Guatemala's President Says He Wants to Legalize Drugs, U.S. Imperialism Be Damned
Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina is bucking the neighborhood hegemon:
"We are not doing what the United States says, we are doing what we have to do," said Perez, who was elected on promises of an "iron-fist" approach to rampant crime and surprised observers by proposing drug legalization.
Perez, a retired army general who took office one month ago, said his proposal to legalize drugs does not represent an about face from his campaign, in which he promised to get tough on crime.
He said he has always focused on a more comprehensive approach for addressing one of the highest murder rates in the world.
"Hunger is also violence, and is also a security problem," he said.
The outside world "has only focused on the fact that I am a retired general and participated in the domestic armed conflict," he said, referring to Guatemala's 1960-1996 civil war, in which an estimated 200,000 people were killed.
Guatemala needs "to find alternate ways of fighting drug trafficking. In the last 30 years with a traditional combat with arms and deaths, it can't be done, and we have to be open to viable alternatives."
On Monday, Perez said he will try to win regional support for drug legalization at an upcoming summit of Central American leaders next month.
The U.S. Embassy in Guatemala issued a statement Sunday saying that legalizing drugs wouldn't stop transnational gangs that traffic not only drugs, but also people and weapons.
The U.S. embassy's response is deeply deceptive, considering that the rise in kidnapping and weapon trafficking are drug-war externalities, as Sylvia Longmire wrote last year:
Legalization would deliver a significant short-term hit to the cartels — if drug trafficking were the only activity they were engaged in. But cartels derive a growing slice of their income from other illegal activities. Some experts on organized crime in Latin America, like Edgardo Buscaglia, say that cartels earn just half their income from drugs.
Indeed, in recent years cartels have used an extensive portfolio of rackets and scams to diversify their income. For example, they used to kidnap rivals, informants and incompetent subordinates to punish, exact revenge or send a message. Now that they have seen that people are willing to pay heavy ransoms, kidnapping has become their second-most-lucrative venture, with the targets ranging from businessmen to migrants.
Longmire isn't a legalization advocate as far as I know, but her research suggests that ending prohibition is an increasingly good idea; not just because it would deprive transnational criminal organizations of revenue, but because it would allow law enforcement agencies in Central America to prosecute activities that should actually be crimes, such as kidnapping and extortion.
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I don't know what Molina's views are on other issues, but he might just have my vote if I move to Guatemala (which I might if Obama is reelected).
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he might just have my vote if I move to Guatemala (which I might if Obama is reelected).
I guess it's better than suicide... IF YOU'RE A PUSSY!
I seriously see few options here.
"I seriously see few options here."
Exactly, if Obama is reelected he will not feel any need to hide who he truly is - which is a fall-throttle-tyrant. This country is either going to revolt fast or become (even more) revoltING fast. I see few options in this country if he gets reelected.
I think you give Obama way too much credit.
This country is either going to revolt fast
If I believed in God, I'd pray for this. Deep down I know Americans really are just content as long as they can watch cable TV and look up porn, though. A revolt is never going to happen because we've been well placated by government education.
A revolt will happen, just like in the beginning. It was not everyone who started it, it was the leaders who were able to bring together those disaffected...and the longer we are on this path, the more people will become disaffected. Tipping point!
As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so ****ing crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty-odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
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I'd rather see Obama than Santorum.
The blood infused fecal matter that you know...
RACIST!
Particularly when it seems likely that the Repubs will control both houses of congress. Obama with a republican legislature sounds a lot better than Santorum with a Republican legislature. If I were a betting man, I'd still put my money on Romney winning the nomination. I'm not about to make any predictions for the general.
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Wow, that gives away so much. It leads me to think that only global legalization could stop transnational gangs. Also, if you're making money from drugs, and you need guns to protect your contraband, what exactly would you need to protect? If you're a human trafficker, that's entirely a different problem. It sounds like legalization would only stop drugs, but not human and weapon traffickers.
What they came close to admitting is that free emigration and loosening of gun laws would stop trafficking in people & guns. Can't have that.
It never occurs to the drug warriors that the War on Drugs is what enabled these sociopaths to develop their gangs and systematic violence.
Now, they use the violence as a reason to extend the War on Drugs.
Circular reasoning is circular
And really, the violence is merely a byproduct of lacking law enforcement. Oh the sweet irony.
It's circles all the way down.
Exactly. Good point.
So, when do we invade Guatemala?
Hmm, after Syria but before Iran? I think I have room on the schedule.
I spat my coffee everywhere while reading that, lol. Then I cried a little on the inside, when I realized the truth in the statement.
I loved your work in Casino.
Sorry, can't make it...busy.
They fought a violent civil war for 36 years?
Fuck that - those people would give us fifty years of insurgent headaches.
Dur, we're America. We've been fighting native insurgents in our world-wide country for decades now.
We'd only invade long enough to establish, once and for all, that drugs are bad.
Should be over soon then.
I thought we did that already. Oh wait, the CIA fucked that up too.
I'd hope that if the would-be Caesar ordered an invasion of Guatemala, service-wide mutiny would bring the retardation to a swift end. Do I expect too much from modern Americans?
"Do I expect too much from modern Americans?"
By an order of magnitude or three.
So, when do we invade Guatemala?
In 1954.
I mean now.
That is now. Or rather, a short time in the future, when an out-of-control narco state that used to be called Guatemala (it's actual gov't collapsing after an ill-advised attempt at "legalization" unleashed the floodgates to unlimited profits for drug cartels) exports terror around the globe and fights wars ala the 19th century British to force nations to accept their drug cargos.
In a last, desperate attempt to stem the tide of anarchy engulfing the world, scientists invent a time machine and go back to 1954 to attempt a coup that will head off this nightmarish hellscape of a future, where the living envy the dead.
At least, that's how it plays out in my mind.
Damn it Jim, my boss just poked his head in my office and looked at me funny cause I was laughing so hard.
Glad I could help get you busted, you goldbricking bastard.*
*typed while goldbricking at work
So, essentially this book only with narcos instead of Russkies?
Why invade when a drone strike will take out the 'gangster' Molina?
In my fantasy world, drug warriors are permanently banned from public employment. Fuck the federal government.
what about drugged warriors?
"We are not doing what the United States says, we are doing what we have to do," said Perez.
I seriously wish the best of luck to these guys. Disobedience typically does not come without punishment from the good ole' motherfuckers in D.C.
It's hard for anything to induce as big a smile on my face as the one I get when I imagine the puppeteers in DC being strapped to electric chairs.
I've always dreamed of going all Boondock Saints with my twin brother on these CIA fucks.
I am mean really, the fucking audacity of these people in charge is off the charts.
They know that no one will stop them from committing acts of evil because they are employed by the same organization that is tasked with stopping people from committing acts of evil.
You speak the truth. +1
I've always dreamed of going all Boondock Saints with my twin brother on these CIA fucks.
It's sad that we've given our law enforcement authorities basically a blank check to do whatever the fuck they want with no restrictions, yet I have to go through a background check to get a handgun.
I wonder how we convince our military that it's a good idea to revolt.
And then what? Seriously. Then what?
If judges have managed to rewrite the Constitution without a pen, imagine what will happen if there is a Constitutional Convention.
Things like "Health Care" and "Standard of Living" will be enshrined as basic human rights.
Instead of protecting one's right to property, the government will be given an explicit duty to protect one's right to the property of others.
If/when there is a revolution in this country, what rises from the ashes will be infinitely worse than what we have now.
Unless somehow people can be convinced that rights to other people's lives is a bad thing, you're right, there's no way out.
Specifically why I refuse to have children.
Liberty cannot exist without morality, which is why the enemies of liberty have spent the last century trying to eradicate morality.
Tocqueville mentioned something along these lines; I have it highlighted in my kindle, and forget the exact quote, but it was a -really- good argument for religion that I'm still unable to refute.
That would explain why the enemies of liberty are so hostile towards religion.
"That would explain why the enemies of liberty are so hostile towards religion."
Santorum isn't hostile towards liberty.
Also, things like Equality and Fairness (in a collective sense) will become large determiners of policy and rights. They already are starting to now.
If it was the military, I'd assume there would be no Constitutional Convention. Their oath is to support and defend the Constitution. That means the current Constitution. The proper course of action would be to boot the current government until a new one could be elected.
But then it becomes your property, so it belongs to someone else. But then it becomes their property, so....
But it would stop them from profiting FROM DRUGS. Legal gambling didn't stop the mob from other kinds of racketeering, but I fail to see how that's an argument against legal gambling.
What a total non-sequitur by the Embassy.
"Look over there! Children die every day!"
Really? You actually expected a logical and thorough argument coming from the feds?
And they add that drugs are maybe only half of their revenues. Loss of half of your income sounds like a pretty significant blow to me.
Also, a lot more people like drugs than like kidnapping and illegal weapons trafficking.
Alt text: "Does this look my give-a-fuck face to you, Mr. Ambassador?"
That would have been brilliant.
If I only had a tenth of this guys courage, he will no doubt get a lot of pressure now from America, but I think history will show that he in the end was right.
History will show that the United States drops bombs on any country with the audacity to legalize the trafficking of politically incorrect chemicals.
I HIGHLY doubt that.
Agreed this guy has guts. President Perez Molina's chances of being found dead in his home just increased dramatically.
Send in the SEALs.
What? That's so last year. Send in the drones.
Send in the drones to drop seals. Baby seals.
Oh the horror.
*Shat bricks*
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PETA-philes? "The outside world looks down on a man marrying a llama".
I guess PETA really has jumped the shark.
Isn't that rich?
He has a pair.
Boots on the ground is last year;
Death from mid-air.
Send in the drones.
Between the CIA and the drug mafias that know the game would be up if he got his way, yeah, pretty much.
But cartels derive a growing slice of their income from other illegal activities.
I love this part. Note that the income they're calculating include the transportation of illegal drugs, and activity related to supporting their drug trafficking.
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Which will promptly make him the target of a CIA-induced coup d'etat
Let me be clear: I have much more nuance than that. Predator hit, quick and clean.
The U.S. embassy's response is deeply deceptive, considering that the rise in kidnapping and weapon trafficking are drug-war externalities,
Note to progressives: this is a proper invocation of EXTERNALITIES!1!1!1!!!!
The only externalities that exist are the ones that prove progressive talking points. You are a heretic and shall burn at the stake.
/sarc
this is a proper invocation of EXTERNALITIES
Exactly.
Not to mention the fact that the money the gangs get from drugs helps build the infrastructure that makes the other crimes profitable.
But let's not forget that the drug warriors are probably even more embedded in the Team Red ranks and are every bit as oblivious to these externalities.
Indeed, in recent years cartels have used an extensive portfolio of rackets and scams to diversify their income. For example, they used to kidnap rivals, informants and incompetent subordinates to punish, exact revenge or send a message. Now that they have seen that people are willing to pay heavy ransoms, kidnapping has become their second-most-lucrative venture, with the targets ranging from businessmen to migrants.
So because the drug cartels have a second, less lucrative, stream of income, Guatemala shouldn't deprive them of their first and most lucrative stream of income?
That makes a lot of nonsense.
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That guy Molina is an idiot. Legalize drugs? Can you imagine the evil that would be let loose? There would be no more transparent excuses to militarize the cops, shit on the 4th amendment, destroy property rights, murder innocents, not to mention the money we would lose.....my god it would be hell on earth.
* raises glass of scotch with wavering hand *
Zetas just mailed Molina a care package.
OK, I'm cynical. Perhaps President Molina is setting himself up to shake down the US govt for some money to make him forget about this. WoD or country-size bribes to prevent legalization; either way we pay more money and keep getting screwed (&NIAGW;).
It's also possible that Obama will soft-pedal the WoD in his second term, when he doesn't have to worry about re-election. If he went soft on drugs now, the L&O republicans would hammer him on that.
Yeah, my two miniscule rays of hope for a second Obama term are gay marriage and a slowdown of the WoD, which he couldn't have done without major political consequences in his first term.
If we see gay marriage go nationwide anytime soon, it will be probably be via a SCOTUS decision. Its out of the hands of the president and I don't see Congress anxious to take this on.
Our best hope, ironically, is socons overreaching by passing draconian anti-gay laws like Virginia's Marshall-Newman amendment which goes way beyond marriage.
Dude is making a lot of sense man. WOw.
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Obama will never ratchet down the drug war,coven if it has no political downside. The drug war is just too useful to the Total State.
The drug war should be anathema to anyone serious about law and order. As the Iron Law teaches:
If everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.
Every cop who busts a pothead is cop not busting a rapist or robber.
Obama will never ratchet down the drug war,coven if it has no political downside. The drug war is just too useful to the Total State.
The drug war should be anathema to anyone serious about law and order. As the Iron Law teaches:
If everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.
Every cop who busts a pothead is cop not busting a rapist or robber.