Arlen Specter, R.I.P.
Arlen Specter, the longtime Pennyslyvania senator who left the Republican party in 2009 to join the Democrats but then went on to lose his 2010 Senate reelection bid, died this morning at his Pennsylvania home.
From the New York Times obit:
Hard-bitten and tenacious yet ever the centrist, Mr. Specter was a part of American public life for more than four decades. As an ambitious young lawyer for the Warren Commission, he took credit for originating the theory that a single bullet, fired by a lone gunman, had killed President John F. Kennedy.
In the Senate, where he was long regarded as its sharpest legal mind, he led the Judiciary Committee through one of its most tumultuous periods, even while battling Hodgkin's disease in 2005 and losing his hair to chemotherapy.
Yet he may be remembered best for his quixotic party switch in 2009 and the subsequent campaign that cost him the Senate seat he had held for almost 30 years. After 44 years as a Republican, Mr. Specter, who began his career as a Democrat, changed sides because he feared a challenge from the right. He wound up losing in a Democratic primary; the seat stayed in Republican hands.
One of the few remaining Republican moderates on Capitol Hill at a time when the party had turned sharply to the right, Mr. Specter confounded fellow Republicans at every turn. He unabashedly supported Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal, and championed biomedical and embryonic stem cell research long before he received his cancer diagnosis.
When he made a bid for the White House in 1995, he denounced the Christian right as an extremist "fringe" — an unorthodox tactic for a candidate trying to win votes in a Republican primary. The campaign was short-lived; Mr. Specter ended it when he ran out of cash. Years later, he said wryly, "I was the only one of nine people in New Hampshire who wanted to keep the Department of Education."
Matt Welch on Specter's party switch here. Brian Doherty on others abandoning the GOP here. Lots more from Reason on Specter here.
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Supporting big government = "centrist," "moderate," blah blah blah. Why should I feel sad over a career politician's death?
Instead of a funeral, it would be cheaper to just stick a bone up his ass and let the dogs drag him off.
He'll likely be lionized as a "statesman." Dear God, please, no. Why do liars get so many accolades?
Oh yeah: thousands of years of human history shows that's what happens when those with so much power get to write it.
It's going to be harder than usual for the Dems to do that, since they're the ones who booted him from office in the 2010 primary.
Still, they will use him as an example of what the state can "accomplish" when a "moderate" Republican (or should I say, Democrat?) stays in power for so long.
It was a proper baptism by fire, Tulpington; they simply introduced him good, hard and early to concept of taking one for the TEAM.
It could be argued that he has done so now, for the last time. -)
The Dems didn't "boot" him, you nimwit. They supported him over Joe Sestak in the primary before the voters booted him.
But you're wrong, you fucking retard. He lost the primary to Sestak.
Obama tried to persuade Sestak to drop out by getting him a nice cabinet job.
You idiots are always wrong.
You idiots are always wrong.
And yet, you won't fucking leave, or kill yourself.
You are correct, we are always wrong. Does this mean you will start posting at HuffPo, where one assumes the posters are always right?
I actually took a shit this morning with a higher intellect than yours.
He lost the Democrat primary, right?
Jesus, you're dense.
Instead of a funeral, it would be cheaper to just stick a bone up his ass and let the dogs drag him off.
+100
Best Specter obit I've read so far.
Too bad Hitchens is dead. He did great snarky eulogies.
Hopefully Specter is polishing Hitchens' knob in Hell... while Mom Theresa can't stop laughing in heaven.
Why the hell would Theresa be in Heavan and Hitchens in hell? You've got it exactly wrong.
Well, Hitch was an atheist and Mama T (it turns out) was filled with doubt, so let's just say there's no heaven or hell and they're all getting their knobs polished by the worms.
even a sovereign can still get tased
http://blutube.policeone.com/p.....ourt-room/
The commenters on that video aren't doing you any favors, Dunphy.
HEEEEHAWWWW!!!! How you like that ride you little piss whistle!!! Now shut up!!!
What' that called when one gets off on the pain of others?
Oh yeah, sadism.
You don't have to be a sadist to be a cop, but it sure helps!
Neither does the title, or any of the rest of it.
And yet Dunphy links to this video in apparent approval. So much for being pro-videotaping.
apparent approval?
why not simply ask?
it's a good tasering video, because it gives a relatively broad context (before and after), shows attempts at deescalation, tec.
i can't speak for that agency's policies as to whether it's within policy, but certainly it's a REASONABLE tasering.
judges are their own little gods, with their own little worlds. apparently this judge didn't allow videotaping in his courtroom, and the guy was given ample warning of same and ample opportunity to get rid of video camera
he was given ample warning via the drawn taser among other things, that if he attempted to force his way in, he'd be met with force.
i posted it because it's pretty much a textbook tasering.
it's a good tasering video, because it gives a relatively broad context (before and after), shows attempts at deescalation, tec.
i can't speak for that agency's policies as to whether it's within policy, but certainly it's a REASONABLE tasering.
Not to anyone outside of your demented bubble.
WTF, the cops couldn't have kicked his scrawny ass out, without tasering?
see, this is where again - you ask the wrong questions, apply the wrong metrics and get the incorrect conclusion
and it's PLENTY of people outside my demented bubble. i think most (a majority) of people would find this tasering to be justified, but we have no way of knowing.
it's a justified tasing. i think most people would agree.
Tasers are for situations where deadly force is justified but you would prefer* to not shoot the guy. If a bullet in the chest isnt justified, neither is a tasering. And department that has a different policy is wrong.
*"prefer" being a policy decision, not the individual officer's decision.
Yeah, it shows that a couple fat cops are too out of shape to deal with a single guy who clearly has no violent intent.
And what happens after is additionally damning because all the guy does is say "I'm not doing anything wrong." Clearly not a threat.
Not doing what a cop asks is violence.
Violence to the cop's fragile ego, but violence nonetheless.
Ergo, ipso facto, therefore YEAAAAHHH TAKE THAT YOU FUCKING HIPPIE I WANNA RAPE YOU WITH MY NIGHTSTICK, no homo!!!
it has nothing to do with "what the cop asks".
there is thing called rule of law. in many courtrooms, one of those rules is no audio/videotaping. i PERSONALLY disagree with many of those rules(for example, the blanket rule against audio/videtaping in all federal courts).
but so what?
given such a rule, those particular cops (bailiffs, deputies, etc.?) are tasked with guarding the entrance.
the taser solved the problem. no muss, no fuss. going habeas grabbus on the guy with all the people milling around, leaving the door unguarded in the process, etc. would have been an OPTION. but clearly, the tasing is also a justified option
they have no idea whether his intent is violent of not. the issue is, given ample warning, and given (apparent) rules against courtroom videotaping (note nearly all federal courts prohibit video and audio, and many state ones), and his attempt to make entry, was the tasering justified? imo, clearly yes.
and is this a serious statement " because all the guy does is say "I'm not doing anything wrong." Clearly not a threat."
that's a joke right?
ZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!!!!
Oh sorry, I had no idea you intentions, so I had to put you down like a fucking dog.
Castle doctrine, dude.
they put him down pursuant to reasonalbe UOF policies because he was repeatedly attempting to commit a crime, he had been given ample warning and opportunity to cease doing so,and he was ultimately attempting ingress after all theat stuff happened. he had complete control over the situation, but he made a criminal choice, given ample warning of what would happen if he persisted.
justified.
Blah blah blah...
ZAAAAAPPPPPP!!!!
Oh shit, sorry again. You were rambling nonsense speak and I kinda zoned out there.
Committing a crime? Which statute was he violating? No one should be touched by a cop unless they are offering violence. PERIOD.
I've dished out plenty of criticism of cops, but this guy was an asshole who obviously came to provoke. What bothers me is that he seemed to be spouting some form of pseudo-libertarianism, which will only make people think that libertarians are snotty, ignorant little hippies who's intellectual contribution consists of claiming citizenship in "one of the several states" while denying citizenship in...oh what the fuck, I could hardly follow it. As a private citizen I would've tased the mother-fucker just to get him to shut up.
You're hanging yourself. What happened to all your claims about cops being on-the-job psychologists who can straighten out gang members and settle marriage problems? If those two fat fucks couldn't tell he was harmless then they have the social interaction skills of a toddler.
cops can and do all sorts of things in all sorts of situations. neither you nor i have any idea if he was "harmless". and the cops don't have to sit there and administer a MMPI to be sure.
he was committing a crime, and outright stated he was going to commit it after ample and exhaustive warning that it was illegal, and after clear visual warning, that he would get tased. prior to the drawing of the taser, he tried to push hi way through after he said he was goign to do so.
again, this is a textbook justified tase.
most cop incidents are dealt with , without force. less than 5% of arrests involve force. in this case, force was used, justifiably
What happened to all your claims about cops being on-the-job psychologists who can straighten out gang members and settle marriage problems?
That's only Jellicle cops.
what are you talking about vis a vis pro-videotaping? i'm not getting your comment.
oh, if you are referring to the videotapingin courtroom thang, that's the judges/courts decision. i have no idea what kind of hearing/trial it is or why the judge/courts don't allow videotaping, but due to that pesky rule of law thing, GIVEN that videotaping is prohibited in that courtroom, those guys are going to enforce the judge/court edicts. doesn't mean i agree with the underlying prohibition. i'd have to know what kind of trial it was, etc.
Due to that pesky rule of law thing it's also illegal to speed. Should cops tase people for doing 27 in a 25? Grow up dunphy.
the issue is this - given ample warning, including the warning of a drawn taser by clearly identified LEO's, given verbal warnings, and given verbal options (about being able to leave the video camera with another person and entering etc.) - and the man's both STATED intent that he WAS entering and his movements to do so, was tasering justified? imo, yes.
i can't speak for that agency's UOF policy. the officers have to consider, among other things, is that while they are dealing with video guy there very well may be an accomplice of his as well. the tasering allows them to maintain a tactical advantage in such eventualities.
cops shouldbn't tase for speeding./ nor (see MacPherson) should they tase for refusing to sign a speeding ticket, etc.
but given THIS fact pattern, a tasing is justified.
"UOF" is your response to everything.
Shorter dunphy: "it's written down somewhere, so it's justified."
no, in many many incidents uses of force whether by cop or "citizen" are NOT justified. tons of such incidents.
this is, apparently, an incident where force WAS justified.
force WAS justified.
Force, yes.
Deadly force, no.
They should have tackled his punk ass.
If you get out of your car and walk directing into the cop you might well get tased. Christ, people are getting shot in their own homes by 3am, no knock warrents over pot plants. Who gives a shit about this guy, who just makes those who oppose statism look like morons.
How about this? Tase the asshole for setting back the cause of public videotaping with his stupid stunt.
The courtroom is owned by the taxpayers and the judge works for the taxpayers. If a citizen wants to videotape, then he has that right.
The expressway is owned by the taxpayers and the highway patrol works for the taxpayers. Therefore, if a citizen wants to use the left lane of I-76 as a basketball court, he has that right.
Because driving into oncoming traffic is EXACTLY like videotaping court procedure.
I'm sorry, DRIBBLING into oncoming traffic.
By his own declaration, this guy wasn't a citizen.
The court room is owned by the Government.
You do what the owners says.
Eliminate government property
the commenters on policeone are much like the (troll) commenters on reason - complete fucking loons. there are actually striking parallels.
Yeah. I took one look at the comments and got the hell out of there. I think GBN's label of "sadists" is accurate.
yup. exactly like the reasonoid loons, the "die in fire" loons, etc. those types. it's practically a mirror image of reasonoid loonage
And they're your brothers.
With the ability to legally exercise their frustration and anger through violence on a daily basis.
Something that the "loons" here are not able to do.
they are not my brothers (the loons) any more than the libertarian loons who exort me to die in a fire are "my brothers".
there are loons in every group. extremist ninnies, blowing off steam on the intertoobs. i don't , fwiw, take the violent rhetoric here seriously, and i don't even read the police one comments, but from what little i have seen, they are equally unworthy of comment/consideration.
I don't want you to die in a fire. Drowning in a cesspit would be perfectly acceptable.
The difference is, and I think you know this, is that the people here wishing you die in a fire are just blowing off steam, and don't really wish you harm. Too many of your brothers in blue, not just the ones on policeone, are deadly serious about their desire to harm others, and frequently act on their desires with impunity.
The thing is, dumpy: your propensity to cheer when a harmless individual is tortured by electrocution just because one of your fellow donut-grazers is throwing a "respeck mah authoritah" tantrum, shows you to be a depraved sadist who does indeed deserve to die in a fire.
No, fuck off and die in a fire, you jackbooted thug.
-jcr
Berating officers for bloodthirstiness is EXACTLY like "cheer[in]... torture". Your comment doesn't sound nuts AT ALL.
Sorry, berating COMMENTERS. We don't know all the commenters on Policeone are officers.
I thought Policeone changed their policy so that only officers are allowed to comment. (Not that non-officers don't pose as officers there.)
Why would you post that here Dunphy?
Serious question.
Do you think it's funny?
Do you think the comments linked to the video support your arguments that cops aren't assholes?
Or are you trying to prove that you're troll to anyone that doubts it?
i am posting it here,for the same reason people post cop UOF's. for viewage, discussion, debate, etc.
some people may see it as justified. some may not
fair enough.
I was hoping it was a video of Arlen Spector being tased.
But why not in an appropriate thread, instead of OT?
Post it tommorrow morning in AM links.
You have ruined a perfectly good Spectre-fucking thread.
..still haven't figured out why people despise you, have you, dumpy?
-jcr
I agree with Dunphy on this one. The property owner (the govt) makes the rules. If you don't like this eliminate govt owned property.
P Barnes: "God's not worried about cameras. I am."
That alt-text was rough.
Worst PA senator in history. His close competitor for this distinction, Santorum's endorsement of this shitbag is yet another reason to despise him.
Normally I'd respect someone who was hated by both right and left, but in this case they hate him for the right reasons.
The Left seems to be love him now as the "moderate" (statist) he was.
Yeah. None of the MSM stories are mentioning that he was booted from office by Leftists butthurt over him refusing to be the 60th vote for card check.
Deified is correct, Suderman. That is some harsh alt-text. At least Spectre (ha!) met death on his own terms before an IPAB got a hold of him.
Romney told me this great Statesman would still be alive if Obama hadn't gutted medicare.
Anyone know where they're burying him?
I wanna be the first to dance on his fucking grave.
You better get there before me, unless you like dancing in piss.
The joke's on both of you! Cap L will be dancing in piss soaked feces, because before you take a whizz on his grave, I will have already left a nice, eco-friendly "gift".
Guess I'll wear my old shoes.
The grass is always greener on a politicians grave.
You're Cap L? My hole world view is messed up now.
You didn't know that? Jesus, you're behind the timez.
When the new comment section came up it said capitol l was reserved and wouldn't let me use it. So I used this joke handle that I previously employed on Stossel threads. It was supposed to be temporary but I still can't get my old handle back, so you're stuck with this half-retarded, mostly psychotic doppelganger.
Hey, I just remembered that I wanted to ask you (or any other p-burghers with the knowledge).
I was thinking of going downtown of Friday to apply for my LTCF, and was wondering how long it takes.
I have work and class that and only have a few hours to get there and over to Oakland, should I take a day off? Or is it a ten minute thing?
I applied by mail as per these instructions. I don't know if they do the application in person.
They send you back a yellow card when you're approved, and you take the card in to the sheriff's office downtown. Mine took less than a week and they didn't call my refs, which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in the ability to filter out dangerous people.
According to PA law they have to say yes or no (with cause) within 45 days, though some jurisdictions (ie Philly) interpret that as 45 business days.
Oh, and the process once I brought the card in took about 15 minutes (they took my picture and produced the permit card). But I was the first one in when the office was opening on a weekday morning, so different times of day may take longer. There were already 3 other people waiting behind me when I got my permit.
Oh sweet, someone told me that they didn't process them by mail anymore.
I've checked out the application online before but didn't notice that you could mail it in.
This is gonna save me a lot of fucking hassle, because as you know getting in and out of downtown and over to Oakland at lunch time is a bitch and a half.
thx
What you heard is half right. You can send in the application by mail but you have to go downtown to pick up the permit.
At least, that's the way it worked when I got mine last year.
PS The best way to get between downtown and Oakland is by bike... Junction Hollow Trail + Eliza Furnace Trail.
A statist prick mobster that changed gang affiliation.
Meh.
Burn in hell, asshole.
Please tell me we're calling this "Mycroft".
I saw that article and thought, "Mikey! let's fling some rocks, buddy!"
I prefer the Heuristically Programmed ALgorithmic Computer, 9000 series.
Turn in your libertarian card!
Good riddance.
I believe you should always speak good of the dead. Arlen Specter is dead....good.
Specter was actually a registered Democrat from 1951 until 1966, until he decided to run for District Attorney for Philadelphia on the Republican ticket.
"As an ambitious young lawyer for the Warren Commission, he took credit for originating the theory that a single bullet, fired by a lone gunman, had killed President John F. Kennedy."
How can someone "originate" an objective truth that was universally accepted until a screwball Louisiana D.A. engaged in a nihilistic witchhunt which replaced objective truth with vapid fantasy?
He was probably the first person to put it forward as an explanation of the assassination.
I know Bugliosi addressed this in his book, which I don't have handy. But I believe his conclusion was that Specter appropriated the theory later to boost his cred for something.
Posted yesterday, posting again:
That kid was probably making a "furtive move" or some other such nonsense.
"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said.
So they didn't plan to drop a flash grenade through the window instead of knocking on the fucking door? It just kinda happened?
I think St. John should change his name to John Wayne Gacy or some less holy moniker.
Oh, and a giant eyeball washed ashore in Florida.
ANOTHER ONE??
Or is this the same fucking story for the SEVEN HUNDREDTH TIME HERE AT H ampersand R!??
Carry on.
Did someone else post the giant eyeball story?
I hope they did, becuase this is a story Americans need to hear!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
1) Sorry, but "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!" to Arlen Specter's death. Fuck him.
2) Way to go, derpfee. "Procedures were followed, blah blah blah..." At least it offered some additional entertainment from another shitstain besides Specter. What a goon.
One less scumbag plaguing the world with his existence. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
... originating the theory that a single [magical] bullet, fired by a lone gunman, had killed President John F. Kennedy.
Exactly, let's all remember that Specter put forth a theory that a single bullet accounted for several bullet wounds in JFK's body.
Arlen Specter, a man who made a career out of being a waste of space. HIstory should forget him by the end of business next thursday.
-jcr
The "R.I.P." in the header is a joke, I'm guessing.
Stay classy, kids.
I sure hope so. Peace? I wish there was a hell so that this motherfucker could be forced to spend the rest of eternity watching Ira Einhorn murder Holly Maddux over and over and over again.
Do violence fantasies help you get through your day?
How sad for you.
Arlen Specter or Jim Jeffords? - who will history regard as more abominable?
New York Times reasoning:
"One of the few remaining Republican moderates on Capitol Hill at a time when the party had turned sharply to the right, Mr. Specter confounded fellow Republicans at every turn. He unabashedly supported Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal, and championed biomedical and embryonic stem cell research long before he received his cancer diagnosis."
Whatever you may think about abortion and embryonic-destructive stem-cell research, is "moderate" really the first word you think of when you think of someone who supports Roe v. Wade?
I mean, even the folks here who believe abortion should be legal in certain cases don't go around claiming that *Roe* was some kind of reasonable, moderate interpretation of the Constitution. Many of the *Reason* arguments for abortion rights would, to be implemented, require the overruling of *Roe* (eg, brain-activity as the measure of when protectible life begins).
You have to live in NYTimes land to believe that "unabashed[] support[]" for Roe v. Wade is a moderate position.
Roe was a perfectly reasonable application of The Constitution. There was nothing moderate about that decision, thank goodness.
SO Phil Spector is still alive?
it's a good tasering video, because it gives a relatively broad context (before and after), shows attempts at deescalation, tec.
Let me guess- they yelled
STOP RESISTING!
1) Harsh alt-text is win.
2) Good riddance. I almost wish there was a hell for you to go to Specter but I know the nothingness of death is worse.
Or perhaps, true to his name, he will roam the earth as a disembodied spirit until things are set aright.
Yep, about 75% of the summary of Specter's life on the local news is covering his split with the GOP, lamenting that the GOP moved too far to the right for him to continue in their presence; the fact his career was ended by losing to Sestak in the Dem primary got one flerking sentence, while Sestak's political leanings (waaaay left wing) weren't even mentioned.
One minor note: they showed him giving an interview while he was doing chemo for his Hodgkins, looking horrible and gaunt and bald in 2008...where he was talking about how he would run in 2010 and 2016 and 2024 and still be younger than Strom Thurmond was when he was in office, so he had no plans to retire. I mean seriously? If it were me, and I had a sweet pension locked up like every senator does, I'd say forget this and go home and be comfortable without having to worry about screwing around in Congress. It's certainly not like Specter actually believed in a cause that only he could serve. Apart from fighting to legalize murder of the unborn, which was already a fait accompli by 2008, they aren't even mentioning any of his policy positions. But I imagine power and perceived importance are hard things to give up. Call it the Brett Favre syndrome.
Guys like Specter and Ted Kennedy are sociopaths at heart. They think that they're never going to die, that they're the most important people in the world, and that life itself will come to an end without them.
For what it is worth, Sen. Specter is the only old party politician who ever complimented me on my Libertarian Party necktie.