Save the Lion-Hunting Cheerleader, Save the Lions!


Kendall Jones is a young, blond Texas cheerleader and—if you listen to the Internet outrage machine—a cold-blooded killer.
The 19-year-old Texas Tech University student has been attacked on her Facebook page for posting photos of herself posing with dead exotic animals she killed on African hunting trips. Currently, there are two petitions calling for her hide: the first one asks Facebook to take down the photos and the second asks for her to be barred from Africa.
Jones has defended her big game hunting saying that her kills are not only legal but they promote conservation efforts.
And you know what? She's right.
It seems counterintuitive: How can killing animals actually save endangered wildlife?
According to Reason Science Coorespondent Ronald Bailey we should look to the chickens:
The world is in no danger of running out of chickens. Yet the world has fewer and fewer elephants. lions, tigers, giraffes and so forth. Why? In part it is because no one owns wild animals and consequently they are nuisances rather than resources.
A 2005 paper in the Journal of International Wildlife Law and Policy provides evidence for this phenomenon:
The legalization of white rhinoceros hunting in South Africa motivated private landowners to reintroduce the species onto their lands. As a result, the country saw an increase in white rhinos from fewer than one hundred individuals to more than 11,000, even while a limited number were killed as trophies.
A study done by Peter Lindsey, a conservation biologist with the Univeristy of Zimbabwe in Harare, came to the same conclusion:
Trophy hunting is of key importance to conservation in Africa by creating [financial] incentives to promote and retain wildlife as a land use over vast areas.
Because contrary to what animal rights activists are posting on Jones' Facebook page, the primary threat to endangered animals is not trophy hunting. It's the destruction of the animals' natural habitats and poaching. And as conservationist Mike Norton-Griffiths points out, private ownership curbs both of these issues:
The economic driving force behind both these is the fact that for most landowners the returns available from agriculture greatly exceed those from livestock, so it pays them to plough up the rangelands. Everything is loaded against landowners making money from wildlife…
If Kenya wishes to maintain significant wildlife populations outside its protected areas, then it has to ensure that landowners can gain an income from wildlife that is competitive with what they can earn from agriculture and livestock.
Let the cheerleader hunt. She's saving our wildlife, after all.
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Currently, there are two petitions calling for her hide
Indeed...
She can mount me anyday.
Save the loin-hunting cheerleader!
Good argument to use: "Who the fuck is going to pay for the rangers to protect these animals from poachers and the breeding/release programs? You?"
My employer?
If my employer doesn't pay for rangers to protect these animals from paochers, my employer is preventing those rangers from protecting those animals from poachers.
WAR ON NATURE!!111one!!1!!11elevntyeleven!!
Who the fuck is going to pay for the rangers to protect these animals from poachers and the breeding/release programs? You?
Not to tout NPR too heavily but, I'd refer them here.
I think a lot of them do have the notion that it is a simple matter of paying for park rangers or banning hunters rather than employing armed representatives to negotiate "gentlemen's agreements" with murderous warlords to only kill the *people* from the opposing tribe or next country over.
She took down a lion with a bow? Respect.
Whole lotta respect.
I was thinking about this too. Maybe lions are "easy" because they are apex predators and generally don't give a crap about other animals approaching them. But who wants to be within bow distance of a lion with only a bow? I'm betting she had a guide with her and that guide was packing some serious heat.
I'm betting she had a guide with her and that guide was packing some serious heat.
Damn right she had an armed guide.
All you idiots are focused on the lion on the other side of your bow. Lion food, all of you. Have you never seen a nature show?
"Clever Girl."
Of course she had backup.
Nobody bowhunts serious predators without a backup, and even a lot of people hunting with guns aren't the only one in their party with a gun.
It sounds more like she was the backup.
In Africa, I don't care if you're hunting dik-dik, there will be a pro guide at your elbow, and he will have serious firepower.
Love this story from Peter Hathaway Capstick about the time he tried to kill a cape buffalo with a spear:
http://books.google.com/books?.....q=Capstick spear buffalo&f=false
Oh yeah, mad respect. Hunting lions is really, really tough. It takes incredible skill, as evidenced by this harrowing account: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538.....you-c?bffb
Did they use a gun or bow?
Also, why does it have to be brave if it benefits the locals with predator control, gives them meat, and brings in tens of thousands dollars?
All of a sudden, the leftis against something that brings tons of money to African villages and helps feed the people.
There is so much sand in their orifices over the last few days, I can't understand how they walk without severe pain.
It doesn't have to be brave, but you and others defending her have acted like it was.
I think is was David Friedman who mentioned that if you really want more trees, use paper.
"the second asks for her to be barred from Africa"
African leaders don't have the best reputation for good government, but I doubt they would be that stupid - this is the sort of stupidity you can only get from self-righteous American ignoramuses.
Just who do these half-wits think can bar anyone from going to Africa? Do they really think Africa is a country?
Sadly, the probably do.
Well, the people who live there are all Africans, right?
And apparently some that live here.
Too racist?
Just who do these half-wits think can bar anyone from going to Africa?
U.S. Department of State, Bureau of African Affairs.
Transportation Security Administration no-fly list.
Etc.
Oh, like they "ban" people from going to Cuba. Got it.
Given this administration, I'd be not at all surprised if strings were pulled. Rule of men, bitches.
Fine Brittany. Have your little facts, I have FEELINGS about the animals!
And the Mud Momma!
The emoting and anger floating around tells me that most people get their understanding of wildlife and ecosystem dynamics from Disney movies.
Who are you ridiculing?
Do we really expect simpletons incapable of looking past their emotional outrage at issues to understand the broader picture here?
No, but it is sort of fun to mock them.
Yes, pat yourself on the back while deliberately refusing to see the serious points that people who disagree with you make. That probably does feel good.
I actually had success telling my wife that the locals view most wild African animals as pests, and the money from hunting permits keeps the locals killing them to protect crops and livestock.
She wasn't totally sold on idea, but it moved her from outrage to slightly uncomfortable.
And where did you get your information about what most locals in Africa think? From this article?
It's not a coincidence that these outragegasms happen when it's a hot chick doing the trophy hunting. Killing lions is bad, being hot is unforgivable.
Also, lion baby cuddle friends!!!!
SRSLY I CAN'T EVEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQWe34nIfq0
Hunting's not my bag and I can't say that seeing her pose with the trophies gives me the warm and fuzzies, but the idiots protesting are making regular idiots look bad.
I can't help but think that sexism isn't responsible for a lot of the outrage here.
Rich guys regularly do this and no one bats an eye.
Of course people bat an eye. Just because one person has drawn a lot of outrage, that doesn't mean that people aren't also outraged at others doing the same thing.
I'm looking for a trip to celebrate my 50th next year. Maybe Africa to shoot a big ass cat.
Save money, get dropped in some random bad neighborhood in LA or Chicago or Detroit and fight your way out...
You need to one-up this cheerleader and do it with a spear.
Bare hands or GTFO.
As I like to say, if you don't want the tragedy of the commons, don't be in such a hurry to set up the commons.
What a waste. She should be testifying before congress for free birth control. A life wasted.
Hunting? Private property? Guns? It's the Prog outrage trifecta!
No, it's a quintafecta, since there's a *cheerleader* from *Texas!*
^THIS
(or at least crossbows)
After all their overpriced education, progs are still dumber than a Texas Tech cheerleader.
That's what you get when your religion tells you that guns are inherently evil, cursed objects.
REVILE THE DEODAND!
And good looking, so our resident turd will likely have a new handle soon.
What? Are you implying somebody will start posting here under the name Kendall's Crossbow?
Not quite, but you're real close!
And white.
Add to it that it's in Africa so you have all these pearl clutchers suggesting that rich white Americans are taking advantage of the local villages who are apparently not smart enough to resist.
I guess it would be better to let them kill the animals and not get thousands of dollars from fees, permits, and tourism.
It isn't private property.
While she is just cute as can be, knows how to shoot, and is apparently pretty sharp, that's all offset by one overwhelming negative.
She comes from money.
How's that a negative?
Particularly since she posts her big game trophy kills on fb rather than her latest clothing purchases. She seems like a fine young lady.
How's that a negative?
There's a saying in Texas; "The only problem with marrying money is that eventually you wind up earning it."
I would like to come into money.
All you need is a wad of bills . . . .
So a cashlight?
The legalization of white rhinoceros hunting in South Africa
Namibia is another excellent example:
http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/228374
Across the world, the demonstrated choice is between regulated hunting as part of a wildlife management plan, or wild animals going extinct.
I have suggested in the past that we need to get in on that locally. Set up some rhino herds in Texas. Rhanching.
60 Minutes reported on this very solution. However, Connecticut based Friends of the Animals for the inclusion of many of the animals to the US Endangered Species Act,y thereby outlawing hunting them. As a result, the scimitar-horned oryx can no longer be hunted. They once lived in great numbers throughout a large stretch of North Africa and were declared extinct in the wild in 2000. But the animals have thrived in Texas, their numbers growing from 32 in 1979 to more than 11,000 today, meaning that more oryx live here than anywhere else. Not for much long however. Profit disappears...oryx goes.
I hope they are using sound conservation methods with respect to the big cats and other predators, especially the big cats. It's quite different than how you would handle elephants and rhinos. Cat social structure makes it a bit more complicated. Which animal you kill matters a lot. For example killing a dominant male that's the head of a pride would result in a new male coming in and killing the previous male's cubs. So hopefully they aren't killing lions and other big cats willy nilly and only targeting certain animals. Otherwise they are defeating their own conservation purposes.
For example killing a dominant male that's the head of a pride would result in a new male coming in and killing the previous male's cubs.
Are you saying an alpha male dies naturally and the pride collapses? And that a shooting death is somehow different?
Unless the ascending lion kills every lion in the pride I fail to see how the numbers are dramatically diminished for any amount of time shorter than whatever a lions gestation period is.
Also, this doesn't invalidate the underlying point. When the pride or even just the dominant males' numbers dwindle, there's a heightened incentive on the part of the owners and the hunters to repopulate.
Are you saying an alpha male dies naturally and the pride collapses? And that a shooting death is somehow different?
The pride doesn't necessarily collapse when the male dies, but any cubs will die if another male comes into the picture and the females can't fight him off.
But yeah, it's different. Lion social structure is complicated and that's why you can devastate a local lion population if you kill a few of the wrong lions, the ones holding the social structure together. You know, like killing Saddam Hussein.
Here:
http://www.livescience.com/415.....vival.html
Well, the alternative to an open market hunting season is that the locals kill every one they see.
Is that "sound conservation"?
I'm saying that when they do this, they should only allow the right animals to be killed and not allow the wrong animals to be.
Umm. I was under the impresson that prides were headed by Females. Unless my cat education is seriously off.
Props for towing the lion.
..the primary threat to endangered animals is not trophy hunting. It's the destruction of the animals' natural habitats and poaching.
And I'm not even sure natural habitat destruction is a problem... that's not a phenomenon that would endanger chickens, pigs, cattle, and so forth.
"Save the Lion-Hunting Cheerleader, Save the Lions!"
No thanks to both. Also arguing that it is good to kill individuals for the sake of the "species" seems pretty contrary to typical libertarian reasoning.
So you don't want to save the lions, Zack?
Not really, in fact if she was only killing lions I wouldn't really have a problem with her. It's the rhinos/elephants/buffalo that I'm more concerned with.
The basic conundrum is this:
All those animals have zero economic value (except as meat for the locals), and they can put some serious costs on the locals.
Any animal in that situation is going to get as exterminated by the locals as possible.
Now, start hanging some five-figure price tags on those animals (which only trophy hunters will pay), and you've got animals that people will try to keep around. In order to cash those checks.
Which is the superior approach to conservation?
Privatized parks that offer non violent safaris (sight seeing/photog/hiking) might be something to try.
I do want to stress that to me the well being of the individual matters more than abstract stuff such as "species" or "conservation."
So if the above safari could sustain half the area that one which sold big game hunts could it might still be better.
Eg Elephants are long lived and very social animals that mourn the loss of loved ones I think it would be better to have 2000 living peacefully than 4000 living with the constant stress of being hunted.
You're right though it is not as straightforward an issue as most of these people think, but I think peaceful options should be explored first.
In the recent case of the Safari Club auction the particular rhino to be killed was old, past breeding age, and aggressive to the point he was killing other rhinos. He needed to be killed for the good of the herd, whether by hunting or not.
Much like an elderly person in dementia who is dangerous to others needs locked up, regardless of how we would normally view incrceration.
If he was old enough that his quality of life was in decline and was harming other rhinos then I think that is fine(although I don't think past breeding age is relevant). However it would be better to administer an overdose of pain killers than make a game out of it. We don't take Alzheimer patients out back for target practice.
However it would be better to administer an overdose of pain killers than make a game out of it
If it was your Rhino you could kill it any way you wanted too. Of course it's not your rhino so why the fuck should anyone care about your sick, rhino euthanasia fetish?
If we were talking about a plant or rock or something then sure, but a rhino is a sentient being. You don't get to abuse your rhino for kicks and giggles just like you don't get to abuse your kids.
Some villages explicitly want Rhino population control as the Rhinos do serious damage to planted crops and can trample their smaller food animals.
Why?
Is it worse for a foreigner to pay them thousands of dollars to do something they would do anyway?
Why do those have to be the only two options?
Can't tell if serious..
I'm confused as to why THIS successful big cat hunt causes more outrage than all the other ones? Why do they want to ban HER from Africa but not all the other big game hunters? I'm totally confused.
Because she is a she.
I despise Michelle Bachmann, but couldn't help but notice that she got a lot more flak than any male else who's hunting of African animals was publicized.
It could be because she has tried to draw attention to herself, with a facebook page.
And a bow-hunter too.
HOTTTT.
And I'm not even gay.
Here is a completely different attitude to lions and conservation.
Kevin Richardson - the "lion whisperer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNCzSfv4hX8
If it turns out she had the lion shot by a professional, and merely posed with the corpse... well, let's just say the apology photoshoot for Maxim will have to be very sincere.