Celia Farber has interviewed cartoonist Robert Crumb about the Charlie Hebdo attack. The whole conversation is worth reading; I'll just highlight Crumb's comments about the cartoons he and his wife, Aline Kominsky-Crumb, drew in response to the massacre:
R. Crumb
Crumb: …All the big newspapers and magazines in American had all agreed, mutually agreed, not to print those offensive cartoons that were in that Charlie Hebdo magazine. They all agreed that they were not going to print those, because they were too insulting to the Prophet. Charlie Hebdo, it didn't have a big circulation. A lot of French people said, "Yes, it was tasteless, but I defend their right to freedom of speech." Yeah, it was tasteless, that's what they say. And perhaps it was. I'm not going to make a career out of baiting some fucking religious fanatics, you know, by insulting their prophet. I wouldn't do that. That seems crazy. But then, after they got killed, I just had to draw that cartoon, you know, showing the Prophet. The cartoon I drew shows me, myself, holding up a cartoon that I've just drawn. A crude drawing of an ass that's labeled "The Hairy Ass of Muhammed." [Laughs.]
Farber: You did what?!
R. Crumb
Crumb: Yeah, I sent that to Liberation, so we'll see what happens. You know, that's the most I've stuck my neck out for a long time…
Farber: Did you discuss that with Aline?
Crumb: I showed it to her, and she said, "Oh, my God, we're going to have to go into hiding." [Laughs.] So, then Aline had this idea for another cartoon, which we also sent to Liberation, a collaboration, that's showing her looking at the drawing saying, "Oh, my God, they're going to come after us! This is terrible…I want to live to see my grandchildren!" And then she has me saying, "Well, it's not that bad. And, besides, they've killed enough cartoonists, maybe they've gotten it out of their system."…
Farber: So why wouldn't you just not do it? Why would you go ahead and submit a cartoon like that? Isn't that really scary and risky?
Crumb: Well—they asked me to. Liberation called me and said, "Crumb, can you do a cartoon for us? About what you think about this, you know, you are a major cartoonist, and you live in France." So I thought about it. I spent a lot of time thinking about it. I'm doing the dishes, or whatever, I was thinking, "What should I do for that cartoon…" I had a lot of ideas. Other people come up with these, you know, clever cartoons that comment on it, like…This one guy did a cartoon showing a bloody dead body laying there, and a radical Muslim standing over him with a Kalashnikov, saying, "He drew first!" Stuff like that. That's good, that's clever, you know, I like that. But, me? I gotta like, you know, when I do something, it has to be more personal. I said, first: "I don't have the courage to make an insulting cartoon of Muhammed."
Then I thought, "OK, I'm the Cowardly Cartoonist….As a Cowardly Cartoonist, I can't make some glib comment like that, you know? I have to, like, make fun of myself. So instead of drawing the face of Muhammed [laughs], I drew the ass of Muhammed. [Laughs.] But then I had myself saying, in small lettering, "Actually, this is the ass of my friend of Mohamid Bakshi, who's a film director in Los Angeles, California." [Mr. Crumb is referencing Ralph Bakshi, the director of animated films including Fritz the Cat and the Lord of the Rings.]
So if they come at me, I'm gonna say, "No, look, it's not Muhammed the Prophet, it's this guy, Mohamid Bakshi."
Crumb also discusses the differences between French and American attitudes toward satire, his fears of a police-state response to the massacre, and more; to read the rest of the interview, go here. His cartoon is below:
R. Crumb
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"Man the fuck up" is actually a really funny comment in the case of Crumb, who's basically built his career on the back of his own paranoid neuroses and fears. Oh, and his fetish for thick legged women.
Our enlightened progtard "artistes" only speak truth to power when they don't stand to lose anything.
When faced with a group of people who respond to their juvenile taunting with violence, suddenly "comedy shouldn't be an act of courage" (thank you, Jon Stewart).
Crumb is the motherfucking god of old-school underground comics; a plethora of genius hardcore imagery unparalleled since its inception and unfortunate decline.
I am not seeing Crumb as a coward. I would imagine plenty of Muslims would want him dead for that cartoon too. And I think Crumb knows that. Indeed, that is the whole point of the cartoon. The cartoonist thinks he is being a coward and drawing something that won't offend but in fact obviously will.
Maybe I am missing it. But I think that is what is going on.
Yes. I got it. And I suppose I'm suppose to appreciate the self-awareness or humility in it, but, at this point, it comes off as a tad bit narcissistic in light of the dead people, imo.
But, as Gilmore pointed out, that seems to be his shtick. So, ok.
That's the way I interpreted it too. He actually made fun of himself to overcome his own cowardice and basically "tricked" himself into drawing an offensive cartoon.
Crumb's career was built on creating offensive shit very few artists had the balls to produce.
He gets the big picture in his old age and you are correct in stating that he is not a coward. He's been a fucking drug-tripping mongoose over his career with a pen in one hand and constant middle finger in the other.
There was a quote yesterday in the New York Observer from a writer who once worked for Charlie Hebdo. He said, "Mad Magazine is to Charlie Hebdo as Taylor Swift is to R. Crumb."
It is impossible for an American to imagine such a publication here. Mad Magazine was to Charlie Hebdo what Taylor Swift is to Robert Crumb. Spy Magazine could have been Charlie Hebdo if only Graydon Carter and Kurt Anderson had had interests other than star fucking. Imagine a Time magazine cover with a drawing of President Obama with his dick out? well Charlie Hebdo did it with the socialist President Francois Hollande after his proclivities to betray every single one of his campaign promises and to govern as a philandering Milton Friedman were revealed.
I miss Spy. But I was happy that years later I could sell my stash of back issues to people who paid me rather more than I paid for the original subscriptions.
It wasn't bad. We don't have Spy anymore and now we have Gawker. Every decade seems to be more retarded than the last. How bad is the publication that looks retarded next to Gawker going to be?
I suspect that anything less than throwing "the rich" into Gulags and giving free government money and 6 month vacations to everyone makes you a "Evil Capitalist Monster" in France.
I don't recall his biopic as having gotten as much out of him about his creative process as this interviewer did. But maybe it was just the special circs.
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Bakhsh, probably not referencing Bakshi.
BAKSHEESH
one of my favorite words
Hmmm. Artists are continually claiming they speak truth to power but when a real opportunity arises they chicken out.
I sympathize with his point of view, but man the fuck up or retire.
uh, he 'retired' to france.
"Man the fuck up" is actually a really funny comment in the case of Crumb, who's basically built his career on the back of his own paranoid neuroses and fears. Oh, and his fetish for thick legged women.
Our enlightened progtard "artistes" only speak truth to power when they don't stand to lose anything.
When faced with a group of people who respond to their juvenile taunting with violence, suddenly "comedy shouldn't be an act of courage" (thank you, Jon Stewart).
They've got Ken & Andy totally whipped in jihad chicken.
Crumb is the motherfucking god of old-school underground comics; a plethora of genius hardcore imagery unparalleled since its inception and unfortunate decline.
Crumb - you shall be spared annihilation, but you shall never work in Hollywood again. - The Voice of Allah
How about an image of Muhammed and God casting terrorists into the pits of Hell?
Why not a triptych of Jesus, Muhammad and The Prophet Joseph Smith doing same?
It wouldn't work. Joe and Mo just end up mocking JC for having only one girlfriend.
I am not seeing Crumb as a coward. I would imagine plenty of Muslims would want him dead for that cartoon too. And I think Crumb knows that. Indeed, that is the whole point of the cartoon. The cartoonist thinks he is being a coward and drawing something that won't offend but in fact obviously will.
Maybe I am missing it. But I think that is what is going on.
I agree. There's several layers to that cartoon: He's sticking his neck out while making a joke about his fears about sticking his neck out.
Yes. I got it. And I suppose I'm suppose to appreciate the self-awareness or humility in it, but, at this point, it comes off as a tad bit narcissistic in light of the dead people, imo.
But, as Gilmore pointed out, that seems to be his shtick. So, ok.
That's the way I interpreted it too. He actually made fun of himself to overcome his own cowardice and basically "tricked" himself into drawing an offensive cartoon.
Crumb's career was built on creating offensive shit very few artists had the balls to produce.
He gets the big picture in his old age and you are correct in stating that he is not a coward. He's been a fucking drug-tripping mongoose over his career with a pen in one hand and constant middle finger in the other.
From the interview:
Ha. So I have a look at that.
Say what now?
A philandering Milton Friedman sounds pretty good to me. Can we bring this Hollande guy in as President of the US?
I miss Spy. But I was happy that years later I could sell my stash of back issues to people who paid me rather more than I paid for the original subscriptions.
It wasn't bad. We don't have Spy anymore and now we have Gawker. Every decade seems to be more retarded than the last. How bad is the publication that looks retarded next to Gawker going to be?
I suspect that anything less than throwing "the rich" into Gulags and giving free government money and 6 month vacations to everyone makes you a "Evil Capitalist Monster" in France.
Ding!
"Mad Magazine is to Charlie Hebdo as Taylor Swift is to R. Crumb."
Holy mixed metaphor, Batman!
Sophisticated European humor:
http://youtu.be/kcSMaNlcDPs?t=5s
Read the whole rant. It gets worse/better from there. It's a bit a like a French version of Agile Cyborg too tripping to understand paragraph breaks.
I just get tired of the whole "look at us edgy, mature Europeans- we put naked people on everything unlike you uncool Americans."
Yeah, so edgy.
So Hollande ended the draft and instituted a negative income tax?
So, Charlie Hebdo was editorially annoyed that Socialism predictably didn't work and Hollande quietly backed away from a good portion of it?
Hollande is to Friedman as Castro is to Washington?
Relevant:
http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly060215.htm
http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly061108.htm
PROTIP: Confusing Hotei with Gautama Buddha the same as ...
confusing Santa Claus with Jesus.
Where does reclining Buddha fit in this scheme?
Quite comfortably.
Can you blame us silly westerners for being confused?
I mean, if Christians put giant statues of Santa Claus next churches...
*next to churches
I just want an ugly Hotei sweater.
All I want for Christmas is my two last births
O Bodhi tree, o Bodhi tree
The Maitreya is coming to town
Deck the halls with yak butter candles
Grandma got run over by a mara
even more relevant
Have to say, I'm a fan of approaches 1 and 4.
I don't recall his biopic as having gotten as much out of him about his creative process as this interviewer did. But maybe it was just the special circs.
I would love to see this biopic where Mohammad discusses his creative process...oh, you mean Crumb.
Used to have a bunch of Crumb wall posters back in the 1970s. Incredible stuff.
My best friend's mother-in-law makes $85 /hour on the internet . She has been out of work for 5 months but last month her pay was $16453 just working on the internet for a few hours.
Visit this website ????? http://www.jobsfish.com