Why Conservative Reformers, and the Rest of the Right, Should Adopt a Foreign Policy of Caution

Teeing off of the recent back and forth between Rand Paul and Rick Perry on foreign policy, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat responds to accusations that reform conservatives—the label adopted by a group family-friendly right-leaning domestic policy reformers, including Douthat—are too close with Bush-era neoconservatives on foreign policy. The gist of Douthat's response, to the extent that it can be summarized, is that reformers may be guilty of association, but not necessarily of unified endorsement. Reform conservatism has always focused more on domestic policy and domestic politics, and it is loosely attached to politicians with a variety of foreign policy impulses, so its philosophy when it comes to interacting with the rest of the world remains largely unsettled. Indeed, Douthat isn't even sure what it should be.
One thing that Douthat gets at in his post is how unsettled foreign policy thinking is across the entire right side of the aisle. It is not just the reform conservatives who do not have a definitive foreign policy vision, it is the entire Republican party, and the conservative movement that makes it its core. Part of that is due to the considerable influence of Rand Paul, who has invigorated the right's long-dormant non-interventionist tendency; part of it is a result of the right's fracturing and subsequent loss of identity in the Obama era; and part of it is a result of the difficult-to-deny failures of the Iraq war—arguably the single biggest cause for Republicans in the Bush era, and just as arguably the GOP's single biggest failure. These strains have combined to shake loose the right from the relatively unified hawkish neoconservatism that defined it throughout the 00s.
So it's not exactly surprising that reform conservatism, a relatively new strain of thinking on the right built largely out of domestic policy concerns, has yet to construct a fully-realized foreign policy ideology. Indeed, it would be surprising if reform conservatism, a cautious movement championed by cautious individuals who favor cautious policies, was charging forth in such a fraught and contested space.
And yet I think that caution, which Douthat admirably reflects in his own uncertainty about what reform conservatives specifically and the right more broadly should preach when it comes to international affairs, actually provides the seed of a foreign policy stance that would fit nicely with the reform movement's broader way of thinking, appeal to many on the right (reformers and Republicans, libertarian populists and skeptics of government power across the spectrum), and inject a much-needed voice into the nation's foreign policy.
Too much of our foreign policy conversation, on both sides of the aisle, is conducted with a kind of chest-thumping certainty about what we can know, what we should do, and what the results will be if we follow through. That attitude is perhaps understandable, given the context of war and international power, but it's also frequently frustrating and unhelpful, especially given how difficult it can be to establish even the most basic facts on the ground when it comes to the particulars of many foreign policy conflicts and disputes.
A foreign policy of caution and humility, of uncertainty and wariness, might help help turn down the heat on foreign policy debates, by focusing on the limitations of America's power and—even more—its ability to determine foreign policy outcomes, and by talking as much about what we don't know as what we do.

It's not so hard to imagine this sort of caution appealing to many of the same middle and working class families that reformers and libertarian populists want to serve, partly because many of them have grown more skeptical of foreign interventions post-Iraq, and partly because it offers an approach that prioritizes prudence and common sense.
It would, necessarily, lean toward the non-interventionist side of the spectrum, stressing caution about when and whether to act, but would not be as easy to label an abdication of America's role in the world, because it would not take any course of action or inaction as a must. It would recognize America's greatness as an institution, a people, and a world power, but be humble about what the actual humans charged with making decisions with limited time and resources can know and do. It would start from the certainty that there is a lot that is unknown, and a lot that can go wrong, especially with big ideas and bold plans, and then work slowly and carefully from there.
In some sense it would take some of Rand Paul's influence, some of the pragmatism that's driving certain factions on the right, and some of the lessons of Iraq, and combine them into something that draws from all of them—a foreign policy that remains confident in America, but practical and cautious about what it can and should do around the world.
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I can get behind this, but we'll have to maintain a strong defense so that we can in fact intervene when we must. If we just become like Europe, and have virtually no offensive military capability this political paradigm shift would have been really stupid.
I don't think you have to worry about that. Our military capabilities are unparalleled. Our problem lies in the belief that we can conduct half-wars and save people from themselves. The only war that works is total war and total war should be reserved for the most dire of situations, which we have not faced in decades.
Well, there is non-state terrorism too. That requires a different kind of military and defense organization. To respond to a terrorist attack against our interests we'll probably not need to fight an all out war, but send in small units to eliminate the terrorists.
I'll give you that. As long as we go in and kill and leave.
That's what I'm thinking
Being cautious sounds reasonable, but there was a time when American Presidents projected confidence based on our culture of liberty and defense of individual rights, and were unafraid to say that other countries were evil and dangerous.
The fact remains that large communist and statist governments with giant military forces still exist and are actively attempting to subvert individuals from attaining liberty. America has been and still remains the last best hope for the world in terms of supporting these principles, whether the left wants to admit it or not.
there was a time when American Presidents projected confidence based on our culture of liberty and defense of individual rights
American Exceptionalism is so quaint.
I agree with you. There is way too much relativism being spouted off by our leaders. Obama and progressives are a perfect example of this today. All our cultures and countries are equal bullshit.
I thought Babylon 5 was our last best hope for peace, and even that failed.
+ infinity First Ones
God that show was awful. But, like, video toasting on an amiga!!! Nothing says advanced spacefaring species like jello with rockets.
Thems fightin words.
B5 was by a significant margin the greatest Sci Fi show ever made. For it's time and especially for it's budget the special effects were pretty good, not great but still pretty good and better than those on shows that came before it.
The important thing about B5 however is that it was trailblazing television. It was the first show that engaged in long format storytelling. Other shows before it like Soap Operas had long term plots but there was never a coherent storyline uniting them all. Babylon 5 was very much more like a video novel that told 1 story with a defined beginning, middle, and end.
There were no throwaway episodes (till the 5th season and even that was only because of the way the Studio dicked around with them), no monsters of the week, no world changing technobabble solutions that were forgotten in time for the next episode, everything had to fit into a coherent whole and it did. Just as importantly characters where shown growing and changing in direct response to their experiences, in TNG Picard was taken over by the Borg and killed thousands destroying half of starfleet, when rescued and restored to his human self a quick chat with the ships counselor and he was back to being the exact same person he was before, Not so in B5 when something happened to a character they changed as a result, sometimes for the better, more often not.
The real importance of B5 however is that it showed that this type of storytelling sold to the American people. Without B5 you never would have had Lost or 24 or Game of Thrones or any of the other great television on the air today.
I agree with most of this. Would point out that Lost's long form storytelling might not be a selling point though.
Lost's selling point was babes.
Nice defense. I was just going to go with Garibladi and Sheridan were better than Picard & Kirk. But this is impressive.
n TNG Picard was taken over by the Borg and killed thousands destroying half of starfleet, when rescued and restored to his human self a quick chat with the ships counselor and he was back to being the exact same person he was before
To be fair, they did examine this in a bit more depth in Deep Space Nine and First Contact.
So Team America: World Police?
Dicks, pussies and assholes man. Lots of truth in that speech.
this
Umm, he's talking about Americans standing up for America and believing in themselves, and recognizing how so many others live in inferior circumstances.
Ok bro
Fuck, YEAH!
"The fact remains that large communist and statist governments with giant military forces still exist and are actively attempting to subvert individuals from attaining liberty."
And unless those individuals are Americans, it's really not our problem. We can feel bad for them. We can, as individuals, work to assure the afflicted's quest for liberty. But, what we can't do, while still maintaining our claim as liberty's standard-bearer, is extort our citizenry's blood and treasure to be used in that cause.
That's where the "cautious" part comes in. For instance in the case with the recent downing of the Malaysian Jet, which did have an American citizen aboard, which obviously doesn't mean we should invade Russia.
But there are other things that can be done (missile defense for NATO for example) that let these regimes know that we are not going to sit idly by as they murder innocent people.
My opinion of TR has steadily degraded as I've aged, but it's hard to argue with, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
He was a lot less belligerent in office than he had been beforehand. And, even his most aggressive idea, the Roosevelt Corollary was never really put into action:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Corollary
Wasn't part of the Philippine-American war fought under him? He was also enthusiastically in favor if US involvement in ww1 from the very beginning, though after he left office
McKinley died in Sept, 1901. The main Filipino leader surrendered to the US April, 1901 although fighting would continue until April, 1902.
No doubt TR was a war cheerleader but it is interesting that he didn't really pursue a lot of conflict when he was actually in office. Contrast with his peace-loving second successor.
The smaller Moro rebellion did continue until 1913. Wilson was no doubt a POS and entering WW1 was stupid, but had it happened during Roosevelt's presidency we probably would have entered it sooner
Possibly. I'm still struck by the distance b/w TR's out-of-office rhetoric and his in office actions.
"Only Nixon can go to China" :: "only Teddy can keep us in peace"?
If Rand Paul ever becomes President of the United States of American (which I doubt), his FIRST act could be to land a jet on an aircraft carrier, and after a short speech about "Mission Accomplished", could do a few complimentary eye examinations on the Sailors.
It's comments like this that demonstrate incontrovertably that On The Road to Mandalay isn't a Tulpa sock.
Tulpa lacks the imagination to fake this sort of batshit inanity.
Tulpa lacks the imagination to fake this sort of batshit inanity.
No one does.
Tulpa is a method actor. All his characters have to be variations of 'smarmy self-important douche'. Because, well...
tarran
Too bad you don't have a sense of humor. Bet if I said something sarcastic about some politician you don't like, you would laugh yourself silly.
Have a nice evening, moron.
OTOH, without the warmongering, it would be even more difficult to distinguish between the two parties. Got to protect the neocon brand.
Reason's foreign policy wonks including Peter Suderman leave a lot to be desired.
The foreign policy should be based upon the simple principle of protecting Americans and American interests. If foreigners attack and kill Americans thus revealing a threat to America, your military eliminates the threat--not with humility--but with the self-confidence that comes with taking right and moral action. Also, you do not engage in altruist conflicts that are not in our interest--protecting the "global world order", helping the "defenseless" or righting wrongs done by other countries to other countries. You simply defend America and its citizens. Very limited action, but when action is required it is done with confidence, without hesitation and with ALL the force necessary without restraints.
Why can't Reason's writers keep up CATO's thinkers on foreign policy. Many are very good on these issues.
I'd like to agree with that, depending on what "American interests" means.
"I'd like to agree with that, depending on what "American interests" means."
This is where I start to get skeptical, too - who gets to define what "our" interests are, and why am I expected to sacrifice my or my children's lives based on this person's word that they're acting in "our" best interests?
Examples: foreigners fly airplanes into your skyscrappers, buildings of defense, attack your naval basis, kill marines, allow your foreign embassies to be overrun and Americans kidnapped. These are clear acts of war that must be dealt with with retaliation until the threat is eliminated. Police actions like Vietnam, invading Iraq were altruist actions that were wrong and not in American interest. It is not really that hard...
I own a skyscraper??
Where are my lease payments?
Funny guy.
"its" then. Appropriate pronouns were never my strength.
There is an infinite gap between "its" and "mine."
It seems like we agree ... My problem is that politicians tend to define "American interests" much more expansively than we do
Most American politicians are altruist. Their definition of American interest includes some neo-con concept of "span of interest" or "global umbrella" of other such BS. Very straight and effective. You attack, you pay. It is an existentialist mistake to attack Americans.
I don't really think American politicians act out of altruistic motives. Your philosophy may be simple and right but I don't see policy makers adopting it any time soon unfortunately
Altuism is the dominant philosophy governing America, both foreign and domestic. It is the guiding philosophy of all statist regimes.
I don't mean being nice and considerate, I mean being sacrificial as a moral duty. Very different and based on Comte's original definition.
I don't mean being nice and considerate, I mean being sacrificial as a moral duty.
None of the people calling the shots have anything resembling a system of morals, least of all one that would involve self-sacrifice.
Even by your definition, altruism is little more than a thin facade over the revealed preferences of voters and politicians alike.
Unfortunately, altruism is the unspoken philosophy that guides too many voters as well. The good is sacrificing yourself for others and it is bad to take care of yourself and to respect yourself as an individual as the Founders envisioned. Altruism is the opposite of individual rights. Until Americans relearns their originating moral philosophy we will not be the America of individualism and self-sufficiency we once were, but a sacrificial nation sacrificing its protectors (military) in foreign policy and its productive in domestic policy.
You and I can agree on this, the problem is what definition of interest do policy makers use.
I have to agree. Reason is so very weak on foreign policy. They have no real experts. It's mostly just non-interventionism and cutting defense spending. Not exactly the most thoughtful or serious.
The problem is not that of Reason per se, but of radical libertarianism. Libertarianism is one of those -isms that should not, and usually does not, honor boundaries of jurisdiction. There is no reason to think relationships between persons (or things having characteristics akin to persons) should vary depending on geography. "Foreign" and "border" have no significance in radical libertarianism.
To make any sense of a foreign policy per se, libertarians have to be less than radical on any of various pragmatic grounds. But once you do that, you're bound to introduce differences among libertarians. Therefore there is no foreign policy that will get widespread assent from libertarians. There's just as much reason for Team America: World Police or Team [Any Country]: World Police as there is for having no borders & national defense at all.
BTW, in the past, it was Reason that was relatively hawkish, and CATO relatively dovish.
I think you're probably right Robert.
Terrific point.
the difficult-to-deny failures of the Iraq war?arguably the single biggest cause for Republicans in the Bush era
NO FAIR! YOU CAN'T MENTION BUSH! NO FAIR!!!
Show us on the doll where Bush touched you Weigel.
The amazing thing is I didn't know anyone that died in that ridiculous Iraq War.
The $1.5 trillion pisses me off the most.
Well we have to bomb something. We can't just leave John McCain standing there with a raging unserviced war boner.
Uh....yes we can.
We can't just leave John McCain standing there with a raging unserviced war boner.
You would think someone who had the experiences with war that McCain had would be less bellicose. But he seems to have gone off the deep end, maybe it is his way of getting back at the world for him being powerless all those years.
McCain just said he "probably" would not have done the Iraq War thing if he had won in 2000.
Believe him or not.
That's a mental image I'm not sure I'll be able to shake.
The foreign policy should be based upon the simple principle of protecting Americans and American interests.
I generally agree with this, but one thing has bothered me for a while now. Can someone give a clear and concise definition of American interest? It seems like a phrase that could have different meaning for everybody.
Can someone give a clear and concise definition of American interest?
Cronies.
Usually access to oil.
Can someone give a clear and concise definition of American interest? It seems like a phrase that could have different meaning for everybody.
What about "the rights of our citizens"? That seems fairly logical and consistent with the NAP.
There is no concise definition, that's the problem.
Oil happens to sit at the crossroads of two powerful interests: economic and financial/monetary.
Economic because the US imports a crapload of the stuff and will grind to a halt in a relatively short period of time should the imports suddenly dry up (the SPR notwithstanding).
Financial/monetary: you could make a strong argument that the only thing that gives value to the dollar these days is the fact that oil is transacted in it. There is an enormous quantity of dollars in the world; not nearly enough economic activity exists to support its value should oil be transacted in sufficient quantities in other currencies. Producers choose how to value their oil. The US therefor has an interest in keeping the Middle East in line by any means possible.
OK, Team Red. Obama gave his obligatory Reaganesque speech at 11:30 EST - less than 24 hours after the airliner attack.
Happy now?
(of course not - don't bother)
Haha... "Reaganesque". Foolishness.
"Surly bonds" was a good line. BFD. All politicians are bullshitters.
Then perhaps they ought not be in charge of so much.
I think the real Reagan lies in Iran-Contra, support of right wing death squads and running far and fast when 245 Marines were snuffed out in the Lebanon bombing.
I suspect most on the right either don't know this basic history - or, in the case of many here and elsewhere, are authoritarians at hearth (thou doest protest too much, so don't start) and support virtually anyone who can "act the part" of the "strong leader".
Why Conservative Reformers, and the Rest of the Right, should dedicate their lives to repealing all bad laws and inventing a unicorn that farts rainbows.
You mean, mind our own business and prioritize trade over conquest? That sounds pretty good.
Er, uh, no. No! Let's bomb Iran! Then let's overthrow the North Korean government and replace it with a "good" government like ours!