A local SWAT team working with the U.S. Park Police raided the Herndon, Va. home of libertarian activist Adam Kokesh shortly before 8 p.m. last night. Kokesh was arrested and "charged with possession of schedule I or II drugs while in possession of a firearm," according to the Washington Post (The drug: psilocybin mushrooms.)
The raid--which a Kokesh roommate says involved a SWAT team knocking in Kokesh's front door then tossing a flashbang into the foyer--likely resulted from a video that shows Kokesh loading a shotgun in Freedom Square in D.C. on July 4th, in violation of D.C. law (I say "likely" because the U.S. Park Police has yet to confirm the video's role in Kokesh's arrest).
Kokesh had originally promised to lead a group of armed gun-owners across the Memorial Bridge from Virginia into D.C. When the Metropolitan Police Department promised to meet him on the D.C. side and arrest anyone violating D.C.'s gun laws, Kokesh backed down. Hence the early morning shotgun-loading video he filmed in Freedom Square. The video, titled, "Open Carry March on DC a Success," concludes with Kokesh saying, "We are the final American Revolution. See you next Independence Day."
A statement posted on Kokesh's website, Adam Vs The Man, describes the raid thusly:
Adam Kokesh Facebook page
On the evening of Tuesday, 09JUL13, at approximately 7:45 PM, a combination of US Parks Police (an arm of the DHS) raided Adam Kokesh's residence. Local Herndon police assisted in the armed invasion. The officers used a battering ram to knock in the door after two knocks, and did not announce that they had a warrant. Immediately after breaking down the door, a flash bang grenade was deployed in the foyer.
Numerous police vehicles, including a light armored vehicle and two low-flying helicopters barricaded Adam's street. More than 20 armored SWAT team members surrounded the house, as well as a number of detectives, and plainclothes officers. Assault rifles were aimed on all members of the team as they were handcuffed without being told why they were detained. Masked and armored police in full "Storm Trooper" gear flooded in and ransacked the residence. The team was cordoned in a front room, while Adam was pulled aside for questioning.
Over the course of the next five hours, the police searched every corner of the house with canine units and blueprints to the house obtained prior to the search. All officers refused to speak to the crew while they we being detained. They confiscated cell phones and personal items with force. Throughout the ordeal, the police repeatedly showed a volatile desire to initiate aggressive, forceful conduct with detainees. At one point, Adam politely requested to use the restroom and was kicked by the officer forcing him to sit handcuffed on the floor. After hours of determined attempts, the safe was forced open and all items inside were confiscated. Adam was arrested and his crew were told he was being brought to the Herndon Police department overnight. Well after midnight, police officers cleared the house.
"Kokesh refused to be fingerprinted or arraigned, or to speak with court officials on Wednesday morning," the Post reports. He'll be arraigned tomorrow morning.
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Because of Freedom has been replaced with Because of 9/11.
You completely defeat an enemy by denying him all of his objectives. You achieve a total victory by doing so while achieving all of yours.
The jihadists hate our freedom, hate our way of life, and they want to make us just like them.
We could have completely defeated them simply by continuing to be ourselves. Instead, we chose to defeat ourselves and give them a total victory.
So Osama bin Laden got killed? So what? He won and we lost. He was willing to die to win, killing him was not a defeat for him if he accomplished his objectives in the process. He won. We lost.
And so long as our freedoms get thrown into a garbage pile in the name of making us more like them, he continues to win and we continue to lose.
That's actually a good idea, if you had any reason to suspect that you might be the target of a no-knock, as Adam certainly should have. Not even fifty, if you had five medium-to-large-sized dogs and the wide-eyed, panicky play-soldiers killed all of them I would think that might get some serious attention.
Right? How dare anyone complain that the police are out of control or militarized or that we are heading towardsvan all out police state? The fact that they can print this article disproves that.
...a video that shows Kokesh loading a shotgun in Freedom Square in D.C. on July 4th...
It would be great if a longer version of that video would be released showing Kokesh stepping out from in front of a green screen at the end of the it.
For someone who apparently sees the effectiveness of video, it's disappointing he didn't have surveillance cameras at his place to capture the inevitable state agent roidfest that rained down upon him.
That'll happen when society redefines their terms. As it is now, patriotism is the same as loyalty to a government, nation-statism is synonymous with a free society and taxation is charity. Where does one even begin to tackle that much ignorance?
The disappointing part to me is the Virginia and local cooperation in this shit. The idealistic part of me would hope that a state would protect its citizens from an overreaching federal government - not kick down his door with relish.
They could have at least low-keyed the whole thing. Arrest him on the street and have uniformed cops do the search. Instead of proving his point so dramatically.
Holy fuck. They don't even care about the bad publicity anymore. Not a good sign. Their contempt for those that would challenge their authority is completely over the top.
It also makes it a lot easier for those of who argue that they are being draconian to be SWAT raided ourselves for bullshit reasons while everyone else cowers in fear, or worse, says "Meh, those Libertarian weirdos deserve what they get for breaking TEH LAW. Now, where do I sign up to help load them onto the trains?"
I posted this down below, it's from the WP comments:
Like Snowden, another one of Paul's boys is acting up. The line between the Libertarian righties and the Anarchist lefties is getting blurrier by the day. They all hate and want the destruction of organized governance. I tell you, these radical Libertarian bare watching, they are becoming a security threat as they are as unstable as rickety old rocking chairs and as crazy as loons.
Their (the average liberal/neocon) animosity is growing. I don't think that bodes well for libertarians in general.
Dude, the typical WaPo forum monster stopped its insightful analysis at "white guy with gun". At the risk of Godwinning the shit out of this, your average Progressive would have no problem with an authoritarian state so long as it provided healthcare, recycling, and respected gay marriages. Freedom to these people means "freedom within reason", or "freedom to agree with me".
I'd say low - 20% or so. Their response was so over-the-top, this is obviously personal to them. If they were going to plant, I'd say they'd be much more likely to plant something that would put him away for a lot longer than shrooms. A few bottles of oxycodone or a few teenths of meth, perhaps.
OTOH, maybe shrooms was all they could find at the station, and they were in a hurry to beat someone's ass.
If they would've planted something like Coke or Meth or even Weed then a simple urinalysis at his arrest or arraignment could prove he wasnt a user. The active ingredient in shrooms, psilocybin, is not going to show up in a urine drug test. It is likely for that reason the mushrooms were planted. He has no way to prove he wasnt a user.
It's disappointing that an outspoken guy such as Kokesh actually has illegal drugs on his premesis (presuming they weren't planted).
And avoiding the whole "are you saying he deserved this treatment"?
No. But if I'm going to practically dare the feds to bust me, do I really want stuff in my possession that's going to get me convicted in pretty much every court in the land?
Not the point. I don't think that having some marijuana plants in my house should be a crime-- nor should having processed coca leaves, but my living in Washington State not withstanding, if I have ten kilos of marijuana and/or coke in my garage, I'm going to go to jail for a very long time. So if I lean out my window and yell, "Come git me motherfuckers!" it will hardly be surprising if I find myself standing tall before the man.
Don't confuse 'should or shouldn't be' with 'will or won't happen'.
^This. It's frustrating as hell, and bush league, amateur hour shit that no political activist should be caught out on. He forgot that he's working to restore rights that have been taken from us, not prevent them from being taken in the first place. Yeah, you should be able to eat a pound of shrooms while cleaning a bazooka as three hookers use your dick as a snorkel and still be taken seriously when you advocate legitimate political views. But it doesn't work that way, and it never has. It especially doesn't work that way when you're trying to convince non-libertarians that there's nothing threatening about open carry. Previously, he was a veteran who was a firm believer in individual liberty, a political activist who venerated the Constitution. Now he's a 20-something unbalanced drug addict who probably suffers from PTSD. That's the story the media's running with, and that's the one that the people we need to convince are gonna buy. Keep in mind that, when you say "Ruby Ridge" or "Waco", a lot of people think "whacko racist white guy who was justly shot/arrested by the Feds". Crap like this doesn't do anything to change minds.
Like those libertarian students challenging the DUI stops. They didn't show up to the DUI stops three sheets to the wind with an open container in the console and a trunk full of marijuana.
Shrooms? That's an odd one. Really dumb on his part to have them, assuming they didn't find an old bag of dried-up shrooms from years before his activism.
I could see having some pot or something you take on a daily/hourly basis... but shrooms? Leave em at your buddies house for the camping trip next month... don't sit on em when you're a thorn in the side of government.
If they would've planted something like Coke or Meth or even Weed then a simple urinalysis at his arrest or arraignment could prove he wasnt a user. The active ingredient in shrooms, psilocybin, is not going to show up in a urine drug test. It is likely for that reason the mushrooms were planted. He has no way to prove he wasnt a user.
Low. I agree with the comment about Kokesh being an idiot for having them at home. The best I'm hoping for is that they turn out to be shitake or something. Sort of like Noriega and his 50 lbs or cocaine/tamales.
I think high. If they would've planted something like Coke or Meth or even Weed then a simple urinalysis at his arrest or arraignment could prove he wasnt a user. The active ingredient in shrooms, psilocybin, is not going to show up in a urine drug test. It is likely for that reason the mushrooms were planted. He has no way to prove he wasnt a user.
Separately, in response to a Florida Sunshine Law request to the City of Sanford, Judicial Watch also obtained an audio recording of a "community meeting" held at Second Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church in Sanford on April 19, 2012. The meeting, which led to the ouster of Sanford's Police Chief Bill Lee, was scheduled after a group of college students calling themselves the "Dream Defenders" barricaded the entrance to the police department demanding Lee be fired. According to the Orlando Sentinel, DOJ employees with the CRS had arranged a 40-mile police escort for the students from Daytona Beach to Sanford.
- Ties with Code Pink (I am anti-war but they are pretty far left).
- The language he uses often sounds Marxist.
- He has a face that cries out for a fist.
- He's full of hot air and bluster (what happened to the march?).
- The gun rights movement constantly has agent provocateurs and fake pro-gun people trying to infiltrate it (see American Hunters and Shooters Association or any other "pro-gun" group for "common sense" gun control).
And in general he seems suspicious.
Make no mistake, I don't support this treatment of him at all. It's complete bullshit.
But I don't have to trust or like the guy, either.
I've never heard him use Marxist language. From what few videos I've seen with him, he sounded pretty consistently like an anarchist. Not a pro-government bone in his body.
Huh, Marxist? He's a full blown anarcho-capitalist. He runs Agorist metals business. He's welcomes alternative guests even when he disagrees on certain issues, and have philosophized about the difference of approach between Rothbard and Samuel Konkin on his show.
He seems like an "agent provocateur" only because he strongly agrees with Konkin's approach (I do too, but with less balls admittedly)
To be fair, Kokesh is a complete and utter assclown. Doesn't mean he should have his rights violated, but let's not put him on the pantheon of libertarian heroes quite yet.
At this point, I only hope that the jackboots kick down their doors one day for standing up for something, anything, other than MOAR FREE SHIT. Hell, maybe they'll get curb stomped for that alone, if we're lucky.
Fuck these cunts, every last one of them. It seems the only way they'll ever understand what's going on is to be beaten within an inch of their life by these goons and to have all of their things that make their life livable, taken away.
I'm about to turn 35, and, if I've learned one thing in the past year, it's that I've got better shit to do than argue with morons. As soon as I see someone use a "witty" misspelling or blatant straw man, I wish them the best of luck in their future endeavors and get the check. You can work with differing opinions, or lack of information. You can have productive discourse that results in both people coming away with deeper understandings of the subject, or at least a better idea of what opposing viewpoints are based on. You can't do anything with stupid, and stupid always, ALWAYS wins.
I have always found it amusing that these are the types of people who like to think of themselves as the ones who would have resisted totalitarian regimes when in reality they would have been the first ones goose-stepping behind Mussolini.
I have a lot of respect for these guys that engage in this kind of open civil disobedience, but it seems to me that quietly ignoring the law is the better option. I don't want to get my door busted in, after all.
...but it seems to me that quietly ignoring the law is the better option.
Or at least not making a big deal out of rights you do have. The recent outlawing of open carry of firearms in California being an example.
Some gun owners demonstrated their right to open carry [unloaded] handguns by meeting at restaurants and such wearing their guns. This made the news some others nervous. So, after the Newton shootings that was right out in the open for the state legislature to attack and they outlawed open carry of even unloaded handguns.
So what did those same gun owners do after that? They said, "We'll show them. We'll just open carry our rifles and shotguns instead". You guessed it. The legislature jumped on that in a minute and outlawed open carry of long guns, too.
Hard to say if they might not have outlawed it, anyway, due to the Newton and Aurora hysteria, but shining a spotlight on themselves and the fact they were legally able to carry unloaded guns didn't help.
Are you suggesting the short-lived children of Newtown are being expropriated as martyrs of a cause their young minds would have been incapable mostly of understanding? Impossible!
Like Snowden, another one of Paul's boys is acting up. The line between the Libertarian righties and the Anarchist lefties is getting blurrier by the day. They all hate and want the destruction of organized governance. I tell you, these radical Libertarian bare watching, they are becoming a security threat as they are as unstable as rickety old rocking chairs and as crazy as loons.
Their true colors are shining thru. The one thing the TEAMs can agree on.
Yeah, but they have a few seconds on youtube of Kokesh. It's not like David Gregory was flaunting the law on television or before a large studio production staff.
I will say this about Kokesh. If he really had drugs in his house he is monstrously stupid. Good for him for engaging in civil disobedience. I wish I had the balls to do that. But if you are going to do that, you better be totally clean in every other aspect of your life. If he really did have drugs in his house, he just gave his enemies a way to change the subject and justify his arrest.
There is a reason why the NAACP picked a nice little old lady secretary to get arrested for refusing to ride in the back of the bus and not a 20 year old prostitute.
I think it's interesting that psilocybin was found. Hallucinogens. It is probably a show that libertarians 'see' things that the normal population doesn't. While that is a true statement, I think most of us see the fucked up shit even when we are stone cold sober.
He knew he was going to do this. Why would he not clear all of the drugs out of his house in advance?
The fact that it was psilocybin makes me think it was actually there. That doesn't seem to be the kind of drug cops would plant. They would plant coke or pot or meth or something more common.
Unless, of course, that's what they want you to think.
I'm not willing to discount the possibility of it being a plant just because it wasn't something common. Not necessarily saying it's a plant (I'd put the odds at less than 50/50), but I wouldn't dismiss it just because of what was "found".
Actually, good for him. If you're gonna gun for guns, why not gun for drugs too. There's nothing wrong with God's creations and He created hallucinogenic mushrooms, most likely on the sixth day, knowing that a day of rest was coming up.
Right. A regular joe would plea down at this point but Adam does not recognize the govt so a judge will throw the max 10 years at him for the mushrooms. Assuming a jury convicts.
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So how is it this overly armed Putz wasn't able to fire on these police? Isn't that what the gun nuts preach? Armed to the teeth to ward off tyranny?
The disconnect between HuffPo's scary lead article (Over militarization of police, which quotes Reason btw) and the comments of people praising the military raid is mind boggling.
I try to stay away from HuffPo--even went so far as to block them from Google News--but I had to see what they thought about this raid. Bad idea.
That'll show all these negative-nancys who complain about a tyrannical police-state that their concerns are unfounded. people sitting at home alone should rest easy knowing there are such professional SWAT members in the parks department. With helicopters, no less! also, that people should remember to pee BEFORE they kick in the door. Pee on your own time, criminals!
I suspect there may have been some Tuttle/Buttle mixup involved here anyway. "Alright Mr Koresh, your days of crazy talk are finally over..." "ITS KOKESH!!"...."ahh, close enough. Hippies with guns. Same diff."
Those who are victims of government agents, have the right to seek personal consequences against the perpetrators. The moral right, not the legal right. Two different things. Adam Kokesh is perfectly aware, as is anyone who has had their right to Life, Liberty, Property, or the Pursuit of Happiness violated or infringed by government agents, that if someone violates your natural rights, then they forfeit their own. So, if a cop has broken down your door, or a judge has ordered them to do it, then both of those people are fair targets for retribution.
Karma is a bitch. And the agents of the state should be at least smart enough to understand that it should be preferable to conduct themselves in a non-aggressive fashion, than constantly looking over their shoulder for the inevitable retribution.
Wow, they aren't even trying to hide their contempt for unruly citizens.
I remember as a kid that our evil enemies in the Cold War did shit like this, but not here in the USA because of freedom or some shit like that.
USA!USA!USA!
Because of Freedom has been replaced with Because of 9/11.
You completely defeat an enemy by denying him all of his objectives. You achieve a total victory by doing so while achieving all of yours.
The jihadists hate our freedom, hate our way of life, and they want to make us just like them.
We could have completely defeated them simply by continuing to be ourselves. Instead, we chose to defeat ourselves and give them a total victory.
So Osama bin Laden got killed? So what? He won and we lost. He was willing to die to win, killing him was not a defeat for him if he accomplished his objectives in the process. He won. We lost.
And so long as our freedoms get thrown into a garbage pile in the name of making us more like them, he continues to win and we continue to lose.
Strange, I also seem to remember such a time. It's like a dream that has no connection to reality.
and nothing else happened.
Luckily he didn't have a dog.
I'm not sure what the big deal is; sounds like another successful application of justice by the heroes in blue.
I mean, it's not like anybody died or anything. Sheesh.
If Adam owned a dog, he doesn't anymore.
If they weren't so expensive to feed I'd own 50 dogs. Can you imagine them killing 50 dogs? Shit, even PETA might help you out.
That's actually a good idea, if you had any reason to suspect that you might be the target of a no-knock, as Adam certainly should have. Not even fifty, if you had five medium-to-large-sized dogs and the wide-eyed, panicky play-soldiers killed all of them I would think that might get some serious attention.
Right? How dare anyone complain that the police are out of control or militarized or that we are heading towardsvan all out police state? The fact that they can print this article disproves that.
It's not the printing of articles that harms you. It's what comes after the printing.
You might want to check your sarcasm meter.
...a video that shows Kokesh loading a shotgun in Freedom Square in D.C. on July 4th...
It would be great if a longer version of that video would be released showing Kokesh stepping out from in front of a green screen at the end of the it.
For someone who apparently sees the effectiveness of video, it's disappointing he didn't have surveillance cameras at his place to capture the inevitable state agent roidfest that rained down upon him.
Yes, that is an astounding oversight on his part.
I doubt he expected this. Though that seems like an oversight on his part.
Well, the Feds know the power of video. I mean, fuck, it lead to the Benghazi deaths. Gotta stop that kinda irresponsible rabble rousing.
David Gregory can.
You can't.
David Gregory is a member of the Ministry of Information. Why would he NOT be allowed to exist outside of their laws?
Remember when there was a video of a man waving around a 30-round magazine inside D.C.?
Good times.
Gestapo. DC is strictly off-limits for me.
This guy is obviously a terrorist. Probably a christian and a tea party guy too. There was a memo.
So proud to be an American today.
A genuine friend of liberty can not be "proud" of a nation state. It is pure cognitive dissonance otherwise.
Pride need not be logically justifiable for it to exist.
True enough.
However, we would all benefit if we just jettisoned jingoism, patriotism and love of nation state
That'll happen when society redefines their terms. As it is now, patriotism is the same as loyalty to a government, nation-statism is synonymous with a free society and taxation is charity. Where does one even begin to tackle that much ignorance?
Can a true Scotsman?
This is infuriating.
One does not simply exercise their Constitutional rights in D.C. Mordor.
Every time a Reason writer uses the word "thusly," Jesus sheds a tear as a kitten gets thrown into a meat grinder.
All that communion wine has to come from somewhere.
And all this time, I thought it was cheap crap like Welch's grape juice.
I'm gonna have to thank my pastor next time I see him for going that extra mile to filet a cat for the communion service.
-Knock knock.
-who's there?
-Flashbang!
Flashbang who?
Flashbang Dale Arden (or Dr. Zarkov, depending on which way your fanfic swings)
Flashbang, fuck you that's why.
..."a video that shows Kokesh loading a shotgun in Freedom Square in D.C. on July 4th"...
They have the chutzpa to call it FREEDOM SQUARE
tic toc tic toc
when that alarm bell rings
a new day will dawn
At this point, who do we think has the longer life-exectancy: Kokesh or Snowden?
(The authorities seem to really dislike it when veterans go off the reservation. Weird.)
A local SWAT team working with the U.S. Park Police
Park Police?
It's DC, there is a different federal agency in charge of everything and they all have an enforcement arm.
Maybe it was their gun he was loading.
Or they just got some new SWAT gear.
Freedom Plaza is US Dept of Interior property and thus, Park Police.
Glad to hear they found their missing guns. Or did they borrow some?
The disappointing part to me is the Virginia and local cooperation in this shit. The idealistic part of me would hope that a state would protect its citizens from an overreaching federal government - not kick down his door with relish.
They could have at least low-keyed the whole thing. Arrest him on the street and have uniformed cops do the search. Instead of proving his point so dramatically.
There is no separation between local/state government in northern Virginia and the feds. They have a parasitic relationship.
Cops are gonna cop. You think they'd give up the chance to play soldier?
Holy fuck. They don't even care about the bad publicity anymore. Not a good sign. Their contempt for those that would challenge their authority is completely over the top.
Not a good sign? Being visibly draconian makes it a lot easier for the likes of us to argue that they are in fact draconian.
It also makes it a lot easier for those of who argue that they are being draconian to be SWAT raided ourselves for bullshit reasons while everyone else cowers in fear, or worse, says "Meh, those Libertarian weirdos deserve what they get for breaking TEH LAW. Now, where do I sign up to help load them onto the trains?"
So get 100,000 people to protest outside the jail where they are holding Kokesh. Make them pay.
I posted this down below, it's from the WP comments:
Their (the average liberal/neocon) animosity is growing. I don't think that bodes well for libertarians in general.
Do you think it bodes well for the average liberal / neocon?
If "organized governance" includes SWAT team raids on citizens who attempt to assert their supposed rights, maybe it is time for it to go.
supposed rights? Do you not have any inherent right to life, liberty or property by virtue of your personhood?
Dude, the typical WaPo forum monster stopped its insightful analysis at "white guy with gun". At the risk of Godwinning the shit out of this, your average Progressive would have no problem with an authoritarian state so long as it provided healthcare, recycling, and respected gay marriages. Freedom to these people means "freedom within reason", or "freedom to agree with me".
Odds on the shrooms being planted?
Low
Meth and date rape drugs would make a better sympathy-robbing smear job.
I'd say low - 20% or so. Their response was so over-the-top, this is obviously personal to them. If they were going to plant, I'd say they'd be much more likely to plant something that would put him away for a lot longer than shrooms. A few bottles of oxycodone or a few teenths of meth, perhaps.
OTOH, maybe shrooms was all they could find at the station, and they were in a hurry to beat someone's ass.
Shrooms only make sense as a plant if an informant was tasked with the planting.
If they would've planted something like Coke or Meth or even Weed then a simple urinalysis at his arrest or arraignment could prove he wasnt a user. The active ingredient in shrooms, psilocybin, is not going to show up in a urine drug test. It is likely for that reason the mushrooms were planted. He has no way to prove he wasnt a user.
It's disappointing that an outspoken guy such as Kokesh actually has illegal drugs on his premesis (presuming they weren't planted).
And avoiding the whole "are you saying he deserved this treatment"?
No. But if I'm going to practically dare the feds to bust me, do I really want stuff in my possession that's going to get me convicted in pretty much every court in the land?
Yeah, that is pretty dumb.
Why? A few plants don't harm anyone, and owning them shouldn't be a crime.
Not the point. I don't think that having some marijuana plants in my house should be a crime-- nor should having processed coca leaves, but my living in Washington State not withstanding, if I have ten kilos of marijuana and/or coke in my garage, I'm going to go to jail for a very long time. So if I lean out my window and yell, "Come git me motherfuckers!" it will hardly be surprising if I find myself standing tall before the man.
Don't confuse 'should or shouldn't be' with 'will or won't happen'.
^This. It's frustrating as hell, and bush league, amateur hour shit that no political activist should be caught out on. He forgot that he's working to restore rights that have been taken from us, not prevent them from being taken in the first place. Yeah, you should be able to eat a pound of shrooms while cleaning a bazooka as three hookers use your dick as a snorkel and still be taken seriously when you advocate legitimate political views. But it doesn't work that way, and it never has. It especially doesn't work that way when you're trying to convince non-libertarians that there's nothing threatening about open carry. Previously, he was a veteran who was a firm believer in individual liberty, a political activist who venerated the Constitution. Now he's a 20-something unbalanced drug addict who probably suffers from PTSD. That's the story the media's running with, and that's the one that the people we need to convince are gonna buy. Keep in mind that, when you say "Ruby Ridge" or "Waco", a lot of people think "whacko racist white guy who was justly shot/arrested by the Feds". Crap like this doesn't do anything to change minds.
95% they were planted.
Either the shrooms were planted or Kokesh is a complete moron. He had to know they were coming.
Hard to say.
Like those libertarian students challenging the DUI stops. They didn't show up to the DUI stops three sheets to the wind with an open container in the console and a trunk full of marijuana.
Either the shrooms were planted or Kokesh is a complete moron.
Why can't it be both?
Shrooms? That's an odd one. Really dumb on his part to have them, assuming they didn't find an old bag of dried-up shrooms from years before his activism.
I could see having some pot or something you take on a daily/hourly basis... but shrooms? Leave em at your buddies house for the camping trip next month... don't sit on em when you're a thorn in the side of government.
If they would've planted something like Coke or Meth or even Weed then a simple urinalysis at his arrest or arraignment could prove he wasnt a user. The active ingredient in shrooms, psilocybin, is not going to show up in a urine drug test. It is likely for that reason the mushrooms were planted. He has no way to prove he wasnt a user.
Low. I agree with the comment about Kokesh being an idiot for having them at home. The best I'm hoping for is that they turn out to be shitake or something. Sort of like Noriega and his 50 lbs or cocaine/tamales.
of. Not or. Where's the edit button?
I'm imagining a game show...
I think high. If they would've planted something like Coke or Meth or even Weed then a simple urinalysis at his arrest or arraignment could prove he wasnt a user. The active ingredient in shrooms, psilocybin, is not going to show up in a urine drug test. It is likely for that reason the mushrooms were planted. He has no way to prove he wasnt a user.
OT: I posted this on another thread, but this actually seems germane to a post about miscarriages of justice. Justice Department paid to organize marches and rallies against George Zimmerman.
Whoever that is within the DOJ should be flayed. That's political activity, pure and simple.
What do you expect? That RACIST white hispanic murdered the president's secret son! They can't let him get away with that. /DERP
Wait, what?
For a sampling of how this is being received by the more progressive populace:
http://www.democraticundergrou.....5545#post1
TEAM RED hates him too. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1.....Rams_.html
Primarily because of his sufficient lack of a warboner (relationship with Code Pink).
Kokesh is perceived as an agent provocateur by more than a few hardcore anti-government types.
I have a sneaking suspicion that he is an agent provocateur.
See what I mean?
I have suspicions as well.
Suspicions based on what?
- Ties with Code Pink (I am anti-war but they are pretty far left).
- The language he uses often sounds Marxist.
- He has a face that cries out for a fist.
- He's full of hot air and bluster (what happened to the march?).
- The gun rights movement constantly has agent provocateurs and fake pro-gun people trying to infiltrate it (see American Hunters and Shooters Association or any other "pro-gun" group for "common sense" gun control).
And in general he seems suspicious.
Make no mistake, I don't support this treatment of him at all. It's complete bullshit.
But I don't have to trust or like the guy, either.
I've never heard him use Marxist language. From what few videos I've seen with him, he sounded pretty consistently like an anarchist. Not a pro-government bone in his body.
Huh, Marxist? He's a full blown anarcho-capitalist. He runs Agorist metals business. He's welcomes alternative guests even when he disagrees on certain issues, and have philosophized about the difference of approach between Rothbard and Samuel Konkin on his show.
He seems like an "agent provocateur" only because he strongly agrees with Konkin's approach (I do too, but with less balls admittedly)
To be fair, Kokesh is a complete and utter assclown. Doesn't mean he should have his rights violated, but let's not put him on the pantheon of libertarian heroes quite yet.
Most of the comments I saw there looked like they supported him/didn't support what the government was doing.
I like this one:
Does it count if the beer is in a cooler in the bed?
If this is the case, half of Kentucky is ripe for drunken road rage. It's a wonder that THEY NEVER FUCKING OCCUR.
At this point, I only hope that the jackboots kick down their doors one day for standing up for something, anything, other than MOAR FREE SHIT. Hell, maybe they'll get curb stomped for that alone, if we're lucky.
Fuck these cunts, every last one of them. It seems the only way they'll ever understand what's going on is to be beaten within an inch of their life by these goons and to have all of their things that make their life livable, taken away.
I wonder if this same person thinks that Zimmerman "wanted" to shoot Trayvon. A law hardly prevented him from doing that now, did it?
I'm about to turn 35, and, if I've learned one thing in the past year, it's that I've got better shit to do than argue with morons. As soon as I see someone use a "witty" misspelling or blatant straw man, I wish them the best of luck in their future endeavors and get the check. You can work with differing opinions, or lack of information. You can have productive discourse that results in both people coming away with deeper understandings of the subject, or at least a better idea of what opposing viewpoints are based on. You can't do anything with stupid, and stupid always, ALWAYS wins.
Proof that they would gladly help load their fellow countrymen onto cattle cars bound for the re-education camps if it ever came to that.
Re-education? Was there ever an education in the first place? Seriously.
I have always found it amusing that these are the types of people who like to think of themselves as the ones who would have resisted totalitarian regimes when in reality they would have been the first ones goose-stepping behind Mussolini.
Any warrants?
I have a lot of respect for these guys that engage in this kind of open civil disobedience, but it seems to me that quietly ignoring the law is the better option. I don't want to get my door busted in, after all.
It's easy to get away with crime. Just keep your yap shut about it. That's all.
Exactly. So, sarc, how did those illegal machine guns you were building turn out? And your cocaine trafficking scheme?
Didn't pan out. Machine gun parts are harder to come by than I thought and my cocaine source got busted before I could buy anything.
Howsabout your sex-slave dungeon and poppy farm? I was looking forward to that little "vacation" if you know what I mean.
Farm???
Well with that quantity of seeds you showed me I assumed it was going to be a farm.
The poppy seeds are for the artisanal cupcakes Warty sells from his food truck.
Does his food truck look like this?
Okay, how about "compound"?
It's a commune or it's nothing.
Commune is so... hippie... like patchouli stinking hippie.
Forget it. I'm staying home.
We all commit crimes every day - that's how they make us keep our mouths shut.
Well, not the front door anyway...
...but it seems to me that quietly ignoring the law is the better option.
Or at least not making a big deal out of rights you do have. The recent outlawing of open carry of firearms in California being an example.
Some gun owners demonstrated their right to open carry [unloaded] handguns by meeting at restaurants and such wearing their guns. This made the news some others nervous. So, after the Newton shootings that was right out in the open for the state legislature to attack and they outlawed open carry of even unloaded handguns.
So what did those same gun owners do after that? They said, "We'll show them. We'll just open carry our rifles and shotguns instead". You guessed it. The legislature jumped on that in a minute and outlawed open carry of long guns, too.
Hard to say if they might not have outlawed it, anyway, due to the Newton and Aurora hysteria, but shining a spotlight on themselves and the fact they were legally able to carry unloaded guns didn't help.
Turning into the gd UK
Are you suggesting the short-lived children of Newtown are being expropriated as martyrs of a cause their young minds would have been incapable mostly of understanding? Impossible!
From the Washington Post comments:
Their true colors are shining thru. The one thing the TEAMs can agree on.
I've been noticing more of this. I suppose it's good that these people are realizing we're their real enemies.
So libertarians are the new Jews?
AND DO WE GET OUR OWN ALISON BRIES????
Right to the important questions, that's what I like about you.
The most important question of all.
Star Wars or Star Trek?
Babylon 5
Serenity- bitches.
And if we're the new jews, I vote for a change on the mandatory penis cutting...
How has this not resulted in a CIRCUMCISION THREAD?
This question has nothing to do with Alison Brie, so I shall ignore it.
Beatles or Stones?
Stones
Sabbath.
Star Trek, obviously. Star Wars is for children.
If we're the new jews, does this mean we can't resist when they kick down our doors and drag us away in the middle of the night?
More like those who resisted the collectivization of the farms under Stalin.
Impossible. Libertarians hate Jews. I'm sure I read that somewhere.
What? But they taught us how use the blood of the children of our oppressors to make our daily bread.
Priceless CNN headline is priceless.
"Police search home of pro-gun activist Adam Kokesh " Pro-gun. Not anti war, pro liberty, etc. Pro-gun...
I'm mad, you're mad, we're all mad here...
Pro-gun. Wasn't that a James Clavell novel?
Hai! Anjin-san, what is best in life?
To fuck sweet Asian tail, then have a bath and a nap.
Now *that's* a philosophy to live by.
Isn't he really pro-gun choice, or pro choice though? He wants everyone to have the option of owning a gun, even if they never need to use it.
OFF. SITE. VIDEO. STORAGE.
Magic mushrooms are schedule I?
The active ingredient is.
Hallucinogenic?
My chest is literally bursting with pride.
Or I could be having a heart attack; the symptoms are easily confused.
That's the alien baby.
I guess we'll learn which handle belonged to Kokesh by seeing who doesn't post tonight.
Probably Ken. He needed to blow off steam.
It must really make police piss their satin camis to get all dolled up and prance around for nothing.
Really! When I was in the Marines, we were annoyed when we had to put all that shit on in the middle of a heat wave.
Remember. It is very important that the gun laws in DC are enforced against everyone. Look at harshly they dealt with David Gregory?
Yeah, but they have a few seconds on youtube of Kokesh. It's not like David Gregory was flaunting the law on television or before a large studio production staff.
I will say this about Kokesh. If he really had drugs in his house he is monstrously stupid. Good for him for engaging in civil disobedience. I wish I had the balls to do that. But if you are going to do that, you better be totally clean in every other aspect of your life. If he really did have drugs in his house, he just gave his enemies a way to change the subject and justify his arrest.
There is a reason why the NAACP picked a nice little old lady secretary to get arrested for refusing to ride in the back of the bus and not a 20 year old prostitute.
I think it's interesting that psilocybin was found. Hallucinogens. It is probably a show that libertarians 'see' things that the normal population doesn't. While that is a true statement, I think most of us see the fucked up shit even when we are stone cold sober.
He knew he was going to do this. Why would he not clear all of the drugs out of his house in advance?
The fact that it was psilocybin makes me think it was actually there. That doesn't seem to be the kind of drug cops would plant. They would plant coke or pot or meth or something more common.
Unless, of course, that's what they want you to think.
I'm not willing to discount the possibility of it being a plant just because it wasn't something common. Not necessarily saying it's a plant (I'd put the odds at less than 50/50), but I wouldn't dismiss it just because of what was "found".
I wouldn't be shocked if it was planted either. But if it wasn't. Kokesh is really stupid and screwed his own cause.
Actually, good for him. If you're gonna gun for guns, why not gun for drugs too. There's nothing wrong with God's creations and He created hallucinogenic mushrooms, most likely on the sixth day, knowing that a day of rest was coming up.
I know I do.
Right. A regular joe would plea down at this point but Adam does not recognize the govt so a judge will throw the max 10 years at him for the mushrooms. Assuming a jury convicts.
Good argument against government tyranny there, admitting it exists.
Huffpost super user is the 21st century way of saying "rides the short bus".
That's a rare kind of stupid. Normally, they'd die off by now of starvation but damn food stamps keep them nourished.
The disconnect between HuffPo's scary lead article (Over militarization of police, which quotes Reason btw) and the comments of people praising the military raid is mind boggling.
I try to stay away from HuffPo--even went so far as to block them from Google News--but I had to see what they thought about this raid. Bad idea.
That'll show all these negative-nancys who complain about a tyrannical police-state that their concerns are unfounded. people sitting at home alone should rest easy knowing there are such professional SWAT members in the parks department. With helicopters, no less! also, that people should remember to pee BEFORE they kick in the door. Pee on your own time, criminals!
I suspect there may have been some Tuttle/Buttle mixup involved here anyway. "Alright Mr Koresh, your days of crazy talk are finally over..." "ITS KOKESH!!"...."ahh, close enough. Hippies with guns. Same diff."
He should have eaten them. That would've been one helluva flashbangin SWAT raid!
Those who are victims of government agents, have the right to seek personal consequences against the perpetrators. The moral right, not the legal right. Two different things. Adam Kokesh is perfectly aware, as is anyone who has had their right to Life, Liberty, Property, or the Pursuit of Happiness violated or infringed by government agents, that if someone violates your natural rights, then they forfeit their own. So, if a cop has broken down your door, or a judge has ordered them to do it, then both of those people are fair targets for retribution.
Karma is a bitch. And the agents of the state should be at least smart enough to understand that it should be preferable to conduct themselves in a non-aggressive fashion, than constantly looking over their shoulder for the inevitable retribution.
Strictly in a practical sense, his actions were foolish. There are more prudent and effective ways to modify the law than grandstanding.