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Iran Nuke Deal Inches Closer, Netanyahu Fearmongering About Imminent Iranian Nukes Revealed Fraudulent

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Associated Press has some potential good news from the seemingly eternal effort to achieve a diplomatic solution to the United States' objections to the idea of an Iranian nuclear program:

the U.S. and Iran reported progress Monday on a deal that would clamp down on Tehran's nuclear activities for at least 10 years but then slowly ease restrictions on programs that could be used to make atomic arms.

Officials said there were still obstacles to overcome before a March 31 deadline, and any deal will face harsh opposition in both countries….a comprehensive pact could ease 35 years of U.S-Iranian enmity — and seems within reach for the first time in more than a decade of negotiations.

"We made progress," U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said as he bade farewell to members of the American delegation at the table with Iran. More discussions between Iran and the six nations engaging it were set for next Monday, a senior U.S. official said.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said the sides found "a better understanding" at the negotiating table.

But, A.P. points out, Israel's Benjamin Netanhayu will be very unhappy about the idea of any such deal and is expected to speak out against any such rapprochement before the U.S. Congress next week.

But as the Guardian reports, Netanyahu's announced knowledge back in 2012 that Iran was just a year away from a nuclear weapon that could threaten his nation and the world was not true, and he, or at least his Mossad, knew it:

according to a top-secret Mossad document….part of a cache of hundreds of dossiers, files and cables from the world's major intelligence services – one of the biggest spy leaks in recent times.

Brandishing a cartoon of a bomb with a red line to illustrate his point, the Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.

But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel's intelligence agency concluded that Iran was "not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons". The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel's military and intelligence establishment.

History, and these reports, give U.S. citizens reasons to be skeptical and demand high standard of proof about alleged dire threats that require instant warfare to quash, whether from our own government or our allies.

Past writing by me on the very long-lasting war for and against a potential war with Iran over its nuclear program, from April 2014, February 2012August 2010, and all the way back in November 2006 and March 2004.

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  1. Call it what you want but “fear mongering” IMO would be a bad description.

    When the majority of the countries that border Israel have expressly declared their wish for Israel to be exterminated Netanyahu wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t take them seriously.

    1. Aside from total goofballs like the Iranians, Arab dictators want to get rid of Israel about as much as Republican politicians want to get rid of abortion or exterminators want to drive cockroaches to extinction.

      1. Iran is not an Arab country.

        1. Good catch. So we can delete that qualification.

        2. Arabs, Mexicans, whatever.

          1. Ass sex and drugs?

      2. So ’48, ’67, and ’73 never happened?

  2. Yeah, I remember when Madeleine Albright got North Korea to end its nuclear ambitions for a tank of gas.

    1. Ah yes, she was quite the honeydicker in her day. I imagine she also felt like a plastic bag drifting in the wind.

    2. I remember that, the “ass or grass nobody rides for free” treaty.

    3. Actually, it was a can of peaches, but yeah, same idea.

      1. It was the strawberries.

        1. Someone stole a cup of them.

  3. Well, it’s easy to call something “fear mongering” when you don’t happen to be neighbors with a country who has declared that it wants to wipe you off the face of the Earth and may soon get the means to do it.

    (Though with that said, I think Israel should handle it itself, rather than relying on us to do something).

    1. Well, it’s easy to call something “fear mongering” when you don’t happen to be neighbors with a country who has declared that it wants to wipe you off the face of the Earth and may soon get the means to do it.

      The Israelis speaking generally about the threat posed to Iran would not be fear-mongering. However, Netanyahu’s specific advocacy for action against Iran, based on the premise that they were only a year away from crafting a bomb, would fit the description, in light of this new evidence that he knew it wasn’t true.

    2. “when you don’t happen to be neighbors with a country who has declared that it wants to wipe you off the face of the Earth and may soon get the means to do it.”

      Change may soon get to already has and you could be talking about Israel regarding the Palestinians. Up until recently Likud held the position that that land the Palestinians are on was Israeli territory, end of story, and they were going to make that be the case. They didn’t say they were going to push its current occupants into the sea, but they were going to be moved.

    3. Please stop repeating that same quote as it was a false translation – the reference was to the government/Zionism and not the country and its people.

      On your other comment, totally agree and would add that it is well time for the US (and elephants in particular) to stop pretending Israel is our “friend” and instead think of our national interests first.

  4. So which happens first, Nuclear Iran or Cold Fusion – because I’ve been hearing both are just around the corner for about 30 years now. Heck we even had a video game for it back in 89 called Nuclear war featuring a character called Ayatollah Kookamamie.

    1. Global Warming apocalypse happens first, durr. You one of those anti-science wingnuts?

      1. The Chinese will build giant arks and save us all, no worries.

    2. Cold fusion isn’t real, so Iran first.

    3. The first time a technological feat is achieved is always more more difficult that doing it the tenth time. Especially when the tenth time is 70 years later.

  5. “Netanyahu Fearmongering About Imminent Iranian Nukes Revealed Fraudulent”

    Got to stir up the nest every now and then Brian, well done.

    1. Bo: I see Red people.
      DwT: In your dreams?
      [Bo shakes his head no]
      DwT: While you’re awake?
      [Bo nods]
      DwT: Red people like, on blogs? Having ungoodthinkful conversations?
      Bo: Walking around like regular people. They don’t see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don’t know they’re Red.
      DwT: How often do you see them?
      Bo: All the time. They’re everywhere.

      1. Wouldn’t that imply that Bo is a Red prison too, he just doesn’t know it?

        1. *person

      2. I laughed.

  6. The Obama administration is filled to the brim with liars and is utterly desperate for anything that could remotely be spun as a foreign policy success. The Iranian govt has basically never honored its agreements with respect to nuclear weapons. But somehow, on the say-so of these two eminently untrustworthy parties, we are expected to conclude that peace in our time is on the horizon. Sure.

    BTW, while Netanyahou may well have been exaggerating, nothing in that Mossad report contradicts what he said. It just says Iran wasn’t, at that time, able to build nukes. Nothing about a year later.

    1. I just woke up from my 40-year nap… didn’t Carter achieve peace in the middle east?

      1. In relative terms…. they had fought 3 recent wars at that point. Egypt and Jordan becoming de facto allies of Israel was a very big deal.

        1. Louis Gosset Jr. was a much more reasonable Egyptian leader, though.

          1. My favorite part was when Uncle Sam showed up at Israel’s workplace and carried it out.

        2. Egypt and Jordan becoming de facto allies of Israel was a very big deal.

          Not even the malevolent Obama has succeeded in throwing that away yet, though from what I hear he’s still trying like hell.

      2. Well, Carter is still president, so he must have.

  7. This was a major missed-opportunity for alt-text along the lines of,

    “Netanyahu Telethon Falls Short of Target”

    1. Dean Martin was a no-show.

        1. Wow. My favorite part after listening to that, remembering and checking it out.

          1990: “Can You See The Squids Standing In Front Of Bingo City?”

    2. This was a major missed-opportunity for alt-text along the lines of,

      “Netanyahu Telethon Falls Short of Target”

      Hmm.. this just in from Twitter: Nick Gillespie ?@nickgillespie 2m2 minutes ago
      Netanyahu getting really close to hitting United Way goal after speaking to US Congress

      1. BITCH BE BITING MY STYLE?!

        actually…the time stamp on his tweet is 6:25pm… so… great minds think alike i guess.

        Or – (as noted) that was such unbelievably low-hanging-fruit that it was really the easiest joke possible.

        I actually think it needs some minor editing to account for the ‘bomb’ shape of his pledge-target. I was uninspired, and nick’s isn’t much better.

        Come on, people. Think of the crippled children… and how without your help, the bomb we strapped to them will blow up at the stroke of midnight.

  8. The small government of the past?

    “The family of scientist Alan Turing delivered a petition to British officials on Monday calling for 49,000 men to be pardoned for ‘gross indecency’ convictions, AFP reports. Turing was charged in 1952 under the now-discarded law, which criminalized homosexual behavior, and the chemical castration he received as a result was followed by his apparent suicide a few years later.”

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the…..under.html

  9. A libertarian response to Jewish persecution: ease immigration restrictions

    “Americans have an obligation to answer this call. For one, as a superpower, the United States carries a certain moral authority. If we take a leadership role in protecting French Jewry, it will send a message to European countries that we do not have patience for their excuses about being unable to provide proper protection for their Jewish citizens.

    Furthermore, the United States must not make the same mistakes it has made in the past. Many Jews were denied entry into this country during the darkest days of World War II and were eventually murdered in Europe.”

    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/…..hould-open

      1. They didn’t let Jews into his schools and clubs, why should he let them into his country?

    1. +1
      I definitely like the the nonsensical mea culpa for the holocaust. At first I thought there was no way to fix the nonexistent ban on Jewish immigration without shitting on the thousands who fought for them in WW2. But you found a way.

      1. Bo is childlike in his histrionics, which should be expected of a child.

        At some point in his thirties he may get it, my guess is his forties or never,

    2. No, we don’t have an obligation to do anything. I’m tired of this idea that the United States somehow owes something to the rest of the world, apparently just because we exist. We might choose to allow European Jews resident status in the United States, but we certainly don’t owe it to them.

      I’m also really tired of anything that has to do with Jews or random nations invading their neighbors immediately getting an automatic Nazi/Hitler comparison. It is terrible that horrors happened in Europe seventy-five years ago, but that doesn’t obligate the United States to any course of action today.

      Finally, I’m really, really tired of this “moral authority” crap. A country that’s been torturing, lynching people of color, droning children, and arranging the deposing of democratically elected leaders of other nations doesn’t have any moral ground to stand on. Nor do we have any say in the domestic affairs of the French. Remember how angry everyone got over here when the French refused to go along with our Middle East strategy? Don’t you think the French would probably feel the same if we start telling them what to do?

      1. “A country that’s been torturing, lynching people of color, droning children, and arranging the deposing of democratically elected leaders of other nations doesn’t have any moral ground to stand on.”

        A country did none of that. The Federal Government did that. Don’t hang that shit on me.

  10. The Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.

    But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”.

    Both of these statements can be true at the same time.

    1. Yes, but one doesn’t know the truth without knowing both of them.

    2. I can think of only one reason for a politician to hide an inconvenient truth.

  11. Look, these Jews, they’re scary. They’ve practically taken over my neighborhood. They’re everywhere. They walk around, especially on Saturday ( I know there is some evil sinister meaning behind that ) and they wear all black, that’s right, black, even in the summer and at night! I am starting to fear for my life to go outside, and at the local grocery stores, they got this Kosher shit they’re trying to force feed to us. What is this kosher? No one really knows, but I know it’s an evil plot to mind control us from the hollow moon, where the Jew Kings are plotting their lizard race dominion.

    1. It’s the only pedestrian traffic you’ll see on Mercer Island all week.

    2. It always amuses me when right wingers talk about the evils of multiculturalism, of ethnic enclaves where people refuse to assimilate, and then when you bring up Hasidic neighborhoods they’re like ‘oh, I don’t mean THAT!’

      1. Yes, it’s weird. Almost as if it’s not the ethnic or racial aspect they are concerned with but the aspect that importing people with anti-liberty views who fill high crime neighborhoods. Nah, that couldn’t be it, let’s just call them racists.

      2. You know who else wanted to contain the Jews to a single neighborhood?

        1. Sammy Davis Jr?

          1. Sammy Davis Jr?

            1. Sammy Davis Jr?

              1. Tsar Nicholas, for pete’s sake!

        2. Sammy Davis Jr?

          1. That joke was funny the first three times.

            1. Was it?

              1. +3 times too many

              2. No?

        3. The Jews?

      3. Paul and Mr Anderson. The regulars have mounted a concerted effort not to give the troll above the attention it desperately needs.

        Your voluntary support in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

        Thanks for your consideration.

        1. That seems a little contrary to the spirit of libertarianism.

          1. Your voluntary support in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

            Asking for voluntary support is contrary to libertarianism? Who would have thunk it?

            1. Persistently nagging people to “voluntarily” participate in your boycott is contrary to the spirit of libertarianism.

          2. 8/10 would troll again

            1. recidivism, it hurts.

              1. +1 sockpuppet army

          3. That seems a little contrary to the spirit of libertarianism.

            Eliminating problems through voluntary action without using force isn’t libertarian?

            1. Every now and again, A LITTLE FORCE MIGHT BE WARRANTED.

              /not to shout, but my caps lock was erroneously struck and I’m lazy.

  12. Oh WTF Brian? What’s the point of that pic without the alt text? What’s it even doing there?

  13. Good work, everyone. Well. Most of you.

    1. What’re you saying?

      1. Somebody broke the emBOrgo.

        1. wareagle engaged him re: teachers unions and it took about three posts before it was down the rabbit hole!

          1. Today?

            I didn’t think BOtardation rose to the level where they would delete it…

            1. It wasn’t deleted; bo just answered once, ducked left for the second, to the right for the third, and…
              I got bored and went on to other things; busy day.

            2. Today? = Everyday?

            3. It should be kept around for comic relief.

              Bo pissing his pants is always amusing.

            4. It should be kept around for comic relief.

              Bo pissing his pants is always amusing.

        2. Bo and I are neighbors. If I want my lawnmower back… I kind of have to engage him.

          1. You moved to South Carolina???

            I thought you were going to have a pool party for us before you left!!!

          2. “I kind of have to engage him.”
            Just don’t let him pick the cake baker.

            1. Samuel Johnson said that puns were the lowest form of humor. He was mistaken. The fact is that puns aren’t humorous at all.

            2. Jus’ yankin’ your chain, btw…

              1. Chain?!? Racist!!!

          3. …”I kind of have to engage him.”…

            You have my sympathy.

    2. For you the dimensional plane

  14. Forgive me Warty, for I have sinned. It has been two hours since my last response.

    1. Says the snake.

  15. One wonders if someone isn’t whispering in John Kerry’s ear:
    “Pull this off, at least until Nov. 2016, and you’ll be the Sec. of State that belongs on the presidential ticket, not Hillary.”

  16. Jeez. I didn’t realize that Mormons hated Jews so much.

      1. Bo is Mormon, and he seems to “disagree” with Jews. As in hate their stupid faces

        1. Playa,
          Not sure Bo is ‘Mormon-anti-Semitic’, regardless of whether he was or is a practicing Mormon. He seems to be a pretty catholic asshole as far as I can tell; whatever POV he can use in some sophomoric claim of ‘smarts’ will do, even when the audience knows the stupidity of the claim.
          IOWs, I’m not willing to excuse the insufferable twit for having a particular religious bleef.

          1. That is my take, Bo is a progtard in sheeps clothing. And an idiot to boot.

  17. The narrative kind of falls apart under examination.

    Oops.

  18. All of the pissing and moaning about Iranian nukes seems pointless to me. There’s nothing the U.S. government can do about it. Yeah, the politicians can talk tough, but where’s a realistic plan?

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