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Catholic League President Bill Donohue on Charlie Hebdo: 'Muslims Are Right to Be Angry'

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Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, blamed the horrific murders of a dozen employees of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo on… Charlie Hebdo.

No, really.

"It is too bad that he didn't understand the role he played in his tragic death," said Donohue of Stephane Charbonnier, Charlie Hebdo's publisher. "In 2012, when asked why he insults Muslims, he said, 'Muhammad isn't sacred to me.' Had he not been so narcissistic, he may still be alive. Muhammad isn't sacred to me, either, but it would never occur to me to deliberately insult Muslims by trashing him."

In his statement—titled "Muslims Are Right to Be Angry"—Donohue stridently condemned the killing of journalists over "gross" insults. But he condemned the insults with equal fervor:

Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated. But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.

Those who work at this newspaper have a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning of public figures, and this is especially true of their depictions of religious figures. For example, they have shown nuns masturbating and popes wearing condoms. They have also shown Muhammad in pornographic poses.

While some Muslims today object to any depiction of the Prophet, others do not. Moreover, visual representations of him are not proscribed by the Koran. What unites Muslims in their anger against Charlie Hebdo is the vulgar manner in which Muhammad has been portrayed. What they object to is being intentionally insulted over the course of many years. On this aspect, I am in total agreement with them.

Long-time readers of Reason know that Donohue has been pro-censorship for years, despite his claims to the contrary. His Catholic League has repeatedly tried to get the FCC to shut down anyone who offends his religion, even in trivial ways. And Donohue previously supported media efforts to protect the sensibilities of Muslims by censoring cartoons that blasphemed them.

But this is cold, even by Donohue standards.

Hat tip: Chuck Ross / The Daily Caller

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  1. But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.

    Unconscious self-parody for the win! Good work Donohue.

    1. Don’t you go being intolerant to his intolerance of intolerance, Tonio. That’s just being an asshole.

      1. So, it’s intolerance all the way down?

        I thought it was turtles…

          1. “You hush up your mouth!” howled the mighty King Yertle. “You’ve no right to talk to the world’s highest turtle. I rule from the clouds! Over land! Over sea! There’s nothing, no, NOTHING, that’s higher than me!”

    2. I hear Donohue is a sheep-fucker.

      1. One of my proudest moments of my life was being a Co-Defendant with Reason.

      2. We must condemn unequivocally sheep f-ing. BUT…neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provokes sheep f-ing.

        1. I know! Women need to be more sexually receptive to the average Scot’s advances.

  2. A useful reminder that there is always a coherent connection between religious extremists when it comes to some core issues, even if there are gigantic disagreements with theology and methods.

    1. “Coherent” is not a word that applies here.

    2. connection between religious extremists when it comes to some core issues

      Not only extremists – today the superstitious sense that magical thinking generally has to be defended – so not only louts like donohue but more sober woo-woo dupes inappropriately jump into ax-grinding mode out of anxiety over their own peculiar subset of irrational beliefs.

  3. I believe the clinical term for this type of person is ‘spineless cunt’.

    P.S.
    Titty fucking Christ.

    1. Donohue isn’t spineless in the sense that people saying “don’t make them mad or they’ll kill us!” are.

      If he’s spineless in anything, it’s that he believes in the morality of heretic-burning as much as any Muslim extremist, but isn’t willing to risk the secular consequences of that course of action.

    2. Donahue isn’t spineless, he is evil and advocates evil.

      1. Donahue absolutely must respect and defend the irrational bullshit which is Islam, in order to peddle the irrational bullshit which is Catholicism.

  4. I wonder whether there is any person or group of people whom Donohue and his organization have intentionally insulted over the course of many years. Why? Oh, just idle curiosity, really.

    1. Besides everyone that values freedom of expression, you mean?

  5. He should be writing for the Financial Times, they value censorship too.

  6. Donahue is offensive to my my views on anti-censorship. No one should publish anything he says.

  7. Fuck him and all the knee touchers he rode in with. And fuck all these groveling little taint twirlers.

    1. ‘Taint twirlers’?

      If I understood that, I would steal it if only for the alliteration…

      I know what a taint is, and what twirling is – but how do you twirl one?

      1. A Sit ‘n Spin?

      2. It’s the hair you twirl. The taint hair.

        1. That’s really a thing?

          How prevalent is taint hair?

          [Adds to list of questions he never thought he’d ask…]

          1. Everyone has taint hair, unless you remove it, like Warty did. With lasers. Orbital lasers.

          2. [Adds to list of questions he never thought he’d ask…]

            Definitely not a first date, “getting to know you” kind of topic

        2. It’s the hair you twirl.

          I curl mine.

    2. Knee touchers? Is that alluding to the thigh gap discussion from yesterday?

      1. Knee touchers?

        An allusion to the height of the children they molest?

        1. Now, they’re no touchin’ the lambs! Nae, not tha’! Only fully-grown sheep, ewes and such!

          OH! You didn’t mean the Scots….never mind…

  8. As a lover of freedom Donahue’s argument offends me. But his argument is also compelling enough that I think we’re justified string him up! Then we the Libertarian Party can put out a press release lightly condemning my actions and then proceeding to excuse it as an expression of libertarians’ righteous anger.

  9. But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction

    You mean that kind of intolerance called free speech? That allows me to say things like ‘The Pope is a goofy old clown who sucks donkey testicles’?

    1. ‘The Pope is a goofy old clown who sucks donkey testicles’?

      And Bill Donahue is a sheep fucking taint licker.

    2. Bill Donahue is a Catholic; he doesn’t approve of free speech, or any kind of freedom.

  10. Donohue has never met a neck he didn’t think wouldn’t look better with a boot on it.

    1. Or at least a red Cardinal’s shoe…

      1. So velvety soft, yet so unyielding

        1. The Lord’s boot on earth!

  11. But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.

    Now THIS is victim blaming.

  12. Have we reached peak derp yet?

    1. Hahahahahahaha.

    2. No such thing.

      1. I feel that we are rapidly approaching the derp singularity.

  13. Charlie Hebdo did a wonderful service to us all by making it very, very obvious who the scumbags are. It’s like all the worst people on the left and right came together today in an orgy of evil.

    I was checking out Hot Air, for example, and the actual writers over there kept their heads. However, there were people in the comments section literally advocating anti-Muslim genocide and the forced repatriation of all Muslims.

    Yeah, I’m sure that would work. There are only a couple hundred thousand Muslims in Paris. It should be a fucking snap to round them all up and ship them back to Afghanistan.

    If that doesn’t work, we could always keep them closer to home in a place where they can do us no harm. We could ‘concentrate’ them in some sort of ‘camp.’ I’m not sure what we’d call such a place, but the Hot Air commenters probably have some ideas.

    1. Stay away from there, Irish. It’s the right wing version of the comments in Balloon Juice.

      1. Once in a while, it’s nice to really gaze into the abyss.

        It reminds you where the boundaries are. If I ever start nodding along in acceptance to a Hot Air comment section, I know it’s time to leave the computer, go outside and hug a puppy or something.

    2. We could ‘concentrate’ them in some sort of ‘camp.’

      The Boy Scout Jamboree?

      1. Do you have any idea how common pedophilia is in the Muslim world? Talk about the fox guarding the hen house.

      2. A screening of ‘The Rocky Horror Picture Show’?

    3. In all fairness there were people here, while not actually calling for such genocide, were positively salivating over the possibility of that happening.

      1. Really? I didn’t see that. I’m one of the most anti-Islam people here, and I’d never make that kind of argument.

        1. Cytotoxic maybe?

        2. It was one of the early morning threads, I think. A circle jerk of ban the Mooslems.

      2. That’s true, but the difference is that while the Hit&Runpublicans; have multiplied in recent years, that sort of GO TEAM RED KULTUR WAR YAYYY idiot is still loathed around here.

  14. So when the censors come for Donohue due to his criticism of gay rights, I shall shed no tears.

    Hey Donohue, hang the fuckin’ Pope!

    1. I shall. Because when Donohue loses rights, we all lose rights.

  15. What a fine spokesman for Catholicism.

    1. The “Catholic League” – whatever that is. I thought the Catholic League ended up getting finished off at Rocroi?

      1. I thought that was the Opus Dei

        1. The Opus Dei fought in Flanders against the French?!

          1. I read the Da Vinci Code, I know what I’m talking about dammit.

      2. I bet Eddie would know.

  16. Donahue’s probably just secretly happy that the muslims were around to do his dirty work for him. Fuck him up the ass with a rusty chainsaw.

    1. Oh, this is a win-win for Donohue. He not only gets to condemn a rival religion for violence, but call for censorship of anti-religious speech as well.

      1. It’s disgusting to think that anyone wins when people are murdered for expression.

      2. Yep. He’s probably harder than a diamond in an ice storm right about now. That might explain why he would actually write something so mond bogglingly stupid: all the blood flow is going to his massive erection.

        1. *mind, not “mond”.

  17. Religion is a set of ideas and opinions one chooses to hold about the world….I am no more obliged to respect, or to forego mocking, your religious beliefs than your political ideology.

    1. As long as someone isn’t pushing to have their religious beliefs backed up with government force, I could care less what they are.
      Political views on the other hand, well by definition the person wants them backed up with government force.
      So I really don’t see much of a similarity between the two.

      1. There is a lot of overlap between the two. Especially among Catholics and Muslims.

        1. Some Catholics 🙂

          1. Yes. Very generally speaking.

        2. Many manage to keep it to themselves.

    2. “Religion is a set of ideas and opinions one chooses to hold about the world….I am no more obliged to respect, or to forego mocking, your religious beliefs than your political ideology.”

      You belittle your limits and obligations. As a rational human being, you are not only permitted to rape irrationality, you are obliged to shit on it too.

  18. Who knew that Donohue and Obama had so much in common?

  19. A Catholic friend of mine posted an article the other week on Facebook from Mr. Donohue talking about how wonderful the police are and how terrible it is that people are questioning them.

    Fuck that guy.

    1. I think it fascinating that the Catholic League’s mission seems to be to repudiate one of Christ’s most powerful acts: repudiating the temptation to rule all the kingdoms of the Earth.

      The fact that the Catholic hierarchy blesses this indubitably heretical organization is pretty appalling.

    2. The police are still disproportionately Southern Irish, aren’t they? That would explain Donohue’s cop-fellating.

  20. Every time I step into a Catholic church I marvel at all the graven images.

    1. And the graven image you-know-who —
      with His plastic crucifix —
      he’s got him fixed —
      confuses me as to who and where and why —
      as to how he gets his kicks.

      1. I love that song.

      2. -Confessing to the endless sin
        The endless whining sounds-

        I discovered Tull at age 14 and the music and lyrics of that flute playing mothertrucker are definitely some of the bigger influences in my life.

    2. At a company that I used to work for, everyone suddenly went on this religious kick, everyone had to get religious and choose a religtion. I didn’t play and didn’t really understand how this came about. I think it started with the CEO of the company and then spread like a virus.

      Lutheran was a popular choice because apparently, they are allowed to drink like fish.

      So one lady that I talked to a lot, I guess I could say a friend, work friend anyway, decided that she wanted to be Catholic. Then she got worried about what she was going to do for Lent. I told her don’t worry, I have this roller for that. She didn’t think it was funny.

      I told them that I was inventing my own religion, and that my religion says I can do whatever the fuck I want. They didn’t think that was funny either.

      1. That’s bizarre.

        1. It was, but I swear it happened. Everyone starting talking and getting worried about what religion they had to be. It’s one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen. I seemed to be the only one not affected by it.

          1. Rasta, mon! Rasta!

            1. Hedonist is always a good choice.

          2. It’s shit like this that reminds me how much of an outlier libertarianism actually is.

            1. It’s like one lady trying to convince herself that she had to be Lutheran because they could drink a lot. I said ‘I’m not Lutheran and I can already drink how much I like, what the fuck is wrong with you?’. And she was like ‘oh, be serious, this is serious’! It was like some sort of mass hysteria.

              1. Was everyone in fear of some imminent catastrophe?

                1. I don’t think so. It started with the CEO. He was running around talking about what it means to be a Christian. Almost made me bust out laughing, what an asshole. Guy was definitely not a Christian. Then a couple of other middle managers suddenly converted to something or other and then it went viral. But as I expected, a couple of months later everyone had lost all of their religion. Except for the ones who were already genuinely religious.

                  1. How weak willed do you have to be to get swept up in that?

          3. It’s one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen. I seemed to be the only one not affected by it.

            Was there an all hands meeting that you missed just before everyone went on their religion kick? Maybe they were all hypnotized or something. Or replaced with doubles like some kind of weird body snatcher style episode.

      2. Catholics are actively encouraged to drink like fish, though.

    3. The graven images are the only reason I have ever been in a catholic church.

      1. I go for the hors d’ouvres they serve during communion. Delish!

        1. I was just thinking about it and I really don’t think I have ever been to a Catholic church other than grand European cathedrals. Not that I’ve specifically avoided it, it just worked out that way.

          1. For some real fun, check out the Orthodox churches in Serbia. Mysticism out the ying yang.

        2. Body of Christ with Cheese?

  21. 15 years ago, the Sensation art exhibit included a Virgin Mary covered in vaginas and elephant dung. Donohue objected, and the goodthinkers criticized him mercilessly. A few months later, it was the 2000 presidential primaries, and George W. Bush spoke at Bob Jones University. Donohue complained, and the goodthinkers praised him because while it’s OK for artists to hate on Catholics, it’s not OK for fundamentalist Christians to do so.

    Later that year, women strolled past Catholic churches in Rome, doing the whole “Keep your rosaries off our ovaries” thing in a deliberate attempt to offend Catholics. This was praised. A bunch of Protestants in Northern Ireland strolled past Catholic churches reveling in some 300-year-old battle, in a deliberate attempt to offend Catholics. This was deemed unspeakably horrible.

    1. Awful lot of passive voice in your second paragraph.

      1. And an awful lot of “strolling”.

        Can’t spell “stroll” without “troll”….

  22. I find people who don’t defend free expression very offensive.

    Maybe someone will go murder him. Apparently he is OK with that sort of thing.

    We really do need another Draw Mohammed Day.

    1. Actually, yes we do. We need to flood them with outrage so that they have so many targets they can’t hit them all.

    2. We really do need another Draw Mohammed Day.

      Yeah, I was thinking exactly this. Still remember the last one – “Ce n’est pas Mohammed!”

    3. Maybe Mohammed Porn Day instead. Oh wait, most of that probably would be illegal under various kiddie protection laws.

      1. Why do you have the camels?

        1. hate, damnit.

          1. Well, in defense, you can’t fuck a camel if you don’t have a camel.

            1. Never trust a man who’d walk a mile for a camel – if he doesn’t smoke.

        2. I couldn’t think of a way to fit Mohammed into my favorite joke about camels, but I will tell it anyway.

          Why are camels called the ships of the desert?

          Because they are full of Arab semen.

          I suppose you could say “Muslim semen”, but that seems forced and doesn’t flow as well.

    4. We should have back-to-back Draw Muhammad Day and Name Kirby Delauter Day.

  23. Harvard professor OK with the Paris attacks, too.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/01…..te-speech/

    1. …That guy’s an assistant professor at Shimer college.

      Where’d you get Harvard?

      1. Shimer College, Hahvahd – whatever

      2. Ugh. I have no idea why I typed that. Being up since 3 a.m. may have something to do with it.

    2. Shimer College =|= Harvard…but a jagoff just the same.

    3. The proggies think that the Jihadists are their friends. A true sign of Insanity.

      1. When your political philosophy places a priority on victim status above actual principles, you’re going to get some strange bedfellows.

        1. Well, most progs would look better in burquas, so there’s that anyway.

  24. Fuck, I had to get off the Twitter for all the retweets of maroons (most all Brits that I saw) who fully…not “supported”….but…”understood” the murders.

    “Well, those edgy fuckers – they had it comin’. Deliberately provokin’ people like that. What did they fink would happen, eh?”

    Fuck every, single person who thinks like that. And may they get their fucking heads cut off by someone offended by what they’ve said, the useless fucks.

  25. WHAT…A…DICK!!!

  26. WTF, Donohue, now I as a Catholic am expected to account for your behavior? There should be no linkage whatsoever between the murders and the speech of the victims. Murder is a crime, and crime should be punished. Period. Fuck the rationalizations.

    I’ve stood up for Donohue and the Catholic League, and will probably do so in the future. But I will forfeit my credibility if I defend him in this instance.

  27. Now, bear in mind that libertarians find it quite easy to defend a magazine that doesn’t offend them.

    I would hope that Reason would give equivalent coverage to violence against Indian Christians, as covered by the fundamentalists at the Washington Post:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..story.html

    1. From the right-win Sky-Daddy worshippers at National Geographic:

      “Ergun had just counseled a family that had trouble sleeping because of “the death, murder that they faced in their eyes,” he says. He provided a Bible in Arabic and encouraged them to read the Lord’s Prayer before bed. “After they read the Bible,” he says, they started to find some comfort.”

      http://news.nationalgeographic…..at-turkey/

      1. “Anti-Christian violence in 2014 saw a transformation from under-told news coverage, to routine reports of radical Islamists seeking to obliterate Christianity’s presence.

        “Religious freedom experts captured the dire situation of Middle Eastern Christians in comments on Friday to The Jerusalem Post.

        “”Persecution no longer adequately describes the treatment of Christians in a growing number of Muslim areas.

        “Religious cleansing, a type of cultural genocide, which is a crime against humanity, is the more accurate description.”

        http://www.jpost.com/Middle-Ea…..ans-385924

  28. Thank you Mr. Donahue for reminding me why I am not a Catholic. And screw the Catholic league if this clown isn’t fired or giving a tear filled apology for this within 24 hours.

    1. Donohue IS the Catholic League AFAICT. That would be like firing Jim Dobson from the FRC. He’s not going anywhere.

    2. No disrespect, John, but you’re an Episcopalian, right?

        1. If I were religious, I would go full Episcopalian. It’s the most stylish religion by far.

      1. No way. I am the worst iconoclastic mongrel Christian on earth. I manage to disagree with pretty much every sect of Christianity in some way or another. I would call myself a Lutheran or Disciples of Christ as much as anything because that is what my parents were.

        In another age, I would have been burned at the stake or thrown into the wilderness long ago.

        1. No need for that – while Roger Williams is an important figure in the history of religious freedom, he took things to an extreme by rejecting any form of organized religious denomination. None of the denominations suited his Calvinist desire for a community of Saints.

          As to the corruptions of the Church:

          “I tell thee, so far as I was able to carry my investigations, holiness, devotion, good works or exemplary living in any kind was nowhere to be found in any clerk; but only lewdness, avarice, gluttony, and the like, and worse, if worse may be, appeared to be held in such honour of all, that (to my thinking) the place is a centre of diabolical rather than of divine activities. To the best of my judgment, your Pastor, and by consequence all that are about him devote all their zeal and ingenuity and subtlety to devise how best and most speedily they may bring the Christian religion to nought and banish it from the world. And because I see that what they so zealously endeavour does not come to pass, but that on the contrary your religion continually grows, and shines more and more clear, therein I seem to discern a very evident token that it, rather than any other, as being more true and holy than any other, has the Holy Spirit for its foundation and support.”

          http://www.brown.edu/Departmen…..2&lang=eng

          1. The Lillies of the Field. God will take care of the church. Catholics have been trying to destroy it for nearly 2000 years and they still haven’t managed to do it.

        2. The perfect hell for John would be to throw him in a pit of Kiera Knightlys

    3. Donahue went off the deep end this time. I’m not going to defend him. He’s said a lot of good things, but this isn’t one of them. To put it mildly.

      But in an institution made up of human beings, i.e. sinners, and with such a large membership, you’re going to have to expect some of the members to slip up. Why punish yourself for *their* sins by refusing to consider the claims of the Church?

      1. It is distinctly unChristian to say that these people had a right to be angry. When people blaspheme Christ, it shouldn’t make me angry. It should make me feel sorry for them or sympathetic towards them.

        I am pretty sure God can take care of himself. And I am also pretty sure that Jesus told us to love our enemies. I of course fail in that regard every single day. But my continued failure doesn’t make it right, it just make me a failure.

        1. But my continued failure doesn’t make it right, it just make me a failure human.

          FTFY.

        2. As an afficionado of Church history, I know about the hypocrites, the evildoers, the Cardinal Richlieus, the Torquemadas, the Renaissance Popes, and even the occasional slips of the Donahues.

          It’s not a pleasant prospect to contemplate. But neither are my own sins.

          So the key issue is whether these evildoers were *fulfilling* the teachings of their religion, or *betraying* said teachings.

        3. I am pretty sure God can take care of himself.

          This! I never understood why the fuck people get offended on God’s behalf. If he is all powerful and shit, you’d think he could take care of himself.

  29. That’s it, now I am really starting my own religion. I’m calling it The Man Church. No wiminz folk allowed unless they are whores or strippers. Or cleaning ladies. On Sundays we go to church and drink, whore, and do drugs like total heathens. It’s our way to purify our soul. And everything is legal for us because otherwise it impends on our religious freedoms. I need to come up for a name for our prophet. Ok, whoever comes up with the winning name for the prophet of The Man Church gets free beer and whores, forever.

    1. whoever comes up with the winning name for the prophet of The Man Church gets free beer and whores, forever.

      SugarFree?

      No wiminz folk allowed unless they are whores or strippers. Or cleaning ladies. On Sundays we go to church and drink, whore, and do drugs like total heathens.

      Doesn’t that describe the Libertarian Party? Except that they don’t meet exclusively on Sundays.

      1. The Jacket?

    2. The Prophet of the Man Church, Andrew WK.

      *mic drop – snorts a HUGE fucking line*

    3. Obadiah Mann. But it should be the Church of Mann.

  30. And this is why Catholics aren’t Christian.

  31. Where are Matt and Trey when you need them?

  32. Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated. But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.

    You do that by not buying the magazine. Period.

  33. Why is it that founding father Thomas Jefferson, who had much less scientific evidence than we do today, knew that religion was nonsense, and so many people today still do not know it?

    “..And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter…”

    Letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams
    April 11, 1823

    “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own” Thomas Jefferson Letter to H. Spafford, 1814

    History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
    — Thomas Jefferson, to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

    The priests of the different religious sects … dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live.
    — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

    A professorship of theology should have no place in our institution.
    — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, October 7, 1814, referring to the University of Virginia

  34. Way to make your fellow Catholics look like a-holes, Bill. Thanks a lot.

  35. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but – WAHHH!!!!! He said a word!!! OMG! He said another word! Kill him!!!

    Most catholics are a-holes – it’s one of the requirements for joining the cult.

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