Harry Reid's Sorry Excuse for Suddenly Supporting an 'Assault Weapon' Ban

Today Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) reversed his longstanding opposition to a renewed "assault weapon" ban, explaining his new stance this way:
We must strike a better balance between the right to defend ourselves and the right of every child in America to grow up safe from gun violence.
I'll vote for the ban because maintaining the law and order is more important than satisfying conspiracy theorists who believe in black helicopters and false flags. I'll vote for the ban because saving the lives of police officers, young and old, and innocent civilians, young and old, is more important than preventing imagined tyranny.
In short, Reid will vote for an "assault weapon" ban because he has suddenly discovered, to his dismay, that the people who are against it are a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists. He does not explain how prohibiting certain arbitrarily selected, functionally unimportant firearm features serves "the law and order" or saves people's lives, probably because there is no credible reason to think it will do either of those things. In fact, if the choice is between believing in the effectiveness of "assault weapon" bans and believing in "black helicopters and false flags," I'm not sure which is crazier.
Another sample of Reid's logic, this time explaining why he might vote against requiring interstate reciprocity for concealed-carry permits, despite having supported such legislation in the past:
I think we've all learned a lot in recent years, about first graders mowed down, people watching a movie being victims of an attack, a courthouse in Las Vegas.
I am not saying that Reid would necessarily be wrong to vote against this particular amendment, which raises serious federalism issues that need to be considered along with Second Amendment objections to overly restrictive concealed-carry policies. But since concealed-carry policies had nothing to do with the attacks he mentions, his explanation for having second thoughts makes no sense, just as it made no sense when Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) cited the Sandy Hook massacre as a reason to expand background checks for gun buyers.
One more example, from the same New York Times story, of substituting emotion for logic in the case for stricter gun control:
Senate Democrats, trying to simply hold their ranks together behind a background check amendment written by Senators Manchin and Toomey, met for an emotional luncheon on Tuesday. Mr. Manchin gave a tearful, impassioned appeal for his measure as former Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona looked on. Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia, retold in detail the story of the professor at Virginia Tech who threw his body in front of a door to save students during the massacre there in 2007.
"It was really dramatic and convincing," said Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota.
Dramatic, yes. Convincing, no. Since the Virginia Tech gunman bought his pistols from a federally licensed dealer after passing a background check, the lack of a background check requirement for private sales was irrelevant. The story of that heroic professor therefore does not strengthen the argument for Manchin's amendment one iota. The fact that people who think it does are in charge of making our laws is more than a little alarming.
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"We must strike a better balance between the right to defend ourselves and the right of every child in America to grow up safe from gun violence."
Talk about a false choice to be rejected.
There should be a heckler in DC that just holds up placards with names of logical fallacies every time a politician makes one.
"False dilemma" would get used a lot.
You'll need an army of hecklers for that job.
Stimulus!
It even goes beyond false choice. The former is a large component of the latter. It's like saying we must "strike a balance" between eating an appropriate amount of vegetables and maintaining a healthy diet. Not only are these two things not in conflict, one is dependent on the other.
In support of his bill that would ban the sale and transfer of any semi-auto rifle (including rimfire) with a detachable magazine, CA State Senate President Steinberg said yesterday that whether a gun was fully automatic or semi-automatic as "a distinction without a difference."
I wonder if I can use that excuse with the BATFE. And I wonder how idiots like this can be in charge of regulating my life.
And even if it were a real choice between those two rights, one of those is protected explicitly by the constitution and one is not.
More children die from swimming pools than from guns. Why the fuck aren't we banning them?
In some places we are trying to require fences with locked gates around pools, which is close.
But I remember hearing back in 2010 that Reid was one of the good Democrats on gun control so it was no big deal if he was re-elected. Same with Manchin. No Democrat ever under any circumstances is good on gun control.
They just crossed the Rubicon on guns. Reid must have done some kind of calculation to think that losing the NRA and all the gun owners is worth it to him and his party.
I think he's wrong.
But, hey, both teams are equally bad, right?
I'll vote for the ban because saving the lives of police officers, young and old, and innocent civilians, young and old, is more important than preventing imagined tyranny.
Wow, he presents a false dichotomy and manages to be a condescending asshole at the same time with zero self-awareness.
He does not explain how prohibiting certain arbitrarily selected, functionally unimportant firearm features serves "the law and order" or saves people's lives, probably because there is no credible reason to think it will do either of those things.
Wait for it, because fuck you, that's why.
Wow, he presents a false dichotomy and manages to be a condescending asshole at the same time with zero self-awareness.
I think that's politician 101. After all these years Harry Reid has nearly mastered it, esecially the condescending asshole part. Though he's got a long way to go get the same level as the Dear Leader.
5 minutes and there aren't 70 comments of Harry Reid hate? I thought the commentariat was better than that. I'm disappointed in all of you.
Oh yeah, well how about we direct the hate towards you?
Psst, don't do that. He enjoys it.
Shhh, don't tell him that $park?.
*resumes quietly fapping at desk*
Quietly? HA!
What's wrong with quietly?
You must dislike the moment where mild disgust turns in to horror as they realize that not only are you sitting there fapping, but you've been sitting there fapping the whole time you've been talking to them.
(It should be now noted that I am NOT a public fapper, I would prefer not to end up on a list)
I prefer to be loud and rowdy with my fapping. The things I don't get to do while having sex with my wife.
Sparky, that sounds a lil backwards to me. Just sayin'.
Listen, I have no choice but to work by my wife's rules when she allows me to have sex with her.
I'm surprised anybody allows you to have sex with them.
I mean, I thought not even Warty or Steve Smith will touch you.
I thought not even Warty or Steve Smith will touch you.
And you'd better believe that I am thankful for that every. single. day.
Listen, I have no choice but to work by my wife's rules when she allows me to have sex with her.
Your wife had better be smoking hot for you to allow her to pussywhip you like that, or I'm gonna have to repo your Man Secret Decoder Ring.
I fuck my girlfriend when I want, however I want, and she is glad to give that to me. That is how it should be done.
Nah, I get out of pretty much all housework. I only get stuck fixing broken stuff. Plus, I get sex often enough, it's just the "get it over with" type more often than not.
She has a magic pinky she uses on him to keep him in line.
What's left to say about Dingy Harry?
The dude is pretty much everything that's wrong with Washington. There isn't anything else to add at this point.
"What's left to say about Dingy Harry?"
Well, how about "Fuck off, slaver"?
I'm not black helicopter-seeing conspiracy theorist, but I do believe the proper starting place for any citizen in a republic is distrust of government, especially when the government wants to limit individual rights. If that's crazy, then why are we even bothering to nominally follow the Constitution, which is based precisely on that premise?
why are we even bothering to nominally follow the Constitution
They're working on that too.
I do believe the proper starting place for any citizen in a republic is distrust of government
You're not a conspiracy theorist, you're just literally worse than Hitler.
We're such a simple people, nowadays.
You're trying to get on an FBI watch list, aren't you?
If commenting here isn't enough to do that, color me surprised. That goes for the lefties, too, as they're suspicious for reading stuff here.
Harry Reid is shameless.
Will there be a point when people stop saying "democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others?"
Does it matter for folks, like you, who are so obsequious to authority?
*splutter* *choke* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Um, Lm, do you realize that you were addressing a pretty hardcore anarchist? If there is anyone here that is consistently AGAINST authority, it is Dollar-park-Yen.
He says that because I made a comment in the AM Links indicating you should be polite to police officers. Good ole' mikey here thinks you should open fire on them while loudly calling them pigs if the step foot on your property. Or something like that anyway.
No, I think you should be accurate and precise in your posts; put another way, you should strive to never distort what another has posted. You should avoid faux hyperbole.
Did I write that sloopy should open fire on the probation deputy while loudly calling him a pig?
However, you appear to think that because I aver that cops are parasites and moochers, that I am paranoid and a nutjob.
Not exactly logical or rational.
Right, you are the very model of temperance when it comes to interacting with the police. How could I have been so wrong? I guess that's exactly the same as saying:
is being obsequious.
Again, are you reading comprehension challenged?
It would appear that you conflate an accurate description of police officers with paranoia. IOW, if one calls a cop a parasite, one is paranoid.
Do you understand the profound logic fail?
Sparky: telling it like it is means you are paranoid and fueled by rage.
Do you understand the profound logic fail?
You're cute when you're angry.
I don't know you, but, based on all of your posts regarding the police, I suspect that you get a giant, throbbing rage-boner every time you get to unleash a little cop hate. I suspect you also believe that anyone who doesn't automatically think all police officers are psychopathic pigs is some kind of gay cop-sucker and worships authority. It just so happens that I think everyone should be treated politely right up to the moment they hand you a reason not to.
I think Sloop should just lay out some sheets of plywood with nails sticking up where the PO parked the car. Then cover the wood with dirt so he doesn't notice the wood (but the nails still protrude). Then put up a NO PARKING sign, that way, if the PO parks there and blows his tires, Sloop can just ask the PO, "Can't you fucking read?"
Ah, given demographics, don't you think that most cop-suckers would be heteros?
I wholeheartedly agree with the last sentence of your last post, Spark.
Do you think that the probation officer handed sloopy a reason not to be polite?
Do you think that the probation officer handed sloopy a reason not to be polite?
Nope. Seems to me sloopy did things as well as could be expected, though probably a bit more confrontational than I would have. If the guy continues to leave his car parked on sloopy's property then obviously he (the cop) is being an ass about it in which case the matter should be brought up with the PD and not the cop because you know the cop is just going to ignore you.
Ah, given demographics, don't you think that most cop-suckers would be heteros?
Sure, why not. I don't know any so I couldn't say definitively. But that's got nothing to do with how I think you see them. When it comes to being a cop-sucker, does it really matter? You strike me as a thoroughly vile human being in any case.
Don't you think that it is highly unlikely for one to be a "thoroughly vile human being" if one practices the NAP?
Why do I strike you as a thoroughly vile human being?
Don't you think that it is highly unlikely for one to be a "thoroughly vile human being" if one practices the NAP?
Not even a little bit. Your silly NAP is silly.
Why do I strike you as a thoroughly vile human being?
Tone and sentiments of almost all of your comments here. Don't worry, you're not the only commenter here that I think is a vile human being.
Do you think that the NAP, in general, is silly?
Do you think that I misconceive the NAP?
Do you think that the NAP, in general, is silly?
Yes, very.
Do you think that I misconceive the NAP?
I have no idea. My usage of the word 'your' was the general usage denoting anyone who follows it.
Why is the NAP silly?
Does it not stand to reason that one who is a vile human being is more apt to reject the NAP than accept it?
Conceptually, in my view, it is harder to be a vile human being if one:
(1) Does not worship authority
(2) Does not derive one's income through the confiscation of the income of others
(3) Opposes the income tax
(4) Opposes fly-overs at ball games
(5) refuses to thank soldier boys for their service
(6) recognizes that a person is not a hero because the person is a cop or a soldier
Why is the NAP silly?
The short version: It's incomplete, a bit childish, and seems mostly like a weak version of Kantian philosophy.
Does it not stand to reason that one who is a vile human being is more apt to reject the NAP than accept it?
Vileness has no correlation whatsoever to acceptance/rejection of the NAP.
Conceptually, in my view, it is harder to be a vile human being if one: blah, blah blah
Good for you, I'm glad you have something to believe in. The best part is, as an anarchist (mostly) I'm on board with all of your points. In my case the NAP has nothing to do with that. Although for points 5 and 6 I don't go out of my way to make the full weight of my apathy known. I treat all people like people worthy of respect until they give me a reason not to. And when they do, I apply that reason only to that person and not every other person of the same gender/race/occupation.
Yes, in the immortal words of James Patrick Swayze Dalton, "you be nice until its time not to be nice."
How is the NAP childish?
Hey, fuck you, Harry, you fucking spineless piece of shit. Enjoy losing your next election, shithead.
He'll get reelected along with more than 90% of his colleagues.
He won't run again in 2016. He is going to retire to some fat KStreet firm. He knows that. He doesn't give a shit.
Sadly, this.
Yeah, this has got to be Reid's retirement announcement.
"No chance," they all told me.
With any luck, and we never seem to have any these days, this bill will fail by one vote in the Senate and nothing will come out of the House leaving creatures like Bacus and Landrieu to suffer their political deaths in the name of protecting the childrenz.
Never forget, we have a voluntary income tax system in this country.
And going to tax jail is voluntary, too.
"And if we don't want to pay our taxes, why, we're free to spend a weekend with the Pain Monster!"
Nobody saw that coming.
Sure, millions of people have decided they aren't going to pay income tax by not having any income.
Pause the video at 1 minute and 3 seconds. Pure cognitive dissonance.
Gee, what a shock, Harry Reid doesn't know what the word "voluntary" means.
Voters of Nevada, please explain yourselves. C'mon, this terrible person is the best you've got?
Because they couldn't vote for the crazy tea partier. That would have been lunacy. I mean she didn't go to the right schools and said crazy things that right thinking people don't say. Better to re-elect the leader of a political class that is turning the country into a police state while ensuring its financial bankruptcy than elect one of those people.
Keep in mind, if Harry had lost in 2010, we'd have Majority Leader Durbin right now.
And keep in mind, that even if the woman he ran against were conducting exorcisms on the Senate floor, she couldn't have possibly been worse than Reid.
It'd give one a reason to watch C-Span?
I think "Majority Leader Durbin" is the first thing you hear when you wake up in Hell.
I thought it was "Speaker Pelosi" and I have already been through that.
I've never paid much attention to him, but he's wrong on nearly everything, isn't he.
He's sort of insanely terrible, even given the "D from IL" assumptions.
You sure it wouldn't be Majority Leader Schumer?
That would have been an enjoyable power struggle to watch.
Anyone who talks about getting enjoyment out of watching Chuckie Tits is one sick individual.
As with all Congressional battles not involving Paul Ryan and Michelle Bachman, shirts would have to stay on.
If they're going to vote Democrat, at least they can elect a harmless empty suit, like we did with Bob Casey Jr. in PA.
Now Pat Toomey, I'm still trying to figure out what got into his morning Maypo recently.
Toomey is a just a piece of shit who went to Washington and went native.
Huh? He's had tons of pro-ltdgov votes in the Senate since he's been there. You may not like his background check bill but that's mild, mild stuff compared to the good things he's done.
There is nothing mild about this bill. Anyone who supports it forfeits the right to be considering anything but a piece of shit.
What specifically do you oppose in this bill?
I would have hoped you guys wouldn't be as unthinking as the blue hordes that swarm against anything their TEAM tells them they must oppose.
"I would have hoped you guys wouldn't be as unthinking as the blue hordes that swarm against anything their TEAM tells them they must oppose."
Why? The smart money's on what works.
Agreed, feckin McCain!
To be fair, Angle did say some stupid shit and run some stupid ads on immigration. She definitely snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
So what? Can you make any kind of reasonable case that she wouldn't have been better than Reid? I guarantee you she wouldn't be voting for gun control. It was just another case of letting cultural snobbery and letting the perfect be the enemy of some improvement.
An orangutan with Alzheimer's would be better than Reid.
I'm just saying that Angle was a terrible candidate in that she squandered a very winnable race by needlessly pissing off Nevada's most important voting bloc.
Define best. Politics is competition, where best means most fit, and where most fit means only one thing: most able to win. It's no coincidence, therefore, that the higher up you go, the more corruption and avarice you will find. That is not a failure of the system; it is its nature.
"I'll vote for it, because I'm an exxxcellent Senator."
That spurting sound you hear is all the Senate Democrats who were elected in 2008 in red states shitting their pants.
Dingy Harry isn't up again until 2016, and NV is getting bluer and bluer thx to Reason's border hopping friends.
thx to Reason's border hopping friends.
You should try to be more specific in your snark, because I totally took this to refer to Californians.
That is how I read it too.
I think it makes more sense with Californians. Have you seen Nevada's economy? Mexicans won't go there. There are no jobs.
Have you ever been to Vegas? You can't take two steps without some Mexican pushing a flier into your hands.
Wait, he wasn't talking about enormous crybabies? Oh, wait, my bad, he is an enormous crybaby. I always fuck that up.
I'm not necessarily saying Harry Reid would fuck a pig if you put some lipstick on it, and a tied a ribbon to its tail. But I wouldn't stand between Harry and that pig, if I were you.
"It was really dramatic and convincing," said Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, a woman more easily hypnotized than any random free range chicken.
"Look into the eyes of a chicken, and you will see real stupidity. It is a kind of bottomless stupidity, a fiendish stupidity. They are the most horrifying, cannibalistic and nightmarish creatures in the world."
Why is it that a Youtube search for "Herzog chicken" turns up basically everything *but* the right video?
Herzog chicken is transcendent.
She does have a bit of the the 'turkey staring up at a rainstorm, beak open and then drowning' about her, yes?
So how'd they get him on board? One of the committee chairs offer him one of those Senate pages to meet him in his hotel room at midnight?
He has become an 'evilmonger'.
Nah, I have it on good authority that Harry prefers his sexual d'alliances to me more... woolly *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* and to take place in the alleyway behind the Senate office building.
The old "black helicopter" smear is coming back again, I see. That's good. Maybe, if we're lucky, Obama will start to murder his former cronies and smuggle drugs into a mysterious airport in Arkansas, and this worthless decade will be as fun as the 90s.
I don't get it. What's paranoid about black helicopter talk? I see black helicopters all the time. Every time Obama comes to town.
RACIST
I see 'em all the time (and blue ones and even orangey-red ones) because they all seem to use Cameron Run and/or the Beltway as a navigational aid on their training runs.
Guess that means we can expect the government to start murdering anti-government wacko birds again too.
Yeah, exactly. What this country needs is more government massacres. The government has completely abandoned its social contract-mandated massacre duty, and unlicensed private massacrers are doing all the massacres and botching them horribly. It's a disgraceful situation.
I think somebody better order all the helicopters be painted first.
At least the 90s had the X-Files.
The truth is not out there.
We've got Fringe.
Face it. Anna Torv is waaaay hotter than Gillian Anderson.
I'd need to see them naked together, maybe with some making out and petting, to be sure.
Soul Asylum & gt ; Fringe
Hey $parky - the Ke$ha creature stopped eating cheeseburgers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....ation.html
Excellent, now she'll be even hotter. She must have gotten all those messages you sent her.
Um, er, uh.... hotter?
Doesn't she have to be "hot" before she can be "hotter?"
Does not compute.
Kesha looks and sounds like the girl who won second place at the karaoke competition over at the local rec center.
Well she had to do something when Britney went crazy and she couldn't write songs anymore.
Sing it with now, you all know the words:
"Feeeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeeeelings"
Black helicopters are so '90s. Grey drones are where it's at nowadays.
Black drones on a night flight
Won't you fill up the tank let's go for a ride
I'd sure like to feel some pride
But this place just makes me feel sad inside.
You listen to Soul Asylum?
Haaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!
Waiiiiiit a minute. How would you know that? ...Unless...GASP
A Palate Cleanser
WTF is that noise?
WTF is that noise?
It's the sound of your musical ignorance played back at 2.3X normal speed.
Feast on my musical ignorance.
danke
I did say '90s. It's a perfect mashup.
So enjoying having a dick in your ass is OK but liking the wrong kind of music is grounds for mockery. Typical.
I bet you like the Goo Goo Dolls.
Haaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha!
If consenting adults listen to Boyz II Men behind closed doors, it is their business alone. When did this become unlibertarian?
What's unlibertarian about mocking you for having terrible taste in music? It's not like I want to ban it.
Did you move to Virginia yet or is your handle prospective?
I have a place in VA already, just need to finish my doodies for this semester. Then I start raking in the bucks I deserve.
You found someplace that will pay you 75 cents a day to play with yourself? Impressive.
No, no, no. He meant he's going to get banged by a shitload of gay black dudes. You know, bucks.
Gay for pay is still pretty gay.
But he doesn't enjoy it.
I have a place in VA already, just need to finish my doodies for this semester. Then I start raking in the bucks I deserve.
No, you start raking in the bucks I deserve.
Well according to Reuters about 20 minutes ago the senate doesn't even have the votes for the Toomey-Manchin bill. I have no idea what Reid is doing. Symbolic gesture? Who the hell knows?
Well according to Reuters about 20 minutes ago the senate doesn't even have the votes for the Toomey-Manchin bill. I have no idea what Reid is doing. Symbolic gesture? Who the hell knows?
Roll that beautiful bean footage!
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In fact, if the choice is between believing in the effectiveness of "assault weapon" bans and believing in "black helicopters and false flags," I'm not sure which is crazier.
Given that Connecticut had an AWB in effect, and it was completely ineffective in protecting the people at Sandy Hook, I'd vote for the AWB as crazier.
But since concealed-carry policies had nothing to do with the attacks he mentions,
Uh. Three out of the three attacks took place in a venue where concealed carry is prohibited. It's not the relevance Reid wants, but it is there.