When I reviewed Fred Turner's The Democratic Surround yesterday, I had to leave out a lot of interesting topics covered in the book. One was a psychological experiment carried out by the psychologist Kurt Lewin and two colleagues at the State University of Iowa in 1938. Here's how Turner describes it:
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They began by asking how phenomena such as scapegoating, submission to authoritarian leaders, and even rebellion against authority might be linked. To answer those questions, they staged an experiment designed to compare the social-psychological dynamics of three kinds of society: authoritarian, democratic, and anarchic. They gathered groups of ten-year-old boys into five-member after-school clubs where they would make masks and play games. They gave each group an adult leader who was instructed to take charge in an authoritarian, democratic, or laissez-faire manner. In the first mode, the leader made all decisions and demanded that the boys simply follow them. In the second, the leader engaged the boys in collaborative discussion to choose their activities. And in the third variation, the leader simply let the boys do whatever they liked with no interference. The results were tellingly consistent with liberal American views of contemporary geopolitics: under the authoritarian condition, the boys either became passive and obedient, or imitated their leader and became aggressively domineering toward each other. They also chose scapegoats and turned on them in unison—not unlike Germans under Nazi rule. Democratic leaders, by contrast, engendered affection and a moderate level of aggression in the boys—something closer to the energetic civic participation expected of Americans than to the dominance/submission dynamics seen in dictatorships. Under laissez-faire conditions, the boys were similarly active and described themselves as quite happy—a finding that Lewin and his colleagues acknowledged but did not dwell on.
As it happens, a couple of months ago I came across Experimental Studies in Social Climates of Groups, a film that Lewin and company made to present their conclusions. It's a dry but fascinating little document, notable not just for its findings but for its unexamined assumptions. It also includes some unintentionally hilarious charts, with what are presented as numerically precise measurements of "aggressiveness and egocentric behavior," "friendliness and we-feeling," and so on. For my favorite, skip to 12:10, where you'll find an attempt to map the levels of hostility against different scapegoats.
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Also, we studied Lewin a bit in...I think it was Social Psych. Although I mostly hate this shit, one thing I always admire is their clever ways of trying to test their hypotheses. Really quite creative in many cases.
The original test featured four different forms of government, but the five boys who were assigned to the Wartycratic system of government were never heard from again.
Under laissez-faire conditions, the boys were similarly active and described themselves as quite happy
You mean being able to do what you want without having force used against you as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else makes people happy? C'est incroyable!
"Then we introduced Skinner boxes and Harlow wire mothers and eventually cocaine into the mix, and that's when we found fascinating results in our experimentation..."
Which group produced the greatest quantity of masks? Which group had the highest quality masks? Which group showed the most innovative mask creation processes/outcomes?
"Jeepers, we run an enner...anar...inarkist syndishlous commune, with a majority vote needed for purely internal matters and a two-thirds vote for other matters..."
There seems to be no accounting for personality types. Had they put 5 intelligent, curious, free thinking individuals into the authoritarian group they might have had a hanging. Now that would be an interesting bit of data.
Had this test been conducted properly, all groups of 10-yr old boys would ultimately devolved into exactly the same situation - which is = SET SOMETHING ON FIRE.
It's interesting to see these films presented without emotional saturation. Had this been produced these days, there would have been a string arrangement backing the commentary filled with dramatic pauses and vocal inflexions. Science was treated as something to be understood, not felt.
Not that I'd want to purge all emotion - the thought of those alley children sawing away to create masks for my Koch-funded ballroom party made me smile a mouth of gold teeth. *ascot ripples*
"What are you guys playng?"
"Harry Potter!"
"FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGS!"
Also, we studied Lewin a bit in...I think it was Social Psych. Although I mostly hate this shit, one thing I always admire is their clever ways of trying to test their hypotheses. Really quite creative in many cases.
Now, back to "othering" people I hate...
The original test featured four different forms of government, but the five boys who were assigned to the Wartycratic system of government were never heard from again.
Under laissez-faire conditions, the boys were similarly active and described themselves as quite happy
You mean being able to do what you want without having force used against you as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else makes people happy? C'est incroyable!
But without government, who will prop up the little boys' lemonade stand cartel?
WARLORDZ!!!
Warlords of the Flies?
(pushes boulder on UnCivil)
The science is settled!
"Then we introduced Skinner boxes and Harlow wire mothers and eventually cocaine into the mix, and that's when we found fascinating results in our experimentation..."
KINDERGARTEN COCAINE FIENDS ARE NEW PLAYGROUND MENACE
I keep reading that as "Kindergarten Cocaine Fields".
I find your ideas....disturbing, yet....fascinating, and am interested in subscribing to any newsletters you publish.
Which group produced the greatest quantity of masks? Which group had the highest quality masks? Which group showed the most innovative mask creation processes/outcomes?
Due to the lack of an export motive, they all reached market saturation too quickly for statistically measurable differences to emerge.
I'm guessing the authoritarian group had the best masks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....Parade.jpg
Um isn't signing up for this experiment and talking about its results submitting to authority?
Also when will these scientists start advocating that kids drop out, move out and get jobs?
That is similar to my reaction. Were the boys in the "laissez-faire" group allowed to do some other activity than make masks?
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Oh, don't tempt me!
Hey who's that at my door?
I'm only going to watch that movie if it has a Rifftrax commentary.
"Jeepers, we run an enner...anar...inarkist syndishlous commune, with a majority vote needed for purely internal matters and a two-thirds vote for other matters..."
There seems to be no accounting for personality types. Had they put 5 intelligent, curious, free thinking individuals into the authoritarian group they might have had a hanging. Now that would be an interesting bit of data.
My reaction was "Sample too small" They needed more groups of each type before there can be any relevent data.
Sucks to your ass-mar
Had this test been conducted properly, all groups of 10-yr old boys would ultimately devolved into exactly the same situation - which is = SET SOMETHING ON FIRE.
The difference in what they lit would be interesting to note, however.
Hey?! Sometime it would have to be shot with a pellet gun first, or have firecrackers taped to it set off!
*science*
Not science - SSSCIENCE!
It's interesting to see these films presented without emotional saturation. Had this been produced these days, there would have been a string arrangement backing the commentary filled with dramatic pauses and vocal inflexions. Science was treated as something to be understood, not felt.
Not that I'd want to purge all emotion - the thought of those alley children sawing away to create masks for my Koch-funded ballroom party made me smile a mouth of gold teeth. *ascot ripples*