Newsweek Writer: "We have this 'liberty' business completely backward in this country, and if Bloomberg can start rebalancing individual freedom and the public good, God bless him, I say."
In a stunningly awful column, Newsweek/Daily Beast contributing editor Michael Tomasky continues his war on the libertarian-conservative fetish for "liberty" by charging that Americans have far too much of the stuff already:
There's only one way to say something like this, and it's loud and proud and without apology: I wholeheartedly support Mike Bloomberg's war on sugar. It's unassailable as policy. Refined sugar is without question the worst foodstuff in the world for human health, and high-fructose corn syrup is little better. We are a fat country getting fatter and fatter, and these mountains of refined sugar that people ingest are a big part of the reason. The costs to the health-care system are enormous, so the public interest here is ridiculously obvious. Obesity is a killer. Are we to do nothing, in the name of the "liberty" that entitles millions of people to kill themselves however they please, whatever their diabetes treatments costs their insurers? We have this "liberty" business completely backward in this country, and if Bloomberg can start rebalancing individual freedom and the public good, God bless him, I say.
It's a policy designed to guide people toward a certain kind of behavior. This talk of "freedom" is absurd. No one's freedom is being taken away. When the rule goes into effect, probably by September, assuming the city's board of health votes it through (it's appointed by the mayor), New Yorkers will still be able to buy these beverages. And those who really feel that they will perish unless they have 32 ounces of Mountain Dew Code Red can simply buy two. Nothing is being banned, and no one's being arrested.
Are bacon-cheeseburgers next? As a practical matter, no. Sodas are an easy target because there is nothing, nothing, nutritionally redeeming about them. But might there come a day when the New York City Department of Health mandates that burgers be limited to, say, four ounces? Indeed there might. And why not? Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.
We have a health crisis in this country. A country with half of its adults living in a condition of obesity is a sick country, quite literally, spending probably not billions but trillions on the associated illnesses and maladies. Under such conditions, the state has every right to take action on behalf of the common good. We once had an epidemic of traffic deaths. We didn't ban driving. But we came up with a device that is a minor inconvenience at most. And so seatbelts became mandatory, and now the epidemic has receded. A few people still foolishly oppose seatbelts. But most of us accept them and understand that whatever little dollop of our freedom is taken away as we latch up is more than countervailed by the practical upside.
The kicker is the best part:
One day, if the country comes to its senses, we'll reverse the obesity trend and, just as we now chuckle at the prevalence of smoking on Mad Men, we'll say, "Can you believe people used to peddle this treacle in 64-ounce doses?" We will not only have done something about obesity. We'll have won an important victory over Libertarianism Gone Wild, a far bigger threat to society than even Sunkist Orange.
Previously, Tomasky railed against the "right's 'freedom fetish.'" I quote: "This 'freedom' business is simply paranoid and delusional. I defy anyone to name for me a specific and precise freedom that Obama has taken away from the American people. You can't. When they're not just invented out of whole cloth by multi-millionaire propagandists, all such laments are based on ignorance about what freedom actually means and an equal ignorance about how our system of government works."
With a gruffer yet equally well-reasoned defense of Bloomberg's soda ban, here's Drew Magary at Gawker:
New York city residents were already fully aware that Bloomberg was prone to implementing drastic public health measures, like the 2003 ban on smoking in bars. And yet, they re-elected him. In other words, New Yorkers were FREE to vote for the man who installed laws that they apparently considered both sane and reasonable. That's how democracy works. Democracy is not OH MY GOD THESE LAWS WILL MAKE US PUSSIES! Democracy is people working together to sort out just what the rules of society should be. Obviously, this process is labored and often hilariously corrupt, but that's what living in a "free country" is supposed to mean. It doesn't mean that you get to grab a gun and storm City Hall just because you think a soda ban is some kind of sign of the End Times. It's fucking soda. Don't be such a pussy that you can't live without a 42 oz. cup of the shit. If you're the type to flip out just because you can't have that, then who's the real pussy?
For something more sensible, read liberty-loving freedom-fanatic Baylen Linnekin on Bloomberg's history of "regulating city residents within an inch of their lives."
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I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Seconded.
Really? I look forward to sticking around just to see people like Tomasky proven to be the fools they are.
Sometimes things like this get you down, but then you just need to take a deep breath, relax, and realize that freedom always wins.
Do you really think the soda ban will work? People like Tomasky and Bloomberg help liberty by fostering a healthy disrespect for authority and contempt for the law.
Jasno, I, too, cannot wait for the day "to see people like Tomasky proven to be the fools they are." But history proves we may be waiting a long time. Unlike libertarians or (to a lesser extent) conservatives rampant statist liberal fucktards like Tomaskey who fetishize totalitarianism in the name of the "greater good" (as they always will) are absolutely, utterly and irreversibly IMPERVIOUS to logic and evidence. NO amount of failure on the part of their public policies will EVER EVER EVER convince them that they were wrong. No, it will just convince them that "we didn't go far enough". (See Krugman on the stimulus, Schumer on gun control, Barney Frank on taxes, etc.) The utter failure of their public policy prescriptions is ONLY proof of the necessity of further application of those prescriptions until they work. NOT evidence of wrongheaded thinking. NOT evidence of perverse incentives. NOT evidence of economic illiteracy or a complete failure to grasp the concept of "unintended consequences". NO, they will never stand up and say "I was wrong". NEVER. And to think that the incredibly liberal media would hold Nanny Bloomberg or Tomaskey to account (or they themselves would ) is , I am sorry to say, almost unforgivably naive.
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
^This^
+1
What a jerk - in both senses of the word.
Wait, we have to bring the other drop ship down from the Sulaco to take us off first.
Where's Bishop when we need him?
Why should we change? They're the ones who suck.
Unfortunately, there are a lot more of them than there are of us.
That's why the Good Lord saw fit to invent six-round cylinders and 8+1 magazines, my dear boy!
You have that right. Sugar, "the worst foodstuff in the world", has nothing to do with diet cola. This is about pushing people around and laughing in their faces.
Boom. Perfect.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
I don't want Tomasky to live on this planet anymore.
Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.
Where's General Pinochet when we need him?
Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.
Where's General Pinochet when we need him?
The rise in carb consumption has tracked very nicely with a fall in fat consumption. These self-appointed keepers of the public diet need to bother to learn where the science is really going instead of just listening to Jillian Michaels and Dr. Oz. Toss out the bread, fries and soda, and those 8+ oz. burgers are part of the solution.
SOMEONE. PLEASE. END. NEWSWEAK. NAO.
Tomasky's hard at work on it. Tina Brown's helping. Don't worry, it'll be dead soon enough.
I wonder if the next fire sale at that rag will see the price drop in half, to $0.50.
Gawker is pretty much a sanctuary for totalitarian assholes.
Gawker has always been awful when it comes to opinions and comments, but it hardly posts any content now either. Why does it still exist? It only detracts from their half decent websites.
It exists for the same reason sanitary sewers exist - to capture, cabin, and carry away all the shit so the rest of us don't have to smell it.
Unfortunately Pareene still escaped to salon.
And why not? Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.
Tomasky seems to think 4-ounce burgers are fine, but 8-ounce burgers are sick. I wonder at what exact measurement, between 4 oz and 8 oz, a burger moves from acceptable to Dear Leader Tomasky and becomes a libertarian scourge that plagues the land and kills millions of helpless innocents.
It really tells you that these guys don't want to stop until you're eating low-protein gruel and drinking water in a 1 oz cups (cause ya know too much water can kill you).
Apparently Tomasky is not a fan of the primal diet.
Don't tell godesky.
And, once again, if Doomberg outlaws 8-oz burgers, couldn't you just buy two 4-oz ones?
*head explodes*
The funny thing would be that a pair of 4 ounce burgers would be worse for you because of the extra sugar and starches in the bun and condiments.
Not to mention the extra cost.
Then it's time for an all-out all-bacon diet, I say.
I like bacon.
I make my own bacon, and from my cold, dead, greasy fingers, mothafukka.
(cause ya know too much water can kill you)
Mike Royko, back in 1996 on a company that felt compelled to compile an OSHA "material safety data sheet" on water. Read for the bit on overexposure.
They sure as hell fucked up the respiratory hazard part. DHMO can be fatal to breathe in large quantities.
I'm pretty sure that's not real. Details like "protect from freezing" stand out as there's no need to protect water from freezing.
Water changes density when it freezes, possibly rupturing its container, which means you could lose that water once it melts. Protection from freezing? No. Protection from loss because of freezing? Yes.
Too much water can kill you:
http://www.scientificamerican......r-can-kill
Because a 45 lb. child and Shaq should eat the exact same size serving. Shaq just needs to buy 7 or 8 of them.
Fuck these cunts.
succinctly put.
There are 3 kinds of people: pussies, dicks and assholes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA
Worst. Movie. Ever.
Worst. Comment. Ever.
There's only one way to say something like this, and it's loud and proud and without apology.....
I wholeheartedly endorse this message
Benito Mussolini
I have often wondered why conservatives hate freedom so much.
Sunday alcohol bans, Meese Commission, contraception/abortion, Embryonic Stem Cell Research bans, Blue Laws, voting restrictions/poll taxes, interracial marriage, gay marriage, sodomy laws, speech limitations (obscenity) and the like.
I know libertarians agree.
Sunday alcohol bans
IIRC, Connecticut is the only state left which entirely bans Sunday sales.
I know when I think of "conservative states", Connecticut is the first to come to mind.
Many counties here in the South ban alcohol sales altogether (or did when I was drinking it).
Many counties here in the South ban alcohol sales altogether
Which county in particular? There are quite a few counties in "the South."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....U.S._state
Oh, dear shrikey-poo, this explains so much. Nothing is as self-righteous than a reformed alcoholic. Tell me, just how did you get through AA with all the christfags telling you you had to believe to be saved from TEH EVUL BOOZE?
AA? Don't make me laugh.
I'm dieting. The temporary stoppage of my alcohol intake is pure vanity.
Dieting isn't going to do anything for your fugass face, Mary.
That's not Mary... that's shrike.
You're buying it? She loves fooling people into thinking she is someone else, hence the all too obvious soro.org in her handle name.
"Bushpigs" and the feigned Goldwater love = this is shrike, not Mary.
She knows his usage like you and I do. This is a creative writing assignment in her mind. Takes her back to the days when she read her Silvia Plath knock offs to the other mongoloids in the MFA program to much applause.
Then Mary had to do some studying of shrike's old posts. Seems like a lot of work.
I'm well aware that there are still dry counties and a map is not "particular," shriek.
If you need your fermented teat on Sunday, stock up on Saturday or move to Somalia a wet county.
You don't even have to move to a wet county thanks to this awesome invention called the automobile.
It allows you to travel from one destination to another in a timely manner. And it has a trunk where you can put your alcohol in case Johnny Law pulls you over.
And it has a trunk where you can put your alcohol in case Johnny Law pulls you over.
Which offers exactly how much protection anymore?
And what if my drinking buddies show up, unannounced, on Sunday, no beer, and we have to blow 2 hrs on the round trip to the reasonable county/state/villiage?
Banning Sunday alcohol sales is as indefensible as banning Sunday Twinkie sales. I mean, you can always just stock up on Sat or fill your trunk up 30 miles out on Sun.
Or our overlords can just back the fuck off, balance a dog nmad budget, and maybe clean up a street or two for us.
I always thought it was funny that, in the county I live in, you could buy and consume as much beer as you wanted on Sunday but you couldn't buy a drop of liquor unless you went to a bar.
Luckily, if we find ourselves without booze on a Sunday (which happens more during football season) it's only a 20 minute drive to Louisiana where we can buy gallons of vodka to tide us over.
Garrard County in KY just legalized alcohol sales a couple of years ago, and there's a vote again this year to try and end it.
Dry counties exist. They're all over the Kentucky.
Of course moonshine, much of it fantastic, is also prevalent in said counties.
Dry counties exist. They're all over the Kentucky.
Of course moonshine, much of it fantastic, is also prevalent in said counties.
Funny how that works.
I see it as a feature not a bug. In places where alcohol is aplenty, shine doesn't exist (or is in very small quantities). I hail, originally from Miami where I can get alcohol whenever I want. Here in dry Jessamine county KY, where I can't buy beer at the grocery store (or a liquor store unless I drive to Nicholasville), shine is plentiful. Luckily for me, I prefer it to virtually any other kind of liquor and there's reason for distillers to continuously make their product better.
It's the most libertarian of all alcohols.
Yeah, but you know who really likes dry counties? The liquor store owner in the next county over. It keeps the potential competition down, you know?
Brazoria County in Texas does. Or at least hard liquor stores. On the other hand, you can buy as large a soda there as you can find someone willing to sell you, so Palin's Buttplug is, as usual, a strawman-burning moron.
Not to mention that these dry counties were made and kept dry when they were staunchly Blue. Now that they're trending Red, they're liberalizing.
That is why I specifically said states.
Im in KY, I know how much things differ from county to county. But Sunday sales arent either a conservative or liberal thing.
If you're in KY, how do you get any traction?
Like you can't go a day without buying booze. Pick it up Saturday.
Dumbass.
I prefer beer over Mountain Dew. I guess that makes me a "socialist".
You're too big a pussy to drink beer, shrike.
I'd bet five bucks you drink Seagram's Jamaican Me Happy "coolers", or Bartles Jaymes "Sangria".
That made me laugh.
I very rarely drink (just don't like it), but when I do I only drink shine. Fancy that.
Funny enough, my summer thirst quencher is a mix of two parts unsweetened lime seltzer to one part ultra light American lager. I keep the stuff in a pitcher, and it's pretty awesome. I only drink a sugar (Sugar In The Raw for that extra taste) coffee in the morning to get me going; beyond that, very little processed sugar in my diet. I have cost the health care industry nothing in my forty four years, given my test and the one time I required stitches came out of my pocket. I have contributed several thousand dollars to it. Yet, somehow, I still find it to be none of my business if someone wants to drink a soda.
The left doesn't really give a shit about the health issue. If they did, they would have been alarmed by the waste in Medicaid and Medicare decades ago. This is a matter of subjective aesthetics and social power to them.
The Europeans are supposedly skinnier, and that bothers them and tweaks the inferiority complex. A voice in their heads that tells them they are living in a bumfuck nation compared to those Scandinavians, and it is all the fault of those red state slobs they have to apologize for to their betters. Adjusted by race, however, Europeans are not skinnier, nor living 'healthier.' Yet, somehow, I don't see them advocating banning grape sodas anytime soon.
a mix of two parts unsweetened lime seltzer to one part ultra light American lager.
And it sounds Grrrrrrreat!
Thanks for the link. I can't decide which of those combos sound the best, I'll just have to try them all.
Woosh.
That was you missing the point.
He can't see the point because it's on top of his head.
No... what makes you a socialist, is your constant Obama-fellation, *shrike*.
Nutmeg State bible-beaters are the worst...
Bloomberg isn't your typical right-wing Republican, PB. Your argument doesn't fit him.
I said "conservative", not Republican. No one thinks Bloomberg is such.
In your world, *shrike*, Republican = conservative. You've beaten that horse to death many, many, MANY times.
Why can't you just stay the fuck away?
Bullshit. I admire Barry Goldwater and would vote for him. He told the Fundies to go fuck themselves for example.
Like Hayek I hate CONSERVATIVES and not Republicans.
Bullshit on your bullshit. Goldwater was a conservative; his ONLY saving grace was telling the fundies to self-fuck.
But do go back to fellating Team Blue. It amuses us.
Idiot. Goldwater was pro-choice, pro gay rights, and pro-environment.
The nutcase Teabaggers today would call him a "socialist".
"Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass." - Goldwater.
I admire him so fuck you in the ear.
By YOUR standards, Goldwater should be TOO far to the right.
Go back to daydreaming about being ass-fucked by the president. You're more in your element there.
So why do you grief-troll a libertarian site? Shouldn't you be on Hot Air if you just hate those religious-fundie conservatives?
shrike, I have to wonder why on a thread about a liberal republican, you felt the need to say "I have often wondered why conservatives hate freedom so much."
Who was talking about conservatives before you were?
Because the writer absurdly mentioned a "conservative fetish for liberty" when there is no such thing.
Conservatives use the word a lot but don't know its meaning.
Then conservatives like Fr. FUBR above pretend to be libertarian.
Fuck you, shrike.
Seriously, though... do you really think Team Blue gives a shit about liberty?
Other than gay marriage and abortion, that is... those are the only Team Blue liberty exceptions.
Which reminds me... you're still voting for Obama, right?
The writer being criticized briefly mentioned it, so you needed to pound your personal drumbeat out a little more?
Connecticut no longer bans sales off-premises on Sundays, as of May 20. I live in Minnesota, and we still ban off-premises sales on Sunday statewide.
When our city council sought to remove our local ordinance for "no sales after 8 pm", the established liquor stores threw a fit about how they would have to stay open later to compete. Their arguments completely embodied the anti-competition arguments Hayek mentions in "Road to Serfdom". It isn't a religious thing so much as a "status quo" thing, though religion's a part of it (my town is heavily Somali).
my town is heavily Somali
No roads huh? Bummer.
It's a libertarian paradise, as you could imagine. I mean, without government, who will build the roads?
Connecticut started selling alcohol two Sundays ago. They only sell it until 5:00, which my hockey team unfortunately found out because it was a CT resident's turn to buy the beer, and he was about 40 minutes too late.
According to Drew Magary, all of those laws are perfectly legitimate since people voted for them.
According to Drew Magary, all of those laws are perfectly legitimate since people voted for them.
Palin's Buttplug|6.3.12 @ 10:42PM|#
"I have often wondered why conservatives hate freedom so much."
I've wondered the same about liberals.
Sunday alcohol bans,"
OK,
"Meese Commission,"
You mean how lefty 'fenminists' agree that porn is bad? That sort of conservative?
"contraception/abortion,"
Uh, sort of conflating opposing to opposing paying for it, aren't you?
"Embryonic Stem Cell Research bans"
Uh, sort of conflating opposing to opposing paying for it, aren't you?
"Blue Laws, voting restrictions/poll taxes, interracial marriage, gay marriage, sodomy laws,"
OK.
"speech limitations (obscenity) and the like.
And speech limitations (Citizens United) and the like?
You get a 2.0, just cause you're not totally an asshole. Not like you ain't trying...
"I know libertarians agree."
Sometimes people dont know everything they think they know.
If someone kidnapped Tomasky and smuggled him out of the country and sold him into slavery in some place where that can still happen, I would fall down laughing.
And feel bad about it.
Maybe.
And feel bad about it.
For the person who bought him. I know I feel bad for people who buy malfunctioning merchandise.
Finally, someone speaking honestly.
Where, Nando? Point out the honesty.
It sure as fuck isn't at Newsweek, so you must be talking about another source.
Maybe he meant candidly. Usually the leftist arguments are buried in platitudes about society, children, etc. and not so baldly "fuck you, that's why".
Nando never says anything honestly, so he must have been doing his semi-regular verbal public fellation of Team Blue.
Then again, shrike does the same thing.
I think the piece is honest, but it's honest in the same way a wino saying he feels spiders crawling all over his body is honest.
Fuck off slaver!
Are we to do nothing, in the name of the "liberty" that entitles millions of people to kill themselves however they please, whatever their diabetes treatments costs their insurers?
Upon returning from a fine diner party where too much food and way too much fine wine was consumed, I can only ask "will someone please shoot this muther fucker?"
I AM the person that this muther fucker hates. Middle-aged, overweight, and clearly a burden on society. Of course, you have to ignore the six-figure income and the 16 patents and the big house and the fast car . . clearly I am the enemy of the state because I drink Throwback Mountain Dew and I am fat.
Fuck Michael Tomasky in the ass with a splintered baseball bat.
Funny how liberals are all "pro-choice"-y, but only on abortion and gay marriage...
No, wait. It's NOT funny.
For Tomasky, it is a matter of moral impertive. They know the right way for all of us to live, it's just a matter of forcing us all to behave the right way.
They are no different that social conservatives that want to control who fucks whom and under what circumstances.
They only care about those issues because it allows them to appear to be different then the Republicans.
If a new ideology took over the core of the Republican party and began expressing support for abortion and gay marriage rights, I have zero doubts that the left would either abandon those issues or come to incrementally oppose them.
You're right, Brendan.
Unfortunately, you're right.
I say that most liberals who are "pro-choice" are really pro-abortion. I say that not only because it's more accurate but really because it pisses them off.
Or pro-"ending a life at its most innocent and vulnerable point of existence".
Funny how dipshits like Tomasky get pissed off at other people, when he's the one who wants to pay their healthcare costs in the first place. Stop forcing yourself to pay for my healthcare, Micheal Tomasky!
Are we to do nothing, in the name of the "liberty" that entitles millions of people to kill themselves however they please, whatever their diabetes treatments costs their insurers?
Yes and yes to both parts of that compound question. The bitch about liberty is that having it allows for you to make the wrong damn decision. And if your insurers find your "porcinity" (look at Tomasky and his big thesaurus, mines is at least two inches longer), they can drop you from the actuarial pool. Or if the other people in the actuarial pool find covering fatties with TEH DIABEETUS that objectionable, they can find other health insurance plans.
A few of us outlaws (as of 2014) and totally irresponsible types somehow manage to not cut our own heads off or gorge ourselves to death without an insurance card in our wallets or Commissar Bloomberg telling us what not to consume.
they can drop you from the actuarial pool.
Well, before Obamacare they could.
Forcing you into their scheme is the excuse they need to regulate every aspect of your life. It's coming. Get ready for it.
You were in the big house?
in their mind actually denotes you as
and are
Remember: as a productive member of society who lives well, you owe it to the state those less fortunate to hand much of what you've earned over. If you don't do so willingly, you are a thief and a racist, and will be made to do so anyway.
The patents might fall in the liability column, especially if they are business process (software) patents.
Just saying, but thanks anyway for your contributions, fatass. j/k
"I can only ask "will someone please shoot this muther fucker?" "
What a coincidence Kinnath, the very same question popped into my head when I read the first sentence of the article.
He could have saved himself a lot of typing by just writing;
Freedom is Slavery.
Tomasky has no interest in the truth. According to his Wikipedia entry -
"As I've written many times, Democrats in general still tend to think that you win political fights by having superior arguments. This of course is manifestly not true. You win political arguments by framing the question the media decide to take up. That means being aggressive in your framing, creating conflict (which the media love), and making sure that reporters will go to the other side and ask them well, how do you respond to this?"
At least he's consistent.
In other words, Democrats can't make their point in a straightforward fashion, they have to play games and engage in spin in order to trick people into giving weak counterarguments.
Yeah, he's a trustworthy guy and definitely someone who should be taken seriously.
Say it loud and say it proud: NOTHING MATTERS AS LONG AS MY TEAM WINS!
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I love you reason, but please fix your fucking squirrels. It hard enough to post when you're drunk. It's just that much harder when the squirrels delete your finest observations.
It's fuckin' Sunday night at 11 o'clock. We're trying to get our drink on. What the fuck do you want?
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I've been told that for ~5000 +/- years of human history, emaciation and starvation were pretty much the norm. If that is so, then obesity would be a better problem in contrast. I guess little Stalin (Bloomberg) nor Thomasky thought about that. Apparently our pseudo-communist intellectual superiors will stop at nothing to recreate "the new man", because it's good for us. Obviously society is just too fucking stupid to practice any self-control and curb its baser instincts. Thankfully comrade Bloomberg can stand above the fray and dictate a moronic feel good policy (foor da childrunz) that makes great sense until you think about it for longer than 0.001 seconds. Apparently some proles are just too god dammed dense to understand this, fortunately there's visionaries like Thomasky to succinctly dumb it down for us. Both of these two are real credits to humanity. Now if they would both kindly drink a 16oz cups of diet antifreeze, we would be well on our way to that social utopia we all dream of.
Need to add a couple of zeroes.
True
If only government had banned high fat foods back in the day and forced people to the eat carb rich diets they were promoting, we would have slain this obesity problem already.
/sarc?
"I wholeheartedly support Mike Bloomberg's war on sugar."
Goody for you, asshole.
"It's unassailable as policy."
Only to assholes.
This man deserves to be laughed out of free society. He has too many choices; too many freedoms. I suggest people who provide the things he wants begin refusing him all but the most basic of sustenance.
THIS is a fantastic idea.
Distribute his picture to merchant's associations for them to distribute to members, and they can hang it up in the badcheckphotos area.
"Do Not Serve This Sorry Excuse for a Human."
Send him back to Britain.
We once had an epidemic of traffic deaths. We didn't ban driving. But we came up with a device that is a minor inconvenience at most. And so seatbelts became mandatory, and now the epidemic has receded.
Why yes, there was an epidemic of auto related deaths in the 1970's. Glad you brought that up. What suddenly happened in the 1970's that brought it about? Libertarians with our fuel standard demands for fuel efficiency, explosion in inflationary Fed policies, and energy policies that created shortages resulting in miles long lines for gas resulted in the introduction of tin can death on wheels mobiles that replaced all-American steel engraved highway cruising tanks. Oh, no, that's right, it was your Goddamned establishment that insisted on those changes, Tomasky. Seat belts, a government solution to a government created problem! And libertarians say government doesn't work. Fuck off, slaver.
And now, the re-write because it's not like Michael has written a vague, mealy-mouthed paean to Soviet-style governance with a helping of "correlation equals causation and fuck you, I don't have to prove it."
This might be a true statement. Who wants to rub one out for 8 minutes?
I say split it into two separate 4-min sessions movies? It's just like free refills!
If Tomasky is worried about how much money is being spent on the obese, then he should be all in favor of allowing insurance companies to charge more for insuring obese people. That way, obese people pay for their own health costs, thus giving them incentives not to drink copious amounts of sugared drinks, making a law banning such drinks unnecessary.
That is, of course, if Tomasky sees laws banning certain foods and drinks as a means, and not an end. I'm not sure he does.
I knew Gawker was bad, but I had no idea how baaaaaad it really was. Those comments are the wretched refuse of the most pitiable, plebian, pedestrian State Copulators I have witnessed in a long, long time.
Which reminds me... shrike is back.
I would replace just about every commenter in that Gawker thread with a shrike clone. Seriously, if you wonder how much of an abyss a place can become, take a gander.
I suffered through exactly five Gawker comments... it made me want to pull my own head off.
Which reminds me... shrike is back.
"Democracy is people working together to sort out just what the rules of society should be."
Roughly 51% of the people to be specific, the other 49% get fucked.
For the first time since registration, I had to update my incif file today.
Not bad, much larger gap between changes from before.
Oh my god Drew Magary you are so full of shit.
Let's set aside for the moment the fact that you get on your knees for the State. That's secondary. A lot of people do, and it's a flaw that can be fixed. But check this shit:
OMFG. Dude, can someone please call Drew Magary out on this blatant bullshit?
That would be a tremendously expensive way to clean a truck.
Cheaper to just use dilute phosphoric acid (but that's a terrible idea for all the reasons that nobody would ever use Coke).
More to the point, you leave that tape residue on the floor so the parcels don't slide around as much.
Supersize me! Its disgusting. It just plays and preys on peoples inherent human nature to go bigger because of mor "value" even though you don't need it.
Fuck you, Nando.
Seriously, Nando... you fuckers view full-grown adults like they were three-year-olds.
Fuck you.
Judging by the obesity epidemic, people can't make the right decisions for themselves.
So... no one should be allowed to make any decisions for themselves.
Got it.
Like children, once individuals start showing some responsibility then they can get some independence.
Trouble is, useless measures like Bloomberg's latest never lead to "independence".
Don't worry, man. Government mandate always leads to independence.
Independence from individual decision-making, you mean.
Well, yeah.
And it's the unstated (but hinted-at) goal of the Teams, to remove us from the burden of being individuals.
Meanwhile, the fools who slavishly vote R or D, lap it up, which causes the brain damage.
So, your bottom line is that if people demonstrate that they will behave only as you want them to, then they can be "free" to behave otherwise.
Who will be setting the markers for what is "responsible"?
Because I know a whole bunch of motherfuckers who think not going to church is pretty irresponsible.
Should people be free to write their own pain medication prescriptions?
Clearly no, because we don't trust people to take this medication in a responsible manner.
The same is true of large soft drinks that have loads of sugar. Most people don't realize how much these contribute to obesity and Type 2 Diabetes. Since stores sell them, people think they must be Ok to drink.
Not the same thing, and shut the fuck up while you're at it.
Please do not feed the boring trolls. The fun ones you can feed (I find shrike fun), but Nando is a One-Note Nancy. Ignore it.
Actually, they're both one-noters.
and that one note?
the Brown Note.
Yes.
Who the fuck is "we?"
It's been a classic role of government to protect people from stuff that is harmful to them but that won't be removed by the market (e.g. lead, asbestos, tobacco). Although different in composition from lead, could fat and excess sugar be viewed in the same way at this time? It's killing people, it's hurting people. Is it not the same even if it is benign in small quantities? You could say the same thing about lead, asbestos, and tobacco.
No, you can't say the same thing.
Good fucking God, are you stoopid.
I rather listen to stoopid all day long than suffer's Nando's bullshit.
At least stoopid pulls out the one-liners every once in a while. Stoopid wants to be libertarian, he just can't bring himself to give up the state. Nando is just a statist sock puppet.
For some reason, I saw the phrase "cock puppet". I know I need bifocals, but somehow it just fits Nando (and shrike) better than "sock puppet".
yeah, shrike's got some better jokes than Nando the boring Asshole.
Actually, shrike's never been clever or funny... he's just a hateful little fuck who despises anyone who has even a smidgen of spirituality.
Also... how can a "Goldwater fan" possibly vote for Obama?
False. Government protection of people who were incapable of making good choices is something new: before, those people were allowed to die. It helps the gene pool weed out that sort of cretin.
It's been a classic role of government to protect people from stuff that is harmful
Wrong. The classic role, the only role of governments across time and geography is to mete out punishment or death behind the veneer of legitimacy, whether that legitimacy comes from having the most swords, a divine mandate, or 51% of the vote doesn't change its primary function.
If my chem teacher had heard me call a carbohydrate and a heavy metal the same thing, he probably would have banished me from the class for all eternity. The stupid is strong you, young padawan.
I must have missed all of those stories of sugar marching down people's throats of its own volition. Linky?
You could say it. It would still be wrong, but by all means, feel free to say it. And I'll feel free to laugh at it. And the world will keep right on spinning.
No, asshole, it's the classic role of the government to protect people from force or fraud. Period. It's only nanny-statists who think that they've been appointed by God-on-high to decide for everyone else what's good for them.
Straight apple juice contain more sugar than an equivalent amount of soda. Ban that filth. And how much caffeine do people really need? None? Great, let's ban anything with caffeine in it. People don't need chocolate to survive either, and that shit leads to obesity. Ban it. Sooner or later, something you might like to eat will be banned in the name of keeping you safe from yourself.
Notice how liberals are using similar arguments Team Red does when it talks about the virtues of the War on Drugs?
But I was told there's a difference!
Clearly, you're due for a lobotomy, then. No worries, Obamacare will cover it when they queue us up for the re-education camps.
I'll probably start thinking straighter now since Bloomberg has told me that when I visit NYC, I won't be able to buy a cup of soda that wouldn't overflow upon me pissing in it after I slob that drink of death down.
Oh, they'll sell larger, separate cups for pissing, but you can't put soda in 'em.
Do they sell cups large enough to contain the bag of piss known as Michael Bloomberg?
That would require hazmat-level containment vessels, MLG.
That would require hazmat-level containment vessels, MLG.
Sounds like a Kickstarter project.
Team Red? Do you mean Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, as opposed to the virtuous Team Blue legalization proponents like Barack Obama?
Jesus, you need fixing.
By and large, Red Meat use the same arguments the left is using to "fight obesity" to justify the drug war. That's not to say that Blue Meat doesn't do the same thing, but they don't do it on nearly the same level.
Actually, I've already started making popcorn for the time when Team Red realizes that they could push anti-sodomy laws and a ban on non-medical abortion as "public health" issues.
Straight apple juice contain more sugar than an equivalent amount of soda.
Gay apple juice is ok though.
What? Of course they should.
"rebalancing individual freedom"
*puke*
What the fuck does that even mean? Other than using force to (try and) make people behave in specific ways?
What I mean is, what does this guy envision in his head when he writes this shit other than the obvious? How can he understand that the concept of some other(s) "rebalancing" another's "individual freedom" is fucking oxymoronic? This is some basic shit here, and yet despite not being able to complete logical arithmetic that even the kids on the short bus understand, somehow, somewhere, this guy's commentary is relevant? Who the fuck has an interest in citizens being irredeemably stupid?
The comments tell me just who is stupid enough to pay for a product so irredeemably stupid.
"Who the fuck has an interest in citizens being irredeemably stupid?"
The Teams, and their minions.
I've noticed more and more that when I espouse any opinion about things like this, no matter how minor, I get hammered by my more liberal acquaintances. So, "I think this soda ban might be a little extreme" get's met with "you are literally willing to let people DIE in the name of your libertarian utopia!!!".
Basically, I've given up talking politics, policy, current events, food, sports, or pretty much anything with these people because they are just so terrified of libertarianism, even though they don't really understand what it is.
If you do that, the terrorists win.
The terrorists won ages ago, depending upon how you define "terrorist". This is just proof.
For Team liberals, it's much easier to erect a prefabbed strawman than it is to try and empathize with another's intellectual position. Once the argument gets beyond the idea that no other should have any control over my body and the fruits of my labor, they summon their army and drop fire from drones.
Freepers hate libertarians, too, MLG. Never forget that when discussing Teams.
I know that. I was specifically addressing thom above when talking to liberals about politics.
All forms of statist get the same contempt from me, ultimately. They're functionally no different.
A conservative fundie is substantively no different than a socialist Occutard.
True dat, guy.
Instead of sucking down liquid candy all day long in the form of soda and fruit juice, drink water.
So, those of us who don't "suck down liquid candy" all day, have to be treated like three-year-olds. Got it.
If you find yourself buying a 24oz soda then you need help.
That's neither your business, nor Bloomberg's. Fuck both of you, and everyone who "thinks" the way you do.
"you need help" = "no matter how intelligent and non-brain-damaged you are, you're still a childlike hairless ape and it's up to Those Who Know Better to tell you how to live".
This is a government taking a stand against corporations that are literally poisoning people with unhealthy food laden with chemicals.
No, it's government nosing into the business of grown, adult people who aren't - despite your protestations - brain-damaged simpletons.
Your "fuck you, that's why" Team mentality is sickening, Nando.
Yes, because corporations force people to buy and consume their products.
So do I turn to Jesus and pray the fat away, or a state-licensed nutritionist with the Board of Health?
Amazing how TEAM Red and TEAM Blue statists sound nearly the same when it comes down to the desire to lord it over others.
Team Red: "God and government should go together."
Team Blue: "Government IS 'God'."
Nobody forces you to pray.
Not yet, but give either Team unlimited power and forced worship might be in the cards.
Team Blue: "Government IS 'God'."
Nobody forces you to pray.
Pledge of Allegiance? Fuck the "under god part", I'm talking about the rest of it.
Is there a time element to your rules of what makes a certain volume of liquid help-inducing? Would I be allowed to consume that 24oz soda over 6 hour car trip?
WHOA WHOA WHOA, slow down there.
A 6hour car trip? Nobody needs to burn that much gas, and it imposes undue costs on society!
You can die from drinking too much water. Ban that shit NOW. For the children.
If I want to go to a downtown sex club and suck out a 48 once Slurpee from another guy's asshole, Bloomberg will be okay with that, right?
Only if it's diet.
BTW, can Tony really fit 48 ounces of soda in his ass?
Tomasky and Megaretardo Magary are on board with my right of sexual liberty too, right?
Can I haz an enema with that?
Only if it's a diet enema.
It's not the same. I have a right to express myself, and fulfill my life the way I choose, sexually, according to liberals. If they deny the right to suck out a full carbo Slurpee out of another guy's ass they are just inbred bible thumping evangelicals in denial of their own twisted right wing agenda.
There's also inbred government-thumping statist-evangelicals in denial of their twisted left-wing agenda, Killaz.
Like Nando and Bloomberg, and apparently shrike.
Just ban soda.
Why?
let me guess, you would be OK with selling lead paint for use on baby chew toys
Let me guess... you're so fucking stoopid, you equate lead with sugar.
So it's ok for the state to regulate one product but not another?
You're the one being selective, Nando, unless you subsist on nothing but water and tofu.
"Just ban soda."
So, it's OK for the state to regulate one product but not another?
You're the one being selective, Nando, unless you subsist on nothing but water and tofu.
Tofu is soy, and soy is a nightmare: Allergies, Alzheimers and other cognitive problems, anemia, birth defects and reproductive problems, cancers, osteoporosis and thyroid.
But soy sauce fucking rules. Bring that shit on.
Not baby chew toys, but if an adult wanted to chew on lead painted toys, why the fuck not?
I especially hate the nannies' obsession with low caloric count. I eat 3,000 calories every day to maintain weight and with all these restaurants being "encouraged" to lower calories I have to pay more money to get the same amount. Pisses me off! How can these jackholes know how many calories I need a day? Or anyone else for that matter?
How can these jackholes know how many calories I need a day? Or anyone else for that matter?
TOP.MEN. YOU MUTHAFUCKING PEASANTS!!!111oneoneone
Michael Tomasky c. 1950
There wax some Gawkertard commenter who made the usual "property rights = you hate black people" bullshit comparison.
See? When the antebellum South forbade blacks from owning property, they were doing it for the blacks' own good.
Interesting, as one could make a racism charge with the over-16 oz soda ban. Ever go into a corner store/convenience store/gas station in a minority neighborhood? It is difficult to find any low-calorie drinks at all, but extra-high-sugar flavors you never see elsewhere -- like "blue" -- abound in huge containers. And indeed, the highest incidence of US obesity is in the African-American and Latino populations. So why isn't anyone saying Bloomberg is doing this to force blacks and Hispanics to change their beverage behavior? If the issue became painted that way, the proposal would be tossed out in a New York minute.
a New York minute.
Which has been reduced to 30secs.
I would just like to say: FUCK YOU NANDO!
He's just pissed because he can't even get some strung-out Occutard chick to lick his man-pussy.
Funny how he and the "new improved shrike" showed up together, though.
Also, fried chicken.
Mmmmmm, fried chicken.
Soak the chicken overnight in buttermilk.
Coat in a mixture of flour, seasoning salt, ground pepper, and onion powder.
Let set until the flour turns pasty.
Prepare an eggwash.
Dip the floured chicken pieces in eggwash, then coat the pieces in ground up corn flakes.
Fire up a big cast iron skillet, heat some peanut oil to 350 degrees F.
Slide the chicken pieces into the oil and fry to an internal temperature of 160 degrees F.
Remove the chicken pieces from the skillet, let drain on some paper towels.
EAT! EAT! EAT! EAT! EAT MOAR CHIKIN!
Anonymous Coward?
Oh crap. I've been found out.
Throw on some cream gravy just to piss off Bloomberg and his cronies.
Dog-o-cide
God bless our first responders. These heros don't get the credit they deserve.
Were the dogs drinking soda at the time?
Nothing is being banned, and no one's being arrested.
Hear that, merchants? Go forth and sell big gulps in defiance of the ban. Nothing will happen to you.
Magary is actually pretty entertaining when he writes at Deadspin. His schtick is juvenile male stuff: masturbation, hot chicks, throwing up, bathroom humor, a little bit of sports.
But that's clearly his weakness when he ventures into grownup topics.
Clearly Magary needs a thumping dose of regulation.
My strategy in dealing with people like Tomasky is to tell them that they do not go far enough: America's obesity problem is so great that we should ban obesity itself. Overweight? Fine (umm, I mean tax in the Obamacare sense) each extra pound. Eliminate Medicare eligibility for obesity-related medical problems. List the obese in a weight-offender registry. Why fight obesity indirectly through soda-size limits, which Tomasky himself concedes can be circumvented, when the government can regulate obesity directly?
Most get tongue-tied when they try to explain why it is wrong to discriminate against fat people but okay to micromanage everyone's lives in the name of doing something about obesity.
They are tounge tied because those who formulate these strategies, such as the despicable Bloomberg, have ultimate power as their end, whereas the sycophants who defend the policies really do think they are about the common good. They have never thought things out to their logical conclusion and so are confused when you point it out to them.
Tomasky and Magary just need to have something they want taken away. It's the only way to make them feel what losing freedom really feels like.
Defund NPR and ban strap-on dildos!
two quotes come to mind:
"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream--the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism." - Reagan
"About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers." - Calvin Coolidge
thank you sir...saving those.
Beautiful, and so fitting.
"We'll have won an important victory over Libertarianism Gone Wild..."
Until this moment, I had no clue that large sodas were such an important ideological underpinning of the libertarian mindset.
In reality, this Tomasky fucker sounds like a minor commissar, circa 1924, squeezing out a "Libertarianism: What it is and how to fight it" pamphlet.
I find it amusing that we are at once the perpetrators of such heinous anti-social things, pulling the strings of government and getting our way and at the same time supposedly completely politically impotent and ineffectual.
We are the kulaks! Or the wreckers... or something.
Yeah, it's a fascinating re-working of the libertarian = libertine mistake. Given how quickly Tomasky looks to government to force behavior he can't help but assume that libertarians want to force everyone to be libertines.
You mean this isn't the Libertarian Party's entire platform?
They seem like little things, and they are, but they are the canary in the coal mine. When they go, other, bigger and more important liberties are not far behind.
Sorry Tomaskey, but your article does not appear to have been approved by a Censor. We'll be taking your thumbs and a few vocal cords.
"We have this "liberty" business completely backward in this country."
"It's unassailable as policy."
"Bloomberg can start rebalancing individual freedom and the public good"
Yes Mr. Riggs, Tomasky is stunningly awful. As awful and transparent as Nando, Tony, Shrike, or Derider....as insane as Mary. I say Tomasky is engaging in pure trolling.
What if some of those are actually fronts for the authors that Reason constantly rips on? I could see that cat loving retard Krugman and shrike as the same person.
Of course all of those authors narcissism would probably lead them to registering under their own name so maybe I'm wrong.
Are we to do nothing, in the name of the "liberty" that entitles millions of people to kill themselves however they please, whatever their diabetes treatments costs their insurers?
_______________________
Oh God, won't somebody think of the health insurers?
The cost-to-insurers argument the progressives love to make is driving me crazy. I have to keep pointing out that, if you look at the actual numbers, people dying early from diabetes or other alleged obesity-related diseases cost insurers less in the long run than healthy people who live to be 85 or so.
The only way to understand policy is to look at one factor: how does Policy "X" grow government? How will this policy bring in more stolen money to support the leviathan? Supporters will always give platitudes to the Official Reasoning? for such legislation, but these are only an excuse to avoid having to say "Fuck you, that's why!"
It will grow government by requiring those who want more than a paltry 16oz with their value meal to order more than one drink, thus costing said patrons more money, thus brining in more tax revenue. It gives their health board more power over both consumers and vendors. Presumably more inspectors will have to circulate in order to enforce such a ban on death-drink.
Presumably more inspectors will have to circulate in order to enforce such a ban on death-drink.
If by "inspector" you mean Roving Paramilitary Enforcement Personnel.
R-PEP, cmon, it's gotta be one of the catchiest acronyms to get shot to death by.
Product Idea: Punching bags with OLED displays. Punchable Face Of The Day!
*barf*
Libertarians have never believed in liberty without responsibility. The left meanwhile wants to give everyone health insurance that is community rated and where insurers cannot take into account life style choices when setting rates. The costs of your choice to engage in whatever unhealthy lifestyle you choose is now born by the community as a whole and not yourself. This way the left can say for the good of the community we have to regulate your life. Let's limit everyone's choices for the good of the community. Libertarians want relatively no limits. Make your own self responsible for your choices rather than make the community responsible. Tomasky says its about behavior modification. How about this for behavior modification. Indulge in life's vices all you want. If you can pay for your health care fine. If not don't come looking to me to help you out. Modify your behavior on your own without limiting my choices.
Eight- and ten-ounce burgers are sick things.
Jesus Christ. Some of us aren't 98-pound vaginal puddles, you know. FUCK YOU, STICK-BOY
These totalitarian creeps never imagine that the Frankenstein's monster they are unleashing will ever do anything contrary to what they want or deem necessary. While I'd ultimately fight against the State banning something that jerkoffs like Tomasky and Nando love, I'd have a long, hearty laugh before picking up my pitchfork and torch.
Ok, so I can't buy a large beverage in New York but I can have an abortion? I don't get it...
Attention New York City Restaurants! Here's how to respond to this proposed ban. Offer drinks in one of three varieties: Small (12oz.), Large (16oz.), and Double. A Double soda is two Large sodas in separate cups. Then offer to sell the customer an empty 32oz cup for a nickel. Customer takes all three cups, pours the two sodas into the larger cup, drinks his soda from a single container and tosses out three cups.
WIN WIN, BABY!
Headline: BLOOMY'S INITIATIVE CAUSES LANDFILLS TO OVERFLOW!!
Nah, they'll blame it on "free markets".
According to the AHA, 1 in 3 of "our" kids are overweight. According to the USDA, 1 in 4 children is hungry. So, apparently 25% of kids are starving and 33% are porkers. If we cut calorie content to save the porkers aren't we just hurting the hungry children in America? The 25% get screwed so the 33% can be saved?
-"Sorry kid, I know you're starving but we can't sell you a hamburger; rules ya know. Here's a low calorie watercress and endive salad."-
Shut your fucking insolent mouth, Tomasky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQok4Ejl4ms
How 'bout all those gals ending their pregnancies because they want a different sex of baby? Are these guys for ending that freedom also? One can only imagine the squealing like stuck pigs that they'd voice if Mikey were to propose such a ban. Whatever happened to "pro choice"? These folks are showing their true authoritarian colors: red, white and black.
I have a serious fucking problem with parents letting their children wander the streets like this little Newsweek fucker. I blame the goddamn progenitors for THIS jerkball sack of silly flesh.
IN what sense is there a democratic election in a one-party major city?
"4oz Burger?" Who uses an expression like "4oz Burger?" You know what they call a "4oz Burger" in America? A Quarter-Pounder you ignorant wretch.
In France they call it a "Royale with Cheese" -- I heard it in the movies. I don't think they call the French Fries Freedom Fries though.
They generally don't call them French fries though either. Pommes frites is the preferred nomenclature in France.
Not surprisingly, Big Government Communistarian/Republican David Frum agrees with Bloomber too:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/04/.....index.html
So why don't some real small government types actually do something useful politically and run for local office, like, say in NYC?
The best way to stop this top down Nanny State stuff is from the bottom up. Libertarians should be clamoring to get elected (at least put on the ballot) on City Councils of cities like NYC, on down to small town supervisory boards.
But go ahead, waste time and money on Gary Johnson and Ron Paul's weak presidential runs.
Speaking of the dynamic duo, why doesn't RP hold daily press conferences about this type of Statism bullshit? It do a lot more to endear him to the American public than pissing on the military.
Fuck! I forgot True Libertarians are all about feeling good and above it all. What I'm suggesting my cause a few fingers to get dirty.
One diet to rule them all.
Really? I look forward to sticking around just to see people like Tomasky proven to be the fools they are.