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Student Who Pranked His Teacher Should Get Detention, Not Jail and a Felony

Miscreants, not criminals

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Domanik
Domanik Green

I often criticize school and police authorities for taking overzealous disciplinary measures against students who really didn't do anything wrong. (Take dinosaur boy, for instance.) But sometimes a student does deserve to be punished for doing something wrong—he just doesn't deserve, let's see, jail time.

Fourteen-year-old Domanik Green of Pasco County, Florida, provides a perfect example. Green was angry with a teacher; here's what he did for revenge, according to The Tampa Bay Times:

Green logged onto the school's network on March 31 using an administrative-level password without permission. He then changed the background image on a teacher's computer to one showing two men kissing.

… "I logged into a teacher's computer who I didn't like and tried putting inappropriate pictures onto his computer to annoy him," Green said.

Green's actions are certainly indefensible. He did something immature, and should be punished. I would give him a week or two in detention, and consider harsher penalties if he got intro trouble again.

What I would not do—what no sane person in a position of authority should do—is ruin his life with a felony cybercrime charge. And yet:

A 14-year-old Florida student has been charged with a cybercrime after allegedly hacking onto his school's computer network to change the background image on a teacher's computer to a photograph of two men kissing.

Eighth grader Domanik Green, who attends Paul R. Smith Middle School in Holiday, was suspended from school for 10 days and also charged with an offense against a computer system and unauthorized access, according to The Tampa Bay Times.

Treating every small infraction of school rules as a crime requiring police involvement is a waste of time and public resources. And it's bad for the kids. Green might not be able to return to school; will he learn anything from this experience? Will he become a more mature teen? Or will his life become immeasurably worse because officials went to DEFCON 1 over almost nothing?

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  1. Detention for the prank, jail for the hair.

    1. The picture makes me suspect that Green has already suffered enough at this school.

      1. I wonder if he was mentored by Pat Healy?

        1. The actor or the MMA fighter?

    2. What does he get for the thousand-yard stare? Caning? Death? He has to read one of your stories?

      1. He’s thinking about the things he had to do to get those glasses. Those horrible things.

        1. He had to have sex with Charlene Yi, and then let her peg him, but at least he got her glasses. I know because I saw it on Xtube.

          1. That is just an implanted memory.

            1. No, NutraSweet. It’s real. I have faith. I WANT TO BELIEVE

              1. Wet this towel, wrap it around your head. It blocks the signal.

                1. Then get my ass to Mars?

                  1. No, no, no – just shove a Mars bar up your ass. Close enough.

          2. He had to have sex with Charlene Yi

            “Had to”? Where do I sign up to have this, err, inflicted on me?

    3. Tiny American flags for others.

    4. There should be something for wearing a toque, in Florida.

    5. I’ve made $64,000 so far this year working online and I’m a full time student. I’m using an online business opportunity I heard about and I’ve made such great money. It’s really user friendly and I’m just so happy that I found out about it. Heres what I’ve been doing
      http://www.work-mill.com

  2. To be fair, Pasco doesn’t have any floridians, so this isn’t our bust.

  3. Treating every small infraction of school rules as a crime requiring police involvement is a waste of time and public resources.

    And that’s so utterly not the point. The point is to show the other students that if you rebel or don’t respect the authoritah of the staff, you will be crushed. It’s like throwing someone in solitary in prison for pissing off the guards. The administrators do it because the police are willing to get involved (because they are a similar species of nasty bully). If the cops and prosecutor told them to go pound sand over a prank, they wouldn’t try taking it up to 11 every time.

    1. There is a lot of truth to this take. I didn’t notice it when I was in school, but when I left and came back it was palpable.

      In my case I went away to college at 15 for the summer. After spending the summer taking philosophy and astronomy classes at Duke where my professors treated me like an adult, respected my opinions and abilities and looked me in the eye, I returned to high school.

      When I got back to school that fall I went from being the good little student that the teachers all liked to some sort of pariah. I didn’t feel like I was doing anything different, but wow, did the teachers react to me differently. Then I noticed how the other students looked. Heads down, don’t make eye contact, avoid interactions with the teachers. I realized that I was looking my teachers in the eye and speaking to them as equals. Nothing remotely disrespectful, or even a little impolite. But not differential and submissive. Within hours I had upset the applecart for the whole school. By the end of the first week the principle and guidance counselor were discussing my “attitude” with me.

      That episode really lifted the scales from my eyes. It took another few years for me to realize that they were sitting on a powder keg with far too few wardens and far too many inmates. Most kids didn’t want to be there, so they couldn’t let them feel even a sniff of autonomy, lest they lose their grip on the students. It certainly works for raising good little factory workers.

      1. Around when would this have been? I was lucky to go to a high school where the students were treated like college students (open campus, limited attendance requirements, going on trips with incredibly minimal supervision, etc), but that was because it was actually run by a university and the culture filtered over. I am so, so glad it worked out that way for me because I would have gotten in a fuckton of trouble at a more authoritarian place.

        1. public school – summer of 1981.

          I was running the school paper, so I could leave campus any time I wanted with a ready-made excuse about running to the printer or heading out to do a story. I had intended to skip out early to Duke, but I didn’t have the $25k per year. And the scholarship program I was going to take advantage of didn’t survive the federal budget realignment that year. Oh well. What might have been…

          Instead of attending Duke and hooking up with some Jersey chick who’s mother was in a panic because I wasn’t Jewish, I ended up at UNC a year later, hooking up with a cheerleader who’s mother was in a panic because I wasn’t black.

          Looking back I had a secret libertarian agent in my high school. My english teacher was pretty much my arch-nemesis that year. She seemed to pretty much hate me with a purple passion. But she is the one who introduced me to my first libertarian writings – from The Fountainhead and Anthem to Harrison Bergeron and Fahrenheit 451 to… well, now that I think about it everything she had us read was anti-authoritarian in some way. So I guess my time wasn’t completely wasted after all…. Maybe she played favorites with all the rich kids and kept the unpopular nerds at a distance so that she could get away with her subversive libertarian agenda? It wasn’t like that school was set up to breed free thinkers… Yet there she was, teaching philosophy to the best and brightest while pretending it was an English class.

          1. That was my experience with a few english classes in middle and high school in the mid to late 90s. There’s some kind of trend to it.

            1. I’d guess that the trend, at least through the 80s and 90s, is away from that sort of thing. Teachers expecting students to be deferential and meek seems like a more “old school” approach.

              I could be wrong. Maybe it’s just different cultures in different schools and parts of the country.

      2. Wow, that’s terrible. I pretty much spoke to teachers as equals, or at least like college professors in high school and mostly got respect for it, though I did annoy a few teachers (who really deserved to be annoyed). This was early-mid 90s.

    2. No, that’s not the point either. This is being made into a big fucking deal because it’s cybercrime, unauthorized access of a computer or network, which scares the bejesus out of people.

      1. Yes indeed. Cybercrime requires the cyberterrorists be thrown into cyberprison lest the cybernetwork collapse and all our cybersystems are shot to cyberhell. Cyberlives depend upon it.
        .
        And calling this some kind of prank is a little simplistic when you realize the technological sophistication necessary to use an alpha-numeric language on a tactile input peripheral to access the graphical user interface which overlays the binary encoding of the very operating system of this particular cybersystem. This little shit certainly didn’t learn those sorts of skills in the public school system, I can tell you that!

        1. Noice. For you.

        2. Difficult skills. Like stealing or guessing passwords.

      2. I’m really glad that when I cracked the school computer system in 8th grade, that was way the fuck back in the early 90’s. Because of shit like this, basically.

    3. If a kid gets bullied until he kills himself, the school covers it up, but when a kid changes the wallpaper on a teacher’s desktop, hell rains down.

      Separate question: Why is this teacher a homophobe?

  4. My only complaint is that the kid isn’t being tried as an adult.
    Just kidding.
    Fuck that school.

  5. “cyber”

  6. You know, there may not be, well, let me rephrase, there most certainly are not many millenial libertarians, but at the rate things are going, there’s going to be a lot of them before too long.

    Somewhat related to millenials and dinosaurs:

    Hillary, shit talking control freak

    Iowa students preparing for Hillary’s first ‘listening’ session think she’s a ‘control freak’ who will be ‘talking s**t’

    Lesson well learned, young weedhoppers.

    1. In my experience, community college students are somewhat less likely to be brainwashed prog minions than university students.

      1. Proud undergrad from a community college, where the tuition is a tenth what I would pay for equivalent courses at the state university. We also tend to skew older (I’m a late-starter in my mid-twenties). I’d peg the median age at around ~32. One thing I’ve noticed is that, while the parking lots are rife with Obama 2008/12 bumper stickers, there are very few unapologetically progressive causes du jour. You’ll find the occasional school-sponsored cultural awareness drive, but it’s delightfully tepid and easily ignored. Not so at the university, where students are waylaid daily by inarticulate zealots for whatever cause struck their fancy that morning.

        1. Proud marginally less debt-ridden undergrad from a community college

          FTFM

          1. This is intimately tied to the difference in political attitudes. Major university campuses are filled with thousands of bright young people who don’t have to work for a living. Mom and dad (and/or a bunch of loans) are picking up the tab for 4 or 5 years, so they’ve got loads of time on their hands and no real understanding of what it takes to get ahead in the world or how valuable their opportunity is.

            Not so the community college. Filled with people who have been paying their way for 5 or 10 years, scraping by as waiters and secretaries, community colleges don’t have idle hands and hollow heads laying around to fill with vacuous political philosophies. As a group, these people know what a high school diploma will get them. And they value their time between shifts way too much to waste it on empty political rhetoric.

            There may not be nearly as many academic high-fliers on campus, but that old “college of hard knocks” has given them a level of wisdom that their counterparts at the big campuses can’t match.

        2. Or you could go to a school where the liberals are in archetecture, so you dont interact as they die if light hits them.

          In the daylight the worst I had to interact with were IEs.

          1. In all dumb honesty I’m champing at the bit to meet my soon-to-be collegiate peers when I exhaust the transferable credits available here and begin attending university proper. Credulous, inexperienced, bright, but terminally muddle-headed kids with insipid beliefs and a penchant for economic and social fantasy… what’s not to love?

            1. its not nearly as bad as the ppl here make it out to be. college was where i was finally exposed to libertarian thought – mises, hayek, et al.

    2. Future chef Ross Vander Peut said gay marriage is a ‘deal-breaker’ for him but worries that Hillary Clinton ‘seems like, kinda like a control freak’

      I just want to control who marries whom, but at least I’m not some control freak!

  7. “sane person in a position of authority…”

    Oxymoron of the week?

  8. OT: Here it is, your Ready for Hillary dog leash. Sorry for the repost, but this cracks me up.

    1. Now THAT is a metaphor.

    2. Looks like my Boston. Then again, they almost all look identical.

      Except I’d give my Boston the Vick treatment before parading him around with a Ready for Hillary leash.

  9. allegedly hacking onto his school’s computer

    Oh jeez. He used a password that he got somehow. He didn’t “hack” shit.

    1. Dude, these laws are written by people who think the internet is a series of tubes and that “hacking” is what happens at the beginning of Weird Science. Asking them to understand the distinction between social engineering and actual hacking, brute force or otherwise, is futile. And they also don’t care. They want to be able to go after someone for unauthorized access even if the person didn’t actually “hack” shit.

    2. He used his teacher’s last name because their security is just that garbage.

  10. because officials went to DEFCON 1 over almost nothing

    Zero. Tolerance.

  11. 2 guys kissing? sounds like the teacher, administration, and prosecutor will be deservedly guilty of a retroactive capital crime in the near future.

    1. Yeah, should the kid be praised for his destruction of heteronormativity.

      1. Cis boom bah!

  12. OT: I will post the link in full so we do not give them too many page views, but this of the kind of story a real journalist who went to journalism school, and who is a proud, strong woman writes:

    http://jezebel.com/match-the-r…..08/+kylenw

    Suck on that, Soave.

    1. That did not go as intended. “match the ridiculous groupie story to the famous musician.” Taken straight from the reddit!

    2. Richard Bradley pointed out that Anna Merlan started her career write for the Village Voice and some other legitimate site and now writes for Jezebel, which seems like a downward career trajectory.

      1. I dunno, the Village Voice kinda fired everybody back in 2011, right when she started working for them. Suspect they were looking for warm bodies who’d work cheap.

        /Haven’t read an alt-weekly in decades.

        1. Oh, I forgot the other great downward Jezebel career trajectory.

          Natasha Vargas-Cooper, the writer who claimed Scott Walker wanted colleges to stop reporting rape, which turned out to be horseshit.

          She’s written for the following organizations:

          Her writing has been published in the New York Times,[1] the Wall Street Journal,[2] The Guardian,[3] GQ,[4] Spin,[5] The Atlantic Monthly,[6] the New Statesman,[7] Good magazine,[8] Bookforum,[9] BlackBook,[10] New York magazine,[11] and Los Angeles magazine.[12] Her writing has also been featured on websites such as The Awl[13] (for whom she is the Los Angeles correspondent), the Huffington Post,[14] E! Online,[15] The Daily Beast,[16] and Salon.[17]

          Other than Salon and a few of the scrub websites, that’s an awfully solid resume for a Jezebel writer who gets caught libeling politicians.

    3. The part of the that piece I love the best is that the scumbag musicians are all dudes, because women musicians never have groupies or weird sexual fantasies.

      Sure.

      That site is less self-aware than a game of pong.

      1. Maybe I’m being sexist, but I just don’t imagine female musicians engaging in the same sort of debauchery with nubile young fans as certain male performers have been known to do.

        Of course women have minds as dirty as anyone and can be just as promiscuous. But male and female sexual behavior does tend to be rather different. There is a reason there aren’t a lot of male prostitutes who service women.

    4. Ok not even a throwaway? I fucked [Musician] in a seedy toilet room out the back of the ANU Refectory Bar in 1998. I’m not proud. I try not to tell people. But on the bright side, I didn’t get gonorrhea.

      This person had sex with Flavor Flav.

      Flavor Flav.

      Flavor Flav.

      1. I try not to tell people.

        Not terribly hard, you’re not.

        But on the bright side, I didn’t get gonorrhea.

        Don’t take it personally if I insist on using a rubber, anyway.

        1. A whole truck tire’s worth.

          1. Would it be too on the nose to point out that this is an allegedly feminist website where women are talking about banging Flavor Flav in a toilet?

            They don’t seem to have quite gotten that whole ‘feminism’ thing, huh?

            1. Except for the shame part, I don’t see why.

  13. OT: If we don’t stop climate change the earth will be a whorehouse for some reason.

    Click this dirty whore link to find out why!

    1. Bullshit. All the whore islands will sink beneath the waves.

      1. Malory Archer: ISIS isn’t your own personal travel agency. It doesn’t exist so you can jet off to Whore Island. [pause] Sterling?

        Sterling Archer: Hmm? Sorry, I was picturing Whore Island.

        1. Cheryl: The Isle of Man… Oh my God… Is that like Whore Island for women?

          1. The church of man love is such a holy place to be.

        2. Imagine a thalassocracy of nothing but Whore Islands.

          1. Might be easier to limit disease vectors. Madagascar, you paranoid assholes!

            /Pandemic

            1. That game is what pulled me through a restaurant re-opening. My sole sanctuary in the sea of crazy.

              I still have fond memories of sneaking off for a smoke and wiping out life as we know it.

    2. Has Ron Bailey changed his position?

      1. Keep it classy, Winston. His sex life is none of your business.

  14. Also, like the DEFCON 1 reference in an article about a hack happy high school kid.

    +1 game best not played

    1. Hello, Joshua.

      1. Stephen Falken: … Except, I never could get Joshua to learn the most important lesson.
        David Lightman: What’s that?
        Stephen Falken: Futility. That there’s a time when you should just give up.
        Jennifer: What kind of a lesson is that?

  15. Treating every small infraction of school rules as a crime requiring police involvement is a waste of time and public resources

    Hardly a waste of resources. This is possibly the only thing schools do that prepare kids for life in the real world. Offenses against the state as especially heinous. Use of technology the state doesn’t understand is like using witchcraft. Mockery using homosexuals is a magnitude higher than using heterosexuals. This kid has learned a lot.

  16. Why do we need public schools in the first place? William A. Levinson makes the case that public schools may soon be obsolete .

    1. Bit how would kids be socialistized?

        1. I’ve been meaning to ask a question of you and here you are:

          In your opinion what culture has the strangest or most difficult (pick any measure) personal naming conventions?

          1. I’d have to think about “strangest” but most difficult, imo, has to be Tamil. A Tamil name starts with the name of your village, then your father’s name, then your name, and back in the day, your caste. What makes that so difficult is that the average Tamil word is like 26 letters in length. And for whatever reason, a lot of the names end in “nathan”,

            1. And so your fathers name would be that long as well so essentially doubling the length?

              That seems to be more of a concise biography that a name.

              1. in the present day, when communicating in English, at least, they tend to use initials for the first two names, so “Kachirayanatham Lakshminarayan Sabarinathan” becomes “K. L. Sabarinathan”.

            1. Imagine being named “Unwanted”. That’s almost worse than being named Tulpa.

              1. Or here’s a crasy one from Iceland: ?feigur, which originally would have meant “not a useless eater that we ought to just chuck off a cliff”. It would have to be a pretty hard culture where that would be considered a good thing to use for a name.

                1. Is there a name for “a useless eater that we ought to just chuck off a cliff”?

                  1. “Is there a name for “a useless eater that we ought to just chuck off a cliff”?”

                    Yes, but they threw him off a cliff.

            2. No so strange. The Bulgarians have name days. It’s like a second birthday.

              1. They do that in France as well.

          2. You got flipping Spanish surnames which are infinitely recursive, expandable to mention as many ancestors as a one likes. Then there’s Russian forms of address, in which a name is extended, diminished, combined with patronymics, in maybe a dozen different possible permutations, depending upon what aspect of social relation the speaker is trying to stress. It’s made difficulter by that many less formal variations of a given name are almost unrecognisable as related to the formal version at all, and many forms are significantly longer than the formal name. And there’s the Ganda, who have a pretty short list of possible names, with the idea that every person with a given name is the same soul. As a result, a name can’t be used again until the current user has died off. To make it worse, they sometimes use somebody’s name for a pet animal after he dies, in which case the animal is now believed to be a vessel for that soul, and the name may not be used till it gets killed off. The strange thing to me is how naming is, so far as I know, universal: there is no culture I know where people do not have individual names. It probably wouldn’t occur to me, if I was raised up without being exposed to named persons, that individuals should have actual names, rather than simple descriptive appellations invented as one goes along, applied in the context where it is useful, and then discarded.

            1. Then there’s Russian forms of address, in which a name is extended, diminished, combined with patronymics, in maybe a dozen different possible permutations, depending upon what aspect of social relation the speaker is trying to stress.

              For an outsider, social relational deixis can be a nightmare to navigate and understand.

              And there’s the Ganda, who have a pretty short list of possible names, with the idea that every person with a given name is the same soul. As a result, a name can’t be used again until the current user has died off.

              That’s interesting. I didn’t know that.

              It probably wouldn’t occur to me, if I was raised up without being exposed to named persons, that individuals should have actual names, rather than simple descriptive appellations invented as one goes along, applied in the context where it is useful, and then discarded.

              Why would you discard it though? I would think it would be more trouble to devise a new name than just to keep the one you invented.

              1. What, so if you’re “the person standing next to the tree” once, you should keep that forever?

            2. And there’s the Ganda, who have a pretty short list of possible names, with the idea that every person with a given name is the same soul.

              Are outsiders soulless, then, or members of a hive soul?

            3. “[…]It’s made difficulter[…]”

              Consider that stolen.

      1. MMA Recess.

  17. Pro tip:

    Choose your college wisely.
    I attended a private college that used works from Hayek, Friedman, etc.
    It fundamentally changed me for the better, if I may be so bold…it enlightened me.
    The “state” sucks donkey propaganda balls.

    1. Indeed, JD3, indeed. The first time I ever heard the phrase “Chicago school”, It was in a college classroom, and it was delivered with the scorn usually reserved for Hitler or the Klan.

      1. That’s the problem with going all in with scorn. They couldn’t go any further when they mention the Austrian school. So, they just ignore it completely.

        1. Succinctly stated and 100% true. The free-market, limited to no government movement is growing due to the sheer ignorance and stupidity of the brush-reason-under-the-rug statists. The pile of truth under the rug is getting impossible to ignore.

          1. The pile of truth under the rug is getting impossible to ignore.

            Which is great, but that’s when statists get all “kill-y”.

            1. The pile of truth under the rug is getting impossible to ignore.

              I’m an optimist, HM. This is when I choose to clean the litter box. The cat is ungrateful as usual. But I did my bit to keep fascism at bay.

              1. Your cat becomes a fascist when you don’t clean its litter box?

                1. He’s not named Meowssolini for nothing!

                  1. He’s not named Meowssolini for nothing!

                    Pol Paw

                    1. Napurrleon.

                    2. Hissmail Enver Pawsha

                      I can’t feel good about that one, especially since I reused paw.

                    3. Chairman Meow

                    4. This is what you jerks get for those puns.

                  2. Stawwwwlin.

      2. Haha, yes, we’ll said. It’s not a coincidence that Chicago also happens to be one of the worst Nanny Cities in arguably the worst Nanny State.
        As my 90 year old, Manhattan-raised Grandma would say, “Chicargo has corruption up the ying-yang!”

      3. Indeed, JD3, indeed. The first time I ever heard the phrase “Chicago school”, It was in a college classroom, and it was delivered with the scorn usually reserved for Hitler or the Klan.

        The best is when they blame Friedman for Pinochet even though all Friedman did was give Pinochet some economic advice that ended up being utterly brilliant given Chile’s trajectory over the last 30 years.

        Compare that to all the fashionable leftists of the day who were outright apologists for the Soviet Union.

        1. Milton Friedman personally pushing dissidents out of helicopters hovering over the Pacific Ocean is the exact same thing as explaining supply and demand!

          Why can’t you REASONFASCISTS understand this?

          1. Hell, there are still quite a few leftists willing to apologize for communism.

            Exhibit 2: My girl Elizabeth Stoker Breunig!

            “Dr Tabash said that all of this is important simply because ‘the poorest deserve the best’ …’The poorest deserve the best’: when you hear that, I wonder if you can take in just how revolutionary it is. They do not deserve what’s left over when the more prosperous have had their fill, or what can be patched together on a minimal budget as some sort of damage limitation. And they don’t ‘deserve’ the best because they’ve worked for it and everyone agrees they’ve earned it. They deserve it simply because their need is what it is and because where human dignity is least obvious it’s most important to make a fuss about it.”

            So, this is literally just ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his need’ only its twisted into a Christian form that allows Catholics to approve of it.

            And neither the original speaker nor ESB realize they’re actively arguing in favor of Communism.

            1. You’re not going to make me think she’s not cute, you know. Monsters can be cute too.

              1. In fairness, I tracked down the quote and the quote originates from a guy who was talking about an international charity driven hospital he worked at.

                So that guy seems cool since he’s actually willing to provide the poor with aid through his own work and services. That’s obviously vastly different than what ESB means given her lust for state control.

                So I take back what I said about the original guy who said that since he was talking about Christian charity, but my point regarding ESB stands.

            2. +1 Communist dentistry

              (smile like a barcode)

            3. Catholicism and communism are so close that not much twisting is needed: they both disapprove of progress, independent thinking, free markets, and they both want everybody to be equally miserable. They hate each other so much because they are so similar: they are in competition for the same people.

  18. Imagine a thalassocracy of nothing but Whore Islands.

  19. “Treating every small infraction of school rules as a crime requiring police involvement is a waste of time and public resources.”

    This is a small infraction of school rules?

    1. Well, I don’t know where you went to school, but until recent times, something analogous to this would, yes, be a “small infraction” of sorts. I remember when my brother ran a lawnmower down the halls of the highschool during class. This was a small infraction. He got a stern talking to for it. Another youngster I knew did something very similar to the thing described in this case. It wasn’t even treated as an infraction, but rather as a sort of personal insult to the teacher, who handled it by means of taking the kid aside and having a rational discussion with him to try to convince him why he shouldn’t have done it. Then there was a couple of guys who somehow got a cow onto the second story of the highschool. Nobody knows how they did it. They never told. They had to open a wall up and bring in some kind of elevator to get it out. They were yelled at. But in those days, there was always somebody or other doing something terrible that warranted an actual whipping, which was administered. So the whole mood of the disciplinary matrix was totally different I guess from how it has come to very recently become to be.

    2. It’s neither jail worthy nor felony worthy.

      1. I did not mean the legal aspect of it.

  20. Only the iron first of zero tolerance can teach this boy how to be a proper citizen.

  21. Dude, you’re from Florida and you look like a fat chick? Get offa the fuckin’ computer and get some sun and exercise. Sheesh.

  22. an offense against a computer system

    What does that even mean? Is it like, say, “installing Vista”?

    1. are you a terrorist? cause that sounds like something a terrorist might do.

      1. Yeah, pretty sure that even in Florida installing Vista is a capital crime.

  23. Is there any limit to to pussification of this country.

    1. Your question might upset some people. Try to make this a safe, inclusionary space where everyone can feels like they can participate.

      1. Safe and inclusionary like this?

        http://dumbfunnydrunk.com/free-cuddles/

    1. Let me know as soon as she starts, then.

      1. Ohhhhhh! Ohhhhhhhhh!

      1. Grammar Nazi in attendance!
        *The* hoi poloi? Does anyone at Hot Air have an editor? Do the drive to the ATM *MACHINE* at 10AM in the *MORNING* to enter their PIN *NUMBER*, which might be the same as their car’s VIN *NUMBER*?

        1. Not settled.

          Some linguistic prescriptivists and students of ancient Greek argue that, given that hoi is a definite article, the phrase “the hoi polloi” is redundant, akin to saying “the the masses”. Others argue that this is inconsistent with other English loanwords. The word “alcohol”, for instance, derives from the Arabic al-kuhl, al being an article, yet “the alcohol” is universally accepted as good grammar; relevant differences, however, are that a) hoi polloi is transliterated but otherwise unmodified, whereas alcohol is altered in both pronunciation and associated spelling to form an independent word, and b) hoi polloi is left standing as a multiple-word phrase, with one word devoted exclusively to the function of the definite article, whereas in alcohol the grammatical particle serving as an article is assimilated into the (heavily modified) word.

          1. Link no work…

          2. And since they remain separate words (even among those who miss use them) I’m going with “PIN Number”.

      2. Oh, and she was there without a retinue? I didn’t think any Clinton went anywhere without a posse.

        1. I am shocked that she picked up her own lunch.

          1. She’s real, yo.

    1. I wonder how long it took her to shit it out.

  24. I somehow managed to stumble across The Daily Show tonight. From what I can gather Republicans are against Hillary because they practice identity politics. No projection there at all.

    1. I didn’t know that Obama liked to attach shucked oysters to his neck. This is something that really should have been brought up during his election runs.

  25. Ten weirdest Florida News stories.

    Number one sounds fun:

    23-year-old Beatrize Carrion-Moore was taken into custody on a complaint that she repeatedly offered bar patrons at Boonies Bar in West Palm Beach oral sex for money and refused to leave.

    When deputies arrived, they spoke to the bar manager who said she was having trouble with an intoxicated patron.

    Carrion-Moore became angry when she was confronted about her actions in the presence of law enforcement. She said that it was not right that she was being asked to leave.

    When a deputy attempted to place her in handcuffs, she pulled away and was able to slip out of the restraints. After a brief struggle, both a deputy and Carrion-Moore fell to the ground. When deputies tried to seat her in the patrol car, she climbed the side of the door panel in an attempt at resistance. She repeatedly kicked at deputies, ultimately hitting one in his upper thigh and groin area several times. Once she was secured in the back of the car, Carrion-Moore she offered the wounded deputy oral sex in exchange for letting her go.

    Carrion-Moore was later charged with trespassing after warning, resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer, court records show.

    1. Oh, c’mon. Like no one here ever shot their sibling in the ass with a BB gun.

  26. G?nter Grass dies.

    It’s sad that a novelist could start with a classic book, but then become less interesting as the leftism took firmer hold.

    On the other hand, it’s hilarious that a man held up as a leftist moral authority turned out to have voluntarily enlisted in the Waffen-SS, the Nazi party’s military wing, which had countless atrocities to its name. It’s “not known” if Grass participated in any, but AFAIK the Waffen-SS didn’t get more soft and merciful as they lost the war, so that’s the way to bet, isn’t it? And I don’t think even younger units got assigned to boring supply or maintenance duties.

    After Hitler, he was a supporter of Castro and the Sandinistas, and opposed German reunification. He led the charge in attacking Reagan for visiting the Bitburg cemetery in 1986, because… wait for it… there are Waffen-SS soldiers buried there. For decades he was a leading light for educated and politically self-righteous leftists.

    Too bad the author John Irving still thinks he’s a moral exemplar, which probably indicates the leftist consensus: sad irony, nothing more, Grass’s attacks on evil right-wingers are still valid. They won’t think there’s any connection between an attraction to Hitlerism and an attraction to socialist strong men. “But-but-but, they’re total opposites in every way!!”

  27. On the other hand, Grass was like Jean-Fran?ois Revel, a Euroleftist who also thought American leftists absurd in the same way:

    “For the past hour, I have my eyes fixed on the doors here,” he said. “You talk about fascism and police repression. In Germany when I was a student, they come through those doors long ago. Here they must be very slow.”

    Grass was enjoying himself for the first time all evening. He was not simply saying, “You really don’t have so much to worry about.” He was indulging his sense of the absurd. He was saying: “You American intellectuals ? you want so desperately to feel besieged and persecuted!”

    He sounded like Jean-Fran?ois Revel, a French socialist writer who talks about one of the great unexplained phenomena of modern astronomy: namely, that the dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe.

    Not very nice, G?nter! Not very nice, Jean-Fran?ois! A bit supercilious, wouldn’t you say! . . . .

    I was a big fan of Revel back in the day, so Grass gains some points for that.

    1. Revel started out as a Euroleftist, but he ended up ostracized by the European left after he effectively became a libertarian.

      There is no comparison between him and Grass; Grass remained an unrepentant left-wing German intellectual to his end, complete with the arrogance and ignorance that implies.

  28. If we’re going to maintain our more people in prison than the rest of the world combined we must continue to imprison people for practically nothing.

  29. Why’d you post a picture of Lena Dunham?

  30. Make him wear those glasses and haircut for another week; that’s punishment enough.

  31. Or he could grow up to be a cyber criminal or terrorist and make a good living changing student’s grades online or bringing down the country’s infrastructure. One thing he won’t do is become a computer professional with any business that has government contracts.

    1. I don’t think Mr. “somebody told me the teachers use their last names as their passwords” is going to be doing any kind of advanced computer work any time soon

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  33. What he did was not a joke. It is a felony to hack a public school’s computer system. He should go to a real prison because what he did was a crime. If we let him slid on this crime he get into bigger crimes later in life. You can’t break the laws and get away with them because you a young. He must learn now that hacking a computer system to bug a teacher he does not like is not the way to deal with stuff he dislikes in life. He must be punished and do his prison time like any other criminal. Let this slid and he bill hacking banks and stealing money next time.

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