Rape

Did a Student's Non-PC Views on Rape Statistics Get Him Banned from Class? Maybe, Maybe Not.

Trigger warning: The ending of this story is pretty nuts.

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A male student at Reed College—a private liberal arts college in Oregon—says he was told not to return to his Humanities 110 discussion because his opinions about the prevalence of campus rape offended other people in the class. His professor, however, disputed that characterization of events in an exclusive statement to Reason.

Reached by email, the student refused to answer my questions and made the weirdest demand I've ever heard. More on that in a minute.

First, the details. According to BuzzFeed, 19-year-old Jeremiah True told his classmates that the oft-cited 1-in-5 statistic about sexual assault was an exaggeration (an opinion with which I happen to agree). This and other politically incorrect opinions led his humanities professor, Pancho Savery, to ban him from attending discussions. In an email to True, Savery told him that these opinions made his classmatess—survivors of sexual assault among them—"extremely uncomfortable." He wrote:

"There are several survivors of sexual assault in our conference, and you have made them extremely uncomfortable with what they see as not only your undermining incidents of rape, but of also placing too much emphasis on men being unfairly charged with rape," Savery wrote to True. "The entire conference without exception, men as well as women, feel that your presence makes them uncomfortable enough that they would rather not be there if you are there, and they have said that things you have said in our conference have made them so upset that they have difficulty concentrating in other classes. I, as conference leader, have to do what is best for the well-being of the entire class, and I am therefore banning you from conference for the remainder of the semester."

The story, first reported by BuzzFeed, was picked up at National Review and The Daily Caller. Both outlets criticized Savery for caving to hypersensitivity. NR's Kat Timpf complained that the recitation of a fact (that the 1-in-5 statistic isn't valid) could get a student in trouble:

Yes — he was banned for pointing out that a deceiving statistic was misleading. It's based on a survey of senior undergraduates from just two schools, both large public universities — hardly a sample that represents the entire country. And it didn't even ask the participants about "rape" in particular. Rather, it asked them if they had ever experienced any "unwanted sexual contact" — including "forced kissing" and someone "rubbing up against you in a sexual way, even if it's over your clothes." 

Savery is known for being an ardent defender of free speech, which makes his apparent decision to remove True from class all the more baffling. While Reed College is a private institution not bound to follow the First Amendment or extend free speech rights to its students, this certainly seems like another incident where feelings-protection trumped open dialogue and violated the ethos of the law. If students can't debate cultural issues and facts in a classroom discussion, what kind of education are they getting?

All that said, I was curious about the context of True's remarks. While students should be able to speak up about controversial subjects, they aren't allowed to hijack classroom conversations and steer them wildly off track. If True was rowdy, interrupted other students, or veered off topic, that would be another matter.

Savery declined comment to BuzzFeed, but I was able to reach him via email. He confirmed that he was a "strong believer in the First Amendment," and maintained that the student's views were not the issue.

"He was not banned because of what he said but because of a series of disruptive behaviors," Savery told Reason.

I also reached True via email, and asked him whether he had been rowdy or disruptive in class. He responded by making a bizarre request. This was his email back to me:

Before I interview with you, you must agree to make "nigger" be the first word in your article.

I declined this ultimatum, and he declined to answer my questions. Needless to say, I've grown a lot more skeptical of True's side of the story. If I find out anything more that backs up either person's assertions about what happened, I'll update this story.

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  1. Reached by email, the student refused to answer my questions and made the weirdest demand I’ve ever heard.

    People who nag like that annoy me.

    1. Naggers?

      1. They’re called “nagroes” now.

        1. Nagrican-Americans

          1. People of Pester

            1. Nagger, please.

    2. My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can’t believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do,

      http://www.work-cash.com

      1. Fuck off, spamming cunt.

  2. Reached by email, the student refused to answer my questions and made the weirdest demand I’ve ever heard.

    Somebody’s trying to top from the bottom.

  3. Sounds like he was shit testing you to me. If you are willing to put that as your first word, then the probability of you taking what he says out of context drops dramatically. It’s a fairly good idea if poorly implemented. With how the SJWs tend to act he’s going to have to be very very careful who he gives the ability to quote him.

    1. It was a retarded idea in the first place, and this little moron made it even worse by fumblefucking the delivery. That said, Robby probably should have just lied to the virginal little retard and gotten the interview, because you know it would have been hilarious and incredibly stupid.

      1. Yup, I gotta fault Robbie for that one.

        The kid pulled a gun on Robby, put it to his own head, and Robbie shouted, “Isn’t anybody gonna help that poor man!”

        1. Nobody move or the nigger gets it!

          1. Hold it, men. He’s not bluffing.

            Listen to him, men. He’s just crazy enough to do it!

            Isn’t anybody going to help that poor man?

            Hush, Harriet! That’s a sure way to get him killed!

            1. Well, these are simple folk. The common clay of the new west. You know…morons.

              1. Its been too long since the last time somebody quoted Blazing Saddles around here.

      2. I don’t think reporters should develop a reputation of lying to sources. If they don’t want to talk, or if they want to talk only on unacceptable conditions, simply report that fact.

        1. But Robby’s never reported a thing in his fucking life.

          1. How could he without doing a post-doc program at Columbia?

          2. What do you call this article, then?

            1. Extremist right-wing propaganda? How would I know, I don’t have a Masters from Columbia.

              1. Wait, you’re being sarcastic, aren’t you?

    2. It’s a fairly good idea if poorly implemented.

      I’d say it was pretty foolish. Five minutes on the internet would have shown him who he was dealing with


      1. I’d say it was pretty foolish. Five minutes on the internet would have shown him who he was dealing with

        A fuckin’ Boss!

    3. Since pretty much everyone would refuse the request, I don’t think it tells him anything.

  4. I declined this ultimatum, and he declined to answer my questions.

    I think the request itself is a pretty clear answer to the question of whether he was disruptful in class.

    1. Yep, that’s my first reaction as well. Maybe he is just a shithead.

      1. Huh. My first reaction was “disruptful?”

  5. The professor’s email makes it sounds like the guy was banned for his opinions, but the guy’s response to Robby makes him sound like a real asshole. He was probably voicing his opinion like a real asshole and until other facts come out, I’m not going to shed any tears.

    Unless “Up” comes on TV. Then I’ll shed a few tears. Not for him though.

    1. But if he was pushing his ideas like ‘a real asshole’ you would think that the professor would mention a few examples.

      Instead he talks about men being falsely accused of rape and misleading rape statistics

      1. He might not if the student were African-American.

        And maybe the professor knows its a 19 year old being a a-hole.

        Its not like he’s the first 19 year old to be extreme.

      2. Not if the professor has integrity. The professor doesn’t see this as a him vs. student sort of thing, and was clearly doing everything he could to avoid this outcome. The professor probably would see listing examples and trying to paint the kid forever as a banal troll on the Internet as some sort of violation of his duty as a professor.

        If you go to the kid’s (probable) Facebook, he has listed “How to Annoy People at Reed College” as his “Education”.

    2. He was probably voicing his opinion like a real asshole

      So…Bo.

  6. Is it me, or has “College Kids Being Retarded” been recently elevated to National Newsworthy Significance….because….. um……. i don’t know, clickbait?

    There was once a time when most of this stuff wouldn’t even make the *school* paper because people…. well, I want to say they were ‘more mature than that’, but i think that’s probably wrong…..maybe because people had ‘bigger fish to fry’?

    Our “Culture” has been hopelessly Gawkerfied.

    1. The internet has allowed people to whine harder than they have ever whined in the history of the world, it’s true. I wish I could think of a solution. Well, a more elegant one than socks full of pennies.

      1. pantyhose instead of socks?

        1. Stockings. Stockings are classy.

      2. People always whined like this. It’s just that the audience is larger now.

        1. It’s become totally shameless. Instead, there’s pride. “By demanding trigger warnings about rape in ancient Greek myths, I am standing up for survivors everywhere! LOOK AT ME!!”

      3. Does the solution involve fun camps.

    2. Maybe it’s because they now whine in front of Congress, which the media uses as an opportunity to publicize, which the legislature uses as an opportunity to pass legislation claiming “public support”.

      The earlier you intervene in the process the easier it is to stop.

    3. More and more things are being KULTUR WAR-ed, and campus idiocy is one of them. When things get KULTUR WAR-ed, they become intensely interesting to a lot of people who love KULTUR WAR, so the media is going to report on it. There’s nothing like KULTUR WAR for clickbait.

      Of course when things get KULTUR WAR-ed, from that point on they become explicitly political and nothing intelligent or logical happens with them any more. Yay!

      1. Yeah, I remember being annoyed at how “political” everything was getting in school and that was 20 years ago. I.e. NOTHING compared to today – not even close. I can’t imagine having to suffer through this junk.

        1. Oh, definitely. I thought it was stupid back then, now is just…insane. I know I could never deal with it. Because its explicit purpose is to actually make it so people have to deal with it. They don’t want you to be able to go “this is stupid, fuck you, I don’t care about your bullshit”.

  7. “Before I interview with you, you must agree to make “nigger” be the first word in your article.”

    Nigger please.

  8. Robby, you should take him up on his demand.

    You can always betray him later, or explain to people that that was the price of getting the interview.

    The idea of betraying him better amuses me, so if it were up to me, that’s what I’d do.

    1. He can’t do that until he has a master’s from Columbia.

    2. Could start with something like:

      “‘Nigger’ is generally seen as one of the more offensive words in contemporary American English. So I was puzzled and somewhat fascinated when this obnoxious dickhead made starting this article with the n-word a condition of his giving the interview that follows.

      1. Robby has to think of the magazines appeal to the general public. Most of us here would brush it off, but imagine how most other people would react. Reason would become a household name over night and not for a good reason.

        1. and not for good reason.

          *puts in earpiece*
          Judges, can I get a ruling?

          DRINK!

          1. I will in 1/2 an hour. Just got off work.

        2. How can we solicit a better breed of trolls if the editors play it safe?

        3. I figured having it in quotes and making the reason clear right up front would take care of the “look at the racist libertarians” angle. Maybe I am giving people too much credit.

          1. Yeah, you are.

            1. Well, I try to be a charitable person.

    3. I’m thinking of the fun ways to start such an article:

      Nigger let me interview him.
      “Nigger” be the only insult this guy don’t use.
      “Nigger” was in the 1st sentence that came from his mouth.
      Nigger Jim was fictional; wish this guy was too.

  9. “He was not banned because of what he said but because of a series of disruptive behaviors,” Savery told Reason.

    I’m gonna need a little more meat on that bone. What were these behaviors?

    We all know there are plenty of proggy profs who regard disagreeing with the Narrative as a “disruptive behavior”. Maybe this prof isn’t one of those, but if your next question wasn’t “Such as?”, Robby, you need to be thrown back into the intern pool.

    1. Agree with you.

      If it was discruptive behavior then the professor should have mentioned it in his e-mail. Instead he went on about the guy talking too much about men being unfairly charged with rape and misleading statistics.

      1. Maybe, but the behavior attributed to the student in this article seems to me to make it likelier that the student went to class in an effort to get banned and become a martyr. The Left does this often enough, so now we have an example from the Right?

        Or do we?

        I want some more background on this nitwit.

        1. Agreed and the professor should provide those details since he is the one who kicked the guy out. A guy who I assume paid to be in the class and the college accepted the money.

          Youtube vidoes with the professor claiming he is for the first amendment do not impress me since the first amendment has nothing to do with priviate colleges though if federal dollars are involved there might be some connection.

        2. the behavior attributed to the student in this article

          Help me out: what behavior is that? All I see is this:

          things you have said in our conference have made them so upset that they have difficulty concentrating in other classes

          So, not disruptive behavior. Unwelcome speech. And note that there is no indication that he was speaking disruptively. Just, his opinions made some of the other delicate wallflowers so upset that they just can’t function.

          I dunno, Robby. I’m seeing a heckler’s veto here, enforced by the prof. Unless there’s more to this.

          1. Saying something like, “It’s a good thing you got raped. Maybe you should be raped again. I bet you liked being raped,” would be unwelcome speech.

            It’s not threatening, but it’s certainly disruptive, and doesn’t add to the debate.

    2. I’m gonna need a little more meat on that bone. What were these behaviors?

      We all know there are plenty of proggy profs who regard disagreeing with the Narrative as a “disruptive behavior”.

      This… i’m in a class right now where a classmate was told to “stop talking or you’re probably not fit for this class.” All this simply because he tends to be long winded and was questioning the professor’s assumptions.

      1. This is why they have anonymous teacher-reviews online, and why students can complain to the administration.

        Despite all the subsidies, schools *do* still have some vague conception that students are ‘paying customers’, and will adapt when kids complain and then insist on transfers and make a stink about how much their professors suck. Seriously. Bad reputations can kill a school’s appeal.

  10. The great thing about being a libertarian is that you get to stick up for the rights of people that no one in their right mind would stick up for otherwise.

    Next time, Robby, maybe you could do a post about a dog-fucker?

    1. Ken, if you want Robby to do a post about you, just ask him. Geez.

      1. But do they call him Ken the bridge-builder?

        1. Noooooooooo!

      2. I said I volunteered for dog rescue in the past–but I’m not a transhumanist.

        Sheesh.

    2. I’m sure Richman has probably written a glowing article about Yasser Arafat…

      Goat, dog, close enough…

      1. Rumor has it that Arafat liked young boys and died of AIDS.

        1. Young kids, not boys.

  11. Savery is known for being an ardent defender of free speech…

    He’s tilting at windmills.

  12. This kid sounds like a troll who proudly will boast of his accomplishments under his preferred internet bridge.

  13. Jeremiah True is an awesome, and very American, name. His request is a bit immature but I think he just wanted to vet you (Robbie) to make sure you weren’t on team PC.

    1. Jeremiah True is an awesome, and very American, name. His request is a bit immature but I think he just wanted to vet you (Robbie) to make sure you weren’t on team PC.

      I’m skeptical that any reputable organization’s reporters would accede to such a crazy demand. Is it really that hard to believe the guy might be just as much of an asshole and an instigator as all of his actions in this story thus far have indicated him to be?

      1. No reputable reporter would, but the kid’s stupid demand is so far outside the bounds of acceptable behavior that I think Robby would have been justified in lying to him to get the interview. Assuming Robby had any interest in hearing whatever crazy gibberish the kid wanted to spew.

        1. “I think Robby would have been justified in lying to him to get the interview.”

          No, Rico Suave should have done what he actually did – refuse the demand and explain the interaction in his article.

          1. I mean, reporters already have a bad rep, if they start lying to sources they wil become even less popular, and I shudder to think what that would entail.

            1. “If” they start lying to sources?

      2. “””the guy might be just as much of an asshole and an instigator as all of his actions in this story thus far have indicated him to be?”””

        All what actions?

        Talking about men being falsely accused of rape?

        Taking about the misuse of rape statistics?

        Or is it all based on saying the word nigger with no proof that it was said in the classroom?

        1. Talking about men being falsely accused of rape?

          Taking about the misuse of rape statistics?

          Or is it all based on saying the word nigger with no proof that it was said in the classroom?

          I’ll admit I’m being purely speculative, but I highly doubt simply *having an opinion* is what got the guy kicked out of class. If he was bringing it up repeatedly and in inappropriate contexts, also known as “being an asshole about it”, that could be enough of a disruption to the class to warrant kicking him out.

          Note that his opinions on these subjects may actually be correct, but that in no way precludes him from being an asshole.

          And considering he forfeited a chance to set the record straight and explain his side of the story in detail in favor of acting like even more of an asshole makes me less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

          If only there was someone out there who would give poor Jeremiah True the chance to tell *his* side of the sotry…

          1. Maybe he wants his lawyers to tell his story when he sues?

            Personnely I would not trust reporters showing up at my door. First thing I would do is to record every bit of conversation and put it on the internet before the reporter could write his story.

            1. Also the author should publish all the e-mails between himself and both the professor and student. This is after all the age of the internet and there is really no space or memory restrictions.

              It would be interesting to see exactly what everyone said. Is there more claims by the professor of any disruption to the classroom

              Did the author make any claims that he or Reason mag was a free speech area if so that might explain the student testing them with the demand that Reason publish the word nigger.

            2. Personnely I would not trust reporters showing up at my door. First thing I would do is to record every bit of conversation and put it on the internet before the reporter could write his story.

              +1 Cliven Bundy

      3. I’m skeptical that any reputable organization’s reporters would accede to such a crazy demand.

        “Reputable organization’s reporters” is an oxymoron.

        Sound to me like the kid figured out a creative way to blow off nosy journalists. Good on him.

        1. Sounds to me like the kid’s an idiot and a scumbag who might be in the right anyway but shouldn’t be applauded for being a shitheel.

    2. I kind of like the way he rolls.

      But he may be a SJW who is just upset that women are stealing the black man’s grievance gig.

  14. The kid’s name is delightfully close to Everett True’s.

    1. Andrea True.

  15. So this was the guy who turned Prof. Savery into Prof. Bitter.

    1. Sweet!

  16. …and they have said that things you have said in our conference have made them so upset that they have difficulty concentrating in other classes.

    This country is truly fucked.
    Probly worse than most of us fear.

    1. There have always been pissy whiny losers. Most of us just laughed at them or ignored them. The only reason you hear about them now is that they’ve found each other on the internet and banded together to make their loser voice loud.

      They’re still pissy whiny losers.

      1. It’s not just that. It’s also that pissy whining has become a virtue, when it’s done to “fight oppression” or “sexism” or whatever.

    2. As I commented upstream, what if he said something like, “You probably liked being raped, and want more”?

      Free speech? Yes. Threatening? No. Major dick move that would piss off all the other students and make him unwelcome?

      You tell me.

  17. Trigger warning:

    Come on Robby, you’re among friends here…or at least insensitive assholes

    1. That’s why he used the word ‘trigger’ rather than using the ‘the t-word’ euphemism. We all know what ‘the t-word’ means, but it’s not said amongst polite company. And you certainly don’t use ‘trigger’ as the very first word of an article.

      1. We say “tregroe” now.

        1. Traffickan-American?

          Wait no that could get confusing…

  18. It sounds like there are plenty of assholes to go around in this story. Since it’s Reed College, that’s not exactly a newsflash. I said it in the other thread, but if True wants to get his jollies by annoying SJWs, he could do that a lot on Gawker comment threads and avoid the private college tuition.

    1. Wouldn’t it be hilarious if it turned out this guy got into Reed due to affirmative action or some sort of diversity scholarship or something?

      1. Of course he did.

        He might also be a SJW himself, just on the skin color side and against the gender side.

  19. The entire conference without exception, men as well as women, feel that your presence makes them uncomfortable enough that they would rather not be there if you are there, and they have said that things you have said in our conference have made them so upset that they have difficulty concentrating in other classes.

    My bullshit detector is going crazy. I mean, I don’t doubt the mealy-mouth snowflakes told him this, but I calling bullshit on it actually happening.

    1. Yeah, they are probably just stoned or hung over.

      And if it really did happen, someone needs to tell them to toughen the fuck up and have a little self confidence. If college is supposed to be a place where ideas are challenged, you need to have the confidence to defend things you believe.

      1. College is absolutely not supposed to be a place where ideas are challenged. Not any more. They are for fleecing young, naive people of a fuckton of money while they are too young to understand what taking out $100,000+ in debt means. They are secondarily a place for a lot of people who can’t hack it in the market to continue to get a paycheck as a professor/teacher. They are thirdly a place for a lot of those professor/teachers to indoctrinate students with their personal idiocy and beliefs because the students are a captive audience.

        They might have once been a place for learning and challenging ideas. But the incentives are all wrong for that, and so what they are reflects the incentives, not the ideal.

        1. Hence the “if”. They still like to pretend that that is what college is supposed to be.

  20. Eh, no reason both can’t be true: the kid is a prick when he argues and enough students complained that the professor decided to ban him.

    1. That seems pretty likely.

  21. Honestly, while it sounds like True might be a first class asshole, his only offense here seems to have been his refusal to knuckle under to the SJW mob’s insistence that there’s a rape culture. And in that, I’ll say he’s probably right. So far, I’ve seen nothing in either this article or the BuzzFeed article that suggests he’s being banned for anything other than his opinions.

    Yes, True is an asshole. But, sometimes even assholes are right.

  22. I declined this ultimatum, and he declined to answer my questions.

    Thank you for being a man whose word means something to him, Robby.

  23. True story: when I in college in the late ’80s, I took a course on Latin American history and made the “mistake” of not referring to the Falklands as the Malvinas in class one day. The class was full of Che-loving leftards, and I only wish I’d managed to photograph the looks on their faces…it was priceless.

  24. Well, if anyone is going to give him a fair shake at Buzzfeed it will definitely be a former editor of Jezebel, home of evenhanded gender discussion on the Internet.

  25. He should be allowed to return to class and speak his mind as long as he watches this video on male privilege:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l7q71AimrA

    Warning: weapons grade derp & smug

    1. Is “Kilstein” a real Jewish name?

      1. According to his wiki bio, his dad is Jewish.

      2. So not of the Feynman or Friedman clan, but of the Finklestein and Goldstein one?

        I apologize to all Jews, the world over that, for that. Not.

    2. I got to the part where he said “white guy” and stopped.

      1. He really is insufferable, unless you have a hunger for derp. He is an all-you-can-eat buffet of derp.

        Amazingly, he is a modestly successful comedian- despite being more annoying and less talented than David Cross or even Sam Seder.

        1. I actually went back and tried for another 2 minutes beyond where i left off. I got the point pretty quick.

          These type of people really don’t “get it”.

          … it doesn’t seem to have dawned on anyone that “moral preening” in a series of video-lectures on how ‘everyone else in the world has “Problems”…..? IS NOT in fact the apex of human virtue. The pretense that ’20-something hipsters’ have somehow decoded the key to elevated social-morality? No one seems to be laughing at *that part*

          and its not even really intended for the ‘unwashed, non-Prog’-audience he pretends he’s speaking to.

          Its entirely designed for consumption by his fellow travelers who already agree with the programmed “here’s what’s wrong with your Gender/Race-Privilege” routine. He is cheered and awarded social-standing for the ability to chant the Prog liturgy with the appropriate snark and condescension. Any novel ways of quipping on the same basic scenarios/stereotypes will be adopted and copied and used.

          its just all so much endless patting one’s self on the back for thinking RightThoughts about Identity Politics. I’m not sure any of it has the slightest meaning for anyone outside of their social bubble. Least of all *actually disadvantaged people*.

          Nowhere in any of these people’s world is the “I’m a crippled black transexual, and Wow do I really appreciate the way these white people are fixing other white people’s pronoun problems”

  26. So, I am the only one who first read the profs name as Pancho Slavery?

    So I’m thinking that there’s this evil dude with a fortress high in the hills of Michoacan, full of lovely Latin slave girls, and the dude has just defeated El Diablo in a viscous turf war. But now, all American, but Amish boy, Jeremiah True comes to challenge Pancho Slavery and free the Latin maidens from his evil grasp.

    Pancho Slavery vs. Jeremiah True! Coming soon to the intertoobs near you!

    1. Don’t leave out the intrepid reporter, Kat Timpf.

    2. I did a double-take, too.

  27. Is anybody else having problems with the comments disappearing?

    1. Only the good ones.

    2. Yes. I found that switching to the full-sized/non-mobile version of the website stopped it.

      1. I’m using the full-sized version. Comments load, but if I try to scroll down, they immediately disappear. I can see the comments in Opera’s “User style” as opposed to “Author style”, but the threading is missing

        1. There’s something wrong with the mobile version for sure, and for me, the full size version was only marginally better on my smartphone using Chrome.

        2. I’m using the full-sized version.

          Are you sure? I thought I was too until I started hunting down the cause of the comments disappearing. Apparently they made the mobile-version the default.

    3. On my Android device I was having this same issue. I then discovered that there was an update to the Chrome app that I use. After updating, the comments now appear as they should.

      Btw, I enjoy reading your blog, Ted. Thank you.

    4. Is anybody else having problems with the comments disappearing?

      Yeah.

      Unless it’s on full screen, and refreshed, the comments seem to move to always below where you are.

  28. If students can’t debate cultural issues and facts in a classroom discussion, what kind of education are they getting?

    A very telling one.

    1. I’m trying to figure out how much this campus pc bullshit is actually discouraging kids from going to college, or at least certain colleges? Because I know it would have made me rethink shit pretty severely when I went to college. And I’m pretty sure there were several colleges that I dismissed out of hand because of their reputation for loony behavior.

      A friend of mine went to Wesleyan (fucking wuss went to college 30 minutes from our town, how bold of him) and he transferred at the end of the year because the “activists” were fucking insane. His stories about what would go on were both funny and horrifying at the same time. After he transferred, I said to him “well what the fuck did you expect, it’s fucking Wesleyan”.

      1. I went to Wesleyan. And it is pretty much lie that.

        I found the obnoxious activism easy enough to ignore, and it didn’t overshadow the academics, at least in departments that I had anything to do. It is fucking odd, though, that a lot of people think pointless campus activism is what college is for.

        1. When were you there? He was there 90-91.

          There were definitely colleges who basically had a reputation that “this is where you go if you REALLY want to be an activist” with “activist” always meaning “left-wing nutcase”. Wesleyan was one of them, as was Berkeley. Another of my friends went to Reed (which he loved, unlike the other friend with Wesleyan) which sort of had that reputation but was more of a “this is for people who want to a really unusual school experience”.

          I went to Johns Hopkins, which had the exact opposite reputation. And at least back then, that reputation was accurate. The amount of campus activism was so pitiful that it was great.

          1. I started in 97.

            Wesleyan is an interesting case. It is definitely one of those schools that you are talking about. But it is also pretty strong school academically (at least in serious academic subjects) and has pretty good graduate programs in math, science and music and very good theater and film departments. So it was an interesting mix of intensely nerdy people working hard and insane lefty activists. And I found it pretty amusing. My favorite was the Queer Alliance “chalkings” day where they would decorate the campus sidewalks with all kinds of rude and in-your-face gay sex related slogans. And I had an amusing argument once with someone who was extremely offended that the school paper would have the nerve to put a hyphen in “Asian-American”.

  29. “Before I interview with you, you must agree to make “nigger” be the first word in your article.”

    Possible “Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions“-retorts =

    – (pregnant pause, sound of notebook being flipped to blank page). “….and how do you spell that?”
    – “What an amazing coincidence! – *it ALREADY IS!?*”
    – “Are you planning to rap your way through the whole interview?”
    – “Ok, as long as you don’t mind me referring to you as “The Douchebag Student” instead of your actual name”

    1. Is pregnant pause a thing?

        1. Thanks. I learned something.

    2. GILMORE,

      I have those Al Jaffee paperbacks in cardboard boxes labeled “Canadian Mist” (my dear mom’s favorite drink) in my garage. With Don Martin’s paperbacks too. I have kept little else over the years.

  30. I think the kid is the one getting the last laugh on Robby. While he may not have gotten Robby to make it the first word, he did manage to bait him into putting in the story. My guess is that if the kid is reading this, he’s laughing his balls off. He may not have gotten the first word, but he sure got the last one.

    1. If it’s a joke, it’s a stupid one. Think he’ll be laughing the next time a prospective employer googles his name?

    2. Mr. True will be unemployable by the USG, state and local government agencies, and PC-sensitive corporations for the foreseeable future. But he doesn’t have the “invisible backpack” of being White with which youthful indiscretions could be overlooked.

  31. Of course this happened at Reed, the only true redoubt of Trotsky in the Western World.

    Prof Savery eh? What the ‘l?

  32. Before I interview with you, you must agree to make “nigger” be the first word in your article.

    Wow. This guy sounds like a gigantic piece of shit. Yeah, I’m not inclined to believe his story.

    1. Nigger…. < there. That’s the full-on of what Jeremiah True asked. A journalist should never take directives from his subjects, but these days ‘nigger’ seems to be a word that mostly insults the sensibilities of white journalists who are trying to figure out how the $150,000 their parents spent on a college education paid off..

      1. “A journalist should never take directives from his subjects”

        Snort. Everything is vetted now.

  33. These issues can’t always be addressed by national media. I can’t form an informed opinion about the appropriateness of the student’s behavior without knowing more about what he did and the context than I can ever see finding out.

    If a professor says that 1 in 5 women on college campuses are raped in a purely academic context, you not only should be allowed to question the statistic, but you should (politely but firmly) do so. If a rape victim is sobbing about her experience and says “It happens far too often! Like, to 1 in 5 college women!” you might want to find a way to gently correct the statistic for the sake of accuracy, but you should know not to jump down her throat over it.

    I’m a proponent of open debate, but when I was a college student I had to ask someone to leave an event that I had organized. Not because the content that he was addressing was out of line for every context, but because it wasn’t appropriate for the specific event, and because his wording was rude, his tone irritating, his body language hostile, etc. In many other settings, I would have supported letting him continue, and with a different communication style, I might have in that setting. But I was a dedicated opponent of the PC police, and most of the other people there were, too, and there was no doubt to any of us that his behavior out of line. That wouldn’t have stopped someone from claiming that I was “caving” to or being hypersensitive about the group of people that he was attacking.

  34. Second thought on the kid’s actions: he may be getting a lot of emails from journos. This is a good way to get rid of them. For good. No one’s going to wheedle with him, etc.

  35. These people do belong in an institution … just not one of higher education.

  36. What’s with referring to victims as “survivors” of sexual assault. Is sexual assault fatal?

  37. Sounds like True is an Anonymous troll.

  38. It’s really scary to see how many of you see Robby’s refusal to get the victims’ side as a bold stance.

    Worse, it’s sad that Robby think’s he’s done something noble.

    The professor cited no ‘behaviors’ other than speech. THAT should have raised a red flag.

    The victim demanded an action that SJW attack journos would not accede to. THAT should have raised a red flag.

    Instead, we get a celebration of the abandonment of free speech and inquiry masquerading as advocacy for it.

    Robby, if you can’t get the side of the victim in a story about the victim maybe you shouldn’t be writing the story.

  39. If that was his email, then he appears to be outside of even what society would consider polite speech.

    So either he was an immature person who both challenged false statistics and was very indelicate about it, and potentially peevish, or someone has hijacked his email to make the professors point.

    Occams Razor says, I’d give this guy very little benefit of the doubt, as email hijacking is not common.

  40. I went to Reed, and went on to lead seminars and all kinds of discussions as a professor. Two simple points here:

    (1) Normal procedure would be to talk with a disruptive student outside of class, not issue a written prohibition on attendance after one session that results in objections from fellow students.

    (2) Savery’s note to True does not cite disruptive behavior at all. It cites only his opinions about campus rape, and his peers’ responses to those opinions.

    On both of these grounds, the issue deserves more research. You should go back to True, and see if he has changed his mind about talking with you. He needs to be confident that you won’t publish something that will make his situation on campus worse than it already is. It’s a small school.

    Thanks for this article. Your work on campus issues like rape and free speech is excellent.

    And, I have hoped that Reed is different from other schools on these matters. Right now, it doesn’t seem so.

  41. Maybe take a look at this.

    Jeremiah True Petition (Link opens in new window)

    1. That’s a pretty well-written explanation, including links to data.

      He seemed to bend over backward to be polite about his position.

      Interestig

  42. This was an abomination, but also the inevitable outcome of a “rape culture” mythology which puts women’s subjective experience, distorted by demonstrably false statistics and ideological distortions, above objective fact, science, common sense and gender equity and justice.

    For an in-depth expose of the evolution of universities from institutions of higher learning into witch-hunt tribunals for the “rape culture” advocates, see: New Puritanism ? New Paternalism: The “Rape Culture” Narrative Demeans Women, Demonizes Men, and Turns Universities into Witch Hunt Tribunals

    The deprivation of basic constitutional rights for men and their attempts to fight back are addressed in: The Pendulum Reverses ? Again: The Betrayal of Liberty on America’s Campuses & Men Strike Back against Title IX Tribunals

  43. I think you should’ve met his condition, made “nigger” the first word, then explained why.

    I’m of a mixed mind on this one. Yes, imagine. Here on the Internet, someone admits to having mixed feelings rather than a pure opinion. To wit:

    1. Strongly on his side on the merits of the whole “rape culture” debate.

    2. Highly skeptical of his professor, and the defenders of the college, who cited the student’s alleged rudeness only AFTER he made an issue of being banned. This is so reminiscent of the various lefty and wingnut websites where “etiquette” is differentially enforced depending on which tribe you’re in.

    So where’s the mixed in my mixed feelings?

    3. Reed has the right to do this if they want. Their college, their rules. True, they’re no more committed to free speech or academic freedom than Liberty University, but they do have the right to be puritanical progressives.

    4. The student has written some other stuff (sorry, I don’t have a link, damn it) that makes me question his mental stability. Now, it might be a matter of “first they drive you crazy, then they call you crazy.” But the guy has compared himself to Christ and has written about potential martyrdom.

    I really want to go balls to the wall on this guy’s behalf, but #4 makes me hesitate.

    4.

    1. I don’t think one should weigh the issue with True too heavily. If you really care about Savery, you can find out about him in his own words (e.g., here). He seems to be the typical modern day intellectual liberal who thinks that if you can speak well and you care, you’ve done your job and you’re a brilliant scholar.

      It’s not clear why one would get upset about this: professors like him are a dime a dozen and produce vast numbers of graduates every year. Worrying about one of them is pointless; the real question is how we can get more people to reject that kind of superficial intellectual fluff.

  44. So basically the campus feminists called him uppity, he points that out by challenging your commitment to free speech with a taboo word, and now you’re skeptical. Read his letter and you can see he’s refuted the feminists with evidence and they just keeping throwing the same garbage advocacy ‘research’ at him rather than engage. This young man is bravely challenging the rabid anti-male campus nonsense. Let’s remember where this slackness about false accusations of rape leads http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…..eath.html. You should support him.

  45. Just based on his email reply, this guy is a troll. He might be right about everything he said in class, but requiring a news article writer to put “nigger” at the beginning of the article just means the guy’s not interested in telling his side of the story and just wants to troll.

    1. Just based on his email reply, this guy is a troll. He might be right about everything he said in class, but requiring a news article writer to put “nigger” at the beginning of the article just means the guy’s not interested in telling his side of the story and just wants to troll.

      He’s only a freshman, and here he is, being sophomoric. Expel him!

    2. Just based on his email reply, this guy is a troll.

      Perhaps. Or perhaps the student himself had been abused by newspapers and trolls and was just frustrated. He may also be worried about other sanctions against him from the university.

      In any case, it’s the job of professors to deal with difficult students, in particular in soft courses like “Humanities 101”.

      Furthermore, based on all the other information about Savery, he makes the impression of someone who is quick to censor people who have views that contradict his own.

  46. since my comment was still “waiting for moderator review” on the REED “independent” news website, Ill just go ahead and post it here too:

    DISSENT IS NOT PERMITTED.

    CLICK-CLACK, TIP-TAP, go the boots at Reed,
    As the fascists goose-step along,
    Just as brainwashed and happy as can be.

    BEHOLD THE WONDROUS IDEOLOGICAL LOCKSTEP THAT LIES BEFORE YOU!
    THE SKY IS NOT THE LIMIT – YOUR IMAGINATION SHALL BE LIMITED!

    NOBODY has a single original thought, differing view, or critical opinion;
    NOBODY will reveal any differing political views held, whisper even a politically incorrect word,
    EVERYONE is scared to speak freely, since anyone who deos suffers unwarranted social ostricisation and the angry heel of the iron boot;
    NOBODY must (or even cares to) grapple with the fact that some of their ideas are factually incorrect, imoral, unconstitutional, not logical, delusional, impractical, or just damm loony.
    Instead, EVERYONE marches happily along knowing all their ideas are the best ideas ever in the whole goddamn world, since everyone around them believes all the same crap. Certainly, it’s great that it’s not permissible to waste any time on being open to anything else, since prevents anyone from being offended, having their poor little feelings hurt, or getting “triggered” (seriously? you goddamn whiners)

    PART 1 of 2

    1. PART 2 of 2

      The majority never learns to think in a critical, useful way, or question or analyze anything.
      Those who are in the minorities with good ideas are denied the support theyd need to make a real difference.
      Those with truly twisted, insidious ideologies are rarely revealed to the world and dealt with as necessary.
      Mr. True is one of the opressed minority with good ideas who isn’t being heard.

      If REED UNIVERSITY continues to act in this SHAMEFUL, DISHONORABLE way, then demonstrably harmful ideologies will be allowed to fester indefinitely, untreated, in many individuals in the REED community. If for no other reason than this, you must promote free speech instead of squashing it with a steely boot of censorship.

      NOBODY EVER LEARNS ANYTHING UNIQUE OR INSIGHTFUL OR HAS THEIR VIEWS CHALLANGED,
      NOBODY’S IDEOLOGY EVOLVES IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION, BUT INSTEAD IT IS CEMENTED IN A FASCIST, FUCKED UP WAY,
      AND ANYONE WHO ATTEMPTS TO FREELY SPEAK WHAT THEY HAVE THE NATURAL RIGHT TO IS VICIOUSLY SHAMED, SHUNNED, AND ATTACKED.

      Who will be the builders, the leaders, the movers and shakers, the changers of this young, naive, supposedly edjucated generation?
      AT THIS RATE, THEY CERTAINLY WON’T COME FROM REED.

      CENSORSHIP AND FASCISM WILL ALWAYS CRUMBLE TO DUST, IN THE END.
      FREE SPEECH SHALL OVERCOME.
      NEVER GIVE UP THE GOOD FIGHT.

      YOURS TRULY,
      ? FRANK MILLER, WWII VET, PRIVATE 1ST CLASS, 1ST INFANTRY

  47. NOBODY will ever learn anything unique or insightful at REED, and NOTHING will be said that could cause a positive evolution of ideology IN ANYONE.

  48. Apparently, censorship of dissident perspectives is de rigueur at Reed. The student newspaper, “The Quest – The Free Press of Reed College”, has removed every comment I posted to their story on this incident, apparently because I defended True’s free speech rights and castigated the professor for excluding inconvenient truths and uncomfortable topics of discussion.

    1. Robert, your comments are there. Must have been a glitch. Your computer or theirs, who knows? But your comments are visible there, because I just saw ’em.

      1. Yes they are. A cookie placed on my computer by the ReedQuest website prevented my own comments from showing up on the screen every time I went to their site.

        Once I removed their cookie, my comments re-appeared.

        If this was a “glitch” it was from their end and is very bizarre. No other website does that.

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  50. For the history of the shift of the Women’s Rights Movement from an egalitarian to a totalitarian one, see: When Progressive Social Change Becomes Regressive Ideology: From Women’s Liberation to Cultural Misandry

    For the backstory on the way the meme of “rape culture” was created from misandric feminist ideology and eventually insinuated into almost every facet of US society, including nearly every media story on the “epidemic” of campus sexual assault, see: All Sex is Rape ? All Men are Rapists: Patriarchy = Rape Culture

  51. For an in-depth expose of the evolution of universities from institutions of higher learning into witch-hunt tribunals for the “rape culture” advocates, see: New Puritanism ? New Paternalism: The “Rape Culture” Narrative Demeans Women, Demonizes Men, and Turns Universities into Witch Hunt Tribunals

    The deprivation of basic constitutional rights for men and their attempts to fight back are addressed in: The Pendulum Reverses ? Again: The Betrayal of Liberty on America’s Campuses & Men Strike Back against Title IX Tribunals

  52. The “difficult ideas” Savery wants to debate and see more of in libraries are likely critical race theory and neo-Marxism, not free markets, liberty, and data that contradict his views. It’s no wonder Savery worships Plato, advocate of “philospher-kings” and proto-fascist and advocate of totalitarianism that he was.

    1. I see that you flunked philosophy 101.

  53. For the back story on the banning of Reed College student Jeremiah True from a discussion section of his required freshman humanities course and why it could and should have turned out differently, see: Illiberalism & Hypocrisy on America’s Campuses

  54. That is definitely an odd request! Does that image depict the student in question?

    I looked up Humanities 110 at Reed College and I have to wonder what campus rape statistics have to do with this class: The Hellenistic Period and the Rise of Roman Empire.

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