Terrorism

UPDATE: Three Suspects in Charlie Hebdo Shooting Identified, One May Have Surrendered Himself

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*UPDATE: Different authorities in France are saying different things to different people. The U.S. counter-terrorism officials who spoke to NBC News now say they can't confirm what they said they were told. All three suspects may be alive, and the 18-year-old may have surrendered himself to authorities.

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According to U.S. counterterrorism officials, authorities in France have identified three suspects in the armed attack on the headquarters of Charlie Hebdo, which involved three masked gunmen, killing one and apprehending two. Two of the men are in their 30s and related, Said Kouachi and Cherif Kouachi, and the third is 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad.

According to authorities*, two of the gunmen went down a list of names, shooting and killing those present, while the third waited outside the building. After they left the building, one of the gunmen shot a police officer in the middle of the street.

While Paris went into "lockdown" mode today during the hunt for the gunman, that did not appear to come with a "shelter in place" order like the 2012 lockdown of Boston after the marathon bombings did. That order ended up delaying the capture of the surviving Boston bombing suspect because he was able to hide undetected in a backyard boat.

Paris' alert level was set at maximum by the government after the shooting. The Straits Times describes the scene and talks to some residents out during the lockdown:

There are four times fewer tourists than normal. Those who have come tell us they haven't taken the metro," said Ylhan, a 31-year-old working in a nearby luxury store.

"We are in a country where there is freedom of expression," he said. "It's shocking that we are experiencing this in France. Sirens all day—it's frightening."

At the busy Saint Lazare station, about 100 people waited near a deserted platform while bomb experts investigated a suspicious package.

"It's awful, it's awful," said Anne Pajon, a Scot who has lived in Paris for 20 years, having just sent a series of text messages to check on her friends and family.

"It's scary. What's worrying is that we can't do anything. That's terrorism—it hits whatever we do. We cannot prevent it."

A concerned rail worker said they had been asked to remain vigilant, but "what can you do?"

"If something happens, I just hope that they will not shoot at me."

800 soldiers joined 500 armed police officers (many Paris police officers are unarmed) for the manhunt today.

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  1. 800 soldiers joined 500 armed police officers (many Paris police officers are unarmed) for the manhunt today.

    The French will of course need to make the two groups indistinguishable now.

    1. So they’ll completely disarm the police?

  2. If this is true, good for them. I suppose it’s hard to stay inconspicuous once you’ve run around playing SEAL.

    More good news on the fight against Islamist stupidity: ISIS Religious Police Kidnapped in Syria

    Locals took exception to the ban on tobacco products and tortured and beheaded the deputy commander, placing a cigarette in his mouth. Public health advocates everywhere are greatly offended.

    1. Wow. Placing a cigarette in the lips of a severed head. Well, at least they didn’t draw a cartoon about it.

      1. “…because they are arresting people and insulting their dignity for reasons like smoking,” Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP news agency.

        Hmph.

        1. Who’s in charge there Wadil Al-DeBlasio?

        2. sheesh. I was hoping the Syrians would get in a tizzy over some of the other ISIS indignities but I guess it’s a start. Nice to know that when they are sufficiently motivated they can just go ahead and execute a high ranking ISIS commander.

    2. Fantastic. Bit of a remedy for what happened in Paris.

      This is how ISIS will fall. The locals won’t put up with their shit.

  3. Fuck these artist killing turds. Islam hates the arts. It is not surprising that the Imams of the strangest and most repressive religion on earth are brainless snails.

    1. Islamic architecture is among the most beautiful and distinctive on earth. Islamic manuscripts are similarly pretty beautiful.

      1. Obviously those folks had way too much time on their hands. 😉

      2. Agreed, but it has the opposite of the intended effect on me. I associate it with their barbarism, so when I see it I don’t marvel at the beauty, I just want to grab a gun.

      3. Wait. What? No Islamic ‘art’ includes the greatest form of all- the human body.

        Shut up and go the fuck away.

      4. I am thoroughly unimpressed.

        Islamic architecture seems to be mostly mosques which is mostly one gigantic room designed is such a way that it then requires about 1000 times more man hours to construct that it really should.

        For the manuscripts, I can’t really tell if they are beautiful, some look like shitty needle-point I tried once when I was 12.

  4. “It’s scary. What’s worrying is that we can’t do anything. That’s terrorism – it hits whatever we do. We cannot prevent it.”

    Shoot back.

    Oh, wait.

  5. “Wednesday’s massacre…is a reminder that jihadism isn’t a distant Middle Eastern phenomenon. There will be many more such attempts at mass murder, and authorities in the U.S. and Europe need broad authority to surveil and interrogate potential plotters to stop them.

    This offends some liberals and libertarians, but imagine the restrictions on liberty that would follow if radical Muslims succeed in blowing up a soccer stadium or half a city. Men willing to execute cartoonists in Paris and 132 children at point-blank range in Peshawar in the name of religion won’t shrink from using more destructive means to impose mass casualties. Better to collect metadata and surveil some people now than deal with public demand for mass Muslim arrests or expulsions after a catastrophe.”

    —-Wall Street Journal

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/is…..1420675706

    Hmmm. I wonder if there any other situations this could apply to?

    Those of us who care about our Second Amendment rights shouldn’t make these kinds of stupid arguments–not to mention those of us who care about our Fourth Amendment rights.

    No, I will not sell my rights short out of fear. I’ve continued to support our Fourth (and Second) Amendment rights despite much worse than this. I am not afraid, but even if I were, I wouldn’t sell my rights down the river like a coward. It’s fucking un-American.

    Americans should be ashamed of their cowardice, but the Wall Street Journal is proud of theirs.

    1. authorities in the U.S. and Europe need broad authority to surveil and interrogate potential plotters

      Emphasis added. Like the OpEd writers at the WSJ?

    2. How noble of you to cower in fear while anonymously giving the government permission to trample everyone else’s rights to save you from the evil terrorists, unnamed WSJ editor. This entire editorial should be replaced with a Charlie Hebdo cover.

    3. Those of us who care about our Second Amendment rights shouldn’t make these kinds of stupid arguments–not to mention those of us who care about our Fourth Amendment rights.

      I’m sorry, but whenever I see video of an incident like this, the first thing I’m struck by (and yes, in this country too) is how helpless people look as gunman calmly walk around killing people.

      Unfortunately, if you really want a great story about private gun owners saving lives in a terrorist shooting spree, you have to cast your eyes to Kenya.

      Sadly, the Kenyan government took a similar approach we take here in the states. SWAT teams hide outside until the shooting stops, then burn the place to the ground, just in case. Meanwhile, a couple of regular dudes with guns save dozens of people while the police wait outside.

      Fuck Dianne Feinstein.

      1. Are you kidding? I wouldn’t fuck Dianne Feinstein with *your* dick.

    4. We could also just refuse to give up our rights both when publishers are killed and IF a football stadium is blown up.

      1. American Muslims weren’t rounded up and put in internment camps after 9/11.

        If they had been, I suspect American voters wouldn’t have stood for it, and I suspect that’s one of the reasons why American Muslims weren’t rounded up and put in internment camps after 9/11.

        Why should the WSJ assume Americans are more cowardly now than we were then?

        Maybe they’re just assuming we’re as cowardly as they are.

    5. That sniveling cowardice is almost more offensive to me than the Islamists.

      Seriously, fuck the WSJ. Whoever penned that should have to run a gauntlet.

  6. “It’s scary. What’s worrying is that we can’t do anything. That’s terrorism – it hits whatever we do. We cannot prevent it.”

    Well it’s clear to me, we need to have TSA-style security for everything.

    1. Well, we’ll have start with providing TSA-style security for the TSA, which will require TSA-style security for the TSA security providers, which will require TSA-style security for the security providers for the TSA security providers, ….

      Pretty soon there won’t be enough personnel to deal with normal people, and the terrorists will win.

      1. And The Prophet Obama will have created millions of dues-paying union jobs.

  7. I don’t understand reporters. Why would US officials be the first to know what is going on in France? Use some common sense…

    1. Well, in U.S. officials’ defense, depending on the French government’s official information isn’t always reliably pro-Obama.

      And having Obama in the White House certainly does simplify the news cycle, here.

      Obama just makes whatever official statement he wants, and it’s up to the American media to make it seem true somehow. I’m not sure the White House can depend on French officials or French media the same way…

      So why leave it up to the French when U.S. officials can write whatever headlines Obama wants tonight? And if it’s better for the news to be something else tomorrow, then Obama can just say something else tomorrow.

      Don’t you know anything about “journalism”?

  8. Advice to France: give these dipshits a fair trial, and bring back the Guillotine. Show these jihadis how decapitation is done.

    1. Yeah, I think these guys’ chances of ever seeing the inside of a courtroom are about the same as Osama bin Laden’s were–and for the exact same reason.

      How many terrorist attacks–demanding ObL’s release–were averted by dumping his corpse somewhere over the Pacific Ocean?

  9. Point taken.

    I’m grumpy and drunk, and navigating the winding path between due process for all, and having these motherfuckers killed on sight with extreme prejudice. Fair trial and Guillotine is my compromise.

    1. We truly are brethern in more than nom de plume.

      1. Death to those who kill French parodists! Allahu Charb, Cabu, Honor?, Tignous, and Wolinski!

  10. I’m grumpy and drunk

    So it’s Tuesday. Uh… Wednesday.

      1. Yeah, that’s it.

        1. Didn’t comment yesterday. Could be wrong..

  11. Suspects to the cops: They drew first!

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