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Civil Liberties

South Korea Law Prohibits Praising North Korea

Lucy Steigerwald | 12.8.2011 4:39 PM

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A reunified Korea is not likely to happen this century, but the two countries that were once one have a little more in common than you would think when it comes to outlawing basic human rights.  The Associated Press (AP) reports that a South Korean man was recently charged with the crime of praising his cranky northern neighbors. And he's not the first by any means:

AP:

Since a conservative government took power in 2008, indictments have shot up under a South Korean security law that makes it a crime to praise, sympathize or cooperate with North Korea. More than 150 were questioned and 60 charged in 2010, up from 39 questioned and 36 charged in 2007, officials say.

In another sign of stepped-up enforcement, a South Korean government agency launched a team on Wednesday that will examine Facebook and Twitter posts and smartphone applications to cope with what it says is a growing volume of illicit content, including violations of the security law.

The National Security Law raises questions about freedom of expression in the otherwise democratic country, which ended decades of autocratic rule in the late 1980s. But calls from liberal politicians and activists to scrap or revise the law have so far come to nothing in a nation still wary of the North.

To be fair, three generations of the man's family will not be sent to a concentration camp, so I still know in which Korea I would rather reside. But even with the world's best example of what not to do in government right across those heavily mined miles of DMZ, South Korea has to be so governmental about (stupid, if the man really was praising North Korea) speech.

They say the best response to bad speech is more speech. The best South Korean response to anyone deluded enough to praise North Korea is to just point north. No need to "make war" on them as suggested by South Korean Prosecutor-General Han Sang-dae.

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  1. yonemoto   14 years ago

    The vice guide to NoKo is fascinating. If you are on the south side at the border meeting point, they tell you strictly to not even look at the NoKo guards, any waving or anything is strictly forbidden, on the fear that any provocative gesture could trigger an invasion. On the north side, they don’t care if you flick off the people in the south.

    1. Suki   14 years ago

      North Korea is best Korea!

      1. yonemoto   14 years ago

        don’t turn into rather.

  2. Sevo   14 years ago

    Do NK and SK share the water supply? I think it’s something in the water.

  3. Poet Laureate sloopyinca   14 years ago

    If SoKo has any desire for reunification, their best bet is to provoke an incident on the border. That NorKo invasion will make it about as far as the first grocery store. Once they see what real food is (and I don’t mean grass or tree bark), they’ll turn around and march straight to Pyongyang and start stringing motherfuckers from lampposts.*

    *Assuming they can find some usable rope and a lamppost not made out of papier mache.

    1. angus   14 years ago

      Each field command is equipped with nuclear bomb, set to detonate in the event of unauthorized maneuvers. Each field commanders family is provided with free secure accomodation for the duration of the conflict.

    2. xtab   14 years ago

      I really doubt this. I’m pretty sure the North Koreans are well aware of how good the South Koreans have it — the North Korean/Chinese border is more or less wide open and North Koreans travel between the two countries pretty freely. North Korean propaganda even makes note of how wealthy the South Koreans are in comparison, but explains it as if the South Koreans are ashamed of the fact and secretly yearn to have a DPRK-style system, or that it’s because they’ve buckled under to the Yankee enemy, which the North Koreans continue to sacrifice to combat.

      1. xtab   14 years ago

        Err. I should say, which the North Koreans believe themselves to be sacrificing to combat. There’s been some interesting work done recently that suggests most North Koreans are fully aware they’re poor, but continue to be true believers in the system.

  4. Evan from Evansville   14 years ago

    Yeah, the Vice guide to NK is the best around.

    I lived in Korea Dec 09-July ’11—and am actively getting my paperwork to go back on out there to teach.

    I was there during the sinking AND the bombing. I heard/read NOTHING about anything positive the south has to say about the north. They just ignored it in a very creepy the-dog-is-dead-but-we’re-not-going-to-move-it sort of way.

    Anytime you want to make a joke for the kids, mention anything about N Korea or Kim Jong Il. Works every time. But the kids also think that black people are gorillas, so there’s that aspect, too.

    1. Poet Laureate sloopyinca   14 years ago

      But the kids also think that black people are gorillas, so there’s that aspect, too.

      I’ve heard that, but is it really true? And as the world shrinks with the internets and the WC being there, you would thing their exposure to different cultures would end those absurd stereotypes.

      Besides, those bucketheads ain’t got much room to talk about other races.

      1. Gojira   14 years ago

        Trust me, it’s true. I figured that out after just two weeks there.

      2. Sidd Finch   14 years ago

        And as the world shrinks with the internets and the WC being there, you would thing their exposure to different cultures would end those absurd stereotypes.

        That explains why Idahoans are so much more racist than Mississippians.

        1. Poet Laureate sloopyinca   14 years ago

          I guess the buckethead remark is gonna pass.

          1. Sidd Finch   14 years ago

            AFAICT Koreans are most disliked by the Japanese. Is the absurdity of what “you would think” apparent yet?

            1. tako   14 years ago

              Koreans are most disliked by the Japanese.

              Both cultures are altaic. Another example of people disliking those who are most like them.

            2. yonemoto   14 years ago

              Generally speaking, the Japanese don’t hate the Koreans. To the point that the most successful candy corporation (Lotte) is a japanese/korean conglomeration and a Korean General in the IJA was convicted of war crimes after WWII, but don’t remind the Koreans that – they actually do hate the Japanese.

              1. Zuo   14 years ago

                Yeah Korean hate towards the Japs is much stronger than the other way round. But many (most) Koreans are racist ass motherfuckers all around. Not only is loathing of “others” widespread, they even condemn their own big-faced selves.

            3. Amakudari   14 years ago

              No. One thousand times no. The Japanese do not hate the Koreans. There are some right-wing extremists who hate zainichi Koreans (that is, ethnic Koreans who were born in Japan and generally lack citizenship), but it’s a small minority. A slightly larger minority dislike Korea, but most Japanese younger than 60 or so like Korea.

              The opposite — that Koreans hate the Japanese — is generally true, though. Here’s one poll (linking to a blog because it’s translated):

              63 percent of Koreans said they dislike Japan, while 22 percent of Japanese said they dislike Korea. For Koreans, the percentages grew with age. 76 percent of Koreans in their 60s and above said they dislike Japan. Among Koreans in their 20s, an age group accustomed to the latest in Japanese pop culture, 15 percent said they liked Japan. This was 3~7 percent higher than other age groups. In the case of Japanese in their 20s, 30s and 40s ? those who have felt the influence of the “Korean Wave” ? those who liked Korea outnumbered those who disliked it.

      3. Evan from Evansville   14 years ago

        It’s absolutely true. Let’s just say that the lesson of the day changed after a kid said that in my class.

        1. Abdul   14 years ago

          I lived there in the ’90’s and they definitely had misconceptions about blacks and gays. I think it’s attributable to living in a homogenous society where you never meet a black or gay person in real life, and your left only with Ru Paul to fill in the blanks.

          1. Ted S.   14 years ago

            Considering the popularity of K-Crap music, which seems to consist of Koream men dressed in foppish clothes wearing enough makeup to look androgynous, and sing dreadful hip-hop imitations, you’d think they’d be a bit more accepting of gays and blacks.

      4. tako   14 years ago

        ain’t got much room to talk about other races

        OCD hand-wringing about race is a fetish of modern Western societies. There isn’t worldwide buy in to the idea. Most of the world doesn’t think like you do. And, no, just because your online friends from other countries think like you do doesn’t mean that the societies in which they live share their sensibilities.

        1. xtab   14 years ago

          I’m sure it must make you feel good to know openly expressing racist views is shared by a global majority, but I don’t know if going by what the rest of the world thinks is a standard with much credit to its name.

  5. affenkopf   14 years ago

    North Korea is best Korea, deal with it.

  6. affenkopf   14 years ago

    A reunified Korea is not likely to happen this century

    Disagree. Autocratic regimes can fall surprisingly fast.

    I’ll remind you of this prediction in 89 years.

    1. cthorm   14 years ago

      Came here to say this. I would be shocked if North Korea is still an autocratic hell hole at the end of this century. The worse shit gets, the more urgent the need for change. They might not be reunified, but NK can’t stick around with the status quo for much longer.

      1. A Secret Band of Robbers   14 years ago

        If they can maintain the status quo for a few decades more, NK will be completely uninhabited.

        1. cthorm   14 years ago

          Exactly, either they all escape to China/SK or starve. Unless they can get some sweet commie robots.

          1. Gojira   14 years ago

            The Footclan from the cartoon?

            1. cthorm   14 years ago

              I was thinking more like the robots from BioShock or SkyCaptain and the World of Tomorrow.

              1. Gojira   14 years ago

                Ugh, I had such high hopes for SkyCaptain and it fell disasterously short of them all.

                1. cthorm   14 years ago

                  That’s the thing about expectations. I had never heard about SkyCaptain before I saw the movie, so it didn’t disappoint me. The art style and idea of the whole thing is pure awesome, but I remember the imagery a lot more than the plot.

      2. Zuo   14 years ago

        Considering Korea was a hardcore isolationist (the real deal- not what dumbfucks call Ron Paul-style foreign policy) autocracy for centuries, they might just have the cultural attributes necessary to live with a hereditary Stalinist government indefinately.

  7. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

    They’ll be reunified when a remilitarized Japan conquers them both in 2014, thanks to the Ron Paul presidency.

    Just practicing for the kind of crap we’ll be hearing if he starts winning anything.

    1. Krugman   14 years ago

      …and in 2014 Japan will finally exit nearly 25 years of economic malaise, because they finally took my advice and stimulated themselves.

      1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

        Wars of conquest are just like stimuli.

        1. Poet Laureate sloopyinca   14 years ago

          It’s like the NYT always says: You can’t make an omelet without breaking a few skulls.

        2. angus   14 years ago

          Digging holes and filling them in isn’t a fallacy if you’re digging holes in someplaceelses lawn.

    2. Brian E   14 years ago

      I see nothing wrong with your scenario.

      1. cthorm   14 years ago

        You have no Seoul.

        1. Pun Ki Baru Shita   14 years ago

          Do you Pity Me?

        2. Coeus   14 years ago

          You have no Seoul.

          Had that one locked and loaded, didn’t you?

          +1

          1. Fozzy   14 years ago

            Seoul has no i’s.

            1. Suki   14 years ago

              Do you mean there is no I in Seoul?

              1. angus   14 years ago

                Not the kind of pyongyang‘t, seoul-stirring reunion you’d hoped for?

    3. Sevo   14 years ago

      “They’ll be reunified when a remilitarized Japan conquers them both in 2014, thanks to the Ron Paul presidency.”

      That’s GOOOOOD!

  8. Fist of Etiquette   14 years ago

    …so I still know in which Korea I would rather reside.

    I’m guessing that, “objective look” at the land of the Dear Leader aside, Kim Seung-kyu knows in which Korea he would rather hang his hat, as well. (Unless he’s looking to lose weight fast.)

  9. Bugs   14 years ago

    I recently read Guy Delise’s graphic novel about living in North Korea. Good, creepy fun.

  10. Pip   14 years ago

    “CDC: Castrating Lambs With Your Teeth May Make You Sick.”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/health/20…..re_twitter

    Made me think of crazy lawyers for some reason.

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      Do they label lambs accordingly?

    2. Clancy Wiggum   14 years ago

      Uh oh. Somebody better tell Mike Rowe.

  11. Gojira   14 years ago

    The door frames there are much too low to the ground. I’m not terribly tall (6’2), and I had to duck into every motherfucking house or mom-and-pop shop that I wanted to enter.

    Also, I was never able to get over the sight of people just popping a squat on the sidewalk or in the fields or whatever. It’s how they take a break (and apparently old women do it over buried kimchee), but it looks like they’re all taking dumps all the time.

    1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

      I’m 6’2, as well, and I felt like some kind of Nordic frost giant walking through Kuala Lumpur. Not Korea, of course, but the only time I’ve been closer was in Japan. Where I was also some sort of novelty.

      1. Gojira   14 years ago

        Yep, I can relate. Though I’m hoping the same holds true for Hong Kong when my wife and I are going in the spring, so she’ll be able to easily find me in a crowd from a distance.

        1. tako   14 years ago

          so she’ll be able to easily find me in a crowd from a distance

          Couldn’t she just look for the guy in the purple tauntaun suit?

          1. Gojira   14 years ago

            Couldn’t she just look for the guy in the purple tauntaun suit?

            Dude that’s like half the people in Hong Kong.

      2. cthorm   14 years ago

        Fellow 6’2″ Nordic giant, and I’ve been to two countries where I felt like either a circus freak or martial god. In Bangkok, where locals will flow around you like water (I hate queues in Asia). And Quito, Ecuador, where I got off the plane only to see lots of mysteriously floating hats.

        1. Pro Libertate   14 years ago

          It was weird. I wasn’t the only Westerner in Malaysia, but I was the only one in a number of crowds during my stay. And I was taller than most of the ones I did see.

          A few of the Chinese were tallish, but that was about it for the natives.

          1. Coeus   14 years ago

            Ahh, Malaysia. The only place I’ve ever gotten laid just for being white.

            1. tako   14 years ago

              If you are interested in engineering, just take some classes at a college in the U.S. with lots of Asian students.

              Asian bitches love white guys and engineers. They can’t resist the twofer.

              1. yonemoto   14 years ago

                strangely enough, I’ve had luck with white engineer girls.

    2. PermaLurker   14 years ago

      I lived in Wales for 4 years and Asians don’t have a lock on shortness. I’m 5’6″ (5’8″ in heels)and I towered over the the Welsh parents when I used to pick up my daughter from school in Croesgoch.

      1. tako   14 years ago

        It’s largely about diet. Pump a bunch of Chinamen full of a high-protein American diet and watch them grow like yellow beanstalks.

  12. Coeus   14 years ago

    It’s a shame. I liked the South Koreans. No table manners and they look up when they walk around. None of that checking your watch shit or staring at your shoes. But this bullshit is right in line with some of their other bullshit. No right to self defense, no guns and no knives over 3 centimeters.

  13. tako   14 years ago

    They say the best response to bad speech is more speech.

    “They say a lot of things.”
    – Uma’s character in Pulp Fiction

    The best South Korean response to anyone deluded enough to praise North Korea is to just point north.

    I don’t remember the source, but I saw a video clip of interviews with HS students in SK a few years ago when the Koreas were starting some kind of cultural exchange program. I don’t know how representative it was of the political views of SK high schoolers, but it was scary how thoroughly the interviewed students had bought into the ‘moral equivalency’ and ‘we can end this standoff if we just treat them nice’ arguments.

    The generations old enough to remember the hot part of the Korean war will never let down their guard, of course, but some of the young are showing the same kind of gullibility to the communist propaganda which they had been fed in schools that some in the 60s generation in America exhibited and, sometimes, still exhibit.

    1. JeremyR   14 years ago

      Most Americans seem to feel that way too, thanks in part to MASH

      1. Arduin Grimoire   14 years ago

        Suicide is painless.

        1. Riverworld Richard Burton   14 years ago

          Not in my experience.

  14. Poet Laureate sloopyinca   14 years ago

    Looks like Obama’s lost the Korn vote.

    1. wylie   14 years ago

      so much for following the leader.

  15. Zeb   14 years ago

    From what I heard, the guy who was caught crossing the border was shouting pro-reunification slogans or something, so I think the charges were more for cooperating than praising NK.

  16. protefeed   14 years ago

    Seems like the South Korean government could just give those praising N. Korea a gift certificate redeemable for a one-way bus pass to the border, see how many citizens are foolish enough to take them up on the offer.

  17. xtab   14 years ago

    Okay, Vice is good. But if you’ve never watched this and are interested in North Korea, oh man:

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292562-1

  18. MrDamage   14 years ago

    I’m flabbergasted they’ve found so many people who find something about NK to praise or sympathise with. I’m fundamentally opposed to the law, don’t get me wrong… but what are the people violating the law _thinking_? I don’t understand it (which brings me to the fundamental thing about free speech: I don’t need to. I just have to let them say it)

  19. *   14 years ago

    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, doesn’t this law break itself?

  20. Mike H   14 years ago

    Lucky for Bob Scheer he doesnt work in South Korea or his career would have been sunk.

  21. Sean Hayes   13 years ago

    This is nothing new. I wrote an article on free speech in Korea at: http://www.thekoreanlawblog.com

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