Hot Girls Wanted Tries and Fails to Turn Its Porn-Star Subjects Into Victims
Far from being the anti-porn props filmmakers want them to be, the stars of Hot Girls Wanted exhibit a complex, nuanced relationship with their work.


At the beginning of much-hyped new documentary Hot Girls Wanted, Tressa has just graduated high school a few months prior. Anxious to get away from her provincial hometown but not sure college is worth the time or money, she answers an ad on Craiglist and enters the world of "pro-am" porn (low-budget, professionally produced clips featuring new or purportedly non-pro performers). Soon she's living in a house in Miami, Florida, with a handful of other novice porn performers and their 23-year-old manager, Riley. And she kind of digs it. Despite some downsides, it affords her money, travel opportunities, and a means to "freedom," Tressa says.
But by the end of the film Tressa, now 19, has quit porn at the urging of her mother and her boyfriend, Kendall. The film treats this as an unambiguously good outcome. Yet the scenes where mom and Kendall talk Tressa into quitting made me more uncomfortable than the icky age-play shoot between another teen performer and a middle-aged man playing a family friend. Tressa repeatedly expresses reasons why she wants to continue in porn, and a relatively healthy attitude toward the stigma attached. But her mom and boyfriend are both uncomfortable with and ashamed by Tressa's porn work. In convincing her to quit, they stress how Tressa's work makes them feel and what she is doing to them by continuing. Tressa reluctantly agrees to quit.
On the phone with Riley after breaking the news, Tressa tells him, "I miss…doing my own thing and having my freedom." Some time later, however, Tressa—boyfriend by her side—tells us that she now recognizes her dabbling in porn as pure "selfishness." It was, for me, the saddest moment in the film.
Though it premiered at Sundance in January, Hot Girls Wanted has been receiving renewed attention this week following its May 29 release on Netflix. Producer Rashida Jones (best known for roles on The Office and Parks & Rec) and directors Jill Bauer and Ronna Gradus (whose previous work together focused on how the Internet influences young women's sexuality) have also been on a publicity tour for the documentary, which follows several young women through their early forays into pro-am porn.
Hot Girls Wanted has been widely heralded as "eye opening," "thought provoking," and "the film that will make you think about the actual human beings you're jerking off to." But it's also been panned—particularly by sex workers—as a piece of simplistic, hyperbolic, and fraudulent propaganda, guilty of portraying its subjects as victimized naifs devoid of agency.
Shot in a reality TV style and depicting a world with which few are familiar, Hot Girls Wanted had the potential to provide interesting insight into the economics of online porn, the diverse reasons why people get involved, how porn performers navigate romantic relationships or disapproving family members, the solidarity that develops between sex workers, and the bizarre and mysterious multitudes of human sexuality—all themes that do unfold in Hot Girls Wanted. The filmmakers' moralizing, anti-porn perspective prevents them from fleshing any of these ideas out intentionally. Yet the women depicted actually manage to overcome filmmakers' bias with their candid, guileless assessments of the porn industry and their role within.

To summarize the film's action sans the puritanical, pitying tone the film takes: Hot Girls Wanted is centered on five young adults, ranging in age from 18 to 25, who live in a group house with their manager Riley. Each chose to seek employment in the adult film industry and found Riley's endeavor, Hussie Models, through Craigslist. Each willingly moved into the group house, where they pay rent and a 10 percent cut of any work Riley helps them book. None appears to have been coerced into it, nor to have any sort of drug problem or crushing financial debt. The motivations they profess are more run-of-the-mill: a desire to get away from a small-town with few opportunities, a sense that doing porn may be sexy or exciting, a sence that it beats working a regular job at least.
"Do I want to be in my parents' shoes when I'm their age?" Rachel, an 18-year-old from Illinois, says in explaining what drew her to porn work. "No. I don't want to go to college, meet someone when I'm in college, marry them, stay in my home town, have a bunch of kids and then die there."
Depending on how long they've been at it, these women's attitudes toward their work range from excitement to nonchalance at the film's beginning. Some of the experiences they wind up having are good, some not so good. Throughout, the women repeatedly make reference to the fact that porn is work and that what they are doing on camera (or on Twitter) is a performance.
After a scene with an older man, Rachel tells the camera "I was not into that last part at all. This is so just work right now." Lacey, a 19-year-old blond with a nose ring, talks about hiding her piercings, adopting a bubbly "persona," and having fun playing this role she's dreamed up.
Jade, a 25-year-old who started her career (like Belle Knox) with a forced blowjob video, explains that she doesn't mind rough sex shoots because it's just acting out a fantasy. "I don't look at stuff like that really black-and-white, good-and-bad," Jade tells us. And while sometimes the shoots can be physically taxing, "I can be comfortable on my own time," she says.
(At one point, Jade tells us about a school sex-ed lesson where the teacher had each kid put glue on a piece of paper, stick their paper to someone else's, and then pull the papers apart. The point, Jade explains, was that like those papers, people lose pieces of themselves behind each time they have sex. The film treats this like poignant commentary on the toll of porn, rather than a screwed up thing to be teaching kids in sex ed.)
At the film's end, two of the women are still working in porn, Jade is contentedly working as a webcam girl, and Tressa and Rachel have both quit for the time being, with seemingly no major damage to their lives. What, exactly, are we supposed to find so tragic here?
Hot Girls Wanted may be predicated on three ideas: 1) these young women are being exploited, 2) it's not just individual actors to blame but the porn industry and our "porn culture" in general, and 3) we are really all victims, because of the harmful psycho-social effects of porn. Yet despite the dubious and sensational statistics presented, the dramatically somber music, and the lingering shots of forlorn faces, the film's thesis was utterly undermined by the actual action and people it depicted. Despite filmmakers' best efforts to gloss over the women's complexity and agency, these things still shone through, showcasing the complex, nuanced relationship they have with the work—which, of course, echoes the complex, nuanced relationship Americans have with pornography.
"Porn, like every other human-social entity, is both an artifact and a component of wider society," wrote Dr. Chauntelle Tibbals at Uproxx. "As such, what does the reflection of humanity we see in the cultural mirror of porn say about us? That query is generally too uncomfortable to engage, so instead we gobble up narratives like Hot Girls Wanted–ones that give porn all the power and paint us as passive victims."
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Elizabeth Nolan Brown on Hot Girls Wanted... but not in that way.
She is so coy.
Hey, you don't work for a third-rate, womyn-centric, male-owned imitation of Buzzfeed without learning a thing or two about how to write a clickbait headline.
So, tell me, why is it that the yokels hate ENB most of all?
Oh, you know the answer to that, Warty. Rhetorical questions are so coy.
Because she won't play with us anymore, right?
Try again!
Because she bought into the whole "the way Pam Geller was dressed she was asking for it" narrative?
Wait, but I don't know the answer!
Psst, Elizabeth, I think it might have to do with your swimsuit area...
swimsuit area
Not "bikini zone"?
I vaguely remember it being "no-no zone" in the don't-get-raped videos we saw in elementary school. Maybe it varies by region.
I prefer fronthole http://slog.thestranger.com/sl.....ginas-isnt
fronthole
You ain't gonna touch my front-butt
the fuck did I just watch.....
swimsuit area is a Liz Lemonism - get with the program!
ENB didn't know the answer to this one weird trick...[click here for more]
Well, I can't speak for the yokels as a group (and I know a non-collectivizing individualist free thinker like yourself would certainly never expect me to), but personally I find her writing very tedious and vapid. Like the kind of trite bullshit you might find on a site like, say, Bustle.
I also don't think much of her libertarian bona fides, considering some of the opinions she held until immediately after she got a writing gig at Reason.
SF'd link.
Has she replaced Nikki as the worst?
Unpossible!
I can say without risk of being wrong that the guys were not watching Hot Girls Wanted for the complex and nuanced relationships between the girls and their work.
"I read Playboy for the social justice."
I actually find Playboy kind of amusing. It's a liberal publication, and I have no problem at all with porn, but the attitude that Hefner reportedly has towards the women who appear in his publication (and who are in his harem) indicate a guy who's controlling to an ultra-creepy degree with a pronounced misogynistic streak.
Not that the women are slaves, because they consent to be treated like that in exchange for the benefits they get and can leave if they wish, but to me Hefner's the epitome of liberal hypocrisy on attitudes towards women...he'll talk about freedoms and choices for women (which is great), but he seems to view the actual women in his life as little more than prostitutes or possessions that he collects to impress other people, and he certainly doesn't want them having choices that he doesn't approve of.
Anything goes when it comes to ho's.
Yeah. Go back and read some of the stuff printed in Playboy during the 1060's and 1970's on "The Playboy Philosophy". It's seriously creepy, and makes me sympathize with the Feministas who went all the way to "All heterodox is rape" and "Rape Culture". I still think they need to be sedated, mind you, but I sympathize. Because this swill was a big segment of Liberal "Thought" (as word I use quite wrongly) during that period.
"There's a girl right next to you,
and she's just waiting for something to do"
-Stephen Stills
How about "There's a girl right next to you,
and she's just waiting to slap your smug face off."
She figured it out. She's calling 911.
but he seems to view the actual women in his life as little more than prostitutes
That might have something to do with the fact that the actual women in his life are little more than prostitutes.
Why can't I watch for both titties AND "complex and nuanced relationships"?
Hot Girls Wanted. Now there's a bumper sticker that will spur area criminals into action.
But her mom and boyfriend are both uncomfortable with and ashamed by Tressa's porn work.
My takeaway: Tressa's boyfriend is a pathetic gutless loser. Your girlfriend fucks other men (women?) for money, and you cry on her shoulder and beg her to stop?
Tell her to GTFO. "Have a nice life" is optional.
"Baby, I'm sorry it didn't work out, but I'll always treasure your videos, which will be a part of my porn collection forever."
Yeah, this relationship has all the markings of future success.
What they probably didn't show in the video...the boyfriend keeps hanging around because he gets a piece of the money she's earning.
If he was really that bothered by it, he would have left. He just wants to *look* like he's bothered by it for the cameras, so it's really just a hustle.
Maybe he's hoping to score a threesome with her and one of her female coworkers. Or maybe he's one of those guys that likes to watch his GF fuck other guys.
I am so glad "cuckold" is coming back into vogue as an insult.
I remember reading an interview with a porn star (yeah, I know, going to porn sites for the articles) and they asked her the standard, "does your family know what you do?" question.
She responded, "How I would really like to answer this is, 'I'm doing something I want to do, making a lot of money, and not hurting anyone so why even ask that question?' But, since that will bother people the answer is, 'Yes, my family knows and they're fine with it.'"
Hey, at least the family isn't directly involved in producing the stuff like that other actress someone here mentioned.
Miley Cyrus?
+1 Black Adder!
Bob. Blackadder's one true love.
Woof!
I'd rather be a quack than a ducky.
So you're an IRS agent. Does your family know what you do?
But her mom and boyfriend are both uncomfortable with and ashamed by Tressa's IRS work.
He secretly loves it, otherwise he would just leave. Cuckolding is a thing.
She's best known to me for being part of the funniest 2.5 minutes of Paul Rudd's career.
"Do I want to be in my parents' shoes when I'm their age?" Rachel, an 18-year-old from Illinois, says in explaining what drew her to porn work.
They might be more comfortable than stilettos.
Reminds me of this Onion classic:
http://www.theonion.com/articl.....till-33233
They might be more comfortable than stilettos.
Yeah, I get the impression there's a little bit of 'the devil you know' going on.
The only women I've seen say that they loved every minute of their porn career were largely synthetic, very robotic, and had that 1000-yard stare.
Not that porn is brands you as dirty, but a lifetime of it certainly weighs just as, if not more, heavily on most people who do it.
What do you do, that you know such a lot of porn stars personally? Travelling preacher? Now I'm really curious.
Maybe he drives a bus of some kind.
Come on, dude. Everyone just knows that porn "weighs heavily" on chicks. Because reasons. And because it's sex, and chicks aren't supposed to have sex or like it outside of specific restrictions. Do you see now?
My clit doesn't understand a word you just typed. Try more lotion and an easy, slow motion.
Well Epi is easy, and he's slow, and he has poor motor control. You're in luck.
I KNOW HOW TO DO IT MY MOM TAUGHT ME
Did I just say that out loud?
I think you just might have done so...
I mean I guess theoretically when the dude is on top it weighs on me a bit.
Did Nicole just admit to mostly sleeping with fat guys? I think she just did.
SugarFree???
Say it with me, Nicole--no fatties, no uggos.
What do you do, that you know such a lot of porn stars personally? Travelling preacher? Now I'm really curious.
So every news outlet and video clip about porn stars, even the ones they produce themselves, is tainted?
Clearly very self-empowered and proud of what she does. I know when people ask me (will the interviews never stop?) if my parents know what I do, I get defensive about what I do, pick the easy answer that pleases the most people while also tossing the people that raised me under a bus, and do my best to almost literally tell everyone else; "I'm lying through my teeth, you get to guess when and where."
I'm not saying porn is inherently wrong but that, sometimes, there is a chance that everybody having a different opinion than you could mean they're right.
I'd get pretty pissed if anyone asked my parents what I did, and I don't do anything sex-work-related. I just don't give a fuck what my parents think, and the implication that for some reason I should is completely offensive. When someone asks this of a sex worker, there's the obvious implication that not only is what her parents think somehow relevant, but also that it will be JUICY. Fuck that.
Sorry, if anyone asked me what my parents thought of what I did.
When someone asks this of a sex worker, there's the obvious implication that not only is what her parents think somehow relevant, but also that it will be JUICY.
Maybe Raven Nation's source was actually hostile, it sounds like a porn site to me, so I doubt it. That said, the interviewer has gotta fill the website with some sort of content so baited and pregnant questions are on the menu. Presumably, the majority of their customers aren't in the business themselves so they've got to ask some sort of relatable questions as well. They're pressuring her to answer questions at the moment, I find it hard to regard that as a crime when they just got done or immediately will pressure her to take two dicks up the ass for the next half hour.
If she didn't want to be a celebrity and get asked questions she should've turned down the interview and become an accountant. I know if I got done with my first several porn shoots and people wanted to interview me, I'd be jazzed. And I can certainly imagine that, after doing it for a couple years, I'd be tired of the interviews and ready to find another job/career.
Like I said, I'm not against them having the sex they want to have. I'm against them having statistically anomalous amounts of sex (throughout much, if not all, of human history) for money and then acting like they have some claim to the moral high ground whenever anybody (and sometimes everybody) even asks a question about what they're doing and why.
immediately will pressure her to take two dicks up the ass for the next half hour.
Admittedly chosen for shock value. Not because it's dirty but, not actually having performed the act or having actually handled a porn contract, it seemed both very uncomfortable and a question they could ask/pressure they could apply.
What makes you think she's being "pressured" to do her job?
She certainly seemed pressured to answer a pretty straightforward question, and you leapt up, stating that questions that even have implications as to what other people might think of her profession, somehow, inherently offensive.
How is the "pressure" of being asked and expected to answer awkward questions any better or worse than the "pressure" of being asked and expected to perform various sex acts? I don' t know the specifics of her contract, but I'm nearly certain it covers both.
I can't fathom how someone is so rationally It's not rational to be so pro-sex/porn that even asking challenging questions, by partners and associates in accordance with a contract, is seen as some sort of excessively obnoxious burden or inherently aggressive/offensive act.
You said she was going to be pressured to fuck; that is what I was referring to. Participating in interviews may or may not be part of her job.
And, yeah, asking someone what other people think about what they are doing is inherently offensive, because it implies that anyone should care about that. It's more offensive because they asked about her family, which implies that somehow it matters what your family thinks about what you do. Why does it matter what anyone thinks but her? I would be offended if I had to answer questions all the time about what other people thought of my life, because what other people think of my life is...their business, not mine.
And, um, yeah, "challenging" questions are aggressive. By definition. Whether that is okay or not.
You said she was going to be pressured to fuck; that is what I was referring to. Participating in interviews may or may not be part of her job.
Are you suggesting that they published her words as content, without hammering out those rights?
Nikki, I really must *visit* this world where offering women money for sex without asking questions is the best approach. Do you just shove money down their pants or do you ask first? Am I even allowed to ask that question or do I have to wait for to feel the bouncer's forearm pinning my jaw to the floor to get an answer? I can't decide if it's radically pro-fem or horrendously playing into the hands of chauvinists. I mean it's broken even at the grammatical level in favor of contracting. "Fuck me now or else." is technically a valid contract as long as the contractee says "OK." and "How's your Mom doing?" is something only challenging assholes would even think to ask. I can conceive how it might lead to more sex, but I'm pretty sure speech is getting chilled and I'm completely baffled as to freer and more prosperous individuals and/or society.
Does it all work on safe words or something?
When answering questions for an unwanted niter view, merely answer' issuing and gravy' to all questions.
Holy fuck. Really hating auto correct today. Retarded ass bullshit.
Why would they not have the moral high ground unless you knew about something they had done that was...immoral?
Isn't that true of any career, though? Working twenty years in accounting or unclogging toilets or welding or soldiering, moving palettes with a forklift, teaching middle schoolers, or (judging by my family) ruining your body year by year in commercial construction, it all takes its toll.
Really, the tragedy (to the extent it's tragic) is that unlike most lines of work your value diminishes over time. But it's hardly unique in that respect.
My second choice of comment was that my Baptist grandfather says the exact same thing Mad.Casual just said, only he allows that it's all women who work outside the home. None of them actually enjoy it, and twenty years of it leaves them looking aged, worn and bitter with their careers.
Moral of the story: Get a good husband and stay home, ladies.
I actually kind of agree with that. Not for every woman, but I think many women feel pressured to work and hate it.
It's probably true to an extent for guys, too. Like they say, on their death bed no one wishes they'd worked more.
*shrugs*
I love my job. If I were independently wealthy, I'd do it for free.
I love my job too. Although not always the people I work with. Ideally I'd work on another planet and only come down to earth to hang out.
I hear Cophenhagen Suborbitals is hiring.
That is cool. My husband would be jealous though.
Umm, I'm pretty sure that is every human who can't find work in something they find rewarding.
Nothing makes me want to settle down with a rich old fogey and call it a day like writing work-comp reports for 8 hours a day for 7 years.
I hear tell dudes feel that way too.
On second thought maybe women aren't the only ones who feel that way. Or did I already post that.
I'm glad my mom could stay home with me and my brood, and I'm glad I can afford for my woman can stay home with the spawn. But, I mean, it's not like I don't feel pressured to work.
The wife-unit was almost barking mad after 5 years at home with the spawn. I begged her to back to work. She was grateful for the change at first, but resents having to work now.
She feels like she should be home for them, now that they're teenagers and don't want her help or advice.
"The wife-unit was almost barking mad after 5 years at home with the spawn. I begged her to back to work. She was grateful for the change at first, but resents having to work now."
I think women are more likely to want that balance between family and work, which most traditional workforces don't give them. My mom's solution was to be self-employed part-time so she could make her own hours and be with us most of the time. She also volunteered and had her side interests.
Damn straight - I'd make a fine kept man/house husband.
27+ years of soldiering, 20+ years lawyering... Yeah, I could be a real domestic stick-in-the-mud plz.
I like my job enough that I wish I had more things to do. I hate being bored at work.
I doubt I'll have the cash to make my retirement awesome, so I suspect that I'll just keep working and lying about my age (which my great-grandfather pulled off).
There's a minimum survival cost to human life. All human life. A basic level of productivity must be achieved, otherwise on a logical basis we are not a viable species.
Lots of people hate work and yet feel pressured to do so. This is called life. I can name any number of young men of my acquaintance who would LOVE to stay home for life and not work. I know several men who managed to get some bunkus disability check, just so they could avoid working.
Not a gender issue. We're merely so fucked in the head as a species that our emotional baggage is accustomed to seeing this as a gender issue.
I know I can't fucking stand my job, but I'm not dishonest enough to pull a disability scam, and too much of a pussy to quit. That and I still need the paycheck, but if my wife and I can get our expenses down to where we can make it on her salary alone, I'll be out of here so fast there will be skid marks. Or at least that's what I tell myself.
"Really, the tragedy (to the extent it's tragic) is that unlike most lines of work your value diminishes over time."
I agree with this. Sex workers don't strike me as the most long-term thinkers
(in one sense...in another sense they're obviously very long term)
If I made as much as my wife, I'd be insisting that she stay home with the youngins. Somehow the reciprocal thought has never entered her mind.
I have a friend who's an auto mechanic (age 46 or so). He's definitely feeling his lifetime of work.
I think we call those people adults.
Get off my porn.
didn't we used to classify young adults as 13-17?
didn't we used to classify young adults as 13-17?
Yeah but most 18-25 year olds now have the maturity and intelligence that 13-17 year olds used to have.
Have you always been so wildly optimistic?
-jcr
It's very frustrating for me. The girls in that age range are dumber than ever. It's a lot more drivel to endure before sailing the deal.
Dweebston, that quote reminded me of another: "We are but eight score young blondes and brunettes, all between sixteen and nineteen and a half, cut off in this castle with no one to protect us! Oh, it is a lonely life - bathing, dressing, undressing, making exciting underwear...."
All of which was said to Sir Galahad the Chaste ...
So adults can't also be young?
Whycome you gotta talk English more gooder den us'uns?
Nope. You turn 18, you grab your lunchpail and your union badge and trudge down to the factory to punch in.
And at that point you're immediately old? Or just ageless?
No, but re: Idle Hands point above, young adult used to be an aspirational term for teenagers coming of age. Now it's used to paper over the prolonged adolescence of emotionally and intellectually stunted adults. This isn't a hill I'm prepared to die on, and I'm more or less ambivalent about adults being treated like children when they behave like children. But I hate seeing the term used that way.
I'm a writer, and I use this phrase and edit it for others all the time, because face it, we need a way to contrast the different age bands of adulthood. I completely disagree about the implication. I think people read are just inferring that with little basis.
You're probably right. I was just thinking about referring to females as girls or young women, and it's basically the same mildly condescending endearment but I use them all the time.
And as I type this the radio is playing an ad by the city with a schoolmarmish woman in lilting tones remonstrating drivers to BE SAFE. Which, because this is New Mexico, is essentially a euphemism for drunk driving. Because even old adults should be treated like children.
You come from down in the valley too? For my 19th birthday I got a union card and a wedding coat.
You got a thing for every New Jersey boy who croons into a microphone or did you make an exception?
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true? Or is it something worse? Just wrap your legs 'round these velvet rims.
Smart woman. She should go to college!
But...hey?!
*narrows gaze*
Disguising salacious and exploitative films as documentaries is an old and standard practice.
People want to watch sexually provocative women, and infusing the story with moral opprobrium makes showing it and watching it okay for a lot of people.
This has been standard practice in all sorts of exploitative films since...forever. Faces of Death was cast as a documentary. Somehow, that meant it wasn't a snuff film. The film out there of women doing crazy things with barnyard animals is probably shot as if it were a documentary in some way, too.
You can't make a reality film about women who have been in porn and don't regret it without making it past the censors, not getting in trouble with the FCC, and not drawing the condemnation of everybody from feminists to evangelicals.
But you can show pretty much anything you want in America--so long as you cast it as a documentary and make sure the promiscuous women are shown to be sad, alienated, and ultimately losers because of their promiscuity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JjyvQzSJI
What? Pull it off teh interwebs (Are we doing NSFW?), cast it as edgy comedy that's nothing like a rehash of America's Funniest Home Videos and Comedy Central will make you a star.
The question is why they're pretending like the women in this film had a horrible experience and regret--despite the fact that the facts in the film tell a different story. I'm saying that this is standard practice, especially if you want to show something on television or in sell tickets in a mainstream theater.
Jerry Springer gets away with showing strippers fighting each other on daytime television, in part, because he adds a ridiculous "final thoughts" segment at the end--adding a moral to the story. Somehow, for a lot of important critics, that makes showing all that salacious shit okay.
He gets away with baiting black people into fighting each other for the entertainment of a white audience with that moral opprobrium shit! It's like the most exploitative and racist thing on television, but he gets away with it because he infuses the whole show with moral opprobrium.
This is why Nancy Grace gets away with the salacious shit she sensationalizes, too. As long as it's in the name of moral opprobrium--no matter what it is--exploiting it is somehow okay! So you want to draw in an audience by showing a bunch of sexually promiscuous women? You can show anything you want.
Just make sure you spin the story as if you're exposing the terrible abuse these porn stars suffer--regardless of whether it's really so.
The film out there of women doing crazy things with barnyard animals is probably shot as if it were a documentary in some way, too.
Backdoor Farmyard Sluts IX is as informative as it is entertaining.
I should say slasher films started out being okay because of this kind of thing, too.
The reason the sexually provocative women get killed is because it shows women getting their comeuppance for their promiscuity.
For some reason, the moral angle made watching a woman hacked to death okay for entertainment purposes...
That's how you get shit past the censors.
I should say slasher films started out being okay because of this kind of thing, too.
The reason the sexually provocative women get killed is because it shows women getting their comeuppance for their promiscuity.
I would say the slasher films started in earnest with Marion Crane embezzling money from her employer and getting her comeuppance at the hands of [*SPOILER ALERT*] Norman Bates. Considering Norma's messages to his son Norman about all women being whores I'd think the exact opposite.
Not that murdering the slut and sacrificing the virgins didn't find it's way into the slasher genre, but to act like it was the driving motive (rather than just portraying the survivor as someone we can all identify with and appreciate) is a little biased.
This isn't even baptists and bootleggers, it's a meeting of minds for cultural martinets of both progressive and conservative stripes. Feminists insisting not only that women have no autonomy but that asserting their preference is a sign of how shackled women are, and socons insisting that consenting sex is icky and spiritually corrupting. The quote from that last passage is beautifully put, but applies equally well to every instance of the episodic social paranoia that sweeps through the left like clockwork: victimhood insist on narratives that paint the oppressor as omnipotent and omnipresent.
This is heartbreaking. Fuck her bitch mother and her boyfriend too. I wanted to watch this, but I had no idea it was pathetic anti-sex propaganda. This would make me cry.
She needs to marry a cuck. Apparently that's a pretty popular thing, at least judging by the uncomfortably frequent results in my... research.
Do you find that they're unusually preoccupied with race? Any time I run into them they're "upset" that their "girlfriends" are being railed by well-endowed black men.
I suspect they're frequently single, overly obsessed with dick, and like spinning out a fantasy to anyone who will listen.
Maybe I'm putting my own prudery on display, but I can't stand the stuff. Any hint of infidelity in a relationship immediately shuts me down. But if I had to guess, I think the racial angle makes it less like a woman treating her husband like a redundancy and more like she's been seduced by something exotic and sinister.
That's an interesting take on it. I generally assume that the fetish is mostly about putting a sexualized shield around deep-seated fears about one's own virility and place in society, but I've run across enough of these people that I think there are a few roads to a cuck fetish, so I don't doubt other things are at play.
Doesn't most cuckold porn come with BDSM themes? It seems to me that the "bull" is incidental, more a prop than a human. He's used to degrade the cuck, to show him that he's so low that he's lower than a PoC, I believe is the correct term.
I don't know, I've only seen one cuckold porn. I would assume that the porn is ratcheted up to that logical conclusion, although I think there's also an aspect of fascination with the male form, bigger dick, etc that the cuckolded husband has to have for the whole thing to work. Cuck fetishists I've talked to describe the guy and his cock in lurid detail and sort of ignore the "girlfriend" that was getting railed. Although men I'm talking to might self-select for repressed homo-attraction in a way that the larger cuck-community does not.
There's a whole Gordian knot of perversion to untie here, except instead of being rope, it's dicks, and instead of cutting them, the cuckolds want to suck them. Or something like that.
NO! They totally don't! They're upset. Why is this other dick in their life!? It's so big, and veiny and virile. Look at it glisten and throb. They hate it and the huge strapping man with ebony skin it's attached to, but they can't look away. Not yet.
Write that down, and you can give SF a run for his money, jesse!
You had no idea it was pathetic anti-sex propaganda? Oh Nicole. What else would it be? Do you really think this would, that it could, be anything else? That there was the slightest chance it was anything else?
Netflix emailed me to say it thought I would like it. So...yes?
So Netflix's track record with recommendations is that good for you? Because it sure isn't for me.
Ehhhhh yeah good point. But they don't normally recommend me something that would actually be anathema like this.
I know they had the audacity to think I would like Highlander, based on my rating of Terminator and Robocop.
All classic 80s films. Although Robocop and Terminator have aged much better than Highlander.
I've re-watched Highlander the other day, and suddenly I realized the source of my blue jeans/white sneaker combo preference.
I wanted to watch this, but I had no idea it was pathetic anti-sex propaganda. This would make me cry.
It's got to be a little bit like watching POWs read their captors' prepared remarks on video. The Imperial American Hegemony is a Disease on the World. We demand the American forces withdraw from Vietnam and all fronts in the global war on peaceful Communism. The People's Army will liberate the south from the vile occupation of the United States.
Not that I agree with the guy's actions, but saying he's not that different than Adam Lanza seems excessive.
There's this other part where he tries to convince her being in porn is no different than prostitution, and it's kind of great/sad, because she's basically like, you're right, it is, so what?
Hahahaha oh man I love/hate him.
You know who else turned his subjects into victims?
Richman? It's Richman, isn't it.
Vlad the Impaler?
John Jones? Barrack Obama? Kenny G?
Dr. Moreau?
Dr. John Money?
Who does't find this level of prudery just laughable? I know the people peddling it have had sex before. Do they somehow not realize they are full of shit?
Well, with men, that's actually kinda true. And I miss each and every one of my billion or so spermatocytes.
Good night sweet princes, you were truly too beautiful for this world.
Just like when you shake someone's hand, you leave behind dead skin that sloughs off naturally. Those pieces are easily and quickly replicated.
What we need is more transparency.
The trailer made it clear this movie was tedious and prudish. I'm surprised by just how tedious and prudish it is, though. OH NO YOUNG GIRLS HAVE SEX
Just goes to show. We can still be shocked and saddened by something that has been going on for the entirety of human existence. Won't someone think of the moral turpitude?
GOOD YOUNG GIRLS TURNED TO WHORES BY PERFIDIOUS IRISHMEN NIGGERS JEWS DRUGS INTERNETS! IT'S A CRISIS!
Fuck, of course I fuck up the strikethrough on the N-WORD.
We know all about you! Your Freudian slip tells all! As does your alt.binaries download history that consists of all Dogfart picture series.
You know what I'm talking about. Don't lie.
Oh man, Dogfart was the shit 15 years ago. Belladonna and her Letterman smile...
I miss Spiderbaby.
What the fuck....I step one foot out of HQ and try to take a vacation and look at what the rest of you have done. You have allowed them to threaten the Great and Glorious Patriarchy's sex slave trade. I swear to god that we need more competent people around here.
On a side note though, I heard there's an asteroid heading for Earth that will wipe out all life......women and children most affected.
Tressa?boyfriend by her side?tells us that she now recognizes her dabbling in porn as pure "selfishness."
Who's a what, now?
Just to be clear, I have no problem with Tessa making porn films, or anything else. My objection is that her "boyfriend" is a pathetic needy little twat. Don't force her to be something she's not; go find somebody else.
I have always sucked at sharing. I won't let anybody borrow my fucking car; I'm certainly not going to let them take my girlfriend for a test ride. If I were to discover that she secretly wanted to fuck a bunch of different people, I wouldn't make some tearful attempt to bend her to my will. My response who be, "If that's what you really want, go ahead. But don't expect me to be here when you're done."
I'm funny, that way.
You're not weird, you still have testicles. The fuckwad you brought up has been emasculated and does nothing but emote.
What else would you expect nowadays?
She wants to stay with her boyfriend, and all he asks is that she stop having sex with other people for money. Maybe he's pretty wimpy, but she had the choice to stay with him or not, and she thought it would be better to stay with him.
And apparently she has some kind of interest in a normal relationship with a man, but her actions probably rule out the high-testosterone and/or intelligent kind of man, so if it's a man she's after, she should take what she can get.
I said *if* it's a man she's after.
She doesn't *have* to pursue a relationship with a man, of course.
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"Hot Girls Wanted has been widely heralded as "eye opening," "thought provoking," and "the film that will make you think about the actual human beings you're jerking off to." But it's also been panned?particularly by sex workers?as a piece of simplistic, hyperbolic, and fraudulent propaganda, guilty of portraying its subjects as victimized naifs devoid of agency."
There may be another interpretation - call me cynical, but this movie looks very much like an exploitation flick with a veneer of Social Significance, like a movie about some innocent woman who is sent to a woman's prison.
"You will be shocked, horrified and alarmed at what these young women went through! See our details documentary to get all the shocking, horrifying and alarming details!"
detailed documentary
I'm pretty sure the girl in the photo accompanying this article who is wearing glasses and laying on pink sheets is Ava Taylor.
First of all this is not an accurate portrait of women in porn. I am sick of people trying to put out documentaries detailing why some women decide to engage in such acts. They usually try to equate it with childhood abuse or some sort of sexual trauma.
As a former entertainer in this "amature porn" world I never took my clothes off, I never met a client, I never interacted with another living thing!
I had a webcam, laptop, decent looks, and could adlib the shit out of any topic.
I made loads of cash in the fetish world. It became like any other job, dull/boring/stupid and I decided to take my cash and go do something else...
Society will label me one thing and it is not worth the effort to try and continuously defend my past actions, therefore I don't bring up my past. But, the truth...
I did it because it was easy. I did it because a few minutes of video taping myself saying some really mean shit to people was worth my time. I was never raped, molested, or abused.
First of all this is not an accurate portrait of women in porn.
Are you one of Bo's sock puppets? Tony's?
Because I wouldn't call; "never took my clothes off, I never met a client, I never interacted with another living thing!" an accurate portrayal of porn.
Bo Tony? I don't know what you are talking about.
I rarely comment on this website because of the random inside jokes between Reason commenters. It can be frustrating when people go on the attack or think my motives are not genuine.
It is 100% classified as porn. There is no real definition of what constitutes pornography. Foot fetish, forced feeding, humiliation, forced bi, financial domination....All this stuff got dicks hard and men jerking. So...while it may not be the "normal" idea of porn. This area exists, you may not be familiar with it because "its not normal".
I often wish more women knew this route existed, but I don't care enough to make it my life's work. I've had a few female friends reach out to me asking how to make extra $$ and I will fill them in; otherwise I let the past just stat in the past.
"(At one point, Jade tells us about a school sex-ed lesson where the teacher had each kid put glue on a piece of paper, stick their paper to someone else's, and then pull the papers apart. The point, Jade explains, was that like those papers, people lose pieces of themselves behind each time they have sex. The film treats this like poignant commentary on the toll of porn, rather than a screwed up thing to be teaching kids in sex ed.)"
The thing is, the teacher is right. Where the lesson is wrong is the implication that that ISN'T true of any human interaction. And sometimes very simple "innocent" transactions can stick and tear very badly indeed.
Sex can too. But it doesn't HAVE to.
Right. The knee-jerk reaction, that these people talking about trauma or drug addiction in porn actors are just uptight fundamentalist Christians, is nonsense. It's just as inaccurate to say the performers in porn are victims or to deny them agency.
I am sure there are many roads to porn and many both functional and dysfunctional people working in porn.
Exactly! I am sure if you pooled teachers, police officers, managers at WalMart, or whatever the hell else people do - you will come across a wide variety of backgrounds. I've come to realize many people are dysfunctional. I've worked in porn and now work in healthcare. I've heard/seen more crazy shit in healthcare than my days in porn (most likely because as mentioned above "my experience in porn is . People love to judge or put down other people to make themselves feel better.
Here's an idea stop psychoanalyzing groups of people you are already biased against! Not everyone in this world sees themselves as a victim but society loves to tell people they are victims.
A current book about Teddy Roosevelt enforcing purityrannical laws in 1894 NYC shows the function of mystical altruist legislation creating victimless "crimes" is to create income for political grafters and pull-peddlers, but also misery. It is the pursuit of happiness and independence itself that disturbs the superstition and guilt industry. Desperate, depressed, dependent and suicidal people are what is needed to fill up those Kingdom Halls and Klaverns, and that is what the propaganda vid seeks to produce. The very notion that somebody, somewhere, might be happy... is anathema.
More pics of hot chicks
I never realized the "nuances" of porn before. You gotta be kidding me. One of the most degrading, destructive forces in our society, and the author sees the cheapening and destruction of young lives as "nuanced." God help us.
It can be destructive and degrading. It can also be the opposite.
I find this part of the article to be particularly disturbing.
"Some time later, however, Tressa?boyfriend by her side?tells us that she now recognizes her dabbling in porn as pure "selfishness." It was, for me, the saddest moment in the film."
In the film, Tressa, no longer receiving many roles that aren't extra degrading or demanding, realizes how emotionally hurt her parents and boyfriend are decides to quit. I assume Brown objects to the fact the girl felt "selfish" about hurting others, or that her loved ones pressure her to quit. I find that ridiculous. People pressure each other all the time, the author wants to pressure all of us into believing there are no costs to reckless sexuality.
Did she even watch the movie? Tressa didn't even seem to understand she could get pregnant from the pull and pray method of birth control. Forget about STD's. She reassures her mother that even though they don't use protection they get tested every two weeks, but did she realize that she could contract many infections, including HIV from a partner long before they'd ever pop positive on a test. She even ends up having surgery for a cyst she gets from excessive sex. Is this really an 18 year old that was making an informed choices that shouldn't alarm her parents in the least?
Imagine the gall of those parents hoping there daughter would pursue college and journalism instead of porn.
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It's all cultural. Pre-contact (European Christians) Hawaiians and other Polynesians could and would have sex in the family hut with others there, too. That would include parents having sex or a teen girl bringing her latest boyfriend (not exactly like girlfriend-boyfriend today, just a boy she liked and wanted to have sex with) and they would have sex. Everyone in the hut would pretend not to see. No horror or stigma attached to sex because it is a natural human--animal--behavior. We, in America are still suffering from the Puritan-Christian effect that sex is dirty, nasty, filthy, and obscene unless it's done by a man and a women who are married (sanctioned by God), in a private place where no one can see them, preferably with the lights out and the man on top.
Of course, watching porn, especially by young males can, not necessarily will, give them a skewed opinion of what to expect from a woman. Porn, after all, is fantasy not reality. And if a young woman or a young male thinks that real, day-to-day sex with a loved one is going to be like the porn videos they watch, they will be sadly disappointed.
But... but... but... sex with my wife won't be anything like cakefarts?
Cultural commentary as only Reason can do it!
As such, what does the reflection of humanity we see in the cultural mirror of porn say about us? That query is generally too uncomfortable to engage, so instead we gobble up narratives like Hot Girls Wanted?ones that give porn all the power and paint us as passive victims."
Humanity tends to bogify the uncomfortable and I think Tibbals is correct in the assertion that shadows in the bedrooms have been granted such bizarre gravity that these shadows exist to release ogres through the orgasms.
Penetration has been over-spiritualized and over-sensationalized and as such people attracted to professions dealing in the drugs of orgasm are pushers of perversity and are deserving of debasement through all sorts of conniving ways- including documentaries that manipulate the human experience.
Sex is bastardized because of its proximity to pleasure and pleasure is something even the latest version of the human race cannot seem to wrap its fucking collective head about unless the pleasure is simple as a ham fucking sandwich- which I'm OK with. A fucking ham sandwich is great but human pleasure entails more than ham sandwiches.
Ham sandwiches are fuckable. So are olives, if you have enough of them.
Ham sandwiches are only eminently fuckable when a delicious vagina sandwich is unavailable.
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Articles like this give libertarianism a bad name, playing into stereotypes of complete, utter hedonism, total disregard for right & wrong in absence of state coercion/religious indoctrination (not necessarily negative). It's why though I agree with Reason mostly, I'd never subscribe.
There's no getting past porn's morally degradion & exploitation. Some may not care & are content to be exploited, but that doesn't make it positive. That one girl, for example, saying "I don't want to go to college, I don't want a family," etc.?what Reason reader would want to hear that from your daughter? Or would you just shrug it off & pull down your pants for her next "performance"?
Consider the ultimate social outcome of youth with that mentality becoming culturally dominant. More welfare, disease, unplanned pregnancy, laziness, entitlement, & ultimately, gov't dependency. Hardly conducive to libertarian society.
Pornography is a cancer and plague, destroying lives of those who produce & consume it. It feeds an addiction that consumes people and destroys their families worse than any illegal drug can ever hope to do. Not that that is an argument that porn should be made illegal (though I don't buy the "free speech" argument in regards to it, since there is nothing meaningful that is being said through porn). But it certainly should not be glorified, celebrated, or treated as if it is in any way an empowering, legitimate career choice for young women.
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I don't think we can even think that webcam girls are victims. They do the accounts themselves because webcam sites like Livejasmin or Fapshows.com need many verifications for making an account so fake accounts are out of question. They are informed about this but only see the easy money.