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Bruce Jenner: From Wheaties Box to Woman

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The Daily Beast

Last night, Olympian and reality-television star Bruce Jenner came out a trans to ABC News' Diane Sawyer:

"I am a woman." The Olympian and erstwhile member of the Kardashian reality TV empire, definitively ended months—decades, even—of speculation, confirming to Diane Sawyer Friday night in a televised interview that he is transgender. 

"Yes, for all intents and purposes, I am a woman," he said. (Pronouns are an important, and complicated, issue in the transgender community. Jenner told Sawyer to continue using the familiar "he" and "him" pronouns.) "I identify as female," he continued. "That's hard for Bruce Jenner to say. Why? I don't want to disappoint people."

Thus continues one of the oddest and yet most representative stories of 21st-century America. A couple of months ago, as Jenner's tale hit the tabloids, I wrote about it for The Daily Beast. Some snippets:

At age 65, he is changing into a woman, retroactively explaining what was taken to be a slow-moving series of plastic-surgery disasters over the years….

Sometimes distance and time aren't best measured in the miles or minutes by which Jenner won gold. Indeed, there's no stopwatch or steel measuring tape that could possibly do justice to Jenner's metamorphosis and self-directed evolution.

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Or America's, for that matter. In 1976, only one-third of us approved of interracial marriages, for Christ's sake, and just 43 percent believed that gay and lesbian sex should be legal. Transgender was mostly the stuff of sitcoms.

Not anymore. The world is in many ways a shambles. The new century was ushered in with a slaughter of innocents that have mostly escaped art's ability to deal with them and legitimated new horrors, including some committed by the U.S. itself. The economy, we hear, is on a perpetual skid, with robots replacing even Mexicans when it comes to jobs in the good old U.S. of A. China's economy is bigger than America's and Putin can knock over Obama with his breath. The middle class is shrinking faster than privacy, and on and on. But in such a mess there remain these bizarre and wonderful loopholes where anything can happen, where people can become exactly what they want to be.

"What is an American?" asked Jean Crevecouer in 1782, near the very start of the United States experiment in self-governance. The French immigrant noted that his adoptive country was a mixing chamber of all classes and nationalities, a place where Old World prejudices came to die and be reborn as endless possibilities. "The American is a new man," he concluded, getting it only partly right—and setting the bar far too low for what we might become.

Whole thing here.

Arguably the most shocking revelation in the ABC interview was that Jenner said he is a Republican. Certainly that announcement prompted the most vitriolic outbursts on Twitter, as compiled by The Blaze. Which also is some sort of statement about 21st-century America.

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  1. Please no reason. It’s already all over every news/gossip channel. Not here too.

    1. I agree. Who cares? That being said, him saying he is a Republican is further proof God does have a sense of humor.

      1. As if the creation of man didn’t prove that beyond all possible doubt.

      2. Better than being a communist.

    2. I started watching it last night. Fell asleep after about 10 minutes.

    3. FM: I checked out the Gaylord Palms. Looks very nice. Very large enclosed area, is that because of bugs?

      1. Probably. Althought the bugs aren’t really out yet. Not that I’ve noticed.

        1. How bad do they get?

          1. Not bad in the city at all. They spray for the mosquitos. If you go kayaking or hiking they can be annoying, but not even then until sundown.

            1. I had never seen a mosquito in person until I visited Minnesota as a teenager.

              1. Wah!!! They’re our state bird.

          2. Google “palmetto bug”

            1. Harmless. Unsettling when they fly into your face, but you get use to it.

              1. When I had a trip to Florida, one of these guys was on the wall by my bed. Between this instance of seeing what looked like a nuclear cockroach first thing in the morning, and the alligator in the hotel golf course’s water trap, I reaffirmed that I hate nature.

      2. Do you mean the Gaylord Palms in the Orlando area? We just spent four nights there this week. I can tell you all about it, you have my email.

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    5. Bruce is TransJenner and a Republican.

  2. http://twitchy.com/2015/04/25/…..onvention/

    The butt hurt over him saying he is a Republican is epic. The look on Sawyer’s face when he said it was one of the great moments in television during the last century.

    Jenner is an adult. He can do whatever he wants. If he is happier living as a woman, good for him. It is none of mine or anyone else’ business. He can’t force me to like it and I can’t tell him not to do it. That is how freedom works.

    1. “Ok Republicans, you’re proud to have Bruce Jenner, huh? Invite him to speak at your convention.”

      “I have no problem with that. Now invite Kanye to yours”.

      Classic.

      1. The GOP should totally invite him. Have him give a speech on freedom and self determination. It would be fucking awesome.

        1. And then Kanye should give a speech at the DNC about how he’s bigger than Jesus.

          1. He could walk out during Hilary’s acceptance speech and take the microphone and explain how Beyonce should really have gotten the nomination.

            1. That would be AMAZING. This needs to happen. It would be too great.

            2. What about Chris Rock coming out on the state and talking about cankles? Hillary needs to prove she has a sense of humor to impress those voters who are 10 or 15 generations younger than her.

                1. Did you see that creepy picture of her at the Chipotle counter from the roughly overhead view with a strange figure behind her, also wearing big black shades? I hear the creepy figure behind her is Huma?

                  1. Did the creepy figure have Nancy Kerrigan horse teeth?

                2. The “taco munching”…. very subtle

                  the pathetic thing is that this is in fact exactly what these campaign people do.

                  1. I can’t remember where it was, but Biden’s advance Secret Service team came into a mom and pop restaurant and asked if he could drop by. The guy said fuck no.

              1. Hillary just needs to take a break and go bathe in the blood of many small children. This will honor her end of the satanoc pact and rejuvenate her appearance.

              2. He’ll earn his courage back when he publicly performs “Niggaz vs. Black People” again.

            3. I have to say, I would vote for Beyonce before I’d vote for Shrillary.

            4. That would be hilarious

          2. Obama’s reaction to that would be epic.

          3. Gay Fish

          4. Does Kanye have the balls to interrupt Hillary’s speech? I’d pay to see that on pay-per-view.

            -jcr

        2. John — The main faction of the GOP, the evangelical/religious right, would have a cow!

          And that is exactly the reason the GOP is over with.

          GOP RIP

    2. It’s right up there with Ted Cruz meeting with a gay couple who own a gay hotel. And they actually agree with Cruz on some issues.

      The butthurt and partisan screeching over at WaPo is epic.

    3. Freedom doesn’t prevent anyone from voicing their opinion (such as, in this case, that transgendering is about as stupid an act one can possibly do). THAT is how freedom works –
      no one is immune to criticism and people have a perfect right (and duty) to voice their opinion irregardless of whether others don’t like it. Not criticizing Jenner’s act is an implicit approval,
      which I consider irresponsible – the act must be exposed as a sham and a fraudulent attempt to
      solve one’s psychological problems.

      1. “fraudulent attempt to
        solve one’s psychological problems.”

        Or a brilliant cross-marketing campaign!

      2. “Not criticizing Jenner’s act is an implicit approval”

        False. Reserving judgment does not imply approval, any more than it implies disapproval.

        In many cases it implies a correct realization that it’s none of my business, certainly none of my professional psychological business, of which I (and I suspect you) have none.

        1. Yeah, there’s a lot of rush to judgement going on here without a whole lot of medical experience that I can detect. And frankly it sounds exactly like the same opinions that were thrown around about past disfavored groups – and it is kind of ugly.

      3. “-no one is immune to criticism and people have a perfect right (and duty) to voice their opinion irregardless of whether others don’t like it.”

        So, here I go with what is apparently my duty.

        The first issue I have with this is your use of ‘irregardless’; the stunning illiteracy and ignorance in one post makes it clear you have been rejecting knowledge for a considerable length of time.

        “Not criticizing Jenner’s act is an implicit approval, which I consider irresponsible – the act must be exposed as a sham and a fraudulent attempt to solve one’s psychological problems.”

        If I felt as you do, it would be my “duty” to get churches shut down to save all the poor delusional, hallucinating religious people and get them into treatment.

        As a middle age woman, (in addition to all the other things I have achieved in my life which might define me), I am trans. I would find it quite interesting to hear of your credentials and what qualifies you to judge someone elses’ experience a sham, fraudulent and a psychological problem.

        You sir, would do well to meet someone who is trans, (if you haven’t already, unknowingly) and speak to them. You will likely encounter a person who has experienced incredible physical and emotional abuse at the hands of people like you. You will also likely discover most of these people, having survived, are some of the most sane and compassionate people you could meet and you could quite possibly rediscover your lost humanity.

        Asshat.

    4. You just have to decode liberal calculus. On the gender/sexuality scale, trans is a 3/3. On the political scale, Republican is 1/4. Thus, Jenner’s adjusted allowance to have an opinion (AAO) is 3 for sexuality issues, but 1 for political. Criticism, by Liberal Speech Allowance Theory, may only be directed at those with a lower number than the speaker. Else, the hounds of Twitter shall slip their leashes and tear the infidel asunder.

      Watch for my workup, showing you all the scales. A lot of things will soon make sense.

  3. A woman? I heard Jenner came out as a Republican.

    1. And suddenly, liberals were not very supportive anymore.

      http://soopermexican.com/2015/…..epublican/

      Their reaction to that is further proof, as if any were needed, they don’t give a shit about any of the causes they claim to care about. They don’t care about transgendered people. They care about pretending to care about such people as a way to gain political power.

      1. This to the 5th power.

      2. Anyone who pays the slightest attention already knows this, John.

        1. This is quite true. I’m a gay libertarian, so, of course, everyone thinks I’m a die hard Republican. No, I dont have many friends. They could care less about any “issues,” as long as you fit into the SJW mold.

          1. A black sheriff GAY LIBERTARIAN!

            1. Hold it, men. He’s not bluffing.

              1. :If anybody moves, the nigger get’s it”

          2. Somebody do something!

      3. Liberals can only support your gayness or transgenderness if you are NOT an icky Republican. You want to be Republican, you’re not a real gay or transgender and you’re out of the club.

    2. Jenner has been a world-class athlete and a business owner – two occupations that demand hard work and personal responsibility. Sounds like a typical Democrat to me.

  4. Whatever.

  5. People have been doing this for decades.

    “At age 65, he is changing into a woman, retroactively explaining what was taken to be a slow-moving series of plastic-surgery disasters over the years…”

    Apparently Jenner has been working on this for a long time, too.

    The only thing new about this is that he’s a celebrity. Or, rather, he was a celebrity in 1976. And his step-daughter is famous for being famous.

    I don’t know that this is indicative of anything substantial except maybe that people are willing to talk about things they wouldn’t talk about before. But that’s been going on since the “sexual revolution” of the ’60s, too. There’s nothing new under the sun, but people did start talking about things in the ’60s that they wouldn’t talk about before. If people openly talking about Jenner is indicative of anything, it may be that the pendulum is about to swing in the other direction.

    Everywhere I look, I see culture warriors from stage-left overplaying their hand.

    1. You are right, Jenner is an adult and his story is not indicative of anything other than this is what Jenner wants to do. I don’t really see any culture warriors playing this to be honest. The left was trying to play it but his saying he was a Republican took the fun out of that. Everyone else seems either not to care or not want to hear about it.

      I do think that people are growing tired of everyone over sharing and expecting the world to care and affirm them. There will hopefully be a backlash over that coming soon. It is one thing to tolerate people’s choices. It is another for them to demand constant attention and affirmation for those choices. That has long started to wear thin with a lot of people.

      1. “Everywhere I look, I see culture warriors from stage-left overplaying their hand.”

        When I wrote that, I meant in a lot of different ways–not just about Jenner (although the left thinking they had another LGBT celebrity cause is probably another example of them overplaying their hand).

        By overplaying their hand, I also mean forcing fundamentalist Christians to cater gay weddings.

        By overplaying their hand, I also mean making mockery of Christianity practically a party plank. They’ll talk about the US is going to turn into the Latino States of America out of one side of their mouths–with no apparent comprehension that these people are often more culturally conservative, more religious, and even more evangelical than the average American.

        I see the culture warrior left going after the white middle-class–by name. And that is overplaying their hand.

        They hear thousands of voices agreeing with them, and they don’t realize they’re in an echo chamber. They see marijuana legalization happening, and they think it’s because America is becoming a progressive paradise. Hell, I’m against the state discriminating against LGBT in marriage licenses–and there isn’t anything progressive about me. I think the culture warriors on the left think they have way more support than they really do.

        That’s what I mean by overplaying their hand.

        1. They see marijuana legalization happening, and they think it’s because America is becoming a progressive paradise.

          In all fairness, the same can be said of the oft-mentioned “libertarian moment”. Besides, politicians saying “let’s legalize weed so we can tax the shit out of it” sounds very progressive to me.

          1. “Let’s legalize weed so we can tax the shit out of it”

            Is that really what the progressives are saying? That seems like more of a concession by Republicans and maybe some progressives.

            “Let’s legalize weed” isn’t what they’re saying in Chicago, New York, Maryland, or Massachusetts.

            In Colorado and Washington State, didn’t this come through the initiative process? I’m still not sure progressives even want to let us drink sugary sodas or vape.

            Marijuana legalization still seems to me like something that’s being forced on progressives–and they’re acquiescing to it. It’s not something they’re championing. Not like libertarians do.

            1. Well, I don’t know but I do hear tax revenue often mentioned as a reason to accept legalization. Whether that’s from pols or pundits, I don’t know. I don’t think weed should be illegal but I don’t partake myself, so I don’t keep a close eye on it.

          2. That’s pretty much what FDR said about booze back in ’33.

      2. The left saw Jenner as an ass to be ridden a couple miles on the road to social justice paradise, and the right saw Jenner as another ass the left would ride.

      3. The left was trying to play it but his saying he was a Republican took the fun out of that.

        And let’s be honest, that was probably the most surprising moment of the interview. Part of me wonders if he did that just to troll everyone for giving him so much shit the last few years.

      4. “Everyone else seems either not to care or not want to hear about it.”

        Bull.

        This story was blown up to be the SJWs triumph of the year.

        Then Bruce Jenner stuck it in their butt by outing himself.

        Bruce is an unrepetent, out of the closet Republcan.

        Go Bruce !

    2. My $.02

      I think it’s low T that finally pushes them to make the change.
      I’m not at the age where I have friends in that position yet, but my dad does. He’s had 5 colleagues make the transition from M-F, and every one of them was over age 55. Manopause is a bitch.

      1. I also wonder how many steroids he did back in the day. There was no steroid testing in track and field in the 1970s and the Eastern Europeans were using them to the Nth degree. Jenner is one of the greatest natural athletes of the 20th Century. But I find it hard to believe that even he won the decathlon without using steroids, considering how widely they were being used back then. I wonder if perhaps the steroids did something to his hormone balance.

        1. Back then, there weren’t a whole lot of choices. A lot of the designer stuff came about in the late 90s in response to increased testing accuracy.

          He looked pretty bulky in ’76. Maybe he was taking something that had a high estrogen conversion ratio.

          1. He looked pretty bulky in ’76

            Eh. Not unusually so, at least to my eye. I would guess if he was juicing, it was a lighter cycle for the “right” reasons – better recovery from workouts, not for bulk.

        2. This whole thread could use some testosterone.

          What time is the Caps game?

          1. I have a chicken on the grill. Does that count?

            1. Fire and meat? Hell yeah!

              That sounds like a good idea.

              Two hours ’til they drop the puck.

              I’m off to go find something to grill.

              1. Hurry up. Weather coming through soon.

      2. Be careful, my friend. Think what might happen to those avocado eaters who didn’t have much T to begin with. 😉

        1. I was at my local rotisserie chicken place the other day and thought of you.

          On the appetizer menu: Avocado Won Tons. Of course I got a large order.

          1. California ‘cuisine’ = the Bruce Jenner of food.

            If a Won Ton isn’t deep fried and doesn’t have any pork in the middle, then you might as well put on a skirt and call yourself Sally.

            1. It was deep fried, but the “avocado” was basically guac.

              I’ll try anything once, except for gay stuff. I’m not sure if I broke that rule here or not.

              1. Sounds delicious to me.

          2. I just put some on my salami wrap. Can I be an honorary Californian now?

            1. WTF is a wrap? Is that like a skirt for food?

              1. I thought it was a Californian sandwich with a low calorie, natural, organic tortilla replacing that fattening, GMO, gluten filled bread they serve sandwiches on in the flyover states?

                1. And somehow you got one in Montana.

                  I’m not watching my figure, so I know very little about such things. I can put you in touch with my mom, though. She’s very into that shit.

                  1. Had to order the ingredients special.

                    1. Both the avocado and the tortilla were made in CA. Hadda bribe a customs agent to get it in the state.

                    2. I have a secret source for avocados. They didn’t come through for me this year.
                      Last year, it was 7 for a buck.

                2. Assume corn tortilla or same fattening, GMO, ….

                3. I thought it was a Californian sandwich with a low calorie, natural, organic tortilla replacing that fattening, GMO, gluten filled bread they serve sandwiches on in the flyover states?

                  Take a guess what is in a California Burrito.

                  Hint: nothing organic, healthy, or low calorie.

                4. I thought it was a Californian sandwich with a fattening, natural, organic, gluten-filled tortilla replacing that fattening, GMO, gluten filled bread they serve sandwiches on in the flyover states?

                  FTFY

              2. +1 Professional Figure Skater

  6. Mind control, pt II

    Craig Holman of Public Citizen, a reform group, said the FEC deadlock on banning foreign money in U.S. elections raises concerns that foreign influence in American candidate and ballot measure campaigns could rise.

    “The ‘dark money’ phenomenon that has flooded elections since the 2010 Citizens United decision has made it easy for foreign interests to secretly launder money into candidate elections,” he said.

    “The unwillingness of the FEC to enforce the law in ballot measure campaigns, even when the influence of foreign money is in the open, makes our elections open season for foreign intervention.”
    .
    Money is the root of all evil, not fanatical proponents of Do-Somethingist busybodies clamoring for the extension of the government’s reach into every single aspect of our personal and business lives.

    1. “Craig Holman of Public Citizen, a reform group, said the FEC deadlock on banning foreign money in U.S. elections raises concerns that foreign influence in American candidate and ballot measure campaigns could rise.”

      I’m sure there’ll be link to how he was all over the Chinese money that Clinton was getting, right? Right?! C’mon, man!

    2. The ‘dark money’ phenomenon that has flooded elections since the 2010 Citizens United decision

      I think dark money goes further back than that.

      The untraceable (or at least, unverified) funds raised by Obama after he switched off the security on his fundraising site comes to mind.

    3. “Money is the root of all evil, not fanatical proponents of Do-Somethingist busybodies clamoring for the extension of the government’s reach into every single aspect of our personal and business lives.”

      No. No it isn’t.

      Money is not the root of all evil.

      The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. That is the actual quote. From the Bible.

      Money can be used for good as well as evil.

      1. The love of money is not the root of evil. So long as money is recognized as an medium of exchange for value, love of money is a virtue. As soon as you stop viewing the money you have as the result of you or your benefactor producing value, then money becomes neutral, as soon as you view it as a means to extract value you didn’t earn from others, then it’s evil.

  7. I think it’s low T that finally pushes them to make the change.

    Jenner has plenty of money, and probably could easily gain access to any “anti-aging” therapy he could want, if that’s all it is.
    I see those ads for cenagenics(?) on the teevee now and then; I suspect it’s a human growth hormone treatment of some sort. Look what HGH has done for Stallone. If a guy’s problem is “just” low testosterone, there are ways to deal with it.
    Squats, for example.

    1. He’s old enough that any doctor would give it to him. I think age 38 is the cutoff where the DEA doesn’t scrutinize testosterone prescriptions anymore.

      But obviously, you can’t do TRT and transition to a woman at the same time.

      1. My fear is that after years of taking testosterone replacement, looking 32 at 74, I’d end up in the south pacific for a month without steroids and when I got off the plane at LAX, I’d look like Walter Brennan . . . “Lissen here Little Luke!”

  8. My best friend’s mother-in-law makes $85 /hour on the internet . She has been out of work for 5 months but last month her pay was $16453 just working on the internet for a few hours.
    Visit this website ?????????? http://www.jobsfish.com

    1. Is she a former male superathlete who won an Olympic gold medal in the decathlon in 1976 at the Montreal Summer Olympic Games?

      No? Then Fuck Off!

  9. “Not Bruce. The name this one was born with was cursed. I Grey Worm. Always Unsullied.”

    1. Ramsay Snow Bolton could provide the final surgery.

  10. “God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    The courage to change the things I can,
    And the wisdom to know the difference.”

    This a sentiment that is apparently too limiting, as acknowledging that there are things that cannot be changed is not to be contemplated.

    1. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and a BMW.

      1. Oh Lord won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?

        My friends all drive Porches I must make amends !

        / Japlin

  11. you can’t do TRT and transition to a woman at the same time.

    That was my point. You don’t decide to transition merely because the spring has gone out of your step.
    And, of course, I don’t particularly give a shit what Jenner does, other than wishing he would do it out of my view.

    1. Sorry. Let me clarify. I believe Jenner when he says that he has always felt that way. My observation was that there seem to be a lot of M-F transitions going on when the men are in their late 40s/early 50s. Lower T is just one theory. It could be that it wasn’t socially acceptable to do it until now.

      IDK, I haven’t given it a lot of thought, but I’m sure other people have.

      Now, I’m going to go back to not caring about the Kardashians.

      1. I believe Jenner when he says that he has always felt that way.

        Not that it matters, but I wonder how he felt when he was siring his six children (assuming that he’s the biological father to them). Being on the ‘giving’ side of procreative — and as such, penetrative — sex is something which is strongly associated with maleness, in a psychological sense. Or so I think.

        Again, it doesn’t matter as far as his decision to come out as a M-F transgender goes. But if the claim is that “he has always felt that way”, then it is interesting how that feeling of being a female can be reconciled with repeated male reproductive behaviour.

        1. I’m not sure. In the first few minutes of the interview (that’s all I saw before I fell asleep), he makes a point of saying that he’s hetero and likes women.

          1. So he’s going to be a lesbian woman? This crap always makes my BS meter peg. And I should know, as a self-identified black lesbian woman. Hey! The fact that I am bearded, pale of skin and have a penis doesn’t matter, man! You’re trying to force me into your patriarchal racial and gender stereotypes, hater!

    2. He’s an Olympian and therefore a national figure. I don’t know that he could do it out of your view. I don’t particularly want to see it, either, but I am sympathetic. I remember reading those horror stories of babies born with indeterminate gender and doctors bullying parents into arbitrarily assigning a gender, only to have chosen the wrong one. Imagine you being you but growing up in a body of the opposite sex. All jokes aside, it’s a terrible prospect.

      I don’t pretend to know how the transgender mind works, but I don’t see it being a choice anyone would willingly make.

      1. Exactly right Fist. Not all of us were aware of it throughout our lives and every trans person has a unique story, as do all humans. Increasing stress and anger eventually put me in the hospital, after I had been married twice, served in the military and had a couple of successful careers.

        The life threatening medical event prompted lifestyle changes and serious, assisted introspection over some years, which led to self discovery and acceptance. And yes, T was tested and any potential hormonal influence was investigated. All normal.

        I often ask people to try and imagine when they chose to be straight; or could they imagine never being allowed to play with their friends. Not that I didn’t play, just that I never got to do the girl stuff with my friends.

        Eventually, as Jenner described, many of us distract ourselves by trying to rechannel the drive and the confusion. But when we achieve the goal, we are again faced with the prospect of being someone that is not a true representation of who we are. It wears. Ultimately, as Bruce said, many of us simply cannot hide any more. Do or die.

    3. Hear hear!

  12. It’s Bruce’s choice you know if he wants to be a woman, I’m fully in support of that choice. But man, Bruce, you one fugly woman!

  13. From Wheaties Box to freakish looking male (no matter how he distorts his body and appearance he is still a male).

  14. I guaran-damn-tee you that there are more people upset about his coming out as Republican than there are those who are upset about his coming out transgender.

    I didn’t even know who he was, and really just don’t much care.

    Still, I oppose sex re-assignment surgery and other medical treatments related to transgenderism, but not for the reasons one might imagine. Sure, transgenderism is nonsense to me, but that’s not why I’m against medical intervention. I rather doubt that surgical sex “re-assignment” is a proper medical treatment for what seems to me to be a psychological problem. However, that should be between the transgendered and their physicians. As long as I do not have to pay for it — either through taxes or coerced participation in a state-mandated “insurance” scheme — it’s none of my business. Of course, the transgendered rights movement have made it my business by advocating for ObamaCare coverage. If I’m coerced to pay for this nonsense, I’m against it.

    1. I’m good if a person wants/needs to do this. I’m not good with beibg forced to include thos thus pay for this in my insurance plan. We receny had our rep visit at work and he explained that being part of our plan.

  15. Can anyone provide examples of anti-transgender legislation?

    1. I think when grocery stores solds buns in packs of ten but hot dogs in packs of eight!

  16. I read many of those Blaze tweets as jokes.

    1. The fog of Culturewar dulls many to the possibility that they are being trolled

  17. Tags: Transgender, Sex, Transhumanism

    Protip Nick, not every word that starts with “trans” refers to genital modification.

    1. Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.

      Sounds good to me.

      1. Sounds good to me too. It just isn’t related in even the most tangential sense to sex reassignment surgery.

      2. Dunno about you, but trans-ing yourself doesn’t seem to me to “greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.”

        1. Perhaps, but using science and technology to affect such a drastic change in one’s physical form seems to be along the edges of H+ at the very least.

          1. Modders are a subculture of Transhumanism, though they’re usually trying to sense- or capability-enhance.

  18. That is one not very convincing female impersonator.
    I’m waiting for the re-conversion, acompanied by another 6
    half hour episodes on the cable.
    Maybe Bruce can invent a third gender and go there (another
    6 episode documentary, whoopee)

    1. With those big athlete man hands, any dude getting a handjob better be porn star big or will have their schlong completely smothered. Not dissimilar to non-lesbians in the WNBA.

  19. Ok, can we cut the nonjudgmental horsepucky and have an honest conversation about this? In the present state of the Medical Arts, actually changing gender is not possible. What is possible is gross mutilation. I’m told, but haven’t yet been able to confirm, that post-op Trans people have sky-high suicide rates, which I don’t find at all surprising.

    I have no problem with Jenner. I don’t see that wanting to have a body of a gender different from the one you were born with is any different or in any way weirder than wanting to do to your body what being an Olympic level athlete does. But the people who told him that it was POSSIBLE, the “doctors” who operated one him, THEM I have a problem with. They are con-men, frauds, and mutilators. Their licenses to practice medicine should be pulled, and they deserve prison time for the way they prey on emotionally vulnerable people.

    1. post-op Trans people have sky-high suicide rates,

      Funny how nobody seems to studying, or at least publishing, that issue.

      1. And this should be compared with the suicide rates of people that identify as another (the other?) gender but do not get the surgery.

        1. Are you trying to determine if the operation is causal, or if the subculture is mentally ill?

          Showing the operation doesn’t significantly increase suicide just puts blame on the condition itself.

          Of course the next step for SJW is to then blame society for these ppl feeling depressed. The last thing they want is deviance to be questioned in any critical or thorough way. The whole point is to trace problems to white christian male colonialists who wrote the constitution.

          1. If the rate is less then an argument can be made that the surgery does make a difference.

            If the rate is the same or greater then the original argument that this is a mental illness that is not positively affected by the surgery has merit.

            No doubt the SJWs may go that route but if the argument is that “I was born into the wrong sex” I would think tht folks in other countries and in history prior to the US Constitution would have experienced the same. And up until say thirty (?) years ago there really weren’t hormonal and surgical options. So those in that situation would have been oppressed even more and not by anyone else or anything other than their own body.

    2. There isn’t a doctor on the planet that would surgically intervene to modify the body of a person suffering from any other variety of body dysmorphia. I don’t think surgeons should be prevented from doing so, nor lose their licenses (I don’t agree with state licensing anyway). But the medical ethics surrounding the practice are an exercise in special pleading.

      1. There isn’t a doctor on the planet that would surgically intervene to modify the body of a person suffering from any other variety of body dysmorphia.

        What would have been news to one late Michael Jackson.

        1. I’m not sure if Michael Jackson’s obsession with cosmetic surgery could technically be characterized as dysmorphia, but there’s also a distinction to be drawn in the type of procedure. A more accurate analogy would be, say, performing weight loss surgery on an anorexic – modifying both form and function of major organ systems to accommodate the neuroses of the patient. I suppose you can probably dredge up a doctor willing to perform just about any procedure for the right price, but it would certainly be outside the norms of medical ethics in that field, whereas sex reassignment is performed more routinely.

          That said, I think Michael Jackson’s plastic surgeon(s) were unscrupulous hacks with no ethics as well.

          1. Does Sammy Sosa bleaching his skin not count?

  20. A Republican? You think I’m impressed. *I’m* Abraham Lincoln!

    1. + 4 score

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  22. Jenner comes out as a Republican.

    Followed by TEAM BLUE freaks out and says nasty things about Jenner.

    Followed by TEAM RED freaks out and says pretty much the same nasty things about TEAM BLUE.

    I’m coming to believe the biggest problem facing our society is our growing inability to recognize irony.

    1. I think that society’s inability to recognize irony goes hand in hand with society’s growing inability to recognize Racism, amd severl other blind spots. There are so many terms that the Intellectual Left misuses because they are, effectively, illiterate boobs.

      Irony

      Racism

      Tolerance

      Diversity

      Conversation……

  23. If Fred wakes up tomorrow and thinks he’s Napoleon, they’ll give him psychotropic drugs to bring his delusions back into line with reality.
    If Fred wakes up tomorrow and thinks he’s Josephine they’ll give him hormones and surgery to bring his “reality” into line with his delusions.

    Wake me up when they can change chromosomes.

    Until then it’s mental illness

    1. I’m not trained in music theory, but I believe syncopation was known and incorporated in Western music going back several centuries before ragtime (although it is a more important element in ragtime, from which jazz eventually descended).

      Syncopation has been an important element of European musical composition since at least the Middle Ages. J.S. Bach and Handel used syncopated rhythms as an inherent part of their compositions; Haydn used it to create variety. Syncopation was used by Mozart, Beethoven, and Schubert, especially in their symphonies, for both purposes. This can be heard in Mozart’s 38th and Beethoven’s 7th.

      Which doesn’t take away from the importance of ragtime as the precursor to jazz, which is arguably the only uniquely American contribution to music. But I don’t think syncopation alone is sufficient to explain the influence of ragtime on later American music.

      1. You’re correct that syncopation has had a long history in the Western musical tradition. Again, the question on the table is that Ragtime is the ancestor of all modern American musical genres that is, jazz, blues, country and western, rock n’ roll, pop, etc. I’m not saying that, say, Appalachian folk music is descended from Ragtime though…more like the other way around through Ragtime’s decent from African American Drum and Fife music. What I’m proposing for discussion (whether sincerely or as Devil’s advocate is for you all to figure out) is that Ragtime represents an evolutionary bottleneck from which all 20th century popular American musical genres descend from.

        If you’re willing to expand on your point, I’d like to read more about what you think Ragtime’s influence is beyond syncopation.

        1. If you’re willing to expand on your point, I’d like to read more about what you think Ragtime’s influence is beyond syncopation.

          I have only a very superficial knowledge of the subject (I had to write a short paper on the history of ragtime once for a required art appreciation course in college), but I think the emphasis on solo virtuosity and improvisation in jazz could arguably be traced back to ragtime.

          I’m not sure how much influence from ragtime you could trace to other popular American genres. Country, bluegrass and rock and roll are probably more closely related to traditional American folk music that predated ragtime, and to blues (which is itself more a hybridization of African slave music and southern traditional music). The thread connecting them all is arguably syncopation, but syncopation predates ragtime, which was the point I was getting at earlier. The mongrelization of music is difficult to untangle. There is a lot of cross-influence and rapid accommodation of different styles.

        2. I wrote a long thing addressing this which got lost.

          as noted – syncopation in either melody/harmony/or rhythm predates ragtime, and frankly hasn’t ever been the defining characteristic of american music of the 20th century.

          i think its a mistake to assume that because something ‘pre-dates’ something else means that it was more ‘influential’. cultural history doesn’t really work that way. I’d say ragtime had some influence on jazz, but that both were really simply doing the same thing independently – which was trying to take existing western harmonic structures and chord progressions, and juice them up with afro-carribbean and rural-american rhythm.

          jazz ended up being the more influential because of its portability, and ability to be translated across a wide range of instruments and rhythm combos, and its structural flexibility. Ragtime is needlessly complex for popular music.

          more important for American music in the 20th century, imho, is “the blues”

          (12 bar I/IV/V progression, its long and short variations, and the ‘modified pentatonic scale with lowered 3rd and 5th)

          The blues really doesn’t derive itself from earlier western music the way ragtime and jazz do, and it doesn’t have any essential rhythmic derivation either. The verse, chorus, verse, chorus structure… chanting lyrics as opposed to long lyrical melodies… the driving downbeat…. all descend from blues. i think ragtime and jazz helped give the blues a platform for ‘respectability’

          my $.02

          1. sorry =

            the last paragraph there was supposed to point out = most american musical styles of the 20th century – jazz, swing, bebop, rock & roll, country/western, even rap & dance music – all have characteristics which trace back to basic blues structures.

            (*noted above, in the typical verse/chorus arrangements – and the bar length thereof – the downbeat emphasis, the comparative lack of ‘long lyrical melody’ vocals, … etc)

      2. Beethoven wrote ragtime music in 1822.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQMCfqFr4XA

    2. Discuss.

      I don’t know, is it just a coincidence that Ragtime shares such similarities with the Star Wars Cantina song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNi2oxH37vo And that all of three movies can be traced to the gunner on the Star Destroyer at the beginning of the first films? And that the government has guns that shoot AIDS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sMXV4oXhog

      Or is it Illuminati confirmed!?

    3. That’s the impression I got when I saw ‘Jelly’s Last Jam’ on Broadway all those years ago.

  24. upto I saw the receipt ov $6967 , I have faith that…my… brother was truly erning money in there spare time from there pretty old laptop. . there uncle has been doing this for only about thirteen months and a short time ago paid the loans on there cottage and bought a great new Honda . More Info … http://www.MoneyKin.Com

    1. It’s so easy, even illiterate people can do it!

  25. I’m late. What did I miss?

    My wife and mother in law (yes, she slept over) watched the whole thing while I did the manly thing and watched hockey.

    I couldn’t see myself squirming through 2 hours of Jenner ‘splainin’ himself.

    1. Two freaking hours?

      Anyways, you’re in Canada and the Stanley Cup playoffs are here so you can basically get out of anything else in order to watch hockey.

  26. Am I the only one who’s noticed thatthere are a lot of guys that hit like 60-70 and suddenly decide they’re a woman, even though their entire lives they lived seamlessly as a man and always acted like a man?

    I’ve seen a woman person who was born as a male. It was very obvious to everyone that little boy was actually a little girl inside.

    With these old dudes, it’s pretty obvious they’re mis-interpreting a drop in their hormones.

    So much for the gay and trans acceptance dialogue not causing any damage

    1. I think this is culturally created vagina-envy. They are envious of the damsel-privilege and victimhood status and general deference society grants females.

      That is why it takes hold after a lifetime, and not after a puberty. Its culturally induced, not hormonally.

      I think many men today secretly wish they could be female, just like Larry King’s kid wished he could be black like Obama. This is what happens when you respect persons and judge them on their identity not character. Ppl get identity envy.

  27. And these things are sane?
    http://hopenchangecartoons.blo…..r-fem.html

    1. I don’t understand –

      – are you saying its crazy that anyone thinks having female infantry marines is a national priority?

      – or is it crazy that anyone thinks otherwise?

      if you really want to have a competition for “most-offensively-stupid political-cartoons-on-earth”, you’re going to have to try hard to beat Ted Rall.

  28. In case you’ve never noticed most “pro” athletes are at least as weird as anyone in Hollywood.

  29. My only issue with the transgender thing is the large correlation with them being entitled and thinking someone else has to pay for their surgery/procedures. No matter what anyone says, a sex change could never be anything more than a great want. It doens’t bother me in the slightest until I start hearing some little fascist moan about how expensive it is and society owes them right after talking about cisgender privilege.

    Now the Obama admin has forced the military to pay for these procedures. Because that doesn’t create screwed up and dangerous incentives. Let’s take a man who wants to be a women and stick him/her into a hostile environment where they are receiving special medical benefits that a normal soldier would never get access to. I’ve seen people get rejected for procedures that would have been useful to their military career.

    Or prog logic – Daniel Manning can be locked away for life for leaking documents (no matter how recklessly), but he deserves to live his life in prison as a women.

    Then you get into the ridiculous bathroom issue. They all want government top men to step in and regulate it now when the problem was mostly created by progressive regulation passed a century ago. Everywhere should now have a third set of bathrooms to accommodate maybe 1% of the population.

    The few transgendered folks I’ve encountered are raging proggies who object to putting hormones into at tomato, but not their own bodies.

  30. I honestly think many of these people are just mentally ill.

    You are you. You might not like it, but nevertheless that’s who you are.

    I don’t see how it’s any different than people who think they are disabled and pretend they are, even though they are perfectly healthy. This even extends to people who think they have missing limbs.

    And apparently, doctors will chop off the limbs of these healthy people. Since now the viewpoint isn’t that these people are mentally ill, but they really are disabled, so they have to have medical procedures to make them disabled.

    Just like when transgendered people. But there, you can’t change their DNA. They are still XY or XX.

    I mean, look, transgender people have a sky high suicide rate, even after transitioning. That indicates to me that their real problem, period, is mental, not their bodies.

  31. Also, I’m not sure how “new” this is. If you were alive in the 70s and 80s, “Bruce” was considered to be a gay name. And he was one of the reasons why.

    You see this cropping up a few times in TV in that era. Most notably why Bruce Banner’s name was changed to David on The Incredible Hulk.

  32. OT: I don’t know how many Baltimore City Police officers were needed to sever Freddie Gray’s spinal cord I know how many they ended up using.

    1. + 1 Ron White

  33. pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
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  34. Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
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  35. What the hell’s wrong with Jenner? He should have come out as a Libertarian!

    He needs to rethink that republican crap. That’s so 1950s.

    1. Him coming out as a Republican is more lulzy by far. No one would give a shit if he said he was libertarian. He probably got more attention for that than for saying he was a woman, because no one saw that coming, least of all the SJW proglydytes that were licking their chops to “claim” him as one of their emotionally crippled own.

  36. I still think the whole thing’s weird, but what the hey! More power to him…er her.

  37. I’m curious if there are any documented cases of a transgender person who was born and remains blind? I ask this question based on Jenner’s physical/visual transformation. Dresses, hair, body features seem to be important to him in defining his identity as a woman. If he had never experienced the visual differences between man and woman, would he possibly be more accepting of himself as a man?

  38. The beautiful thing about this whole transition is that the “I was born this way” lie is totally debunked. Let us clear something else up…. this is not “evolution”. This does not self-replicate and whatever it is… it dies with Jenner’s body. This is clearly a troubled man crying for help.

  39. my Aunty Sophia just got a nearly new BMW X4 SUV just by some parttime working online with a lap-top
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  40. Transgender was mostly the stuff of sitcoms.

    Right, in 1976, it was just a joke. Since 1976 Ru Paul, Dennis Rodman, and Bruce Jenner have brought it full-circle into straight up social legitimacy.

    Seriously though, props to Bruce Jenner for finding a way to take his career from being ‘the other guy who won the Olympics or something’ on the show and finally upstaging Kim Kardashian’s ability to get naked.

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