Rape

Game of Thrones Meets Marguerite de Navarre

Historical views of sexual violence make modern television look remarkably moral and restrained.

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You know what was missing from that Game of Thrones rape scene that evoked so much reaction? What was missing was a sense of the historical view of sexual violence. You might reasonably suppose that such arcane subject is not likely to interest many people, much less HBO's large audience. But if the show's producers had really wanted to dismay viewers, they might have skipped the mere violent sex and instead set up a scene with the show's characters expressing some often-remarkable ruling-class views of sex, seduction, violence, womanly virtue, and masculine honor. Twitter would have exploded.

Enter The Heptameron, a 16th-century work attributed to Marguerite de Navarre. The sister of France's Francis I, Marguerite was the queen consort of Navarre, ancestress of the Bourbons, and a patron and protector of Rabelais. She wrote mystical verse, but The Heptameron represents a very different genre. Patterned on The Decameron, it features a group of people (supposedly based on Marguerite's circle at court) telling each other stories mostly about sex (supposedly true stories), and then discussing them. But while the sex in Boccaccio's book is usually amusingly good-natured, the sex in Marguerite's work is often violent.

Rape features in many of the tales. For example, the fourth tale told on the first day involves a gentleman who seeks a liaison with a young widow. When he is rebuffed, he decides to sneak into her bedroom and rape her. She fights him off, and her lady-in-waiting comes to her aid. The gentleman, having failed in his attempt, flees.

The woman storyteller offers this tale as a lesson in virtue and discretion, but one of the men present, Hircan, is disgusted by it.

"It seems to me," said Hircan, "that the tall gentleman of whom you have told us was so lacking in spirit as to be unworthy of being remembered. With such an opportunity as that, he ought not to have suffered any one, old or young, to baffle him in his enterprise. It must be said, also, that his heart was not entirely filled with love, seeing that fear of death and shame found place within it."

"And what," replied Nomerfide (one of the women present), "could the poor gentleman have done with two women against him?"

"He ought to have killed the old one," said Hircan, "and when the young one found herself without assistance she would have been already half subdued."

"To have killed her!" said Nomerfide. "Then you would turn a lover into a murderer? Since such is your opinion, it would indeed be a fearful thing to fall into your hands."

"If I had gone so far," said Hircan, "I should have held it dishonourable not to achieve my purpose."

Note that even the woman in this exchange refers to the would-be rapist as a "lover." As for Hircan (who, by the way, is supposedly based on Marguerite's own husband), his view that rape is an appropriate—indeed, necessary—reaction to resistance features in other Heptameron tales as well. For him, as for other characters, the whole issue is male honor. (Most of the rapists in The Heptameron are actually Franciscan monks and friars, but that's another story.)

Compare all this with The Game of Thrones' attitude toward its rape. There were not multiple points of view about what was going on there: It was presented unambiguously as a violent and evil act. Some viewers objected to being placed in the role of voyeur, but the show's own attitude is entirely moral: the act is an outrage, the perpetrator a villain.

But 500 years ago, we have a very different rape drama. The attempted rape is, from a female point of view, an ill-considered stratagem, the would-be rapist a pitiable "poor gentleman" who is yet a "lover." From a male perspective, he is dishonored and humiliated because he has failed. Even murder would have been justified, and he is condemned as "lacking in spirit" for having neither raped nor killed when presented with "such an opportunity."

Some of The Heptameron's stories have been filmed, but only as bawdy costume yarns. Put the real Marguerite de Navarre on HBO and see what happens.

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    2. I do feel as though my intellect has been raped after reading these posts.

      1. I understand 1 in 5 intellects get raped at H&R every single day.

        1. What do you think this is, Brandeis?

  2. If HBO really wanted to be transgressive, they would have shown the characters enjoying the post-coital cigarette.

    1. OT: Democrats go nuts over teen serial fondler Duggar

      Why is everyone else who has done this in jail?

      They certainly should be but it would seem if he can claim redemption they could also.
      These ‘family values’ cons want the death penalty for even children but this pervert can just continue on as usual? No mercy for anyone else.

      I didn’t know Dunham was in jail.

      Also, apparently everyone else who has ever associated with Duggar is now guilty by association. I fully expect all of Dunham’s associates to turn themselves in any day now.

      1. Bluntly, this is the risk one takes when choosing a life of fame. I’m pretty appalled that with such a huge skeleton in the closet the pater-familias agreed to be on a reality show.

        One other word to the wise – based on personal experience – a police report where a parent accuses a child of a crime does not necessarily mean the child did the crime. In the episode I personal experienced, I strongly suspect the parent accused the child of a crime to divert the police from arresting the parent…

        1. Yeah, based on my experience there is almost always more going on than whatever is in the police report, especially in cases where the alleged crime is reported awhile after it supposedly happened.

        2. I don’t have much sympathy for them. The parents are attention whores who used their children for publicity. The FRC and others just hitched onto the fame wagon for fund-raising purposes.

          I can certainly believe that a horny 14 year old would do such a thing. I don’t agree that the appropriate reaction should be to put him in prison, which so many on the left seem to be calling for. He was a kid, just like Dunham. The difference is that he seems to be sorry for it, unlike Dunham who wore it like a red badge of courage, at least until she was called out on it.

          1. You had to know it was coming though, the left lives for these gotcha moments.

        3. Don’t watch the show, but if this is the way it happened, why wouldn’t you arrange for this 16yo boy to live with his grandparents or another family member? You still had quite a few girls living in your home and you bring him back into it. You may believe he will never do it again, but what about your daughters having to see him every day?
          I believe there is something more to the story. Dad just seems a might too creepy and sending a child away for touching a sisters thigh near her butt, seems like an over reaction.

    2. If HBO really wanted to be transgressive, they would put this Canadian bestseller to film:

      https://imgur.com/account/favorites/uf3YE

  3. Since all these people are now offended, can we assume everything that happened up till now, the incest, genital mutilation, murder, on and on, was just ducky

    1. Your post, it offends me.

        1. What’s the date on that? Pretty prescient.

          1. Would have been sometime in the 80s. Pretty sure it ran while I was living in the town Bloom County was modeled on, so that would make it sometime between 1982 and 1988. I can’t do any better than that.

            1. I can’t do any better than that.
              Actually, I can: November 14, 1982.

              http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1982/11/14/

    2. Had Game of Thrones come out during the height of child-burning hysteria, decapitation hysteria or infant-killing hysteria, I’m sure those scenes would have sent sensitive senators and the like into the hills. As it stands, we’re ass-deep in rape hysteria.

    1. Bloom County makes most points very well. When I was 12 or 13, I bought all the collections I could find and read them until my eyes bled.

      1. And “higgledly-piggledly” means “a real mess”.

        1. So it’s the new “Nigger In The Woodpile”?

          http://en.academic.ru/pictures…..odpile.jpg

  4. New York Venue Censors Neil LaBute’s Anti-Censorship Monologue

    The New York theater scene is known for putting on some of the most controversial plays, but not when it comes to the monologue Mohammed Gets a Boner. The Sheen Center for Thought and Culture in Greenwich Village made a recent decision to cancel Playwrights for a Cause, a benefit supporting the National Coalition Against Censorship, on the grounds that the they “will not be a forum that mocks or satirizes another faith group.”

    Iranian Cartoonist Faces Prison, Floggings for Mocking Birth Control Bill

    A 29-year-old Iranian artist and women’s rights activist is facing up to two years in prison, plus corporal punishment, for a cartoon she drew last year criticizing a bill that would outlaw some forms of birth control. Atena Farghadani’s trial finished in just one day this week, but the judge said he may take “anywhere between a week and 20 days” to render a verdict.

    Pretty girl + prison = not good.

    1. …on the grounds that the they “will not be a forum that mocks or satirizes another faith group.”

      I would respect them if they gave the real reason.

      1. Parker and Stone ought to,ask them if they’d like them to perform Book Of Mormon free of charge with all proceeds going to the venue.

        Make them put their money where their mouth is.

        1. Exactly what I was thinking. Book of Mormon is popular. Make them confront that bit of cognitive dissonance.

      2. “will not be a forum that mocks or satirizes another faith group” should read as “we don’t want to get bombed by some Muslim fanatic.”

    2. Hmmm…I was going to do a gotcha finding the Sheen Center doing an anti-Christian work, but in fairness, I found instead a presentation by a priest, and not even a defrocked on:

      http://sheencenter.org/event/hints-of-heaven/

    3. the judge said he may take “anywhere between a week and 20 days” to render a verdict

      So what is he going to do with the other 7-20 days minus five minutes?

  5. Success!

    Although, I’m sure the hotel owners on the Boulevard, with empty hotels because people can’t access them might disagree.

    The City spent a couple of million and raised our taxes to fund this retardedness which so far has only inconvenienced locals.

    1. You’d think that business owners would actually get together and put the word to the Mayor that this happy-feely shit wont fly if it keeps hurting revenues.

  6. I hope Freund isn’t suggesting that rape was OK 500 years ago just because some French royal wrote a dirty book.

    1. Seriously, one character’s opinion in an old story is evidence that rape was acceptable throughout history?

      1. It totally was. And they all practiced Prima Nocta. I saw it in Braveheart.

        1. The War Lord

          1. We have confirmation. Charlton Heston has never steered me wrong.

        2. I thought this article was going to be interesting and then it turned out to be the Sheldon Richman-esque style of historical research, which is basically wild extrapolation from “this thing I read once”.

    2. The book Montaillou: The Promised Land of Error says rape 700 years ago was most definitely not OK.

  7. OT: Bay News 9 ran a clip of Rand Paul going hard in the paint against the Patriot Act “or as I would call it, the Unpatriotic Act”

    1. Do not attempt to lure us to your side with such stories, reptilian!

      1. Fine! take your chances with The Machine. Let me know how that works out for you

        1. ::turns off heat lamp::

          That’ll fix him!

          1. Traitor! Enjoy servitude to the machines

            1. Wait,,I,thought the machines were the good guys?

              You mean Neo is? I don’t know if I want to live in that world.

  8. “Put the real Marguerite de Navarre on HBO and see what happens.”

    Coast to coast aneurisms.

    However, I’m not sure what the point of the article might be. I have scant patience with the modern Feministas and their cries of “Rape Culture”. But that doesn’t mean that they have no right to call a rape scene in a book or video shocking, or offensive. I haven’t seen the segment in question (I haven’t watched any of GAME OF THRONES), but I tend to assume that the proper response to the accusation “That scene was offensive” is “Yes. That was the point.”, but that doesn’t make the accusation wrong.

    And, certainly, the work of Marguerite de Navarre is revolting (the thoughts of French Aristocrats frequently are), and therefore SHOULD revolt people.

    So, YES: GAME OF THRONES could have been even more shocking. Not sure it should be, and in any case there is a limit to historical realism. Smell comes to mind.

    YES: Aristocratic attitudes toward women and rape were a great deal worse than modern standards. That is among the reasons we do not let that particular class of parasite run thing anymore. Pity we haven’t applied that lesson to other classes of parasite, like academics. Or politicians.

    YES: If people are torqued over GOT, they would be even more torqued over Marguerite de Navarre. Should they NOT be?

    1. God, I couldn’t imagine Game Of Thrones in “smellovision”. That would be awful.

      Except the scenes with Missandei and Daenerys.

    2. Based on the second hand accounts I was expecting a completely shocking and explicitly graphic scene, and instead got a scene that was disturbing to be sure, but was also completely in character and fitting to the story…

    3. But the outrage is selective. I find it ironic that with all the hand wringing about this rape scene, there were no such complaining about what Ramsey (the male perpetrator) did to Theon/Reek, a male character *in the room at the time of the rape* all the noise is about.

      1. Well, obviously White Male Castration has and always will be a good thing. Imagine if we just castrated all the evil white males = Whamo, no more rape culture !!! Perfect !

  9. Here’s a Spanish play of the early 17th century which takes a distinctly negative view of rape, in the sense that the villagers lynch the high-ranking rapist:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuenteovejuna#Summary

  10. And also relevant – feminists like to make William Blackstone, the 18th century oracle of the common law, into a villain because he suggested that juries might want to be careful not to be rushed to judgment and convict alleged rapists on inadequate evidence.

    Less noted by the feminists is that Blackstone boasted that, under the common law (as opposed to the civil law of continental Europe), rape was an offense against the woman, not against her relatives or guardians. Blackstone also averred that the common law (unlike the civil law) would punish a man even if the victim was a “common [s]trumpet[].”

    https://reason.com/blog/2014/12…..nt_4992147

    1. And Blackstone gave this warning to feminists and Rolling Stone journalists:

      “AND, firft, the party ravifhed may give evidence upon oath, and is in law a competent witnefs; but the credibility of her teftimony, and how far forth fhe is to be believed, muft be left to the jury upon the circumftances of fact that concur in that teftimony. For inftance: if the witnefs be of good fame; if fhe prefently difcovered [revealed] the offence, and made fearch for the offender; if the party accufed fled for it; thefe and the like are concurring circumftances, which give greater probability to her evidence. But, on the other fide, if fhe be of evil fame, and ftands unfupported by others; if the concealed the injury for any confiderable time after fhe had opportunity to complain; if the place, where the fact was alleged to be committed, was where it was poffible fhe might have been heard, and fhe made no outcry; thefe and the like circumftances carry a ftrong, but not conclufive, prefumption that her teftimony is falfe or feigned.””

      1. Pleafe ftop! You’re gonna give me a ftroke!

      2. Fry: Duh! It says [points to the words on the currency] “Colony of Maffachufetts”!

        Bender: [scoffs] More like “Taxachufetts”!

        Benjamin Franklin: [sighs] That’s just how we print S’s, you “?tupid ?hitheads”!

      3. Ahem. f =/= ?

        1. Hey, this is a transcript provided by Yale University, take it up with them.

          (translation: I was too lazy to change all the f’s to s’s).

          1. (note to self: do not attend Yale University)

  11. Waco Strong!

    The local Harley Davidson dealership was closed, motorcycle riders were asked to stay off the roads and police snipers took to rooftops to watch Waco streets after a deadly gangland shooting caused many to cast a colder eye on bikers.

    Police did not say how long the request would last.

    ———

    Harley Davidson-Waco, located about half a mile from the crime scene, was closed indefinitely at the request of police, according to its Facebook page.

    “We will be working closely with Waco PD to determine when it is safe to reopen. They have also requested that you avoid riding in the area if you have another form of transportation,” the shop posted.

    If it helps just one policeman sleep more soundly…
    Who gives a fuck about the rights or livelihoods of civilians?

    1. “At the request” my ass. I drove by there Monday and Wednesday, and the HD dealer had police cars blocking every entrance and even the I-35 access road had barricades blocking the right lane for a couple hundred yards on either side of the entrance.

      There’s no fucking way the dealer could close a public thoroughfare like that. This was the police closing down a business without any justifiable reason whatsoever.

      1. There were quotes in the paper saying the police had sought to shut down the bar – which was seen as catering specifically to this ‘undesirable element’ – for years.

    2. police snipers took to rooftops to watch Waco streets

      I feel safer already.

    3. It would be kind of hilarious if Waco became a no-go zone for bikers after this, while Baltimore continues to proudly stew in its own dysfunction.

      1. Baltimore continues to proudly stew in its own dysfunction.

        RAYCISS!!!1!11

        /Bo

      2. I wasn’t paying attention – do the bikers live in Waco?

        1. Some of them might, but based on what I’ve read the vast majority simply consider it part of their “territory.”

          1. Well then that is considerable differnce with Baltimore.

  12. JUSTICE

    A Cleveland police officer who climbed onto the hood of a car and fired repeatedly at its unarmed occupants in 2012 was acquitted of manslaughter on Saturday by an Ohio judge.

    ——-

    Officer Brelo opted for a bench trial before Judge John P. O’Donnell of the Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court. Defense attorneys said their client had feared for his life and believed gunfire was coming from Mr. Russell’s car. No gun was recovered, and prosecutors said Mr. Russell and Ms. Williams had been unarmed.

    ———–

    In closing arguments, Patrick A. D’Angelo, one of Officer Brelo’s lawyers, said his client believed he was under attack when he fired on the car.

    “What would make him want to shoot through the windshield at another human being?” Mr. D’Angelo said. “Could it be that he was shot at? Could it be that he reasonably perceived that the occupants of the Malibu were shooting at him? That’s what all the other officers perceived. That’s what Officer Brelo perceived.”

    “I feared for my life.” Good grief.

    1. The chase, which started in downtown Cleveland, began after reports of gunfire from the car; prosecutors said the noise may have been the car backfiring.
      After the gunfire reports, over 100 officers pursued the car for more than 20 miles at speeds that reached 100 miles an hour. Police officers fired 137 rounds at the car after it was cornered, prosecutors have said, including 49 by Officer Brelo.

      Heroes.

      1. Fuck, why are they always such bad shots ?

  13. Every single person currently sitting in jail in Waco will successfully claim self defense, right?
    RIGHT?

  14. You know what was missing from that Game of Thrones rape scene that evoked so much reaction?

    A Boko Haram theme, where girls are sold or bequeathed to old men who in all probable scenarios
    rape them ? Not all that historical is it? Very common throughout our history and present day.
    Too bad it is not the kind of show that delves into the psychology of the (girl bride) and her fears
    and what she perceives her obligations to be.

  15. Of course it would have been too much to ask that there be only 2 articles about something that happened on a tv show that upset some snowflakes.

  16. I actually don’t understand the outrage, and I’m way to lazy to go read the derp at the source.

    They’re upset because a TV show depicted rape? Rape (or the reluctant and violent consummation of marriage) would have been completely common in the setting (The Seven Kingdoms). If an act of rape was excluded then the representation would have been unbelievable.

    Rape is a bad thing – Yeah, no shit. That is the point. It is, no doubt, part of the character’s arch and will play a significant part in her behavior and motivation in what comes next.

    If viewers can’t stomach seeing a beloved character raped will they be able to stomach that character taking revenge on her rapist?

    1. “If viewers can’t stomach seeing a beloved character raped will they be able to stomach that character taking revenge on her rapist?”

      You are presuming that there is some rational consistency in the public moral-outrage.

      Please keep in mind these are the same people who witnessed three years of wanton murder and the castration of a main character before discovering that they could gain esteem from their peers through exaggerated statements of indignation over a barely-depicted rape-scene.

    2. There wouldn’t be any rape if HBO didn’t go and depict it. Duh.

    3. “will they be able to stomach that character taking revenge”

      This almost never works out. There are very very few successful revenges in Game of Thrones.

      Arya killing that one guy in that inn with the Hound is like the only one I can think of. A released chapter of Winds of Winter has her killing another person for revenge.

      I suspect Arya is intended to be the exception to an unwritten GoT rule that no one ever gets their just revenge.

  17. Who can forget the controversial gang-rape scene in the Wizard of Oz?

    I guess there was one thing the scarecrow, the tin man and the cowardly lion didn’t have to ask the wizard for…

    1. Wiz of Oz-meets-I Spit On Your Grave?

      “And you scarecrow… i’ll kill you most of all.”

  18. British folk music is rife with references to casual rape, with one or both ‘participants’ referred to as lovers. The impression is that it was more than commonplace in bygone days, and that men were not expected to suppress their urges when an opportunity arose. Similarly, oppression of women in the Arab countries is largely justified by the same assumption – an unprotected woman is fair game. Modern western society is a great deal more civilized than the feminists would have us believe.

    1. Do you have any pertinent British folk songs I can look at?

    2. Eh. Folk music also makes reference to myrmidons and unicorns — I hope we aren’t expected to take those portrayals in an overly serious way.

      Yes, common mores often categorized rape as an offense to the pertinent male. No, this does not mean that rape was just fine and dandy, that morality regarding rape was only recently discovered (I can pull up any number of references from classical and medieval times to establish this), or that Game of Thrones portrayal of rape as a casual byproduct of medieval society is accurate or somehow tame.

      Not that I’m ‘offended’ by it, but let’s get real. We didn’t invent sexual propriety in the 50s anymore than feminists invented it in 2005.

      1. As somebody who self identifies as a myrmidon, this is one of the most hateful, ignorant, and triggering posts I have ever seen. Please do not try to marginalize my lived experiences.

        1. (polite applause)

    3. Modern western society is a great deal more civilized than the feminists would have us believe.

      Agreed. People in this country have no idea how hard and barbaric much of the world is and has been – heck they have even forgotten the horrors of the 20th century – Nazism, Communism, Death camps, mass murder etc….

      Most of the violence and issues are historical. In most parts of history, rape, torture and violence was a daily fact of life. Much of the story mirrors what happened in the Middle Ages especially during the War of the Roses and the Hundred Years War. The author of the books and the writers of the series are largely copying real events. The current religious fanaticism and puritanism mimics the Inquisition, the liberation of Slaves mimics the slave revolts in the Roman era, the wall in the North mimics the Hadrian’s wall to keep the barbarians out of the more civilized south.

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  20. I somehow missed the rape. I saw a woman who married (reluctantly but) of her own free will, then (reluctantly but) of her own free will bent over a bed and allowed her loathsome brute of a husband to consummate their marriage.

    1. This! The violence and shit involving Reek made this sexual assault, but not rape.

    2. Hello random internet person who shows up to deny rape in pursuit of a social order you, as an inbred fucknut, will never benefit from,

      Ramsay Snow rapes everyone he fucks, without exception. And that is the least of what he does to his conquests. He is not done getting off until he flays the object of his affection and/or feeds her to dogs. It was rape, and not just by the modern American definition–by Westerosi definition.

      1. Oh Tony, you’re so incredibly fucking stupid.

      2. “Ramsay Snow rapes everyone he fucks, without exception.”

        He didn’t rape Miranda when he had sex with her in the episode that aired two weeks ago. Is that an exception, Tulpa?

  21. I’m holding out for a plastic Targaryian baby.

  22. But if Sansa (I don’t watch the show) was assassinated by a villain and died in a pool of blood, the feminists wouldn’t be as incensed. And these are the same people who often complain that graphic violence is accepted in pop culture but explicit sex is still taboo.

    Someone wrote an interesting perspective on GOT’s handling of sex and violence – NBC’s Dr. Hannibal Lecter is a psychotic killer who consumes human flesh, but the audience has no qualms about embracing him as a charismatic anti hero. But if this character drugged and raped women, there would be an immediate outrage from the viewers.

    So while GOT’s is one bloody spectacle that revels in voyeuristic death scenes (I did see the clip of the Red Wedding, which was unpleasant), it draws controversy from its handful of rape incidents. I imagine the major characters who were raped in that show is still alive.

    1. Cannibalism is not useful politically. If it were, the Internet would be throbbing with prissy moralizers all trying to one-up one another on their anti-cannibalism kick.

      Political activism is fundamentally about fashion, not reason or morality.

      1. So you deny the cannibal culture on our college campuses? Monster.

  23. As fascinating as all the political grandstanding over RAPE CULTURE has been, the interesting aspect of Sansa’s rape-y honeymoon is that it telegraphs Ramsey’s demise. The novels and show like the pretense of transgression and historical reality, but they’re both conventional storytelling with a couple of tragic, predictable twists. And when the show goes afield from the books, like with Robb’s wife, it’s usually to heighten the emotional impact of a particular scene and twist the knife.

    Based on that, Ramsey will die 1) before the end of the season and 2) at the hands of a woman.

    1. And Shireen is either going to be sacrificed in E9 or Stannis/Onion Knight will die trying to prevent it. The plot entrails do not speak so clearly on this matter.

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