With Loyalty Oath Demand, Crusade Against Corporate Inversion Gets Even Creepier

Leave it to Jonathan Alter to jump the already laughably overblown "problem" of corporations seeking friendlier tax jurisdictions elsewhere right past parody.


Loyalty oath
Stanford University Press

Leave it to Jonathan Alter to jump the already laughably overblown "problem" of corporations seeking friendlier tax jurisdictions elsewhere right past parody. Forget any discussion of why businesses are relocating. At the Daily Beast, Alter wants potential "corporate deserters" to take…wait, I have to check this again…yep…loyalty oaths.

And you thought the whole Benito-tastic flag-draping thing already jumped the shark when President Obama demanded "an economic patriotism that says we rise or fall together, as one nation, and as one people."

Must… resist… the… urge… to… include… Italian… and… German… quotes.

Yes, it's true. Jonathan Alter went there. In response to the dread specter of "inversion"—U.S. corporations merging with overseas firms in order to escape high corporate tax rates, daunting bureaucracy, and a regime that taxes worldwide profits, unlike other G-7 countries—Alter says that reforming our tax system to make it competitive just isn't good enough. Instead, Americans, and the government in particular, should pressure corporate executives to sign promises that they won't take their businesses out of the country.

Even if comprehensive tax reform miraculously passes, it wouldn't reduce the corporate tax rate enough to stop the desertions. That's because other countries have slashed their corporate taxes or eliminated them altogether.

So it's time for red-blooded Americans to take matters into our own hands. My answer is to make every corporation sign something.

Sign what? If Republicans cared about this issue, which most don't, they would revive McCarthy-era loyalty oaths, where people were forced to swear that they weren't communists.

NRA Blue Eagle

Ummm…That paragraph struck him as a good idea? Apparently so. Anyway, how does that work?

For those companies less able to act as Americans or recognize their real interests, there are two ways to make this work. The president should issue an executive order that says any company that wants to keep its federal contracts must sign a new-fangled [non-desertion agreement]…

But other companies with few or no federal contracts might be tempted to desert anyway.

That's where the rest of us come in. Under my scheme, companies that sign non-desertion agreements would embed a tiny American flag or some other Good Housekeeping-type seal in their corporate insignia for all to see, just as companies during the Great Depression that agreed to Franklin Roosevelt's recovery plan hung an emblem of a blue eagle in their windows with the legend, "We Do Our Part."

German historian Wolfgang Schivelbusch and occasional Reason contributor Thaddeus Russell are among those who have directly connected the New Deal's National Recovery Administration, and its blue eagle, to fascism. Which is to say, this whole "economic patriotism" crusade starts at a bad place and spirals down into a cesspool. So, if that's the model you work from…

To make it clear where this all goes, the National Recovery Administration once boasted, "The Fascist Principles are very similar to those we have been evolving here in America." Its head, Hugh Johnson, noted about the adoption or rejection of the blue eagle symbol and its code, "Those who are not with us are against us."

Or you could just go with, "we rise or fall together, as one nation, and as one people."

As I've noted before, the United States is not especially competitive in terms of corporate tax rates, scope of business taxation, or ease of negotiating tax bureaucracy. On PriceWaterhouseCooper's study of "189 economies worldwide, ranking them according to the relative ease of paying taxes," Ireland ranked six, Canada ranked eight, the U.S. came in at 64.

So…Maybe fewer loyalty oaths and more making the tax system less sucky? Just a thought.

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  1. You know who else demanded loyalty oaths?

    1. Aerys II Targaryen?

    2. My elementary school?

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    3. The US Flag?

    4. Warty

    5. The Masons?

    6. Our wives?

      1. Inturdgalactic Emperor Obozoe?

    7. The 18th century US government, in exchange for a gun ownership mandate?

    8. John E. Fuckerfaster!

    9. FDR before he put the Japanese in Internment Camps?

  2. Skilled workers and successful companies flocked here for a very long time. Businesses flourished here. Now, less so. Why is that?

    1. I think it’s the obstructionist Republicans who are trying to turn our country into a Christian Theocracy. No corporation wants to do business where they can’t have common sense guidelines on birth control to follow.

      1. And how are they going to succeed unless they pay the most taxes they possibly can?

      2. Shit, I know enough (D)umbasses that it wouldn’t shock me to hear one of them say this.

        They broke my sarcasm meter

      3. I see what you did there waffles.

    2. I’m a real estate developer. Your tax system is tough to figure out. Your regulatory system is a mess. But, right now it works for me to invest some money here.

      The Canadian tax code is way easier to work with, and we tax our corps less here. Individuals get taxed more though, and corporations have way fewer loopholes. It encourages money to be left in a company and put to work.

      But, our cities and municipalities, which is where ultimately you do your business are as regulatory and rule-bound as California. Unless you’re in Alberta. The municipalities are insane. Almost impossible to get anything approved. Even stuff everyone wants, like good quality rental buildings.

  3. There’s something particularly unseemly about a Jewish fascist.

      1. That’s Dr. Netanya – who?

    1. You should go post this in the Daily Beast’s comments. For the lulz.

      1. Psh, I had like the 4th post on that article and pointed out how fascist it was.

    2. Why? Fascism simply means national socialism. Israel is certainly nationalist, as the current war evidences. And it is as socialist as any EU country.

  4. After the Oath of Fealty, everyone can do some kind of special salute to show they are on-board.

        1. I don’t know about you, but I never voted for the flag.

          1. Traitor!

            1. Well, I didn’t. I don’t recall seeing its name on any ballots, come to think of it.

              1. I didn?t either – but I think flags for states is a cost of doing business, something that has to exist for things such as international shipping.

                Not that this has anything to do with whether their should be any oath, though for my money I?d much rather pledge my fealty to the flag than any current, former, or future politician anywhere, much less CA.

                Of course truly free people shouldn?t be forced by government to swear oaths to anything – but this is the brave new world.

        2. Cool link. I’d never heard of the Bellamy salute.

  5. Don’t be silly, Tuccille, this sort of thing is bad only when the wrong people do it.

  6. Companies, whose employees and products travel on America’s roads, are already a huge drain on the economy. Paying multiple layers of taxation is the only thing they give back to the country. I say burn them at the stake.

    1. Was this article written by Tom Tuttle from Tacoma?


    1. Can’t say I’m gonna miss him.

      1. There wasn’t any him to him. His wife wheeled him out on stages for years and ventriloquized him. It was disgusting. Fuck her.

        1. What was his actual mental capacity? He had some memory issues, I seem to recall, and obviously had trouble speaking.

          1. I can’t find anything definitive about it. I think it was pretty much like Gabby Giffords’ is now. Good thing they have a prettier puppet nowadays.

          2. His neurosurgeon said he eventually recovered most intellectual capacity


      2. Neither can Hinckley

        1. I am so stealing that.

        2. I have to say, that is one of the most awesome things I’ve ever seen Bo say.

    2. Poor guy. You kind of figure you’re safe in the job he had–who wants to shoot the press secretary?

      1. Ha! Times have sure changed. Nowadays, I think the press sec would be first in line for the bullet.

    3. Oh, well. That’s about all I can muster.

  7. If we’re going full fascist, can we at least get some better duds?

    1. We have a Hugo Boss store locally, and I casually mentioned to my wife that they could have a line of Nazi uniforms, then explained why.

      1. “When you go to your little place on Nantuckett Island, I image you gonna take off that handsome looking SS uniform of yours, ain’t ya?”

        “That’s what I thought. Now that….I can’t abide.”

        1. +1 I’m gonna give you a little somethin’ you can’t take off.

          1. +1 membership in Manson Family

  8. That’s where the rest of us come in. Under my scheme, companies that sign non-desertion agreements would embed a tiny American flag or some other Good Housekeeping-type seal in their corporate insignia for all to see, just as companies during the Great Depression that agreed to Franklin Roosevelt’s recovery plan hung an emblem of a blue eagle in their windows with the legend, “We Do Our Part.”

    The sad thing is that most people would probably not boycott products with this seal.

    1. So we will punish nonconforming companies with American flags on their products?

    2. Perhaps, instead of a seal, they could issue some nifty armbands with some sort of insignia on it?

      1. The armbands would be for those not taking part in this farce.

        1. To memorialize them, because they’d be dead?

        2. The ones who refuse to take the oath would be required to wear blue stars on their clothing.

  9. All these proposals – corporate loyalty oaths, minimum wage increases, depriving corporations of religious freedom protection – could have been passed while the Dems controlled Congress and the White House. Why wait until now, when the Dems need issues to mobilize their base for the elections? Because we know they’re motivated by the public interest, not by politics.

    1. Why worry now? With The Obamatron’s long record for doing bugger-all it’s not like anything’s going to happen on some lefty journo’s say-so.

      1. True, but it would serve us well to point out the evilness of such schemes.

  10. The comments are a pile of stupid. Nobody seems to understand location versus total profit taxation. Just random screams about corporate tax breaks – like parrots making the noises they were taught.

    1. Okay, since you’re so much smarter than any of us, why don’t you explain it? Explain how being the only first world country to tax expatriates makes sense. I’ll wait.

      1. The comments at the Daily Beast…

        1. Oh.

          My brain not working too goodly right now.

          1. Don’t look at those comments, they’ll make it much worse.

            1. Why does anyone read comments on other news sites?

              I admit to sometimes making the mistake, but I quickly remember why.

              1. I dunno about anyone else, but I’m a masochist, and I just can’t build up the proper amount of speed in my head as I go to slam it on the desk, properly, without good motivation.

                Those comments provide that motivation.

              2. Then you’ve read the comments on other news sites one too many times.

    2. like parrots making the noises they were taught.

      Considering the average proggie is about as intelligent as a parrot, it makes perfect sense.

  11. Let corporate executive stage solemn ceremonies, in the presence of as many of their stockholders as possible – especially American widows, especially the widows of veterans – swearing to do what they can to maximize shareholder income regardless of political pressure to the contrary. Have the widows explain why they need as big a return on their investment as possible. Fight symbolism with symbolism.

    1. Fight symbolism with symbolism.

      Unfortunately using symbolism to get a point across is only good when it’s done by the “right people.” Other wise it’s all just propoganda and manipulation by KKKOCHTAPUSPORASHUNZ!!!1!!111!!!!

    1. I’ll gladly sign a loyalty oath for her.

  12. “I hate America and their racist and sexist policies. The taxes I pay will also fund Israel and the drone programs. I don’t want to establish business in a nation that spies on its own people and abandons their own veterans. By building a factory in Mexico, I make a stand against white privilege in America. Now, you guys all agree that America is racist, doesn’t want to hire women, and discriminates all the time, right? So I’m taking my business elsewhere.”

    The problem is solved.

    1. *brains exploding*

  13. In other news, everybody’s favorite communist, Jesse Myerson, tweeted that his backpack and his computer had been stolen. Property-related hilarity ensued. He’s now claiming that nobody seems to know the difference between “property” and “possessions”, which is why he’s right and everyone else is wrong.

    1. Hah! Sounds like the needs of someone else trumped occupy-boy’s ability to have a laptop and a backpack. That’s cool, right?

    2. Ah, yes, property versus possessions, the favorite resort of the young adult confronted for the first time with the idea that THEIR propery might be evil, too.

      My 16YO stepson recently quoted Lennon at me when I pointed out what a nice standard of living he enjoys relative to his friends. “Imagine no possessions”. I asked if his brand-new Grateful Dead t-shirt, and his new used car, counted as possessions. “Well, property is really the problem”.

      1. Well, there is a difference, in that land (to clarify) owners, myself included, are scum-sucking rent seekers. But the SLT would take care of that.

        It pisses off the anarchists (which is just a bonus), but I can support a Single Land Tax. Its literally the only moral tax, IMO.

        1. Would a Single Land Tax be paid to a One World Government?

        2. I find the SLT to be a charming anachronism of agricultural/feudal economies.

          Given that land itself has gone from being the primary productive resource to an overhead expense, basing the entire tax system on it in this day and age strikes me as . . . bizarre.

          1. It would be pretty funny for a while, as more and more people pile into ever smaller areas, donate land back to the gov, and land taxes are raised to compensate.

            Well funny for an outside observer anyway.

        3. Damn Georgists!

        4. No the only moral tax is a contract tax. It literally is fee for service.

          1. I could accept a poll tax.

    3. well they aren’t his possessions now are they? they are someone else’s possessions.

      1. People take money from me through duress twice a month. Possession or property?

    4. Reminds me of the time in college when I made the mistake of talking to a communist. When he got to how EVUL the bourgeois concept of property was and how much better it would be if no one was allowed to own anything blah, blah blah; I got up, walked over to his kitchen and helped myself to a soda and a bag of chips.

      When he protested I said “I was thirsty and hungry and figured since you don’t believe in the concept of property it was OK if I helped myself to your chips and soda.” At which point he glared at me, but thankfully STFU.

      1. Not surprised. Amazingly, that’s typical in my experiences – they really, truly have not thought about their beliefs. Or simply haven’t considered that the things they tell other people to do, might have to apply to them too.

        And, also typical, sounds like the guy got mad because you called him on his BS and he couldn’t say shit. I assume he did not do the honest thing and realize he was wrong or a hypocrite and denounce his preposterous ideas …

  14. Loyal to one’s country? Maybe. Loyal to one’s government? Absolutely not.

    1. “Loyal to one’s country? Maybe. ”

      Ah yes, nationalism – one of the last common forms of accepted bigotry left. Clearly even some who may identify as libertarians are still in that rut. Nationalism is the same thing as the Team Red/Blue thing, just on a larger scale.

  15. I work (in the USA) for a biotech company that is headquartered in Ireland and was just taken over by a US company that will be re-incorporating there ASAP (google and the names will be obvious. No, we don’t actually live in hobbit holes).

    The Billion (with a “B”) per year that they will save in taxes, that would otherwise go to the Feds, will instead be available for such non-people’s purposes as: Employee benefits, employee salaries, research and development, patient outreach, etc. etc. etc. OR, it could pay for an hour’s worth of funding for your favorite government agency.

    Uncle Sam will soon have to accept that we are no longer a captive audience. Don’t worry though, Progressives – I’m sure Ireland will soon find themselves unable to maintain their roadz and bridges and devolve to a Somalia-like state of lawlessness, and have to hike the corporate income tax to bring them out of the stone age.

    1. and have to live with all those red-headed women.

    2. MNK / QCOR?

      1. Hint: Where did Bilbo and his fellow hobbits live?

  16. Mr Obama, tear down that wall!

  17. How can we expect corporations to exercise patriotism when progressives have told us in the Hobby Lobby case that corporations have no beliefs, conscience, etc ?

    1. But but but…thats different.


    2. (blubbering ensues)

    3. That’s why they’ll demand the CEOs swear *personal* oaths of loyalty.

  18. This morning I was thinking about a common Larry Niven theme that I always mocked. But the problem, as it turns out, was with his examples not the concept.

    He said that technology would make certain crimes obsolete because they would become unenforceable. One example he used was pickpocketing, because the world would be too crowded to stop it, you just have to defend against it yourself.

    Silly, and wrong, on many levels.

    But, Bitcoin or similar eliminates the ability to enforce against money laundering. The thing is, money laundering doesnt even make sense as a crime, it was a proxy to stop tax evasion.

    But things like btc and company relocation and etc make it clear that income tax is on shaky legs (if far from dead). The 20th century was the income tax century, it wont survive until the 22nd.

    I guess I owe Niven an apology, but I figure Ive spent enough on his books that we will call it even.

  19. By the way, this is another example as to why there’s no “aha”moment with progressives. Each example of their failures just cranks their internal brutality amplifier up one more notch.

  20. Must… resist… the… urge… to… include… Italian… and… German… quotes.

    I can’t.


    “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein F?hrer”

    isn’t the same as

    “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Community-Veranstalter”.

    1. “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Community-Veranstalter”.

      I’m not saluting.

    2. AFAIK it would be “ein Gemeinschaft Ausrichter”, although I’m not really sure.

      Anyway, “Heil Geimeinschaft-Ausrichter!” doesn’t sound very good.

      1. We cannot allow a Geimeinschaft-Ausrichter gap!

    3. Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Leader-from-behind.

      Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Jarrett.

  21. You gotta love the people who read Catch-22 and use it as an instruction manual:

    “Almost overnight the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade was in full flower, and Captain Black was enraptured to discover himself spearheading it. He had really hit on something. All the enlisted men and officers on combat duty had to sign a loyalty oath to get their map cases from the intelligence tent, a second loyalty oath to receive their flak suits and parachutes from the parachute tent, a third loyalty oath…

    “Without realizing how it had come about, the combat men in the squadron discovered themselves dominated by the administrators appointed to serve them. They were bullied, insulted, harassed, and shoved about all day long by one after the other. When they voiced objection, Captain Black replied that people who were loyal would not mind signing all the loyalty oaths they had to.”

  22. So…Maybe fewer loyalty oaths and more making the tax system less sucky? Just a thought.

    But they can’t do that because… uh, hold on, let me spin the wheel-o-progderp… Ah, there go:


    I do love how the proggie fascist shitheels aren’t even bothering with a mask anymore.

  23. No Catch-22 “Great Loyalty Oath Crusade” reference, Tuccille? I am disappoint.

    1. He probably read it when he was 10 years old and doesn’t remember that bit.

      1. Well, I mainly remember how he lied to his nurse when she would ask him every morning if he had had a bowel movement.

  24. Well, if they demand loyalty oaths, then they are admitting the fact that corporations are “persons” under the law, otherwise they could not give the oath.

  25. Anyone remember who Woodrow Wilson was?

  26. I’m confused by this whole tax inversion issue. A good example company of this is Medtronic, who is going to technically be headquartered in Ireland after the merger. They still pay taxes on the income they make in the US. Often times, US companies who make money overseas leave the money there to avoid the double-taxation of the US’s non-territorial tax system. In this scenario, the US doesn’t really lose out on many taxes: only on income that a company would have repatriated into the US from foreign gains.

    1. Right, those companies find themselves wanting to invest back in their US operations, but there was a big disincentive to doing so. So they’re reorganizing to avoid that problem.

  27. So…Maybe fewer loyalty oaths and more making the tax system less sucky?

    File this suggestion under NRE (Not Retarded Enough).

  28. I love it when the left tells us that fascism is a right wing ideology and out of the other side of their mouth they are espousing fascist ideology.

    1. So you’re pretty much ecstatic all the time right?

  29. “President Obama demanded “an economic patriotism that says we rise or fall together, as one nation, and as one people.”

    I hope all the lazy slobs among us starve to death.

  30. Great article. J.D. Tuccille does a fantastic job of pointing out the obvious without giving it the label it deserves. The Left in this country (US) has become the National Socialist Party of America. And their policies follow the last well know National Socialist. These policies are well documented in his book Mein Kampf.

  31. Hi JD,

    I’m a little confused. I’m sympathetic to libertarianism, but not, you know, in a Jim Jones kind of way. Why should I, as a person who hates war, loves gay sex and good drugs concern myself with corporations who want to express fidelity to their community? What if I were a CEO and wanted to say that no matter what, I’m staying in Texas even if the governor is a fucking moron who executed an innocent person in 2004 and is populated by Tea Party extremists… And I wanted to advertise this?

    Furthermore, you don’t think a government seeking to give a contract to a company should at least consider whether the company is a local one that will provide jobs in the area, etc. versus giving the contract to Chinacorp?

    1. Personally, I say go ahead with your loyalty pledges.

      When customers start “Buying American!” instead of looking at prices and quality, I’ll be shocked.

      1. Fine. So why publish this screeching hyperbole that equates a business expressing solidarity with its community with McCarthyism? I can see why corporatists have a problem with alter’s proposal. Libertarians like myself? Eh… I don’t have a problem. You?

        1. Libertarianism must mean using the state to punish people you don’t like, I guess.

        2. american socialist|8.4.14 @ 9:04PM|#
          …”Libertarians like myself?”…

          Now, that’s funny, sleazebag.

          1. Let’s see…

            Pro-choice? Check.
            Anti death penalty? Check.
            Pro-immigration? Check.
            Pro drugs? Ummm, yep
            Anti-war? Check
            Hate the DOD? Yep.

            1. american socialist|8.4.14 @ 11:30PM|#
              “Let’s see…
              Pro-choice? Check.
              Anti death penalty? Check.
              Pro-immigration? Check.
              Pro drugs? Ummm, yep
              Anti-war? Check
              Hate the DOD? Yep.”

              Let’s see…
              In favor of coercion to achieve every one of those? Check, shitbag.

              1. He wants to force people to take drugs?

            2. Oh, and:
              In favor of everyone else to bail you out of the cost of your stupid housing purchase? Yep.

              1. I’m just trying to get enough miniarchist street cred so I can hang with Brian Doherty and Grover norquist on the Ayn Rand art car at BRC. All hail dagny taggart!

                1. You’re a slimy piece of shit.

              2. Hey…those were PREDATORY loans. He was seduced by the great Kochtapus, so not his fault.

            3. Maybe you’re just an inconsistent civil libertarian.

              You happen to coincide with a few libertarian positions but you don’t have many real principles.

        3. Did you miss the word force or demand?

          & if not – are you unaware of their meanings?

          1. Hi Michael, sorry, maybe I just missed it. Where did Alter say that corporations should be forced to sign pledges that they aren’t going to be tax cheats?

            1. american socialist|8.4.14 @ 11:25PM|#
              “Hi Michael, sorry, maybe I just missed it”..

              Yeah, shitbag, I guess you just did sort of “miss it”. Sorta like lefty shitbags “miss” the part where people are forced to do all sorts of things to support parasites like you:

              “My answer is to make every corporation sign something”

              Oh, and fuck you and your fave murderers.

              1. Hmm, yeah, if you took that sentence out-of-context and didn’t read the next two paragraphs I could see where you could draw that conclusion. You clearly are being oppressed. When did the libertarian cult clan become such fucking whiny prisses?

                1. american socialist|8.5.14 @ 12:14AM|#
                  “Hmm, yeah, if you took that sentence out-of-context”

                  Sorry, shitbag, the ‘well, I was only joshin’ don’t work with slimy socialists. I’m sure he meant it would only be a ‘suggestion’ until someone didn’t tow the lion.

            2. Oh, and:
              …”sign pledges that they aren’t going to be tax cheats?”
              You mean companies that obey tax law? Those sorts of “cheats”, shitbag?

            3. Governments are made of force, and thus incapable of acting without the threat of force.

              Which is why good governments are explicitly limited to a very narrow range of functions where the use of force is the least bad option.

              But you know that.

        4. Well, there’s the argument for efficiency.

          For example, let’s say I can buy “America Fuck Yeah” socks for $5, or I can buy the imported socks for $2.50.

          If I buy the American socks, I now have $5 of the economy devoted to socks, whereas, if I buy the imported socks, I have $2.50 going into socks, and $2.50 going into something else.

          When I consider that on a large scale, is there some reason where we should desire twice the portion of the economy going into socks that need to go into socks?

          I don’t see why, except for some bizarre, pseudo patriotic, nationalistic “It keeps the foreigners from getting our sock money!” reason. Sure, the American taxes go to fund some stuff you may like, but it also funds a lot of stuff you don’t (see below: DOD, drug war, etc.)

          In terms of caring about poor people: poor people working to give us imports have a level of poverty that makes the average poor person in the USA look like a life of luxury. Is there some reason we care about poor Americans more than poor foreigners? When I look at it like that, it seems more like a reason to make some, relatively poor Americans better off at the expense of drastically more poor foreigners, and this scheme seems more about “America Fuck Yeah!” than about compassion.

          Personally, I don’t feel like using my resources like that. But, you guys can knock yourselves out with your boycotts.

    2. What if I were a CEO and wanted to say that no matter what, I’m staying in Texas even if the governor is a fucking moron who executed an innocent person in 2004 and is populated by Tea Party extremists… And I wanted to advertise this?

      Then advertise it. Exercise your First Amendment rights. Have fun, and remember to use lube when you rub one out imagining that you’re showing genuine love of country.

      Furthermore, you don’t think a government seeking to give a contract to a company should at least consider whether the company is a local one that will provide jobs in the area, etc. versus giving the contract to Chinacorp?

      No. A government seeking to give a contract to a company should focus first, last, and completely on the value to the taxpayers who are footing the bill. If Chinacorp can do a better job than Localcorp, then the government should tell Localcorp to fuck right off.

      Crony capitalism is bad, mmkay? Letting the taxpayer take it in the shorts to prop up an otherwise-uncompetitive operation just because it happens to be domestic is fucking evil.

      1. So a government official shouldn’t look holistically at a government contract? If Chinacorp can do the job for 1,000,000,000 and Americorp can do the job for 1,000,000,001 and it would bring thousands of jobs to the local community you would prefer the former?

        1. american socialist|8.4.14 @ 11:33PM|#
          “So a government official shouldn’t look holistically at a government contract?”

          I’m sure your stupidity is such that you fantasize that would be done honestly.
          Care to justify the famous $400 toilet seats as a “holistic” decision, shitbag?

          1. Actually, the $400 toilet seat can be justified more easily than the crap AS is spouting. The government demanded a full production run for a small number of toilet seats.

        2. Show me that contract. Or any instance where you’ve seen a procurement contract that doesn’t cost more in tax revenue than it generates in actual, domestic, private sector wealth.

          Go ahead, I’ll wait.

        3. Yes, obviously. There’s no reason for there even be a “government official” making this decision. It’s automatic.

          If Americorp wants to bring thousands of jobs to the local community then they can do the job for less than Chinacorp. If they can’t do that, then they need to fix their company so that it can be a competitor and not a charity.

          If they cannot do the job for less, perhaps because of regulatory overhead or destructive minimum wage laws, then they should frankly inform the world that this result is of the government’s own making. And since the process of awarding government contracts is now entirely open and very simple, there can be no reprisal from the government for speaking out.

    3. american socialist|8.4.14 @ 7:53PM|#
      …”I’m sympathetic to libertarianism,”…

      You’re an ignorant, lying sack of shit.

    4. American corporations express fidelity to their community all the time. Go into any Walmart and you’ll find a chunk of one wall devoted to all their community contributions. That’s not what this initiative is all about. It’s about coercion, which is something that libertarians hate and socialists tend to love. It’s about forcing an expression of loyalty because progressivism destroys real loyalty, real community, and real brotherhood among men but they don’t like to admit it and want to keep up appearances of community for as long as possible.

    5. I’m sympathetic to libertarianism

      It is apparent to me that you have no idea at all what “sympathetic” or “libertarianism” mean.


  32. You didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

    Now give me a big chunk of those profits, you evil capitalist, you.

    1. Yep – they didn?t build nothin? – without government, everyone would be living the hellish Hobbesian existence.

      Yet simultaneously, only corporations and the rich (defined as anyone slightly above middle class and higher) are responsible for all the world?s ills (environment, chicken farms, too much trash, GMO, vaccines, etc, etc – the original sin in this religion being consumerism).

      While the government, especially when run by a Noble Prize winning President with a Hit List?, is our only savior.

      Same disconnect here – where corporations cannot act as people, so don?t have free speech, yet simultaneously can pledge fealty to demands.

      Something to keep in mind too – these demands will change – often.

      This is simply part of their character today – if they get exactly what they want, but what they want doesn?t end in the results they expected, then they fully expect to be able to change the rules, and in most cases apply them retroactively (Trayvon?, Citizens?).

      IE – in their dream world, where they got 95% compliance of all med or large corporations, it won?t be enough. It never will, but specifically here, I?d be surprised if all of this would add up to 10% of what they likely assume.

      Their solution / SOP: increase the demands the millisecond their unspoken expectations aren?t met.

      If they can turn ?make no law against speech? into ?gov should censor political speech? – demands to be listed as a ?good? company will literally change by the hour.

  33. Oh, and:

    american socialist|8.4.14 @ 9:04PM|#
    …”Libertarians like myself?”

    So last week, libertarians are this horrible collection of people who hate the poor and minorities and now YOU are a libertarian?
    Supports murderous regimes? Check.
    Prefers thuggery over persuasion? Check.
    Takes no responsibility for actions? Check.
    Lying fucking hypocrite? Check.

  34. So I wonder if Reardon Steel will sign?

  35. I’m just disappointed I got beaten to “Ein Volk, Ein Reich.”

  36. So american socialist claims to be a libertarian? He’s just as libertarian as Lenin. He too claimed that he wanted to eliminate the State, after the Dictatorship of the Proletariat took control of everything and killed all the kulaks and saboteurs mind you.

    1. american socialist|8.4.14 @ 9:04PM|#
      …”Libertarians like myself?”

      That’s a copy/paste

  37. Who is John Galt?

  38. Jawohl!

  39. This is just the prelude to exit visas and limits on personal wealth leaving the country.

  40. ” as one nation, and as one people”

    Well, that’s two out of three. Of course, his recent moves towards executive action without congressional approval pretty well covers the “ein F?hrer” part, too.


  41. John . I just agree… Norman `s blog is something… last saturday I bought a great Fiat Multipla from bringing in $6690 recently and just over 10/k this past-month . without a doubt it is the best-work I have ever had . I began this nine months/ago and immediately started making a cool over $87 p/h . read this article W?W?W.J?u?m?p??62.C?o???m

  42. To think – it was just a few months ago Democrats were arguing that the corporate tax rate was lower than ever, below average compared to most countries, and needed to be raised.

  43. “we rise or fall together, as one nation, and as one people.”

    Ein Reich, ein volk, and be sure to sign President Obama’s birthday card.

  44. Point of note. Businesses do not pay taxes. Their customers pay. Taxes are just other costs of doing business that get rolled into the prices business’ consumers pay for their goods and/or services.

  45. In order to avoid fascism in America, we the left do hereby command you to swear a blood oath of loyalty to the state and to its glorious leader, Obozo. Unprogressive corporate board members who do not agree to profess their loyalty to Obozo will be put on railcars provided by Kommissar Buffett, Premier of the Burlington National Sante Fe railroad.

  46. “Il Dufe” hasn’t been honing to perfection that Mussoliniesque chin-tilt he does just for the fun of it.

  47. If Republicans cared about this issue, which most don’t, they would revive McCarthy-era loyalty oaths, where people were forced to swear that they weren’t communists.

    Is he not aware that the Communist Party was literally and actually dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States via revolution?

    You know, as opposed to decided to move its HQ somewhere else perfectly peacefully and legally?

    Or does he think “not paying taxes by moving away” is the same as overthrowing the State to impose one chosen by the Kremlin?

    (I mean, I don’t think “loyalty oaths” were a good idea in the 50s either, against Communists – both because such enforced oaths feel un-American, and because Communist revolutionaries might just break an oath.

    But if you’re going to be proposing them as somehow good, you might want to at least notice that the justifications are radically different.)

  48. Me personally, my oath was to the Constitution. Same as a lot of others on here. And of course one thing that the lefties always seem to forget, we have them out gunned.

  49. I actually had some success defending inversion on Facebook.

    The key is to use an example like the drugstore company with 100 stores in the UK, and 100 stores in the USA. Where exactly should its HQ be?

    Then explain that the UK HQ company would pay less taxes than the USA HQ company for doing the exact same thing.

    I added a paragraph about territorial taxes for fun, and how the UK and Japan went to that system (along with everyone else) and they did not become Somalia.

    I was surprised how many people agreed and did not go berserk.

    It also helped that a few were expat Americans who are only too experienced in unfair taxation and the USA stomping around other countries.

  50. Also, I actually sell products in many different countries, and the UK is remarkably cool about not trying to get me to pay corporate income taxes.

    Canada, however, were complete jerks, with a very complicated corporate tax forms for non-resident corporations.

    I ended up paying an accountant $1,200 to file a tax return for C$168 in taxes owed.

    Canada was pretty awesome to deal with…except this one thing. And they are a small market which means I regret offering innovative goods and services to their populace because their government’s high taxes.

  51. Obama and the current fucktards in congress seem to be trying
    to make Ayn Rand characters and their policies come to life it seems.

    1. _Atlas Shrugged_ was a road map, not a warning.

      [Aside: The fuck… html tags for bold, italics, hyperlinks, and blockquotes work, but not underline??]

  52. I pledge allegiance…

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