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College Students Are Infants and Deserve Zero Free Speech or Sex Rights, Says Slate

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Eric Posner—a University of Chicago Law School professor and son of famed federal judge Richard Posner—makes the case in Slate that college students don't really deserve free speech or due process rights. He also chides libertarians outraged by campus censorship for thinking that 18-year-olds—infants, in his view—are intellectually capable of thriving in a non-coercive environment.

A relevant snippet:

Conservatives and libertarians are up in arms. They see these rules as an assault on free speech and individual liberty. They think universities are treating students like children. And they are right. But they have also not considered that the justification for these policies may lie hidden in plain sight: that students are children. Not in terms of age, but in terms of maturity. Even in college, they must be protected like children while being prepared to be adults.

There is a popular, romantic notion that students receive their university education through free and open debate about the issues of the day. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Students who enter college know hardly anything at all—that's why they need an education. Classroom teachers know students won't learn anything if they blab on about their opinions. Teachers are dictators who carefully control what students say to one another. It's not just that sincere expressions of opinion about same-sex marriage or campaign finance reform are out of place in chemistry and math class. They are out of place even in philosophy and politics classes, where the goal is to educate students (usually about academic texts and theories), not to listen to them spout off.

But it's not just inside the classroom where students should be prisoners of tutelage, argues Posner:

Most of the debate about speech codes, which frequently prohibit students from making offensive comments to one another, concerns speech outside of class. Two points should be made. First, students who are unhappy with the codes and values on campus can take their views to forums outside of campus—to the town square, for example. The campus is an extension of the classroom, and so while the restrictions in the classroom are enforced less vigorously, the underlying pedagogical objective of avoiding intimidation remains intact

Second, and more important—at least for libertarians partisans of the free market—the universities are simply catering to demand in the marketplace for education. While critics sometimes give the impression that lefty professors and clueless administrators originated the speech and sex codes, the truth is that universities adopted them because that's what most students want. If students want to learn biology and art history in an environment where they needn't worry about being offended or raped, why shouldn't they?

Wow.

First, let's zero in on students having to "worry about being offended or raped." Note that these two concerns, casually presented side-by-side in the article, are not remotely comparable. Rape is a violent crime that is rightly illegal under state and federal laws; offense is not. Students absolutely have the right not to be raped, and universities are legally obligated to provide reasonable protections for students. While it's impossible to guarantee anyone's safety all the time, and rape remains a reality for many women, students shouldn't really live in constant fear that they might be raped, since it happens rarely—all too frequently, sure, but rarely. And campuses are relatively safe places for women, despite headlines implying the contrary.

Offendedness is an entirely different matter, and there's every reason to think that artificially protecting students from it is not ultimately in anyone's best interests. If a student manages to graduate college without ever having been offended, would we say that the experience was worthwhile? Doesn't growing up, becoming educated, and entering civil society require that young people learn to confront uncomfortable ideas? Real-life does not come with trigger warnings, and a person who has spent four years in the good-feelings Matrix will not be prepared to interact with actual human beings.

Posner's claim that 18-year-olds are actually biologically incapable of handling free speech was expertly dismissed by Foundation for Individual Rights in Education President Greg Lukianoff when he encountered this argument while testifying before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights last year, so I'll let him rebut it:

MR. LUKIANOFF:  I've rarely heard that argument made so directly.  Essentially, just to summarize it, the way I've heard it made in the past is essentially that what we're really saying is that 18- to 22-year-olds are children. And they must be therefore treated the same way as K through 12 are. They can't handle the real world. They can't handle the duties of citizenship. It's an argument that I've definitely heard.

And if you're saying that basically we should—that maybe below-graduate-level study should be ruled the same way high school students should be—I would disagree with you.

But that's definitely an argument that people should make that straight out, but you run into a couple moral and philosophical problems with that.

One of them is the moral and philosophical underpinnings of the 26th Amendment.  Essentially, we have decided in this country that 18-year-olds… that is considered the age for majority.

We also send our 18-year-olds to war.  Unless you're actually also willing to make the argument that nobody below the age of, I don't know, 22 should go to war, and we repealed the 26th Amendment, we've got a serious problem.

[…]

MR. LUKIANOFF:  I just want to make one last point, and do not forget that some of the greatest contributions of colleges and universities come out of their graduate and Ph.D. programs. And so what I've watched is people try to argue that because of the presence of some 15- to 16-year-old super-geniuses at some of these campuses, that we should be therefore limiting speech on college campuses, forgetting that [that] would also limit the speech of 45-year-old Ph.D.'s.

Posner's notion that this is merely the education market giving customers exactly what they want is also ludicrous. Higher education is not a free market by any stretch of the imagination.  The market is dominated by public universities and publicly-subsidized private universities. Many of these institutions are explicitly required by the U.S. Constitution to grant their students free speech rights, no matter how desperately some segment of the student population craves censorship.

To pretend that administrators have played a limited role in the growth of campus censorship in the last two decades is similarly nonsensical. Administrative bloat is an undeniable problem at many colleges; campuses are flooded with vice presidents for student life and assistant directors of residential activities. These administrators don't sit just sit around twiddling their thumbs (not all the time, at least)—they are actively policing speech on campus.

But he is right, perhaps, that all too many students actually want and expect to be treated like children. This is a real problem—worsened by years of letting the hecklers win—not the correct state of emotional development for college students.

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262 responses to “College Students Are Infants and Deserve Zero Free Speech or Sex Rights, Says Slate

  1. I posted this one yesterday. Not that I am fishing for a hat tip or anything. 😉

    1. +2 Beloved Commenter (sarcasmic was +1 in another thread)

      1. We need to teach these youngsters a lesson or two about that there “free speech” baloney. First they get out of hand with those words of hate and “criticism,” and then before you know it they’re sending out those “parody tweets” in the names of our department chairmen and university presidents. We’ve been teaching these folks a real good lesson in respect for leadership at NYU,

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        and we need to extend this learning exercise around the country, before these kids start cutting away at the fabric of our nation with that there college “speech.”

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          1. I will surely invest in the good technique proposed by our new friend. This is what we need to train our college students to do. All of us should be working together to protect their minds from that there “free speech” and “parody.” We need to teach this here lost generation of youngsters how to get ahead in life. God save them from the illness!

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      1. And it’s fishin’, not catchin’.

      2. At first glance I read that as “Fish ain’t batin’.”

        1. I don’t know how you get no fish without baitin’ SOMETHING….

      3. Have you tried a tapeworm?

  2. Even in college, they must be protected like children while being prepared to be adults.

    They magically grow up after graduation?

    1. No but I can see where Posner could push his POV out of the campus and into public life after college when kids are still mostly children so they’ll be needing a little help.

      Of course, when they make bad decisions such as thinking the wrong things, then the Progs will have to step in again to help them. Posner is testing the waters a bit here, imo.

      1. Well, since they can stay on their parent’s insurance until 26…

    2. There was a time when teenagers were expected to work manual jobs, contribute to the family income, and basically get on in the world without being held by the hand.

      When technology and industry made that less of a necessity, ~17 became the age when people were expected to take an adult responsibilities.

      Now this guy is saying it should actually be 22. And if he had his way, in 50 years it would be 26 year olds.

      1. That wasn’t technology and industry, that was politics and social engineering. Keep the 15 year olds out of the job market so that instead of junior making $12 an hour in barely-skilled labor and Dad making $16 an hour in barely-skilled labor, Dad can make $20 an hour in barely-skilled labor because the supply of barely-qualified workers is lower.

        A net negative for the family, but Dad feels better about himself and gets to be in a higher tax bracket.

        1. Lol, as if there are still working class families with fathers in the home.

    3. What about the Professors’ perk of getting to fuck their young impressionable students? I guess it’s safe because it’s part of the education. (Except it sounds like monopoly).

      1. Yeah, I’m waiting for a prof who pushes this “students aren’t really fully adult” thing, and the “yes means yes” thing, to actually be intellectually consistent and call for the university to fire any professor who fucks a student.

        Because rape, privilege, power, all that other crap that is so important when they want to piss in someone else’s rice bowl.

    4. On one hand he argues this, that they are children and they should be treated as such.

      On the other he apparently has no problem recognizing them as self-aware consumers:

      “While critics sometimes give the impression that lefty professors and clueless administrators originated the speech and sex codes, the truth is that universities adopted them because that’s what most students want.”

      Which is it?

      Maybe this some kind of magical fairy land, where incompetent students instinctively know what’s best for them?

      1. Child-led parenting!

      2. It is par for course in thinking for tose on that side of the political spectrum. Us the unenlightened masses are too stupid to manage our childrens education, to know what lightbulbs to buy, to own a gun, to get a credit card or mortgage. To stupid to manage our healthcare and retirement. However we are smart enough to vote for the right people to make those decisions for us.

    5. Yes, at graduation, they become adults. Unless they are male and while having sex, they didn’t get the required affirmative consent at each base. In that case, they should be thrown in jail for life. Also, if they decide not to go to college, then they are obviously sub-human and can be considered adults.

  3. So let’s throw free speech and sex rights into the ‘you’re old enough to go and die in a war, but you can’t…*insert things here*’ pile.

    1. ^^was about to say the same thing.

      This may be one of the dumber things I’ll read all day. And the guy is a smart dude too!

        1. Oh yeah, Dina Meyer.

          1. 46 and still a babe. I’ll take her over Richards any day.

            1. She made Johnny Mnemonic and Dragonheart tolerable. Plus she was one of the best looking chicks to be on original 90210, but that wasn’t a particularly high bar to clear.

              Richards is hot but Meyer has something more.

            2. Yuuuuup!

            3. I’ll take her over Richards any day.

              Back when Starship Troopers came out, no. But now, yes. Richards has not aged well.

              1. Oh man, Wild Things.

          2. Has she done anything since Starship Troopers?

            Cause Hollywood movies could only be improved by showing more of her (and by more I mean with less clothes)

            1. Was Saw after starship?

            2. Mostly TV, and most of those are guest roles. But yeah, she’s still working, and still looks great.

              1. Check out her set pictures from Sequestered.

                46. Damn.

                https://www.facebook.com/TheRealDinaMeyer/photos

                1. I like her hair curly better than straight.

                  1. Me too but she looks fucking amazing regardless. Fuck now I want to watch Starship Troopers again.

                    1. I’m amazed the special effects still hold up, considering how crappy a lot of new cgi looks.

                    2. Yeah but Epi, who needs a knife in a nuke fight anyway? All you gotta do is push a button…sir?

                    3. Akston, put your hand up against that wall!

                    4. MEDIC!

      1. And the guy is a smart dude too!

        No, he’s not. He’s an educated dude, but that doesn’t make him a smart dude.

      2. I see no evidence of that.

  4. all too many students adults actually want and expect to be treated like children. This is a real problem?worsened by years of letting the hecklers win?not the correct state of emotional development for college students adults.

  5. Even in college, they must be protected like children while being prepared to be adults.

    Eric Posner is a despicable piece of shit.

    We put 14-year-olds on trial as adults for murder in this country.

    1. Eric Posner is a despicable piece of shit.

      I don’t know why you had to cite a tautology, but whatevs.

    2. It is indeed ridiculous – he is just soft-selling censorship because he doesn’t want to hear contradictory ideas.

      Perhaps the bigger issue is that children – real children – have for several decades been denied basic rights and the chance to learn responsibility. If we don’t start recognizing the rights of children we will see this argument creeping forward with every generation until future generations will not have their rights recognized until the moment they die.

      As for holding 14 year olds responsible for murder – I agree that it is hypocritical. Either recognize that 14 year olds have most if not all rights, or don’t presume they have the capacity to be held responsible for their actions. I am reminded that the age of consent, back when it was 10, was to protect children under that age from the government. Ten years and older were held responsible for such “crimes” as fornication.

  6. If they’re immature, it’s thanks to educational policy.

    If by the time they’re in college students haven’t learned responsibility, maybe they shouldn’t be in college. If they go anyway, give them a crash course in doing their work and behaving responsibly, and expel those who can’t hack it. Presto – those remaining will be a mature and adult student body.

    But without the irresponsible students you lose your funding, don’t you? Well, if you make it your policy to make money off the irresponsible students, don’t be surprised if they act…irresponsibly.

    1. If they’re immature, it’s thanks to educational policy

      Could part of it be parenting as well? Parents not wanting to parent and instead be their children’s “best friends?” I also wonder if it is partly because parents are afraid that if they discipline their children they will have the authorities called on them.

      1. As a parent of teenagers the later is far more common than the former.

        I have encountered very few parents who worried overly much over being their kids friends. Nearly every parent I have ever talked to has been terrified of CPS showing up on their doorstep.

        1. Eh, a while back when my buddy’s son was giving him a hard time about being disciplined for his antics and threatened to call DYFS, my buddy just picked up the phone and said, “good, here’s the phone, you want me to dial it for you? Just understand that you will be removed from us and will never see me or your mom again”. Bluff called, the kid STFU and behaved himself.

          1. The fear is not that the kid will call and rat them out.

            The fear is that the kid will say something that will be intrepreted in the wrong way by a teacher or that they will employ corporal punishment, leave a mark and someone will see it.

            I’ve actually had it happen to me.

            When he was 9 my now 15 year old did something stupid. I open hand smacked him on the ass and him being very fair skinned left a bruise.

            A couple of days later we were in a restaurant and he went to the bathroom. Somehow someone in the bathroom saw the bruise and actually called the cops. As we left the restaurant the literally stopped us in the parking lot and conducted a criminal investigation to determine if I was guilty of child abuse.

            Fortunately my entire extended family was present including my Inlaws who were both career army and pretty well known in the community, but imagine if it was just me and the kid.

            In a world like that you don’t dare do anything to really punish your kids.

            1. I open hand smacked him on the ass …

              A couple of days later we were in a restaurant and he went to the bathroom. Somehow someone in the bathroom saw the bruise

              I would have demanded that the pervert be arrested for looking at my kid’s ass. Turnabout is fairplay.

              1. And anonymous complaints are a bitch.

                1. Even non anonymous complaints can be.

                  When I got tired of waiting for my ex to file our uncontested divorce and did it on my own so I could move on with current wife who I already had kids with the ex conspired with a friend of hers to make some anonymous allegations of child neglect against us.

                  Their mistake was doing it over LiveJournal and forgetting that I still knew the ex’s LJ password.

                  So when the caseworker showed up the day after the divorce was final we knew who was behind it and were even able to log in and show them the thread where the entire scheme was cooked up. Still it took 2 weeks to get CPS out of our hair and even though there was a specific crime in the books for knowingly filing a false report of child abuse/neglect in the state we lived at the time the police refused to pursue the case.

      2. That’s what I suspect. I see too many parents issue tepid “bad decision” responses to their kids’ bad behavior. Something about being in tune with their emotional needs.

  7. They have the franchise and are legally adults for everything but drinking, which, incidentally, is stupid. I say this as someone who thinks the last few generations have been stretching out immaturity more with each iteration. Even so, they’re adults.

    How does going to college strip you of rights? I don’t even begin to understand that rationale.

    I suppose one way to deal with the insularity of college campuses is to go totally virtual.

    1. The flip side of this argument is the idea that college women get extra bonus rights to protect themselves from rape. What about women who don’t go to college? Why don’t they get some sort of access to special due process free courts like the coeds?

      If the regular LEO’s can’t protect college women from rapists, they can’t protect non-college women either. Why does no one care about the second group?

      Fuck I thought it was bad at the amount of freedom I gave up when I enlisted, but it seems like maybe college kids have it almost as bad today.

      1. What about women who don’t go to college? Why don’t they get some sort of access to special due process free courts like the coeds?

        Because the prog-tards don’t give two shits about people, men or women, who don’t go to college. They tend to be of a lower social class and therefore aren’t worth shit.

        Although you probably shouldn’t give them ideas either. If their hatred toward men starts to outweigh their hatred towards lower class people, then they might decide that all women everywhere need to be able to have any man thrown in a cage at anytime.

        1. And, as this idiocy might tend to indicate, they don’t give MUCH of a shit about people who DO go to college. Here we have a faculty member pissing all over tye student body from (in his mind, if nobody else’s) a great hight.

          And why do I suspect that what has provoked him is that some of the little pissants have had the gall, the ABSOLUTE GALL, to disagree with his politics.

          1. “from (in his mind, if nobody else’s) a great height”

            “popular” and “romantic” (as in “There is a popular, romantic notion that students receive their university education through free and open debate about the issues of the day”) are code-words for “foolish assumptions from the ignorant masses unworthy of consideration by serious people.”

  8. Ha, slate comment:

    Does no one else recognize this is satire?

    1. Does the commenter not recognize the byline?

  9. Eric Posner is hilariously good at being terrible.

    1. And you are spectacularly good at being the worst, Nicole.

      And we love you for it!

    2. Remember when Eric Posner said we should get rid of our free speech rights because people might say things that would make Muslims riot halfway around the world?

      It’s a transnational hecklers veto!

      1. It’s not even that. It’s a “Eric Posner’s imaginary heckler”‘s veto.

    3. Just one more entry into the “when the only tool you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail” department. There is nothing new, innovative, or novel in this analysis. It is the justification of every dictator, martinet and fascist from time immemorial. People who can’t control themselves seek to control everyone else. See Eric Posner.

  10. While I have no doubt this is what many progs believe in private, I’m surprised one would admit it out loud. Some of the people commenting on Slate are insisting this is satire, and blatant clickbait. Has this author expressed this kind of opinion before?

    1. They are getting bolder. That scares me.

  11. Is it just me or does Posner sound like a bitter old man jealous of the young adults for their youth and vitality, and is projecting his own biases about them on them? Because otherwise this is just too retarded (not that him being jealous wouldn’t be retarded too). I mean, there’s so much emotion and projection of his own ignorance and immaturity. “People that age want to be controlled and are too immature and blah blah blah because that’s the way I was at that age, so everyone must be!”

    Fucking scumbag.

    1. Fucking scumbag.

      You’re being too kind.

    2. I don’t even think it’s that, I think it’s just pure narcissism about how he views them exercising their rights compared to himself.

      “Well, I’m a responsible adult and I’m obviously too smart to do any of these things, so it must be that they’re too immature and stupid to understand things the way I do!”

    3. Bitter not-that-old man. But yeah.

      1. He learned the bitter old man shtick from his old man. Posner the elder is quite bitter about never getting the SCOTUS nod.

  12. Of all the reviews of 50 Shades of Grey that I have read, Eric Posner’s is the best.

  13. Enh, the more I think about it, the more they’re probably right. Then again, when you force me to pay for it, you can go fuck yourself.

  14. Not in terms of age, but in terms of maturity.

    Mature enough to be conscripted into the governments military to go kill people on behalf of said government. Not mature enough to handle free and open discussion of ideas. Understood.

    1. Classroom teachers know students won’t learn anything if they blab on about their opinions

      It’s not like there are books or an electronic network in which they could read and learn about anything their little hearts desire and then discuss these things or anything.

    2. needn’t worry about being offended or raped, why shouldn’t they?

      “Rape” constitutes an assault that should be prosecuted by the government pursuant to law. On the other hand, the government has been barred from criminalizing speech. That is if 1A and the respective State equivalents are to be taken at face value.

    3. So college students are less mature than non-college students of the same age or is he deciding that college students are less mature based on their age?

  15. The writing definitely sounds like satire in the Jonathan Swift, “A Modest Proposal” vein. Is someone’s sarcasm meter broken?

    1. Is someone forgetting Poe’s Law?

      1. I always mix up that one with Joe’z Law…

        1. Go to the Crab Shack?

    2. Even assuming it was that it fails on that level because he is saying EXACTLY what a good many people have openly admitted to believing.

      There is nothing ridiculous or over the top in his essay from a progressive pov, it is pretty much straight party line mainstream views.

      Swifts satire worked because it was an over the top vulgar and ethically disgusting extension of what people said and believed.

    3. It’s not satire because it’s Eric Posner.

      The same Eric Posner who wrote this:

      “The World Doesn’t Love the First Amendment

      Meanwhile, some liberals began to have second thoughts. They supported enactment of hate-crime laws that raised criminal penalties for people who commit crimes against minorities because of racist or other invidious motives. They agreed that hate speech directed at women in the workplace could be the basis of sexual harassment claims against employers as well. However, the old First Amendment victories in the Supreme Court continued to play an important role in progressive mythology. For the left, the amendment today is like a dear old uncle who enacted heroic deeds in his youth but on occasion says embarrassing things about taboo subjects in his decline.”

      Free Speech: It’s like a crazy old uncle we should just ignore!

      This man teaches law at the University of Chicago.

      1. In a sane and just world, Eric Posner would be taken from his home, stripped naked in the streets, and then beaten with a rubber hose and kicked with steel-toed boots until he shits himself either from fear or from the blunt force trauma damaging the nerves that control his bowels. After which, he would be frog-marched into the town square and place within a bronze sepulcher. A fire would be lit under the sepulcher and for the next hour, Eric Posner would be slowly roasted alive within it, as his screams and death moans would be amplified by the construction of the device, providing a bass clef accompaniment to the joyful singing and drumming that would accompany his execution.

        1. Sounds about right.

        2. And then what?

            1. This seems to be a theme with you today.

            2. And, Number One on the list of “Links I won’t be clicking”…

        3. Well, kind of a violation of NAP for the ravings of the town lunatic…

    4. Yours?

  16. Why are today’s 18 year olds so unprepared for living in the real world? Why? What did we do to them? I say we because I have a 26 year old who has no job, no ambitions and no future. I don’t understand it. At 18 I was married by 26 I was preparing to buy my second house after selling our tiny “starter” house. My kids were 7 and 4. I don’t know what I did wrong.

    Whatever the cause the solution is certainly not to keep treating them as infants but to demand that they act as adults and face the consequences of not doing so. Using being offended and rape in the same context is offensively idiotic.

    Every generation has critiqued following generations, that’s a fact. In spite of the fact that I’m now the grumpy old man, something is seriously wrong with how these generations are turning out. The fault can only be laid at the feet of their parents and I accept that my kids are my problem and I’m 1 for 2. One is independent and productive and the other still acts like a child. Only 3 years separate them and I’m baffled by the results. A parent’s primary job is to ensure that their kids can lead happy and productive lives. That they are ready for living in the real world once they pass into adulthood is the most important thing.

    1. Cut your child (not that they’re a child any more) off, and they will grow the fuck up fast. But you have to be willing to be that harsh. Some people, regardless of when they were born, will be lazy shits unless you do not allow them to be.

      1. Epi I know that! the problem is my wife and the fact that he is the baby and any talk of cutting him off makes me into an evil monster. I’m ready to simply bug out and move to Belize to live in a shack on the beach where I can spearfish for my dinner and let them both figure out how to feed and clothe themselves without me.

        1. Well, then, he’s not going to grow up. It’s unfortunate, but true. If your wife doesn’t realize that, then…

        2. You have to appeal to the emotional side that your wife is using to “think.” you have to make it out as if she is actively hurting the kid by coddling him. She has to feel her way to your position, and that involves much guilt and angst. It will not be a fun transition for her, but it is one that she has to do unless you plan of permanently housing your son.

          How do I know? I’m 26,and surrounded by people with parents in the exact same position as you. One of the parents (generally the mother) has the other’s balls in a vice because “It’s my baby, and we can’t let him fail!”

          Here’s the reality. Those kids are still making minimum wage, struggling to figure themselves out. Those who were kindly shown the door after turning 18 (i haven’t lived at home since age 17, except for a couple months at a time between semesters during undergrad) are already well into adulthood. Many of my cohort are married, having kids, own a house, have advanced degrees, and make well over median salaries.

          I personally live 800 miles away from one parent an 1000 miles away from another. It was scary at first to live so far away, but I wouldn’t trade it for anything. It allowed me the space to figure out who I am apart from parental meddling. I certainly wouldn’t be married, in law school, a homeowner, and supporting my own family if I didn’t have that opportunity away from my parents to gain the skills and confidence needed to survive on my own.

          1. Another thing to add. This is an issue of culture and of society, true. However, this is proximately an issue of parenting. Teachers are not to blame for entitlement, college professors are not to blame, government is not to blame. The one who is at blame is the parent that decided it was OK to let these people have the vast majority of influence over their child’s life, leaving little room for parental influence.

            I don’t mean this to be offensive, but it is harsh. I have no pity for parents who look up after 20 years of letting the government raise their child and don’t recognize the person who their child grew up to be. I don’t quote scripture much around here for obvious reasons, but the Bible says “train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.” The correlary to that is that whomever truly trains up your child dictates the way he goes.

        3. I’m ready to simply bug out and move to Belize to live in a shack on the beach where I can spearfish for my dinner and let them both figure out how to feed and clothe themselves without me.

          This is gonna sound harsh, but maybe you should.

          You should first ask yourself if you still love your wife enough to put up with her infantilizing your son and his inability to grow the fuck up. If so, then stay put. But if not, well, it might be time to get the hell out of there. Like I said, harsh.

      2. Cut your child

        Stop there and it sounds like every parent in a Puerto Rican neighborhood, AMIRITE??!!

        /teh racist

        1. Is it racist if it’s true?

          1. Haven’t you been paying attention?

            Truth is especially racist, that bastard!

      3. That’s what my dad did to me in the late 70’s. I did grow the fuck up fast. Mom wasn’t pleased then but later she was.

        1. I didn’t have to be threatened. My parents were simply gonna start charging me for room & board at the house as long as I wasn’t in college. I was already wanting to GTFO at that point anyway, though. Fortunately, I found a good-paying job in Houston that could pay for food, gas and a decent apartment. I moved out barely a month after turning 20 and never had to move back.

          It’d be nice if my kids could do that as well, but I’m not expecting it. I just hope they can get their own places before they turn 30.

        2. The thought of moving back in with my parents literally never crossed my mind.

          Not once. Ever.

          Even when I was living at the Y and selling plasma to buy ramen noodles one summer.

    2. Kick your worthless spawn out of the house and quit giving it money. Divorce your harpy wife if you have to.

      1. Unless you’re in California. Trust me on this.

        1. Yes. Fake your death in that case.

          1. Or do that Belize spearfishing thing….either way.

            Warty, you have the makings of a terrific family law practitioner.

    3. Why are today’s 18 year olds so unprepared for living in the real world?

      Part of this is due to government policy that legally treats them as absolutely no different than 8 year olds right up until their 18th birthday.

      1. Well, except for still facing felonies and tried as adults. But nonetheless, look at child labor laws, truancy laws, zero-tolerance, the shift of young adulthood, getting a job in high-school to doing that college.

    4. Also, does your 26 year old happen to be an attractive female? Cuz, you know…PICS.

    5. “I don’t know what I did wrong.”

      What schools did you send them to?

    6. you’re an old man, you know about the 2008 economic collapse, and you’re wondering why your kid hasn’t bought a house yet? You sound like a dumbass

      Look, you have to understand, the massive expansion fueled by Greenspan’s policies made it super easy for the older generations. I know endless of retarded old fucks like you who have no actual talent or skill but still managed to make bank quite simply because they had some money to start with, and back then as long as you weren’t black that’s all you needed.

      As for the ambition/motivation thing, consider the marriage laws. The only reason for a guy to do the work to make lots of money is to support a family, but nowadays getting married just means you’re going to get divorced and have half your money taken away. There’s no incentive for any man to make more than enough for a moderately comfortable lifestyle and just enjoy his remaining free time. You could say they should make money to attract a wife, but even assuming you could find an actual GOOD woman, you’d be ignoring the fact that the regular stress relief from regular sex and cuddling, and the lack of a need to go out to socialize (and FIND a wife) that comes with having a wife are what HELP a man cope with working extra to make extra money.

      1. Get me a good woman (again, probably doesn’t exist) and I’ll make all the extra money we could want over the next 40 years. Until then, I’ll just use my real skills (as opposed to credentials) to make a comfortable life, and get sex as much as I can from dating, which is available.

  17. Mark me down as a grouch, but I think the article makes an excellent case…for treating the author as a penyata.

  18. My favorite part is that Posner delusionally proclaims that the students want these codes.

    Two problems:

    1. Many of these codes are implemented when spineless administrators give in to demands from a vocal and irritating minority of students. Student activists have a disproportionate voice on college campuses, and their desires are often implemented to the detriment of their classmates.

    2. The remaining codes are frequently enforced by the Department of Justice, particularly since Eric Holder started using the DOJ to strongarm colleges into implementing his preferred speech/sex codes. Colleges have been threatened with removal of funding if they didn’t comply.

    Eric Posner is stupid enough to think this is a free market.

    1. Thirdly, if students are so insanely immature that they are unworthy of free speech or sex rights, why on earth would you then treat their opinions on the codes as valid? It’s like if someone said “Democracy is the assumption that a million idiots can make a decision better than a single person, and a million idiots support me on that point.”

      1. Democracy is the assumption that a million idiots can make a decision better than a single person, and a million idiots support me on that point.

        Dude, that’s pretty much the progressive line on everything where they think they have a majority. They don’t even try and hide it.

        1. I’m aware, I’m just saying it’s a blatant logical fallacy in their argument. This is what happens when you try to be both an elitist and a populist at the same time.

        2. And where they’re in the minority, all of a sudden “Democracy” is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what’s for lunch.

      2. “Thirdly…”

        You expect this bozo to be able to follow his own argument and enforce consistency on it?

    2. Eric Posner is stupid enough to think this is a free market.

      He’s a chip off the old block, his dad thought of he knew what a free market is too, turns out he knew a fuckton of nothing.

    3. He probably doesn’t know WTF a “free market” is except that it’s something that libertarians and a lot of conservatives support, so he thinks that invoking “FREE MARKIT, so there!!!!11!!!1!!!!!!111!!!” he can win the argument.

      IOW, he’s an epically stupid individual.

  19. Why are today’s 18 year olds so unprepared for living in the real world?

    Teachers are dictators who carefully control what students say to one another.

    1. Threading fail.

      1. I blame the teachers.

        1. Come on – they’re not adults till something something they’re not ready something so the state.

          So you can’t blame the teachers!

  20. Also, his claim is that college students aren’t ‘ready’ to be adults. Well they aren’t ready because their parents didn’t allow them to mature and coddled them too much.

    So what he’s suggesting is that we extend that coddling so that students can remain immature even when they graduate. All he’s doing is causing students to remain immature longer, and they’ll run into the exact same problems once they’re out of college that they’re now dealing with freshman year.

    1. So…prolonged adolescence with the state as their parents? I’m sure that sounds just peachy keen to Posner.

      1. Can a brother get a trigger warning?

        “the state as their parents”

        *shudder*

      2. prolonged adolescence with the state as their parents?

        I’m writing a term paper on compulsory education this semester, and let me acknowledge how absolutely baked into the system this is. Adolescence didn’t exist before “those damned negroes, micks, kids, and women” started stealing our jerbs! They killed two birds with one stone by making the “fucking Catholic heretics” send their kids to proper Protestant school.

  21. Can they be aborted, too?

  22. I don’t believe for a second this is trolling.

    I think THIS IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE!!!!

    And the dude who wrote this is a fucking retarded son-of-a-buttfucked ape. No homo. And NTTAWWT…

  23. Posner sure likes to imagine people as children, infants, and babies whenever possible. And not just their intellect or maturity, but the whole of the person. You know, I think it’s high time this Posner fellow proves to everyone he doesn’t diddle kids.

    Next time he’s on campus, his laptop should be seized. I’m sure he’d have no problem with someone going through his hidden folders and browsing history.

    1. I’m presuming this is the same Eric Posner who has a special kind of hate for the first amendment.

      1. This is that Americans need to learn that the rest of the world?and not just Muslims?see no sense in the First Amendment. Even other Western nations take a more circumspect position on freedom of expression than we do, realizing that often free speech must yield to other values and the need for order. Our own history suggests that they might have a point.

        1. “Ok Posner, I suggest that your argument to remove rights from students is dangerous in the sense that it will merely continue to coddle college students into believing they are glorified children rather than adults. In response to that, your right to freedom of speech should be suspended for promoting dangerous viewpoints.”

          I don’t think the man has thought through the logic of ‘heckler’s veto’ for free speech.

          1. I think he has. He just thinks only his side should be able to use it. He doesn’t care about free speech John. He wants people he doesn’t like told to shut up and kicked out of campus.

            1. That’s what I’m saying, he’s too arrogant to realize that you can apply the same tactics of ‘speech yielding to other values and the need for order’ to basically anything he says.

        2. “This is that Americans need to learn that the rest of the world?and not just Muslims?see no sense in the First Amendment.”

          I find that kind of talk offensive. What can I do to have him prosecuted for offending me?

          1. “This is what Americans need to learn that the rest of the world – and not just Muslims – see no sense in prohibiting racial discrimination or worrying about systematic racism.”

            There, fixed it for the little bastard.

        3. Correct.

          Most of the rest of the world really sees no point to this weird “Freedom” thingie.

          Liberty is a concept of the Anglosphere. American exceptionalism, and more generally, Anglosphere exceptionalism, is a real thing.

        4. This is that Americans need to learn that the rest of the world?and not just Muslims?see no sense in the First Amendment.

          OK, sure.

          So what?

      2. Jesus, what a cunt.

        -jcr

    2. You know, I think it’s high time this Posner fellow proves to everyone he doesn’t diddle kids sheep.

      1. I thought the sheep part was clear with “kids”… Oh wait, that’s goats.

  24. Doesn’t growing up, becoming educated, and entering civil society require that young people learn to confront uncomfortable ideas?

    Only if they are conservatives or liberterians confronting progressive ideas. If they are progressives then they need to be shielded from the hateful ideas of libertarians and conservatives.

  25. If this were my son, I would demand he change his name and stop calling himself my son. What a pathetic, tyrannical little bastard.

    I love how he chalks this shit up to “the free market”. First, only a few students demanded this. Second, even if they did, that doesn’t make it a good thing. So what if the “market demands it”. That doesn’t make it a good idea or the objections to it any less relevant. Should goose stepping little fascists like Posner be free to form their own universities complete with draconian speech codes? Sure. That however doesn’t make those universities a good idea or excuse them from being endlessly and ruthlessly mocked and attacked for being so. Posner pulls the typical liberal sophistry of claiming because someone has a right to do something, they should be immune from criticism for doing so.

    Then there is this:

    The campus is an extension of the classroom, and so while the restrictions in the classroom are enforced less vigorously, the underlying pedagogical objective of avoiding intimidation remains intact

    Intimidation is me threatening to harm you if you don’t do what I want. Posner pretends that it is saying something his delicate ears can’t handle. And I am sure Posner is has a great history of objecting to leftists shouting down speakers, NOT.

    You just can’t show enough contempt for this idiot.

    1. He thinks he is knocking the legs out from under the libertarian rebuttal by chalking it all up to “market forces”.

    2. If this were my son, I would demand he change his name and stop calling himself my son. What a pathetic, tyrannical little bastard.

      If you’ve read much of his dad’s theories about “wealth maximization” you’d realize that Richard Posner is himself a pathetic tyrannical bastard.

      1. I have. Posner is actually a wonderful legal writer. He is one of the best legal prose writers since Learnard Hand. Sadly, he has used that talent to propose some utterly idiotic and harmful ideas.

        Posner and Sunstein are the two most dangerous legal thinkers in America. Most leftist legal academics are just morons and thus are unlikely to do much damage to anything or anyone but their students. Susnstein and Posner are both persuasive writers and very smart. That makes their evil and idiotic ideas very dangerous.

        1. I have. Posner is actually a wonderful legal writer. He is one of the best legal prose writers since Learnard Hand. Sadly, he has used that talent to propose some utterly idiotic and harmful ideas.

          The best tyrannical bastards are good at what they do or we wouldn’t even know their name.

        2. Posner and Sunstein are the two most dangerous legal thinkers in America.

          The most dangerous part is the complete lack of hindsight when viewing their works. Read some of Sunstein’s Clinton era work on impeachment. Some of the “worthy of impeachment” stuff made it right into the Obama playback.

          1. Playbook *

          2. “Some of the “worthy of impeachment” stuff made it right into the Obama playback.”

            Overturning law on his whim, the panopticon, specifically targeting journalists, and using the IRS to punish your political enemies.

            Putin hates Obama because he is *jealous* of what he gets away with.

  26. This shit is so infuriating. I couldn’t force myself read it. Did he drag that “soft, mushy, undeveloped child brain” nonsense out?

    How the fuck do they think children’s brains become developed? EXPERIENCE; both good and bad. How the fuck do you learn about gravity if you’re forbidden to ever climb a tree?

    Fuck it. I’m going skiing.

  27. Okay fine, then take their voting rights away from them. Oh, wait, they vote for your team, so I guess they are adult enough to handle THAT.

  28. Slate must provide a fair amount of editorial “freedom” to its columnists. Many columns are headscratchers. Posner’s piece is nothing worse in terms of ridiculousness than your average Dear Prudence post.

  29. What a dick. He’s what Tulpa would have been if Tulpa hadn’t been a complete failure in the academic world.

    1. Hey man, being a community college teacher isn’t a complete failure. Just a total one.

      1. Ok, maybe not a total failure. Just an abject one.

        1. He’s a better teacher than Senor Chang, at least. Right? Right?!?

          1. As if Tulpa could ever manage to get married.

            1. Good point. Though I’m sure he’ll claim Changnesia at some point.

  30. Is it just me, or are the anti-intellectual villains of Ayn Rand popping up more and more? Maybe I’m just more in tune to it. But it can genuinely disturbing to see people actively arguing against the ability of individuals to do great things and to rise above their station. Which is exactly what this guy is doing. I get this ominous feeling reading stuff like this.

    1. It means the Libertarian Moment has arrived.

    2. No its not just you. I used to think that Rand’s problem as a novelist was that her characters were not realistic. Over the last ten years I have come to realize her problem was her characters were too realistic. These people are so appalling you wouldn’t believe them possible.

    3. In the 70s, the Khmer Rouge was making Rand’s dystopias look like Jeffersonian Democracies.

      The only difference between Rand’s anti-intellectual villains and the real ones is that Rand’s enunciate their ideas more clearly.

  31. The article is so bad even the comments at Slate are killing it. When you can’t get the idiots who read and comment on Slate articles to agree with you, you have gone to an epic level of idiocy. These are the same people who used to read Sad Beard and still read Amanda Marcotte and think they are sensible and smart writers.

    The thing is that Posner doesn’t believe any of this. If he did, he would be arguing to raise the voting age and to treat 19 year olds as minors in the criminal court system. He would doesn’t support any of that. Posner is just a tyrant who is pulling this argument out of his ass to justify censoring ideas he doesn’t like. That is it.

    1. “The thing is that Posner doesn’t believe any of this.”

      Sure he did. For Progs, what is true is what is rhetorically convenient in the moment. That’s what truth is for them.

      He totally contradicts himself by the end of his own article, but what matter? His Two Minutes Hate for freedom serves it’s purpose.

  32. First, students who are unhappy with the codes and values on campus can take their views to forums outside of campus?to the town square, for example.

    Even in my day (early 90s) the conventional wisdom was to reside off-campus as soon as humanly possible. And campus was relatively free at the time. Hell, you could smoke in the hallways. “PC” was something your idiot friend of a friend was into – nothing to take seriously.

    1. Posner fails to mention that these codes cover social media and things that have nothing to do with campus.

      And in what other context is that in any way an appropriate answer? Go somewhere else is what you can say if the person doesn’t have the right to be there in the first place. Saying it just begs that question.

      1. Posner fails to mention that these codes cover social media and things that have nothing to do with campus.

        Feature, not bug.

      2. ^this^

        The latest trend is to enforce school policy generally on students’ conduct at all time, even if it doesn’t occur on campus.

  33. ” the underlying pedagogical objective of avoiding intimidation remains intact”

    wow, talk about mistaking being the one with the whip hand for being open minded or liberal.

    wow.

    just wow.

    so, if you express your opinion freely on same sex marriage, that is intimidation, but if the university forbids you from expressing such a view and threatens to kick you out of school for doing so, that is somehow NOT intimidation?

    he’s mistaking tyranny of the other side for tolerance.

    creating a minefield of protected classes, trigger warnings, and acceptable viewpoints is the very essence of intimidation.

    mr posner is simply mistaking forcing dogma of which he happens to approve down the throats of others for being even handed.

    what about those who are offended by having their rights taken?

    his arguments are straw men and rhetorical sleights of hand.

  34. Can we next declare that Slate writers are also children?

  35. Leftists, like Posner, hate and distrust freedom because it requires personal responsibility. They hate free markets and free speech for this same reason.

    Posner is just projecting onto college students his own immaturity and angst about liberty and its consequent freedoms of speech and association.

    Leftists are envious woosies.

    1. Leftists, like Posner, hate and distrust freedom because it requires personal responsibility.

      I’d say it’s more like they hate freedom because they crave the obedience of those they seek to rule.

      -jcr

      1. Yes.

        One thing that really annoys me is when conservatives and libertarians say “Lefties have good intentions, but…”

        NO.

        The intention to control your neighbor through force is the *worst* of all intentions.

  36. Not going to even try to put the tags in – I know that I will mess them up. But from the quoted article:

    “Students who enter college know hardly anything at all?that’s why they need an education.”

    So, let’s look at this a bit. The author is saying that 18 year olds entering college know hardly anything, and that they are at college to learn something. Until they hold that college degree, they are “children.”

    The first thing that popped into my mind – if these people are know-nothing children until they obtain that magical piece of paper, should they be given the right to vote? What if they never go to college to become “educated,” should they ever be allowed to vote? Seems to be a logical conclusion to draw based on Posner’s argument…

    1. If people enter college knowing hardly anything at all, the K through 12 education establishment has some explaining to do.

      Moreover, that is fucking idiotic and untrue. People know plenty when thy are 18. Posner is just being an elitist prick there. Those 18 year olds are just not educated or as knowledgeable as top men like he is.

  37. When did college kids become such huge pussies? I went to college in the 90s and I had one roommate who hung a confederate flag in the window and another who was an Indian (feathers, not dots… And he appreciated that description of distinction). Everybody got along, because we were free to be offensive and didn’t take offense to heart. Some of the most memorable and educational moments were the ones caused by sincere differences of opinion that were brought to light by a crossfire of offensive comments.

    How do college kids find any joy living in this hermetically sealed lab where all of the fun viruses are kept in a vault deep in the earth behind sterilization showers and hazmat suits.

    1. Read what Posner is saying again. He wants college to be about indoctrination, not thinking. Sincere conversations are counterproductive.

      1. The only upside is that he is an idiot. He won’t indoctrinate anyone who wasn’t already a convert. Otherwise, he will just cause people to tune out and mouth whatever platitudes are necessary to graduate.

        He is so stupid and so in love with the smell of his own farts, he thinks an education consisting of him and people like him droning on about the proper way to think is going to do anything but make his students hate and ignore him.

    2. They don’t. What happens is most students just check out and pass the time until they get their credential and can move on. Posner and those like him are destroying education. Nothing is more boring than propaganda. The joy of learning is often rooted in being confronted with views you never considered or disagree with. If school is just an endless drone of PC thought, people will tune it out and dismiss education and learning in general.

      1. I also think that shit like this will lead to more students dropping out of traditional colleges and going to alternative schools/training.

        Here is a new school that my daughter applied to: https://www.primeacademy.io/ We are waiting to see if she was accepted.

        I wish something like this had been around when I was going to school. As someone who has to hire developers, I can tell you something like this school is perfect. When I review resumes now, I only look at the education section out of curiosity. I could care less if they graduated. All I care about is their recent experience.

        1. That is very cool Pope. I should use my GI bill and do something like that. I could never tolerate going back to the classroom. I could, however, do something like that.

          1. I know that if I was a dean of one of the technical programs over at the U of MN shit like this would scare me silly.

            The best part about this training program is that the founders came from a big staff augmentation shop so they have contacts with a lot of the big employers in town.

        2. I’m kind of skeptical about everywhere they use the term “software engineer”, when what I suspect they actually mean is “programmer”.

          I would believe you can turn out a programmer in 18 weeks. I am skeptical that you can turn out a software engineer in 18 weeks. (For me, the difference is all of the deep underlying stuff you get out of a full CS program at a university.)

          *shrug*

    3. Some of the most memorable and educational moments were the ones caused by sincere differences of opinion that were brought to light by a crossfire of offensive comments.

      This is it. Learning often requires an unlearning component, or in the least it requires a challenging of assumptions. Folks who think like Posner are actually preventing education and learning for the purpose of indoctrination.

  38. What about those 18-21 YO people who don’t go to college? Of course people like Posner probably don’t know any of “those people.” I agree with Posner that the coddled children of the chattering classes are generally less mature than their poorer counterparts who enter the workforce after HS, but Posner is still full of shit on the rights issue.

    1. I think that’s covered by the progs’ desire to make college “free”. They want everybody to go. They claim they want everyone to have the education to get a good job, but what they really want is to have everyone in the clutches of a leftist educational system for just that much longer to turn them into “good citizens”.

    2. “What about those 18-21 YO people who don’t go to college?”

      Progs consider them peasants who need to be controlled by their betters. Herd animals.

  39. I will now wait for Posner to start demanding speech codes for drill sergeants and a less rigorous boot camp program. You’re talking to and training immature men who need to be eased into adulthood, darn it. You don’t scream at your children and intimate that they’re sodomites too selfish to give reach-arounds.

    1. You don’t scream at your children and intimate that they’re sodomites too selfish to give reach-arounds.

      Speak for yourself, MJG.

    2. I hope for you sake, MJ, that you weren’t referring to Gunnery Sergeant Hartman when you said “drill sergeants”.

      Gunny Hartman is a fucking drill instructor. Of course, I’m sure that the friendly drill instructors at Parris Island or San Diego will help you learn the difference.

  40. I thought my parents’ approach to the kids reaching adulthood was pretty clear and direct.
    Once we graduated from high-school, we were welcome to live at home so long as we paid room and board. It wasn’t a huge amount of money; the intent was not punishment, merely enough to make it clear the free ride was over.

  41. The Good Citizen Circle of Loving Friends knows what’s best for the community and it is ‘servility to the order of things’…. and we will utilize any method available from progressive ideology to theocratic dogma to condition the collective young mind into the sensible and dutiful that can be led to trod planned societal vectors on the docile journey of non-existence.

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  43. Blatantly fascist, but then Slate is liberal and thus ultimately fascistic. I wonder if they would also concede that if collegians are too infantile to deserve free speech or due process, they’re also too infantile to vote. I guess it’s safe now that they’ve already used them to elect Obama.

  44. Head exploder of the day for sure. Thanks for starting off with the “worry about being offended or raped” comment. I had to get my bearings after reading that line.

  45. If Posner is correct, then these people aren’t capable of understanding how loans work and should never be given loans to go to college.

    Of course, that would wind up putting idiots like Posner out of work.

  46. As ever, I find these ninny’s offendability offensive.

    1. “ninnies'”? Fuck. I dunno. Whatever.

  47. “College Students Are Infants and Deserve Zero Free Speech or Sex Rights, Says Slate”

    Citizens Are Infants and Deserve Zero Free Speech or Sex Rights, Says Progressives

  48. “Students who enter college know hardly anything at all”

    Well gee, “thanks public high school”.

    1. I actually think what’s offensive about this statement is multifold =

      on the level that its confessing the failure of primary education…

      on the level that it presumes that “right knowledge”, rather than the ability to *think*, is what education should be doing…

      on the premise that colleges should be treating their customers as ‘fools who don’t know what they want and should provide no input that challenges their Pedagogical Betters.

      And probably some more if i bothered to think about it more. Fuck this clown.

  49. I know this will likely get lost in here, but I felt like trying a little self promotion today. My comments about Posner’s article can be found here. Basically I argue that Posner’s solution for ignorant and immature students is itself ignorant and immature.

    1. Your ability to link correctly is ….

      forget it.

      1. Damn. I thought I had the code correct. It is just straight HTML.

        http://tinyurl.com/qbhsxem

  50. “an environment where they needn’t worry about being offended or raped”

    The fact he could write this sentence and presume that anyone can “create” an environment completely free of “offensiveness”… assumes that there are effective mechanisms for the control of people’s thoughts

    I mean, his piece *offends* me. WHY DOES SLATE ALLOW THIS??!

    Its achieved with TOP MEN, I can only assume

  51. the Loamy Richness of Slate Comments =


    American Joe 7 minutes ago

    @conspiracygirl

    I honestly cannot figure out what connection this has with the left. Posner just randomly says “the left supports this” then blabs on, never explaining that comment. In other words, it’s bogus. I’m about as left as it gets and I can’t figure out why people are connecting this with progressive politics.

    Ronin 3 minutes ago

    @American Joe @conspiracygirl This is about as progressive as the KKK. As I subscribe to it, progressivism is about directing the mechanisms of society to empower the individual so that they can make social contributions that benefit the collective, which is why we care about things like universal education, healthcare, etc. We want people to be strong so that society can be made strong in turn. “

    Whats it called when you hold two entirely contradictory ideas in your head at the same time?

    1. “Whats it called when you hold two entirely contradictory ideas in your head at the same time?”

      Contradiction is an outmoded concept of western imperialist patriarchal ideology which seeks to impose a value laden hierarchy on discourse, to stifle more genuine, fluid, inclusive, and non-normative narratives.

      A few months education at the Ministry of Love should relieve you of your WrongThink, brother.

      1. Nice…

  52. Seems to me that Posner has probably pissed off the snowflakes enough that they should hound him out of his job. It will be fun to see how this shakes out.

    -jcr

    1. Watching the Progs devour their own in a collective piranha frenzy is one of my favorite forms of entertainment these days.

  53. One should have to apply for a spermit from the university before engaging in sexual relations with a co-ed.

  54. But he is right, perhaps, that all too many students actually want and expect to be treated like children. This is a real problem?worsened by years of letting the hecklers win?not the correct state of emotional development for college students.

    It’s like they don’t even see how they weed themselves out of a future with anything but servitude.

  55. Eric Posner could have saved a lot of wind on those of us who still can’t emotionally absorb what he means by simply saying, “fuck you, pay me.” Nothing goes better with his morning grits than 18 year olds overpaying for their education only to wind up in ungodly amounts of debt by 22… then are ‘romanticized’ enough to go to law school. Sure as shit happy they don’t quite grasp the pain of that, don’t you Eric?

    Also, on the campus rape subject: I went to a frat donkey private school in the South and did a lot of stupid things, along with my other girlfriends in sororities, that could have put us into ‘harm’. There was one terrible rape story and it happened off campus- a student was kidnapped and gang raped by a non student group. Honestly, I heard more about underground male sexual assault amongst frat brothers with each other than I ever did with women. Truth.

  56. My, the apple has fallen very far from the tree. What a shitbag.

  57. Dennis Hopper, who was educated in the era of New Math (I believe) claimed that 60 was the new 40, so I’m thinking it works exponentially as we age, i.e. 18 is the new 9.

    1. It is kinda weird to see an 18 year old girl toting an m16.

  58. I agree and further I say lets ban cars on campus, after all it is an undisputed fact that letting women drive leads to rape.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/n…..38861.html

  59. So wait, he blames the immaturity on helicopter parenting and his proposed solution is……….. more helicopter parenting?

    http://monstrousreprobate.blog…..-cure.html

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