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The Killer, the Reporter, and the Southern Poverty Law Center

Reporter interviews source about murderer, doesn't ask about murderer's apparent fondness for source's organization.

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Craig Hicks, the man who murdered three Muslims in North Carolina this week, had a Facebook page. One of the groups he liked on it is the Southern Poverty Law Center.

An AlterNet article about Hicks—reprinted today in both Raw Story and Salon—includes several long quotes from Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Guess what subject never comes up?

No, I don't think the SPLC deserves any blame for the crime. That would be ridiculous. But the SPLC itself has a long history of throwing around blame in precisely that ridiculous way, so it would have been nice to hear how Potok reacts when an event like this lands in his own backyard. Double standards deserve to be challenged, right?

By the way: While the AlterNet piece doesn't mention Hicks' apparent fondness for the SPLC, it does mention the fact that his Facebook likes lean liberal. But it dismisses this as unimportant, telling us the significant thing is that Hicks "appears to fit the psychological profile of violent extremists—regardless of their ideological stripes."

So it isn't ideology that's important but personality type? Apparently not: Having set ideology aside, the story smuggles it back in a little later:

Most [lone-wolf terrorists] were not young like the Boston Marathon bombers, but "were clustered most heavily between 30 and 49 years of age, although a surprising number were older than that," [an SPLC report] said. "This suggests that perpetrators spend many years on the radical right, absorbing extremist ideology, before finally acting out violently."

That summation strongly resembles Craig Stephen Hicks.

I can think of one way it doesn't.

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  1. No, I don’t think the SPLC deserves any blame for the crime.

    Everybody knows it were the NRA what done it.

    1. What did the Norwegian Radish Alliance do?

      1. What foul crimes are they not involved in!!!!

    2. What does the everyone blame the National Recovery Act?

  2. More than likely, the guy was a loser who took his frustration out on those around him. You can be a loser, regardless of political ideology.

    1. Take, for example, Lee Harvey Oswald. Though, I’ve been told by some that there’s a growing revisionism based on LHO actually being a right-winger.

      1. That was the case almost from the beginning – but I am not aware that all their red herrings were persuasive in getting attention away from his communist commitments.

        1. I should say “brown” herrings, because “red” suggests communism

      2. growing revisionism based on LHO actually being a right-winger

        I think it would be more accurate to say that there is a growing desperation on the part of many leftists and academics to portray LHO as a right-winger.

        Two bizarre examples of this argue that Oswald’s pro-Castro activities in NO were actually those of a CIA/FBI agent seeking to discredit left-wing organizations.

        1. Yeah, well, that’s the origin of all JFK conspiracy theories isn’t it?

          The American Left couldn’t accept that fallen prince had been killed by one of their own. It had to be a conspiracy on the right.

          1. True. Although, TBF, the 60s was also the decade of COINTELPRO, FBI subversion of domestic groups, CIA bringing down regimes. So, there was plenty of ammunition out there.

          2. If he’d finished out his term, maybe even served another, the “left” would not have considered JFK one of their own!

            1. It’s doubtful that he would have been re-elected.

          3. That pretty much sums it up.

            50 years of history, almost entirely composed of mindboggline attempts to denyh this fundamental fact.

            If nothing else, this proves that leftists are incapable of being rationally persuaded by factual evidence.

  3. Hicks “appears to fit the psychological profile of violent extremists

    No shit? What clued you in, Sherlock?

    1. More research is needed.

  4. Next up, we ask the Young Turks about the purported Armenian Genocide!

  5. Even subtracting out the reference to “radical right”, I just don’t see how marinating in radical ideologies follows ipso factofrom, or is even suggested in any way by, the age of the perp.

  6. “This suggests that perpetrators spend many years on the radical right, absorbing extremist ideology, before finally acting out violently.”

    The name “Kaczynski” comes to mind. What could be more Right Wing than targetting corporate bigwigs?

    1. Kaczynski spent too much time with his mind focused on geometric function theory. That’s enough to drive anyone crazy.

        1. When you can mentally manipulate multi-manifold space in your head, eventually, universities and airlines seem like dangers to society that must be stopped.

          1. Now that I think about it, I can’t really judge Kaczynski too harshly. For all I know, there is some geometric theorem which proves that corporations are super evil.

            If the equation balances, it would be hard to disagree with his thinking.

    2. This gives me an excuse to trot out this quiz that’s been kicking around for literally decades at this point: Al Gore or the Unabomber?

      Each quote… is either from Al Gore’s Book Earth in the Balance or from the Unabomber’s Manifesto.

      1. Oh. I was about to click on it, thinking it’d be a questionnaire to see which of the 2 better fit my personality type, but if it’s just to guess which wrote what, nah.

    3. “The name “Kaczynski” comes to mind. What could be more Right Wing than targetting corporate bigwigs?”

      ted kaczynski is actually an uber-reactionary. The only thing about him that was ever leftist was the means he chose to employ to achieve his goals. His philosophies are the furthest thing from leftist. Have you actually read his manifesto?

      1. I have.

        He’s an anarcho-primitivist. Based on the many bugaboos he laid out in his manifesto he’d find a very comfortable home on the fringe of the environmentalist or left-anarchist movements.

        BTW, progressivism is a reactionary movement.

  7. “So it isn’t ideology that’s important but personality type? Apparently not: Having set ideology aside, the story smuggles it back in a little later:”

    It’s not got MUCH spam in it!
    Proggies lie; that’s what they do.

    1. ^This. And project.

      Lefties never argue in good faith.

      I haven’t seen the shreeking liar lately. Has anyone asked him why the CEO of Staples is claiming that they are cutting worker’s hours to avoid Obumblecare since no one is cutting hours to avoid Obumblecare?

      1. Hey, they’re only taking an 8% cut!

    2. No inconvenient fact can disrupt the narrative anymore than any actual result can invalidate the good intention (and if there is anything to blame it must’ve been because of us evil fucking wreckers).

    3. Well, remember, everything bad in the world revolved around right wingers. Something bad happened, so therefore, right-winger must be behind it … somehow.

  8. “parking dispute” has joined “workplace violence” in the Master List of Euphemisms.

    1. Irony alert – we were told this would happen with the expansive issuance of shall-carry permits!

    2. Obviously this shows the need to force more people to give up their cars and take public transportation. I’m surprised the writer didn’t work in that angle.

  9. When will the SPLC get called on its guilt-by-association shtick?

    That short of shoddy reasoning could implicate the SPLC itself:

    “The Virginia man who pleaded guilty to an act of armed terrorism and assault with intent to kill in last year’s shooting attack at the conservative Family Research Council said he got the idea from the liberal-leaning Southern Poverty Law Center’s “hate map.””

    http://www.theblaze.com/storie…..wn-target/

    1. At the very least, perhaps the President can admonish atheists and far left organizations from “getting on their high horse” when the topic is violent extremism, right?

  10. Community-Organizer-in-Chief to the rescue!

    The decision by the administration to send Perez to California will be widely seen as a response to the calls for greater involvement from Washington.

    The Pacific Maritime Association, which handles labor negotiations for port managers, said this week that it is closing 29 West Coast ports that normally process 340 million tons of cargo from Feb. 12-16 due to allegedly unfair contract demands and work slowdowns that it says are being conducted by the dockworkers union.

    “What they’re doing amounts to a strike with pay, and we will reduce the extent to which we pay premium rates for such a strike,” PMA spokesman Wade Gates said in a statement.

    The dockworkers union has offered a starkly different take, arguing that managers are needlessly closing the West Coast ports “to divide us.”

    What are the odds the thumb of the State will fall on the union side of the scales?

    If those port operators could hire permanent replacements, the negotiation process could be streamlined significantly.

    1. That’s a big if – are there even enough fat, no-necked New Jersey guys named Guido, Tony, or Sal living in California to re-stock the docks?

      1. If you’re replacing people who aren’t working, you don’t have to be real good to do better than them.

  11. OT, but it’s about killers:

    One man was killed and three police officers were wounded today after gunmen stormed a building in Copenhagen, Denmark, where controversial Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks and his supporters had gathered, police and witnesses said.

    Vilks is said to be okay. Helle Merete Brix, the founder of the Lars Vilks Committee, told CNN that she and Vilks ended up in a storage room holding hands. The committee was created to support Vilks after his 2007 cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed angered many in the Muslim world.

    The attack comes just over a month after the massacre at the Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, which had come under fire for publishing cartoons of Mohammed.

    1. A completely random selection of victims to be sure.

    2. So, Sheldon, explain how this is a result of:

      (a) Danish foreign policy
      (b) US foreign policy
      (c) combination of a & b

      It was the birds! Next time, no birds.

      1. Needs moar JOOOOOOOZZZZZZZEEEEEEEEEE!!!1!

      2. I don’t see how these shooters are any different than Adam Lanza.

        Wait…

      3. It’s not a combination of any of those things.

        It’s typical of the threat level that “radical Islam” would pose absent our stupid foreign policy: a murder once in a while and three radicals going to jail for life.

        We can handle the tiny minority of Muslims who truly “hate us for our freedom” just fine. We start running into problems when we give them recruits who have a legitimate grudge.

  12. Violence and extremism are, by definition, characteristics of right-wingery. Your political or philosophical leanings have nothing to do with it, if you are violent or extreme you are a right-winger. It’s why Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are just as right-wing as Malcolm X and Che Guevara.

    1. Yes. In school we learned that conservativez are motivated by hate and fear, whilst communists are motivated by compassion and generosity, so it’s only *logical* to presume most/all murderers are conservatives, aside from the occasional lone wolf here and there… each being an aberration who is ‘most always a crypto-conservative anyway

      1. The sneaky part is how right-wingers insinuate themselves into the holy precincts of progressive (communist) government, in order to destroy it from within.

        But the true believers know better than to be fooled.

        1. Indeed. All that false-flag violence whenever there is an anti-globalization protest. The FBI must have the direct action network totally infiltrated, like COINTELPRO squared. It’s probably a good idea to stay far away from those people because they are all secretly FBI agents. Including everyone in ELF too.
          False flags, all of them.

          1. Sorry the Alternet has infected the aura of this thread, and some of it got in my brain and mind-controlled me.

            1. Tin foil, yo. You gotta use real tin foil, though, none of that candy-assed aluminum shit.

  13. So partisan retards will blame the other TEAM when they can for anything bad that happens, but suddenly become blind to TEAM and ideology when the same can be done to them. Shocking, I’ve never seen this before. It’s not like this is Partisan 101 or anything.

    1. No honestly dude, it is raining on your shoes.

  14. From the Kacynski Wiki:

    Some anarcho-primitivist authors, such as John Zerzan and John Moore, have come to his defense, while also holding some reservations about his actions and ideas.[11][12][13]

    Oh, come on, boys. You’ll never get a tasty omelette without breaking the eggs!

    1. Did they…did they gambol across field and plain?

      TOO SOON

  15. ” ulfur ? 2 hours ago

    This story exposes some of the worse aspects of America society.
    1. This angry white man would have been killed by the police decades ago if he were black, waving guns at innocent neighbors.
    2. The only winner here is the NRA. No matter the out come, this event will help drive guns and ammo sales to more fearful and angry white men, at inflated prices.
    3. The most segregated time of the week is Sunday morning*.
    4. A lot of white men in particular, in the age range of 30 to 49, suffer from the cognative dissonance caused by the fear of losing the white male privilege they claim does not exist.

    5. We have a white male culture of violence that most white folks deny exists, even when we have proof every day. Just look at all those folks threatening 2nd Amendment solutions to what frustrates them. Remember the thousands of armed men that defended the Bundy ranch. If a thousand armed black folks showed up anywhere, the National Guard would have been called out.

    The country was born in white violence and racism and we have been working on becoming “a more perfect union ever since”.

    1. I was going to say, re: the link

      ‘KULTURAL OPPROPRIATIONS?!’

    2. “The Whites are our misfortune!”

      Tell us again how the whites drink the blood of nonwhite children and make the childrens’ tender flesh into slices of Wonderbread.

      1. Dammit, now I’m hungry.

      2. The Whites are our misfortune!

        What have the whites ever done for us!?

    3. The most segregated time of the week is Sunday morning*.

      That has as much or more to do with the black side of things than the white side.

      1. When a black person feels uncomfortable in a predominantly white church, that’s racism.

        When a white person feels uncomfortable in a predominantly black church, that’s multiculturalism.

        1. +1

          Multiculturalism, and social justice.

      2. I think in that person’s damaged brain, “Jesus is teh Segragationists”!! because white people and black people go to different churches to worship the same god

        In all this perpetual prog-liberal bemoaning the Racisms of The Whitey*…

        (*which they never really bother to explain how they themselves escaped their predetermined-racist-privilege)

        …there is hardly ever any actual reflection on the fact that “The United Colors of Benetton”-Ideal that they seem to think Progtopia brings about… doesn’t actually exist at all.

        Worse = Black people hate their bullshit.

        1. I think it all depends on the church, and on the specific congregation.

          I know a Catholic congregation where there’s plenty of brown and yellow people – including Africa-Americans (including the head of the choir). And this in spite of the largely lame, SWPL-oriented music.

          I know another Catholic congregation where one of the white couples brings their adopted African-American children.

          I’ve even been to *Protestant* congregations where the races mixed promiscuously.

          So we need to be specific in our critiques.

          1. “Catholic!?? THOSE PEOPLE ARENT ‘WHITE’!”

            jk

            relax ed. Yes, pentacosalists are more multi-racial than an 80s after-school-special. And boy are they a hoot.

            I was simply trying to translate the thinking of the prog on why “sunday” is the most-racist of all Days.

          2. And this in spite of the largely lame, SWPL-oriented music.

            Marty Haugen is going to burn in hell.

            I remember when I visited my relatives in Germany and I had to go to Mass on Sunday because my dad’s cousin was a devout Catholic. I was (pleasantly) surprised when they didn’t do the “spread your germs by offering some sign of Christ’s pease” thing.

            1. Ah, Marty Haugen, bless your heart, please stay away from anything music-related.

            2. I would start attending church again if they used Faith +1 music.

            3. ” I was (pleasantly) surprised when they didn’t do the “spread your germs by offering some sign of Christ’s pease” thing.”

              What?!

              If you don’t shake hands with at least 3 strangers at Mass, it aint Mass.

              Anything less would be uncivilized

              1. h/t to Charles Barkley, Right Guard

                1. Allow me to recommend a Byzantine Catholic service:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3zurm-jcVU

                    1. My ideal of “mass” is Roman Catholic, with the introductory and concluding rites entirely in Latin, punctuated by gut-rumbling bass notes from a gigantic Wulitzer organ, and the liturgy in between being *heavy duty depressing serious and over-long* that just makes you want to get it over with and go get drunk.

                      The only parts I actually cared for were the ‘physical’ routines of ‘cross self’, kneel, stand, kneel, stand, shake hands, cross self, go eat cracker, kneel, stand, and exit stage left*.

                      (apologies if the sequence here is hopelessly muddled. I never said i was *good at it*)

                    2. I didn’t realize you were Irish.

                    3. What, the name isn’t a give-away?

                    4. I always thought you picked that moniker because you are an Adam Sandler fan.

                    5. ” because you are an Adam Sandler fan.”

                      That’s the worst thing anyone has ever said about me.

                    6. I might actually go to church again if I could find one with a bad-ass pipe organ and an excellent choir.

                    7. Less talk, more rock:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB6bPQGfQ5g

                      et. seq.

                      Less talk? The only spoken parts are the lesson, the Prayers Before Holy Communion (“I believe and confess, Lord, that You are truly the Christ?”), and the announcements.

                      Even though St Mary’s is Ruthenian, there are quite a few Hispanics and blacks there.

      3. “That has as much or more to do with the black side of things than the white side.”

        I’m not really sure how you can make this argument. Religious congregation segregation today is a legacy of the establishment of separate black churches long ago, which was a result of discrimination by the pre-existing white churches and their congregations.

        1. No, religious congregation degradation today by and large isn’t the result of discrimination by white denominations a hundred years ago, unless you’re talking about COGIC which was the black denomination founded when the Assemblies of God wouldn’t let blacks in, but now is the black leaders frowning upon whites joining their fellowship. No predominately white church is enforcing segregation or going out of its way to make minority worshippers uncomfortable. Most blacks that don’t attend white churches do so either because they themselves are uncomfortable in those environments or because they are seeking a cultural expression more suited to their tastes.

          1. “No, religious congregation degradation today by and large isn’t the result of discrimination by white denominations a hundred years ago,”

            A hundred?

            “No predominately white church is enforcing segregation or going out of its way to make minority worshippers uncomfortable.”

            I didn’t say they were.

            “Most blacks that don’t attend white churches do so either because they themselves are uncomfortable in those environments or because they are seeking a cultural expression more suited to their tastes.”

            And how does that contradict what I said? I said that present-day segregation is a LEGACY of the establishment of separate black churches. It’s not surprising that these churches continued after most white churches became accepting, as they developed different religious and cultural traditions since they’ve been in existence.

            1. And how does that contradict what I said? I said that present-day segregation is a LEGACY of the establishment of separate black churches.

              Except it’s not. There isn’t a predominantly white church today that isn’t far out of the mainstream that doesn’t throw it’s doors open to people of all ethnicities. That is a FACT I can attest to from my experience as a black Christian who has attended both black and white churches and aspires to plant a multi-ethnic congregation of my own.

              They developed different religious and cultural traditions since they’ve been in existence.

              This is the real culprit, and it world have occurred whether there was enforced segregation or not. The fact is black puerile and white puerile have different tastes in cultural expression of worship; you’re not going to find a while lot of blacks that feel ushered into the presence of God by Hillsong and ditto worth whites and 21 member praise choirs.

              1. *people Damn Swype

              2. “Except it’s not. There isn’t a predominantly white church today that isn’t far out of the mainstream that doesn’t throw it’s doors open to people of all ethnicities. That is a FACT I can attest to from my experience as a black Christian who has attended both black and white churches and aspires to plant a multi-ethnic congregation of my own.”

                Do you know what the word “legacy” means? I have not once said in this entire exchange that modern white churches are unaccepting of black people and yet you’ve repeatedly accused me of suggesting or stating that.

                “This is the real culprit, and it world have occurred whether there was enforced segregation or not. The fact is black puerile and white puerile have different tastes in cultural expression of worship; you’re not going to find a while lot of blacks that feel ushered into the presence of God by Hillsong and ditto worth whites and 21 member praise choirs.”

                Do you think these cultural traits are somehow inherent and not a result of history? Do you think black people and white people are genetically coded to like particular types of religious services? If you do agree that they’re not inherent, I don’t see how you can dismiss the importance things like slavery, segregation, and racial discrimination had on the development of these cultural differences.

                1. Do you think these cultural traits are somehow inherent and not a result of history? Do you think black people and white people are genetically coded to like particular types of religious services?

                  It’s either oppression, or genetics. Got it. Nothing to do with black religious expression being rooted in cultural traditions that stretch back to Africa. No if not for segregation a long time ago all of the blacks would have just assimilated already and adopted the dominant cultural modes, I guess?

                  1. “Got it. Nothing to do with black religious expression being rooted in cultural traditions that stretch back to Africa.”

                    I never said that had nothing to do with it, but it’s quite relevant to point out that very few Africans brought over as slaves were Christians at the time, and cultural practices varied significantly within Africa. One can’t talk about the influence these practices had on the development of Christianity among black Americans without acknowledging why or how Christianity was adopted by black people in the US.

                    “No if not for segregation a long time ago all of the blacks would have just assimilated already and adopted the dominant cultural modes, I guess?”

                    Do you realize why we talk about “black Americans” as a singular cultural group? That doesn’t happen absent slavery. Africans were and aren’t some culturally monolothic group bound together by skin color. You can’t really even ask the hypothetical “how would black Christianity have developed absent slavery and discrimination” because the black population in the US would have been extremely small (at least until the last few decades as immigration from Africa and the Caribbean has picked up) without slavery. One can look at other countries, however, and see that there isn’t always nearly as big a divide in religious practices across racial lines (see most of Latin America and some Islamic African countries for example).

                    1. Africans were and aren’t some culturally monolothic group bound together by skin color.

                      No, but most of the slaves imported to the United States specifically came from a relatively compact area in West Africa known as the Slave Coast, and the vast majority of them spoke languages in the Bantu family, so differences between them would have been at the tribal level and there would have been enough cultural congruency to form a relatively coherent form of worship. As opposed to especially the Portuguese colonists who were notorious for gathering slaves from all over Africa to try to limit the amount of cultural cohesion that could facilitate slave revolts.

                      One can look at other countries, however, and see that there isn’t always nearly as big a divide in religious practices across racial lines (see most of Latin America and some Islamic African countries for example)

                      Much of that has to do with those religious traditions being imposed by force on the substrate populations.

                    2. “No, but most of the slaves imported to the United States specifically came from a relatively compact area in West Africa known as the Slave Coast, and the vast majority of them spoke languages in the Bantu family, so differences between them would have been at the tribal level and there would have been enough cultural congruency to form a relatively coherent form of worship.”

                      Perhaps, but you’re ignoring the elephant in the room that this only happened because they were forced into this situation via slavery, were forced or pressured into accepting Christianity, and due to the situation, slaves from different areas and backgrounds naturally would have been more willing to band together. There’s no real way to remove that from the context of slavery because it simply wouldn’t have happened otherwise.

                    3. “Much of that has to do with those religious traditions being imposed by force on the substrate populations.”

                      Islam in Sub-Saharan Africa wasn’t always spread by force, and as a whole its expansion there was more peaceful than it was in North Africa or the Middle East. And with regards to Latin America, yes slaves were coerced into accepting Catholicism, but slaves in the US were also forced into accepting Christianity. I would say that bigger factors are difference in racial conceptions and social situations in Latin America vs. the US (there were far more mixed people in Latin America, and racial divisions were not nearly as stark as they were in the US, which led to people of different races being more willing to worship together) as well as differences between Catholicism and Protestantism (the latter of which is obviously more willing to tolerate new branches).

                2. Do you know what the word “legacy” means? I have not once said in this entire exchange that modern white churches are unaccepting of black people and yet you’ve repeatedly accused me of suggesting or stating that.

                  Yes, I’m aware of the definition of legacy, and no I’m not accusing you personally of saying that white churches discriminate today. However, the tone of the OP that initially sparked this exchange obviously meant to strongly imply that they do, and also go on to imply that said discrimination is active in carrying a culture of white violence that apparently has spread even to atheists. That was what I was intending to refute when I made my original post.

                  1. I do want to state that I was not agreeing that the OP was making a valid point in context.

                    My point was that, if a foreigner who knew nothing about the US were to ask me why black and white Americans largely attend different churches despite both being predominately Christian, I would explain that it was largely a result of the past development of differences in religious and cultural traditions that came about largely due to slavery, segregation and racial discrimination. In that sense, I don’t think it makes sense to say black people are “just as responsible” for this situation, although I would also agree that it doesn’t really make sense to blame almost anyone alive today for it either.

                    1. I wasn’t trying to contend that blacks are “just as responsible” for the situation ever being that way, I did want to point out that the maintenance of that situation today is not on white shoulders, as the OP contended. Even with the separation on Sunday morning, they’re is an immense amount of cooperation between black and white churches in para-church ministry, which would not be possible if there was a culture of Hayes and violence that was so stifling and pervasive that it could even corrupt atheists.

                    2. *hatred

                    3. I do agree that the point isn’t really valid as far as its applied to critique attitudes of modern populations.

          2. No predominately white church is enforcing segregation or going out of its way to make minority worshippers uncomfortable.

            So no one can tell you your generalization from the specific is wrong because the specific occurred. But whites telling you this never happens because they didn’t witness it is….what?

            1. You must have missed the part where I specifically said I was black.

              Nice selective edit of my quote, btw

              1. You must have missed the part where I specifically said I was black.

                It’s obvious I understood this. I’m asking why you believe your specific experience is universal when we don’t accept this position in other contexts.

        2. But by all means, tell me that I can’t make an argument based on what I, as a black Christian, have observed with my own two, because it doesn’t line up with the approved version of history. How very SJW of you.

          1. Acknowledging the historical reasons behind why black people and white people have gone to separate churches in this country now makes one a “SJW?”

          2. Black people and white people by and large don’t really like each other and don’t particularly want to hang out with each other. Even if slavery and Jim Crow had never existed, that would still be true.

            1. Damn Warty, you gotta take a break from fucking NutraSweet’s mom some time to cash in on those psychic abilities.

    4. I don’t get it. What did the video have to do with segregation on Sun. morn?

      1. Meanie whites making blacks uncomfortable at their churches cause atheists to shoot Mooselimbs.

        1. This is as cogent a summary of the comment above as i’ve seen yet.

          There was another comment at Salon that helps clarify the ‘Cause-Effect’ process =

          “billiej 2 hours ago

          When you have Fox News, Limbaugh, Republican politicians all waiving the bloody shirt and preaching about “Islam, the Religion of Hate” and a Republican President telling us “They hate our Freedoms”, more and more citizens (deranged and otherwise) are going to be “influenced”.

          The sad thing is that this behavior has come more and more to define America, to obscure our ideals of equality, the common good and the common welfare.

          More than ‘sad’: Tragic – That our nation should be defined by its basest and coarsest and most hate-filled elements. And, now, represented by them as majorities in both the House and the Senate.”

          Ergo =

          The Athiest here was simply unable to control himself in the face of the overpowering forces of our Theocratic Right-Wing-Dominated Government, which through its Koch-Funded Mind-Control Technologies feeds RAW HATE into the population through GMOs and Vaccines, and compels them to violently attack the targets identified for them by Fox News with weaponry handed out to them by the NRA

          I’m pretty sure global warming is involved somehow as well.

          1. I hear Oswald was being mind-controlled by the zeitgeist of Dallas too.

            1. It was Dallas’s climate of right-wing hatred that made Oswald defect to Russia and then shoot the President for Cuba’s sake, or something.

        2. But what did the video have to do with any of that?

          1. All I could tell was there were people in a bar or someplace watching a music video, and appreciating it, and then they showed another music video made 3 mos. earlier. The video of these videos was called “Sunday Morning”. Is there something to the lyrics I’d’ve had to hear to get it?

          2. What video?

    5. White privilege. Someone forgot to give me mine. The blacks (especially here in Florida) have more rights than I do.

        1. Squirrels making me double post

        2. Just curious, are you trying to become Bo Cara v2.0 Cali?

          1. I’m curious to know what your response would have been if I (or someone else who posted the same thing) was replying to a poster that said “The whites (especially here in Florida) have more rights than I do.” I’m now Bo Cara because I don’t think white people in Florida are an oppressed class victimized by systemic discrimination?

            1. “I don’t think white people in Florida are an oppressed class victimized by systemic discrimination?”

              Dude, have you even seen the people who actually live in Orlando?

              Don’t you think they’d escape if the could?

              1. Never been to Orlando, do have an uncle who lives there and works at Disneyworld.

                Regardless, I meant “systemic racial discrimination” but I thought that was fairly obvious given Lanceman’s comment that started this subthread.

            2. No, you’re Bo Cara because you’re concern trolling anyone who brings up inconvenient facts to ensure no deviation from correctthink.

              1. How is typing “Lol” concern trolling Lanceman. Do you even know what that means? What “inconvenient fact” did you bring up? It’s pretty hilarious how you’re accusing me of ensuring no deviation from “correctthink” because I didn’t join in on the circlejerk in this thread.

                1. I meant to type “he” in the third sentence, referring to Lanceman, rather than “you.”

                  1. I have no idea what any of you are talking about.

                    The important thing = Never trust anyone who’s from Florida. They’re insane. Its some sick combination of redneck descendents of seminole indians, toilet-snakes, cuban/jewish emigres, and everyone either works for Disneyland, is a pornographer, or is soon to be one or the other.

                    1. *correction = Disneyworld

                      East Coast represent

                    2. Well of course any sane person avoids Floridians. Wouldn’t want to run into Florida Man.

  16. The only possible take-away from this is =

    – …who in god’s name actually takes Alternet seriously? Even Salon-style progs think its mindlesss, frothy clickbait

    – 4-wheelin’? = RIGHT WING REDNECK, Whoo hoo lets go paintball now!

    *i congratulate jesse on impeccable alt-text subtlety. I think just a plain-old “USA” would have worked as well.

    1. Aaron Kohl
      3 days ago

      several miles away civilians were killed after the bullets came fallling back down to earth

      god bless freedom?

      ha ha ha

    2. who in god’s name actually takes Alternet seriously? Even Salon-style progs think its mindlesss, frothy clickbait

      Well, Salon did reprint the article. Though Salon‘s subtitle at least acknowledged the guy’s politics “may have been left of center,” whereas AlterNet ran it under the “Tea Party and the Right” header.

      1. “Well, Salon did reprint the article.”

        i know. Alternet is like Salon’s “defective-discount-bin” of low-budget Prog articles. They repub them just to keep the clicks coming.

        In fact, Salon’s $100m+-losing business-model of being “middle-brow–Lefty-clickbait”, somewhere in-between the snooty Jacobin, and the angry-lesbian-vegan-anti-capitalist Alternet, seems to be *even more-doomed* than it was 2 years ago…when people were totally sure that it was on the verge of giving up the ghost….

        But like some kind of leftist-zombie-robot-hack, they manage to persevere….

        At some point i suspect there will have to be some kind of merger/borg-unification between Pando/RawStory/Salon, because i’m just not sure there’s any point in there actually being 6 versions of the same story all the time.

        1. Yeah, well, don’t look too closely because Reason will soon be merging with the Daily Beast.

  17. The Atlantic has zeroed in on the real story:

    Oregon Governor John Kitzhaber submitted his resignation on Friday, just one month into his record fourth term in office. Kitzhaber’s fate was all but sealed Thursday, after Secretary of State Kate Brown issued a statement describing his behavior, accurately, as “bizarre,” top Democrats called on him to step down, and several of his closest advisers resigned.

    The resignation takes effect on Wednesday, February 18, and according to the state’s succession law, Brown will take over his job?and becomes a pioneer. She is the nation’s first openly bisexual governor. (Like Kitzhaber, she’s a Democrat.)

    is she competent? Who the fuck cares? She’s BISEXUAL!

    1. And Lord Cornbury was bisexual long before this woman:

      http://nymag.com/news/features…..de-2012-4/

      1. Cornbury.

        Definitely not a homophone.

    2. Is the president competent? Who the fuck cares? He’s BLACK!

  18. “appears to fit the psychological profile of violent extremists?regardless of their ideological stripes.”

    Whoa… what profile is that?

    Is it like the “serial killer” profile so popular in many a crime thriller but in reality, often widely misses the mark in real life?

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  20. IIRC he was a big Maddow fan. Funny how that got swept under the rug. If he was a Limbaugh listener it would have been front page news.

  21. Wow. That’s for this information. I no longer think the SPLC is a reliable source for facts now.

  22. what profile is that?

    The “profile” which reveals itself (in glorious Technicolor) after the fact, when people come out of the woodwork to say, “Ah allus knowed they sumpthin fishy about thet gaaah!”

  23. But it dismisses this as unimportant, telling us the significant thing is that Hicks “appears to fit the psychological profile of violent extremists?regardless of their ideological stripes.”

    As a member of the Mad Pride movement, I’m offended by this dismissal. Calling a Left-winger schizophrenic is an insult to schizophrenics.

    1. Beyond parody.

      Boy, you got that right.

    2. Well, at least the white guy didn’t film himself cutting their heads off

      1. + 1 bloody machete.

    3. That’s not from The Onion?

  24. So forgive my ungoodthinkful lack of attention to this story so far, but is there any evidence at all that this was something beyond a nutjob going apeshit over a minor conflict. That sort of shit is terribly common in this country’s inner cities, for example, but never seems to make headlines unless there is a photogenic victim to bandy about. As far as I can tell this tragic local crime story has become a big fucking deal purely for political posturing and moral preening. Am I off base here?

    1. Am I off base here?

      Yes. There’s narrative at stake here, don’t fuck it up.

    2. “local crime story”

      That sounds familiar:

      http://www.breitbart.com/blog/…..ime-story/

    3. So forgive my ungoodthinkful lack of attention to this story so far, but is there any evidence at all that this was something beyond a nutjob going apeshit over a minor conflict. That sort of shit is terribly common in this country’s inner cities, for example, but never seems to make headlines unless there is a photogenic victim to bandy about.

      And look where it’s at
      Middle America, now it’s a tragedy
      Now it’s so sad to see, an upper class city
      Having this happening

      -Marshall Mathers

  25. Every time I see a story about the Southern Poverty Law Center I’m annoyed that they get more attention than the Student Press Law Center, which is a far more worthwhile organization.

    1. I think every mention of the SPLC should include photos of the palatial mansion of Morris Dees. The guy got filthy rich “fighting poverty.” And the SPLC have huge sums in offshore bank accounts. Not common for non-profits.

    2. Yeah, well, whenever I saw mention of the SCLC, I thought about the NCLC, & vice versa.

      1. Plus, I mix up On The Beach w On The Waterfront, & 1 Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest w To Kill a Mockingbird, but fortunately not w The Birds or The Byrds. My friend Charlie used to complain to say to my friend (they were married), “Nadine, they’re confusing me again!” when they were advertising at about the same time products called the Arriva, Achieva, Aptiva, and Captiva.

        1. And then there were Boniva, Alleve, and Caribe.

  26. Way OT: I have to pay back my ObamaCare subsidy”

    Some 53% of Jackson Hewitt clients who received subsidies have to repay part or all of it, with the largest being $12,000

    Surprise, surprise!

    1. Ha, ha! /muntzlaugh

    2. Should’a gone to Block…

      1. Or Lego…

  27. I have to pay back my ObamaCare subsidy”

    Haha, sucker!

  28. But like some kind of leftist-zombie-robot-hack, they manage to persevere….

    Via an ongoing series of infusions of working capital by socially responsible hedge fund managers eager to assuage the burning guilt of moneygrubbery?

    1. “an ongoing series of infusions of working capital by socially responsible hedge fund managers”

      I think that’s about as close to the truth as anything I’ve heard.

      Or, you could also spin it as a case of, “DADDY!? I NEEDS MO’MONEY FOR MUH MAGAZINE?!”

      “Since 2007, the company has been dependent on ongoing cash injections from board Chairman John Warnock and William Hambrecht, father of former Salon CEO Elizabeth Hambrecht.”

    2. infusions of working capital by socially responsible hedge fund managers eager to assuage the burning guilt of moneygrubbery?

      Modern leftist indulgences. See also: all things “green”

  29. It’s really something how quickly the JournoList lost their interest in this story once it came out that this shithead is a militant atheist.

    For a brief moment, they thought that maybe they finally had their Christian right-wing hate killer of Muslims that they’ve desperately been looking for these last dozen years or so. Oops!

    1. “For a brief moment, they thought that maybe they finally had their Christian right-wing hate killer”

      Give them time. I’m sure when the lefty media is done they will have washed him in the blood of Christ and made him a lifetime NRA member as well.

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  31. If we’re ever to enjoy any semblance of transparency from our “masters,” then double standards must always be challenged; period.

  32. Fuck everything. Everything is stupid. Everything except La Noche Del Domingo.

    1. Canaleta!?!

      That used to be a man, right?

      1. It’s not gay if you don’t look at her dick, dude.

      2. I liked their use of the tom-tom drumming sound effect that formerly was Fred Flintstone trying to make a quick run away.

        This is what passes for mainstream entertainment in Mexico and on one of the most-watched networks in the USA. Funny how we don’t seem to hear too much from the feminists and rape-culture idealogues about this. Imagine the tempest if this were broadcast on any English-language network in the USA.

        1. “Imagine the tempest if this were broadcast on any English-language network in the USA.”

  33. Interesting.

    State-led push to force constitutional convention gains steam, with high-profile Republican support

    A state-level campaign to rein in the federal government by calling an unprecedented convention to amend the U.S. Constitution is gaining steam, picking up support from two high-profile Republicans as more states explore the idea.

    The latest figures to endorse the effort are retired Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn and Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

    Coburn, a legendary government-waste watchdog, announced this week that he has joined the effort by becoming a senior adviser for the group Convention of States Action, which wants states, not just Congress, to pass constitutional amendments. A primary goal is to get an amendment to the Constitution requiring a balanced federal budget, in which spending does not exceed revenue.

    1. The federal leviathan is off of the leash, something must be done.

      That said, it could go really well or really awfully.

      1. My vote is on door number two, there.

    2. Very Bad Idea.

      Imagine what a Constitution written by today’s politicians would look like. Actually you don’t have to; just look at the EU Constitution.

      1. Agreed.
        We’d end up with “Right to Healthcare” and the 2nd amendment would be gone.

  34. Breastfeeding Mother Arrested and Babies Taken Away by Force: The Parents’ Side of the Story

    The police literally ripped 14 month old Levi from his mother’s breast, reports Erica May Carey, as she was nursing him in the car at a California gas station. Her baby was screaming, and she says her breast was exposed as the officers dragged her from the car. As she recounted the events of last Thursday, Erica began weeping, saying that she was “hogtied like an animal, when moments before I was nursing my infant.” She was arrested and jailed for fighting to keep her children with her.

    Certainly a little looney, but whose kids are they, the parent’s or the State’s?

    1. Appalling, unconscionable injustice.

      CPS is pure evil. Just because she wants to use coconut oil for eczema, instead of hydrocortisone cream.

    2. What. The. Fuck?

  35. What’s curious is that here in St. Louis a few months ago, there was a group of blacks that beat a muslim (Bosnian) man to death with hammers apparently because he was Bosnia.

    Did that register at all outside of St .Louis?

    1. It made a blip, thats it.

    2. THE FUTURE OF JOURNALISM

      The Selected Works of Steven Rosenfeld = author of ‘Angry, armed and white: Why Craig Stephen Hicks is the face of America’s violent extremism’ =

      – 7 right-wing demagogues that will be shoved down our throats in 2016

      – 9 signs the Kochs have created their own national political party

      – 15 reasons America’s police are so brutal

      – 10 ways the system is rigged to protect cops who kill

      – The 6 most hysterical, misinformed reactions to the Ebola outbreak

      – 12 reasons Texas’ new voter ID law is racist

      – 7 disgusting ways Michael Brown and Ferguson have been smeared

      – 7 libertarian upstarts who might help Democrats keep their U.S. Senate majority

      – 9 signs America’s gun obsession is getting worse

      – 8 disturbing trends that reveal the South’s battered psyche

      Its just like Cosmopolitan! Just without the advertising revenue, or the 17 tips on how to maximize your ‘gasms!

      1. Lordy, at first I thought this was a parody.

      2. So every journalist now writes in BuzzFeedstyle?

        1. Yes.

          Which, as noted =

          The “Number in the headline“-style is directly derived from decades of ‘supermarket-magazine-rack’ test-marketing

          ….where they learned that people who ‘browse’ rather than ‘read’ are incredibly attracted to stories that promise *a very specific number* of take-aways.

          The actual subject matter? MEANINGLESS. The number is actually what sells the ‘keep looking at this page’.

          “Editors sweat to find the perfect number, but admit there is no formula. As Craig Marks, the editor of Blender, put it, “It’s all voodoo.”

          …odd numbers seem to be more believable than even numbers. “The odd number really speaks to authenticity,” …”If it’s odd, it can’t be made up or shouldn’t have been made up.” (Editors insist that they use numbers that their writers actually find in their reporting.) [LOL]….”Saying ’35 best exercises’ is too many,” Mr. Zinczenko said. “But ‘789 great new tips for summer’ is fine. That says value without saying work.”

          The application of this low-brow marketing tactic to “Political Stories” just emphasizes the degree to which ‘Politics IS Fashion‘ for Millenial Left-Wingers.

    3. Well, they were black, and it would be un-PC to call attention to violence perpetrated by black people, so please stop talking about this. We have a social project to work on. People might think that black people were violent or something.

      1. being violent, I mean.

  36. The mental contortions progressives will go to to pin all acts of violence on “right-wing extremists” is amazing.

    A liberal-leaning guy shoots three Muslims and they tie themselves in knots trying to figure out how he must have been a right-winger.

    Meanwhile, another Muslim extremist kills some more people to get revenge for cartoons.

    1. And in that case, as with all the others, the real danger is a backlash against Muslims.

    2. ” another Muslim extremist kills some more people to get revenge for cartoons.

      There you go with the Islamophobia again!

      (shakes head sadly)

      You Teathuglican Wingjobs really are predictable!

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  41. The attempt to make this an anti-Muslim attack is crazy. Of all the evidence that’s so far come out, this guy is a dangerous loon (whose dangerousness was completely unknown to the police…who were probably too busy making sure 20 year old college kids weren’t getting drunk).

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