once. Lets keep things in perspective.

      God you are a loathsome partisan moron.

      1. Ah, the selective outrage about hypocrites always so evident here!

        1. no the fact that you are an idiot who never got over being three feet tall and will do anything to pretend that people like Warran are not corrupt hypocrites playing boobs like you for fools is what is evident.

          Joe you are the boobeoisie. The kind of idiot people like Warren and Hillary prey upon. If it didn’t have such bad effects on the rest of us it would be funny.

        2. And I know you are not big on book learning or math, but last I looked five million was exponentially greater than eighty thousand.

          1. Do let us know, John, the dollar cutoff for hypocrisy, won’t you?

            1. You are every bit as stupid as you always have been. He probably owns a watch too. IS that an outrage?

              Difference in quantity matters. It is an interesting question, are you actually this stupid or such a craven partisan you are reduced to acting this stupid because your cause has become so indefensible. I think it might be the latter, which makes your descent all that much more sad, pathetic and funny.

              1. https://reason.com/blog/2012/12…..ouse-scale

                Hey, Michele Obama doubled the number of Christmas decorations, and the family took a vacation to Hawaii, and nick Gillespie was all over it! Inquiring minds want to know!

                1. You’re right, spending $80,000 of your own money on a boat is EXACTLY the same as spending millions of taxpayer dollars on a vacation! You sure pwned John!

      2. Is this the Joe from years gone past who vowed never to return?

    2. she’s the one crying about inequality joe p.

      keep up the good work.
      every minute you aren’t city planning, your community gets better.

      1. And Rubio is the one pretending to stand for fiscal responsibility. How are those rose colored glasses?

        My oh my, the liberterians love to dish, but certainly have excuses for there own hypocrisy.

  31. It’s like these asshats have never heard of someone poor saving for something that is really, really important to them. Believe it or not, minimum wage flunkies sometimes go on overseas vacations or buy a really sweet sports car- because they saved every extra penny they had and spent them all on that *one* thing.

    1. Believe it or not, minimum wage flunkies sometimes go on overseas vacations or buy a really sweet sports car- because they saved every extra penny they had and spent them all on that *one* thing.

      And that, comrade, is why we can’t let the proletariat manage their own finances.

  32. like Carlos Slim doesn’t have a yacht.

    1. And a newspaper. The NY Times apparently paid back his “rescue” loan. I guess they got tired of running stories about how Americans mistreat Mexicans and profiles of Mr. Slim’s human rights record

  33. They did Rubio a favor- makes him look like a regular guy. I’m not a fan of his but anybody that the NYToiletpaper doesn’t like deserves a 2nd look. (still a no, me no likee his NSA stance)

    1. Try this out for size – “if you’ve ever been given a speeding ticket, Rubio is one of us”

  34. “And to what end?”

    To attack enemies of the Progressive Theocracy, thereby protecting and furthering it’s power. Duh.

  35. https://reason.com/blog/2013/02…..ry-pledges

    Of course, the above is Reason telling you how a government official views his own money matters when in office. After all, “money is no object to the heir to the Heinz FORTUNE” so it isn’t for the Sec. Of State. Oh, but he isnt a member of party of choice, is he?

    1. Donating $60M to ISIS is pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.

      1. Not as dumb as McCain giving them weaponry paid for by the taxpayer, mind you, but still pretty idiotic.

      2. But hypocritical of Reason to be chastising the Times for reporting on a candidate’s personal management of money when Reason does it as well. Pot, meet kettle.

        1. Yes, the two circumstances are identical, and Reason is known to be in the bag for Rubio and Team Red.

          Thank you for contributing to our enlightenment, and best wishes in your continuing itinerant voyages across the interwebs. May you find safe harbor far from here preaching the blessed gospel of TUUU QUOQUEEEEE.

          1. Not identical. Whereas the Times reports on govt. official’s finances, they at least don’t criticize other media outlets who do the exact same thing. That would be hypocritical of them. They leave the hypocrisy to Reason.

            But good to see that you realize Reason is in the bag for team red. You’re getting there!

  36. But what does the public really learn about Rubio from a report like this?

    Why, if they don’t think too critically, exactly what the Times intended:

    “Rubio is bad with money and buys stupid toys and don’t vote for him ewwwww.”

    Sure, if they bother to actually think, they might learn what you suggest – but is the Times’ readership going to do that, regarding a Republican?

    1. Why, if they don’t think too critically, exactly what the Times intended:

      “Rubio is bad with money and buys stupid toys and don’t vote for him ewwwww.”

      I’m sorry, but what does this information tell a “critical thinker” like you?

      Personally, I think unless you are super rich or retired, you have no business buying a boat, period.

  37. it’s almost as if some people want you to say that you want to be president because you have bills to pay and love the retirement package, and that’s the only noble financial status they can understand. i mean, i’d take the job…i could use the raise, and i need to meet new people, but i’m thinking we can do better. even if they’re rich too.

  38. A pretty hacky piece with a lot of editorializing. Of course… oh Jackand Ace has it covered. Reason’s hypocrisy is far more damning, because it’s supposed to be poxing both houses, while everyone knows the NYT is a Democratic party rag. Like when it broke all those helpful stories about Hillary’s emails.

    1. What is the hypocrisy being shown here and why is it far more damning?

  39. Hey, remember when we learned that John Kerry registered his yacht in another state to avoid paying taxes on it?

    IIRC the tax bill was more than the cost of Rubio’s boat.

  40. I think what the story tells me is not that Rubio is rich, but that he is imprudent with money. And I don’t like that in a presidential candidate.

    1. Of the things to dislike about Rubio, this one would seem to be pretty far down the list to anyone with a sense of proportionality or political wisdom.

      Which means that it would have strong appeal to the same people who spent more time complaining about Romney’s doghouse than his bellicosity or Obama’s execution of an American child. Which is to say, 95% of professional political chatterers.

      1. Wait, Romney was bellicose?

        1. Compared to Paul, yes. Compared to Bush, no.

          Whatever his personal character, Romney would’ve had zero trouble sending troops all over the globe to continue Operation Glorious Budget Bust, and probably would’ve been a step back from the present notably warmongery warmonger in chief.

    2. As opposed to Hillary, who is imprudent with integrity.

      No need to be financially prudent.

      The money just sort of takes care of itself when you sell your office to the highest bidders.

    3. If you really get THAT out of this story, you must have some unfrickingbelievable imagination.

  41. The cloud of dirty money around Obama will blow people’s minds after he leaves office. He’ll be the first billionaire ex president and it will take fewer than 3 year.

    1. Algore and Slick Willie have some excellent stock tips they’d like to share.

  42. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
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  43. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
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  44. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
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  45. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
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  46. The NYT is hardly the paper of record anymore. In fact after reading the kind of trash they’re calling news I think it’s fair to say that The Times has become the tabloid of record!

    1. No, no, a Tabloid is at least amusing. The Times has become the New York City equivalent of the kind of small town newspaper that exists in places like Columbia Maryland; provincial, poorly written, subject to odd and obvious biases. And hotly defended by its very provincial, studiedly ignorant audience.

  47. I will agree its BS for his money to matter, he sold a book, made some money, bought a boat. Good for him!
    They are clearly trying to drive a wedge between him and the average joe, which is absurd.
    It is also absurd to call Romney “Frugal”
    Real Estate: +$18 million
    Transportation: +$425,000
    Gold: +$260,000
    Romney owns horses through Rob Rom Enterprises, LLC, a Moorpark, Calif.-based entity that has a one-third stake in Rafalca, a 15-year-old Oldenburg mare that represented the U.S. in the Reem/Acra World Cup Final in the Netherlands in late April.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ed…..y-worth/2/

    And that is the tip of the iceberg. I do not in any way begrudge him wealth, but frugal?
    That is false, and just as the Times was trying to slight an angle to push thier view, so did this story.

  48. If this nothingburger and the lame piece about four traffic tickets in 17 years are the best opposition research the NY Slimes can dig up, then the left is in big, big trouble for 2016. Never mind that they are relying on David “Half-Ass” Brock’s American Bridge to the Outhouse for their material. Why not just have a funeral for NY journalism? What a joke!

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