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Politics

Gun Expert Joe Biden Advises His Wife To Illegally Discharge a Shotgun

J.D. Tuccille | 2.21.2013 11:46 AM

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Joe Biden is the Obama administration's point man on the firearms issue. Back in December, he took charge of a task force given the responsibility of finding excuses for violating Americans' self-defense rights coming up with legislative solutions to address gun violence in the United States. So, how much of a firearms expert is Joe? And how well does this member of the Delaware Bar know the gun laws of his home state? Not so much, it turns out. At least, he's publicly dispensing advice that would leave people disarmed in dangerous situations, and could get them thrown in jail.

In a Facebook gathering hosted by Parents magazine, Vice President Biden was asked about self defense for women, and whether his proposed restrictions wouldn't leave them disarmed. He responded:

Get a double-barreled shotgun. Have the shells in the 12 gauge shotgun. And I promise you…as I told my wife…we live in an area that's in the woods and somewhat secluded. I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house. I promise you whoever is coming in is not going to…You don't need an AR-15. It's harder to aim, it's harder to use and in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun.

The problem, U.S. News & World reports, is that his advised shotgun technique is illegal in the state of Delaware. As Steven Nelson writes for that magazine:

A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.

The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. "On your property you can't just shoot someone," he said. "You have to really feel that your life is being threatened."

Defense attorney John Garey—a former Delaware deputy attorney general—agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband's advice.

"In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force," Garey said. "There's nothing based on his scenario alone" indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.

Garey said that under Biden's scenario, Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree.

"You cannot use deadly force to protect property" in Delaware, added Garey.

"It is not uncommon" for people to be charged with crimes under similar circumstances, he said. "I've seen cases where lawful citizens have used guns outside their homes and they end up arrested."

Note, also, that our hypothetical frightened Jill Biden (that's her, pictured above) has just fired two loads of shot in the air, where gravity will soon take control and bring them back down to Earth — potentially on somebody's head. And, since hypothetical frightened Jill Biden has just fired two shells into the air from a double-barreled shotgun, she is now disarmed, and has to reload before she can defend herself.

Whoopsies.

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  1. gaijin   12 years ago

    Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree

    "Could". What are the chances that a member of the political class, at the highest level, would ever be charged with something the rest of us would surely be thrown in jail for.

    1. Randian   12 years ago

      Let's ask David Gregory.

      1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

        Was that a clip or a magazine?

        1. Professional Target   12 years ago

          Magazine. Clips are used to load certain kinds of magazines.

      2. Rich   12 years ago

        Or Dianne Feinstein.

      3. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

        Speaking - he made more of an ass of himself when he said he agreed with red light cameras, but disagreed with speed cameras and all but admitted it was because he tends not to run red lights, but drives over the speed limit with regularity.

        The liberal mindset in a microcosm.

        1. Randian   12 years ago

          Oh man, when was this? I would like to see that clip.

          1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

            On the Today Show this week - I'll see if I can dig it up. But it was just in a chit-chat segment before Al Roker, so I doubt it will make it onto their clip reel.

            1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              Ah ha!! http://www.today.com/video/today/50854664#50854664 - very end of the clip

              1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                I should add that they continued with the palaver for another few seconds with Al Roker where it is much clearer what Gregory is getting at.

    2. Alan   12 years ago

      Exactly what I was thinking. Biden doesn't need to know the law because he and his family are above the law.

    3. Sam Grove   12 years ago

      Also, she could hit a secret service agent.

  2. Mike M.   12 years ago

    The greatest life insurance policy a sitting president ever had.

    1. Rich   12 years ago

      "God love ya!"

  3. wwhorton   12 years ago

    "Note, also, that our hypothetical frightened Jill Biden has just unleaded two loads of shot in the air, where gravity will soon take control and bring them back down to Earth ? potentially on somebody's head. And, since hypothetical frightened Jill Biden has just fired two shells into the air from a double-barreled shotgun, she is now disarmed, and has to reload before she can defend herself."

    Oh, not to worry. The Bidens don't live anywhere near the hoi polloi, so she can go ahead and discharge whatever she'd like off their second-floor balcony (which I believe is like a porch, but for rich people). It's not like anyone's close enough to hear the shot. Worst-case scenario it might land on the help, but, in this economy, you can always find people to replace them.

    And, hey, if she's really in danger the drones will take care of it.

    1. Professional Target   12 years ago

      A school neighbors his property. Another house is a hundred feet away.

      No imminent danger.
      Discharging a firearm near a home.
      Discharging a firearm near a school.
      Discharging a firearm near a public road.
      Felony public endangering.
      Felony menacing.

      What an incredible jackass.

    2. Alan   12 years ago

      Hey, in fairness - a shotgun is very deadly at close range, but not so deadly at medium range or beyond - unless it's firing a slug.

  4. John   12 years ago

    Biden may have the most attractive wife someone with an IQ below 90 ever had.

    1. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Google Mrs Kucinich.

      1. John   12 years ago

        I think Kucinich might come at at a solid 91 or 92. He is a Warner Heisenberg compared to Biden.

        1. stoneymonster   12 years ago

          *Werner

          1. LTC(ret) John   12 years ago

            Danke!

            /von Braun auf

      2. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

        Too bad that men's platform shoes went out of style.

    2. Randian   12 years ago

      I dunno, hockey players seem to somehow pull down attractive mates.

      1. John   12 years ago

        You have to have better than Biden level intelligence to play in the NHL. Not much, but some.

        1. Eduard van Haalen   12 years ago

          Environmentalists like Biden are less intelligent about hockey sticks than players.

    3. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

      She would look pretty hot holding an AR-15 with all the trimmings.

      1. John   12 years ago

        I am sure some of it is makeup and a good photographer, but for an over 50 mom, she is very hot.

        1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

          Any woman would be lucky to look like that at her age. Too bad she's such a maroon.

          1. John   12 years ago

            She snagged a rich buffoon and a comfy life. She might not be as big of a maroon as she seems.

            1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              It's not that, it's her illogical and violent liberal ideology.

              1. John   12 years ago

                Maybe she just spouts that to snag her rich buffoon and keep him happy. Yeah, I know she is probably a maroon.

          2. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

            She very attractive, but she's got lifeless eyes. Like a doll's eyes.

            1. Jordan   12 years ago

              Not bad at all. But she needs to either adjust her posture or pull her skirt down below her tits.

              1. John   12 years ago

                She is just short waisted.

            2. T   12 years ago

              Welcome to the upper middle class burbs. You'd be surprised how many of those dead-eyed women are out there. The wife and I often make jokes about the Stepfords in our neighborhood. It's one of the many, many reasons why we're moving back into the city.

              1. John   12 years ago

                Maybe I just don't mind dead eyes. But I think her eyes look fine. Perhaps I should have married a Stepford.

            3. Loki   12 years ago

              She very attractive, but she's got lifeless eyes

              Well she has been married to Joe Biden for many years...

            4. Monty Crisco   12 years ago

              "She very attractive, but she's got lifeless eyes. Like a doll's eyes."

              You know the way they roll over white when she comes into bite you...No, I'll never wear a lifejacket with a MILF like that...

        2. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

          I'd hit it.

          1. John   12 years ago

            The knowledge that she was cuckolding Biden would make it especially pleasurable.

      2. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

        I'll be in my bunk...

    4. MP   12 years ago

      just fired two loads of shot

    5. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

      Nice to see that not even senior citizen females are immune to the inevitable discussion of their sexability when Reason posts their picture.

      1. geekster   12 years ago

        Old broads need love too.

      2. MP   12 years ago

        Can a man look a a woman, any woman, and not immediately calculate here fuckability score?

        1. John   12 years ago

          If that woman is not his mother or sister, no.

        2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

          I don't know. But he can refrain from discussing it.

          1. John   12 years ago

            Sure. But why would he?

            1. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

              Civilization?

              1. RFID   12 years ago

                And what is the price we pay for civilization?

              2. Agammamon   12 years ago

                Hey you signed the social contract, you don't get to complain.

            2. sloopyinca   12 years ago

              Maybe Tulpy-poo and Ken Schultz are doing a Vulcan mind meld?

              1. Randian   12 years ago

                I'm going to third that the locker-room mentality needs to be tamped down a bit.

                1. Virginian   12 years ago

                  Take the red pill buddy. Besides, as far as I'm aware all the female regulars are taken. Banjos is guarded by vicious ducks who have subdued even the supposed paterfamilias.

                  And nicole is in Chicago. I swore a blood oath I would only enter Chicago as the head of the army of liberation.

                  So yeah, back to matter at hand...hmmm yeah she's not bad looking for an older lady. It would be a good thing to see if I were courting Biden's daughter. If he has one.

                  1. John   12 years ago

                    I am pretty sure Kristen has some biker b/f.

                    1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                      Biker and ex-punk, yes indeedy.

                      I'll be in my bunk - and not alone!

                    2. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

                      You're never "ex-punk". Punk lives inside you, forever!

                  2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                    Besides, as far as I'm aware all the female regulars are taken.

                    Mary hooked up with someone?

                    1. Harvard   12 years ago

                      A biker gang down at Billy's. Nobody told you?

                2. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

                  First Amendment. That should especially aply here. Except for the asshole that posts about single moms making money from home. He's probably some Ted Bundy or Hannibal Lector type.

      3. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

        We're not all young whippersnappers like you.

      4. Randian   12 years ago

        Would we call 61 "senior"?

        1. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

          I believe 55 is the currently established age for seniority.

          1. Randian   12 years ago

            See, I thought it was 65.

            1. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

              It probably should be moved there, but AARP membership and senior discounts at most places is 55, last time I saw one.

      5. Loki   12 years ago

        This is why there are no female libertarians.

    6. Paul.   12 years ago

      My experience has been the lower the IQ of the man, the hotter the wife.

      1. Paul.   12 years ago

        For example, my first wife was considered pretty hot. I'm much wiser and smarter now. Couldn't get laid if I were running through a $5 whorehouse waving a $10 bill.

        1. Loki   12 years ago

          What about in a women's prison with a stack of pardons?

    7. DenverJay   12 years ago

      What, you never saw Forest Gump's wife?

  5. Bardas Phocas   12 years ago

    She doesn't listen to him anyway.

  6. fish   12 years ago

    Didn't "Crazy Old Uncle Joe" also tell people to buy the double barreled shotgun and operate the pump action in one of his earlier firearms training sessions?

    1. Rich   12 years ago

      That's how he does it when skeet shooting with the President.

      1. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

        That's why they should only let Dick Cheney go skeet shooting with the president.

        1. darius404   12 years ago

          I heartily endorse this proposal!

  7. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

    You don't to know anything about an issue to be the government front man on it. In fact, since the gun grabbers goals and arguments do not jive with one another, the less you know the better.

    1. Rich   12 years ago

      Barrel-shrouded in secrecy!

      1. Paul.   12 years ago

        Threadwinner.

  8. Ken Shultz   12 years ago

    "And, since hypothetical frightened Jill Biden has just fired two shells into the air from a double-barreled shotgun, she is now disarmed, and has to reload before she can defend herself."

    I'd guess Mumbly Joe thinks libertarianism is a failure of the imagination.

    Why can't we all just fall in love with the imaginary world Biden and Obama are trying to build in people hearts?

    It's a world where unicorns fart shotgun shells straight up into the air!

    1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

      As a cunty libertarian woman, I hate to say this - but that's a damn fine turn of phrase, there, Lou.

      It's a world where unicorns fart shotgun shells straight up into the air!

      1. Jordan   12 years ago

        As a cunty libertarian woman

        Oh you!

        1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

          I just enjoy needling our overly-sensitive friend

    2. neoteny   12 years ago

      Why can't we all just fall in love with the imaginary world Biden and Obama are trying to build in people hearts Big Brother?

    3. T   12 years ago

      What farts .308 and 5.56? Because whatever it is, I need to get me one of those and feed it beans.

    4. Loki   12 years ago

      It's a world where unicorns fart shotgun shells straight up into the air!

      And the pellets turn to fairy dust on the way back down that will make all of your wildest dreams come true if you only believe hard enough.

      1. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

        Cocaine?

  9. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

    To make matters even worse, Biden's house is inside a Gun Free School Zone (defined as 1000 feet from school property, and the baseball diamond edges are 90 feet), so discharge is prohibited under federal law too.

    1. BakedPenguin   12 years ago

      Unless it happens to come from the gun of a secret service guy pissed because his South American hooker raised her prices again.

      FYTW

    2. Zeb   12 years ago

      In that case, I kind of hope she does use the gun there. Would probably be a good case to challenge that stupid law on. It would put the courts in the awkward position of having to decide whether to favor the wife of the VP or some stupid idiotic "for the children" law.

      1. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

        It would put the courts in the awkward position of having to decide whether to favor the wife of the VP or some stupid idiotic "for the children" law.

        Unless the DOJ declines to prosecute.

    3. Paul.   12 years ago

      so discharge is prohibited under federal law too.

      Wouldn't ownership be prohibited as well?

      1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

        Mind your tongue, peasant. We're talking about the Vice-President's wife here. Questioning her is unAmerican and possibly racist since her husband is second in line behind a (half) black President.

      2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

        You can possess in a GFSZ (outside the school property itself) as long as you're on private property and/or have a license to carry from the state you're in.

  10. Rich   12 years ago

    Quit picking on the Vice President. He knows that Americans will check federal, state, and local laws before applying his advice willy-nilly.

    1. Bones   12 years ago

      That's what the agent said to me when I volunteered to not pay my federal income taxes. Like all men named Joe, he's a fucking idiot.

      1. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

        Blow me

      2. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

        I resemble that remark.

  11. John   12 years ago

    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news.....47711.html

    There can be no ridicule of dear leader.

    1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

      Or they just know who their customers are.

      1. John   12 years ago

        That is the point. With those people there can be no ridiculing of Dear Leader.

        1. Rich   12 years ago

          "Even if he's not the president, you're going to have an African-American promoting the sale of chicken? They can do better than that."

          Right. Have Asian reporter Pei-Sze Cheng promote it.

          1. In Time Of War   12 years ago

            Interesting. So all African-American actors and actresses are banned from making chicken commercials?
            Sounds...racist.

            1. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

              Taken to its logical conclusion, KFC and Popeye's should ban black people from entering.

            2. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

              Check out Nando's Chicken commercials, especially Last Dictator Standing. The Muslim guy waiting for the sun to go down is pretty good, too. Probably blasphemy in Pakistan (but what isn't).

        2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

          It gives me much pleasure that the 4$ from their customers goes to feed and house their libertarian CEO and non-union workers.

          1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

            Should just be $$, not 4$

        3. fish   12 years ago

          I love the expression on "Dear Leaders" face though!

          "I pity the fool who won't eat "Whole Foods" high quality chicken!

          1. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

            Costco's is better. And cheaper.

    2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

      The sign outside the supermarket on Manhattan's Upper West Side, featuring an apparent caricature of Obama advertising an upcoming sale on whole organic chickens, outraged neighbor Woody Henderson.

      "There are certain things that have been used to put down black people ? watermelon, fried chicken," he said.

      Watermelon? So I guess Gallagher and hickok45 are seething racists as well.

      1. John   12 years ago

        Gallagher isn't racist. He an insult to the entire human race, all races included.

        1. robc   12 years ago

          Which Gallagher?

          1. mr simple   12 years ago

            The black one. Is there any other?

            1. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

              Fuck you. I'm Irish.

      2. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

        Why is this a putdown? Good fried chicken and watermelon are wonderful things.

        1. BakedPenguin   12 years ago

          Exactly. I never understood why liking them was supposed to be derogatory.

          1. fish   12 years ago

            Wasn't that the Little Rascals" protocol?

            Buckwheat could never go into the other kids homes to eat because, "His pappy brought home a chicken"!

        2. Eduard van Haalen   12 years ago

          I've wondered about that. Many white people (like myself) like both of these delicacies. How did they come to be associated with a particular race? Just goes to show the irrationality of racism.

          1. Tonio   12 years ago

            Or the irrationality of projecting racism where none actually exists.

          2. Alan   12 years ago

            Don't know about chicken and watermelon so much, but "soul food" is just "Southern food", for the most part.

            White southerners eat most of the same stuff, but it got associated with black people.

            That said, I know some black guys who love them some chicken.... There's a grain of truth to the stereotype.

            1. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

              My black buddy's mother always cooked soul food. Great stuff. She knew I was a starving college student and always gave my buddy food for me.

        3. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

          Speaking of - anyone have a paleo/Wheat Belly-friendly recipe for fried chickie? Or am I doomed to oven "frying" forever?

          1. Killazontherun   12 years ago

            Don't use eggs or milk in your batter. Use soda water instead if you like your chicken to be perfectly crispy.

            1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              The one main thing I can't use is flour (wheat flour, that is) - eggs and limited milk are OK for wheat belies.

              1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

                Crush up some corn flakes into the batter...not too small. It adds a nice dimension and a fair bit of extra crispy goodness.

                1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                  No corn!

          2. Chris Mallory   12 years ago

            I used the rice flour for my wife's chicken. She said it was good.

          3. Trespassers W   12 years ago

            Would coconut flakes work? That sounds kind of tasty. Surely it's been tried.

            1. sloopyinca   12 years ago

              It's been tried and proven to fail. It just takes too damn long to fry up chicken for the coconut to not burn. It's great for shrimp and other quick-frying foods, but for chicken it's a no-go.

            2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

              But coconut flour might work, though.

              Last time I tried to fry grain-free, the batter just fell straight to the bottom of the oil.

            3. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

              Tenderize, coat with egg, roll in cornflakes and baked. Very low-fat if you remove the skin.

          4. niobiumstudio   12 years ago

            Just southern pan fry it. Half inch of decent oil in a cast iron pan, a dusting in any flour mixed with spices, drop the chicken in and let it 1/2 cook on one side, turn it once, let it finish, and don't use a paper towel or cover them while letting the oil come off - just put them on a cooling rack. Best SF chicken you will ever have. Plain, simple, nice and crispy never soggy, and extra juicy. Just replace the normal wheat flour with rice flour or some other random flour.

          5. Rasilio   12 years ago

            Last weekend we made an Eggplant and Portabella Parmesian where we deep fried the Eggplant and Portabella first.

            we used Corn Starch, Eggs, and a Store Bought Gluten Free "Breadcrumb" mix and it came out quite well, I'd imagine that it would work just as well with Chicken.

            The basic process was to dredge in the corn starch, then dip in the eggs (also mixed with some milk), then coat with breadcrumbs (which I think were mostly corn but I'd have to get the exact brand we used from my wife) then dropped then in oil.

            The batter really was quite good (and the entire dish was to die for)

            1. Harvard   12 years ago

              [Last weekend we made an Eggplant and Portabella Parmesian..]

              Christ, there's no possum available where you live??

        4. AlmightyJB   12 years ago

          God Dammit! Now I want fried chicken and watermelon.

          1. Brutus   12 years ago

            Go to Gus's Fried Chicken in Memphis.

        5. EDG reppin' LBC   12 years ago

          My wife is black. She loves fried chicken. Her family loves fried chicken. Blacks love fried chicken. And shrimp. And steak. And cheeseburgers.

          We have a close friend who is Chinese. She loves fried chicken, too.

          I guess I'm pretty racist.

          1. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

            Why? You don't like fried chicken? Unpossible.

      3. Zeb   12 years ago

        So because a black caricature involves fried chicken, no black person can ever advertise not-fried chicken? OK.

        1. Eduard van Haalen   12 years ago

          Yeah, as I understand the stereotype, it doesn't involve organic, non-fried chicken. That stereotype is associated, not with blacks, but with...people on the West Side of NYC.

        2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

          I'm certain I've seen black people in KFC and Popeyes ads before, with no controversy.

          I wonder what Woody would think if a fried chicken restaurant was hiring actors for its commercials and refused to hire any black actors.

          1. SIV   12 years ago

            I've been the only White person in a KFC or a Popeyes more times than I can count.
            Judging by the expression on some employees and customers I may have been the first White guy ever excepting MAYBE a cop or health inspector. Oh, you said ads.

            1. Alan   12 years ago

              KFC has lots of white customers, and Popeye's has some - but Church's Fried Chicken is like the Kiwi rugby team: All Blacks.

          2. Loki   12 years ago

            Hell the Popeye's spokesperson who appears in all their ads that I've ever seen is a black female Aunt Jamima look alike with a sterotypical black southern accent. As far as I know no one has ever complained.

            I think the real reason this one shitstack got annoyed is because it was Dear Leader. If the ad had just featured a generic black person, he probably wouldn't have given a shit.

            1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

              I think the real reason this one shitstack got annoyed is because it was Dear Leader he is a card carrying member of the society for the perpetually aggrieved.

              FIFY

            2. DesigNate   12 years ago

              From what I understand that's the actual CEO of Popeye's and she has an accent cause she's from New Orleans.

      4. DesigNate   12 years ago

        I love that Fried Chicken and Watermelon and Kool Aid have become inherently black. Fuck you, that's a Southern thing.

        1. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

          Fuck you, that's a deliciousness thing!

    3. Warty   12 years ago

      microguyalso? Top Commenter (signed in using yahoo)
      No, they don't WANT to grow up. They use things like this as a club, a weapon, in which to beat people that disagree with their political beliefs. This is just a tactic they use, guilt. It's CHICKEN! Not FRIED chicken. You can bake it, you can grill it, you can smoke it, you can BBQ it... you can do a lot with a chicken. But since THEY are the "racists", the first thing that comes to THEIR head, is "FRIED chicken". They then transfer that guilt to us, by using the race card to beat us into submission and giving them everything they want (politically).
      Reply ? 62 ? ? 2 hours ago

      How did this shockingly sane comment get in a local news story?

      1. John   12 years ago

        See Warty when you and I see that poster, we think "funny picture of Obama and ooh organic chicken". When she sees that poster she sees black people and a thousand years of white supremacy.

        But never forget, we are the ones who are racists and can't get over having a black President.

        1. Warty   12 years ago

          When I see a picture of Obama, I think "FUCK YOU, YOU SLEAZY FUCKING COCKSUCKER DIE DIE DIE!" But I might not be normal.

          1. T   12 years ago

            But I might not be normal

            Might? You think there's some wiggle room in that conclusion somwhere?

            1. Warty   12 years ago

              It's possible.

        2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

          I don't even think it's that. He sees the picture as making fun of BO, and comes up with a way to interpret it as racist so he can use that as a justification to complain rather than just coming right out and saying he doesn't like them making fun of the president.

          Like I said, I've seen black people in ads for KFC and Popeyes before.

          1. John   12 years ago

            The spokesperson for Popeyes is a black woman.

            1. Randian   12 years ago

              Oh yeah that's right. I always forget that.

              It's almost like I view her as an American and a Louisianan first, you know.

              1. John   12 years ago

                What kind of a monster are you Randian?

                1. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                  I know, right? What a fuckhead for looking at that lady as a human bean!

                  1. $park?   12 years ago

                    human bean

                    Human bean? Like a black bean?

                    RAAAACCCCIIIIISSSSSTTTTTTT!

                    1. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                      Speaking of racism, I saw a can of Goya beans in the store the other day that had the word "Negros" on it.

                    2. Kaptious Kristen   12 years ago

                      *outraged face!*

                    3. Randian   12 years ago

                      The guy at El Vaquero asked if I wanted Arroz Negro! Can you believe that?

                    4. sloopyinca   12 years ago

                      Black rice? I've had Arroz con frijoles negros before but never Black Rice in a Mexican market or restaurant.

                    5. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                      You can usually find some in the dumpster behind the Mexican restaurant.

              2. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

                Jesus, dude. You can't talk like that. That's INSANITY! What are you thinking by not making it a racial issue?

                Nice, though. My brother in law is famous for always using the "other" selection for race and filling in Human

      2. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

        I think the KKK members must obstain from fried chicken and watermelon. And chitlins. Old English 800 is okay, though.

    4. Paul.   12 years ago

      The sign outside the supermarket on Manhattan's Upper West Side, featuring an apparent caricature of Obama advertising an upcoming sale on whole organic chickens, outraged neighbor Woody Henderson

      Huh, I really liked him in Cheers.

      1. DenverJay   12 years ago

        No no, you're thinking about Harrison Ford, Woody Henderson is the guy that had Big Foot living with him.

  12. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

    Does anyone else think Biden is pulling a Claudius here? Feigning stupidity to make people think he's no threat?

    1. Randian   12 years ago

      Occam's says no.

    2. sarcasmic   12 years ago

      Is that what you think you are doing?

    3. darius404   12 years ago

      No.

    4. John   12 years ago

      No one could pretend to be that stupid for that long.

      1. T   12 years ago

        Even if it started out as pretense, by now it's ingrained behavior. We are what we repeatedly do, and all that.

  13. T   12 years ago

    Damn, I love Texas. It is absolutely legal to use deadly force to protect property. It's also legal to use deadly force to prevent people from fleeing with your property. So, yes, in Texas, you can shoot them as they are running away.

    Reference for those disinclined to take my word for it.

    1. John   12 years ago

      Damn straight. If you break into someone's home, you are fucking fair game. You forfeit your right to live until you are off their property. Burgling ought to be an extreme contact sport.

      1. $park?   12 years ago

        Spoken like a true libertarian. Are you starting to come around to their team, John?

        1. John   12 years ago

          I have always been a radical about the castle doctrine. There is nothing specifically libertarian about that. Most conservatives are that way.

      2. T   12 years ago

        That's pretty much the attitude. You'll get nol pross'd 99 times out of 100 if you shoot a burglar here.

        1. Killazontherun   12 years ago

          I hate having to yell at the robbers, 'You turn right back around so I can shoot you in the face!' Okay, that might be the best part.

    2. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

      I hear very few libertarians would actually do this, though.

      1. Warty   12 years ago

        I only shoot shipwreck survivors who are swimming toward my beach. Fucking freeloaders.

        1. Killazontherun   12 years ago

          You do hunt them down first, right?

          1. John   12 years ago

            Naw. It is more like that scene in Duck Dynasty were the old man and Uncle Si are shooting beavers. Warty uses a john boat and a shotgun.

        2. fish   12 years ago

          I only shoot shipwreck survivors who are swimming toward my beach. Fucking freeloaders.

          Well they're not freeloaders if you purposely cause their vessel to sink only to indulge your passion for hunting "the most dangerous game"!

          1. Warty   12 years ago

            Frank: Don't even joke about hunting no man.
            Dennis: Who's joking? I'm not joking.
            Frank: Oh yeah? Well, I was hunted once. I'd just came back from 'Nam. I was hitching through Oregon and some cop started harassing me. Next thing you know, I had a whole army of cops chasing me through the woods! I had to take 'em all out--it was a bloodbath!
            (everyone pauses awkwardly)
            Charlie: That's 'Rambo', dude.
            Frank: What?
            Charlie: You just described the plot of 'Rambo'.

            1. Rabban   12 years ago

              ASiP for the win!

        3. Resto Druid FTW   12 years ago

          Dude, thanks for this comment. It brought gales laughter to another dreary Seattle day. Fuck this city.

          1. minarchist   12 years ago

            Just head for the Fremont district and visit that statue of Lenin. It'll cheer you up.

        4. SIV   12 years ago

          Tulpical

      2. T   12 years ago

        I thought it was perfectly libertarain to respond to violations of the NAP with overwhelming force.

        1. Night Elf Mohawk   12 years ago

          So did I, but $park? had implied that I was basically a sociopath for saying I'd shoot a burglar and posited, I believe, that fewer than 10% of the people here would agree with my position on that.

          1. $park?   12 years ago

            fewer than 10% of the people here would agree with my position on that.

            After some of the commenting going on yesterday, I'm willing to change that to 90%. No doubt about it, y'all are a mean bunch of bloodthirsty fuckers.

            1. John   12 years ago

              I am not blood thirsty. But if you break into my house, I have to assume you are there to do me or my wife harm. And in that case, it is nothing personal, but I am going to shoot you unless you start doing some very quick explaining.

              1. $park?   12 years ago

                but I am going to shoot you unless you start doing some very quick explaining.

                If you're willing to give a person a chance to either explain or run away, then you're already ahead of most libertarians here. From what I've seen, most will just open fire as soon as they see someone in the open door.

                1. John   12 years ago

                  I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't go down and confront someone unless I had to. That is too dangerous. Gun fights are not fun. What I would do, is call the cops and retreat to a room if I could. If you come through the door, I am shooting you and not losing a wink of sleep over it.

                  1. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                    Most home invasions are 2-5 people who enter with overwhelming force. It's very likely that you won't have time to get everyone in to a saferoom, especially if you have kids scattered about in the house.

                    1. DenverJay   12 years ago

                      "Most home invasions are 5 or more cops"

                      FIFY

                2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                  From what I've seen, most will just open fire as soon as they see someone in the open door.

                  Depends on how the door got opened. If it was opened by force, AND there is no reason to believe it's a cop or someone else who would have justification for doing so under certain circumstances, I don't see the problem with shooting. That might be the only chance you get to stop the attack.

                  1. John   12 years ago

                    I agree with Tulpa there. But that is a case of the guy forcing a confrontation on you.

                  2. $park?   12 years ago

                    Depends on how the door got opened.

                    Don't bring that nonsense around here. Trespassing is aggression, no matter how it's carried out.

                    1. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                      Trespassing is aggression, no matter how it's carried out.

                      Within natural rights libertarian dogma, that's true. As a utilitarian I think the dogma is incomplete.

                  3. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

                    You can tell they're cops by the masks and guns.

                3. Brandon   12 years ago

                  From what I've seen, most will just open fire as soon as they see someone in the open door.

                  Hey, the cleaning lady should know better than to get there 10 minutes before her usual time.

            2. Brandon   12 years ago

              I'd shoot a burglar, but if he was unarmed or not brandishing a weapon I would give him every chance to surrender first.

              1. $park?   12 years ago

                I'd shoot a burglar, but if he was unarmed or not brandishing a weapon I would give him every chance to surrender first.

                That's what I said too. That position was quickly shot down by the violent wing of the party.

          2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

            Details missing. If the burglar is not clearly fleeing, I would totally support shooting him/her to stop the attack. Once they're clearly running away, even with some of your property, it's debatable whether you should shoot (and the NAP provides no guidance). Certainly if they kidnapped someone from your house you can shoot.

            1. $park?   12 years ago

              it's debatable whether you should shoot (and the NAP provides no guidance)

              Sure it does. According to the NAP, theft is aggression and therefore can be punished by death.

              1. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

                [citation needed]

                1. $park?   12 years ago

                  [citation needed]

                  On what, that theft is aggression or that aggression is punishable by death?

                  This seems like a reasonable citation for the former.

                  For a citation of the latter, just spend some time reading the comments in H&R.

                  1. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

                    Funny, I've not read anyone suggesting that any violation of the NAP should equal automatic death in all cases.

                    1. Virginian   12 years ago

                      Another thing I think about is future effects. Say I get mugged. Except he's an idiot and I bat the gun away and run around the corner. He lets me go, but maybe he's thinking "Shit, that guy got away. Next time I should hit my target with something before he even knows I'm there." Or maybe just shoot him and take the wallet off the body. An acquaintance got her purse stolen, with all the things people usually carry in it, and I asked if her landlord had changed the locks yet. She gave me this puzzled look. She's a single woman, living alone, and someone stole her keys and wallet with her ID in it, and she didn't think to get the locks changed until I asked.

                      The time to fight back against predators is when they're in front of you. Maybe confronting Mr Night Burglar and running him off will make him reconsider his career choice. Or maybe next time he hits a house he'll do so with some friends, and have them bring guns.

                    2. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                      Understandable, but there are practical considerations that make such a rule infeasible. The main issue is that every exception to the murder statutes makes it harder to convict real murderers. If you make it OK to kill someone who is fleeing from your property, then it would be easy for someone to invite a person they wanted to kill onto their property and then shoot them there, claiming self defense when the cops show up. Limiting the right to kill in self-defense makes that scenario harder and harder to accomplish.

                      The main problem I have with extreme libertarianism is that they assume that God, or some omniscient intelligence, is in charge or something, so no expansion of rights can ever be abused. Even religious people don't think God is in charge of prosecuting criminals.

                    3. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

                      Even religious people don't think God is in charge of prosecuting criminals.

                      Well, not until they're dead, anyway.

                    4. Velcro Bootstraps   12 years ago

                      This is my fear if my home ever gets broken into. I worry that if the "bad guy" gets away, he'll just come back later, or he'll still be in a position to harm others. I feel as though I'd almost have a moral duty to prevent this from happening again.

                    5. $park?   12 years ago

                      Funny, I've not read anyone suggesting that any violation of the NAP should equal automatic death in all cases.

                      Some commenters will weasel out of it by saying that even though they could kill someone for aggression, that doesn't mean they would. Other commenters flat out state that if someone broke into their house they would shoot or if someone stole from them they would shoot to kill. Night Elf Mohawk and Francisco d Antonia are two that have said the latter within the past few days. I believe NEM's answer was "better judged by twelve than carried by six."

                    6. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

                      Killing anyone who steps onto your property without your permission is consistent with the NAP.

                      Not killing anyone who does so is also consistent with the NAP.

                    7. $park?   12 years ago

                      Killing anyone who steps onto your property without your permission is consistent with the NAP.

                      And this is what makes the NAP the most perfect moral system. Or so I'm told.

                    8. SIV   12 years ago

                      Killing anyone who steps onto your property without your permission is consistent with the NAP.

                      Trespass to land is often not necessarily aggression.

                    9. Rights-Minimalist Autocrat   12 years ago

                      Killing anyone who steps onto your property without your permission is consistent with the NAP.

                      Why do libertarians hate Mormon missionaries?

                    10. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

                      Who doesn't?

                  2. Brandon   12 years ago

                    I'd shoot Sparky just to shut him up and stop him from changing his name every other week.

                    1. $park?   12 years ago

                      I'd shoot Sparky just to shut him up and stop him from changing his name every other week.

                      Hey now! I haven't changed my name in a long time, Brandon. If that's your REAL name.

                      Trespass to land is often not necessarily aggression.

                      Tell that to the people who say otherwise.

            2. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

              And maybe you'll get lucky and kill your wife.

      3. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

        I hear very few libertarians would actually [shoot a burglar in the back because he is fleeing with your shit], though.

        I wouldn't. I have insurance. And a conscience. But if I catch a man (or woman) in my home, they are getting blasted the fuck up regardless of which direction they're facing.

    3. Free Society   12 years ago

      If Texas is the only state with these kinds of laws, then Texas is the only one doing it right. You are damn right I should be able to shoot someone make away with my property. Damn right I should be allowed to use any amount of force necessary to protect my property from harm. Just like I would kill to protect my life and liberty.

    4. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

      I'm not sure of the specifics regarding Ohio and someone running away, but I see it this way.

      If I catch someone in, entering, or attempting to enter my home I'm going to shoot them. I have 2 large dogs and a welcome mat that says "there's nothing inside worth dying for". If they're dumb enough to enter anyway, I'm going to assume they mean me harm and harm them right back.

      If I see someone running away with my stuff, I'm going to let them go and call the cops. It's just stuff and it can be replaced. I don't want the hassle and crap that comes along with shooting someone if I don't need to.

      1. Brandon   12 years ago

        This seems much more reasonable than FS's post above.

        1. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

          Thanks. I do try to live my life by using reason and logic. Strange concept in the world today, I know.

      2. SIV   12 years ago

        What if the "stuff" cost 1/4 of your life in labor?

        1. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

          I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but that's why I have insurance on all my stuff. There is nothing inanimate in my home that can't be replaced.

  14. John Galt   12 years ago

    I apologize for the many times that I've claimed Joe Biden to be the dumbest man in America. What I meant to say is Joe Biden is absolutely the dumbest man in the Universe.

    1. Killazontherun   12 years ago

      I be damned. The dumbest creature in the universe really does look like Biden.

      1. Killazontherun   12 years ago

        Yup, hat's definitely rootin', tootin' Biden on the wall there.

        http://www.dopefish.com/images/mpdopefish.jpg

      2. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

        Gah! My eyes!

    2. Raston Bot   12 years ago

      Observable universe?

      1. John Galt   12 years ago

        Of course, the observable portion only. It would hardly be sound science to claim otherwise.

  15. OldMexican   12 years ago

    Gun Expert Joe Biden Advises His Wife To Illegally Discharge a Shotgun

    I don't understand why Biden is not telling his wife to use the Joe Salazar anti-assault whistle. I heard that it is better than using a gun to scare off invading, sex-hungry aliens.

    1. Jordan   12 years ago

      Or telling her to shit herself.

      1. OldMexican   12 years ago

        Or vomit.

        Or play possum.

        1. fish   12 years ago

          I think he and Jill like to keep their "special little games" to themselves.

        2. John Galt   12 years ago

          Or puff herself up.

          Or squirt a foul smelling liquid from her glands.

          Or stand up on her hind legs.

  16. Killazontherun   12 years ago

    has just fired two loads of shot in the air, where gravity will soon take control and bring them back down to Earth

    It has been my experience that shot coming back down to the ground doesn't even sting much, and for the same reason you can't flatten a car below you by dropping a penny from a building. Air friction, bitches!

    1. Drake   12 years ago

      Correct - unless she is blasting slugs in the air, it is unlikely that anyone will be harmed.

      What she is supposed to do next - standing there with an empty shotgun - is unclear.

      Biden really is a retard.

    2. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

      If its birdshot, sure. Buckshot or slugs will fuck you up, though.

      1. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

        And, to be clear, birdshot should never be used for home defense. It simply doesn't penetrate reliably enough. You'll make a bloody mess of someone, but it won't reliably stop someone intent on doing you in.

        Lead BB size shot is pretty much the smallest you can go, and it's borderline.

        1. Tulpa (LAOL-PA)   12 years ago

          But birdshot spreads out so you don't have to aim, and can't go through a sheet of drywall! [/myth]

          1. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

            Yeah...I never understood why anyone thinks that something that can't penetrate drywall would be great for defending yourself with. If it can't penetrate drywall, it can't penetrate the attacker, either.

            1. Chris Mallory   12 years ago

              According to the Box Of Truth, birdshot will penetrate two sheets of drywall.

              1. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

                Yeah, but I was talking about the people who use birdshot because they think it won't.

              2. John Galt   12 years ago

                There may be some truth in that box, but it's a little more complex than that.

                What thickness drywall? What size bird shot? Weight of the shot and powder loads? Barrel length? Type of choke or lack of? Muzzle velocity? Distance to target? And so on, and so forth.

                All factors must be taken into consideration when calculating terminal ballistics for a given round fired from a particular firearm.

                For example: A twelve gauge firing a 3" magnum #4 shot shell point blank at 1/2" drywall is going to penetrate a lot more than two sheets. On the other hand, a .410, un-choked, firing a much smaller size 12 shot at a range of 20 yards would likely bounce off the outer paper layer on the first sheet yielding .0" penetration.

            2. Henry II   12 years ago

              Shoot yourself in the face and you'll understand.

        2. Brandon   12 years ago

          Generally, making a bloody mess of someone is a good way to stop them even if they are intent on doing you in. Do you expect Jason Voorhees to invade your house?

          1. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

            No, but a meth-head high off his mind won't slow down much by just getting bloodied up. That's why you should use a heavier load. Even Jason Voorhees won't be fighting for long when his heart has more leaky holes than a hooker on nickel night.

            1. mad libertarian guy   12 years ago

              Even Jason Voorhees won't be fighting for long when his heart has more leaky holes than a hooker on nickel night he has a softball sized hole in his torso from the 00 Buck I just unloaded on his ass.

              FIFY

              1. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

                I like my imagery better.

          2. Generic Stranger   12 years ago

            With birdshot, pretty much all the damage is superficial. You've got a lot of little holes that make it look like the guy is hamburger, but it's only an inch or two deep. There generally isn't enough actual damage to stop someone intent on murdering your ass.

            1. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

              I think he would stop if you shot him in the face.

    3. Henry II   12 years ago

      why would it be bird shot in the shotgun? if the shotgun is kept loaded for home protection, you would use stronger shot. if it was meant to just be fired as an alarm to frighten someone, you would use blanks.

      bird shot would seem to only be appropriate for . . . birds.

  17. OldMexican   12 years ago

    The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. "On your property you can't just shoot someone," he said. "You have to really feel that your life is being threatened."

    Yes, no ambiguities here. In Delaware, you can present feelings as evidence, in court.

    Probably only place on Earth, besides maybe Nepal

    1. Henry II   12 years ago

      Actually, this is the law in most, if not all, states, even "defend your ground" states.

      The general premise is that the person asserting self-defense must prove that a reasonable person in his or her shoes would believe that his or her [blank] is being unlawfully threatened.

      "[blank]" varies from state to state. I think most states are similar to Delaware where the use of the force must be proportional to the reasonably perceived threat - i.e. death or serious bodily harm. "Defend your castle" states would include "property" or "domicile" as well.

      That "reasonableness" is objective (supposedly) and not subjective. It is a similar standard used for rape, assault, etc.

  18. The Late P Brooks   12 years ago

    Those "legal experts" need to go back to school. They don't know shit about the law. The wife of a sitting Vice President would never even be charged with "unlawful discharge inside the city limits" much less any of that other stuff.

    Fire at will, Mom!*

    *Since the Secret Service would be there to croak anybody who dast to trample the Second Lawn, the whole scenario is just silly.

    1. DenverJay   12 years ago

      What the hell did Will do?

  19. Loki   12 years ago

    Garey said that under Biden's scenario, Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree.

    But it's safe to say she wouldn't actually be charged. Afterall, rules are for little people.

    city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property...

    "In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force," ...

    "You cannot use deadly force to protect property" in Delaware, added Garey.

    Fuck Delaware.

  20. wingnutx   12 years ago

    Obama Group Launches $100,000 Anti-Gun Advertising Blitz

    1. Rasilio   12 years ago

      $100,000 is an advertising blitz?

      That ought to get them a couple of ad slots on Facebook way outside of primetime

      1. Brandon   12 years ago

        You're not accounting for the discounts that will be flung their way when Obama's name is "unofficially" dropped.

      2. wingnutx   12 years ago

        Yeah, I'm wondering if a zero or two didn't get left off.

  21. DenverJay   12 years ago

    BTW, if I had to have an empty gun for defense, a 12 gauge is not a bad choice. Big chunk of metal and wood- could be useful even unloaded

    1. Henry II   12 years ago

      Would be more useful if they weren't trying to ban bayonets. LoL.

  22. ThatSkepticGuy   12 years ago

    "You don't need an AR-15. It's harder to aim, it's harder to use"

    And yet Biden and his likeminded shitheads never seem to consider this when demanding they be banned.

    1. itsnotmeitsyou   12 years ago

      STOP USING LOGIC AND REASONING!!!! Dammit, man. Don't you know facts are for pussies.

  23. buybuydandavis   12 years ago

    Biden opens his mouth and nonsense pours out.

    This is news?

  24. aaaeagleone@me.com   12 years ago

    "What about neighbor hood safety does 'GRINNING JOE' not understand, shotgun ammunition contains from one single slug to +20 pellets, now when you pull the trigger, and discharge said shotgun where there is no backstop those bullets are going to land somewhere and you would have a real and distinct possibility of injuring a innocent bystander, anyone with even a very small Modicum of common sense would know that a responsible gun owner would never-ever fire a round without having a backstop, Joe B, you are indeed a IDIOT/FOOL for this very UNSAFE suggestion. -:{"
    Give up commenting on anything that you have no knowedge of Mr. Vice President.

    1. Harvard   12 years ago

      Pretty much reduces Joe to mute.

    2. Henry II   12 years ago

      Hey, I am sure that he does this "all the time".

  25. Henry II   12 years ago

    LoL. Well, can't ever accuse him of failing to live up to his reputation as a blowhard.

  26. Tahh   12 years ago

    Maybe Joe Biden and Dick Cheney can run a PSA on gun safety.
    Then maybe us dumb Americans will really know how to use our firearms.

  27. Faithful34   12 years ago

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    1. gaoxiaen   12 years ago

      Francisco is a pimp, and he's counting gross receipts, before he takes his cut.

  28. Alan Wright   12 years ago

    This kind of snide nit-picking is not helpful. I'm referring to the article generally, but more specifically the comments.

    Per the article, "'There's nothing based on his scenario alone' indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted."

    For one, it's clear from the context that Joe Biden was not providing legal or even practical advice. He was speaking generally as to how a shotgun provides an adequate deterrent effect in the case of a home invasion, or at least relative to an AR-15.

    Biden also did not include any mention in his brief hypothetical about the facts which would demonstrate that Ms. Biden's use of a firearm was reasonable under the circumstances. But, nor did he mention that her fear was unreasonable because the noise outside was just a deer in the woods.

    However, Biden did say "Jill, if there's ever a problem..." That statement at least suggests the nature of the home invasion Biden speaking of. It's of a problematic kind. A deer in the woods is not a problem.

    All we need to do is understand what Joe Biden understands "a problem" to be. I don't think any reasonable person thinks Joe Biden's understanding of what "a problem" is to be a deer in the woods, the neighbors' children looking for a lost ball, girls selling cookies, or UPS making a delivery.

    So, I think a better response to Joe Biden's unsurprising vagueness is... wait for it... a teaching moment about state law standards of reasonable self-defense of your person and your property.

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