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Ron Paul on Gary Johnson: He Certainly Has A Lot Of Libertarian Views

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CHANTILLY, VA – Ron Paul doesn't plan to endorse anyone for president.

"I like people to make up their own minds," said Paul in a very short interview with Reason after speaking at the Liberty Political Action Conference in Chantilly, Virginia.

When asked if he planned on voting for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney he said he wasn't sure who he plans to vote for this fall. Paul struck a conciliatory tone when asked if Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson was an acceptable choice for his fans.

"Might be, I tell people to look at his record and he certainly has a lot of libertarian views. They should make up their own mind," he said.

Paul is still unhappy with what happened at the Republican National Convention but he wasn't surprised

"Politcs as usual," he said.

"I think that we weren't treated fairly. The Republican Party doesn't look real good and they alienated a lot (of people) and they were trying to win over some of our voters," he said

Paul was disappointed that his delegates were "messed around with" by the Republican establishment. "We should have had more delegates," he said.

Still, he sees a bright future for his libertarian movement.

"It was a lot better than the way I was treated four years ago, so we're making inroads. We did get some respect," he laughed.

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  1. Ron Paul would make one hell of a diplomat. The GOP establishment treated him and his delegates like dog shit and he still won’t tell them to go fuck themselves.

    I take that as a sop to Romneybot, whom personally treated Paul with respect and courtesy on the campaign trail. If some dickface like Titties or AssGrease would have gotten the nomination, methinks Paul’s reaction would have been very different.

    I also believe Romneybot will beg Ron Paul to be his SecTreas if he wins this fall.

    1. Ron Paul would make one hell of a diplomat.

      So you want Ron Paul to die?

      1. +1

      2. Diplomat to a Middle East country is the new Red Shirted ensign.

      3. *Smiles, shakes head*

    2. I also believe Romneybot will beg Ron Paul to be his SecTreas if he wins this fall.

      If you believe that, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Romney is going to practically ignore Paul, but he’ll do it with a smile and a wave so as not to offend the raving Paulites.

    3. A. He made a deal not to endorse anyone else to get his video played at the convention (an assumption on my part).

      B. Sec Treas? Wouldn’t they announce that before the election to try and pull libertarians from Johnson?

      1. B. I think they will do so, but they’re waiting until they need to use it. As of right now, all they need to do is let Obama continue screwing the proverbial pooch.

        2 weeks out, Romney announces his potential cabinet. And you’ll have Paul on it (assuming Paul accepts).

        1. Delusional thoughts from fantasy island.

          1. Oh yeah? Well you’ve got body odor!

            1. Not at the moment, no.

          2. Why is it fantasy? Romney will do anything to get elected and the polls aren’t too good for him.

            1. I’m pretty sure Romney and/or his team thinks that associating strongly with Paul would hurt them more than help them. Whispering praises or mimicking some of his rhetoric occasionally is what they’re doing.

        2. As of right now, all they need to do is let Obama continue screwing the proverbial pooch.

          I’d agree, but Obama still leads in the polls (up 5 today). I really cannot understand the polling data. I would think, for as fucked up as things are, he’d be down double digits. I don’t get it. Am I that far displaced from mainstream America?

          1. Am I that far displaced from mainstream America?

            No, but the polling data is. Look at the disparity in the number of Team Blue and Team Red people polled. The nation routinely says it is more conservative, yet somehow these polls almost always end up with 8-10% more liberals polled.

            1. That’s because Real Americans are too busy at their tractor pullz to be at home answering the phone for some Northern Yankee pollster.

              1. There’s a kernel of truth in that.

              2. Hope they don’t call me this afternoon. I’m going hunting.

            2. Really? I want to believe you’re right but wasn’t Obama about this far ahead of McCain? Didn’t lose then.

    4. I also believe Romneybot will beg Ron Paul to be his SecTreas if he wins this fall.

      I’ve advocated from the beginning that this is Paul’s best-suited position, not President. I also think that Obama will make Ron Paul his SecTreas before Romney does.

      But the thought sure is nice to savor.

    5. I also believe Romneybot will beg Ron Paul to be his SecTreas if he wins this fall.

      I think this is very unlikely, but if it does come to pass I will switch my vote from Johnson to Romney. Would any of you HyR fiends be similarly swayed?

      1. Probably not, Atanajuat, but that’s only because I live in TX—Romney’s winning here regardless—and the LP needs every vote they can to stay on the ballot here.

        I would if it were a swing state, despite the statistical insignificance of my individual vote. I just can’t ever see it happening.

      2. Nope. Because even if Paul was Sec Treas, if the economic shit hit the fan, it’d be “yeah, Ron that’s all well and good, but the polls say they expect the goverment to do something, so fuck you.”

        Maybe if they made him Fed chair. Maybe.

        1. Romney does not have the wherewithal to stand by Paul. He would throw him under a bus in a heartbeat.

          1. Exactly. BP overestimates Romney. That’s the nice thing about Romney: political glass jaw.

  2. Science Explains A2M

    Your post (#3258362) has been marked as spam by a third-party spam filter.

  3. Science Explains A2M

    Your post has been marked as spam by a third-party spam filter.

    Understandable, if still wrong.

  4. SCIENCE is there anything it can’t explain?

    Science Explains A2M

  5. Science explains A2M

    Let’s see if this newsworthy article makes it through the spam filter this time.

  6. Fucking SPAM filter

    science explains A2M

    http://seattle.cbslocal.com/20…..l-arousal/

  7. I’ve been declared persona non grata by the spam filter

    1. We’re all peasants to the spam filter god-king.

      1. Are you two revolting then?

        1. FWIW, I find them revolting.

      2. It won’t let me link to an important science news story

        SCIENCE EXPLAINS Ass-2-Mouth

        1. If I had a nickel for every moistened bint that lobbed a scimitar at me…

  8. OT: WTF is going on with Virginia Tech? Fucking Pitt lost to Youngstown State for crying out loud.

    1. WTF is going on with The OSU? Shouldn’t you guys, at home, be beating Cal by a little more than 6 in the middle of the 3rd? They lost to Nevada, for Chrissakes.

      1. Miller sucks. He just has no idea how to pass the ball properly. It’s either a rocket to a guy 5 yards away or a floater downfield.

        I’d like to see Guyton.

      2. I couldn’t be happier. I think they should just end the game right now.
        Of course, Cal was 1-10 my senior year so I do have pretty low expectations for them…

        1. If Cal could kick worth a shit, this game might actually get interesting.

          1. It would be tied up.

            tOSU doesn’t deserve to win. Their pass defense is awful, Miller is fucking awful and they’re taking stupid penalty after stupid penalty.

            If they were playing anyone worth a damn, they’s be getting crushed.

          2. It just got interesting.

          3. I was expecting a blowout, so I told my 4 year old that we could go watch the brushfire on the 405 freeway today. Now I don’t want to go…

            1. Oh, thank you Jesus! Thank you!

              1. Thank God Cal has a terrible kicker. tOSU is gona get their clock cleaned when they get into conference play in 2 weeks if they don’t dramatically improve.

                Meh, a win’s a win.

                1. The entire Big Ten is awful. Not a single team from the conference will end up in the top 10.

    2. I don’t follow football…

      …but I’m not gay.

  9. SCIENCE is there anything it can’t explain?

      1. Ha! It let the spam fake-link-shrinker through but not my fucking link to CBS NEWS

        1. Don’t click on the above one.

        2. What the hell is CBS NEWS? Some kind of virus?

          1. Apparently so.I can’t link to the damn story that sexual arousal reduces feelings of disgust in women.

            I could have told the scientists that for free.

            1. All that work and it’s old news anyway
              http://io9.com/5942916/sexuall…..disgusting

              1. Well, that explains ATM.

              2. Well the study could mean that sexual arousal reduces feelings of disgust. Or it could mean that woman who are aroused by porn are less disgusted by disgusting stuff. Just from the description in the article, this sounds like an incredibly badly designed experiment.

                1. Or it could mean that woman who are aroused by porn are less disgusted by disgusting stuff

                  Exactly what I thought. The study is flawed.

                  1. Except the women were randomly assigned to different groups. The women in the aroused group were chosen from the same pool as the non-aroused group and the control group. So there shouldn’t be any statistical difference between the three sample groups. This is basic study design, guys.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_assignment

                    1. By the way, the non-arousal group is more accurately described as the non-sexual arousal group. It isn’t the same as the control group:

                      Participants were healthy women… randomly allocated to one of three groups: the sexual arousal, the non-sexual positive arousal, or the neutral control group. Film clips were used to elicit the relevant mood state. Participants engaged in 16 behavioural tasks, involving sex related (e.g., lubricate the vibrator) and non-sex related (e.g., take a sip of juice with a large insect in the cup) stimuli, to measure the impact of sexual arousal on feelings of disgust and actual avoidance behaviour.

                    2. The way it’s written on io9 makes it seem like the women who were actually aroused was one group, and the women who were not was another group. They should have just said that one group was given erotica while the other was not.

                    3. Also, the porn itself could be the cause of lowered levels of disgust. The study assumes that the cause is sexual arousal caused by the porn.

                    4. Also, the porn itself could be the cause of lowered levels of disgust. The study assumes that the cause is sexual arousal caused by the porn.

                      I’m not sure what other reaction they would be having to the porn that would result in the lowered disgust. All three groups were shown film clips, but only one group was shown sexually arousing film clips. The non-sexually aroused group was shown a “more generally arousing film clip (positive arousal)”, while the control group was shown “a neutral film consisting of a train-ride exposed to different sceneries”. All three groups were then asked to rate their levels of sexual arousal. It certainly isn’t conclusive evidence, as you note: it is possible there was some other reaction to the porn that would have the effect of lowering their disgust. However, I’m at a loss as to what that reaction might be.

                    5. The way it’s written on io9 makes it seem like the women who were actually aroused was one group, and the women who were not was another group. They should have just said that one group was given erotica while the other was not.

                      They did.

                      To figure out what’s going on, the researchers divided the women up into three groups: those who would be sexually aroused (by the “female friendly erotica”), those who were not sexually aroused, and the third being a control group.

                      “Aroused” is being used as a verb here. They were all from the same group of 90 women, then were subdivided into 3 groups, the first of which would be sexually aroused by the erotica the researchers provided.

  10. Speaking of Libertarians, it occured to me this week that I hadn’t really heard anything about the Pennsylvania senate primary yet, so I decided to look up Tom Smith, and quickly eliminated him as a reasonable consideration. His only previous political experience is as a Democratic township supervisor and his campign strategy of trying to avoid taking a position on anything. On the issues where he has been pinned down, it’s the usual problems with the GOP: the only issues where he differs from Bob Casey Jr. are ones where the GOP is even worse.

    So then I go to look at the Libertarian Cadidate, Rayburn Smith, and pretty much this is the only thing I can find: “The ‘other’ Smith, 65, doesn’t have a campaign website ? he said he doesn’t have Internet at home ? doesn’t intend to fundraise and doesn’t have much negative to say about Casey or Tom Smith”

    Really? The entire state of Pennsylvania and THAT’S the best the LBP could come up with? Jesus Christ.

    1. Are you surprised? Penna has the LP and other third parties royally screwed with their rules. Note that Gary Johnson is still not guaranteed to be on the ballot there.

      Penna sucks for Libertarians.

      1. Penna, just sucks.

      2. I know, but it doesn’t help when your candidate is a joke to begin with. If that’s the best you can come up with, you might as well not even bother name a candidate, because it just ends up hurting the candidates that are actually putting effort into their run.

        1. My guess is they had a state-level position open and they’d rather have (L) on the ballot somewhere rather than it not being there at all.

          Since it costs nothing, I guess their thought is that it’s better than running an aggressive campaign and getting no return.

          And no, I don’t know if the Penna LP has a better candidate. I know there are a lot of good libertarians in that state because I witness them on here, but they’re not a part of the LP unfortunately.

    2. Tom Smith told me several days ago that he would refuse to vote for any deficit increase. That alone probably makes him a better choice for libertarians than Romney/Ryan who you know will not want to “shut down government” as their first act. Too bad the LP of Penna. couldn’t come up with some Senate candidate named Bob Casey!

      1. That alone probably makes him a better choice for libertarians than Romney/Ryan who you know will not want to “shut down government” as their first act.

        I disagree. It means he’s more interested in pointless grandstanding then the hard work of actually cutting spending.

        1. It means he’s more interested in pointless grandstanding then the hard work of actually cutting spending.

          How is saying he won’t vote to raise the deficit the same as saying he won’t vote to cut spending?

          1. Because he could vote for tax increases instead.

  11. These Chevy Volt commercials are insulting:

    “I go to the gas station such a small amount that I forget how to put gas in my car.”

    Really? By that logic, you have your period so infrequently, you forget how to insert a tampon.

    Your tax dollars at work here. Fuck!

    1. If you wanna forget how to put gas in your car, no need to buy a shitty car, just move to Oregon. I’ve been driving for 10 years and I still don’t know how to put gas in my car.

      1. So I drive up to Oregon from California and stop in Klammath Falls for gas. I get out of the car and walk over to the pump. Immediately half a dozen men run over to stop me. Creepy.

        1. K-Falls has a decent pizza place there, IIRC. And it’s a pretty town.

        2. They wee just trying to save you from a $500 fine.

          If you want stupid, check out the Oregon legislature’s 20 reasons for banning serve:

          http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/480.315

      2. Full Service pumps are great when it’s -40.

        1. -40 huh? It got 20 degrees here for a couple of days in a row last Winter but average in the day time for January hovered around fifty, maybe a little less.

        2. Mini-Serve, not Full.

  12. Rhode Island police chief convicted for stealing $714 from stripper in “pursuit.” Sentenced to 5 years with 4-1/2 of it suspended. Not only that, but the judge stayed the ruling while he files his appeal.

    It gets better. He’s not been fired, but he is suspended.

  13. Watching Forrest Gump on Showtime. It is a good movie and easy to watch, but how the hell did it win all those Oscars over The Shawshank Redemption?

    1. Maybe because Forrest didn’t use a suit and shoes from a man 12 inches shorter than him as a major plot device.

      Or maybe this explains it.

      1. Maybe because Forrest didn’t use a suit and shoes from a man 12 inches shorter than him as a major plot device.

        Yeah, but Morgan Freeman was narrating the story, so it must be true.

        And Forrest was only partially retarded, he could still charm the pants off of Nixon. The biggest problem with the movie was Robin Penn, who they dumped every flaw of the Baby Boomer generation on, from drug addiction to dying from AIDS.

        1. My nieces were kids back then and they would watch the damn movie everyday one summer. No! No! You are suppose to hate the boomers, little ones, for the burden of cliche history they weighed down on our shoulders. But, for them Forrest and Jenny was the ultimate tale of unrequited love. Foolish girls.

          1. Okay, the requited that love one time and got a boy out of it, but same difference.

      2. Just don’t go full retard.

    2. Or Pulp Fiction, for that matter. I completely forgot that Shawshank came out the same year.

      Because the Oscars are bland, is my guess.

      The one that gets me is Shakespeare in Love beating Saving Private Ryan. As old as the Academy is, and all of the hagiography surrounding the Greatest Generation, to lose to a decent romantic costume drama was really perplexing. Granted, SPR goes down the crapper after the first 90 minutes, but those first 90 minutes are absolutely amazing.

      1. SPR deserved Best Director, which I think Spielberg won, but it wasn’t even the best war movie that year. Malick’s The Thin Red Line was just as harrowing as SPR without the sappy sentimentalilty that Steve insist on drenching all his movies with.

        1. Thin Red Line was the most beautifully shot war movie that year, at least. Not sure if it was better than SPR, though he did convey the, “What is the point of all of this shit, again?” that’s an essential part of modern war stories. Totally agree with you on the schmaltz. What’s the last movie where Spielberg didn’t really do that? Jaws? Even there, he let Brody live. (Hopper, too, IIRC, and unlike the book.)

          Malick always struck me more as a frustrated travel cinematographer than a director.

          1. I’m ambivalent about Malick, his movies tend to be unfocused to their detriment, but his movies at least are original and rewarding to the patient viewer.

            But while Spielberg celebrated the heroism of the Greatest Generation, Malick basically depicted war for what it really is: two groups of men slaguhtering each other over a piece of land that just doesn’t give a shit.

        2. Top 10 grossing films of 1998:
          Armageddon
          SPR
          God-fucking-zilla
          There’s Something About Mary
          A Bug’s Life
          Deep Impact
          Mulan
          Dr Doolittle
          Shakespeare In Love
          Lethal Weapon 4

          The Thin Red Line was in the 1999 awards group.

          1. Here’s the complete list of nominations for the 71st Academy Awards, which included both TRL and SPR.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/71st_Academy_Awards

            Surprised The Truman Show was snubbed that year for Best Actor for Carrey and Best Picture.

            1. You’re right. I had my years screwed up. Wow, that was actually a decent year for movies. TRL shouldn’t have been shut out, but it was pretty solid competition.

        3. Fucking love that movie.

          1. Thin Red Line

    3. I actually hated Gump, so I have no idea.

      1. Worst movie ever with Tom Hanks. Wait I forgot about Bonfire. 2nd worst movie starring Hanks.

        1. Polar Express?

          1. I’m gonna fill you guys in on a little tidbit of information you may be unaware of: Tom Hanks was in Bonfire Of The Vanities, which may be not only the worst movie adaptation of a book, but it may actually be the worst American film ever made.

            1. Battlefield Earth laughs at your attempt to make a shitty movie.

              1. I’ll see your Battlefield Earth and raise you one Highlander II: The Quickening.

                1. There can only be one!!!

                  1. In a just world, there would have been only one.

                    1. You’re just not cool enough top be married to a Japanese princess named Shakiko.

                    2. Was watching Highlander just the other night. It’s a great movie, but it is amazing what we thought was good movie swordsmanship in 1986.

                    3. How about that guy doing backflips in the parking garage? That shit looks deadly.

  14. I’ve been thinking about voting for Johnson, but gosh if Paul won’t endorse him maybe I shouldn’t. /sarc

  15. Wareagle can come off suicide watch now. Auburn beats LA-Monroe in overtime.

  16. “It was a lot better than the way I was treated four years ago, so we’re making inroads. We did get some respect,” he laughed.

    True that. Conventional wisdom was very much pro Fed in ’08. From the standpoint of ’12, it is a very different scene. only David Frum, that Mad Money guy Kramer, what a loser, and an imbecile that trolls this board claim that Bernanke’s policy has been a success (hint, idiots, any Fed chairman can increase the loot that banker roll around in, that is not what defines the success of Fed policy). Even Bernanke sounds like a self hating junkie who knows he has problem but doesn’t have the willpower to quit.

    1. Kramer’s right if he’s just talking stocks. QEs are the only reason why they’re not in the tank.

      1. I caught his show the night the latest round was announced. He was deeply in the positive for the economy territory. Otherwise i would have left him alone.

    2. If Romney were to put Paul in Treas Sec it would almost be worth voting R/R for Frum’s tears. His happiness at R/R winning would be washed out by Paul’s crazy ideas on not becoming a third world shithole winning out.

  17. I can actually see Paul being put in as Treasury Secretary or FED chair. Romney has been calling out Bernanke quite a bit lately, and said he would replace him.

    Bernanke really pissed me off ,more than usual, with his latest stunt. Was it because Romney has expressed his new found disdain for Uncle Ben? Dunno.

    I must say though, if Ron is appointed to Treasury Secretary or is asked to be FED Chairman, I will peel off all my Gary Johnson bumper stickers.

    OFF TOPIC: Ben Bernanke grew up about 30 mins away from my little South Carolina hometown.

    1. Isn’t Helicopter Ben from South of the Border?

      OT; Ben Bernanke, Paul Krugman and SIV were all National Merit Semi-Finalists.

      1. Yep, Pancho wearing and all.

      2. OT: Yeah, well so was Jim Cramer (since he was mentioned earlier), according to this.

        I got a National Merit Scholarship, and while the money was nice, it just means I scored well on a test and had a few extracurricular activities I could put on my scholarship application. Judging from some of the names on the list, it’s not a very good measure of “merit”.

    2. From yesterday, Ben Bernanke at work
      http://panzner.typepad.com/.a/…..cf8970b-pi

      1. If there was a “like” button here..

        1. Replace that stick with a stack of cash and you’ve got a new meme.

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