3D Meat Printing Company CEO Refuses to Print Human Flesh, Is Otherwise Awesome

Andras Forgacs is the CEO of Modern Meadow, a company that is working on 3D printing meat. Modern Meadow is funded, in part, by PayPal founder and libertarian pet projects funder Peter Thiel.
Forgacs popped up on Reddit today to answer questions. He describes his venture as having "a certain transhumanist element," and says it "is as much about minimizing animal suffering as it is about mitigating the environmental impacts." His previous company was Organovo, which was developing 3D printed human organs for transplant. He says: "We figured, if we can make medical grade tissues then we can also make muscle for meat and hide for leather."
Some highlights from his AMA:
Q: How do you expect pricing to develop? Looking for an answer like: First production: limited distribution, $100/kg First large grocery chain adoption: $40/kg Replaced all animal-meat in the world: $0.01/kg
A: On pricing, I can't give you too much detail since we still don't fully know the answers. Currently, we are only making a couple ounces at a time so price is meaningless at such a small scale. We anticipate getting to limited production at something around $100/lb but hopefully less. By the time this scales to grocery stores, it should be more affordable at $30/lb or less. These are just rough figures since a lot will change as our approach evolves.
And this honest answer:
Q: Does it taste the same as regular meat?
A: I've tasted it as have my colleagues. We've only been able to have small bites since we're still working on getting the process right.
I cooked some pieces in olive oil and ate some with and without salt and pepper. Not bad. The taste is good but not yet fully like meat. We have yet to get the fat content right and other elements that influence taste. This process will be iterative and involve us working closely with our consulting chefs.
There is this sad news, though:
As we achieve the right proof of concept with beef, we may branch out to other types of high value and environmentally taxing meats as well such as pork, blue-fin tuna, etc.
Human meat is not on the menu. Sorry.
Skip to the 5:30 mark in this video to see Andras' dad and co-founder eat a small sample of the company's product:
Also highly relevant, today's Reason TV video: It's Hard to Gross Out a Libertarian: Jonathan Haidt on How Our Tolerance for Disgust Determines Our Politics
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Human meat is not on the menu. Sorry.
For now...
What about monkey?
"Oh, oh, oh! What about, uh, monkey? Monkeys are, like, nature's humans."
Hey. We got monkey.
That's how you become a cannibal, Warty. Look, you get one taste of delicious, delicious human meat, none of this stuff ever satisfies you ever again for the rest of your life.
People say we monkey around.
Thats "minkey"
Dance, monkey boy, dance.
"I'll have one of your young on a roll."
"We're outta rolls."
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!
Phew. Saved me the trouble.
"How is it?"
"Eh, it varies from person to person."
He can either print human flesh or lose the opportunity to more open-minded competitors. Discrimination against cannibals is a sad reality, even in the 21st century.
I actually got a little nauseated typing that.
I actually got a little hungry reading that.
I think I'm going to throw up.
Save some for me!
Clearly you lack what it takes to be one of NY's finest.
Honestly? I'd try it.
Though I guess it depends which part of the human body. Still, one bite never hurt anybody.
You have disgust! You not libertarian!
Gary Johnson 2016: We call it... "The Aristocrats"
His previous company was Organovo, which was developing 3D printed human organs for transplant.
So, yes, he can and will produce human(ish) flesh. He just won't sell it for eatin', is all.
What's the feedstock for his printers?
"What's the feedstock for his printers?"
That was my question.
They take animal cells of whatever animal they will be printing, divide them up by type, and then reproduce them in growth culture vats.
That is the medium, not the feedstock. They have to provide glucose from something to grow the culture.
They. Are Not. For Eating.
Okay, someone will have to explain this to me... but how exactly do you print meat? What material are they using to print this meat? He mentions getting fat content right. Are they using animal products/byproducts to produce these substances.
and my next question would be, "is 3D printed 'pork' kosher?"
Kosher so dumb. It's not like Jesus said don't eat pork.
Pro Libertate| 2.26.13 @ 4:06PM |#
Kosher so dumb. It's not like Jesus said don't eat pork.
Pro, that is some classy work right there.
(Old testament Yahweh grumbles and shakes his fist... "you kids have no respect!!")
Even as a kid in Sunday School, I was thinking to myself, "What's with all of the Old Testament crap? Jesus, sure, he's nice, but I dunno about the other stuff."
And stay out of my burning bushes!
your doctor should prescribe a topical cream for that.
Mary Magdalene said that?
Except a Jewish person doesn't follow the New Testament. So game on! Or off, in this case.
Jesus was Jewish.
Half Jewish. His mother was, but his dad?
Black. Duh.
Jesus didn't say don't fuck sheep either.
It's a good question. Printed pork never had cloven hooves nor are you touching a carcass.
You're using regular logic, not Jewish logic. For instance, I can't have a cheeseburger, even if the cheese is goat cheese. Which isn't in the original rules.
"Thou shalt not boil a kid in his mother's milk."
Kid is a young goat. It's the cow's milk cheeseburger that is the expansion. And the fact you aren't boiling anything in milk when you put a slice of cheese on something.
No, you're right, but my point was that there's little risk of the mom's milk being used with her offspring's flesh when different species are involved, which is what's supposed to be the problem. Not, incidentally, killing the mother and child in the first place.
Meh. It was all just a rather childish way to thumb their nose at the Babylonians anyway. It's like if you hated Canadians so much you banned the eating of poutine for 3,000 years.
That seems rather extreme. And if they're going down that road, then shouldn't they be full of Persian love? Hey, Cyrus, thanks!
The restrictions on pork were mostly because you can't herd pigs, and shellfish because you can't catch them out of rivers. Having a taste for either meant trade with cityfolk or the hated enemies that held the coat.
I admire Jews in their ability to hold grudges for so long.
"held the coast"
You win again, lack of preview!
Hold grudges but not hold gratitudes. I think they should be sending money to the Iranians.
I'd always heard this was a health issue. Consider the things you can get from a pig if you don't cook it properly.
What you can get from improperly cooked beef or chicken or some freshwater fish is just as bad.
For most of history, they were. Cyrus is considered a "righteous Gentile".
Dairy cows and meat cows come from different breeds anyway. Still, the prohibition is a rabbinical interpretation.
This prohibition is not followed by Karaite Jews, however. They will eat meat and dairy together.
Karate Jews? How have I never heard of this before?!?!
Don't fuck with the Karate Jews.
oy vey, noy vey.
Surely you've seen this
And yes, that is a real dude who does real "Jewish" martial arts.
Anyway, Karaite Jews
And you can't put cheese on a chicken, either. the prohibition is mixing meat and dairy.
fish does not count as meat, though. So lox and bagels with cream cheese is kosher!
Technically, the original rules in the Torah (uttered three times) is "do not boil a kid in its mother's milk." Does not say "don't eat meat and dairy together." It was interpreted that way.
Well, it's a stupid interpretation, because cheeseburgers are a human right.
Were there any dissenting opinions involved in that ruling?
I'll bet it was that fucker Roberts.
Cheeseburgers are a tax.
Dammit! You beat me to it.
Well, Karaite Jews, which I mentioned above, do not follow rabbinical interpretations. They will eat dairy and meat together.
But as far as the dairy-meat prohibition, it is pretty ancient. It is doubtful the early Israelites had the prohibition in place, but it probably started sometime after Babylonian captivity.
I have not read of any disagreements within rabbinical texts of this, but I am not a halachic scholar.
The prohibition has a very spiritual meaning. Milk represents life. It is used by the mother to give life to her offspring. Meat represents death, because an animal must give up its life for its meat to be consumed. Using milk (life) to destroy a mother's offspring is the height of perversion. It is extremely cruel and wicked.
Boiling a young animal in its mother's milk might have been a practice amongst the Israelite's neighbors.
If you get a rabbi to bless the printer, you'll have an endless supply of kosher meat.
Technically, nothing is being slaughtered.
Good taste might be.
Is it April already?
I'd eat printed human meat. What's the problem? No was was hurt or killed to produce it. Printed human meat is more moral than killing an animal to eat its flesh. Maybe even more moral than ripping a poor carrot out of the ground.
Bring it on. No wop, though. Too greasy.
Fortunately, the world's standard of taste isn't set to "SugarFree."
You wouldn't try it? Really? The "long pork" thing is not really true, modern cannibals say it's more like veal or other mild cuts of beef.
Yes, really. See, when I watched Soylent Green, I was appalled at the revelation at the end.
*shrugs*
I'm with SugarFree. I'd try it.
This is the real reason people reject libertarianism. Because its proponents are gross.
No. Blue Cheese is gross.
Blue Cheese is gross.
This x 1000
You'd eat human meat but don't eat blue cheese? Philistine!
(For the record I will eat anything and would try printed human meat in a heartbeat.)
printed human meat in a heartbeat
I see what you did there.
I want to know about varieties, though. And if eating XY printed meat means I'm gay.
Correction: I will not eat deep dish pizza. The irony is that ProL will, but won't even consider trying the undoubtedly vastly superior human meat. Not that I've tried it or anything.
(looks around furtively)
Not that you have been convicted of it, is how you should say it.
I'm not a fan of cheese in general, but blue cheese is like everything I hate about the smell of moldy dampness rolled into one crumbly mess.
It's just that we don't have the same disgust reactions as other people. Didn't you read the Haidt thread?
That's why you fictional libertarian women would be the best.
The best for what?
To eat or be eaten?
I have a use for a woman with no disgust.
Think...dirtier, HM.
With pleasure.
Why? Why did I click on that?
Because you didn't read the URL first? I am not clicking on that.
I clicked. Yes I did, I did just that.
Why are there Mickey Mouse dolls leaned up against the wall?
That would take another click. No I did not, I just did not.
Soylent Green
No one is killing Edward G. Robinson in this scenario.
There are two issues: (1) killing people and (2) eating people. In this scenario, you can do the latter without the moral qualms per se, but it still generates a visceral reaction in most people. Of course, I don't fully classify you as Homo sapiens sapiens, anyway, so there is that.
Dude, it's all just meat from a printer anyway. Does it really matter what cellular structures were loaded into the printer at the beginning?
Yes?
To address the second issue, in this situation, you're not eating a "person". A vat grown slab of human flesh doesn't meet any of the qualifications of personhood. It's just proteins and human DNA. Consumption of human flesh grown in vitro is on the same level as consuming another's blood or semen.
Blah, blah, blah, not doing it.
The creep factor is similar to considering a sex toy made to simulate a child. While no one is harmed in its production, the mind recoils from the concept because of the moral implication.
SF, I have the perfect meal for you: Printed human flesh cloned from. . .you.
What could be better than consuming oneself? It's Erysichthon brought to life! Sort of.
I want to have a beer mug made from a 3D MRI of my own skull. That would kick ass.
SF, I have the perfect meal for you: Printed human flesh cloned from. . .you.
If you eat infected meat, you're liable to get infected. Would you eat a hamburger that came from a mad cow?
How would it be infected?
How would it be infected?
Uh, the diabeetus. No way I would eat meat from a diabeetus infected animal. Now, I probably wouldn't eat meat made of me either due to some neurological issues. I probably would eat my wife though.
I can't tell if you are being facetious (Asperger's and all), but just in case you are not; diabetes is not contagious.
The perfect meal.
Could Epi's Mom print herself a new vagina? The old one is rather...old.
I saw something in there about leather, so I would say yes.
We all certainly hope so. Especially me.
Um, can someone please esplain how this works? How does one "print" meat?
Grab a 3D printer, load it up with bags of "pink slime" instead of plastic, print away.
So where does the pink slime come from?
Seems like we are adding an extra step here.
If it were me, I'd be purchasing it from the processing plants that sell it to McDonald's and such, at least until the process was perfected. I suspect these people are using lab grown tissue.
Here's an article about his other company:
http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/.....-tissue-0/
They print living cells in the shape that they want, basically. Hence his other company's ability to print organs. Print heart cells in the shape of a heart, you get a heart! Cells can be grown from already-existing lines, so my guess is that the cells' connection to living mammals is far removed at this point. They aren't animals any more than HeLa is Henrietta Lacks.
Now, there MAY be more to it than that, but if there is you can just wave your hand and grumble about technobabble.
If you're not sure about one of the details of the process, chances are a wizard did it.
Parts is Parts
I have no problem with eating human flesh as long as nobody's rights are violated. However, I have smelled cooked and/or burnt human flesh, and it does not smell at all appetizing. Especially electrocautery. That smell just kind of hangs out in your nose for a couple hours after you leave the OR.
Sprinkle it with rosemary and oregano and it'll be fine.
The omnivorous culinary future of Transmetropolitan is almost upon us.
Does anybody else see this as a first baby step towards a post-scarcity society? As with every technology, this will only become more refined, and likely more affordable as it progresses. If a way could be devised to produce feedstock from waste, then this could eventually lead to ST:TNGesque replicator technology, couldn't it?
Yes. The cool thing is also, if we could easily feed the "problem areas" regarding nutrition (Africa, East Asia, India) think of how much more productive those billions of brains could be. Right now, those people are barely making it calorically, and they spend a large part of the day just trying to scavenge food. It keeps them from utilizing their natural creativity and intelligence. With this technology, they could feed themselves easily. It could instantly add 2 billion brains to the pool of engineers, physicists, medical doctors, artists, writers, etc. It really could be the turning point toward a post-scarcity society.
Fabricators and some fusion, and we're on the way. Too bad we've decided to go completely statist and slow the technological advance.
The alt text for the baby in the cow costume should be, "Tastes like veal"
This has to be a joke.
I know something about how 3D printing works, and it involves tubes of plastic. Tiny thin tubes of melted plastic, layered on top of itself.
How the hell do you print MEAT? Where are you going to get the texture, the grain, the fucking blood? How do you make it stick together without connective tissue?
How do they print skin? I imagine it's the same principles and methods at work. As they mention, they don't have all the details worked out, though I doubt they're going to print the meat with blood.
"There is this sad news, though:
Human meat is not on the menu. Sorry."
KM-W's significant other would be well advised to sleep with one eye open, methinks.
I would imagine Neanderthal meat tastes similar to human meat. Can we have that?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...?
I'm fine with no Human meat. But I'll be damn angry if he won't deliver choice cuts of whale, gorilla, bald eagle, and pinta island tortoise.