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Politics

"God is the Third Rail of Rock Music" - Billy Corgan

Nick Gillespie | 9.9.2013 11:31 AM

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As a longtime believer that Christian rock is neither, I was interested in this snippet of an interview with Smashing Pumpkins and Zwan frontman Billy Corgan. I saw it on Matt Lewis' Twitter feed (subscribe here) and Daily Caller blog.

Corgan notes that the Romantic notion of the suffering artist - a staple of rock and roll, which may well be where 19th-century aesthetic imperatives have gone to die - is only worth a couple of albums' worth of music.

He also talks about how "God is the third rail of rock music" and that that's a shame, given how many people believe in god.

He also advises Christian bands to "make better music" if they want to succeed and notes that U2, which soft-pedals its religious bona fides these days, created the template for much of contemporary Christian rock. That's true, though all pop music fans always do well to remember Bob Dylan's absolutely awesome, fire-and-brimstone-huffing masterpiece, Slow Train Coming (1979), which among other things, asked "so-called friends…to imagine  the darkness that will fall from on high/when they will beg God to kill them and they won't be able to die."

Anyhoo, Corgan is an interesting character and it's worth listening to his thoughts on rock/pop.

For those interested in the often-tormented relationship between rock music and Christian theology, make a point to read Peter Bagge's great 2002 cartoon essay on the matter.

And if you're in DC on Friday, September 13, come to Reason's HQ to have lunch with Bagge.

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  1. rts   12 years ago

    You're not making Christianity any better, you're just making rock and roll worse.

    1. Raven Nation   12 years ago

      Damn, beat me to it.

      1. robc   12 years ago

        me too.

    2. John   12 years ago

      That just means the people who are doing it are no talent hacks. It doesn't mean a better musician couldn't do it better.

      1. robc   12 years ago

        King's X, for example.

        Although they always tried to avoid the christian rock label, even though their music was carried by christian bookstores until the lead singer came out.

        1. robc   12 years ago

          squirrels ate this post. Now its here. But they now have eaten the post whining because they ate this post.

          1. robc   12 years ago

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig7Qltghkdg

        2. crashland   12 years ago

          Wow, I've been listening to King's X since Out of the Silent Planet and I didn't even know that Doug came out 15 years ago. Their music is great and they put on some rocking shows. I've seen them live 5 or 6 times in various bars as rock should be experienced.

          People making good music about whatever inspires them is great. People making a product to hit a particular market which is what most "Christian" rock music strikes me as being is fine, but it isn't art.

          You don't have to be a cannibalistic satanist to make great metal, sure it helps, but it certainly isn't required.

          1. robc   12 years ago

            Ive seen them live once.

            Tried a second time but show got cancelled.

            1. JD the elder   12 years ago

              I've seen them about three, four times. One funny incident: when they were singing "Goldilox" one time, Doug sang the line "...I'm not looking for a one night stand," then grinned and nodded and silently mouthed "YES I AM".

          2. Almanian!   12 years ago

            Me, too. No idea - I just like they're smokin' guitars and the singer's great voice.

            X-ian....TOO BAD I CAN'T LISTEN TO THEM ANY MOAR....

            /derp

            1. Almanian!   12 years ago

              Really? "they're" guitars = "their" guitars.

              Stupid brain

            2. robc   12 years ago

              X-ian....TOO BAD I CAN'T LISTEN TO THEM ANY MOAR....

              I know you are kidding and all, but when you have album titles like "Out of the Silent Planet" and "Faith Hope Love", you arent being too subtle.

              Not to mention the lyrics to King.

              1. Almanian!   12 years ago

                I don't pay much attention to lyrics - I think the lonly ones I know the lyrics to are "Lost in Germany" and "Over My Head" (which kicks the most ass of all their songs)

                "She was singin', singin'....
                Just like yesterday."

                [MASSIVE POWER CHORD]

          3. robc   12 years ago

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rMTr7IYZ6M

            Just saw this bouncing around youtube. "A Box" was already one of my favorites, but this version is amazing.

          4. PM   12 years ago

            People making a product to hit a particular market which is what most "Christian" rock music strikes me as being is fine, but it isn't art.

            This. Same thing happens with ideology-driven art of any kind. You can't make a good song/painting/movie/anything when you start from the agenda and then try to bang it into the art.

        3. JeremyR   12 years ago

          I saw them open for AC/DC, which is kind of hilarious, a Christian band opening for a group that has an inflatable Satan.

          But the fascinating thing is somehow they managed to be louder than AC/DC

      2. Reformed Republican   12 years ago

        David Eugene Edwards, of 16 Horsepower and Wovenhand, is Christian rock done right.

        1. Warty   12 years ago

          Oh yeah, I forgot about 16 Horsepower. I loved them when I was listening to them 10 years ago.

        2. B.P.   12 years ago

          Many thumbs up. I'll see him at Denver Riotfest in 2 weeks.

  2. Hugh Akston   12 years ago

    They say you can rap about anything except for Jesus
    That means guns, sex, lies, video tapes
    But if I talk about God my record won't get played Huh?

  3. Jaybirdmojo   12 years ago

    He's no Michael W. Smith.

  4. John   12 years ago

    As a long believer that Nick doesn't understand art, this post doesn't surprise me. Religion, be it Christian Muslim or whatever, is probably the oldest and most fertile subject of great art. There is nothing special about rock and roll or popular music that would prevent it from being used to produce religious art. Soul music is nothing but secularized black gospel. We don't produce good "Christian Rock" because as a society, we don't produce good religious art period and haven't for about 50 years or more now. If a talented enough artist decides to do so, we could again.

    Coregan is probably onto something. The well of using Rock as a way to shock people and be vulgar is pretty much tapped out. There is nothing shocking that can be done in rock and roll that hasn't already been done. And every time someone tries to be shocking, the art just gets a little bit worse. Marlyn Manson was a lot worse than his artistic godfather Alice Cooper and so forth. Given that, there probably is some decent art to be made going the other way. If for no other reason that it would be so refreshing and different from what is being done. It is about due for the pendulum to swing back. So, it wouldn't shock me at all if someone were able to make some good religious based music and sell some records doing it.

    1. SIV   12 years ago

      So, it wouldn't shock me at all if someone were able to make some good religious based music and sell some records doing it.

      Like Elvis did.

      1. John   12 years ago

        Or U2 did. Or Aretha Franklin did. The world is ripe for something different. The idiotic idea that came out of the 1960s that art has to be dangerous to be good and worse still is good merely by being dangerous or offensive has to die.

      2. Spiny Norman   12 years ago

        Or Clapton channeling Robert Johnson.

    2. Warty   12 years ago

      You don't fool me. You own at least one Stryper record, don't you? Don't lie.

      1. John   12 years ago

        You got me Warty.

        1. Warty   12 years ago

          Now I have that fucking song in my head. Curses! Hoist by my own petard!

    3. Episiarch   12 years ago

      Here you go, John.

      1. John   12 years ago

        That is probably my favorite South Part episode ever. And the best part was that Cartman was right. If you are just a hack musician trying to make a living by any means you can, go into Christian rock. It is about the easiest buck there is to be made.

      2. DesigNate   12 years ago

        "Sent down from heaven. The power and the glorah!"

        One of my all time favorite episodes.

        1. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

          " I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus!

          I wanna feel his salvation all over my face!"

          1. playa manhattan   12 years ago

            Dammit!

          2. Irish   12 years ago

            Whenever I see Jesus up on that cross, I can't help but think that he looks kind of hot.

            1. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

              "you're once...twice...three times my Savior."

          3. DesigNate   12 years ago

            Makes me laugh every fucking time, even if I just read the line.

        2. playa manhattan   12 years ago

          "I want to get down on my knees and please Jesus"

    4. Metazoan   12 years ago

      I agree with this, in general. I don't think genres need to be attached to specific ideas, and a talented artist could certainly produce works that explore ideas not traditionally engaged by that genre.

      I say this as an agnostic who enjoys some religious art for its own sake, apart from any religious meaning.

      1. John   12 years ago

        Great art is great art. You don't have to be a Greek Pagan to appreciate the Acropolis or a Muslim to appreciate something like Grenada or the 1001 Arabian Nights.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder   12 years ago

          You don't have to be a Greek Pagan to appreciate the Acropolis

          I find it helps tremendously.

        2. BakedPenguin   12 years ago

          Nearly all of Bach's work was reverential. But he also did secular works as well, including this edgy piece about a drug addict.

          1. John   12 years ago

            Anyone who doesn't think religious music can be brilliant hasn't listened to The Sixteen. Listen to the Salve Regina or a Mass in Four Voices sometime.

        3. Metazoan   12 years ago

          I totally agree. Even such overtly religious things as readings (chants? not sure what to call them) from the Qur'an can be quite beautiful, despite my lack of belief in any of it.

    5. Raven Nation   12 years ago

      "we don't produce good religious art period and haven't for about 50 years or more now."

      The theme of Franky Schaeffer's "Addicted to Mediocrity."

      Having said that, I'd still say that some of Larry Norman's stuff was every bit as edgy as non-Christian music (regardless of what you think of Norman himself).

      1. crashland   12 years ago

        Norman was a flawed man but a great song writer. It's a shame that he's gone.

        I wonder if he was thinking of WARTY when he wrote:

        Sipping whiskey from a paper cup,
        You drown your sorrows till you can't get up,
        Take a look at what you've done to yourself,
        Why don't you put the bottle back on she shelf,
        Yellow fingers from your cigarettes,
        Your hands are shaking while your body sweats,
        Why don't you look into Jesus, He's got the answer.
        Gonorrhea on Valentines Day,
        And you're still looking for the perfect lay,
        You think rock and roll will set you free,
        You'll be deaf before your thirty three,
        Shooting junk till your half insane,
        Broken needle in your purple vein,

        Why don't you look into Jesus, he's got the answer.

        1. Raven Nation   12 years ago

          Yeah. And some of his "protest" stuff was every bit as acidic as the secular music. "Six O'Clock New" and "The Great American Novel," for example:

          "Well my phone is tapped and my lips are chapped from whispering through the fence,
          You know every move I make, or is that just coincidence?
          Well you try to make my way of life a little less like jail,
          If I promise to make tapes and slides and send them through the mail."

          I saw him in concert a couple of times and it was always a great night.

          1. crashland   12 years ago

            Both of those songs are awesome, and given our rapidly expanding surveillance state, the "Great American Novel" is still relevant even after about 40 years. I saw him twice, way back when Carter was sitting in the oval office in his stupid sweater and a couple of years before he died.

    6. Paul.   12 years ago

      I agree with pretty much everything you say.

      I'm glad you mentioned Marilyn Manson. He arrived on the scene just a hair late to be the shocker that he so wanted to be.

      You don't get one of the finest Onion articles of all time written about you if you're that shocking.

      http://www.theonion.com/articl.....-shoc,459/

      1. Paul.   12 years ago

        I agree with pretty much everything you say.

        With one caveat, the 70s had some pretty good Jesus-based mainstream rock.

        1. John   12 years ago

          Norman Greenbaum man!!!

          And we have hit rock bottom with people trying to be shocking. The reason why people were so offended by Miley Cyrus is not because it was new or shocking. It is because she is a horrible artist. When you put the vulgar part with some decent art, the vulgarity is fun. When it is paired with such a no talent hack, the vulgarity really grates.

          As bad as Madonna was, Cyrus manages to have even less talent.

          1. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

            "Spirit in the Sky" was in 1969.

            1. John   12 years ago

              Close enough.

            2. Almanian!   12 years ago

              Jesus is just alright with me.

              Jesus is just alright - oh yeah.

          2. Raven Nation   12 years ago

            "I'm supposed to be shocked and I'm supposed to be scandalized. Honey, I'm none of those. I and most of America are now officially bored. We are bored with people like you incessantly feeling the need to shock us squares."

            Dennis Miller on Miley Cyrus

        2. Rasilio   12 years ago

          "With one caveat, the 70s had some pretty good Jesus-based mainstream rock."

          As did the 90's

    7. KPres   12 years ago

      """As a long believer that Nick doesn't understand art, this post doesn't surprise me. Religion, be it Christian Muslim or whatever, is probably the oldest and most fertile subject of great art."""

      Yeah, but "religion" ain't what it used to be. Philosophical systems based on 2000 year old metaphysics fail modern artistic sensibilities, for obvious reasons. The language is outdated, as are the imagery, the ritual, etc. It's been outdated for hundreds of years, but science has pushed the envelope more recently. The problem is most religious people don't understand their own religion, and haven't for a long time (if ever), so they get stuck on metaphors developed for different people in a different time, breaking those metaphors' credibility. Or they mistake peripheral or contextual elements for the fundamental, because they don't understand the fundamental themselves. Declarations against homosexuality may have made sense to iron age nomads for whom population was critical (or maybe it didn't make sense, it doesn't matter), but they have no place in a modern world. All of religion like that, it has to be understood in it's context, like everything. But nobody even tries to understand it or cares about the context, so what's the point? They think religion is intelligent design. Whatever. Either you get it or don't, and most people don't.

      1. KPres   12 years ago

        As far as artistic value, art can't move you if you don't buy in, and only the most credulous can buy into what passes as religion these days. So it's boring and empty.

        That being said, there's a lot of religiousness in art. It just has nothing to do with the institutions or ideological structures most people associate with the word religion.

        1. John   12 years ago

          As far as artistic value, art can't move you if you don't buy in

          So something like Rapheal or pretty much all of Baroque doesn't move any one these days? Are you fucking kidding me?

          Rethink that and try again. That art moves people like modern art doesn't. That is why it is still popular and known and appreciated by billions of people and nearly all of modern art is relegated to realm of irrelevant hipster snobbery.

          1. KPres   12 years ago

            I think the fact that you have to appeal to timeless works of art strengthens my point, rather than refutes it. Also, I didn't think we were discussing the relevant merit of modern art vs classic, I thought we were discussing why modern art is so hollow. That's what I was trying to get at, at least.

            1. John   12 years ago

              But if people couldn't get the aesthetics of ancient religions, it wouldn't still be popular. It still resonates.

          2. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

            He very clearly said "these days", John. Learn to read please.

      2. John   12 years ago

        Philosophical systems based on 2000 year old metaphysics fail modern artistic sensibilities, for obvious reasons.

        Yeah, that is why no one likes Michelangelo's Piata or Sistein Chappel anymore or listens to Bach. No one gets Christian art anymore or Jewish art for that matter. They just line up outside museums for hours and put seeing this or that piece of art on their bucket list out of some weird sense of duty or something.

        Just because they no longer make great art, doesn't mean the great art that is there doesn't appeal to them. If anything, great religious art is more widely popular today than when it was made in many ways.

        1. Almanian!   12 years ago

          Sistein Chappel

          "The Jewish Dave Chappelle!"

          You're thinking of the Sistine Chapel, John 🙂

          1. John   12 years ago

            I know. I confuse that with the comedy show all of the time.

            Your being a pedantic prick Almanian!. 😉

  5. SIV   12 years ago

    Jesus has no place in the Devil's music.

    Well, maybe here

    and and here

    1. John   12 years ago

      Rock and Roll is popular music like any other popular music. It can be done well about any subject or at any age. The idea that it is somehow restricted to being youthful and subversive to be any good is just bunk.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        The idea that it is somehow restricted to being youthful and subversive to be any good is just bunk.

        I don't know who is arguing that other than your straw man. All I know is that I don't listen to music so I can be preached at. If I want that I'll call my mom.

        1. John   12 years ago

          That is not a strawman. That is exactly what Nick argues in the article he links about Christian Rock being neither rather than just being bad music.

          And of course you don't want to be preached at. No one does. That is why good art doesn't do that. That is what makes it art. It is clever. Bad art is just preaching.

          1. Scruffy Nerfherder   12 years ago

            And of course you don't want to be preached at. No one does. That is why good art doesn't do that. That is what makes it art. It is clever. Bad art is just preaching.

            tell that to all the worshipers of Shepard Fairey.

            1. John   12 years ago

              Bad art can have fans too.

            2. Irish   12 years ago

              tell that to all the worshipers of Shepard Fairey.

              The best selling painter of all time is Thomas Kinkade. BEHOLD HIS MASTERPIECE!

              Being terrible is not necessarily a barrier to success.

              1. John   12 years ago

                Kinkade's success is the reflection of the total failure of the contemporary art world. Kinkade sells because he is the only artist who respects his audience and tries to give them something they can understand and immediately relate to. Sure it is pretty lousy. But you can at least make sense of it and it appeals to some kind of aesthetic sensibility.

                The rest of modern art does none of that. It is all about telling the audience to take their aesthetic sensibilities and go fuck themselves. Only the cool can appreciate this.

                1. Brett L   12 years ago

                  . Sure it is pretty lousy.

                  Not lousy. Just derivative. There's not an original stroke on the canvas. But well executed, nonetheless.

            3. Brett L   12 years ago

              Mashing up Andre the Giant and They Live was neat and interesting. Living off that for 20 years was not.

              1. Irish   12 years ago

                He has one move: Make art that looks like old time Soviet propaganda.

                Since a lot of Fairey's work essentially is old time Soviet propaganda, this isn't as ironic as Shepard Fairey thinks it is.

                1. Warty   12 years ago

                  That appears to be an AK with an AR front sight and handguard, with a Krinkov muzzle brake. What the fuck? I'm more taken aback by his laziness than his shitty opinion.

          2. sarcasmic   12 years ago

            You get really weird when it comes to Nick's articles. I think you've got a man-crush on him. Seriously.

            1. Almanian!   12 years ago

              And The Jacket claims another broken heart...

  6. DesigNate   12 years ago

    One word and I bet it could send Epi into a psychotic rage:

    CREED

    1. SweatingGin   12 years ago

      Damnit, I had actually managed to forget them. Seriously forgot them for at least 5 years, maybe more.

    2. KPres   12 years ago

      I used to work with this redneck who, whenever that song would come on the radio would sing along in his best Creed voice, only he changed the lyrics to say "with leeeeegs wide open...". And he'd slap you on the chest before he said it so to make sure you heard how funny he was.

  7. sarcasmic   12 years ago

    Your god is dead and no one cares
    If there is a hell I'll see you there

    1. Paul.   12 years ago

      Jesus is just alright with me!
      Jesus is just alright, oh yeah!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWWDdbRb-Po

  8. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

    That's true, though all pop music fans always do well to remember Bob Dylan's absolutely awesome, fire-and-brimstone-huffing masterpiece, Slow Train Coming (1979)

    Will someone please wake me when the Boomer/Hipsters stop worshiping at the altar of this wildly overrated Idol?

    1. Paul.   12 years ago

      Let's have a discussion about Dylan going electric!

      1. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

        Only if it involves Dylan, his fans, a giant bathtub and a big-ass toaster.

        1. John   12 years ago

          I say this as a Dylan fan, a whole lot of Dylan's career has been him trolling his dimwitted boomer fans. He writes stream of consciousness lyrics that are not meant to mean really much of anything. But he does so knowing his boomer fans are going to project all of their hopes and dreams onto them.

          1. Paul.   12 years ago

            The Beatles did a similar thing. Also, people forget (or chose not to pay attention) but George Harrison spent a large part of his career exploring God.

            1. John   12 years ago

              I saw interview one time with Harrison where he said one of the things that he liked most about the Beatles and frustrated him about their fans was how funny they were and how the fans consistently never got the jokes.

              1. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

                Related sidenote: that "My Sweet Lord" lawsuit was such bullshit.

            2. Brett L   12 years ago

              Ripping off Motown songs counts as "exploring God"?

              1. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

                Wow, talk about your serendipitous posting.

                Brett, are you serious right now? Why would George Harrison need to rip off Motown?

                1. Brett L   12 years ago

                  Because he was a talented, but not super-creative guitarist.

                  1. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

                    Pfft. He wrote or co-wrote some of the greatest Beatles songs there are. The lawsuit was specious at best. "My Sweet Lord" doesn't even sound remotely close to "He's So Fine".

                    1. Brett L   12 years ago

                      What are you talking about? They line up measure for measure.

                    2. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

                      What are you talking about? They line up measure for measure.

                      You need to read up on this. That isn't true:

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....ement_suit

                      both of the songs have a three-syllable title refrain ("My sweet Lord", "He's so fine") followed by a 5-3-2 descent of the major scale in the tonic key (E major for "My Sweet Lord" and G major for "He's So Fine"); respective tempos are similar: 121 and 145 beats per minute. In the respective B sections ("I really want to see you" and "I dunno how I'm gonna do it"), there is a similar ascent through 5-6-8, but the Chiffons distinctively retain the G tonic for four bars and, on the repeat of the motif, uniquely go to an A-note 9th embellishment over the first syllable of "gonna".

                      Harrison, on the other hand, introduces the more complex harmony of a relative minor (C#m), as well as the fundamental and distinctly original slide-guitar motif.

                      Oh three-syllable title with differing tempos and different emphases in different places? Come on man.

                    3. John   12 years ago

                      I agree with Neoliberal. It doesn't sound that close to "He's So Fine". And besides, if Motown wants to start suing for ripping off songs, there are a few 19th Century Gospel hymn composers who would like to have a word with them.

                    4. Neoliberal Kochtopus   12 years ago

                      I mean, yeah, it's totally plausible that George Harrison, Eric Clapton, Billy Ham and Ringo Starr all managed to miss what an "obvious" rip-off "My Sweet Lord" was.

                      Jesus.

                    5. Brett L   12 years ago

                      You sound like Vanilla Ice defending his ripoff of Under Pressure. "Ours go duh-duh-duh-du-NA-nuh, there's goes duh-DUH-duh-du-na-nuh."

                    6. John   12 years ago

                      Totally possible. Just like they didn't realize Come Together was a complete rip off of Mabeline and change the bass line as a result.

              2. Paul.   12 years ago

                Ripping off Motown songs counts as "exploring God"?

                What's why I added "or chose not to pay attention".

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder   12 years ago

      Dylan saved the Galactica man! He rocks!

  9. Paul.   12 years ago

    Everyone who can should watch the video. Corgan is a smart guy.

    1. PH2050   12 years ago

      I think I'm going to utilize my time to do something other than watch a guy who praised Piers Morgan and his show.

  10. William of Purple   12 years ago

    Just take any pop song, change "baby" to Jesus and you have a Xian Rock Hit

    1. Jaybirdmojo   12 years ago

      Jesus, I'm gonna leave you.
      I'm leaving when the summer comes along.
      Oh, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...

      1. JD the elder   12 years ago

        "...but I killed my Jesus, with my switchblade knife."

        Actually, I do kind of like the idea of switching "baby" for "Jesus" in some songs - makes them a lot more controversial.

  11. Brett L   12 years ago

    OT: But the new McDonalds "Mighty Wings" are fairly decent. I mean, not in a league with Popeye's but better than McNuggets by a long shot.

  12. Marshall Gill   12 years ago

    Corgan is an interesting character and it's worth listening to his thoughts on rock/pop.

    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

  13. np   12 years ago

    An interesting trend I've noticed is more people getting into instrumental music or minimal lyrics, or songs where they don't really matter. This is already seen this with the rise in electronica (dubstep, dance, etc) and industrial (see also the German bands). But aside from an increase in individually sold game music albums, there are many artists selling modern soundtrack and trailer type music which ranges the gamut of genres from orchestral to metal and electronic, to a fusion of them. This was impossible to find a couple years ago, only available through pirated songs online, as previously these were reserved only for licensing.

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      A thing that sucks about that kind of music is that you can't find it online by typing some of the lyrics into google, because there are no lyrics to type!

    2. John   12 years ago

      The digital age has produced a great fracturing of music. There are so few big acts anymore because people have so many choices. They have fragmented down to their own little niches. I call that freedom and view it as a good thing.

      The only exception is hip hop. Hip hop fans are like cult members. A very large percentage of them listen to the same acts. And this is why such acts dominate the top 40 lists and have for years. It is the last genre of music where tastes are somewhat uniform.

    3. Metazoan   12 years ago

      Yep, my favorite genre is some strange variant of ambient and downtempo electronica. I don't think that would be accessible to me were it not for the internet.

  14. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

    I suppose it depends on how one defines the terms, but the idea that Christian rock can't be both is about as stupid as his list of up and coming libertarians.

  15. Warty   12 years ago

    I've always thought Christian rockers would do well to follow Nick Cave, where his music is not exactly devotional, but it's clearly informed by religion. And here's a lecture he did on Christ.

    1. John   12 years ago

      The problem is that Cave is a smart guy and produces music that makes you think a bit. That is great and all. But it is not really a ticket to top 40 success.

      1. Warty   12 years ago

        Sure, but it's the ticket to a lasting career. Another band that never made it big but has been around for years is Clutch, my favorite band in the world. They have plenty of the Bible in their lyrics, too.

        The rib of Adam, the eyes Of Eve
        The sons of cain receive no reprieve

        And I love the fact that Nick Cave's one smash hit song was about him murdering Kylie Minogue by bashing her head in with a rock.

        1. John   12 years ago

          I will have to look into Clutch. I have never heard them.

          1. Warty   12 years ago

            They're from Gaithersburg or some other town in suburban DC, and I think they all still live around there. You should make friends with them.

            1. John   12 years ago

              I will look them up. Maybe they still play around here.

              1. Warty   12 years ago

                Looks like they're playing a festival for old people in Baltimore this Saturday.

                1. John   12 years ago

                  Damn. I have to work this weekend. And that is a festival for old people. NTTAWWT

    2. Irish   12 years ago

      Nick Cave is pretty much one of a kind. I love the guy, but it's sort of a niche style of music.

      He also is almost unbelievably talented. The guy has written great musical scores for movies, including the score for The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford and The Proposition. He's capable of writing music in pretty much any style. He's written orchestral pieces, punk, gospel, folk, and...I don't even know what to call this.

      I don't think anyone can really follow his lead because there's no one really like him.

      1. Warty   12 years ago

        I'm not saying they should attempt to copy him, but rather that they'd do better making Christian art rather than preaching. But in any case, they'd do better becoming shitty copies of Nick Cave than doing what most Christian rockers do.

  16. Dylboz   12 years ago

    One word: Creed.

    1. KPres   12 years ago

      Exactly. That proves the point I was trying to make to John. Creed is what happens when modern people try pry meaning out of religion. Yuck.

  17. Old Man With Candy   12 years ago

    Matt the Electrician. "Black Blackness."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7PzPb0YoMY

  18. lap83   12 years ago

    Interesting article. I get so tired of the same themes in rock over and over again. The sound is the most important thing, but bad or cliched lyrics will make me resent the song even if the tune is otherwise good.

    My favorite songs hint at deeper meaning than just the lame overdone romantic or sexual overtones.

    I think a great Christian rock band would do something like this (one of my favorite 80s songs)
    Second Skin by The Chameleons
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyXorEmXqk

    It's meaningful without being sappy or overwrought. It's subtle and has an interesting song structure.

    1. lap83   12 years ago

      I forgot to mention, the song is supposedly about near death experiences.

  19. James Anderson Merritt   12 years ago

    After Dan Peek left America, he began singing a new version of the band's hit, "Lonely People," which included this modified line:

    "Don't give up until you
    Drink from the Silver Cup,
    And give your life to Jesus Christ."

    With all due respect to the late and talented Mr. Peek -- and admitting that the song still sounds good, despite the changes -- this struck me as something that Eric Cartman might have done.

  20. Arkansaustrian Economics   12 years ago

    Serpent Jesus
    Snake of Christ
    Nailed to a cross
    Of a holy design
    Blood to water
    Water to wine
    Whip the soul 'til a mother cries
    Bring it down, baby
    Pierce the side
    Start the legend with a funeral rite
    Serpent Jesus
    Snake of Christ
    Gonna build you
    A world of lies

    Yeee-aaa-hhhhh

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL7Jk8IMVXA

  21. JeremyR   12 years ago

    If anything, he should be thinking about the state of rock music in general.

    For all intents and purposes, it's dead. When the best you can come up with is Nicelback and crap like Arcade Fire, well, time to put it down.

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