Secession

California County Votes to Secede From State

Siskiyou County

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First several rural counties in Colorado considered secession to get away from a government in Denver they didn't think represented them. Now a county in Northern California has voted to secede from the state. One more and it's a trend?

From CBS San Francisco:

Supervisors in a far Northern California county where residents are fed up with what they see as a lack of representation at the state capitol and overregulation have voted in favor of separating from the state.

The Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors voted 4-1 on Tuesday for a declaration of secession, the Record Searchlight of Redding reported. The vote appears mostly symbolic since secession would require approval from the state Legislature and the U.S. Congress, but supporters say it would restore local control over decision making. They want other rural counties in Northern California and Southern Oregon to join them in the creation of a new state called the State of Jefferson.

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  1. Good for them. I hope they succeed.

    1. I see what you did there.

      1. If at first you don’t secede, try, try again.

        1. Unless you’re the South.

  2. Sorry folks, but the Civil War was fought to keep people like you on the plantation where your masters can make sure you’re looked after.

  3. So, are we going to kill a lot of them to make them rejoin the Holy Union with California? Or is secession from a state okay?

    1. Yes. No.

      Jesus, ProL, DO keep up.

      1. Okay, so drone strikes are in the works?

        Good luck, Jefferson! Hope you secede where others have not.

        1. I think you mean “suck seed”

          1. A friend of mine (years ago) saw this bumper sticker in Alabama: “If first you don’t secede, try, try again.”

            1. See third comment above.

              OT: My fave bumper stickers are (in order) –

              1) “I Brake For Hallucinations” and
              2) “My Other Car Is A Porsche”….on a 911…

              1. Ah, I see it has spread out of Alabama.

                Secession: It’s not just for racists anymore.

    2. Secession is not much of a cure.

      Maine seceded from Massachusetts. Look how that turned out. 😉

    3. Trying to secede from any state is exactly the same as trying to drag President Obama back into slavery. Congress will kill as many people as it takes to prevent that.

      1. We need a Godwin term for that – “drag President Obama back into slavery”.

        “Akstoned the thread” doesn’t quite work.

        Bidened? (“put ya’ll back in chains”).

        Other ideas?

      2. I can see it now plantations…marijuana plantations with forced labor from women, poor people, and immigrants.

        Glorious, glorious.

        1. I’m in!

          *raises hand*

        2. As long as it does not diminish the supply of child labor for monocle polishers and top hat blockers.

  4. Hah! Nope – sorry! It IS a suicide pact. Now come to your senses, put down that petition and take three steps back…so we don’t have to send in the drones and SWAT teams.

  5. …secession would require approval from the state Legislature and the U.S. Congress…

    I understand that the U.S. Congress needs to approve because they are essentially becoming either a new territory or a new state.

    But in claiming that it would require approval from the state legislature, whoever wrote this is clearly unclear on the whole concept of secession. And whoever capitalized “Legislature” has serious authority issues.

    1. It’s in the Constitution, and legislature is properly capitalized when referring to a specific legislature, such as California’s.

      1. Ah, so it is: IV.3.1. How did West Virginia get in then?

        And I can understand capitalizing Assembly or Senate. But the generic “Legislature”, without capitalizing “state” before it?

        Looking at Wikipedia, of the five generic uses of “legislature”, two are capitalized and three are not. Presumably this is the result of multiple editors, at least one with authority issues.

        1. Ah, so it is: IV.3.1. How did West Virginia get in then?

          The Pro-Union legislature of Virginia approved of secession: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R…..f_Virginia

          1. In other words, their side won the war.

          2. As expected, the bit in the Constitution about needing the state legislature’s approval can be overridden by the U.S. Congress as it wishes. So my original claim stands de facto.

            Jefferson should have a bicameral legislature. One house can be the Assembly of Jefferson, and the other house can be the Restored Legislatures of California, Oregon, and Any Other State What’s Got a Problem with Jefferson’s Statehood.

  6. If a majority of Californians want Moonbat government, why don’t they just vote to let Jefferson go? Don’t they want those damn hillbillies out of California? This is their chance to get rid of them!

    1. One word.

      R-E-V-E-N-U-E.

      Nuff said.

      1. But I thought that all redneck areas were filled with toothless yahoos who take in more government subsidies than they pay in taxes?

  7. I wonder. What would happen if California said “OK, but we want a payout on your portion of the bill due”?

    Cali would be incentivized to include everything it actually owes on that accounting and it would bring it all out into the open.

    1. I wonder. What would happen if California said “OK,

      Hahahhaaahhhhhaaa!

    2. I wonder. What would happen if California said “OK, but we want a payout on your portion of the bill due”?

      It has been my impression that is what has kept Scotland in UK.

      Scotland: We’re sick of your shit Britain, so we’re leaving.

      Britain: Ok, but no more welfare and we keep the North Sea rigs.

      Scotland: …

  8. The Republic of CE hereby recognizes the great state of Siskiyou County, and will be sending an ambassador the next time we visit.

  9. The State of Jefferson has been trying to get off the ground since 1941.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)#20th_century

    We’ve had other posts here at Hit & Run about Cascadia (the independence movement) in the past, and I think it’s a great idea. First you push to make your own state, and when that fails, you push hard for independence.

    If we got a real independence movement centered around something other than slavery, we might see some positive change–without too much bloodshed.

    Nobody would want to invade a country like Cascadia, what with all those mountains, all that forest, and all that flannel.

    1. Yeah, the mistake they made last time was that they made the push just before Pearl Harbor was bombed.

  10. The State of Jefferson movement started during the Great Depression, because northern California and southern Oregon felt they weren’t getting enough Federal dole dollars. I find it ironic that the State of Jefferson has now become some sort of libertarian movement. If you just say the magic word “secede” then libertarians will be all for it. The means justify the ends I guess.

    1. From link above, the movement started a wee bit after the Great Depression. But 1941 was still part of FDR’s Federal Spending Spree.

    2. So I should only support secession if I agree with the politics of those involved? Restoring the right to secede would be a huge boon for liberty.

    3. I’d argue that the act of secession, is inherently decentralizing, and thus inherently libertarian.

      Free speech and especially the media is often used for non libertarian causes and purposes. Nazi propaganda, Communist subversion, the Rwandan genocide, and of course the neo-nazis in Skokie. But I’m not throwing free speech under the bus to go after those bad guys.

  11. I wish Central California would secede from California. We already have a little village on the Monterey Bay, named Capitola, in hopes that it could be the original California’s capital, instead of Sacramento. I live just down the road from it. But if not Capitola, I would be happy with Monterey, Santa Cruz, or even San Jose. Just please, not Fresno!

    If the revived Jefferson State movement gains traction, and ultimately a new State is created, then perhaps Central California can have its day, too. Sadly, I doubt that the dominant politics in this ultra-progressive area would differ much from the crap we get from Sacto already. But a guy can dream, can’t he?

    Good luck to the Jefferson Staters. If they secede successfully, and Central California cannot, I may be moving to Jefferson in the not-too-distant future. The Eureka area is nice (though prone to tsunamis).

  12. The rest of California should just kick out LA, SF (bay area) and SD.

    The wealthy liberals will say “haha, the tech and tourism industry, Silicon Valley, and ports are all on our side”. But when the State of Jefferson lowers their taxes and passes a Arizona style immigration law, the business will go there, and the illegal immigrants will go to them!!! Hahaha

  13. Homework: Sweet Anarchy, comic novel by Nathaniel Benchley, who was wedged in between better-known father Robert and son Peter. It concerned secession from Mass., but not by Me.

    There was recently published a novel of historic fiction about the Republic of West Fla. too, IIRC.

  14. I agree with the County sess movements. HOWEVER, there are some things FIRST

    1) The Congress needs to set an “Application Deadline”, once a decade or two. You can’t have applications come in drip and drabs, that ALONE will forestall consideration. All applications would be considered without fear of the resultant tidal wave of NEW applications.

    2) The Federal Congress is NOT the only path to Liberty. You could have a Convention of States that would take up the application of a County(ies) that was attempting to escape State control. If a State thought to hold a minority of Counties for the purpose of benefiting financially and politically from their “bondage”, what recourse would be available to such citizens?

    However, if a group of Counties was to APPLY for redress of grievances through a Convention of States, would they be able to find 13 States willing to proxy such grievances at a Convention? Could they then find the required 38 States needed to vote FOR that freedom?

    http://conventionofstates.com

    Q: If a bunch of little States, numerous and equal in Convention, thought that a LARGE state had grown “too large”, too boisterous, and too powerful at the Electoral College for the good of the body, would they be willing to consider favorably the application of such trapped counties, and vote to deliver them?

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