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Fascism Comes to Ukraine–From Russia

Debunking Putin's propaganda to the west

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Despite multiple debunkings, claims that Ukraine's pro-Western revolution brought about by the Maidan protests was really a fascist (if not neo-Nazi) coup persist, and not just from the Kremlin propaganda machine and conspiracy-minded fringe websites that seek the evil hand of American imperialism everywhere. The other day, it turned up in a column in the Guardian by veteran journalist John Pilger, who depicts the Kiev leadership as a fascist junta and its supporters as homicidal thugs—and Vladimir Putin as "the only leader to condemn the rise of fascism in 21st-century Europe." Meanwhile, evidence continues to mount that the Putin regime is not fighting fascism but promoting it—not just in Europe, where it is cultivating ties with far-right movements, but in Ukraine, where the separatist movement in the east is a nest of Kremlin-sponsored Russian ultranationalists.

The narrative of the United States colluding with neo-Nazis in Ukraine has a lot of currency on the left. Late last month, the subject came up repeatedly during an appearance by Ukrainian Jewish leader Josef Zissels, a strong Maidan supporter, at the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research in New York. During the question-and-answer period, an angry man in the audience berated Zissels for downplaying the fascist threat: "Neo-Nazis" from the Svoboda party, he insisted, had captured key national security posts including the ministry of defense and were certainly never going to relinquish that power. When Zissels, clearly impatient with the topic, pointed out that the Svoboda-affiliated defense minister was already gone from that post, the man—who turned out to be New York University professor of politics and veteran Marxist Bertell Ollman, armed with an article from the far-left online magazine Counterpunch—was visibly skeptical.

But, of course, Zissels was right; Ihor Tehnyuk, the first acting minister of defense in the interim government and a Svoboda politician, had been dismissed on March 25 and replaced by a nonpartisan career military officer. Even apart from being dated, the widely cited Counterpunch piece contains several inaccuracies. It misidentifies unaffiliated Education Minister Serhiy Kvit as a Svoboda member, describes national security chief Andriy Parubiy as a "co-founder of Svoboda" without mentioning his post-2004 move to moderate and even left-of-center parties, and promotes Dmitro Yarosh, head of the paramilitary group Right Sector, to deputy national security chief when in fact he sought that position but did not get it.

Zissels, like most Maidan revolution supporters, believes that Ukrainian fascism is a Russian propaganda-inflated phantom menace. (He also echoed the view, common among Ukrainian liberals, that both Svoboda and Right Sector were created by the pro-Russian Yanukovych regime—both as tools to control nationalist activism and as bogeymen to scare the liberal opposition.) Other observers, such as University of Ottawa political scientist Ivan Katchanovski, argue that militant far-right nationalists did play a key role in the violent turn of the protests against the pro-Russian regime of Viktor Yanukovych in February.

Sorting out these conflicting accounts, in a situation as volatile and chaotic as this year's events in Ukraine, is a daunting enterprise. Among those interested in facts rather than propaganda wars, there is also considerable debate about the extent to which either Svoboda or Right Sector can be described as "fascist." Katchanovski, who takes a fairly harsh view of the role of right-wing nationalist groups in Ukraine, has said that Svoboda is currently "radical nationalist" but not "fascist or neo-Nazi" or overtly anti-Semitic. At his New York appearance, Zissels stressed that, whatever this or that nationalist leader may personally think of Jews, anti-Semitism is not considered acceptable rhetoric in Ukrainian politics right now.

No less important, events since the fall of the Yanukovych regime strongly suggest that the current influence of far-right groups is negligible. Svoboda lawmakers were initially able to push through a bill repealing the 2012 law that guaranteed the status of Russian as the country's second official language—but it was promptly vetoed by acting President Oleksandr Turchynov. Right Sector was the target of a government crackdown in late March: Its most militant fighter, Oleksandr Muzychko, was gunned down during a police chase, the group's headquarters was raided in Kiev, and the parliament voted to disarm all paramilitary units. If anything has hindered the implementation of this decision, it is, above all, separatist unrest in the East and the threat of a Russian invasion.

The tragic deaths of more than 40 people (mostly pro-Russia activists) in a fire in Odessa on May 2 after a clash between pro-Russia and pro-Ukraine demonstrators has added fuel, as it were, to the "Ukrainian Nazis" narrative—particularly since it easily lends itself to World War II parallels of people being burned alive by Nazis. In his Guardian piece, Pilger baldly accuses anyone who treats the circumstances of the fire as "murky" of complicity in the coverup of a massacre. But in fact, the circumstances are murky—to such an extent that even some "alternative" media pushing the "neo-Nazi atrocity" angle have suggested that the incident was a "false flag operation," with the dead slaughtered inside the building before the fire and the pro-Maidan "fascists" disguising themselves as separatists to stage the street fight. Just why Maidan supporters would engineer this horrific hoax to make their opponents look sympathetic is not explained.

Meanwhile, Pilger recycles an already discredited (and removed) Facebook post by an "Odessa doctor" claiming that the nationalists stopped him from helping injured people who managed to get out of the building and chased him off with anti-Semitic threats. (Video footage shown on Russian TV—with voice-over narration claiming that fire survivors who managed to get out were beaten and hacked to death outside—actually shows people in the crowd assisting a woman who climbs down a rope from a window.)

There is little doubt that the Ukrainian nationalist movement, like any nationalism, has its ugly side—from thuggish soccer fans, implicated in the violence in Odessa, to more sinister groups that flirt with Nazi imagery and speak of "Ukraine for Ukrainians." But the overwhelming evidence is that these elements are marginal and very far from controlling Ukraine's agenda. If there is a "neo-Nazi junta" in power in Kiev, it would be the first such junta in history to have the active support of the Jewish community and give key posts to Jews.

Meanwhile, in the east of Ukraine, the separatist movement is giving key posts in its puppet governments to people like Russian "political consultant" Aleksandr Borodai, the new "prime minister" of the "Donetsk People's Republic." Even leaving aside the fact that this new servant of Ukrainian federalism is a Russian citizen rumored to work for Russia's state security agency, the FSB, Borodai has a long history of involvement with Russian ultranationalist circles.

In the 1990s, Borodai worked for the newspaper Zavtra ("Tomorrow"), run by the eccentric journalist and novelist Aleksandr Prokhanov—a devout Stalinist and notorious anti-Semite whose ideology bears strong marks of Russian fascism if not Nazism (including fascination with the idea that Russia is the true "mystical womb" of Aryan civilization). This week, Prokhanov sang Borodai's praises to Russia's National News Service, calling him a true "White Russian nationalist." And Borodai's involvement with Russia's nationalist lunatic fringe—which, these days, is scarily close to the mainstream—is not limited to the past. In December 2011, he and Prokhanov co-founded the "patriotic" Web TV channel Den-TV ("Day"); today, Borodai is one of the channel's three editorial board members, along with Prokhanov, and one of its regular hosts. Among Den-TV's other regulars: Konstantin Dushenov, a writer who has actually served time in a penal colony for anti-Semitic incitement. Dushenov is the author of a video series titled "Russia With a Knife in its Back: Jewish Fascism and the Genocide of the Russian People," and the publisher of a 2006 open letter asking for a ban on all Jewish organizations in Russia.

This is just one example of the key role nationalist extremist groups from Russia have played in separatist militancy in Eastern Ukraine. On May 7, the Ukrainian security service, the SBU, released the audio of an intercepted telephone conversation in which a man said to be Aleksandr Barkashov, the leader of Russian National Unity (RNU)—a paramilitary group that can, without exaggeration, be called neo-Nazi—was instructing an organizer of the Donetsk independence referendum, Dmitro Boitsov, on making up the required results.

On his page on Vkontakte, the Russian version of Facebook, Barkashov implied that the audio was fake—but on the grounds that he was actually in Donetsk and had no need to talk to Boitsov on the phone when they could chat "over a cup of tea." (For good measure, he mocked the Ukrainian security agency as "the Yid-Khokhol SBU"; khokhol is the Russian pejorative term for Ukrainians.) However, Yuri Vendik of the BBC Russian Service notes that a May 5 post on Barkashov's Vkontakte page, since taken down, recounted a phone call from "our brothers and comrades-in-arms in Donetsk" that sounds exactly like the SBU intercept. In any case, Barkashov's page fully confirms his extensive involvement in the events in Donetsk, where he says the RNU is organizing volunteer troops to fight "the vicious Kiev junta."

Earlier, Russian neo-fascist guru Aleksandr Dugin (the subject of an admiring interview published in English in 2012 on the white supremacist website Countercurrents), was intercepted in a Skype call mentoring another Ukrainian separatist activist, Yekaterina Gubareva, wife of then-imprisoned Donetsk separatist leader Pavel Gubarev (formerly active in Barkashov's RNU). 

Then there's "the Wolves' Hundred," a group of Russian Cossack militiamen fighting in Ukraine. As Time's Simon Schuster has pointed out, there is a certain irony in the Cossacks parroting the Kremlin line about fighting Ukrainian Nazis: The group's founder, Shkuro, was a Nazi collaborator executed by the Soviets in 1947. Have the Cossacks evolved since then? Maybe not: In a video statement released this week, one of the group's leaders, the colorful "Babay" (Aleksandr Mozhaev), explained that its goal was to destroy "the Jew-Masons," who are "fomenting disorder all over the world" and "causing us, the common Orthodox Christian folk, to suffer." Another Cossack in Slavyansk told The Guardian's Luke Harding that Russians and Ukrainians were one people "before Jews like Trotsky divided us."

While the infamous Donetsk leaflet ordering Jews to register and pay a special fee to the separatist "government" was almost certainly a hoax, Russian political scientist Anton Shekhovtsov, who studies right-wing radicalism, points out that there have been real and numerous manifestations of anti-Semitism in the anti-Maidan movement in southeastern Ukraine. Among them: street posters, Internet posts, and even speeches at rallies attacking the new Kiev government as a Jewish clique seeking to use Ukrainians to defend the interests of wealthy Jews, or depicting the Maidan revolution as a "Zionist coup." The Euro-Asian Jewish Congress notes that when pro-Russian separatists seized control of the television station in Slavyansk on April 17, their introductory broadcast was a video bearing the logo and Web address of the rabidly anti-Semitic Popular Liberation Movement and promising that their broadcasting would be a counterattack against "the Zionist zombie box."

Of course, Moscow is not directing all these activities, but it takes full advantage of them and manipulates militant nationalism for its own purposes. The extent to which the Putin regime's drive against the Maidan revolution in Ukraine is enmeshed with extremist nationalist forces in Russia is revealed by a startling fact: One of the two journalists currently reporting from Ukraine for Komsomolskaya Pravda, Russia's highest-circulation newspaper (owned by a corporation with strong government ties), has a long history of involvement with nationalist extremism. The journalist, Dmitry Steshin, used to write for Russkiy Obraz ("Russian Image"), a magazine of the now-banned movement by the same name. Steshin was even called as a witness in 2011 when a friend of his, fellow Russkiy Obraz member Nikita Tikhonov, was tried (and convicted) in the slaying of human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov and journalist Anastasia Baburova.

Russia, fighting fascism in Ukraine? There's a claim that gives a new meaning to chutzpah.

This article originally appeared on Real Clear Politics.

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135 responses to “Fascism Comes to Ukraine–From Russia

  1. This the antidote to Sheldon Richman?

    1. Most of the commenters here seem to just want a soapbox to voice their dislike of cosmotarians. I’m one of the few here who actually agree with the writers at least 90% of the time. Okay Richman is a Rothbardian loon, but I was a Rothbardian at a younger age so it’s nothing alien to me, plus I just love it when he puts a magnifying glass in between the sun and you war-loving psychos. BURN ANTS BURN!

      1. The only person here who may be deserving of the “war-loving psycho” label is Cytotoxic. I may disagree with John a lot on foreign policy, but I definitely wouldn’t put him in that box, and I certainly wouldn’t put Swiss Servator in there.

        1. “Swiss Servator”, despite his handle which indicates a sane foreign policy as pursued by the Swiss, has said some hawkish things before, and John isn’t even in the upper quadrant of the Nolan Chart so I don’t know why he bothers to come here.

          Speaking of John, could this be him?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bXfS2l4R8o

          1. Said some hawkish things before?

            Dude – I have been on the pointy end of hawkish things – Afghanistan 2004-2005 and Iraq 2008. I know what the end result of urging military intervention is.

            I am a mind-your-own business type. When I see Richman say crazy stuff, I can object without insisting that we drop the 82nd Airborne on Moscow or Tehran.

            I am unsure why pointing out that Russia is a despotic, imperialist shit-hole and Iran is full of ruling clique assholes who want to kill and terrorize, despite Richman’s protestations, would be controversial.

            1. I never said Russia wasn’t a despotic, imperialist shit hole, and while Iran has alot of crazy people (though not as crazy as our “friends” in Saudi Arabia), so did/does Iraq and Libya, but look at where that got us. It’s not a guarantee but history does, more often than not, repeat itself.

              1. You do realize you’re the only one bringing up military action, right?

                1. No he doesn’t. He’s fighting the battles of 2007 and he needs it.

                  1. Yeah because Libya was an issue in 2007 /sarcasm

                    1. Woosh!

        2. The only person here who may be deserving of the “war-loving psycho” label is Cytotoxic.

          Nope that’s just peacenazi frustration at their inability to counter my excellent arguments. They’re also frustrated that I advocate against intervention in most circumstances such as Syria and this means I ruin the caricature of me they so badly need to fight.

          1. “Peacenazi” is one of the worst, most hyperbolic contradictions I have ever seen.

          2. “war-loving psycho”

            In fairness i think the US should invade Canada.

          3. You’ve regularly made remarks about the glories of war that are obscenely inappropriate to any rational person, and you’ve advocated for legal infanticide. I reiterate what I said above.

            1. Could you please be more vague?

            2. Hmmm…I’m for legal infanticide too, but I don’t go on about war’s being glorious, although I think anti-interventionism is a labor-saving tool which doesn’t always give as good results as actual appl’n of judgment.

      2. I just love it when he puts a magnifying glass in between the sun and you war-loving psychos.

        One can be anti-war/foreign entanglement and still think Richman is full of shit, moron.

        But thanks for playing.

        1. I already said he was a Rothbardian loon. Try reading my comments thoroughly before replying, moron.

          But thanks for playing.

          1. But if you point it out, you are “a war loving psycho”?

            1. He’s a confused Bo redux.

              1. @ Cytotoxic

                There you go again with the black talk. I am not black!

              2. This is a stupid game of =

                “if you are NOT a hardcore adherent to the (non-applicable) theory of “NONTERVENTIONISMS”

                …then you are by default a SCREAMING PRO INTERVENTIONIST WARMONGERING BLOODTHIRSTY COLONIALIST SLAVEMASTER GENOCIDE-FOSTERING NUCLEAR DEATH DEALING PSYCHOPATH”

                Which is profoundly dumb.

                With Bo, that is understandable. With others, no so much.

                1. “if you are NOT a hardcore adherent to the (non-applicable) theory of “NONTERVENTIONISMS”

                  Welcome to non-interventionsism peacenazism.

            2. My problem with Richman is that he’s a crazy anarchist, not his views on foreign policy.

              1. Okay so you’re as wantonly delusional and ignorant as Derpman. Good for you I’m sure you’re proud.

                1. Take away the insults and your comment has zero meaning.

          2. I already said he was a Rothbardian loon. Try reading my comments thoroughly before replying, moron.

            Yeah, sure, the problem is my reading comprehension:

            plus I just love it when he puts a magnifying glass in between the sun and you war-loving psychos.

            My reading comprehension is just fine, maybe you are too fucking stupid to express yourself coherently.

      3. “war-loving psychos. BURN ANTS BURN!”

        Swing. Miss. Strike three – report to dugout.

        I am fairly certain I am not psychotic – I have it on good account that I hold a job down, manage to be a decent family man and part of the community without violating the NAP on man or beast.

        War loving is even more laughable. Getting shot at sucks, shooting back is not fun either. And being away from family, home and friends blows. My civilian career has been set back by all that time gone too.

      4. ok, piece by piece then =

        “CentristClassicalLiberal|5.22.14 @ 12:13PM|#

        Most of the commenters here seem to just want a soapbox to voice their dislike of cosmotarians…

        a) define ‘cosmotarian’, because I’m not sure what you’re even talking about. Most of the time if there’s any hate-cheerleading, its over Douchebag Trolls like [Shreek, Tony, Bo, ‘Murkin, Mary] – not writers, their articles, or the mythical aforementioned ‘cosmos’.

        ..”I’m one of the few here who actually agree with the writers at least 90% of the time…”

        back patting done? Ok: great. Again = your score-keeping is mostly in your own head. There is no constant chorus of ‘vehement disagreement’ here in any areas – with the possible exception of Sheldon Richman’s dumbass foreign policy articles, and Steve Chapman’s attempts to repair them.

        …”Okay Richman is a Rothbardian loon..”

        See above

        “… but I was a Rothbardian at a younger age so it’s nothing alien to me, plus I just love it when he puts a magnifying glass in between the sun and you war-loving psychos. BURN ANTS BURN!…

        Not sure what your point is; you agree he’s a starry-eyed idealistic loon, yet you enjoy starry-eyed idealism. Great! It doesn’t so much provide a substantive defensive of his crazy-ass claims.

        Anyway, as far as paiting people here with a wide-brush as far as foreign policy goes = it says more about YOU than the remaining audience

        1. Everytime Reason writes about cultural issues, and to a lesser extent foreign policy, most of the commenters are indistinguishable from Rick Santorum.

          Richman’s problem is that he’s an anarchist. My foreign policy views are the fiscally conservative ones. Not wanting my tax money to be spent on killing people who did nothing to me is not an ideal.

          1. Everytime Reason writes about cultural issues, and to a lesser extent foreign policy, most of the commenters are indistinguishable from Rick Santorum to me and other TEAM ORANGE derps.

            I think we may have a sort of Bo-Shriek hybrid here.

            1. ‘Cytotoxic|5.22.14 @ 1:05PM|#

              I think we may have a sort of Bo-Shriek hybrid here”

              You would make an excellent clinical pathologist.

              Like Dustin Hoffman in “outbreak” = …I’ve seen this strain before… OMG, the Retard Virus… Its Mutated…. and its AIRBORNE now!

              1. LOL. Clinical pathologist is something I *could* become with my background.

                That movie sucked. I don’t like Hoffman.

            2. I’m pretty sure it’s Shreeeeeeek.

              Wasn’t he always claiming that he was a Centrist Classical Liberal?

              Quick, ask him about the purity test!

              1. I don’t believe unions or the minimum wage law should exist and I support replacing all income taxes (including the local ones) with the FairTax. I also oppose ObamaCare.

                Does that sound like him or her?

          2. “CentristClassicalLiberal|5.22.14 @ 1:03PM|#

            Everytime(sp) Reason writes about cultural issues, and to a lesser extent foreign policy, most of the commenters are indistinguishable from Rick Santorum.

            This is so obviously and blatantly false/incorrect/counter-factual and the complete antithesis of what actually goes on here that it is beyond ridiculous, and bordering on mentally delusional/slanderous.

            Take the 2 biggest ‘cultural’ policy issues that Reason may write about that might possibly put people here on the ‘side of santorum’ =

            – Gay Marriage and the Drug War.

            On both, even with the *very few* more-SoCon types here, there is almost 100% universal acceptance of the first, and opposition to every manifestation of the second. More than that = STRONG support of gay marriage (where people aren’t otherwise ‘meh’ about the topic), and VEHEMENT opposition to the drug war.

            Only on immigration might you ever find the readers here fighting about the official magazine position – and even then the split is 50/50 between the ‘more open’ policy types versus Border Hawks.

            You’re fucking retarded if you maintain the view you just espoused. Nothing you say about “foreign policy” in context is worth debating if that is your base-level of crazy.

            1. I think there’s more debate about gay marriage than you’re implying, and there’s also abortion, but to imply that most commenters sound like Rick Santorum in those threads is absurd.

            2. Almost every time same-sex marriage is brought up people compare homosexuality to incest and associate anything not heterosexual or gender-conforming with being left-wing (that stuff has nothing to do with politics). Belief in a “homosexual/gender blending agenda” conspiracy theory is also popular. Also, believing that government should be out of marriage is not the same as being pro-same-sex marriage. Homophobic and rational people alike get those two mixed up.

              Drugs overall is an exception, though there are a few who think the creators of Reefer Madness were libertarians who were simply trying to persuade people not to injest a substance less harmful than alcohol, tobacco and most of what’s sold at pharmacies and fast-food restaurants.


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                CentristClassicalLiberal|5.22.14 @ 3:13PM|#

                Almost every time same-sex marriage is brought up people compare homosexuality to incest and associate anything not heterosexual or gender-conforming with being left-wing

                You really are confusing this place with someone/someplace else.

                “incest’= the gay?

                Find one example please. Maybe that will keep you busy for a while.

                1. Find one example please.

                  https://reason.com/24-7/2014/04…..nt_4426853

              2. associate anything not heterosexual or gender-conforming with being left-wing (that stuff has nothing to do with politics)

                Ah, but politics has to do with it. Politics has to do with a lot of things that don’t have (much) to do with it back.

                1. My sexual orientation has nothing to do with politics.

        2. Most of the time if there’s any hate-cheerleading, its over Douchebag Trolls like [Shreek, Tony, Bo, ‘Murkin, Mary] – not writers, their articles, or the mythical aforementioned ‘cosmos’.

          Oh please. Go into any immigration thread and watch the DEY TUK UR JERBS crowd rant about the dreaded cosmotarians.

          1. That would be ‘murican and many suspiciously new commenters, right 🙂

            Shikia Dalmia is really good at lighting the TOOK R JERBS beacon.

            1. No, he rarely shows up to those threads anymore.

              1. The banhammer wear him out?

                We still get a lot of moths, er, new people commenting when the JERBS light goes off.

            2. “Oh please. Go into any immigration thread and watch the DEY TUK UR JERBS crowd rant about the dreaded cosmotarians.

              Swiss Servator, CH yeah!|5.22.14 @ 1:16PM|#

              That would be ‘murican and many suspiciously new commenters, right 🙂

              Good point.

              The immigration threads are almost always rife with a dozen+ of outside commenters who come out of the woodwork to lash out at the Cosmo Anti-Americans who apparently want our country to devolve into a third world hellhole and socialist welfare state.

              Including those people as part of the broader ‘commentariat’ I think is inappropriate and misleading.

              Although I do think there is still a fair difference of opinion here on the ‘borders’ issue (which I distinguish from the broader ‘immigration’ topic)

              Some people here are completely for reform of existing immigration policy, but still want to SCURETEHBORDOR as part of the deal.

              I’m personally completely in favor of the Mexican Reconquista for the record. just because Lonewacko made me that way.

              1. “just because Lonewacko made me that way”

                Did he ask you these few questions, film your answers and put it up on line?!?!?!?!

                1. I remember that refrain. Good times.

          2. Go into any immigration thread and watch the DEY TUK UR JERBS crowd rant about the dreaded cosmotarians

            See my note above about the Immigration Exception.

    2. There is something reminiscent of the Nazis here, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.

      1. I don’t like my tax money being used to kill foreigners who did nothing to me, so yeah I guess that makes me a Nazi.

        There’s a Canadian who frequently posts here who likes the fact that my wallet (as an AMERICAN) is being strained to satisfy his psychotic video game/Hollywood-influenced foreign policy views. Nothing fascistic about him I guess.

        1. I meant the Russians annexing other territories. Not commenting on what we should do, if anything.

          1. Oh really, ProLib? Why pretend? We both know perfectly well what this is about…

            1. You know who else knew perfectly well what things were about?

              1. Maria Von Trapp?

            2. Nazis. Why did it have to be Nazis?

        2. I don’t like posts that make no sense and fight arguments no one is making.

          1. I smell Tupla test-driving a new sock

            1. Not enough snarky and insipid swipes at Tulpa’s Reason bugaboos (food trucks, teh gayz). I think Bo and PB had a baby.

            2. Yeah because Tulpa is a globalist cosmotarian who believes in open borders /sarcasm

              When you have nothing else to say on Reason I guess accusing someone of being someone else is the last resort. I had to actually ask who the fuck “shreek” was because i’ve been called that several times. I figured it was the handle used by Will Wilkinson or Gary Johnson because those are the Reason-affiliated people who I agree with the most. I mean I love Gillespie and Welch but I don’t agree with them as much as the former two.

              1. “When you have nothing else to say on Reason I guess accusing someone of being someone else is the last resort.”

                No =

                Its when you have *the same endlessly retarded things to say*, people suspect you might actually be the same person in different clothes.

                Also – WW has been @ the economist for the last 6 years. If you hadn’t noticed.

              2. Will Wilkinson … who I agree with the most.

                That explains a lot. None of it good, in case you were wondering.

                And as GILMORE stated, Wilkinson has been gone longer than you’ve been around.

                1. I’ve been a reader for years. I am not very social on the internet. In fact here is a link to my first comment here, provoked by a bizarre (because Reason is otherwise extremely consistent) post critical of marijuana that I found extremely offensive because I would have had a stroke without the medicinal use of it.

                  https://reason.com/archives/201…..nt_4237767

                  1. yes, we ARE well known for how anti-marijuana we all are.

                    ….

                    ….

                    about that stroke… partial? aneurism? broken vessels at least? Severe memory loss isn’t surprising… also dementia of all kinds…

                    1. I never said I had a stroke, I said I would have had one.

  2. I think the Euros should be very concerned with this. BTW, who’s ahead in the playoffs?

    1. The Spurs.

    2. Very concerned, but Atletico are favourites and will defeat the fascists.

  3. There is little doubt that the Ukrainian nationalist movement, like any nationalism, has its ugly side?from thuggish soccer fans, implicated in the violence in Odessa, to more sinister groups that flirt with Nazi imagery and speak of “Ukraine for Ukrainians.

    Soccer fans? Fuck me. I mean, say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude. At least it’s an ethos.

    1. Thuggish soccer fans are a product of the ugly side of nationalism?

      Then I guess all of Europe is in 1914 all over again!

      /Hertha BSC fan

      1. World War III starts in Sao Paolo this summer.

        1. I got $20 on the Brazilian cops busting a shiteload of heads!

      2. Thuggish soccer fans are a result of too little actual violence on the field. Football fans get their violence vicariously by watching giant, strong, fast men beat each other senseless.

        1. Then you’ve never been a Raiders, 49ers, or Eagles game.

          It’s pretty much a giant fight where occassionally a football game breaks out.

  4. I don’t think it’s necessary to turn every article about Ukraine–and in this case it’s a good article offering a lot of new information even to the people who have followed the events very closely–into a pissing match between various factions of libertarians (and not-true-libertarians). Seriously, the conflict in Ukraine is not about you. There’s no need to reveal your parochialism every single time.

    1. Agreed and this is a very good article. Kudos to Cathy.

    2. Seriously, the conflict in Ukraine is not about you.

      Obama is moving troops around in Europe and imposing sanctions.

      ummm yeah it is about me.

      1. He’s moving meaningless numbers of troops around and imposing meaningless sanctions. Grizzly’s point still stands.

        1. “He’s moving meaningless numbers of troops around”

          Using meaningless tax dollars?

    3. I’m an American taxpayer. America’s foreign policy strains my wallet through taxation and inflation, so yes it is about me.

  5. Somehow I doubt many Americans need Putin’s BS interpreted.
    I think we know the score.

    As good as he is (at politics and history), he is making many mistakes. Let’s let him drill holes in his own boat and watch it sink.

  6. Isn’t Europe in general fascists?

    *ducks*

    1. Isn’t Europe in general fascists?

      In absolute terms using the historical (not hyperbolic) definition, yeah, pretty much.

    2. NO

  7. The correct words to use in describing what is happening in the Ukraine is RUSSIAN IMPERIALISM. This is hardly new. I’m surprised it took so long after the fall of Soviet Russia (USSR) for this to kick in. After all, the Bolsheviks inherited a unified Russian Empire created by Peter and Catherine the Great, and sustained by the Romanovs until 1917 and the Revolution. That empire was retained by Lenin and Stalin and their successors until 1991 when all those places like the Ukraine took advantage to break away. All that was encouraged by the U.S. of course.

    All Putin is doing is “acting like a Russian (since he can’t be a Communist anymore) and putting an historic empire back together. White Russia will be next. It’s all a bulwark against “The West” where nothing but destruction has come – Napoleon and then the Nazis. If I were a Russian with power I would do the same thing – create an historic and Orthodox Christian Russian Empire, and tell the west and the rest to go stick it. The Ukrainians (great collaborators of the Nazis) should have known this was coming also.

    1. Yes, but what about the RePOOPlicans?

      1. And your point is?

        1. I was just reflecting on the other brilliant contributions you’ve made here over the past year or so

          “On The Road To Mandalay|1.2.14 @ 5:43PM|#

          Looks like you are idea free, you a–hole. Also you must have a reading comprehension problem too, as most dimwits do. Were you not so undereducated, you might have picked up some tongue in cheek sarcasm in my comments.

          In any event you ass chunk, looks like you will have to expand your literary fart rebuttals to include some ideas of your own. MIght keep myself and others from getting bored. Have a great day you f—ing idiot

          Don’t like my comments or sarcasm? Write something you think I might like. Think you are capable of that? Show me what you can do you piece of crap. Otherwise go f— yourself in the butt with a cucumber. Have a great New Year Asshole.

          I don’t know what to say. I guess you will just have to stick your index finger up your Hershey Highway after taking a particularly smelly and messy dump. Then lick it and pretend it is a candy bar. You are too stupid to hurt my feelings, so don’t flatter yourself. Nice posting with you ace

          1. GIMORE,

            I have made a number of comments over the “past year or so.” Every initial comment I made did not usually contain any profanity, or if it did, not towards any person.

            The comments of mine you have so thoughtfully reproduced were all made in response to people who did not like my comments. Instead of disagreeing with me in a civil manner, they always posted some insult against me.

            Therefore the “brilliant contributions” of mine you have posted out of context were what those who attacked and insulted me received in response.

            In addition, most of the nasty comments made in response to my initial comments on an article were usually made by the same people. A poster named Sevo is certainly primary among them.

            For those who don’t like my comments and want a civil discussion, that is what they will get from me. For those who want to insult me, what you have posted above is an example of what they will always get in return.

            I

            1. “For those who don’t like my comments and want a civil discussion, that is what they will get from me.”

              Ask your mommy to be nice to you, not us. Bullshitters get called on bullshit.

              1. Sevo,

                Is that you? Did you just fart? Looking forward to exchanging more insults with you in the future. Have a nice day Anus Lips. Oh, and go fuck yourself too.

          2. GILMORE,

            I trust I made my point. Anyway who does NOT like my posts and wants to engage in a civil discussion, that is what you will get.

            Anyone who wants to exchange insults, that is what you will get. You can count on it.

    2. I think the Russians were and would’ve continued to be fine with nominally independent Ukraine (as well as the other former Soviet satellites), so long as they remained more closely allied with Russia and the rest of the Eastern Bloc. But Ukraine moved further and further towards the West and the Euromaidan movement represented a sort of split with the traditional Russian alliance in favor of full EU integration.

      That was the sort of move that Russia deemed a bridge too far and decided to intervene.

      1. Sudden

        Well said. Am shocked that anyone posting on this site has anything intelligent to say. Most of the comments I read are mostly from a bunch of undereducated functional semi-literates. Thanks for your comment.

        1. On The Road To Mandalay|5.22.14 @ 4:21PM|#
          “Well said. Am shocked that anyone posting on this site has anything intelligent to say.”

          Well, since *you* post here, you manage to drag the IQ level down at least two digits.

          1. You know what to do don’t you penis brain?

          2. Sevo,

            Try this. Purchase a vibrator and then ram it up your asshole so you can stimulate your brain. That is the location of your brain isn’t it? Do that about 20 times a day and you won’t have any time left to post comments to me.

            1. Well, two BIG digits…

              1. Your response (as usual) is about as worthless as a dried up sanitary napkin on a New Mexico side road in high summer.

                1. On The Road To Mandalay|5.22.14 @ 8:08PM|#
                  “Your response (as usual) is about as worthless as a dried up sanitary napkin on a New Mexico side road in high summer.”

                  Aw, I’ll bet mommy told you that was *clever*!

      2. Russia was already thru that once when they Christianized to take advantage of trade with the rest of Europe. I don’t think they want to let the West call that tune again.

    3. More Russian imperialist apologia from you.

      BTW, I wonder if something may have happened in Ukraine in the 1930s that might have made some Ukrainians willing to initially assist the Nazis?

      1. The famine courtesy of Stalin. Does that answer your question?

    4. “The Ukrainians (great collaborators of the Nazis)”

      Cite missing.

      1. Fuck you and your bullshit. I have heard this from you before. That information is readily available for anyone wishing to know about it. The only “cite” you will ever get from my you asshole are instructions on how to ram an acid suppository up your Hershey Highway. Have a nice day Anal Breath.

        1. On The Road To Mandalay|5.22.14 @ 4:25PM|#
          “Fuck you and your bullshit. I have heard this from you before. That information is readily available for anyone wishing to know about it.”

          So you admit you don’t know what you’re posting about? Imagine my surprise!

          1. Sevo

            Have you ever considered suicide? Think about it. Let me know when you plan to do it so I can mark your file DSAF – Did Society A Favor.

            Any further questions just dial 1 800 EAT SHIT and one of my representatives will tell you exactly how to consume your own excrement.

            See you around Asshole. Have a nice day Fuck Face.

            1. My goodness! Did you learn all those new words just in one day?
              Oh, and I see there’s still no cite for your bullshit.

              1. My cite just landed in your rectum. Put your head up your asshole and you will find it. Have a nice evening Anal Breath.

  8. Ok there are fascists but the face of pro-europe Ukraine isn’t…

    But come the fuck on.

    We all know Obama is funneling cash and weapons to the hard core fascists among the pro-europe groups.

    Did we not learn anything from Libya?

    1. We all know Obama is funneling cash and weapons to the hard core fascists among the pro-europe groups.

      CITATION NEEDED

    2. Start cracking a few books before you open your pie hole.

      1. On The Road To Mandalay|5.22.14 @ 4:28PM|#
        “Start cracking a few books before you open your pie hole.”

        Take your own advice, imbecile.

        1. Kiss my ass dick head.

          1. Aw, did mommy bring your cookies yet?

            1. She did, and she told me to shove them up your asshole as soon as possible. They are chocolate chip cookies so they should be real tasty after you stick your finger up your butt and lick it a few times. Mommy sends her regards.

              1. “They are chocolate chip cookies so they should be real tasty after you stick your finger up your butt and lick it a few times.”

                Your fixation on the bowel suggests you should seek some professional help.

    3. It’s just government in action:

      – Third world aid helps tinpot dictators.
      – Supporting syrian/libyan opposition ends up supporting the Al-Quaeda affiliats.

      And so on…

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  10. “Joseph Stalin the only leader to condemn the rise of fascism in 20th-century Europe.”

    Sounds like the American press during and after the Second World War!

  11. I really do wish people would stop refering to fascists as “far right wing extremists”.

    There is nothing far right about fascism. Fascmism has all the same hallmarks and characteristics as the far left communist extremist.

    I challenge anyone to explain the diffence between a fascist regime and a communist regime. Why there is even two seperate terms for the same thing, makes no real sense.

    Fasmism is far left, not far righ.

    1. “I challenge anyone to explain the diffence between a fascist regime and a communist regime.”

      Pipes in “Russia Under the Bolshevik Regime” spends the most part of a chapter on the issue; The difference is the Fascists claimed to be socialists only “national” in scope, while the Bolshies claimed to be the advance guard of “international” socialism.
      Tooze in “The Wages of Destruction” never addresses the question directly, but quotes Hitler’s comments regarding the plan to nationalize manufacturing and trade after the war, which is pretty much the total of the proggies claims of difference.
      I think the real aim is to be able to accept the Bolshie dictators as ‘OK but misguided’ while vilifying Hitler.

      1. I challenge you to explain the difference between the bullshit you post on this site, and the turds in the toilet after you take a dump. Have a good evening and stick it up YOUR Bolshie.

        1. Aw, did someone call you on your bullshit? What a shame!

          1. What a shame that you are an abortion that lived.

    2. There was a war. Quite a big one.

  12. Vladimir Putin as “the only leader to condemn the rise of fascism in 21st-century Europe.”

    The best defense is a good offense.

  13. Americans can rant and rave about the Russian “invasion” of the Ukraine all they want. The truth of the matter is that the U.S. will probably never do anything about this, or anything else that Russia will do in the future to recreate the Russian Empire, or by any other name you want to call it.

    What will probably happen is another “Cold War” between the U.S. and Russia, with each maintaining diplomatic relations while simultaneously insulting each other. The only other alternative the U.S. has is to go to war with Russia, and it seems unlikely that we ever will.

    So again, people can get on this site and vent all they want, but it’s not going to change a damn thing. Putin will do what he wants to recreate The Russian Empire and he will keep giving us the finger.

    1. America has another option, and that is to worry about its own problems.

      1. Well said. I totally agree with your premise.

  14. There is little doubt that the Ukrainian nationalist movement, like any nationalism, has its ugly side?from thuggish soccer fans, implicated in the violence in Odessa, to more sinister groups that flirt with Nazi imagery and speak of “Ukraine for Ukrainians.” But the overwhelming evidence is that these elements are marginal and very far from controlling Ukraine’s agenda.

    Looking back through the lens of Young’s hysterical pants shitting over Trump’s civic nationalism, it is amusing to see her pooh pooh concerns about Ukrainian *ethno* nationalism.

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