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Survey: Millennials Love Big Government?

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Last week Youth Engagement Fund and Project New America released a new survey on millennial ideology. Millennials—roughly defined as those aged 18 to 33—are my people. I tend to stick up for us. I tend to take heart in this generation's support for marriage equality and ending the drug war, among other things…

But holy geez Gen Y, this is a poor showing. On measures from "creating jobs" to "making college affordable" to "protecting the rights of women," millennials overwhelmingly said they favored greater government involvement. And when asked whether they would rather have government "off their backs" or "on their side," 59 percent of millennials voted for friendly paternalism. 

For the survey, Harstad Strategic Research polled more than 2,000 18- to 31-year-olds in March and April 2014. Of course, it should be noted that Youth Engagement Fund, Project New America, and Harstad are all progressive organizations. Maybe there's some subtle linguistic bias driving these results? One can hope. [It should perhaps also be noted that polling was conducted online.] 

Harstad Strategic Research
Harstad Strategic Research
Harstad Strategic Research

Harvard University's Institute of Politics and Pew Research Center have also recently released surveys on Gen Y political attitudes. While some broad similarities can be seen among these, "it is not easy to make direct comparisons across polls (most obviously, because of differently worded questions and other methodological issues)," as John Tierney notes at The Atlantic

All three polls showed more millennials aligned with Democrats than Republicans. But they also showed relatively large subsets of political independents—50 percent in the Pew survey, 38 percent in Harvard's survey, and 19 percent in this latest survey. And while this one undeniably detects a strong big government, progressive streak in young people, Harvard's research may paint a decidedly more libertarian picture. From Casey Given at The Hill

"Regarding fiscal discipline, Harvard's November 2013 survey reported 58 percent support for reducing food stamps to 2008 levels and limiting the program's growth to the rate of inflation. The same survey also showed strong support of reducing military expenditures, with 51 percent approval of decreasing the Navy fleet to 230 ships and 70 percent of lowering the nuclear arsenal to 1,5000 warheads. Regarding social tolerance, Harvard's April survey reports 66 percent support of legalizing marijuana for medical purposes and 61 percent responding that 'a friend's sexual orientation is not important to me.'"

Writing in The Washington Post yesterday, British political scientists Anja Neundorf and Kaat Smets cautioned against reading too much into any of these millennial surveys, noting "the importance of distinguishing between the effects of aging and the effects of belonging to a certain cohort or generation when predicting political attitudes and behaviors over the lifespan." A series of articles in the latest issue of the journal Electoral Studies, co-edited by Neundorf, looks at the impact of aging and generational cohorts on voting behavior.

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  1. If you look at the questions taken as a group, you see that millenials are well meaning but economically illiterate and steeped in PC thinking such that they think things like “women’s rights” exist separate and above “rights” in general.

    This is the product of the prog takeover of the educations system. The question is can reality be a harsh enough mistress for them to unlearn all of this shit.

    1. It will be, but it only when it’s harsh enough to take the rest of us down with it.

    2. The question is can reality be a harsh enough mistress for them to unlearn all of this shit.

      Only if their parents would kick their lazy asses out of the house.

    3. To be a harsh mistress to these young people, reality would have to get into leather bondage gear, wear a studded collar, and wield a rawhide whip.

    4. I think they just haven’t had enough time for the government to fuck them over yet, hopefully they grow out of it. I don’t think this generation realizes (yet) that freedom and government are mutually exclusive.

      When the government starts screwing up the internet in the near future it may wake some of them up… or so I can hope.

    5. As soon as they start paying their own medical bills, they’ll hate Obamacare. Regardless of what they think now. As soon as they have four or five run-ins with the nanny state regarding their own children, they’ll change.

      But, this won’t happen for 15 years.

      I think the debt wall being hit will change them quicker than their own experiences.

  2. I’m going to guess that when you ask most people “should government make college more affordable?”, they automatically answer yes without any thought as to what that entails, what the tradeoffs are, and whether it is even possible. Same for the rest of these.

    1. ^THIS^

    2. That’s often the problem with polls. And the problem with voters in general. They don’t ever think through all of the trade-offs, unforeseen consequences, etc.

    3. Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that shoveling money to colleges in the form of grants, subsidized loans, and below-market interest rates is somehow linked with the vast increase in college tuition overt the last 30 years? Now that’s just crazy talk.

    4. This is precisely why most people are liberals. They ask themselves, “does this sound like a good thing”. If so then YES. They have no ability to think it through. They only know what is “cool” becuase their minds are programmed by the media and they have no critical thinking skills. When proven wrong they only rely on ad-hominem attacks. Liberalism is essentially a religion. It is 100% indefensible with logic, yet people will defend it to the death.

  3. Well, they are going to get what they asked for – good and hard.

    1. Quick fingers, damn you!

    2. Yes, but at least they will be high on legal marijuana when the jackboots land on their necks. So I guess it will all turn out OK.

  4. ENB,

    People in general want the government to “do something.” They say they want the government to back off or to be cut, but if you ask them what to cut, you get “but we need that program.” Your generation is no different.

    1. Well, yeah, I’m mean I”m hoping that a lot of the “results” of this survey are related to the wording of the questions. As Jordan pointed out above, “make college more affordable” is another vague and mushy phrase that tends to elicit a certain response…

      1. You have to be a real contrarian to say “no I don’t want government to make college more affordable”. Even I strictly speaking don’t think that, since in a sense I do want government to “make it more affordable” by no longer subsidizing it.

        1. Yes, for sure. The question as worded tells you less than nothing.

        2. That’s a really good point.

          1. While that’s true, I would bet dollars to donuts that the overwhelming majority of those who responded “yes, I want govt to make college more affordable” did not envision that process as involving less federal subsidy for college.

            1. True, but this is a faction rife with lazy thinking and lazy people. I believe my generation has the usual complement of statists with unusual naivety alongside a small but unusually energetic pro-freedom faction.

        3. Exactly! Stupid gov loans drive up the prices! Why does no one understand this? If it was a smart investment then investors would be competing to loan money to students in droves.

        4. I want the government to make college more affordable by getting out of the student loan industry and repeal laws making it impossible to shed student loan debt during bankruptcy.

      2. As Jordan pointed out above, “make college more affordable” is another vague and mushy phrase that tends to elicit a certain response…

        That is what I am saying. Some people want to cut government. Ask them specifics and they start back-peddling. Basically it comes down to “help me, but cut his stuff.” I am simply saying that your generation is human, they have to same reactions.

        1. I want to start from a blank slate and find out what we actually need it for after a few decades in the wilderness.

          1. I want to start from a blank slate and find out what we actually need it for after a few decades in the wilderness.

            Even if you could get back to a blank slate, it would never last a few decades. I would prefer we stuff the Fedgov back into the limits set by the Constitution. But this won’t happen either.

            1. What negative consequences did we get from the recent government shutdown? What I got from that was a list of the first to go. Instead we got a list of people that, from what I understand, got back pay, a free vacation, and in some cases retro-active raises.

  5. I wonder what percentage of Millenials are gullible enough to believe that the results of an online opinion poll are a reliable indicator of anything.

    1. Wait…

      This was an online poll?

      /facepalm

      1. Ugh, I meant to note that originally and forgot. Just updated with a little note saying that polling was conducted online, thanks.

        1. For the record = I am almost always a teenage girl when I take online polls.

          What? Its not like I dress up or anything.

    2. I wonder what percentage of Millennials, if shown the constitution, would realize that a strong 90% of all the government they want isn’t valid.

      1. None of them care.

        My generation is a self-indulgent generation that preens in its solipsism and narcissism. They couldn’t give a fuck what the wisdom gathered by the past has to offer and wouldn’t critically examine why such contraints were originally placed upon the government. I fucking hate my peers.

        1. Pretty much. A lot of my peers like to talk about a few issues they can all agree on and feel good about, like homophobia being bad. They don’t talk about this because of its importance but because everyone agrees and it makes them feel good. They are not big on self-awareness or critical thinking.

          1. because everyone agrees and it makes them feel good.

            This is probably going to be the summation of American culture from about 1965-onward.

            It’s quite remarkable the lengths that Americans have gone to during that time frame to try and ensure groupthink in the service of a superficial epicureanism.

        2. They couldn’t give a fuck what the wisdom gathered by the past

          That’s the thing though. They (or we I guess, since I suppose I am a Millennial), just choose the wrong wisdom of the past to build upon. It all comes back to the “Right Top. Men.” fallacy.

  6. “Making college affordable” until they get the bill for the student loans which the government says you cannot get rid of even via bankruptcy.

  7. I’ll have to dig it up, but I read an article several months ago about a news story done on high school kids in the D.C. area – the kids of all the government employees. Most of them were very cynical about the ability of government to get anything done and said that once out of high school they were going to focus on using non-profits and private funds to bring about the change they wanted to see.

    It actually made me feel pretty optimistic.

    1. It is easy to idealize something you don’t see in reality. My dad worked in big corporate America and I grew up listening to him tell me how incompetent it was. A kid whose parents work in government grows up listening to their parents tell them how incompetent government is.

      The truth is all big organizations government and private alike are generally impersonal and succeed in spite of themselves. If you want to be happy, find a way to work for yourself or with a small group of people you know and trust. Live in a big organization of any kind, while often very secure, well paid and stable, is generally miserable.

      1. That’s quickly becoming my life story. My dad was an FBI agent and worked 20+ years as a federal prosecutor. Practically everyday growing up he told me “Never work for the government.”

        I’m three years out of undergrad working for a medium sized company. I’m finding there’s a tipping point where a medium sized company gets bloated with middle management and starts turning into a massive bureaucracy. My company’s at that point and I’m trying to make a jump to a smaller one.

        1. I am living your life in reverse. My dad told me “never work for corporate America”. In fairness he did tell me that working for yourself is the key to happiness. I just haven’t figured out how to do that. Maybe some day.

          I just roll my eyes when people tell me the private sector, at least the big companies are different than government. It is exactly the same sort of insanity. It just comes with a big organization.

          1. Not quite the same, the govt doesn’t compete with others (in the traditional sense). If the private bureaucracy is incompetent enough, it will go out of business.

            (I just discounted the bail-outs, but you get the point.)

            1. And, most importantly, we aren’t forced to pay for the corporate idiocy.

          2. People get fired in the private sector.

            1. More people get fired from government than you think and it is harder to fire people from big corporations than is commonly believed.

              Big corporations don’t give their managers carte blanche to just fire people. They have HR departments and policies that look a lot like the government system. Moreover, private sector managers are just as terrified as government managers of being accused of racism or sexism. In any big corporation you will find tons of people skating by or worse because their manager is afraid to do anything for fear of an EEO complaint.

              It is actually pretty easy to fire someone in government. It doesn’t happen very often because managers are lazy and anyone who is a veteran, minority or woman can totally gum up the system by filing an EEO complaint if they think they are about to be fired.

              You always hear that statistic about how one case per year of firing a government employee is upheld by the merit service protection board. What you don’t hear is all of the cases where people are fired and their case never gets to the board. Those cases generally involve white males who don’t have the ability to file an EEO claim and gum up the system.

              1. Could that be a reason why white males are paid more and hired more often?

                1. I firmly believe that EEO and affirmative action subtly discourage the hiring of minorities, because of the costs of letting minority employees go if they are not a good match.
                  Before 1960, AAs and Latinos freely competed away jobs from whites, by accepting lower wages. Most employers would not hire minorities for jobs where employees were seen by the public. But otherwise, minorities worked hard in sweat shops, back rooms, pushing brooms and so on. Now it is illegal to pay minorities less, and the AA unemployment rate has massively escalated. The single greatest weapon has been taken from AAs, the ability to work for less.

      2. This.

        What little faith I had in government was slain really fast by working in government. The main form of humor is self-depricating gallows humor about the sad state of things. No one is happy. One of the most frequent comments I make is “my job is great – If I’m allowed to do it” because of the disconnect between what I’m supposed to be doing and what I end up having to spend my time on due to structural failings in the organization.

        1. IN the legal field at least, so much of it is make work. It is attorneys sticking their noses into areas that are not legal in order to justify their jobs.

          I refuse to do that. I tell my clients the right and left limits of legality and leave it to them to do their jobs. We are not playing the “I am not responsible for this decision because the lawyer told me we had to do it” bullshit.

        2. I knew some people who knew some researchers in Agriculture Canada who were going up the walls because of the restrictions and barriers they had to over come to do any research.

      3. My dad worked in big corporate America and I grew up listening to him tell me how incompetent it was

        Your dad was right.

        1. He was about that and most things really. And yet, he did well but never went too high. The Germans have that term “Zeitgeist” which roughly translated means “spirit of the age”. I really think the “Zeitgeist” of post 1960s America is “the age of the bullshit artist”.

          1. “the age of the bullshit artist”.

            Hmm, then what would we call today? The Age of the Bullshit God?

  8. On measures from “creating jobs” to “making college affordable” to “protecting the rights of women,” millennials overwhelmingly said they favored greater government involvement.

    It’s a fucking cult. Those people would, if asked, happily surrender themselves to a dictatorship.

    1. As long as we get free health care and fast internet, wheee!

  9. If it helps you old farts feel any better, I know of about a dozen other millennials besides myself who have a healthy rebellious streak and can think critically.

    1. Question for the old farts, who raised the millennial generation?

      1. Question – how does one define the “millennial generation”?

        1. Millennials?roughly defined as those aged 18 to 33

          1. I want something less ‘roughly defined’ And what’s the justification for that range being ‘millennial’?

            1. Shorter me – I’m not a goddamn millennial!

            2. The idea is that you “came of age” around the turn of the millennium.

              1. When those who are now 18 were four?

                1. Well even X is what, 60s to 80s? Are you suggesting we insert more generations into the discussion?

                  1. Are you suggesting we insert more generations into the discussion?

                    My three older brothers grew up in the 70s, I grew up in the 80s. I always felt like I was in a completely different generation from them, until recently.

                2. 5 /pedant

                  Around the turn of the millenium, not necessarily on it. I think people just thought it sounded better than the completely unoriginal Gen Y.

                  1. Also, the sheer dearth of men in my generation made the term Generation Y entirely misleading.

                    1. Are you suggesting Generation V would be more accurate?

                3. I’m not saying it makes any sense. It’s retarded demo bullshit.

            3. The whole idea of generations like that is stupid and makes no sense.
              The idea of a cohort is useful, but you can’t really define that discreetly. There’s overlap. I think of my cohort as something like people who were in highschool at the same time as I was.

              Once you are out of your 20s, just think of everyone within 4 or 5 years of your age as the same age as you.

          2. A generation used to be 30-40 years. Now it is apparently 15….it seems to me that if you have the same parents, maybe you should be in the same generation.

            Millineals should be the children of Gen X – logically, each generation should be the children of the last – but the ages don’t line up at all. They throw in a new “generation” every decade and a half. But few kids have 15 year old parents.

      2. “who raised the millennial generation?”

        Some other old farts raised the incompetent millenials. Mine are perfect special snowflakes. /old fart

        1. Mostly Moms, not Dads.

      3. “Certified Public Asskicker|5.20.14 @ 12:26PM|#

        Question for the old farts, who raised the millennial generation?”

        people whose parents DID NOT go to Vietnam.

      4. Themselves, mostly. Their parents were too busy obsessing over their next expensive car or $500,000+ home that they couldn’t afford.

        1. No, children of the 70s and 80s raised themselves. They were latchkey kids. Children of the 90s and 00s have largely been children of helicopter parents or raised by institutions such as daycares and camps and after school card.

          1. My eldest is 38. He was just before helicopter parents. My youngest is 27. He is right in the thick of those who had every second choreographed for them. I think his group is the scary group. I’m not sure they can accomplish anything without being spoon fed. For some reason my Son seems to have avoided this trap. But, a lot of his buddies haven’t.

            1. This seems odd to me. I’m 26, but I was frequently left to my own devices as a child. Maybe it’s a result of growing up in a smallish town in Montana.

    2. I imagine they’ll turn out OK. Every generation ever frets about how hopeless and useless the kids are these days. Yet human civilization has continued to exist.

      1. They said the Baby Boom generation was bad – in many respects (not all) this is true. True in ways that weren’t true for the Greatest Generation.

  10. I’m not sure how this generation is really any different than previous ones in regards to these issues. Every generation you get pretty much the same answers from 18-33 year olds when you ask them about these things.

    The bottom line is -and sorry ENB- but,

    YOU. ARE. NOT. SPECIAL.

  11. I don’t see where those numbers for ‘millenials’ would be much different that the average person-at-large. We’re trained from our earliest days to trust and believe in the righteousness of authority.

    A college student wants big government to magically lower tuition rates. A Baby Boomer wants big government to pull that guy’s pants up. A nationalist wants big government to force all students to pledge allegiance to a flag. On and on and on it goes.
    Is there any real difference?

  12. Women love big government and women/effeminate men are the dominant voice among millennials right now.

    1. To be fair, men love big government too. It’s not like the majority of men are libertarians.

      1. The majority of libertarians are men though.

        (TIWTANFL)

    2. Think how many were raised without a Dad in the house. Gotta have an effect.

  13. But holy geez Gen Y, this is a poor showing. On measures from “creating jobs” to “making college affordable” to “protecting the rights of women,” millennials overwhelmingly said they favored greater government involvement.

    Duh. We’re surprised by this?

  14. who raised the millennial generation?

    “Not I,” said the rat.

  15. There was a revealing discussion over on Slate about this survey, focused on the result that millenials tend to be color blind and thus believe they are not racist. This.Will.Not.Do.

    Their on-staff race pimp put out an article about how being color blind is racist. You see, we should re-position “racism” as “white supremacy” and just ignoring race when dealing with other people actually is MORE racist because it takes the focus away from the need for reparations and affirmative action.

    1. This is the one absolutely positive thing you can say about the millennials; they seem to have almost totally ignored the race baiting of their parents. They really seem not to give a shit about race.

      When the whole thing about the Eagles receiver dropping the N bomb on tape broke, I remember watching Mike Wilbon on ESPN rant and rave about how big of a deal it was. All I could think is “you might think it is a big deal but that is because you are old. No one under 30 gives a shit about that crap anymore”.

      1. I would say that homophobia is my generation’s racism.

      2. To be fair, Wilbon’s whole schtick these days is a sports centered race baiter.

      3. Millenials grew up in a time when the most prominent race-based government policies were designed to favor minorities. The cognitive dissonance between what they saw when they applied to college and what they were taught about the evils of white supremacy may have opened a lot of minds.

        Making it through a generation of color-blind behavior would put an end to claims that today’s racism is needed to balance out the racism of your great-grandfathers (and don’t tell me your five-greats-grandpa died blowing up Pickett’s Charge – if you are white, you are still guilty!). And there are too many people whose livelihoods rely on paying it forward.

        1. (and don’t tell me your five-greats-grandpa died blowing up Pickett’s Charge – if you are white, you are still guilty!).

          According to my family’s geneology research, I had ancestors on both sides there. (Of the war at least, I don’t remember if there was evidence they showed up on the opposite sides of the same battle)

          One thing you are definately right about was what I saw trying to go from a city school to university. There were reams of information on programs that I was ineligable for because I was A: White, B: Male and C: from a family that worked for a living instead of taking welfare. We had no more than our neighbors (less in most cases) but we had an ‘income’ as far as the system was concerned. Ironically, there was also a program I was too smart for. Yes, a State run college program that disqualified me because my grades were too good (not good enough to qualify for merit based scholarships because I was bored at high school and didn’t put in the added effort).

          I got: Loans, lots of loans (and still owe $23,000 on them)

        2. I don’t think my generation is color-blind at all. I think we’re as cognizant of race as any generation has been. And I actually think that’s good. It’s preposterous to think that I can look at a person and not instantly recognize and categorize their race or ethnic composition, or at least have some sense of how it differs from mine. I think the difference is that while most of us note it, we don’t let it guide us.

          Having said that, I think the white privilege meme is really gaining traction in my generation among some.

          1. Yeah, the idea of colorblind is dumb. But I think (and hope) that more and more people don’t give a shit. Either about what race someone is or if some asshole says “nigger”. The hypersensitivity about any perceived racial slur or insult only keeps more vile forms of racism alive.

          2. It’s preposterous to think that I can look at a person and not instantly recognize and categorize their race or ethnic composition

            More and more I find that’s impossible – there is a lot more “mixing” going on than ever.

          3. Asking people not to notice another person’s skin color at all is never going to work, for the same reason you will never convince a millenial male college student not to notice that his lab partner is an attractive female with organs well-suited to breast-feeding his future children. If they can just learn to treat the lab partner and/or the coworker with different skin color with respect (until proven otherwise) and with the same dignity they show to all humans, though, that should be enough.

            I see a lot of people with a vested interest in perpetuating the racial-industrial complex claiming that we cannot dismantle it until we don’t even notice another person’s skin color. A good way of setting an impossible goal so as to justify the perpetuation of the game.

          4. I think the white privilege meme is really gaining traction in my generation among some.

            Thanks to academia, it’s becoming conventional wisdom. When you have an entire culture obsessed with getting a college degree, and the mandarins in those institutions are radically obsessed with the Class/Gender/Ethnicity holy trinity, that ideology is going to become conventional wisdom over time–especially as academia has become little more than an intellectually incestuous feedback loop.

            The marxists had it right–to control the culture, you have to control the schools. Its the domination of left-wing dogma amongst those institutions that shows itself whenever threats to that power base emerge, like vouchers or charter schools.

          5. //It’s preposterous to think that I can look at a person and not instantly recognize and categorize their race or ethnic composition

            codswallop. There are plenty of brownish people who could be some mix or some kind of hispanic. I run into this all the time

            for what it’s worth, if it’s any commentary on my generation, I love lots of ethnic foods a la Andrew Zimmern, and that’s gone hand in hand with knowing geography and culture really well, and can easily tell which kind of Asian an Asian is or what country they’re from if they have an accent or aren’t some vague light brown, and I know the significance of the culture

    2. Their on-staff race pimp put out an article about how being color blind is racist.

      Was that Ta-Nahesi Coates? It’s kind of hard to tell from all the mewling SWPLs wallowing in that culturally marxist trash-heap, but he seems to be the token black guy that white progressives pimp as an intellectual powerhouse to make themselves feel less racist.

  16. And when asked whether they would rather have government “off their backs” or “on their side,” 59 percent of millennials voted for friendly paternalism.

    That’s a weird question. I want government on my side too.

    When I want to speak freely, and someone tries to shut that speech down, I want government to say, “No, let Paul speak, ” and then get out of the way.

    When I want to keep and bear arms, I want the government to nod its head in approval, and get the hell out of the way.

    When I pay my taxes, I want those taxes to go to public infrastructure and projects which benefit all taxpayers, and then get the hell out of the way.

    This is, by my definition, having government ‘on my side’.

    1. The belief that government will ever be “on your side”, in the sense that your parents were, and won’t be on the side of the people who have the most votes and the most money is a disease of sheltered youth, the only cure for which is reality.

    2. That’s the big temptation to join the party system isn’t it? If there’s this big organization with all kinds of power, why wouldn’t you want it fighting for you instead of you having to fight it?

    3. How is that a binary choice anyway? Seems like there could be several other ways the government could relate to you. The foremost in my mind being leaving people the fuck alone.

  17. This is what happens when you send your kid to govt indoctrination centers (“schools”).

    If you have kids and do this, my first thought is that you’re either evil or incredibly stupid. If you do this and don’t support govt interference in your life, then I really can’t explain what the heck is wrong with you.

    1. Both of my parents had to work to support the family, so homeschool was out of the question, and their combined income was too low to afford private schools. In a no-voucher state, what choice was there?

      1. Don’t have kids until you can afford to school them properly?

        1. And failing that, mind your own damn business.

          Public schools can be fine. Just make sure your kid knows what’s going on right from the start. Maybe they’ll even make a difference with some other kids whose parents don’t care.

          1. NAP doesn’t prevent me from observing and making judgments. It prevents me from initiating force against you.

            And in the meantime, they get a really poor education? Why would the kid believe you when the “educators” almost certainly spend more time with the kid than you do? And that the “educators” often specifically tell the kids to ignore their parents?

            Do what you like, but know what you’re doing to the (arguably) most important thing you’ll do in your life.

            1. ace….how about this – have a few kids first and then start talking. You’re talking nonsense, despite ideologically there is some correctness to it. But, life gets in the way of ideology, as it should.

    2. What percentage of libertarians went to public schools? 80 percent? At least? If you can’t train your kids to resist indoctrination and think critically about the ideas they are exposed to, then I really can’t explain what the heck is wrong with you….

  18. Millenials have spent most of their lives in government tutelage systems being taught that public service is good, private enterprise is bad, and that government is benign. What’s more, this environment is almost entirely bereft of the incentives in the real world encouraging people to take responsibility for their choices as regards outcomes. Expecting sanity out of such is something akin to expecting the Politburo to poll well on civil and economic liberties.

    1. This. If I have to hear how great it is that someone works for a non-profit or how real life isn’t fair I may smack someone. I have some cousin by marriage who is going to college to get a degree in Non-profit Management, as if that’s some actual distinct area worthy of an entire curriculum. It’s all so ridiculous.

      1. People before profits!

      2. Step 1: Start a non-profit
        Step 2: ???
        Step 3: Disburse all revenue in the form of wages
        Step 4: NON-PROFIT!!!

        1. I think your missing Step 2 is “Attain tax-exempt status.” Taxes are for those icky, rich KKKoch-porations.

    2. The pro-environmentalist and other PC indoctrination during my elementary and middle school years is in retrospect shockingly aggressive. The more I think about it the angrier and more disturbed I am. Fucking British Colombia.

      1. I remember how my teachers in Ontario was pretty openly in favour of Dalton McGuinty and when they had us do some federalist propaganda in the lead-up to the 1995 Quebec referendum.

      2. My kids went to Bayview elementary on the west side of Vancouver. Their teachers at one point openly said the NDP were the good guys, and the other parties were the bad guys. For you Americans, the NDP are pretty much out and out Marxists. The local riding person in my neighborhood got a motion approved at their annual convention that outlawed private HOME ownership. It was approved!! I said, ‘Dude, you’re running for office in the riding with the highest home prices in Canada, are you serious?’ He was. I said, proclaim it loudly at the all candidates meetings. He did.

  19. If it’s any consolation, I too was a lefty when I was in college. Heck, I was a damn near communist.

    It wasn’t until I had a job and was paying a mortgage – and property taxes – that the needle began to swing to the right.

    1. I was a Marxist. Ignorance (even studied ignorance) can be overcome by knowledge and a willingness to think; hopefully studied ignorance will be unstudied as the years go by, as in my case.

  20. I think this is just more of the tyranny of niceness. People say yes to things that sound nice. Don’t be not nice.

    Especially when the benefits are tangible and visible, and the costs are opaque or abstract.

    You have a heard time convincing people that raising the minimum wage is bad, because of dead weight loss. If they do raise the minimum wage and nobody gets FIRED, then obviously deadweight loss is a total crock. You can’t see the lost growth, the opportunity costs of third parties or the web of effects out from there. But some poor black guy just got paid more, and that is nice.

  21. These numbers are bad…but it’s an online poll. Come on ENB.

    My generation is pretty stupid, but I think there is some evidence that it isn’t quite as bad as it looks or is improving. More millenials voted for Cuccinelli than McCauliffe and many voted for Sarvis. Fewer millenials identify as environmentalist than any other age category-remarkable when you consider that that number will likely decrease with time. It may be that the difference between stated and revealed preference actually works to our favor regarding millenials. They may like to talk the talk but in this economy they want a job and will hopefully shy away from really bad choices.

    1. It may be that the difference between stated and revealed preference actually works to our favor regarding millenials

      This may be the greatest insight on this thread. I’m not sure how other generations regard it, but I think our generation perceives the cultural political correctness that we’ve been incubated in as a sort of push towards crimethink. There may be a lot of people who say one thing for fear of social ostracism or financial loss, but deep inside feel something entirely different.

  22. OT: Just had the best lunch in a long time at this place in Minneapolis:

    Brasserie Zentral

    Pork Cheeks Braised in Maibock Beer — Yummy!

    1. Thanks for the recommendation, I’m visiting my family there over memorial weekend. I might check it out.

      1. It’s on 5th & Marquette in the revamped Soo Line building.

  23. Survey: Younger people are stupid.

  24. Ohh boy. Here we go on the Millennial bashing… there are just a few things id like to point out. A) The recent election in Virginia where the SOCON!!! was the popular candidate among under 30 year olds B) Boomers (who raised my generation) tend to be liberal, and Xers and early millenials who are becoming parents are far more skeptical of government. C) my senior econ teacher let us watch Stossel and was the only non-union teacher, she was awesome. and finally young people are gonna be in a world of shit in a few years when the academia bubble busts (yay!) and the dollar collapses. weave already had six straight fucking years of malaise.

    1. Point is, my generation will lose faith in Government eventually, that the majority over 50 years old is still bitterly clinging to.

    2. finally young people are gonna be in a world of shit in a few years when the academia bubble busts (yay!) and the dollar collapses. weave already had six straight fucking years of malaise.

      What’s to prevent the rise of a Strong Man Who Will Get Things Done?

    3. “‘ A) The recent election in Virginia where the SOCON!!! was the popular candidate among under 30 year olds “”

      You mean the one where Terry McAuliffe won?

  25. “Millennials…are my people. I tend to stick up for us. I.. take heart in this generation’s support for marriage equality and ending the drug war, among other things…”

    Well, I’d love to hear about those “other things” liz, because the first 2 you listed are both things that ‘happened’ while your generation was more or less *in high school*, and required absolutely zero of your own generations political support/advocacy to actually achieve any progress.

    The legalization of gay marriage, as well as gradual reduction in restrictions on marijuana, was fought on a state by state by basis mostly by smaller legacy groups that had been extant since the 1990s. I’d argue the reason these issues finally ‘cracked’ in the last decade was far more the consequence of the *actual power-holders in America* – the baby boomers – finally culturally coming to accept that these things were inevitable and dropping their previous opposition. The ongoing fight over ‘defanging’ the Drug War remains something that people in their 20s and 30s do absolutely nothing substantive about. I don’t see any particular vehement advocacy coming from anywhere on the intertubes…compared to say, ‘raising the minimum wage’.

    There was no grassroots groundswell for doodly-squat among the Generation Y on either of these issues.

    Now, “Occupy Wall Street”, on the other hand….? Congratulations! You have *something*

  26. I think there’s an interesting division among millenials. One group seems to at least lean libertarian. They distrust government, learn free market economics, and a lot of them supported Ron Paul. OTOH, there is a group of mindless statists, possibly worse than the current ones in power. At least Marxists and keynesians had a theory to work from, these dumb asses have nothing but childish emotion.

  27. I think if there is any distinguishing difference between Millenials and previous generations it is that they are far more comfortable in ‘shallow water’.

    I consider this the consequence of Wikipedia and text/twitter conversation.

    “The answers to anything are easy to find, and simply stated; not only can they judge a book by its cover = the book IS its cover”

    They don’t really seem to do ‘layered and complex’.

    I recall the girl from UCSB who was trying to defend their ‘trigger warnings’ policy.

    beyond referring people to the policy document, she seemed exasperated that anyone would question the value of the thing beyond its mere ‘good intentions’. When serious questions were posed, she’d go, “that’s not what we meant” or deflect the subject.

    She was unable to actually reflect upon the obvious secondary effects of the policy and seemed unable to even grasp what the notion of ‘prior restraint’ even was.

    This is what I think makes Generation Y different.

  28. Winston Churchill famously said “He who is not a Liberal at 20 has no heart. He who is not a Conservative at 40 has no brain.” Ergo, the millenials will change their tune as they age.

    Much of what the pollsters found was a mix of predictable youthful idealism (by people who don’t know the cost, and who don’t know what rent seeking is), and a desire to feather one’s nest (cheaper higher ed, more and better jobs). Millenials want more Social Security for their parents, but do not seem to appreciate that that requires that millenials pay more payroll taxes.

    1. “concerned cynic|5.20.14 @ 5:32PM|#

      Winston Churchill famously said “He who is not a Liberal at 20 has no heart. He who is not a Conservative at 40 has no brain.” Ergo…”

      Ergo?

  29. Seeing how there have been recent polls that were much more scientifically rigorous and they obtained polar opposite results, I’m going to go with “this poll is a load of shit”. Yes, there is a greedy portion of millennials that thinks that everything should be provided to them at the cost of some “evil” person who makes more than they do, but that’s not what other polls show to be the opinion of the majority.

  30. So just because they like teh gais and are cool with marijuana doesn’t necessarily make young people rabid laissez faire libertarian fundamentalists? Well I’ll be goddamned. There’s people who have written books based on that premise that may be shocked – SHOCKED – to hear it.

  31. A couple take-aways from this: So 41% of millenials who visit progressive sites/polls favor less government. That’s not bad, overall.

    And yeah, since these are Progressive sites, can you imagine the false choices they probably posed for the questions? “Do you believe the government should protect women’s rights, or go back to the Stone Age?”

    “Do you support Obama, or do you believe in slavery?”

    Another: As John said first and above, a lot of these kids are probably lacking in non-bubble experience – that is, they’ve always been part of institutions like public schools, universities, and government work projects. It would have been handy to know age and occupation for those polled to get a clearer picture of their possible bias.

    Idea: maybe most of them are 19 year old college kids who know everything who were prompted by some PC-thumping activist Political “Science” professor to do these. We’ve all read or seen stories of soapbox instructors forcing their students to do this. I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case.

    Anecdote to the above: I remember a geography professor of mine back in 2005 devoted half of a lecture to why BUUSH were EVUHL for not signing the Kyoto Protocols and how global warming was going to kill us all. He encouraged people to file petitions and start student groups. It helped cement my libertarianism – I read the Kyoto accords and thought, “this is stupid, and this professor is stupid too.”

  32. Most young people (and some older people) wouldn’t have the first clue about politics nor how the government nor the economy works.

    People who grow up and become resonably intelligent, become rightwing fiscally conservative, socially liberal, libertarians. (One would hope)

    While the rest of the rabble who either remain clueless or unintelligent (same thing really), remain on the left.

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