Minimum Wage

Los Angeles Pulls Trigger on Massive Minimum Wage Hike; Doesn't Know Who Will Actually Have to Pay It

Demands $15 per hour by 2020.

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Credit: Wesley Wolfbear Pinkham / photo on flickr

The City Council of Los Angeles has formally said yes to a huge increase in the city's minimum wage. By 2020, businesses within the city will be expected to pay their employees a minimum of $15 per hour. The council voted in the affirmative (again) on Tuesday, but have essentially put off dealing with the controversies that have popped up over who would actually be affected by the new rules. From the Los Angeles Times:

One lingering, highly contentious question is whether unionized companies should be allowed to negotiate for a sub-minimum wage with their employees. The Los Angeles County Federation of Labor sought to add that provision to the ordinance in the final days of the debate, saying that it would help avert legal challenges and allow union workers to trade pay increases for other benefits as they saw fit.

Business groups angrily attacked it as a ploy to prod companies to unionize. Deluged with criticism, council members agreed to study the provision further. …

Other sensitive, pending issues include whether to loosen the minimum wage requirement for programs that train the disadvantaged and disaffected for jobs. Another unresolved matter is whether to restrict restaurants' use of surcharges to offset added labor costs.

Lawmakers are also examining how the wage law would apply to out-of-town companies whose workers venture into Los Angeles. Several council members also asked for a report on whether to exempt small businesses — those with up to 50 workers — when the value of employee benefits meets or exceeds the wage requirements.

And then this:

Asked why they approved the ordinance with so many issues in flux, council members said they wanted to give businesses and workers time to plan for the new wage mandates.

Have a good, dark laugh. Good luck trying to plan, businesses and workers!

There's a lot to shake one's head about here. They're actually considering trying to prohibit restaurants, which often have tiny profit margins, from passing their new costs along to customers, which is just flat-out bonkers.

Brian Doherty and Matt Welch have previously written about concerns with the Los Angeles plan, Doherty about how it could absolutely screw over non-profits who help provide work and train people on the margins of society (like ex-convicts) and Welch about how the labor unions, who have been the primary force driving this whole effort, want to exempt themselves from the law.

Let me be a little more clear: This was exactly the labor unions' goal all along. We have seen this in previous instances where cities have introduced drastic minimum wage increases, again after heavy pushes by labor unions. In fact we saw it earlier in Los Angeles when the city forced hotels with more than 300 employees to pay minimum wages even higher than this proposed plan. Union labor is exempt if they negotiate lower salaries.

This "minimum wage" is meant to actually be a tax on non-union labor. I wrote about this situation last December:

What better way to get workers to accept unionization than to force a situation where they could be laid off unless their employers agree to unionized collective bargaining to keep wages down? But the unions will claim they're the ones looking out for the workers. And they'll blame corporate greed for any layoffs while counting their union dues off in the corner.

But now the City Council doesn't seem to be excluding organized labor from the rules just yet, which would be hilarious if it sticks. But the cynic in me expects that it won't. There's still time for donations. Oops, I mean there's still time for amendments. Amendments is what I meant.

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  1. Rand’s villains may have been one dimensional, but she wasn’t wrong.

    1. I thinking now that Rand gave her villians one more dimension than the villians in reality.

  2. By 2020? As I understand, it is entirely a win-win proposition with no downsides whatsoever, ergo this is bullshit. Make it start tomorrow. I’ll just be over here, with a bucket of hot buttered popcorn.

    1. No shit, people are literally starving in the streets of LA and dying by the thousands ! If the LA City Council actually cared about the millions in poverty they would implement this now !!!!

      1. The idea of the minimum wage isn’t to get rid of poverty, just to get rid of poor people. No more low-wage employees means no more low-wage employers means the low-wage employees are going to have to go somewhere else, anywhere else. I’m pretty sure the studies done 5 years down the road on this are going to show a positive impact for LA – nobody’s poor in LA any more.

        1. $153.00 per hour min wage, bring it ON baby!!! (With special exceptions for special people. Well, ain’t that just SPECIAL, now?)

          Where do I apply to be a “special person”?

    2. Goodbye California, the dream was beautiful but, now all that remains is the nightmare

  3. “Nuh uh!” – liberals everywhere

  4. Alms for an ex-employer.

  5. OT: Why aren’t we making fun of these pictures?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new…..-1.2245998

    This one is particularly horrible.
    http://tinyurl.com/oz2k36l

    I think I’d rather hang out with the dude in the Carhartt thong from yesterday than watch Fatass in his baseball pants.

    1. I think I’d rather hang out with the dude in the Carhartt thong from yesterday than watch Fatass in his baseball pants.

      Is death an option?

      1. Death?

        That is an option. Of course it would be death by Chris Christie wearing a Carhartt thong. Not sure that is really any better.

    2. OK, those are awesome. Love this one.

      1. Even though they didn’t give him spikes, I’m still impressed that they are real tie up shoes and not simple velcro straps.

        I didn’t think CC had it in him to master tying (or seeing) his own shoes.

        1. “I didn’t think CC had it in him to master tying (or seeing) his own shoes.”

          Think again, PJ, and while you’re at that take another look at the picture Kristen selected.

          Doubtless you see a man holding a simple softball.

          Nay, nay, PJ, that’s Governor Christie’s Magic Sphere of Terrist Seeing. Even when he’s fundraising he’s keeping us safe from zee terrists.

    3. This is way, way better than Dukakis-in-a-helmet

    4. Those pants are really straining to contain his flesh apron.

      1. Poor dude probably had an innie all day. Self-dutch-oven is painful.

    5. I though he had gastric bypass surgery a few years back. And he’s still that big of a lardass?

      1. Yep, over 2 years ago.

        1. Lap band, actually. Not quite super effective.

    6. He looks just like Babe Ruth…with Down Syndrome.

  6. Asked why they approved the ordinance with so many issues in flux, council members said they wanted to give businesses and workers time to plan for the new wage mandates.

    Shorter councilmembers: We don’t know what we’re doing, so prepare for the worst.

    1. Why only the shorter ones?

      1. The taller ones have sufficient vantage to forsee the consequences.

  7. They’re actually considering trying to prohibit restaurants, which often have tiny profit margins, from passing their new costs along to customers, which is just flat-out bonkers.

    They know those evil business-owners are just hoarding the wealth they obtained by stealing the labor of their workers!

    1. Hooray for price controls! Those always work out really well!

    2. Dude, everyone knows rich people stash the surplus wealth they steal from their employees in a giant Scrooge McDuck-like vault of gold coins and money.

      Weird how progressives bristle at being called commies when their primitive economic views are basically warmed-over Marxism.

      1. I’ve never personally gone swimming in a vat of gold coins, but I think there would be more neck/spine injuries than depicted in that show.

        Also, hoarding bullion in a money-bin makes Scrooge an idiot, not a capitalist. It’s funny how the progressive picture of a capitalist is the exact opposite of a capitalist.

        1. Scrooge McDuck had a special technique that allowed him to dive in and swim around. When the Beagle Boys tried it they smashed their faces flat on top of the hoard. Still funny today.

          1. Ah yes. I remember that now. You sure it wasn’t just because he was a duck, though?

            1. Webbed feet make all the difference.

        2. No, the gold coin vault is just his contingency savings in case there is hyperinflation. Most of his wealth is out in the market.

          1. Did they actually say that? If so… bravo, I guess.

          2. I think you may be right about that, but still, the popular conception of Scrooge is him swimming in his vault. So the rest of his money out in the market doesn’t really count.

      2. They only bristle at being called commies because the brand name is in the shitter. They fucking worship communism but would prefer it be called something else with better PR.

        1. “Democratic socialism”?

          1. “Liberal”?

            1. The liberal brand is in the shitter, too, thanks to a century of progs linking it to every conceivable illiberal idea out there.

          2. “Progressive”.

            1. Lean Forward and kiss your ass(ets) goodbye…

          3. Most of ’em don’t like “National Socialist”, but since their grasp of history is so stunted, they’re not sure why.

            1. You know who else was a National Socialist?

                1. Sneaky Swiss, werry sneaky.

                  He has a friend you know… a retired window cleaner and pacifist – without doing war crimes.

            2. It is more succinct in the original language.

      3. everyone knows rich people stash the surplus wealth they steal from their employees in a giant Scrooge McDuck-like vault of gold coins and money.

        Well, restaurant owners might as well be. Damn the consequences, this is clearly just karmic retribution..

        according to a grand jury report released on Wednesday by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, they confront another emerging threat: unsavory competitors who use “sales suppression software” to underreport and underpay state and municipal taxes.

        The software can be embedded into electronic cash registers and “point of sale” systems in a variety of ways, empowering unscrupulous merchants to automatically falsify their books and records. This makes it appear that their businesses engaged in fewer and smaller transactions?and thus had less revenue and profit?than they actually did.

        1. They do it without the extra software anyway, but man that sounds handy. I remember having to go through the point of sale system and “coupon” out a bunch of money each night after close so we could pay our cash payroll guys and a couple small cash vendors. From my experience, the skim is not so much used to avoid the taxes so much as avoiding the extra regulations and hassles – reduce that burden and you reduce the need to skim. It hurts your business valuation and access to financing when you under report sales, so many wouldn’t need to do it.

          1. You mean people respond rationally to incentives? Someone should tell the LA city council.

      4. Progressives are Marxists – the just believe in a progressive movement toward world socialism as opposed to communists that favor revolution.
        The goal is the same the tactics are the only difference.
        Same as Muslims and radical Islamists – goal is the same only difference is the tactics

    3. The only way to make that work would be to shrink portions. We didn’t raise the price of a McDouble, but now it is half the size.

      Of course that will lead to people buying 2 McDoubles.

      Which leads to busy bodies to start worrying about how people are ordering TWICE the amount of unhealthy fast food than before.

      Finally the city council passes a “obesity” tax to try to stem this out of control fast food epidemic.

      See they knew what they are doing….

      1. It’ll start with eliminating condiments (if they can’t charge extra for them) as well as extras on the burgers (pickles, etc). They’ll cut portion sizes, eliminate less profitable menu items, cut operating hours, etc. When they still get in the red, it’ll be time to shut the operation down.

    4. They aren’t trying to prohibit restaurants from passing their new costs along to customers, they’re simply prohibitting retaurants from saying where those new costs are coming from. Restaurants can raise their prices, they can’t ssay why/i they are raising their prices.
      .
      I remember all the flap over the telcos breaking down their bills by line-iteming all the fees and taxes added to your phone bill. For my part, I would like to see Walmart do a breakdown receipt – I don’t think most people are aware that the government makes more money off of Walmart’s sales than Walmart makes.

      1. Goddamn kids stole the batteries out of my edit button again.

    5. Sounds more like they wanted to prohibit businesses from adding visible surcharges to their bills. The council is aware prices will have to go up, but they sure as hell don’t want anyone to be able to make it clear that it’s council’s fault.

      1. And that’s not a blatant 1A violation?

        1. It only applies to unpersons, so it doesn’t count.

  8. Regulatory Uncertainty killing business investment?!?

    Like the ROUS’s, it doesn’t exist!

    1. It’s all so clear now. The city council is just trying, through a series of useless requests, to elicit an “As you wish” from businessowners, for whom they’ve been quietly pining all this time.

      A more tender, unexpected love story never existed. I might cry.

      1. I’m crying. The economy is only mostly dead.

        1. Which is slightly alive. Admit it! Slightly alive!

          1. What we need is a Miracle Max.

            1. It would take a miracle.

              1. Perhaps the government should try some iocane powder.

                1. Well, as long as the government is shoving things down our throats, a nice little chocolate coating would be nice.

                  1. If it has a brown coating, newsflash: it won’t be chocolate.

            2. The Princess Bride 2: Fear and Loathing in L.A.

              “Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never try to run a business in Los Angeles” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go in against a union when money is on the line”! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha…”

              1. I get the feeling that the people of LA are having this battle of wits, to the death, against themselves. Pour the wine!

                1. Don’t go up against an Angelino Council Member when death is on the line!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaa.

                2. My name is Inigo Montoya. You employed my father. Prepare to go out of business.

                1. Wages. Wages is wot bwings us togeder today. Wages, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam. . . .

                  1. Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my bizness. Prepare to die.

                    1. HELLO! MY NAME IS INIGO MONTOYA! YOU KILLED MY BIZNESS! PREPARE TO DIE!

              2. The Princess Bride 2: Fear and Loathing in L.A.

                “Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never try to run a business in Los Angeles” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go in against a union when money is on the line”! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha…”

                That actually makes a lot of sense, and would go a long way to explaining the economic realities to the general population… therefore it’ll never happen.

      2. He distinctly said “To blave” and as we all know, to blave means to bluff!

        1. Angelinos, they can fuss…
          Think they would like to slam, at us…..
          Probably they mean no Harmmmm…
          Their really really short on Charm!

          You have a great gift for ryhme!
          Yes, yes. Some of the time.

          Enough of that!

          Fezzik, are there jobs ahead?
          If there are, they’ll all be dead.

          No more slave labor now, I mean it!!!
          Anybody want a Peanut?

  9. I wonder how many people will be willing to “trade pay increases for another benefit as they see fit” when that benefit is a job.

  10. Los Angeles Pulls Trigger on Massive Minimum Wage Productivity Hike…

    Fixed that for you.

    …Doesn’t Know Who Will Actually Have to Pay It

    With that fix, it’s pretty obvious who will actually have to pay it.

  11. So, how many more examples of a locality putting a torpedo to their own economy before releasing one iota of control do we have to see?

    1. We are too close. The torpedoes are armed in the tubes!

    2. All of them!!!

    3. You know what’s distressing? Things are so fucked up that you don’t see much of the reverse–“we’re going totally free market, bitches!”

      1. Much? I’m loathe to even think of an example where any locality anywhere said, “fuck it, we throw in the towel, have at it individuals!”

        1. Why can’t we have some free market zone, using some bullshit about it being an incubator? You can put it right here, so I don’t have to move. Not just from the local perspective, but as far as state and federal regulation goes, too.

          1. No, the new way to build things is tax increment financing.

            It is all the rage in progvilles like Minneapolis. You give gobs of money to cronies entrepreneurs in one area. That money is taken by raising taxes on other existing property owners.

            Doling out other peoples’ money is so much more fun than getting rid of taxes and regulations.

            1. Yup, the progs here in Missoula have used it to susidize outfits like Starbucks and Kohls. Local prog small business owners squeal.

              Salty prog tears caused by proggy mayor and city council are always extra amusing.

      2. I mean, besides Vietnam.

      3. You don’t see it, but it’s happening. Black market, baby.

        Forget the dollar menu. If this trend doesn’t reverse, it’s gone. Poof! Anyone wanting a cheap lunch will have to know a little old lady who sells illegal tamales out of a styrofoam cooler.

        1. Styrofoam? The horror!

          1. Don’t be too concerned. It’s BPA-free.

        2. This is a rat burger?

        3. Now I’m being triggered by the memory of the best fucking burrito on the face of the earth. The cart had to shut down as it ran afoul of DC food vendor regulations (undoubtedly prodded by the dirty water hot dog cartel).

          The couple that ran the cart moved to WV and started a brick-and-mortar store.

          Then they sold it and got divorced.

          1. The cart had to shut down as it ran afoul of DC food vendor regulations (undoubtedly prodded by the dirty water hot dog cartel).

            The couple that ran the cart moved to WV and started a brick-and-mortar store.

            Then they sold it and got divorced.

            Jesus, KK – what kind of happy ending is that?! Imma no buy your fairy tale books!

    4. The only reason the economy is in the shitter is because government hasn’t done enough! We need more control because the government, we the people, must protect the public from evil businesses that steal from workers and customers alike in their immoral quest for profits! Raising the minimum wage protects workers from profit-seeking business, and price controls protect customers! More control! More! More! MORE!

      1. If you posted this on Huffington Post you would get so many likes.

    5. When voters who don’t understand why economies tank elect economic populists to correct the damage the economic populists just did, it’s unlikely that you’re going to see anyone releasing economic control. Look at Detroit–do you see any sign of that economy electing some free-market or even marginally better GOP cronies to correct the damage of generations of awful governance?

      I’m beginning to think that the best use of a superhuman AI would be to take control away from economically illiterate bureaucrats. If we’re going to have arbitrary, opaque decisions being made by authoritarian central planners, it might as well be authoritarians who are massively smarter than us.

  12. All right! But hear me and hear me well! The day will come, oh yes, mark my words, Los Angeles! Your day of reckoning is coming, when an evil wind will blow through your little playworld and wipe that smug smile off your face! And I’ll be there in all my glory, watching, watching as it all comes crumbling down!

    1. And I’ll be there in all my glory, watching, watching as it all comes crumbling down!

      Nah, endless federal bailouts…

    2. Neumann!

    3. There’s a Tool song that is all about L.A. getting it’s deserved demise.

      1. Anytime is a good time to learn to swim.

  13. So if your labor is not worth someone paying you $30,000 a year, don’t bother applying for a job in LA.

    So stay at home, drink beer and play XBox all day.

    1. Thus was the genesis of the 30,000$ per year guaranteed income in LA.

  14. ‘Respect fast food workers rights.”
    .
    You have the right to remain silent. STFU and get back to work.

  15. I realize it’s a silly question, but by what legitimate legal authority can a municipality set wages for private business owners?

    1. It’s due to the Shut Up and Do What I Tell You Act of 2009. The current administration’s legacy achievement.

      1. I’m pretty sure that act became nationwide law back in the ’30s.

      2. Around these parts it’s called the FYTW Act.

      3. It’s the New Deal.
        Much improved over the Old Deal.

        1. The Golden Rule… He who has the gold, makes the rules.

          And the government has all the gold.

    2. I thought municipalities had broad powers to regulate businesses within their jurisdiction. I’m not saying this is a good thing, but it seems pretty legal to me, unless you believe the Bill of Rights protects all forms of voluntary association…

      1. One problem with our system that’s existed from the beginning is that the states have “police power,” which means a much, much broader legal right to meddle in everything than the federal government is supposed to have.

    3. Yes, municipalities can set wages as long as they’re not contrary to state or federal regulations. So while they couldn’t set a minimum wage below the federal minimum wage, they can set one higher than the federal minimum wage.

  16. Every time this comes up, the busybodies rant about how no one can raise a family of four on anything less than $15/hr.

    So if we use govt to force employers to pay $15/hr to a kid right out of high school, can’t we also then force the kid to take in 3 people to be his “family”? I’m sure there will be lots of extra people who need a house/job after the new law goes into effect.

    My common sense proposal would make sure that they wouldn’t be left out. They’d still have somewhere nice to go and someone to provide for them.

    1. The government force just guarantees that kids right out of high school will be jobless. The people making 15$/hr will be the ones with more experience… their parents. Maybe when the parents die the kids can have their jobs?

      1. Well as long as the person being paid minimum wage has at least 3 dependents, I’m fine.

        No dependents, report to your local govt center to pick up some new dependents to get you up to speed.

        1. Aaaaand now we’re back to the guaranteed income.

  17. At least now I understand the ter

    1. Damn Android keyboard….

      At least now I understand the term ‘Useful Idiots’

  18. The Los Angeles County Federation of Labor sought to add that provision to the ordinance in the final days of the debate, saying that it would help avert legal challenges and allow union workers to trade pay increases for other benefits as they saw fit.

    So only union workers should have that freedom. Everyone else can get bent. Got it.

      1. Because FY, TW.

        1. I don’t accept that.

          1. Because the Progoverlords know what is best for the individual- collectivism. You have no bargaining power as an individual against the evil capitalist. – progderpstain

    1. Good idea. I’d love to see the SEIU workers leaving the union for better pay.

  19. and allow union workers to trade pay increases for other benefits as they saw fit

    So why the fuck shouldn’t nonunion workers be able to do exactly the same thing? Any sensible person weighs the entire pay/benefit package when evaluating a job.

    1. The typical prog assumption is that they themselves are sensible people, and so are their political masters. Nobody else is, though.

  20. “Asked why they approved the ordinance with so many issues in flux, council members said they wanted to give businesses and workers time to plan for the new wage mandates.”.

    “Time to plan…

    …while not knowing what or how the plans are going to be implemented.”

    This is also known as “Not Hiring People” because the rules are still being written.

    The market always hates ‘uncertainty’ far more than ‘known, painful regulations’. People in government never fucking understand this. They will write abominations like Dodd-Frank, then spend 10 years debating “what parts and how much of it to enforce”. In the meantime, *billions upon billions* in investment is frozen because it can’t appropriately measure risk.

    1. Sounds like we need a new law to free up that investment. Whether they like it or not.

    2. You’re being silly. Why, if companies were frozen by uncertainty you would see big companies like Apple and Microsoft with billions of dollars parked in off-shore accounts due to uncertainty over the tax implications of bringing those dollars home to invest – and Warren Buffett told me companies don’t do that sort of thing.

      1. Good, lion-towing, progressive companies whose products leftists enjoy don’t, anyway.

  21. OT: can any of you Canucks direct me to the best Poutine in downtown Toronto. (here for a conference, bout to roll out for lunch)

  22. LA area fast food restaurants replacing cashiers with ATM like machines in 3… 2… 1…

    1. Already happening. McDonald’s is testing automated ordering in three locations, as is Chili’s.

      1. They should just talk to Wawa. Wawa mastered that tech a decade ago.

        1. YOUR ORDER HAS BEEN PROCESSED WITH 99.9999% ACCURACY. IF YOU WOULD PREFER A MORE HUMAN TOUCH, THE ORDER CAN BE REPROCESSED AT 34% ACCURACY.

          HAVE A NICE DAY.

        2. I tell FOH this. The tech’s out there, I say. You haven’t been replaced because the initial phase-in is currently more of a pain in the ass than waitresses, but that could change, I say.

          In one ear, out the other.

          1. So the artificial wage increases will accelerate the automation of fast food, and the high wages will drive other unskilled and semi-skilled work underground, mostly to illegal labor. Just wondering what effect that would have on the economic and political environment.

            1. will drive other unskilled and semi-skilled work underground, mostly to illegal labor. Just wondering what effect that would have on the economic and political environment.

              The election of more democrats so they can help this perpetual underclass.

              1. I guess. It’s like some really long, wordy book, with ridiculously long speeches.

                1. Does this book have trains in it?

                  1. Yeah, I think it does. Thomas the Tank Engine: Who is Sir Topham Hatt?

                    1. L.A. Shrugged?

                    2. L.A. ain’t doing the shrugging.

      2. I’ve mentioned here before using an automated ordering system 20 years ago at the Taco Bell in Marietta, Georgia. The system was made by a local company so this was a test location – I ate lunch every day at this Taco Bell simply because the lunch-hour rush made it impossible to get in and out of any other place in under 30 minutes and this place was a 5 minute wait at most. A serpentine line with touch-screen kiosks along the line, you placed your own order and it spit out a ticket, by the time you reached the front of the line and handed your ticket to the single cashier at the counter, the 20 guys in the back already had your order ready. At that time, the kiosks didn’t have a payment option, you still had to pay at the counter, but with the ubiquity of debit cards the process could only be faster now.

        1. As it will be shortly in LA.
          Because of a schedule which is beyond my control, I end up eating fast food in LA once a year. Except for last year, when the line at the Dennys was such I ended up grabbing something in Santa Clarita.
          But this time next year, I’ll be the lines are the kiosk will be minimal, and they might get the order right (NO CHEESE! Did you hear me? NO CHEESE!)

        2. Already most grocery stores and pharmacies have automated checkout, so they have to hire maybe one checker for the whole store. I see no reason why fast food isn’t going to go that route, with just enough human support to prevent theft but otherwise customers doing everything themselves (and if they automate the food delivery bins, even less need for that).

          In a way, these minimum wages are a good way to force businesses to invest in productivity. But what’s going to happen to the increased glut of unskilled, unemployed people will not be pretty.

  23. If this increase was the boon that its proponents claim, there would be no phase-in period required.

    1. See, the phase-in was a compromise to those evil business owners. It had nothing to do with phasing-in the pain so people wouldn’t notice it as readily.

      1. Just so us frogs wouldn’t notice the temperature rising.

    2. Of course not. And it’s only happening, it seems, in places with higher market wages for unskilled labor, anyway.

  24. Why can’t non union workers negotiate for lower salaries like union members or illegal aliens?

    I would work somewhere full time at 13 bucks an hour. I swear, no one in LA (minus some manufacturing or construction related job) will hire you full time at 15 bucks a hour.

    1. Freedom of association? I don’t think it exists.

    2. Freedom of association? What are you, some kind of racist Teathuglican?

    3. Im reminded of when I worked for a different deli than the I currently work in. I worked part time and I wanted more than the 35 hours a week they would let me have. They couldn’t give me more than 35 hours because then theyd have to give me benefits of a full timer. Im so glad the state of Massachusetts was there to protect me from myself. Working more than 35 hours a week without benefits? Crazy talk.

  25. Time to dust off kinnath’s secession plan. The time is ripe for the states comprising the Louisiana Purchase to abandon the crazy progressives that are ruining the East Coast and West Coast. Texas can come along if it wants.

  26. How is that legal?

    Something something more equal.
    And a partridge in a pear tree.

    1. “And a law in an FYTW tree!”

  27. “Another unresolved matter is whether to restrict restaurants’ use of surcharges to offset added labor costs.”

    Hire some experts from Venezuela for how to deal with these wreckers.

    1. … and kulaks, saboteurs & lackeys of capitalist dogs.

    2. Hire some experts from Venezuela for how to deal with these wreckers.

      Take away their TP?

  28. I’m okay with this as long as the people that wanted this get to suffer all of its consequences, positive and negative. I don’t want to see endless waivers and exemptions and riders.

  29. Anyone favoring this hike should be asked “why not $20 an hour?” Or “why not $30?” And if they’re intelligent enough to answer “at a certain level it will cost jobs because many jobs are not worth that much but are still worth say $23 an hour to the employee” then ask how they got the magic number $15. Because the only way such a hike can work is if the jobs currently paying below that hourly wage are worth more than $15 to the employer and it’s only a glut in the labor force that is keeping wages from rising. But even a lot of leftists agree that $15 is too high and will cost more in jobs lost than it will gain for the employees getting the raises.

    Fortunately this is limited to a few cities, so we have a chance to see how this will turn out.

    1. Michael Brown of KHOW in Denver is running the proposition of $52.20 for his city. A Mile High Wage for the Mile High City. http://completecolorado.com/pa…..imum-wage/ . Please support it.

    2. “Fortunately this is limited to a few cities, so we have a chance to see how this will turn out.”

      I’m not sure we will…..experimenting on a few urban islands in the midst of a vast country doesn’t tell us how this policy would work if it were applied country-wide. Maybe when we squeeze the balloon of a particular city, that city will still look ok, and the surrounding areas absorb the low-wage workers. Fewer McDonald’s and Chik-fil-a-s and Wal-Marts in the city, but that’s a good thing in progressive eyes, right? Damn right-wing capitalists. Out of town on a rail. Only goodness and light and $15/hour left.

  30. “Asked why they approved the ordinance with so many issues in flux, council members said they wanted to give businesses and workers time to plan for the new wage mandates.”

    There’s probably a small fortune to be made in buying used office furniture in Los Angeles, right now, and reselling it elsewhere.

  31. What is even worse, in regards to unions asking to be exempt from the law to negotiate lower wages, is that these union employees will be earning less than their non-union counterparts, but also required to pay union dues. But i guess if you’re making minimum wage, you probably ain’t smart enough to figure out that the union is screwing you twice, without a reach around either time.

  32. 70% of the people work for private employees, they pay extra so that 30% of the people, public employees, get the same raise and give back half in taxation, while 1% of the population/hamburger flippers get a raise in a job that will reduce employees.
    Winner= Government. Public Dem voters.
    Losers= 70% of the population.. and of course, the very people the Union people are saying this raise is needed for.

  33. The progressive communists have an endless list of demands which are paid for by other folks.

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