Gun Rights

Single Mom Who Admitted to Bringing Legal Gun into NJ Now Facing 11+ Years in Prison

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civil rights are whatever al sharpton says they are, apparently
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Shaneen Allen, the mother of two Philadelphia resident who purchased a firearm after being the victim of multiple crimes, is now facing not three but 11.5 years in prison after admitting to police she had the gun in her car when she was stopped while driving in New Jersey. New Jersey is one of several states with strict gun laws and no reciprocity with out-of-state licensing regimes.

A judge refused to place her in a diversion program that would avoid jail time. In fact, it was the same judge, and prosecutor, that decided Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice could enter a diversionary program instead of facing prosecution and possible jail time after getting caught on camera allegedly knocking his then-fiancé unconscious.

Columnists in New Jersey who even bother to cover this horrifying case either make excuses—"this is how the system works" wrote the editorial board of The Press of Atlantic City, arguing only that the three year mandatory-minimum is unjust—or cheering New Jersey's effort to combat illegal guns by trying to throw a single mother with a legal gun in jail for years. "Common sense is not transporting a concealed handgun loaded with outlawed bullets in a state that prohibits same," Bryan Miller writes dismissively at The Courier-Post. The law's the law, he argue, and it was democratically passed and supported. Ignorance is no excuse. Neither, apparently, is the Constitution. Exercising your constitutionally guaranteed right, worse than beating your wife.

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  1. Cops are not your friends!

    The Law is not there to protect you!

      1. And it brings up some interesting questions about about the rights of people and their video vs. the rights of police and whether or not they can take away that video.

        This is what happens when you play the ‘CRA vs. 14th Am. vs. 10th Am. vs. 9th Am.’ game.

        “Rights not specifically enumerated…” trump cards for everyone!

    1. We’re at a tipping point now. Cops have begun actively arresting and jailing innocent people and continue to escalate the rate at which they do so. Eventually popular opinion will weigh in: either we accept this complete loss of liberty or we resign ourselves to the police state that our country has become.

      1. I’m sensing # B coming along.

  2. Still cannot take this article seriously. I can’t stop laughing since reading that her name is “Shaneen.”

    1. You are a fucking idiot.

      1. Thanks for the feedback douche!

      2. But seriously. Shaneen is a ridiculous name. I don’t know how anyone could read that and not immediately think,

        1) that’s not a name, and 2) that’s not even a pretty sounding combination of letters. Shaneen sounds like an onomatopoeia of a sword being unsheathed. It should be in comic sans with an explosion pattern around it and an exclamation point.

        1. It’s a fairly common name for black women.

          1. Wait WHAT!?!?! Where? It’s the ugliest, least name sounding name I have ever read.

            1. It just sounds like a common name for black females to me. I don’t know what you find unusually ugly about it.

              I remember a lot of common white female names that were once common and a lot uglier sounding, like Myrtle, Gertrude, Bertha, etc…

              1. Ya. Those names are gross too. I would find Myrtle equally distracting. I’m having trouble typing right now because it’s hard to even say Myrtle in my regular voice.

            2. It’s a word. Word meanings are arbitrary.

              1. I also laugh at wattage, crinkle, and samovar.

                1. You laugh at a lot of things. We laugh at you.

              2. It’s a word. Word meanings are arbitrary.

                Word phonetics can be arbitrary but word meanings are the opposite of arbitrary. They are precise and describe particular objects, concepts and actions. If you don’t believe me, then ask yourself how you are able to read these words.

            3. If we compare the popularity statistics of SHANEEN to USA’s population statistics, we can estimate that as of August.11.2014 15:40 there are 456 people named as SHANEEN in the United States and the number is increasing by 4 people every year.

              http://www.pokemyname.com/firs…..haneen.htm

              1. No wonder I’ve never heard the name.

          2. It’s a fairly common name for black women.

            citation needed

            I spent years working with young, black inner-city women and never once met a Shaneen.

            1. I don’t think many of them have names that are terribly common. I’d say it’s common for them to have uncommon names. My favorite is Laqueefa. No shit.

        2. Actually, a sword doesn’t make that sound when it’s unsheathed. So you’re kind of a double idiot.

          1. Of course it does. It goes SHANEEN!

            1. What about Shreen?

              1. dude…

        3. Shaneen sounds like an onomatopoeia of a sword being unsheathed.

          Which already makes it 1000 times cooler than a name like “Brian”.

          Jus’ sayin’

          1. Ya. But my name doesn’t distract me from this article!

            1. Even with all the Enns?

              1. ESPECIALLY with all the Enns.

        4. that’s not even a pretty sounding combination of letters

          Yeah, that’s totally the kind of thing that can be assessed objectively and everyone will agree about it.

          1. No one needs to agree! I said I was distracted from the article due to fits of laughing. I was.

            1. How old are you, five? I didn’t even notice the fucking name.

              1. That just means that you are oblivious.

        5. It’s better than “Metallica”

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ent…..525475.stm

          1. Well I think everyone can agree on that.

          2. Maybe not, but it definitely sounds better than ‘Lars’.

            1. Uffda! I think that Ole and Sven would like to have a word with you. No way you can denigrate a fine Norvegian name like that…

              1. Don’t forget about Nels. That’s where my middle name came from.

        6. Aren’t you a professor or something?

          Who cares what her name is? It’s a person.

          Newsflash: Some people from different cultures have names that sound even crazier than “Shaneen”, Jesus didn’t speak English, and “Brian” probably sounds pretty stupid to the large majority of people in the world.

          1. Yes. I am a professor. And a human being. A human being who laughs when he reads an absurd name.

            Perhaps the absurd name didn’t make you laugh. Great! We’re all individuals here. I thought this was a libertarian publication…

            1. Check your privilege and apologize for sounding like a racist.

              For some reason the name Flavio sounds really stupid and abrasive to me, but it’s a common name for guys in Brazil. But every time I hear it, I still cringe at how stupid and awful it sounds.

            2. A professor of what, if I may inquire? As a fellow academic in the field of linguistics, I can tell you that one of the insights of the Structuralist school is that semiotics has an arbitrary nature. Indeed, to find a name “absurd” belies a certain level of unsophistication that one would believe someone devoted to the empirical study of natural phenomenon would have been already removed by the rigors of doctoral study.

              *shrugs* YMMV, I guess.

              1. I can find anything absurd I choose to. And my field is Business. Generally quantitative analysis and finance.

                1. A B-school prof?

                  Say no more.

                  1. You’re just jealous because we get paid better, have better students, and teach something that’s useful in the real world? u mad bro?

                    1. Linguistics isn’t useful in the “real world”? Better tell that to all the cryptologic analysts in intelligence services around the world.

                    2. That’s why schools are totally eliminating their B-Schools and expanding their linguistics departments right?

                    3. What the fuck are you talking about? No one was comparing the two. However, our department just added a full-time professor to our faculty, and we’re doing quite well, thank you. The starting salary for a linguist is around 60,000; if you’re arguing linguists aren’t in demand, you’re a moron. Indeed, just as an example, using data (you’re a quant, right?) from the Department of Labor, interpreter and translator jobs are predicted to grow by 46 percent over the next 10 years; the average rate of growth is 11 percent. So if you’re going to be a prick, at least argue from actual data.

                    4. He’s an angry elf!

                    5. Oh, and we start at about 120k 🙂

                    6. Good for you. No one implied business majors weren’t paid well; you attempted to paint linguistics as some sort of navel-gazing without any sort of utility. That is an absolutely bizarre claim considering how big the fields of intelligence gathering and natural language processing (you’ve heard of computational linguistics?) are. Besides, if I wanted to start at 120,000, I’d just learn Farsi/Dari, Arabic, or Pashto.

                    7. Linguistics was the first field I considered for my doctorate. I love linguistics.

                    8. Ummm, as a linguist who works with some difficult languages, Arabic, Pashto, et al are not just languages that you run right out and pick up over a long weekend…They take a fairly long period of intense study. And you ain’t gonna be making much of Pashto in the future… we are moving towards a glut of linguists in that particular field…

                    9. Ummm, as a linguist who works with some difficult languages, Arabic, Pashto, et al are not just languages that you run right out and pick up over a long weekend

                      I agree. I’m perfectly happy, and well compensated, with my study of the Tai-Kadai language family.

                    10. HM, you make me sad that my Dari has all but vanished, and my Arabic is starting to fade away too 🙁

                    11. My MS was in Computer Science. We built the Internet; what have your students done for the world?

                    12. Good point! All my students do is build extremely diverse and successful (or unsuccessful) businesses from within or from the ground up…nothing important like the internet!

                    13. I would think someone with a Masters in CS would be familiar with the importance of computational linguistics, especially Chomsky’s contributions to formal grammar, to know that your field wouldn’t exist without mine.

              2. And I believe, as a linguistics professor, that you should realize that phenomenon is a singular of the word you were looking for.

                1. Wow. Harsh. On a linguistics prof, no less. I’m a big enough man to admit that HM needs some bactine right about now….

                2. Proofreading a internet forum post written in under a minute is insufferable and as idiotic as laughing at someone’s name.

                  Shall I dreg up the grammar mistakes you made earlier today, which Sevo, I believe, called you out on? They don’t teach you about “Glass Houses and Stones Theory” in B-School?

                  1. Alright, that is it! briannn vs HM : SPELLFIGHT!!!!!!!

                  2. “Proofreading a internet forum…”

                    hehehe. Only took you three words that time!

                    1. Any linguist can tell you that we, generally, don’t give a fuck about prescriptivist grammar, in fact findings from sociolinguistics don’t paint a pretty picture of those who do. (You’re not a middle-aged, upper middle-class woman, are you, brian?) Which is the entire point of this discussion, really, what it takes to have a good laugh at someone’s name because it sounds bizarre to you. A someone who will be facing at least a decade in prison due to an unjust law.

                      Hey! My wife has a non-English name and she isn’t facing prison time…why don’t you laugh at her name? That way you can get your provincial yuks on while not appearing like an insensitive prat. Who says we don’t help each other out?

                    2. I’m 27 and live in Over-The-Rhine. It’s full of hipsters and black people.

                      Why don’t you tell me her name. I might laugh at it.

                      You’re very sensitive. Do you need some Midol?

                    3. It’s Lamyai. And it’s not that I’m sensitive, it’s just that you’re being a prick.

                    4. Lamyai sounds like a delicious Polynesian mash of some sort to me.

                    5. I was close then!

                    6. And it’s not that I’m sensitive

                      You are, or at the very least, come across so. I will never forget the time that I said that I thought that taxpayer funded medical translators were not an appropriate use of taxpayer money and you went all “you just don’t know the importance of linguistics” on me, ignoring the taxpayer funded part in an attempt to look down your nose at someone not as “important” as yourself.

                      When it comes to language, you really are an insufferable asshole.

                    7. Don’t say that too loudly. People will think you’re a racist!

                    8. I will never forget the time that I said that I thought that taxpayer funded medical translators were not an appropriate use of taxpayer money and you went all “you just don’t know the importance of linguistics” on me, ignoring the taxpayer funded part in an attempt to look down your nose at someone not as “important” as yourself.

                      I don’t remember this at all. And I’m skeptical considering I don’t believe taxpayer money should pay for medical translators. Though it makes good sense for a large urban hospital to subscribe to a translator service to avoid potential misunderstandings that could led to malpractice, it need not be subsidized by you and me any more than it already is.

                      Maybe you have me confused with someone else, you pissed me off one day I and decided to troll you, or I was drunk. All three are equally probable scenarios.

                    9. You mean multiple conclusions can be drawn from the same set of assumptions? WOW!

                    10. Cincinnati is amazing. I love the chili and the fountain.

                    11. THANK YOU!

                  3. Hey, you guys stop fighting like little kids on the school yard.

                    As a quasi-wise man once said:

                    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

                    1. It’s good natured (I hope). You grow a thick skin when you’re a libertarian at a University. Even in a business school 🙂

                    2. You grow a thick skin when you’re a libertarian at a University

                      That’s something we can agree on.

                    3. Fucking A Mulatto you are full of yourself. I get that you think your field of interest is sooperdooper important. I love linguistics with a passion myself actually, with special focus on Germanic languages. But I also realize that when you’re in a field whereby 95% of those whom are making a living from it could not do so without state subsidy, that it’s reasonable for people to question it’s usefulness.

                      Where prices do not exist there are no means for economic calculation. The level to which humanities academia and in particular fields like yours have been blown out of proportion by state subsidies, makes it impossible to determine it’s actual level of usefulness. But then again, maybe the Deconstruction of Feminism’s Effect on Eskimo Dialect Substrates actually is the most beneficial use of economic resources in pursuit of academic endeavors.

                    4. But I also realize that when you’re in a field whereby 95% of those whom are making a living from it could not do so without state subsidy, that it’s reasonable for people to question it’s usefulness.

                      That’s horseshit and you know it. International corporations don’t have need for localization and translation of their products? The shelves of Barnes & Noble aren’t filled with “Teach Yourself [insert language here]”? In fact, my second job in the field was completely in the private sector where I worked as a consultant for a Icelandic software company developing a more intelligent news aggregator. I have never not been employed, and the job market is plentiful for folks like me. You’re arguing from your preconception of what linguists do, as opposed to the reality. Would the world stop if we didn’t exist? Of course not, but your attempt to claim that the study of linguistics is mere Ivory Tower puffery is nonsense.

                    5. That’s horseshit and you know it. International corporations don’t have need for localization and translation of their products?

                      There’s no shortage of linguistically gifted professionals in private industry that need not be linguistic professors. You don’t even need to professionally trained by academia to work in this capacity. My wife speaks 4 languages, studied computer programming and makes a living writing and analyzing international legal contracts. She didn’t sit one day in an overpriced humanities professor’s classroom. I realize there is demand, I never said there wasn’t. But that demand is far overblown by government subsidy. Do you really think that there’d be nearly as many humanities professors, departments, colleges and students without subsidies? Does the market really have such a tremendous demand for your field that 100% of your colleagues would have a job when the tax payer funds dry up?

                      . I have never not been employed, and the job market is plentiful for folks like me

                      Well good for you! I wish the government was giving out tax-payer subsidized loans to patronize my business. Then I’d come up with all sorts of less-than-useful products to sell them. Then I could brag about how important we are to consumers.

                    6. You’re one step away from a “roads” fallacy. Do you think a large number of say, engineers, aren’t working in the defense industry? With the leviathan as big as it is to get into pissing matches about free market purity is nonsense. After all, my tax dollars, which were taken from me by threat of deadly force, paid for the road you commute to work on, right?

                    7. You’re one step away from a “roads” fallacy.

                      What!? I’m one step from the roads fallacy, by pointing out the over-inflated sense of worth within academia? Meanwhile you say “Muh linguisticzzzzzzz!” I’m thinking you don’t know what the roads fallacy is. It’s about saying that: “we can’t have roads without government”. Not about the dumb argument that: “because of tax payer funded roads, you’re not allowed to oppose the government”.

                      All I said was that your field is drastically overpopulated due to the distortion of actual market demand for linguistic professors. It’s not about market purity, it’s about 9 out of 10 would-be linguists you’ve ever sat next to in class only having their job in academia because of tax payer subsidies. It’s not necessarily an earth shattering proposition that the subsidy of certain professions tends to overproduce people of a certain profession. That unless you’re a butt hurt Mulatto.

                    8. I’m not sure he’s butt hurt. I think there is a large PMSing contingent that autoreacts at anything even vaguely insensitive. It feels like Salon.

                    9. I’m thinking you don’t know what the roads fallacy is. It’s about saying that: “we can’t have roads without government”. Not about the dumb argument that: “because of tax payer funded roads, you’re not allowed to oppose the government”.

                      That’s two ways of saying the same thing. You know that.

                      All I said was that your field is drastically overpopulated due to the distortion of actual market demand for linguistic professors. It’s not about market purity, it’s about 9 out of 10 would-be linguists you’ve ever sat next to in class only having their job in academia because of tax payer subsidies

                      I agree that financial aid produces perverse incentives. The only reason you brought it up was to position yourself as arguing from higher moral ground as judging yourself (without warrant) as more “useful” to society. Quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck how useful to “society” I am. I only care about how useful I am to those who are willing to give me a paycheck.

                    10. Can we all just agree that none of us is particularly “useful” to society and that, in all honestly, it doesn’t really matter?

                    11. Can we all just agree that none of us is particularly “useful” to society and that, in all honestly, it doesn’t really matter?

                      If you’ll buy this round of drinks.

                    12. I like scotch. You down?

                    13. Well if you’re ever in Cincinnati, just go to MOTR. I will be there shortly no matter what.

                    14. Hey, I just got to Cincinnati! Here for the year for school. Libertarian meetup?

                    15. What school you at? I live in Clifton Heights!

                    16. UC, of course. Doing a Master’s in physiology. Have family in the area, including a cousin who is really active in the liberty scene. I’m in the Clifton area as well haha.

                    17. Yup. Up on Klotter. Spectacular view of the city. Officially OTR, but when I tell anyone that they clam up and say they have “other plans”…

                    18. That’s two ways of saying the same thing. You know that.

                      One is saying if you want civilization’s amenities, you need a state as we know it. The other is saying that someone is a hypocrite for driving on the monopoly road system and then complaining about the monopoly. So… no.

                      The only reason you brought it up was to position yourself as arguing from higher moral ground as judging yourself (without warrant) as more “useful” to society. Quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck how useful to “society” I am. I only care about how useful I am to those who are willing to give me a paycheck.

                      Well no, I brought it up after getting sick to my stomach reading your ego splooge on your keyboard about how important linguist academia is. Let me give you but one of several citable examples of blowhardry in this thread;

                      What the fuck are you talking about? No one was comparing the two. However, our department just added a full-time professor to our faculty, and we’re doing quite well, thank you. The starting salary for a linguist is around 60,000; if you’re arguing linguists aren’t in demand, you’re a moron.

                      That you have new humanities prof at your presumably liberal arts college isn’t an example of linguistics in demand. It only proves my point.

                    19. I only care about how useful I am to those who are willing to give me a paycheck.

                      I suspect the same rationale was used to great effect in justifying paying people to dig holes and fill them back up again. Again I’m not saying linguistics is useless, just that it along with every other school in humanities is grossly bloated with tenured tax feeders. I’m even willing to assume that you’re in the 1/10 who might still have enough marketable skills to remain employed without the government gravy train supporting your branch of academia.

                    20. Er, my Swiss masters work their machinations in 120+ countries – we use linguists…a lot.

                3. I am a Linguistics professor, and ‘phenomenon’ stopped being only singular when Classical Greek died out about eighteen hundred years ago. When words get borrowed the grammar of their original language normally gets left behind. Nobody says cute little babies are ‘cherubim’ either, although that’s the ‘correct’ Hebrew plural.

                  And making fun of someone of a (slightly) different culture whose life is totally F**ked because of asshole law enforcement officials strikes me as totally uncalled for. Just because their name isn’t familiar to you is no reason to sneer at this poor woman, and only reflects badly on you.

                  1. Two linguistics profs on one thread? What’s the odds?

                    1. Two linguistics profs on one thread? What’s the odds?

                      And on a Libertarian thread, where academics fear to tread, at that.

                      We’re going to need a professor of statistics to figure this out.

                    2. I believe Rhywun (or is it Brownyn?) is one of us as well.

                    3. That is neat. If you don’t mind me asking, do you guys have to work in English departments? I only ask because I bet that’s even less fun than being a libertarian academic in general.

                    4. HM, what language family do you study? I find languages fascinating, as do many people. More power to you.

                    5. Hi Ivan. In school I studied the Tai-Kadai language family (Thai, Laotian, etc.). That’s how I ended up in Bangkok for 5 years.

                    6. HM, nice. I’ve worked with linguists in the past and they all seemed decent human beings. Different languages make you look at the world in different ways.

                    7. Well I am a qa prof. That’s statistics 🙂

                  2. I didn’t sneer at her. I said her name was funny. All of these overly sensitive ladies need to get some chocolate chunk ice cream, put on the lifetime original move “Grumpy Cat’s Worst Christmas Ever,” and cry themselves to sleep.

                    1. Take it from me brian, ranks get closed pretty fast around here. It’s not you.

                    2. I think it’s hilarious. Everyone calling out “racist” and “troll!” but then getting their panties in a bunch. I think my typing speed is up to like 150 words a minute from all of the practice I get. I’m freaking out my colleagues now because I can look them in the eye and type at the same time.

                      Thanks haters!

                    3. It’s not you.

                      I don’t know about Briannnn, but it totally is you, Bo.

                    4. Like I said…

                    5. It’s ok Bo. We can go on actually thinking about things instead of having knee jerk reactions a let other people shit themselves in anger. FREE PALESTINE!!!

                    6. Sheesh, don’t start that, or this thread will set some kind of comments record…

                    7. hahahaha. I’m having THE MOST fun today.

                  3. And I guess the dictionary definition isn’t good enough. I wasn’t aware that standard English varied based on profession.

                    1. Hey, I thought that I had stopped this professoriate pissing contest?

                      You guys better stop it, or when I’m voted in as first Supreme Overlord of Libertopia, I’m going to punish you two by not appointing either of you to overpaid czarships with lofty titles where no work is required.

                      I was going to make Brian Emperor of New Cincinnati and HM Token Half Black Minister of Diplomacy.

                      You guys are blowing it.

                    2. I’m sorry Hyperion. I thought you’d like my use of “Grumpy Cat’s Worst Christmas Ever”! I really want the Emperor of New Cincinnati position! I’ll be an obsequious alter boy for 5 whole minutes if that’s what it takes!!!

                    3. No, you were right on that one. Same with “criterion” and “criteria” that people misuse all the time. And in Nathan’s example, people GENERALLY refer to individual babies as “cherubs”… which is CORRECT. Don’t know what the hell he is talking about….

                  4. I am a Linguistics professor, and ‘phenomenon’ stopped being only singular when Classical Greek died out about eighteen hundred years ago. When words get borrowed the grammar of their original language normally gets left behind. Nobody says cute little babies are ‘cherubim’ either, although that’s the ‘correct’ Hebrew plural.

                    This is something of a pet peeve for me, as I once got involved in an internet argument about it. Snobs who know Latin and/or Greek love to point out the correct pluralizations of these words. So I asked this guy who corrected me if he thought all words ought to be pluralized following the borrowed language (ie, should the English plural of pistol be pistoly?), and he answered, ‘Yes, of course’. Well, at least he was consistent. Imagine adding that onto English’s already chaotic spelling and grammar.

                    Not that I think briannnnn is being a snob, just lightheartedly taking the piss.

                    1. I wish I could learn how to bold and italicize on forums.

                    2. I wish I could learn how to bold and italicize on forums.

                      Chrome + reasonable is your friend.

                    3. Chrome + reasonable is your friend.

                      I use HTML

                    4. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

                    5. Word up

                    6. Run Chrome with the Reasonable extension. It also blocks the common trolls.

                    7. Am I a common troll yet???

                  5. Thanks for making the point more eloquently than I did, Geoff.

                    Nobody says cute little babies are ‘cherubim’ either, although that’s the ‘correct’ Hebrew plural.

                    Heh. Last week, I witnessed a dust-up between the /syllabuses/ and /syllabi/ camps. Personally, I am sympathetic with the former as “syllabi” strikes me as hyper-correction. If “syllabus” were present in Classical Latin, based on the Greek it would be 4th declination, if I remember correctly. But again, the amount of shits I give concerning the topic is measured at the quantum scale.

                  6. That’s Geoff for making the point more eloquently than I did.

                    Last week, I witnessed a dust-up between /syllabuses/ and /syllabi/. While I’m sympathetic to the former as the latter strikes me as hyper-correction, the amount of shits I give is measured at the quantum scale.

                    1. well you might claim to be a linguistics professor but you post like a retard.

                      and some of the most closed minded self-assured assholes I’ve ever met have been professors. It’s not something I’d tell people about if I were one.

                    2. I’m a professor! It’s awesome! You only have to work like 22 weeks a year and like 2 or 3 days a week during those weeks. And you get paid ridiculously if you’re in the business school. I highly recommend it.

                    3. Posting to a libertarian website doesn’t compromise your tenure track? Or do you keep accounts with HuffPo and Politico to throw off the inquisitors?

                    4. You keep your head down until you get tenure. Then you just pray to God you don’t have to get a job somewhere else.

      3. Jordan, go easy on the guy: at least today he didn’t use the phrase “black blood“.

        1. HAHAHA! That’s been brought up TWICE now today. I want to point out that I did not originate the “black blood” term. That was our friend Sevo.

        2. This is one of the assholes that ENB was complaining about? I can see why.

          1. That entire thread is a useful piece of asshole-identification.

            1. It’s a useful piece to detect who is unable to identify holes in an argument.

            2. Did I mention what that midnight movie I was headed to was? I saw National Lampoon’s Vacation. It may have been the best movie I’ve ever seen.

              1. You have to admit, if Wally World were a real place, you would have done the same thing!!!

                1. I was talking to the non-racist people, “Brian”. (What kind of fucked up name is that? I can’t even stop laughing.)

                  1. You know, you’re right. Following an argument to ALL of it’s possible conclusions is TOTALLY racist.

                  2. I was talking to the non-racist people, “Brian”. (What kind of fucked up name is that? I can’t even stop laughing.)

                    When you did you make the switch from The Nation commentariat? Recently I assume?

                    1. When you did you make the switch from The Nation commentariat? Recently I assume?

                      The irony here is hilarious.

              2. Yeah, you mentioned it. I played the pool scene over and over in my mind as a young teenager. Loved that movie.

              3. Six of a Kind, Burns&Allen; and WC Fields. Half of NLV was lifted from this classic.

            3. Risking the ire of the reason commentariat, I will defend briannnnn. I followed the whole ENB thread. Re-read it, people. I think the point briannn was making in that thread was that correlation is not causation. I think EVERYONE at H&R has sufficiently freaked out about it (proving that EVEN AMONG LIBERTARIANS race is a touchy subject) and I think we should possibly get that some people were playing devil’s advocate, some were making legitimate points and ALL of us should lighten the fuck up….

              1. I think the point briannn was making in that thread was that correlation is not causation.

                If that was his point, it was made poorly. I’ll refer one to the studies out of George Mason U. (I think? Too lazy to check now.) that show even when accounting for the greater number of Black offenders, Blacks, on average, receive harsher sentences than Whites for the same crime.

                1. Not sayin you are wrong, or that briannnn’s point WASN’T poorly made. It probably was, as NO ONE seemed to get his point once the words “black blood” were typed….
                  Nothing inherently offensive about making your points poorly….

                  1. Sevo said black blood. I repeated it.

                2. It was made perfectly. I would think a linguistics professor could understand how words fit together to create ideas.

                  1. Weak sauce, brian. You have something concrete or useful to say?

                    1. I used that all up yelling about racist cops in Cincinnati and Missouri. For this one, I’m just having funsies.

              2. Yeah, I’m sure that the guy who sees a woman facing years of imprisonment for possessing a handgun and decides that the most important aspect of the story is her “funny” name was just playing devil’s advocate in suggesting that “black blood” might explain crime rates.

                1. As I said, you may need to re-read the thread, dude….

                2. I just didn’t read the article because her name made me laugh really hard. And Sevo brought up black blood. I just said it was as good of an explanation as discrimination if the only statistic you have is population percentages.

              3. The correlation is not causation point was perfectly valid. It was the occam’s razor telling us to suspect “black blood” bit that sets off alarms. There is no more reason to assume that than to assume disparate treatment if all you know is the unequal outcome. There are possibilities besides that stuff, even if you ignore that there is lots of evidence that black people are treated differently by police and courts.

                I think Libertarians (at least those who have any hope of reaching anyone not already in agreement) are right to be touchy about race. I really don’t want to give the assholes who declare everyone not fully on board with progressive orthodoxy ammunition.

                1. I don’t remember putting black blood and occam’s razor together. I think it was propensity to commit crime requires fewer assumptions than systematic discrimination throughout the justice system.

                  Of course, Occam’s razor is a heuristic and proves nothing either way.

          2. Well of course. If she’s dumb enough to think that a disproportionately black prison population automatically suggests racial discrimination in the justice system, then those of us who are not that stupid will probably point it out.

            1. Wait, you think it DOESN’T suggest racial discrimination in the justice system?

              1. No, brian thinks it suggests black people are more likely to commit crimes.

                1. No. Just that it could be either one unless more evidence is provided.

                  1. Just that it could be either one unless more evidence is provided.

                    Here’s the thing, briannnnnn. It’s a blog post. It is fair to assume that people reading such a post will have some knowledge of the context in which things are happening. And there is lots of evidence out there that race is a factor in how people are treated by police and in the legal system.

                    1. Ya, but I was mad at ENB for directly assaulting me the day before so I was lashing out like a spoiled child who had his candy taken away 🙂

              2. Of course not. That’s what that whole thread was about. It suggests either racial discrimination or a higher propensity to commit crimes. But the second possibility was never addressed.

              3. It certainly isn’t “proof,” which most of the people complaining about it seem to believe it is.

                “Shaneen” is a refreshingly normal name for a black person these days. At least it wasn’t LaQuanisha or Barkevious or something.

                Me, I’m astonished that anyone with what appears to be a giant, Outer Limits alien-sized brain got herself into this mess.

                1. Here are some hilarious black names for ya’ Brian.

                  1. Let me guess. It’s not racist because it’s on a show hosted by two (kind of) black men right? Is that how racism works, because the commentors here are muddling my concept of it.

                    1. It’s a funny comedy bit. Relax, sweetie.

                    2. If only everyone could see my lighthearted nature. Alas, we are reduced to the cold, robotic personas suggested by Courier New. Perhaps if we had more font options, things wouldn’t get so far!

    2. Next week, on True Sock Detective: “You ever look into a thread, and see nothing? Sure, the letters are displayed in a mish-mash of color and pixels on this screen you *think* you see. But can you say, with epistemic certainty, that those words belong to that there handle? Trolls are a flat circle. Doomed to wander the vast plains of the web until no response can be gathered from the bait. They’ll do this again, and I think the best thing for the human race to do at this point would be to deny our programming, ignore it.”

      1. Johnny Cueto is better than Clayton Kershaw.

        1. Now that’s just wrong.

          1. Deny your programming.

            1. Cincinnati is waaaaaaay cooler than LA.

              1. Cincy reminds me a lot of Baltimore, except the climate is colder, it’s on a river instead of a bay, and it has more whiteys.

                1. List of top cities in the world:

                  1. Cincinnati.
                  2.
                  3.
                  4.
                  5.
                  6.

                  Sorry, I couldn’t think of any more…

                  1. Cincy doesn’t even make the list of top 6 in the country. You one of them Buckeyes or something?

                    1. Dude. Come down to the Nati. Best city in the world. Best people. Best restaurants. Best everything.

                    2. Best restaurants. Best everything.

                      That’s ridiculous even for a troll.

                    3. Ever been here WTF? I’m totally right. That’s why no one ever leaves the area.

                    4. That’s why no one ever leaves the area.

                      I left.

                    5. Well, I was generalizing. Besides New York, we have the highest percentage of people born here stay here!

                    6. Dude. Come down to the Nati. Best city in the world. Best people. Best restaurants. Best everything.

                      Dude, I practically grew up there. I was born in Ohio and lived there a good portion of my life. Cincy has the best zoo, and some good chili, I’m not sure what else I can commend them for. The Bungals?

                    7. We all know the Bengals suck. But Best restaurants, best music scene, best people BY FAR, best bars. It’s not crowded and big and obnoxious. It’s the fucking shit.

                    8. best people BY FAR

                      Have to disagree with you on that. Being a Buckeye, growing up there, I should know. The best people in the USA are in the South, period.

                    9. You just have to be from here I guess. There’s this local rap song with a refrain that goes “if you’re not from around here don’t even come around here.” I never understood it. But people that didn’t grow up in Cincinnati don’t like the folks here. I think they’re amazing.

                    10. The best people in the USA are in the South, period.

                      Blah, blah, blah. There are loads of both good people and assholes everywhere. Just stop it.

                    11. Good Chili?

                      That is some supreme trolling right there. Chili does not have fucking spaghetti in it. That is goulash.

                    12. BAH!!!!! ANGER STORMMMMM!!!!

                    13. Good Chili?

                      That is some supreme trolling right there. Chili does not have fucking spaghetti in it. That is goulash.

                      Not sure who told you that all Cincinnati Chili has spaghetti in it, but they lied to you.

                    14. You put the chili on top of whatever you want. Spaghetti, hotdogs, it doesn’t matter. it’s still great!

                    15. The only thing that makes Cincy chili remarkable is the presence of pasta and the generally bland flavors.

                      A google search of “cincinnati style chili” gets you pictures of pasta bowls.

                      Regional Chili from anywhere in the southwest is worlds better than your deep-dish soupy spaghetti sauce.

                      Texas style is the bellwether of true chili.

                    16. BOOOOOO!!!!

                    17. Ah, the chili argument. My brother and I were arguing about what “real” chili is (he says it doesn’t have beans). The conclusion we came to is that real chili is dried beef, suet and dried chiles ground and compressed into a brick and reconstituted with water. Everything else is new-fangled affectation.

                    18. Cincinnati is a weird city. I’ve had some of the best nights of my life there. And some of the most awful nights of my life there.

                    19. Cincinnati is a weird city

                      It’s full of Ohio-ans, what would you expect?

                    20. I’m not even sure Cincy is one of the top 6 cities in Ohio.

                      Plus Cincy’s airport is in Kentucky, so I question what state that city is in.

                    21. hahahaha. Yes, CVG (Covington), is not in Cincinnati. Our other airport is 45 minutes north in Dayton, but they both pretty much serve Cincy.

                      And it’s easily number one in Ohio. All I have to do is start listing Ohio cities, and you’ll break down laughing.

                      Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, Columbus, Dayton, Youngstown, Portsmouth…Need I go on?

                    22. Cleveland, Toledo, Akron, Columbus, Dayton, Youngstown, Portsmouth…Need I go on?

                      You take Portsmouth right off that list, mister!

                      But yeah, all of the others are definitely worse than Cincy. You can replace Portsmouth with Cleveland.

                    23. Portsmouth weekend plans:

                      “Let’s go out back and shoot at the stump!”

                    24. Portsmouth weekend plans:

                      “Let’s go out back and shoot at the stump!”

                      And?

                    25. And that’s it. You shoot at the stump.

                  2. It’s a nice town. I was just offered a job there and came this close (holds thumb and forefinger about a millimeter apart) to taking it. The city was very much on the plus side of the equation. If something comes along where I think that the company owner isn’t slightly unhinged, I’d take it.

                    As a Ravens fan, I could have a lot of trolling fun.

                    1. 🙂 Cincy is the Shit OMWC. You (and anyone else) would love it. But don’t hold your breath for the unhinged part…just get a job at Procter. That there is one amazing employer.

                    2. Cincy? To each his own, but have you ever been to some Southern cities?

                    3. Cincy? To each his own, but have you ever been to some Southern cities?

                      I’ll take Nashville as a city to live in over Cincy, no 2nd thoughts required.

                    4. I am biased, but let me suggest you guys check out Charleston (and which one should I hope be obvious).

                    5. Cincy is the greatest city of all time. I have been to enough other cities to make my decision.

                    6. Have you been to Charleson, SC?

                      You really should before you close that inquiry.

                    7. I actually love Charleston. The only reason I put Cincy over Charleston is the downtown area.

                    8. Kansas City is a great metropolitan area. The actual city of KC MO is to be generally avioded, but some of the outlying areas make it one of the finest places I ever lived.

                      Great BBQ and football, a vibrant night-life, generally friendly people.

                    9. P&G wouldn’t even consider me, I’m too old. Gotta be a small company that needs a grownup to keep things in line. This one looked good, very nice products, and they put on the full court press to hire me. But an hour with the owner gave me a bit of unease…

                      I’ve lived a lot of places- grew up in Baltimore, then 6 years in Salt Lake City (grad school), 25 years in California, 3 years in Austin (which actually IS the music capital). Now in the Chicago-Milwaukee axis. So my standards are high.

                    10. Cincy is badass. and take whatever salary they offer you and add 30% to adjust for ridiculously low cost of living.

                2. But, it’s on almost the same exact latitude north and it’s almost the same size in population. Interesting enough, I lived in/near Cincy for many years and somehow wound up in Balmer.

                  Which brings up the fact that your average Cincinnati resident is just about the same amount of dumb as your average Baltimoron.

                  1. HAHAHAHAHA. Yes!

                3. I’m going up to Baltimore this Saturday to try this LP Steamers restaurant. I’ve never had blue crab before, so I’m looking forward to trying some before I head back to CA.

                  1. Well if you get time to stop in Cincy, it’s totally worth it. You might even get to see Johnny pitch!

                    1. No thanks. I just can’t stop laughing at the name Cincinnati. Like omg who would call a city something so unoriginal? Lmfao can’t deal. Trololol

                    2. HAHAHA. It is kind of silly. I mean, it’s a German city for God’s sake!

                  2. I’ve never had blue crab before

                    WTF? Land lubber! Well, you are coming at the right time, it’s peak crab season.

                    I’ve never been to LP Steamers. The best crabs I have ever had here were in Stevensville at a little restaurant beside the bay right after you cross the bridge. I can also recommend Ship’s Cafe in Catonsville for crabs.

                    Whatever the location, go early or you won’t get the big crabs, they will sell out and you’ll get stuck with the little ones that are a lot more difficult to pick, especially if you aren’t a seasoned picker.

                    1. Yeah, I’ve heard from some locals that getting there early is a must. We’re planning on driving up from DC for lunch. I honestly just want an excuse to eat seafood with my hands, drink plenty of beer, and take in the beauty that is the city of Baltimore.

                    2. Los Doyers, the only other thing I can think to tell you is never ever put your fingers near to your eyes when or after you have been eating crabs here, even after you wash your hands really well. I learned this the hard way.

                    3. Because of the Old Bay? Or because I might actually get eye crabs?!?!?!

                    4. Because of the Old Bay?

                      Yes.

              2. During the winter, yes.

              3. Cinvinnati has some of the shittier drivers I’ve ever come across. Up there in Chicago or Seattle quality.

                1. The entire state of Pennsylvania is easily the worst though. They stop in the middle of highway on ramps. It’s terrifying.

                2. Cinvinnati has some of the shittier drivers I’ve ever come across

                  Well, then it’s quite evident that you’ve never driven in Maryland.

                  1. I’ll admit that I haven’t traveled much on the eastern seaboard.

                    1. I’ve driven in every major city in the USA, LA, NY City, Houston, Detroit, Chicago, all of them. New Jersey drivers are the absolute worst, followed closely by Maryland. And the traffic in NOVA is the worst in the country.

        2. Johnny Cueto is better than…

          Johnny Cueto should die in a fire. Slowly.

          Fuck Cueto and that asshat Brandon Phillips too.

          1. Clearly from Saint Louis. Your miserable city is dying. don’t take it out on the best pitcher and second baseman currently playing.

        3. Apparently, Pittsburgh fans find Cueto’s name as funny as Shaneen.

          After already giving up a second inning homerun to Pirates outfielder Marlon Byrd, Cueto, who was having his named mockingly chanted by over 40,000 people, dropped the ball off the mound, much to the delight of the Pittsburgh crowd. On the very next pitch he threw, Cueto gave up another homerun to Pirates catcher Russell Martin, giving Pittsburgh an early 2-0 lead.

          Pittsburgh fans get in Johnny Cueto’s head…

    3. Dude, you probably shouldn’t say (or write) every thought that you have. Just some friendly advice.

      1. But Zeb! Just look what it’s created! I am tickled absolutely pink!

        1. Well, I’ll grant that you manage it pretty well and with good humor.

          1. Please, brian is as funny as late stage bone cancer.

            1. I’ve been hilarious throughout all of this. I am a lighthearted, puppydogish, cherub of a man. I love you for who you are HM. Let’s kiss and make up :*

                1. It can just be on the cheek! Don’t make it weird.

                  1. I’ve heard that line before. Next thing you know, more than the tip is in.

                    1. Ya. But you’ve never hear that line from me

            2. Please, brian is as funny as late stage bone cancer.

              Definitely showing signs of butthurt.

              1. This is one of the most butthurt threads I’ve ever had the pleasure of taking (most of) the credit for!

    4. It’s one thing to think her name is silly. It’s entirely different to laugh at her predicament because of her name.

      You *are* a douche.

      1. I never laughed at her predicament. I didn’t even read about it. Her name made me laugh too hard.

        1. I’m with Brian. Sometimes names are funny. Almost as funny the PC nazi libertarians in this thread.

          1. It’s about time and place.

  3. The Left and the Courts (especially at the trial level) hatred of all things guns is well documented.

  4. I hope Bryan Miller gets ass raped by the law someday.

    1. When he does, we’ll just tell him ‘well, sorry for your misfortune, that’s the law’.

      1. Exactly.

      2. I’d say exactly that, but without the ‘sorry’ part.

  5. it was the same judge, and prosecutor, that decided Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice could enter a diversionary program

    I am 100% certain that this has nothing to do with Ray Rice having a little more money and a NFL team backing him. Our justice system treats everyone exactly the same.

  6. It’s just one nut punch after another today.

    1. More like nut looting today.

  7. Single mom? Don’t you mean “single minority mom”?. I need a ruling. I can’t know what to think of this story because of have misplaced my victim status tables. Is that better or worse than a undocumented married Hispanic man?

    1. If you just check your privilege, that will tell you the answer.

      1. I just checked my privilege and it said ‘Piss Off’.

        1. So, it’s working, then?

    2. If you’re talking about what treatment she’ll get from the justice system, it’s worse. I’m honestly surprised she’s still alive.

      First, she’s a she – gotta keep the wimmenfolk in line. Next, she’s not only black but she has a “black” name. And she’s a single mother, which means she’s a lascivious harpy who, again, need to be kept in line for the good of society. And there’s the gun stuff, because you can’t trust those negroes with guns, now can you? 😉

      The hispanic man only has being light brown skin and jerb theft against him so he’d get much gentler treatment. As long as he wasn’t married to a white women.

  8. This question has been asked on H&R many times with no answer. Why the fuck does anybody live or visit New Jersey?

    1. My theory, and it’s a solid one, is that the subset of our population that are masochists have gradually migrated to Jersey because the state govt is run by sadists.

    2. It’s one of those unsolved mysteries. NJ is something worse than awful. It’s the place where all NYers move to because they made such a horrific mess of their own state they couldn’t stand to, or afford to, live there any longer.

    3. As far as I can tell it’s because their grandparents live there. Do people move to New Jersey?

      1. Yes, from NY. Imagine a state made up of only NJ people and ex-NYers, if you can fathom such a horrifying vision.

    4. I can understand the parts of NJ that are suburbs of NYC or Philly. It’s expensive to live in those areas.

      I can understand going to the shore in the summer.

      I can understand going to Atlantic City. No, wait, scratch that. I can’t understand going to Atlantic City.

      And I can’t understand why on earth anyone would want to live in NJ otherwise.

    5. Speaking for myself…

      I live here because my wife and I together pull down something over a quarter $ mill a year in NJ without living in a shitty city. We won’t be here on day 2 of our retirement.

      If offered lower but ballpark salaries in a livable freer place – like Durham, NC, San Antonio, or Indianapolis – we would take them. But in case you haven’t noticed, the economy isn’t exactly booming.

  9. She hopes that a jury will hear her case and won’t think that an honest mistake should cost her 11.5 years of her life.

    Stupid woman. The jury is not going to be allowed to hear what your possible sentence is.

    Stupid woman. The justice system isn’t there to dispense justice.

    Stupid woman. You submit that you made a mistake, you were wrong to have disobeyed your master’s commands, you are not questioning the authoritah of the state to grant you the privileges of “human rights” as they see fit, yet you insist that what they are doing is somehow wrong?

    1. Here’s a question I just thought of.

      Why do juries do sentencing in death penalty cases, but don’t get to know what the sentence might be in cases with stupid mandatory minimum sentences?

    2. I’m in the wrong county, otherwise I would be praying for a jury duty notice. If she was in Warren or Sussex Counties, she would have a chance – lots of hunters, shooters, and farmers with no love of stupid Trenton laws up here.

      As it is, probably not unless some black jurists feel sorry for her and overcome their prog hate of guns.

  10. There is no obscenity sufficiently strong to describe these obscene actions by New Jersey.

    If I were the Governor of Pennsylvania I would have the National Guard roll tanks to go get this woman back.

    After this woman is rescued, I say we cut New Jersey loose, tow it out to sea, and sink it with naval gunfire.

    Then, we get harsh…

    1. Why do you need to sink it with gunfire. Won’t their governor cause it to sink all on its own?

      1. Sigh…come on, everyone knows that fat floats.

        But actually, we should probably nuke it from orbit – it’s the only way to be sure.

      2. No, it would probably just tip over.

      3. He’d never sink it, but he might get it to capsize. Which is just as good as a 40 day flood for resetting things.

  11. This case has once again shown that journalists are the dregs of humanity.

    This being the same DA and judge who let Ray Rice off without jail time for beating his wife unconscious further proves God has a sense of humor. the media hacks who love gun control more than justice and are defending this really are the scum of the earth.

    1. This case has once again shown that journalists are the dregs of humanity.

      So many are quislings in search of a tyrant to whom they’ll sell out their people.

  12. “this is how the system works”

    ORDERS WERE FOLLOWED.

    1. Questions were begged. What the hell more do you want here Brooks?

  13. One more thing about this case, it is going to put a harpoon in fatso’s Presidential chances. His silence on this case ends any idea that he isn’t just lying about his new found support of gun rights. Remember, Fatso could end this case tomorrow by exercising his pardon power.

    1. I hope someone sticks a mic in his face and asks about that.

    2. Only if Rand beats him bloody with it.

      1. Guns are (TEAM) red meat. I guarantee if he does nothing about this, and still runs, someone dredges it up and hoists him on it in the primary.

        1. Actually, even without this case, all they had to do was dig up his quotes saying he supported New Jersey’s gun laws.

        2. If it doesn’t get brought up the broader issue of gun rights will, along with his less than friendly stance on them.

    3. Good point. Be interesting to see if he does something… in the name of “justice.”

    4. You have to be convicted of something in order to be pardoned. She hasn’t even gone to trial yet.

      1. He can mobilize the NJANG and deal with it that way.

      2. Nixon was pardoned without there being a trial.

    5. Good point, John. The fact that Christie is letting this case drag on shows he doesn’t want the nomination, or that he’s too anti-2nd Amendment to get it, or that he’s too dense to know that pardoning her would be a plus for him.

  14. Fytw. Again

  15. Exercising your constitutionally-guaranteed right, worse than beating your wife.

    Gun owners assert that some rights are untouchable by the local legislature, that some rights inhere to individuals whatever the collective says. Of course the left hates them more than wife-beaters.

  16. As God is my witness, if I were President, I’d federalize the National Guard and send it to disarm, disempower, and arrest every member of the judicial system and police involved in this incident for insurrection against the United States (which is what it is — prosecution and imprisonment for exercise of Constitutional privilege, and the penalty for it should be death), and then prosecute them for it as a capital crime. I’d also book front-row tickets to their PUBLIC executions by firing squads.

    After that, I’d give every single governmental authority within the United States exactly one year to cease enforcement entirely and nullify any and all laws and regulations in any way impeding, preventing, or punishing any sort of weapons ownership, tax avoidance, and drug use. Any individual government official, or those behind specific authorities’, who refuses to comply would be charges with treason, enslavement, and insurrection against the United States, and charged with capital crimes against the citizenry, and upon conviction, have them executed by firing squad, without the allowance of appeal.

    1. Charged*, too. Also, redundant clause. Too much whiskey.

      1. Or perhaps, not enough.

        You go, girl! (or guy, as the case may be)

        1. With cases like this? You’re right — it’s not enough whiskey.

          I do have a vagina, but it’s on a gal lying next to me, not on my own body.

          1. Still, remember Heinlein’s admonition:

            “Be wary of strong drink – it can make you shoot at tax collectors – and miss…”

            1. I’m putting that on a bumper sticker.

    2. I like the cut of your jib.

  17. “Common Sense” Gun Laws at work

  18. Sometimes I can’t believe how many people actually response to things I write on these forums…Now I know why I hold such long office hours!!

    1. Shaneen, She Don’t Like It
      Its not the cat’s fault
      Not the cat’s fault

      CINCINNATI #1 WHOOP WHOOP

      1. I dig the Cincy link.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_P._Chase

        http://freedomcenter.org/

        Luckily we also have some “unracist” things in the city too!!!

        1. So, Brian, what do you think about those dumb hillbillies over there in Covington? They dont’ have none that edumencation, no?

          1. Of course not! If they were smart they’d move to Cincinnati!

            I did go buy liquor in Newport yesterday though, and the Party Source is always awesome!

        2. Cincinnati is too boring to be racist.

          1. There is only Cincinnati. Best city in the world number one amazing yessssss!!!!!

            1. Cincinnati has the sex appeal of a retarded fat person in an empty shopping mall on a Tuesday afternoon.

              Its the kind of place that makes you go, “….Well, at least Newark is *scary*”.

              Its so boring that people talk about how they have great…. hot dogs… or…. the biggest ‘frozen food company in America’…. by the time they start talking about their Bridges, you’re already thinking about how to get an earlier flight the fuck out of the place. And if you have enough cold-medicine to knock yourself unconscious until that flight.

              The entire city feels like a parking lot for something that isn’t there anymore.

              1. Ok, you clearly haven’t been to Cincinnati.

                1. No, I’ve clearly spent years in and out of Cincinnati, doing work for P&G, Kroger, Sara Lee, and others.

                  I regularly stayed in the Garfield Suites downtown. I was there so often i would go out drinking with some of the employees there. Because there was no where else to go, and nothing else to do.

                  And the only half-decent restaurant nearby downtown would close at 10PM on weeknights.

                  That was 8+ years ago. Maybe its changed. Even if it got 10X better, it would still be a half-dead parking lot of a city with some better amenities.

                  1. Oh shit! If it was 8 years ago you’ve missed the boat. Over-The-Rhine, which was the biggest crime ridden shithole in the world 8+ ago, is now one of the most amazing neighborhoods in the US. Downtown is booming with development, especially on the riverfront. Restaurants and bars popping up all around downtown. You’d shit yourself if you saw it now.

                    1. Ducks fly over Cincinnati upside-down

                      Because its not worth shitting on

              2. The entire city feels like a parking lot for something that isn’t there anymore.

                Heh – I’m going to have to remember that one. It describes half the freaking cities in America.

                1. nope. cincy kicks ass

                  1. Its a shithole that looks like an improvement… if you’re from *Toledo*

                    1. Booooo! Come back and check out the sweetness. I’ll put you up in the Cincinnatian 🙂

      2. I lol’d:

        There’s a reason Mark Twain said “When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Cincinnati because it’s always twenty years behind the times.”

  19. Bryan Miller writes dismissively at The Courier-Post. The law’s the law, he argue, and it was democratically-passed and supported. Ignorance is no excuse.

    I hope Bryan Miller’s local municipality votes to have him executed. Then he would finally understand the the moral validity of democratic decisions. Democracy as a decision making process is devoid of moral content so it cannot be claimed as a bringer of moral legitimacy.

  20. Women and minorities hardest hit? Anyone?

    1. “This is the price that we pay for ‘civilization'”
      /Prog

      Seriously –

      progs will argue themselves blue in the face about how their ‘common sense’ gun laws can only produce better-outcomes

      or how their pointless and punative environmental regulations are only being opposed by ‘big corporations and earth-haters!’

      and when the consequences of these laws are revealed to them? They shrug and go, “we can’t be blamed for these minor details”.

      This is how progressive laws work. They sell you on these ‘grand ideals’, but the reality of their effects are always the same: screwing over innocent people, robbing enormous piles of money to feed a giant bureaucracy, and producing not a scrap of benefit in any way towards their ostensible goal – in this case ‘crime reduction’… or whatever.

      they never own this shit.

      1. They never own any of their shit. You can still find the little fucknuts whining about how much Bush raised the national debt, and then suddenly they turn deaf when you point out how much more Obama has tacked on to it.

  21. The government is us. If we don’t trust the government, we doubt ourselves. By living in the U.S., this women consented to all our laws. She obviously wants to go to prison.

  22. This might be the most obnoxious thread I’ve ever skimmed in 6+ years lurking on H&R.

    1. I know you are, but what am I?

      1. An anagram (almost) for two commenters who enjoy increasing thread length?

        1. It is close! wow!

    2. That’s being quite uncharitable to White Indian and Mary Stack, assuming they aren’t the same person.

      1. Yeah, let’s not lose perspective here. Those were some dark days.

    3. One vapid, childish adolescent can lengthen any thread to tedium.

  23. Good thing the governor of New Jersey is a strong Republican who belives in the Second Amendment!

    Seriously, if Christie is going to look for the Republican nomination, he needs to grant a pardon.

    Article V, Section II(1) of the New Jersey Constitution says: “The Governor may grant pardons and reprieves in all cases other than impeachment and treason, and may suspend and remit fines and forfeitures. A commission or other body may be established by law to aid and advise the Governor in the exercise of executive clemency.”

    This seems to allow pardons prior to conviction, unlike some states’ constitutions. Can any experts in NJ law help me out here?

    1. Christie let last guy who fucked over by insane guns go through the whole trial process – then commuted his sentence. I guess he thinks it the middle ground despite the crushing legal bills involved. (he is a fucking lawyer after all)

      I think Christie has given up on the nomination after the bridge thing. Otherwise he’s an idiot for not being in front of this. His last Republican opponent (Lonegan) would have pardoned her the night of her arrest.

  24. It’s good to see our progressive friends being tough on crime!

  25. I live in New Jersey and I’m a gun owner. I’m a 26 year old affluent white male and I’m afraid for my safety and freedom every day.

    I can’t even imagine having the stigma of racial profiling in addition to the already confusing and draconian legal architecture that makes up New Jersey’s Gun Control Civilian Disarmament apparatus.

    Also Bryan Miller, President of “Cease Fire New Jersey” is a special breed of boot licking progtard scum. That’s hard to do in this state, but he definitely ranks on my scumbag top ten list at the state level.

    1. If he’s anything like Ralph Fascitelli, president of Washington Cease Fire, he’ll just openly lie about gun statistics.

  26. Guess what poster in this thread reeks of long-term troll.

    1. Well, at least he’s a fairly honest troll, up front about his trollishness.

  27. I need to know if she votes democrat before I can decide if I care.

    1. Well her name is Shaneen..

  28. Time for Obamasan to step up on this issue: “If I had a sister, see would look just like Shaneen. This is a war on women and blacks.”

  29. Geez, I totally lost interest in the thread when the linguistics war got fired up. I did, however, truly appreciate the link to the “Metallica” story. The kid’s name in the last paragraph made me spit all over my computer screen! Thanks SusanM!

  30. Chris Christie….Shame, shame, shame!

  31. The back and forth over this poor woman’s given name is just another reason why Libertarians are not taken seriously.
    Look, squirrels!

    1. Agreed.

  32. Sounds like some serious bsuienss dude.

    http://www.AnonGalaxy.tk

  33. Come on everyone, stick to the issue, it’s not about her name. The real problem to worry about is whether or not you care that a legal gun owner is being unjustly punished for wanting to protect her and her children’s lives. If your going to make fun of anyone make fun of the dumb ass politicians who created the law and the dumb ass cops who enforce it.

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