Some Obamacare Health Plans in New York Request Double-Digit Increases

The state of New York was one of Obamacare's clearest winners: In the years prior to the enactment of the federal health law, the state had all but ruined its individual insurance market with a handful of strict regulations that caused premiums to skyrocket and enrollment in individual insurance plans to dwindle to a fraction of what was normal. So when Obamacare arrived, it helped bring individual market premiums down.
But how long will that last? Some customers are already experiencing "sticker shock" regarding next year's rate increases, according to The New York Times:
Some New Yorkers are in sticker shock after receiving notices from their insurance companies saying that they have asked for significant rate increases through the state's health exchange next year.
The exchange, which has prided itself on being affordable, is now facing requests for increases as high as 28 percent for some customers of MetroPlus, a new entry to the individual insurance market and one of the least costly — and most popular — plans on the exchange this year.
Beth Leibson, a Manhattan resident, received a letter from MetroPlus saying it was working on raising her rate by 28 percent. She said this was a higher one-year increase than any rate rise she had had with previous insurance, including insurance under the federal law known as Cobra, where she paid the entire bill. "It seems to me that this defeats the purpose of 'affordable' health insurance," Ms. Leibson said.
Over all, including plans inside or outside the exchange, insurance companies asked for average rate increases of 13 percent in 2015, the state's Financial Services Department said Wednesday. The requests cover individual and small-group plans, but not large-group plans like those offered by large companies and government employers.
These rate increases don't factor in subsidies, and it's possible that they will be reduced before going into effect. And some smaller insurers aren't asking for hikes quite as large. But according to the New York Post, the bigger health plans are asking for larger hikes. Which makes a certain sort of sense: They already have a built in customer base, and now can proceed with ratcheting up rates, while smaller competitors may be looking to draw in customers. You see a similar pattern in Maryland, where CareFirst, which has more than 90 percent of the Obamacare exchange market, is requesting increases between 23 and 30 percent, according to The Washington Post.
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And New York's insurance market was already fucked up and thus a bit more immune from being further fucked up by Obamacare. Yet, here we are seeing double digit increases. That doesn't bode well for people in states with less fucked up insurance markets.
Remember folks, we had to pass Obamacare to bend the cost curve.
Well in their defense, it did bend the cost curve just in the opposite direction of what they lead people to believe.
Well, look at this rationally if you can. New York reported the largest declines in premium costs this year. What is the net price difference after next year's increase? You don't know (nor do I).
Florida insurers just asked for a rate cut (two of them to be accurate).
The prices for this year were set in 2013, before Obamacare. 2014 is the first year that takes Obamacare into account.
Not true. The ACA is in effect now (2014) and premiums were set based on the current ACA law. They are now asking for rate adjustments effective 2015.
The insurers didn't just learn about the ACA this year.
NY had the highest rates in the country prior to Obamacare you idiot. So yes, they had nowhere to go but down (at least for one year anyway, since they are going back up).
And it's about to get even more expensive:
By the way, the D.C. Circuit might nuke ObamaCare tomorrow
You have to love TPM
But the challengers seized on an ambiguity in the language of the statute which says the subsidies are to be provided by "an Exchange established by the State."
In a statute that uses the words "federal" and "state" about a gazzillion times, "an Exchange established by the State" is an ambiguity. Who knows what they meant by state there.
Shriek hardest hit.
There's still more lawsuits over Obamacare making their way to the Supreme Court. Obamacare is getting pecked to death, but like a bad horror movie, it just won't die.
BENDING THE COST CURVE DOWN!
Mmm, mmm. That schadenfraude sho' am sweet.
Of all the promises and predictions offered for the greatness of Obamacare - which ones have ended up true?
We have to pass it to find out whats in it and this is a big fucking deal.
Her actual quote was "We have to pass it so YOU will find out what's in it".
Key word difference.
Wow. Instead of sounding like a lazy asshole, she sounds like a deceitful asshole.
Something everybody has seemed to forget about (or at least not talk about) is the deficit-neutral promise. That's what really pisses me off. Despite terrible track records of government medical programs coming in way over budget, Obama and Co. successfully peddled the "not adding a dime to the deficit" mantra. And, of course, they were dead wrong, but they're not getting much shit for it.
It's not adding A dime, it's adding billions of dimes.
Key word difference there.
I am especially amused that one of the reasons they had to outlaw "junk" policies was that they had high deductibles. It now turns out that many Obamacare policies have sky-high deductibles.
Obamacare worked! It's the evil insurance companies that are raising their rates! Just like it was not the fault of Obamacare that people had their "sub par" insurance plans cancelled, but because those evil insurance CORPORATIONS cancelled them. When will people realize when good things happen, it's because of the federal government, and bad things are the fault of the private sector?
Actually, it is the market at work. NY sees costs go up - FL down. Then they adjust.
a (1) : a meeting together of people for the purpose of trade by private purchase and sale and usually not by auction (2) : the people assembled at such a meeting
Granted - it is no free market but health insurance never has been.
Hey Weigel.
How is it the market at work when the changes in rates are not caused by anything market related? Obamacare was supposed to lower rates.Some rates became marginally lower, while overall rates increased. Now the states that had marginally lower rates are increasing again as well. None of these fluctuations has anything to do with supply and demand.
Not to mention, those rates hide the true cost, since they don't include subsidies.
The rates include the true cost. The subsidies just divide that cost between the beneficiary and . . . somebody else. Nobody really knows.
Obama now regarded by America as the shittiest president since World War Ii.
Choke on it and die, Davey boy.
Beth Leibson, a Manhattan resident, received a letter from MetroPlus saying it was working on raising her rate by 28 percent.
Why do I have this image in my head of Obama rubbing Nancy Pelosi's absurdly enlarged clitoris his hands together and BWAHAHAHAing?
Now I have this image in my head of Obama starting a fire with Nancy Pelosi's absurdly enlarged clitoris under Elizabeth Warren's expert Native American guidance.
Beth Leibson, a Manhattan resident, received a letter from MetroPlus saying it was working on raising her rate by 28 percent. She said this was a higher one-year increase than any rate rise she had had with previous insurance, including insurance under the federal law known as Cobra, where she paid the entire bill. "It seems to me that this defeats the purpose of 'affordable' health insurance," Ms. Leibson said.
Elections have consequences.
If only there was some way to look at history before deciding who to vote for.
This. I don't feel sorry for her, and hope Obamacare takes her to the brink of ruin.
These rate increases don't factor in subsidies,
Nor should they. That's the dollar figure the insurance companies need/want. They don't care whether the money is coming from the beneficiary or a subsidy.
Nor, as should be perfectly obvious, will everyone have a subsidy for their policy, so some people are going to eat the whole thing.
Requests for price increases?
Is that how it works? 'Dear Government, can we respond to market forces like you said we could?'
Good luck with that. They'll probably be told, 'no, take losses, we'll subsidize YOU on the back end while still subsidizing consumers on the front end, just so we can keep up this charade of the 'market working!'
"We have to pass it so YOU will find out what's in it".
And then, we'll all have a good laugh.
Haha, SUCKERS!
Precious Roy Affordable Care Act (PRACA).
1,295,571 Obamacare enrollees may be illegals.
Do they smoke pot and have sex up the ass too?
Don't buy any insurance. Declare to the govt. that you cannot afford the policy (thus not paying the penalty) and fly down to Mexico for your health needs. I did this for decades when I lived in PA and MS. The prices are quite low because of free-enterprise competition. I pay as low as $2 for a visit to a private clinic, "Dr. Simi" which is a chain with hundreds of clinics everywhere. Lab-tests & most medicines require NO prescription. Don't live under big-brother rules; be free, be happy!