The Single Payer Solution?
Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Washington), newly installed as the ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Health Subcommittee, tells Politico that he opposes Republican attempts to repeal ObamaCare, either all at once or piece by piece.
"The Republicans should stop this repeal stuff and get on with fixing it, and I hope that we move to that stage pretty quickly," McDermott says, which is somewhat interesting in that it suggests that McDermott thinks the health law is broken and in need of fixing. He also claims to not know what the GOP's health care "agenda really is." But McDermott isn't exactly forthcoming with details either. He suggests he might be for cost-saving reforms, but he also makes sure to note that he's "not willing to say you have to cut benefits." So what sort of reforms would he support? McDermott isn't pushing anything specifically right now, but perhaps a clue to his long-term dream can be found in Politico's opening line, which reports that in "McDermott's ideal world, health reform would have meant a single-payer health care system."
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"McDermott's ideal world, health reform would have meant a single-payer health care system."
Having people wait 6 months to a year to get treatment is well worth it if it prevents those evil insurance companies from getting their grubby hands on those 3% profit margins!
I fully endorse the idea of single-payer. I'll pay for my healthcare, everyone else stay out of it.
In my case that system would be "married payer."
and somebody would no doubtedly come up with a 'It's Complicated-payer' plan.
The "player-payer" plan?
Single-payer legal care. Because no lawyer does anything worth more than minimum wage.
If only. Somehow the only profession that is avoiding any calls for wage or earnings controls.
I don't understand either. What could be wrong with this massive law rammed through with nearly no debate or review?
Xenocles| 2.1.13 @ 5:15PM |#
"I don't understand either. What could be wrong with this massive law rammed through with nearly no debate or review?"
Especially one where the authors had no idea what it meant.
You know who else advocated for a Single Payer Solution?
Howard Dean?
Boris Yeltsin?
George McGovern?
Senator Robert Menendez?
Dick Tuck?
I can't get over reading that as 'Single Player Solution'.
Everyone hates a Playa'
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
Actually, in this case, hate both.
Everyone hates a Playa
Who hates beaches, and why are you speaking Spanglish?
I hate to say it, but a single payer system would have been cheaper and better than the ObamaCare. It's like the difference between a kick in the butt and a kick in the nuts, you don't want either, but the former is still less painful.
It's duct-tape vs. band-aids.
Precisely. OC is inherently unstable. Though it is easier to get rid of than single payer would be.
If the Roberts tax is too low, we're going to wind up with single payer regardless, as the private insurance industry will death spiral under the weight of people with preexists signing up only when they need TX.
That was the plan all along. You can't boil that frog all at once. You got to make it worse before you can save it again.
I am a firm believer in Hanlon's razor. They weren't trying to crash the system, it's just there are so many interest groups, and so many different politicians that had to be appeased, in order to jam the bill through, that the end result will be absolute chaos. (Never mind that any attempt to fix any problem caused by over regulation, and perverse government incentives with more regulation, and even more perverse regulation will lead to chaos.)
incentives! Damn it!
TO fix healthcare, first they had to break it.
That's similar to saying being chattel slave is better than being a serf.
Both options objectively suck.
If that's a verbatim quote, it also suggests that he thinks the Republicans should be the ones to fix the broken law.
All my "smarter" lefty friends tell me the same thing. It was unworkable as passed so the Republicans are bound to fix it and make it work BECAUSE OBAMACARE IS THE LAW.
There is no money for single payer. And people don't want it anyway. We are all fucked. But as time goes on the Dems will be even more fucked as they get blamed for the entire mess. I think most of them regret Obamacare now if they were honest. By 2016 they will be begging the Republicans to repeal it.
There's plenty of money for the Cuban version of single payer, which could be more succinctly described as single prayer.
Dude, you think the media is going to have an honest investigation of ObamaCare's effects?
It's going to literally be 24/7 "we need single payer now" "We tried the private sector" "MARKET FAILURE"
The Glorious People's State and Party cannot fix this mess until the last wrecker and the last kulak have been destroyed. Only then will we get to the Radiant Future.
Yup. The media is so stunningly biased at this point that it might as well be government-run. It's pure propaganda all the time for anything that's statist.
The one recent plan that actually was helpful in using market dynamics to lower health care costs was Medicare Advantage, which is now blown to shit through Obamacare.
There is zero chance whatsoever that anything the government does apart from allowing people to use medicare funds to purchase private plans will ever lower costs.
How is there not any money for it? The US spends more on health care than any other country in the world. It's like people in prison, no one is really even close.
So the problem isn't the lack of money, but how we spend the money. Too much of it goes to lawyers and bureaucrats.
Obamacare made that much worse. Would single payer improve things? I don't see how it could be any more.
But really, we should move to something like Costa Rica's model.They move a lot of the fucntions of doctors onto other people, like pharmacists.
Of course, that's the other problem with this country's health care system - it's too regulated - doctors wills scream bloody murder if anyone else gets to make decisions other than them, but there aren't enough of them.
And you have the Feds worrying about the drug war, which means more controls over who can hand out prescriptions.
We spend so much on health care because we bear the burden for every new drug and every new piece of glittering medical tech, which the rest of the world then pilfers by threatening to void patents.
No, John, the proggies very much want single payer. As do the people who can't afford insurance. So once O-care inevitably fails, they'll be there with the solution.
The nice thing about single payer is that I can abuse the hell out of it to hasten the collapse. I have never used my employer-provided health insurance in the 8 years I've been out of college, but I will go to the doctor everytime I have a stuffy nose if we get single payer. FREE PREVENTATIVE CARE!!!1
And for every one trying to hasten the demise, there will be ten self-absorbed or hypochondriacal patients who go because IT'S A RIGHT.
We are good and truly fucked.
With single payer, I should insist on a prosthetic limb for every type of activity I imagine myself engaging in, not just walking, but biking, running, ballroom dancing, swimming ... All kinds of stuff I'm never going to do.
"... but I will go to the doctor everytime I have a stuffy nose if we get single payer. FREE PREVENTATIVE CARE!!!1"
Lots of other folks think this way, so you'll be waiting a long, long time to get an appointment for your stuffy nose, or knee surgery or biopsy as well.
Free goods and services are rationed by queuing, you know. Have fun reading those 10 year old National Geographic magazines in the waiting room.
There will be people who wait in line for other people, in return for a fee. Count on it. JOBS CREATED RIGHTWINGERZZZ!!! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
I don't expect this will work in the medical system. Do you think someone waiting for a CAT scan will be able sell his place in the queue to someone farther down the list?
Impossible to tell when folks here are joking or serious.
"The Republicans should stop this repeal stuff and get on with fixing it, and I hope that we move to that stage pretty quickly,"
In other words;........
"Our special interest crafted shit-bird doesn't look like it works; we haven't the slightest fucking clue how to fix it without completely scrapping it. We never read it before we jammed it down America's throat, and we don't want to admit that we were too stubborn and too fucking stupid to listen to anyone when we barely passed it. We don't have any way of backtracking or spinning it on to the (R)'s after our awesome SCOTUS victory, we own it outright, and we are desperate for the Republicans to shitty their hands up with it, just like us Dems, so we are all equally guilty of this abomination together in 2014 when the reality of this piece-o-shit bill sets in, and heads start to roll. And no matter what, we must try and preserve the image and legacy of our autistic man child that we were stupid enough to listen to soon (2016) to retire God-King.....help us shirk or responsibility to this...HELP!!!!"
If Democrats are so convinced single payer is the way to go, why not implement it at a state or local level? I mean, even I believe single payer may be preferable to the horrific hybrid system we have that costs more than single payer while still providing incomplete coverage. If the government is already setting prices, heavily regulating care and drug access, mandating services and having minimum cost plans that cost $20k a year, and providing public hospitals in most cities, I'm not sure there's a significant difference from a public system.
Let the Democrats implement single payer at the state level, the Republicans implement a cross-state psuedo-free market voucher solution and let people vote for what they prefer with their feet. There's no reason to have a federal healthcare policy.
I really wish your idea could be carried out.
There's no reason to have a federal healthcare policy.
Well, it would be better to wait for what will happen with it, what make sense is what benefits you will get form health care system.
Medicare Benefits