South Korea Law Prohibits Praising North Korea
A reunified Korea is not likely to happen this century, but the two countries that were once one have a little more in common than you would think when it comes to outlawing basic human rights. The Associated Press (AP) reports that a South Korean man was recently charged with the crime of praising his cranky northern neighbors. And he's not the first by any means:
Since a conservative government took power in 2008, indictments have shot up under a South Korean security law that makes it a crime to praise, sympathize or cooperate with North Korea. More than 150 were questioned and 60 charged in 2010, up from 39 questioned and 36 charged in 2007, officials say.
In another sign of stepped-up enforcement, a South Korean government agency launched a team on Wednesday that will examine Facebook and Twitter posts and smartphone applications to cope with what it says is a growing volume of illicit content, including violations of the security law.
The National Security Law raises questions about freedom of expression in the otherwise democratic country, which ended decades of autocratic rule in the late 1980s. But calls from liberal politicians and activists to scrap or revise the law have so far come to nothing in a nation still wary of the North.
To be fair, three generations of the man's family will not be sent to a concentration camp, so I still know in which Korea I would rather reside. But even with the world's best example of what not to do in government right across those heavily mined miles of DMZ, South Korea has to be so governmental about (stupid, if the man really was praising North Korea) speech.
They say the best response to bad speech is more speech. The best South Korean response to anyone deluded enough to praise North Korea is to just point north. No need to "make war" on them as suggested by South Korean Prosecutor-General Han Sang-dae.
Reason on North Korea.
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The vice guide to NoKo is fascinating. If you are on the south side at the border meeting point, they tell you strictly to not even look at the NoKo guards, any waving or anything is strictly forbidden, on the fear that any provocative gesture could trigger an invasion. On the north side, they don't care if you flick off the people in the south.
North Korea is best Korea!
don't turn into rather.
Do NK and SK share the water supply? I think it's something in the water.
If SoKo has any desire for reunification, their best bet is to provoke an incident on the border. That NorKo invasion will make it about as far as the first grocery store. Once they see what real food is (and I don't mean grass or tree bark), they'll turn around and march straight to Pyongyang and start stringing motherfuckers from lampposts.*
*Assuming they can find some usable rope and a lamppost not made out of papier mache.
Each field command is equipped with nuclear bomb, set to detonate in the event of unauthorized maneuvers. Each field commanders family is provided with free secure accomodation for the duration of the conflict.
I really doubt this. I'm pretty sure the North Koreans are well aware of how good the South Koreans have it -- the North Korean/Chinese border is more or less wide open and North Koreans travel between the two countries pretty freely. North Korean propaganda even makes note of how wealthy the South Koreans are in comparison, but explains it as if the South Koreans are ashamed of the fact and secretly yearn to have a DPRK-style system, or that it's because they've buckled under to the Yankee enemy, which the North Koreans continue to sacrifice to combat.
Err. I should say, which the North Koreans believe themselves to be sacrificing to combat. There's been some interesting work done recently that suggests most North Koreans are fully aware they're poor, but continue to be true believers in the system.
Yeah, the Vice guide to NK is the best around.
I lived in Korea Dec 09-July '11---and am actively getting my paperwork to go back on out there to teach.
I was there during the sinking AND the bombing. I heard/read NOTHING about anything positive the south has to say about the north. They just ignored it in a very creepy the-dog-is-dead-but-we're-not-going-to-move-it sort of way.
Anytime you want to make a joke for the kids, mention anything about N Korea or Kim Jong Il. Works every time. But the kids also think that black people are gorillas, so there's that aspect, too.
But the kids also think that black people are gorillas, so there's that aspect, too.
I've heard that, but is it really true? And as the world shrinks with the internets and the WC being there, you would thing their exposure to different cultures would end those absurd stereotypes.
Besides, those bucketheads ain't got much room to talk about other races.
Trust me, it's true. I figured that out after just two weeks there.
And as the world shrinks with the internets and the WC being there, you would thing their exposure to different cultures would end those absurd stereotypes.
That explains why Idahoans are so much more racist than Mississippians.
I guess the buckethead remark is gonna pass.
AFAICT Koreans are most disliked by the Japanese. Is the absurdity of what "you would think" apparent yet?
Koreans are most disliked by the Japanese.
Both cultures are altaic. Another example of people disliking those who are most like them.
Generally speaking, the Japanese don't hate the Koreans. To the point that the most successful candy corporation (Lotte) is a japanese/korean conglomeration and a Korean General in the IJA was convicted of war crimes after WWII, but don't remind the Koreans that - they actually do hate the Japanese.
Yeah Korean hate towards the Japs is much stronger than the other way round. But many (most) Koreans are racist ass motherfuckers all around. Not only is loathing of "others" widespread, they even condemn their own big-faced selves.
No. One thousand times no. The Japanese do not hate the Koreans. There are some right-wing extremists who hate zainichi Koreans (that is, ethnic Koreans who were born in Japan and generally lack citizenship), but it's a small minority. A slightly larger minority dislike Korea, but most Japanese younger than 60 or so like Korea.
The opposite -- that Koreans hate the Japanese -- is generally true, though. Here's one poll (linking to a blog because it's translated):
It's absolutely true. Let's just say that the lesson of the day changed after a kid said that in my class.
I lived there in the '90's and they definitely had misconceptions about blacks and gays. I think it's attributable to living in a homogenous society where you never meet a black or gay person in real life, and your left only with Ru Paul to fill in the blanks.
Considering the popularity of K-Crap music, which seems to consist of Koream men dressed in foppish clothes wearing enough makeup to look androgynous, and sing dreadful hip-hop imitations, you'd think they'd be a bit more accepting of gays and blacks.
ain't got much room to talk about other races
OCD hand-wringing about race is a fetish of modern Western societies. There isn't worldwide buy in to the idea. Most of the world doesn't think like you do. And, no, just because your online friends from other countries think like you do doesn't mean that the societies in which they live share their sensibilities.
I'm sure it must make you feel good to know openly expressing racist views is shared by a global majority, but I don't know if going by what the rest of the world thinks is a standard with much credit to its name.
North Korea is best Korea, deal with it.
Disagree. Autocratic regimes can fall surprisingly fast.
I'll remind you of this prediction in 89 years.
Came here to say this. I would be shocked if North Korea is still an autocratic hell hole at the end of this century. The worse shit gets, the more urgent the need for change. They might not be reunified, but NK can't stick around with the status quo for much longer.
If they can maintain the status quo for a few decades more, NK will be completely uninhabited.
Exactly, either they all escape to China/SK or starve. Unless they can get some sweet commie robots.
The Footclan from the cartoon?
I was thinking more like the robots from BioShock or SkyCaptain and the World of Tomorrow.
Ugh, I had such high hopes for SkyCaptain and it fell disasterously short of them all.
That's the thing about expectations. I had never heard about SkyCaptain before I saw the movie, so it didn't disappoint me. The art style and idea of the whole thing is pure awesome, but I remember the imagery a lot more than the plot.
Considering Korea was a hardcore isolationist (the real deal- not what dumbfucks call Ron Paul-style foreign policy) autocracy for centuries, they might just have the cultural attributes necessary to live with a hereditary Stalinist government indefinately.
They'll be reunified when a remilitarized Japan conquers them both in 2014, thanks to the Ron Paul presidency.
Just practicing for the kind of crap we'll be hearing if he starts winning anything.
...and in 2014 Japan will finally exit nearly 25 years of economic malaise, because they finally took my advice and stimulated themselves.
Wars of conquest are just like stimuli.
It's like the NYT always says: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few skulls.
Digging holes and filling them in isn't a fallacy if you're digging holes in someplaceelses lawn.
I see nothing wrong with your scenario.
You have no Seoul.
Do you Pity Me?
You have no Seoul.
Had that one locked and loaded, didn't you?
+1
Seoul has no i's.
Do you mean there is no I in Seoul?
Not the kind of pyongyang't, seoul-stirring reunion you'd hoped for?
"They'll be reunified when a remilitarized Japan conquers them both in 2014, thanks to the Ron Paul presidency."
That's GOOOOOD!
...so I still know in which Korea I would rather reside.
I'm guessing that, "objective look" at the land of the Dear Leader aside, Kim Seung-kyu knows in which Korea he would rather hang his hat, as well. (Unless he's looking to lose weight fast.)
I recently read Guy Delise's graphic novel about living in North Korea. Good, creepy fun.
"CDC: Castrating Lambs With Your Teeth May Make You Sick."
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/20.....re_twitter
Made me think of crazy lawyers for some reason.
Do they label lambs accordingly?
Uh oh. Somebody better tell Mike Rowe.
The door frames there are much too low to the ground. I'm not terribly tall (6'2), and I had to duck into every motherfucking house or mom-and-pop shop that I wanted to enter.
Also, I was never able to get over the sight of people just popping a squat on the sidewalk or in the fields or whatever. It's how they take a break (and apparently old women do it over buried kimchee), but it looks like they're all taking dumps all the time.
I'm 6'2, as well, and I felt like some kind of Nordic frost giant walking through Kuala Lumpur. Not Korea, of course, but the only time I've been closer was in Japan. Where I was also some sort of novelty.
Yep, I can relate. Though I'm hoping the same holds true for Hong Kong when my wife and I are going in the spring, so she'll be able to easily find me in a crowd from a distance.
so she'll be able to easily find me in a crowd from a distance
Couldn't she just look for the guy in the purple tauntaun suit?
Couldn't she just look for the guy in the purple tauntaun suit?
Dude that's like half the people in Hong Kong.
Fellow 6'2" Nordic giant, and I've been to two countries where I felt like either a circus freak or martial god. In Bangkok, where locals will flow around you like water (I hate queues in Asia). And Quito, Ecuador, where I got off the plane only to see lots of mysteriously floating hats.
It was weird. I wasn't the only Westerner in Malaysia, but I was the only one in a number of crowds during my stay. And I was taller than most of the ones I did see.
A few of the Chinese were tallish, but that was about it for the natives.
Ahh, Malaysia. The only place I've ever gotten laid just for being white.
If you are interested in engineering, just take some classes at a college in the U.S. with lots of Asian students.
Asian bitches love white guys and engineers. They can't resist the twofer.
strangely enough, I've had luck with white engineer girls.
I lived in Wales for 4 years and Asians don't have a lock on shortness. I'm 5'6" (5'8" in heels)and I towered over the the Welsh parents when I used to pick up my daughter from school in Croesgoch.
It's largely about diet. Pump a bunch of Chinamen full of a high-protein American diet and watch them grow like yellow beanstalks.
It's a shame. I liked the South Koreans. No table manners and they look up when they walk around. None of that checking your watch shit or staring at your shoes. But this bullshit is right in line with some of their other bullshit. No right to self defense, no guns and no knives over 3 centimeters.
They say the best response to bad speech is more speech.
"They say a lot of things."
- Uma's character in Pulp Fiction
The best South Korean response to anyone deluded enough to praise North Korea is to just point north.
I don't remember the source, but I saw a video clip of interviews with HS students in SK a few years ago when the Koreas were starting some kind of cultural exchange program. I don't know how representative it was of the political views of SK high schoolers, but it was scary how thoroughly the interviewed students had bought into the 'moral equivalency' and 'we can end this standoff if we just treat them nice' arguments.
The generations old enough to remember the hot part of the Korean war will never let down their guard, of course, but some of the young are showing the same kind of gullibility to the communist propaganda which they had been fed in schools that some in the 60s generation in America exhibited and, sometimes, still exhibit.
Most Americans seem to feel that way too, thanks in part to MASH
Suicide is painless.
Not in my experience.
Looks like Obama's lost the Korn vote.
so much for following the leader.
From what I heard, the guy who was caught crossing the border was shouting pro-reunification slogans or something, so I think the charges were more for cooperating than praising NK.
Seems like the South Korean government could just give those praising N. Korea a gift certificate redeemable for a one-way bus pass to the border, see how many citizens are foolish enough to take them up on the offer.
Okay, Vice is good. But if you've never watched this and are interested in North Korea, oh man:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292562-1
I'm flabbergasted they've found so many people who find something about NK to praise or sympathise with. I'm fundamentally opposed to the law, don't get me wrong... but what are the people violating the law _thinking_? I don't understand it (which brings me to the fundamental thing about free speech: I don't need to. I just have to let them say it)
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, doesn't this law break itself?
Lucky for Bob Scheer he doesnt work in South Korea or his career would have been sunk.
This is nothing new. I wrote an article on free speech in Korea at: http://www.thekoreanlawblog.com