Dick Durbin: Ban Flavored Cigars—for the Children
A couple of weeks ago, I noted that if the FDA chooses to regulate cigars it could decide to follow New York City's asinine example by banning flavored varieties because they supposedly encourage kids to smoke. Last week five senators—Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)—urged the FDA to do just that:
As teenagers turn to cigars instead of cigarettes, these products pose a serious threat to public health and threaten to undermine the important public health protections of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
Flavored cigars are putting children's health at risk and increasing nicotine addiction and tobacco use among young people. More than 13 million Americans smoke cigars, including an estimated 1.8 million high school students and 475,000 middle school students….Cigars with candy-like flavorings such as strawberry, watermelon, vanilla and chocolate attract kids to smoking and help hook them on this addictive habit.
Congress helped protect young people from the harmful effects of tobacco by banning flavored cigarettes. But as youth cigarette use has fallen, cigars have become more popular among adolescents.
The notion that adult products cannot be tolerated if they might appeal to children—which is also the premise underlying the statutory ban on flavored cigarettes and the agitation against sweet-tasting alcoholic beverages—is offensive to anyone who thinks the government should not treat adults like children. It is also an open-ended license to ban all potentially hazardous products, since adult things appeal to kids precisely because they are marks of adulthood. Even if we ignore these concerns, Durbin et al. offer zero evidence, aside from bald assertion, that flavored cigars are particularly popular among minors. Not that the lack of evidence will necessarily be an impediment: Congress banned flavored cigarettes even though they accounted for a tiny percentage of underage consumption. The one exception was menthol, which by some crazy coinicidence is the one flavor that remains legal, thanks to legislation that Durbin himself championed (as Michael Siegel points out), along with Philip Morris, which sells menthol varieties of several different brands.
Nor do the five senators back up their claim that "cigars have become more popular among adolescents" in recent years as cigarette smoking has declined. That is not what government-sponsored surveys show. According to the CDC's Youth Risk Behavior Survey (PDF), past-month consumption of "cigars, cigarillos, or little cigars" by high school students declined from 1997 until 2005, then remained steady through 2009 (the latest year for which data are available). The Monitoring the Future Study, which is conducted by researchers at the University of Michigan under contract with the National Institute on Drug Abuse, found that past-year consumption of "small cigars" by 12th-graders fell from 23.1 percent in 2010 to 19.5 percent in 2011. Both of these numbers are substantially lower than the rates found by several surveys (PDF) conducted in 1996. In short, Durbin and his colleagues seem to be making shit up.
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Those children aren't buying cigars to smoke the tabacco, silly congressmen.
Congresscritters couldn't imagine why on Earth anyone would want to just smoke the 'skin' of the cigar; and blueberry flavored to boot!
When are these rich honky motherfuckers just going to admit that they don't think stuff that black people like should be legal. Is that considered 'soft-racism'?
That's not quite it, or they wouldn't have left menthols legal.
Now, if you want to talk bans on gold-encrusted teeth...
I don't know if it's racist or not, but I live in a poorer section of town and all the shit poor people like I read on Reason about some nanny trying ban it.
Fast food (or any salty, fatty, msg-y food), four loko, cigarettes, blunts, unlicensed hair dressers, sugary drinks, fruity bluntskins, etc, etc.
When I lived in the better area of town no one was trying to ban their unhealthy vices. Things like: salty fatty chic food, fruity alcoholic -tinis, expensive cigars, sugary starbux drinks, etc, etc.
I don't know if the reason the nannies don't go after that shit is because it's what they indulge in, and can't imagine themselves making poor health decisions. Or, if they would go after those things but realize that poor people don't have the political power to stop the meddlers, whereas rich people would scream bloody murder if someone went after their vices.
This. Why poor people support the nannies when they're always on the receiving end of their "help" is beyond me.
Why? Because it is much easier to push the poor around. I'm guessing that some are even being sufficiently conditioned to actually believe the nannies know best.
"conditioned to actually believe the nannies know best"
Yeah. Public school. And welfare programs.
Your first paragraph needs some help.
But that is a good observation. Sadly, I think the attitude is still basically some "white man's burden" type shit coupled with some false consciousness nonsense.
That, coupled with the belief widely held by liberals that advertising is so powerful that people are utterly helpless before it, and so they're angry that these items get marketed heavily to the underclasses (who then, not being able to resist the brainwashing, adopt unhealthy lifestyles).
Every single person I know, or have ever spoken to of it, knows whether the shit they're eating, smoking, drinking, or inhaling will harm them or not. The thing is, they do it because they want to.
BUT I GUESS IM NOT A CONGRESSCUNT SO WHAT DO I NO?
I've known more than a few people who thought that tobacco's reputation of unhealthiness was mythical or exaggerated. A decade ago I thought that was crazy, sbut given the way the nannies have attributed everything short of plagues of locusts to marijuana, e-cigs, sodium, and fat, and without a shred of evidence, it's beginning to sound almost plausible.
"tobacco's reputation of unhealthiness was mythical or exaggerated."
Seconhand smoke. Thirdhand smoke. Bullshit.
Watch a chronic smoker tethered to an oxygen tank sometime -- it will disabuse you of the notion that cigarettes are benign, healthwise.
That being said, it's none of the government's effing business of someone chooses to harm themselves that way in exchange for the high nicotine gives.
it's all about freakin the black n milds
Are cigars even addictive?
I heard they're good for you. They help you stay skinny and breathe better. If they were bad for you, surely they'd have to put a label on them that says so.
These people are fucking retards. As someone points out above, most kids buying cigars of any kind are probably rolling blunts.
And if things are anything like when I was getting started with smoking, kids don't want candy flavored smokes (or cigars of any kind really). Everyone I knew smoked Camels or Marlboros. A few weirdos smoked menthols (mostly to stop other people bumming from them, I think) or cloves.
Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)
A "Murderers Row" of stupidity!
It's part of the population of Dumbfuckistan. It's that country located between Cocksuckistan and Buttfuckistan, the latter of which is a haven for the Tonys and MNGs of the universe.
Is that what the D is that follows their name? To indicate their Dumbfuckistan origins?
Holy shit, dude -- you've BEEN there, too? Yeah, fucking awful place.
Best we never, ever go back. Dumb fucks everywhere.
And it puts the lie (not that those of us here needed the information) to the idea that only the "right-wing" wants to engage in legislating morality.
People who buy flavored blunts for rolling are rookies.
Just because they're stupid doesn't mean they don't wield enormous power for some godawful reason.
All I want for Christmas is to turn on C-Span one day and see all the reps and senators fighting each other biker gang style, with broken bottles, chains and the occasional handgun.
Now that would be "must see" TV!
Turn the Capitol dome into Thunderdome. Replace Weepin' John Boehner with Tina Turner. Replace the party Whips with MasterBlaster.
Finally, a roadmap to the future that we can all get behind.
Two men enter, one man leaves. Tina Turner used to rock it.
Adopt the Gowachin legal system.
I'm picturing something like that fight scene from "Anchorman"
"You stabbed some guy with a trident"
then remained steady through 2009 (the latest year for which data are available)
Timing is everything.
Late 2009 is when flavored cigarettes were banned, and most of the companies that sold them appear (based on my glances around yon tobacco shoppe) to have slightly altered their products to make them legally qualify as cigars instead.
Where I buy, there are huge racks of cheapo multicolored filtered "cigars" with a cowboy on the box (don't know the brand) that were never there before the ban. And they moved all the clove-flavored "cigars" behind the counter, where things kids steal go.
As a percentage of what teenagers who smoke smoke, "cigars" have probably increased?because of the previous ban.
Regardless, statistical arguments for libertarian shit (or against not-libertarian shit) don't work. They're pre-conceded. You're debating "policy," not rejecting it. Loser talk.
I may disapprove of the blueberry abominations you smoke, but I will defend to the death your right to smoke it.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Senator Frank (Bag-of-Bones) Lautenburger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qgwp_ie1MA
I read that and thought didn't that SOB die? Maybe they quietly reanimated him into the zombie Senator from NJ. It isn't like anyone would really notice.
Dick Durbin: asshole.
Dick Durbin: And a dickhead, too.
He thinks that every pie is tastier when is thumb is in it.
Fat jackoff.
"Cigars with candy-like flavorings such as strawberry, watermelon, vanilla and chocolate attract..."
They attract morons who haven't smoked an Arturo Fuente Hemingway before. Dammit, man!
I had no idea kids could be so cool!
http://www.real-web-privacy.tk
Off topic: my take on the griefer scum here at H&R.
That is not fair. Those were private pictures of White Indian.
Hey, at least in the picture I used of rectal, she had her hair made up.
It looks like she dropped a few pounds, good for her.
That's pretty fuckin' harsh man. What did we ever do to you, anyway?
Besides, blogging and online comics are just for fags, anyway. Libertards and their gamboling.
Exquisite.
Nice blogwhoring. I see your "komic" talent has improved but little. The irony of a narcissist griefer griefing about other griefers is grieftastic!
Can we ban Dick Durbin for the sake of the children?
You know, considering his activity as a legislator over his career, it would be entirely justifiable to have him tried and executed for treason.
I'd love to see shit like that happen to petty tyrants. God, how I hate them all.
The US government can't even get around to holding a trial for the treasonous Nidal Malik Hasan, the Fort Hood shooter.
Can anybody point out to me, please, the part of the Constitution permitting the government to do anything at all related to anything at all pertaining to anything at all concerning cigars, cigarettes, or anything else people smoke?
Because I can't find it.
Durbin's like Lautenberg Lite, because nobody can be as brazenly full of shit as Lautenberg.
Do you really still have to ask these questions?
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MIND = BLOWN
HEY GUYS LETS GO JOIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TOGETHER AND SAVE THE HOMOSEXUALS AND THE CHILDREN!
why drag the gays into this?
But they like drag.
I'd expect a comment like that from someone whose name includes "but[t] free"!
PNWD!
uhh, uhh... the commerce clause, uhh uhh the general welfare ummm...
Damnit all don't give me that shit about the constitution, we're trying to save the children, won't you think of the children!
""Can anybody point out to me, please, the part of the Constitution..."
You're talking about Congress. The only time they look at the Constitution is when they read it out loud as a political stunt.
...or when they wipe their asses with it.
I doubt they would give it consideration if it's on a list of toilet paper products.
You never know, I'm sure it gets awfully boring just sitting there on the can waiting for their Metamucil to kick in. They might need something to read while they're waiting.
Maybe, if they don't have the lastest issue of Hot Naked Interns handy.
"The one exception was menthol ... thanks to legislation that Durbin himself championed ... along with Philip Morris..."
Anyone want to lay odds on whether or not Durbin is still in Phillip Morris' pocket and this all really just about eliminating potential competitors to PM's line of menthol plavored cigs?
plavored = flavored, damn I should proof read better before hitting submit
Ron Paul's supporters are sure of one thing: Their candidate has always been
consistent?a point Dr. Paul himself has been making with increasing frequency. It's a
thought that comes up with a certain inevitability now in those roundtables on the
Republican field. One cable commentator genially instructed us last Friday, "You have
to give Paul credit for sticking to his beliefs."
He was speaking, it' s hardly necessary to say, of a man who holds some noteworthy
views in a candidate for the presidency of the United States. One who is the best-
known of our homegrown propagandists for our chief enemies in the world. One who
has made himself a leading spokesman for, and recycler of, the long and familiar
litany of charges that point to the United States as a leading agent of evil and injustice,
the militarist victimizer of millions who want only to live in peace.
Hear Dr. Paul on the subject of the 9/11 terror attacks?an event, he assures his
audiences, that took place only because of U.S. aggression and military actions. True,
we've heard the assertions before. But rarely have we heard in any American political
figure such exclusive concern for, and appreciation of, the motives of those who
attacked us?and so resounding a silence about the suffering of those thousands that
the perpetrators of 9/11 set out so deliberately to kill.
There is among some supporters now drawn to Dr. Paul a tendency to look away from
the candidate's reflexive way of assigning the blame for evil?the evil, in particular, of
terrorism? to the United States.
One devout libertarian told me recently that candidate Paul "believes in all the things I
do about the menace of government control, and he's a defender of the Constitution
?I just intend to take what I like about him. " The speaker, educated and highly
accomplished in his field (music), is a committed internationalist whose views on
American power are polar opposites of those his candidate espouses. No matter.
Having tuned out all else that candidate has said?with, yes, perfect consistency?it
was enough for him that Dr. Paul upheld libertarian values.
This admirer is representative of a fair number of people now flocking to the Paul
campaign or thinking of doing so. It may come as a surprise to a few of them that in
the event of a successful campaign, a President Paul won't be making decisions based
just on the parts of his values that his supporters find endearing. He'd be making
decisions about the nation's defense, national security, domestic policy and much
else. He' d be the official voice of America?and , in one conspicuous regard, a familiar
one.
The world may not be ready for another American president traversing half the globe
to apologize for the misdeeds of the nation he had just been elected to lead. Still, it
would be hard to find any public figure in America whose views more closely echo
those of President Obama on that tour.
Most of Dr. Paul's supporters, of course, don't actually imagine he can become
president. Nor do they dwell on the implications of the enlarged influence conferred
on him by a few early primary victories (a third-party run is not something he rules
out, the ever- consistent Dr. Paul has repeatedly said under questioning).
A grandfatherly sort who dispenses family cookbooks on the campaign trail, candidate
Paul is entirely aware of the value of being liked. He has of late even tried softening
the tone of some of his comments on the crime of foreign aid and such, but it doesn't
last long. There he was at the debate last Thursday waving his arms, charging that the
U.S. was declaring "war on 1. 2 billion Muslims," that it "viewed all Muslims as the
same." Yes, he allowed, "there are a few radicals"?and then he proceeded to hold
forth again on the good reasons terrorists had for mounting attacks on us.
His efforts on behalf of Iran's right to the status of misunderstood victim continued
apace. On the Hannity show following the debate, Dr. Paul urged the host to
understand that Iran's leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, had never mentioned any
intention of wiping Israel off the map. It was all a mistranslation, he explained. What
about Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust? A short silence ensued as the candidate
stared into space. He moved quickly on to a more secure subject. "They're just
defending themselves," he declared.
Presumably he was referring to Iran's wishes for a bomb. It would have been
intriguing to hear his answer had he been asked about another Ahmadinejad
comment, made more than once?the one in which the Iranian leader declares the
U.S. "a Satanic power that will, with God's will, be annihilated."
There can be no confusions about Dr. Paul's own comments about the U.S. After
9/11 , he said to students in Iowa, there was "glee in the administration because now
we can invade Iraq." It takes a profoundly envenomed mindset?one also deeply at
odds with reality? to believe and to say publicly that the administration of this nation
brought so low with grief and loss after the attack had reacted with glee. There are, to
be sure, a number of like- minded citizens around (see the 9/ 11 Truthers, whose
opinions Dr. Paul has said he doesn't share). But we don't expect to find their views in
people running for the nation's highest office.
The Paul comment here is worth more than a passing look. It sums up much we have
already heard from him. It's the voice of that ideological school whose central
doctrine is the proposition that the U.S. is the main cause of misery and terror in the
world. The school, for instance, of Barack Obama's former minister famed for his
"God d? America" sermons: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, for whom, as for Dr. Paul, the
9/11 terror assault was only a case of victims seeking justice, of "America's chickens
coming home to roost."
Some in Iowa are reportedly now taking a look at Dr. Paul, now risen high in the polls
there. He has plenty of money for advertising and is using it, and some may throw
their support to him, if only as protest votes. He appears to be gaining some
supporters in New Hampshire as well. It seemed improbable that the best-known of
American propagandists for our enemies could be near the top of the pack in the Iowa
contest, but there it is. An interesting status for a candidate of Dr. Paul's persuasion to
have achieved, and he'll achieve even more if Iowans choose to give him a victory.
And a Merry Fucking Christmas to you too!
Fascinating. Can you provide more details, please?
Your wall of text has convinced me. Newt/Romney 2012!!!
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United Democratic People's Socialist Republic of America, and to the grand state for which it stands: one nation, under the guidance of the Grand People's Congress, with security and order for all.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt bless you, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt bless the United Democratic People's Socialist Republic of America!
RON PAUL says 9/11 was America's foreign policy chickens coming home to roost--identical to what the radical black Rev. JEREMIAH WRIGHT said. Do you agree with a statement like that?
I certainly don't! But what can we do? Isn't Ron Paul the only candidate who wants to keep illegal aliens from stealing our jobs and smuggling drugs across the border???
Tulpa, is that you?
So you admit you hate America?
No Mohammedan ever called me a honky.
I heard one make some disparaging remarks about you because of your freedomz.
You know who else used guilt by association fallacies?
u mean like "teh eevildoers" ?
""You know who else used guilt by association fallacies?""
How screwed up are we when I'm trying to figure out if you mean Hitler, or Obama and his drone program.
""RON PAUL says 9/11 was America's foreign policy chickens coming home to roost--""
Perhaps you prefer the overly simplistic "they hate us" reasoning that all the retards are jumping onto these days.
There's no way this troll is fake, did you freaking see that wall of text up there!?
Thanks tardo-bot 10000
Retard: A person who believes that an interventionist and meddling foreign policy will have no negative consequences.
tl;dr
""is offensive to anyone who thinks the government should not treat adults like children. ""
Fasten your seat belt.
Don't drink too much.
Use this light bulb to save energy.
Do put too much salt on your food.
Too bad there's not a crital mass of people offended at government's parental role.
I'm stuck in the clinic on a Friday afternoon, and I am this close to bleeding off helium from the MRI to do a squeaky voice, and Res Publica Americana is the only one who is helping because he loves America and wants to support our healthcare system.
that doesn't sound good for the MRI. don't you have refill tanks on hand you could draw from?
Too bad an MRI doesn't require nitrous.
In a few years, we may have a liquid nitrogen-cooled MRI, which will I use to freeze bananas.
It works in my fevered imagination, but yeah, that would probably quench the magnet.
"As teenagers turn to cigars instead of cigarettes"
?
Your name is Blue Menthol. Idiot.
This article makes me want to go buy a couple of cases of cigars and go around and hand them out at bus stops.
As long as they're It's-A-Boys, to go with the teen pregnancy epidemic.
According to the CDC the birth rate for U.S. teenagers fell in 2009 to the lowest level ever reported, 59 percent lower than the historic high reached in 1957.
OT: http://img577.imageshack.us/im.....vgbhnm.jpg
With badasses like him appealing on Wikipedia's behalf, everybody will donate the living shit out of Wikipedia soon enough, eh?
Wow, not only the new strongman leader of Myanmar, but a Wikipedia author to boot.
Psst. Don't tell Congress, but I knew of a kid who smoked pencil shavings in the 5th grade.
Didn't see him around in 6th grade...
Who are these precious creatures that need protecting? And if they're in such dire straights then why aren't they housed in communal terrariums until they can be legally exposed to my heathen ways?
In North Korea, we smoke children-flavored cigars.
In North Korea, cigar smoke you!
You play sour note. Bang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Kids get more smoke now than ever before now that adults stay at home instead of going to a bar, where smoking is banned, with their adult friends.
Now why didnt I ever think of that.
http://www.net-tools.tk
Oh yeah! Children around the country are really clamoring to smoke cigars. The last old timer I knew personally who smoked cigars died over SEVEN GODDAMN YEARS AGO!!!!
Pipes, biotches. "Bubble" pipes.
"Pope decries commercialization of Christmas"
http://www.reuters.com/article.....GG20111224
Like White Indian and people who think we need to regulate what flavors go into products sold to adults, I think this guy hasn't gotten laid in 872 years.
what a bunch of assholes
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This thing you call Russian Tea made of Tang, instant tea and crushed red hots taste nothing like Russian Tea! But to be honest, in a pinch it isn't really bad.
I love the cock flavored cigars. particularly the big black ones.
Durbin and company want to ban the flavored cigars because of what happened the last time a White House intern got hold of a cigar. Monica with a flavored cigar? I don't even want to think of how much worse it would have been.....