Woz believes a certain decline started a few years ago.
"All these things that talk about the Constitution that made us so good as people, they're kind of nothing. They all dissolved with the Patriot Act," he said.
"There's not even a free open court anymore," he added.
He is clearly distraught about what he sees is the erosion of the America he believed in, one whose people had clear rights. Everything, in his eyes, was overturned.
Warming to his theme, he explained: "That's what a king does. A king just goes out, has anyone rounded up, killed, puts them in prison."
He began to compare America to Russia. It was Russia, when Woz was growing up, that followed people around and made them disappear.