Despite Working as a Consultant to the Health Care Industry, Mitt Romney Says He Didn't Understand Differences Between Medicare and Medicaid Until He Got Into Government
In Mitt Romney's 2010 book, No Apology, he discusses the "Medicare burden" and the challenge of dealing with the rising cost of health care entitlements. In the same section, it's something he claims to have been thinking about in a professional capacity for a long time: "When I was a young consultant to a health-care company in the late 1970s," he says in the book, "I predicted that health care would reach 20 percent of the GDP by 2050."
But apparently Romney wasn't thinking about it enough to grasp the differences between the two major health entitlements. In a campaign appearance in Iowa today, Romney told the crowd that he was unsure about all the distinctions between Medicare, the federal health entitlement seniors, and Medicaid, the jointly funded federal-state health program for the poor and disabled, until he started government work. "I have to admit I didn't know all the differences between these things before I got into government," Romney said, according to TPM. Romney didn't run for office until 1994, when he lost a Massachusetts Senate race to Ted Kennedy.
As governor of Massachusetts, Romney figured out the difference soon enough: He relied on about $2 billion (so far) in bonus federal Medicaid funding to help pay for RomneyCare, his state-based health care expansion. But he still takes advantage of the fact that lots of voters share his early confusion. In this year's primary campaign, he's repeatedly criticized President Obama for cutting Medicare to pay for a federal health care expansion virtually identical in structure to RomneyCare without noting the federal Medicaid bonus that his Massachusetts still relies on.
Update: As TPM's Benjy Sarlin points out, Romney also oversaw the purchase a $311 million hospital business while running Bain Capital in the 1980s.
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I have to admit I had no fucking idea what I was doing when I dreamed up this dipshit program that destroyed health care in Massachusetts.
What else don't you know about there Willard?
No shit!
When I talk to my clients who are business owners the constant refrain is that new employees are almost unaffordable: the cost of employing them, particularly under the Mass Labor Law + Romneycare is greater than their marginal productivity.
MA is losing population, businesses are reluctant to do their production in-state, consequently the state is in a permanent recession, and the fucking morons in the political classes can't think of anything other than tax-increases to expand government services to "attract people to move into the state".
It's one thing for the corrupt democratic machine in Boston to peddle this job-killing BS - they're parasites who can't help sucking the life-blood from their hosts, but when a supposedly accomplished businessman like Romney can't figure it out, particularly when he's a big wheel in Bain Capital and is aware of all the issues that the startups they fund are dealing with, I'm gobsmacked.
He really is just stupid. He spent a lot of political capital on Romneycare and was very proud of it. It wasn't forced upon him. It was his idea. And he seemed to honestly have no idea the effects it would have on business.
He is nothing but an idiot son and a menace.
Sorry, I'm in a grouchy mood from a conversation I had with some relatives (stereotypical MA limo liberals) about the whole OWS/2012 elections business. Apparently tea partiers are violent racists being used as cannon fodder in a astroturf campaign organized by the Koch family and Karl Rove, and that only channeling FDR can save us from a depression. I'm tempted to start handing out a Country Squire in the White House as a pointed, assholish Christmas present.
speaking of OWS - they certainly dropped off the political map. More of a whimper than a bang.
Not that I keep track of mainstream news all that much, but has there been any recent developments/stories on that front?
I think it was all a scam to refund ACORN.
I hope not.
I want the Occupados to show up for the conventions next year.
What really hacks me off is that Willard is the only serious republican candidate who hasn't taken a savage beating from the so-called mainstream media and the establishment. They haven't even laid so much as one finger of a glove on him.
Well, yet. Needless to say, if he secures the nomination the media will of course then ferociously turn on him. But it's so damn obvious that they desperately want him to win the nomination, it's just sickening.
You should have seen MY press before I got the nomination. Romney would KILL for it. I was near the bottom in all the polls, and suddenly, out of nowhere, all the papers, shows and newsmags were giving me the 'surprising second look.'
it is like Lucy and the football. Republicans fall for it every time. They always think "this time the press really likes me". It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Seriously, Mike, the reason he's been untouchable is because he's a vanilla guy. The media couldn't give two flaming bowls of shit what someone's policy positions are or how many times they've flip-flopped on the issues. All they care about is when somebody does something that can be used to personally embarrass them.
Case in point: Michele Bachmann is a loon, but she still gets more play in the media for fellating a corn dog than for all of her loony pronouncements. Titties gets more press on his Freddie consulting than many of his idiotic proposals.
I completely disagree. I think the media wants Romney to win because they know full well that he's the republican they could live with the most if he wins.
They could probably live with Hunstman as well, but he's a joke candidate and everyone knows.
In comparison, the rest of them from Ron Paul on down are all like boogeymen out of the estblishments' worst nightmares.
You are absolutely right Mike. They could even live with Gingrich and thus treat him with kid gloves. But anyone who might upset the cart or comes from the outside is given the full business with both barrels. That is why they treat Paul so badly and that is why they literally started eating furniture over Palin.
Caption:
"If I were Pinocchio, my nose would be this big."
Romney is the idiot son everyone thought George Bush was.
Anyone else contributing to the money bomb today?
Yep. I did about an hour ago.
After the disaster last election, I'm not going to donate this time around. I may if Rand runs in 2016.
I am keeping an eye on it though. Almost to $1.5 million.
Annnd there.
Thanks for reminding me!
I arrived at work too late to contribute a bunch of inappropriate jokes to the rape thread! Is it cool if I just do that here?
BTW, by those definitions, I, and every other college male I knew, was, and remains to this day, a serial rapist.
I was wondering if it counts if both parties are intoxicated.
If both parties are intoxicated then the man is a rapist.
I was already married by time I got to college. So I never had the opportunity to engage in drunken debauchery like the young, single dudes.
I was 'practically' married by the time I got to college. So I had very little opportunity to engage in drunken debauchery like the young, single dudes.
I was married my last two years of college, and I slept with more women that two years than my first two. Just ask my ex-wife.
Married 35 years and counting. So you can safely assume my college years were different than yours.
Different in that, you were much more careful not to get caught?
Married, two kids, part-time job, full-time school.
So Jerry Sandusky and a Priest walk into an orphanage...
and rape the shit out of a bunch of little boys. That's the punchline. It's fucking funny.
Jesus Christ, Jim. You gotta start slow and build, build, build to the punchline.
Pfft, that's gay.
Gay like Jerry Sandusky, and, by your definition, the kids he raped.
Cruising for chicks bored shitless while they study in the library was a more effective means than alcohol for me to get sex, but I didn't see anything on the poll about that this time around. Maybe in ten years, they'll wisen up and list it as a rapist tool for manipulation of the helpless female.
Chris, did you ever get to see that video Jim (Gojira) posted the other night?
I was playing poker with some guys from work on Tuesday and I realized I was the only single guy there. It was a bit shocking to suddenly be the wild crazy stallion.
Take advantage of that. They all secretly look up to you *weeps*
If I knew how to take advantage of it I probably wouldn't be single (though I wouldn't be married yet either).
No I meant take advantage of it vis-a-vis your bros. They all secretly look up to you. You have massive street cred that those of us who have been castrated only vaguely and wistfully remember from the muddy haze of...five years ago.
I do think they have a wild idea of what my life is like. They only hear about the weekends where my roommates and I all wake up still drunk at noon, not the ones where I lay in bed and watch Dexter.
Just tell them you're a closeted homosexual. If they're really your friends they won't care.
I'm gay because I don't cheat on my wife?
No, you're gay because you and your roommates lay around in bed watching Dexter together after spending the evening at the Blue Oyster Bar.
You came up with "my roommates and I lay around in bed...together" from "I lay in bed"?
Of course I did. I am an asshole, you know.
Just tell them you're a closeted homosexual. If they're really your friends they won't care.
Not true. If they are really your friends they'll hire you a hooker just to be really sure. Then, if that doesn't work, they'll back off. After four months of conversion therapy, of course.
"Why can't you accept me for who I am?"
"Why can't you accept the fact that I can't accept you for who you are?"
Friendship, good times!
If you really want to prove you're not gay, you need to go back and watch that video I posted the other night.
Oh, yeah, thanks a lot. Google has flagged me for nothing more than trying to sign up a new account. Supposedly, I'm both a bot, and using the wrong info. Later is technically true since i was using an old account of my bros.
I was ugly so I only got debauched by a woman once in college.
Wow, so when my then ex-GF showed up at my dorm room really buzzed and tore off my clothes, I was raping her!
Esp. if she decides to claim that afterwards. No woman in history has ever lied about being raped because it's so serious...
"I have to admit I didn't know all the differences between these things before I got into government,"
Jeebus H on a unicycle. Its not "all those differences". There's basically two that matter (1) Medicare is federal, Medicaid is state (with federal matching funds), and (2) Medicare is old people, Medicaid is poor people.
That's about it. This isn't rocket surgery, or some exercise in Jesuitical subtlety. Apparently, despite cashing paychecks to be a FREAKING EXPERT, ROMNIAC couldn't figure out Federal program for old people v. State program for poor people.
But they both share 6 letters!
Good point, Auric. "Republican" and "Democratic" share five letters, and I'm having a harder and harder time telling them apart.
And those aren't even in the same order!
Romney is a poster boy for all that is wrong with this country. His dad was a CEO. He is a Mormon so that opened up a ton of connections. Between being a Mormon and who is father was, I doubt he has ever gotten a job on his own merits. His whole life has been greased for him. And yeah, that tends to make you stupid if you were not already.
I have to think he actually knew the basic differences between the two programs. I'm wondering if his quote is being taken out of context here:
"I have to admit I didn't know all the differences between these things before I got into government,"
Perhaps he's referring to some of the more mundane minutia of the programs. Not the broad, one is state, one is federal type stuff, but some of the more microscopic machinations of what is approved vs. what isn't between the two programs, some of the bureaucratic idiosyncracies of each, etc. Not that I'm excusing or endorsing Romney or trying to paint him as a smart guy (although he strikes me as heads and shoulders smarter than a Perry or Cain type, that's hardly a ringing endorsement). I just wonder if maybe we're reading his admission of some ignorance as an admission of a larger ignorance that wasn't implied.
That just looks like its gonna be good dude. Wow.
http://www.RealPrivacy.tk
Same Mitt, Different day.
Caption Contest!
"I swear that donkey's dick was this fucking big, but that chick took it all. Man, TJ is great."
I'm going to Mexico tonight. I'll do some research on that for you. Although, not sure if there are a bunch of Donkey shows in Playa del Carmen.
C'mon, say it together: President Romney
Our B-Movie* Prez, fresh from the battlefield against the alien from space.
*Romney reminds me of some cheap movie actor playing president. The coiffed hair with the touch of white, the kind, beaming eyes... *argh*
That is a good way to describe him. And there is a good chance he will be President God help us all.
"Hi! I'm Mitt Romney...you may remember me from such elected offices as..."
Why does Romney lie so much? the man is unfit to be president. He wants to be all things to all people. I tell ya'....2012 cannot come soon enough.
Who cares? It seems like Reason has been going out of their way lately to nitpick Republican candidates. Really, I find it refreshing to have someone admit our massive entitlement bureaucracy can be confusing. Also, if you continue to say Romneycare is exactly the same thing as Obamacare you need a lesson in the 10th amendment. Why do so many people have problems understanding that the founders gave states different powers than they gave the federal government?
But really? Who cares? You'll likely have two choices next November, Romney or Failbama. Which one do you think will be more likely to reform our entitlements and put our government on a sustainable path?
I think Reason needs to do less nitpicking of candidates and spend more intellectual effort on pushing more libertarian policy ideas.
So, Chris, you're one of those Ron Paul supporters, I take it?
Errrmm...is that a trick question?
"Which one do you think will be more likely to reform our entitlements and put our government on a sustainable path?"
Each will do a worse job than the other.
It's true that the states should have more power than the feds, but that doesn't make Romneycare a good idea. You can't say that just because Romneycare fucked with less people's freedom than Obamacare that it's somehow fine. The basic tenets of the programs are the same: distort the healthcare market by making everyone participate, thereby increasing demand, and raising prices, meanwhile funneling money into one or two huge insurance companies. In fact, a strong argument could be made that Romneycare is WORSE because it relies on the rest of the states for funding. So people in Nevada are paying for healthcare services for people in MA, even though the people in NV don't get these same services. Remember when everyone threw a fit because Ben Nelson wouldn't vote for the affordable care act until they threw in an amendment that NE was exempt from paying for it? Isn't this the exact same thing?
"I'm just a cave man. I don't understand your crazy modern entitlement programs. Your welfare world confuses me."