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Sororities Don't Let Their Girls Drink in the House: Is That Wise?

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The Huffington Post reports that most sororities in the country are dry: They don't let girls have alcohol in the house at all. The national Greek organization that oversees most sororities, the National Panhellenic Conference, has apparently maintained that policy for as long as anyone can remember—it's a staple of a "more Victorian era," according to the organization. Fraternities, on the other hand, have no such prohibition.

Perhaps more surprising: No one seems interested in changing things.

"I hate to say it, but I don't see that changing ever," said Julie Johnson, a committee chairwoman at the NPC.

According to a HuffPost poll, 65 percent of women and 50 percent of men agreed that sororities should remain dry:

Fifty-eight percent of respondents said they agreed that "sorority houses should not be allowed to host parties that serve alcohol." Yet, only 50 percent of men in the poll agreed with the statement, compared with 65 percent of women.

Just 16 percent of female respondents think sororities should be allowed to host alcoholic parties, compared with 32 percent of men, the poll found.

Technically speaking, most residents of both sorority and fraternity houses are under 21 and can't legally drink alcohol anyway. And I'm sure this policy isn't followed uniformly, and is often flouted. But just like the drinking age, a stated no-alcohol policy shifts students' drinking habits—not by stopping them from drinking, but by changing where and when they are more likely to drink. Since sorority sisters aren't supposed to drink at home, and can't host social events with alcohol, and are legally barred from drinking at bars and restaurants, they are driven to parties—at apartments, college town houses, and fraternities—when they want to drink.

It's easy to see why this may not be a socially desirable result. Drinking in a stranger's basement is inherently more dangerous than drinking in the comfort of your own home, or a bar. It seems to me that the kinds of misunderstandings, uncomfortable situations, and outright assaults that befall college women are far more likely to occur when drinking under such conditions. If college girls are going to get drunk at parties no matter what the law says, shouldn't more of those parties be happening on their own turf—in an environment controlled by women, where a potential rape victim is surrounded by girls she knows and lives with?

The so-called "epidemic" of sexual assault on campus is probably exaggerated, given how dubious the statistics are. But campus rape does happen—and when it does, it is almost always the result of blackout drinking. Don't both NPC's alcohol policy and the current legal drinking age incentivize sorority girls to binge drink in the dark, late at night, in unfamiliar, male-dominated environments, away from their sisters?

Some progressives think the best way to fix the problem is to concentrate on what happens right before a potential assault is committed. They are obsessed over the precise words leading up to an assault, and think legislatures should force colleges to police the expression of thoughts and feelings during intimate moments.

Instead of forcing students to say the right words to each other under dangerous and incapacitating drinking conditions, why don't we simply remove the policies that encourage them to drink so irresponsibly?

Read more about the libertarian answer to the campus rape crisis here.

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  1. I recall going to gatherings at college (and elsewhere) and deciding against drinking more than I could handle/control, and I also remember deciding to not drink alcohol at all in certain environments.

    Perhaps I’m missing salient points in Mr. Soave’s article, but shouldn’t this be a question of personal responsibility?

    1. Yes, personal responsibility. It’s really not asking much to expect people to stay in control of their faculties while in unfamiliar and unsympathetic environments. You can drink more heavily when at home and surrounded with friends who have your best interests at heart.

  2. Fuck yes it’s wise. Make them go out into the public where drunken young boys might be allowed to have sex with them.

    Then again, the boys might be accused of rape, so on second thought yes it’s very wise.

    1. wow I fucked that one up. Make of it what you will.

      1. I kinda liked it the way it came out. Lose/lose.

      2. Well, I can make a hat; I can make a broach; I can make a pterodactyl!

  3. So between the War on Women, this apparent epidemic of rape on college campuses, and non-drinking sorority houses does anyone still have sex sober and willingly in the millenial generation?

    MAYBE REASON SHOULD TAKE A PO-……..

    (shoots self in face with shotgun)

    1. does anyone still have sex sober and willingly

      Did they ever, Tman?! DID THEY EVER!?

      1. Tman’s dead, baby…..Tman’s dead.

        1. “Mistah Tman – he dead!”

  4. The so-called “epidemic” of sexual assault on campus is probably exaggerated, given how dubious the statistics are.

    But … I’m dying to know what millenials think.

  5. It’s genius. Sorority girls never have to pay for drinks.

  6. But what do millenials think? It’s not like the opinion of baby boomers or Gen Xers are relevant in this case.

  7. Most disappointing of all, not a single sorority sister could speak Demotic Greek.

  8. “…incentivize sorority girls to binge drink in the dark, late at night, in unfamiliar, male-dominated environments, away from their sisters?”

    All this sentence is missing is a 1930s thematic score and Bela Lugosi appearing in the background.

    1. All this sentence is missing is a 1930s thematic score

      Paging Ted S., please.

    2. The Perils of Pauline – 2014

  9. Fraternities, on the other hand, have no such prohibition.

    More and more colleges force their local fraternities not to drink in their houses, or face TEH KONSIKWENCES!

    As a father of two girls who recently graduated – both in the same sorority that ostensibly didn’t allow drinking, but turned out some pretty good drinkers – and a son who’s a sophomore and pledged as a freshman, and whose fraternity is NOT allowed to drink in their house (but they somehow manage)….

    I think this is alllll about colleges and Greek orgs trying to avoid the liability, and little to do with campus alleged-rape.

    This started about….mmmm….20 years ago. The suing for kids dying coming back from the ski trip sponsored by one of the fraternities (happened to one of my brothers – his parents sued the college)…it’s just gone downhill (or “improved things”, depending on your perspective) from there.

    Another kid just froze to death at my alma mater after wandering off, drunk, on his own. Guess who got blamed? A fraternity that he was allegedly “seen at” (despite not drinking there – he got drunk in his dorm room by all accounts). But the frat got put on double, not-secret probation. Cause – alcohol death, and we’d better “do something”, cause “we’re gonna fucking get sued again”.

    Whatever. Drink up! The Dean’s coming for a house inspection and we need these Red Solo Cups? gone!

    1. My house got kicked off. Part of that was my fault. I sunk a houseboat, and it made the newspaper.

      1. “OK, now we’ve established where the line is. Good. That’s good to know.”

      2. Did you ever know
        that you’re my hero?

      3. Oh man…bitch… you the fuckin man.

    2. This is entirely about liability and insurance. While fraternities may not have the national coordination on this point that the national Panhel group does for sororities, many fraternities have dry houses on a chapter-by-chapter basis, usually where chapters have had previous problems with hazing, alcohol, or drugs. They do this because insurance companies either flat-out won’t insure a chapter or will do so with astronomical rates if the chapter isn’t dry in its house. (The national policy on this for sororities reflects a “more Victorian” morality, but generally gets sororities cheaper insurance policies than fraternities get.)

      It has nothing to do with sexual assault and everything to do with what insurance companies are willing to underwrite, and at what cost.

    3. My freshman year, some freshman went to a frat party, indulged in the alcohol related activities that typically occur there, and decided to go hang out with a girl he knew. He couldn’t get into the dorm, so he start trying all the doors. The door to an electrical closet was unlocked. So, he went in and stumbled into a transformer and fried himself.

      This happen at the beginning of Feb. They didn’t find his body until after Spring Break at the beginning of April.

      I can’t remember if the parents were thinking of suing the fraternity or not, but it was definitely talked about.

      1. Yep, I remember that one… people got pretty ghoulish about it after two months of not finding him. I remember it being in question whether he was actually at the frat party, solely because the parents were doing the whole “my angel doesn’t drink” schtick. I forget how that debate was put to rest, but it became obvious at one point that the parents were (understandably) delusional. I don’t think they ended up suing the frat, but I’m pretty sure they settled with the university for 6-figures. The fact that the searchers didn’t find the body for 3 months was pretty ridiculous, especially when they had supposedly searched that residence hall top-to-bottom multiple times.

    4. ANIMAL HOUSE!

  10. They’re more than welcome to come drink at my house. Clothing optional.

    1. They’re not supposed to find out until they get there.

  11. does anyone still have sex sober and willingly

    Do morning do-overs count? I had lots and lots and lots of those, in college.
    “Class? Fuck that.”

    1. Brooksie, everyone knows you have no class. 😉

  12. My freshman year, some freshman went to a frat party, indulged in the alcohol related activities that typically occur there, and decided to go hang out with a girl he knew. He couldn’t get into the dorm, so he start trying all the doors. The door to an electrical closet was unlocked. So, he went in and stumbled into a transformer and fried himself.

    This happen at the beginning of Feb. They didn’t find his body until after Spring Break at the beginning of April.

    I remember that story. Purdue? Lafayette?

    1. Yup

  13. What this is about is the tiresome return of the Dry political tripe that created Prohibition and never took any responsibility for the fallout. Raising the drinking age from 18 to 21 always struck me as mindbogglingly stupid (“You can vote, enter into ruinous contracts, and get drafted, but don’t drink for three more years.” Oh, yeah, THAT had no possible downside), and MADD and their ilk have passed up on pushing for real punishment for dangerous drunk drivers (I seem to recall that 90%+ of drunk driving deaths involved a jackass who had already had a drunk driving accident resulting in property damage), to pester people who might, just possibly, have an accident in the future. Which, incidentally, concentrates enforcement at arbitrary points that could otherwise be out looking for idiots weaving across double yellows.

    I don’t drink. I have gout, and alcohol was one of the easier things to give up. But nannyish laws and policies concerning young people drinking are going to push it underground, where it doesn’t show until something awful happens.

    Gods, but I despise busybodies.

    1. But nannyish laws and policies concerning young people drinking are going to push it underground, where it doesn’t show until something awful happens.

      Even more than that, it attaches a stigma that makes it difficult for young drinkers to learn from observing. Going by the law, you can’t teach your 15 year old about drinking responsibly while they’re still in a controlled environment.

  14. “According to a HuffPost poll, 65 percent of women and 50 percent of men agreed that sororities should remain dry:”

    Men and women involved with frats and sororities? Men and women chosen randomly off the street? In college? Illegal Aliens? Belonging to greek houses? Not belonging to houses?

    Who are these men and women and how are they relevant to the national panhellenic conference?

  15. A legitimate issue facing sororities versus fraternities are outdated “brothel” laws in many states. Fraternity members, and even female renters, are allowed to stay/rent during low-utilization periods (e.g. summer/holiday breaks), but sorority member are forces to move because the dwelling is considered a BROTHEL.

  16. According to a HuffPost poll, 65 percent of women and 50 percent of men agreed that sororities should remain dry:

    So did they ask sorority women or did they ask their mothers too? Because, quite frankly, the only opinions that matter are those of sorority women.

    1. Why would you bring their mothers into this you fucking mother fucking slut?

      Fucking Reasonoid with a fat dick for mothers… is their an alert for this? Someone alert the lonely mothers that Anaconda is looose../

  17. Females and alcohol create society rot. Nothing good comes from girls drinking booze. Nothing. So it makes sense for the greater good that bitches be UNboozed.

    /I’m fuckin’ wid ya’ll… I love drunk babes… so does my wife who loves hot studs…

    jes sayin for a dude who loves mmf’s.

  18. Finaly… it is wise to let women drink what the fuck they wish…

    periodiso…

    Are women weak shits? Uncapable.. . Childlike or minors?

    Are women dumb and stupid?

    I see woman as my equal… rahter horrified that all this shit even exists… sorry for being fuked up wit h boooze and maybe some coke

  19. Couldn’t agree more with this post.

    It would make a lot more sense if the fraternities went dry and the sororities were the ones that had the parties with booze. It would put the women in control of the college social scene. The men would have to be on the women’s good side to get invited to parties.

  20. The real solution is to train the guys: If she is so drunk she doesn’t know what she’s doing, let her sleep off the alcohol first and then guilt-trip her in the morning. This sounds just nasty enough to appeal to guys like that.

    Him: I hope you didn’t take it as a rejection last night, it’s just that, you know, you were drinking and I wasn’t sure you knew what you were doing. I figured I better let you sleep off the alcohol first and make sure you’re still willing.

    (The key word here is “willing” because it is the lowest threshold of YES.)

    Her: Well, actually, I don’t remember that, and no, I hardly even know you.

    Him: It figures that somebody as pretty as you are would have to be drunk out of her mind to want me.

    Her: Oh, don’t say that.

    Him: Why not? It’s true.

    (Actually, the truth is even worse. Even when she was drunk out of her mind, she had no interest in him.)

    Him: Anyway, let me fix you some breakfast. I know how to fix hard-boiled eggs.

    Her: Well doesn’t that make you a regular cordon-bleu chef!

    Him: I’ll give you a ride home, either way.

    (He reopens the question even after she says no.)

    Her: Well, may I use your telephone?

    Him: Well, I’ll give you a ride. To answer your question, yes, you may use my telephone, but I’d be happy to give you a ride.

    (How can she call somebody for a ride when he offered? How can she accept his offer when she just broke his heart? These are things she call consider over a delicious plate of hard-boiled eggs.)

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