The GOP's Anti-Immigration Boondoggles
When it comes to immigration, the Republicans love big government.
If you're looking for something to sum up all that is wrong with American politics today, you could do worse than the Republican presidential candidates' debate over immigration.
Take this comment from Mitt Romney at a recent town hall meeting in Iowa: "You've got to crack down on employers that hire people that are illegal, and that means you have to have a system that identifies who's here legally, with a biometric card that has: 'This is the person, they're allowed to work here.' You say to an employer, 'You look at that card, you swipe it in your computer, you type in the number, it instantly tells you whether they're legal or not.'"
Romney's comments are the latest round in the GOP's modern version of the old radio comedy show, "Can You Top This?" Most of the candidates (including Romney) support completely fencing off the southern border to prevent employers from hiring someone without a government permission slip. But one plain old fence is not good enough for Michele Bachmann, who wants to put up two fences—or for Herman Cain, who wants the fence electrified. Does anyone care to bid three fences? Four?
In his Iowa remarks, Romney endorsed a biometric card—a high-tech ID that contains fingerprints, iris scans, or similar unique personal identifiers. The casual listener might think only certain people—such as Latinos with thick accents—would need to carry such a card. To the contrary: Every U.S. resident would be required to present one when applying for a job. This is not Big Brother. This is Big Brother with a bad case of 'roid rage. It's like making every American apply for a gun license to catch the tiny few who are forbidden to own firearms.
Conservatives who crack jokes about the efficiency of the Postal Service and the compassion of the IRS should apply that same skepticism to Romney's idea. A card only verifies ID. It does not determine whether the government says someone can work—immigration regulations do that. So under an electronic verification system, when a check fails to confirm eligibility the employer informs the applicant—who can then dispute the rejection with the appropriate federal agencies. Imagine, say, a fast-paced tech start-up trying to hire workers while federal bureaucrats dawdle. When has government ever done anything "instantly"?
Romney—the presumptive front-runner for the party of ostensibly limited government—is now on record promoting (a) the individual mandate forcing people to buy health insurance, and (b) a second individual mandate to present your government papers when asking for a job.
Expanding the scope of government as Romney suggests is dangerous enough when done to meet a genuine threat—because the expansion likely will last long after the threat has disappeared. To do it in response to a phantom threat, however, is simply daft.
And illegal immigration is a phantom threat. For starters, it has shrunk markedly in recent years—unauthorized border crossings have reached their lowest level in four decades, while deportations have reached a record high.
Second, illegal immigrants are not causing any kind of crime wave. Three years ago the Public Policy Institute of California noted that U.S.-born adult men are more than three times as likely to be in prison than foreign-born men, and that "noncitizen men from Mexico ages 18-40—a group disproportionately likely to have entered the United States illegally—are more than eight times less likely than U.S.-born men in the same age group to be in a correctional setting."
Third, immigrants are not taking jobs that belong to Americans. For one thing, jobs don't "belong" to anyone except the person or company doing the hiring. Nobody has a right to any particular job. For another, many immigrants do in fact perform jobs Americans won't. Earlier this month, The New York Times profiled Colorado farmer John Harold, who this year decided to hire locally instead of taking on migrant Latino workers like he usually did. "It didn't take me six hours to realize I'd made a heck of a mistake," Harold told the newspaper, which reported: "Six hours was enough, between the 6 a.m. start time and noon lunch break, for the first wave of local workers to quit. Some simply never came back and gave no reason. Twenty-five of them said specifically, according to farm records, that the work was too hard."
Well, don't illegal immigrants cost the taxpayers? Hard-liners often cite a 1997 National Academy of Sciences study to claim each immigrant costs the U.S. $89,000. But the chairman of the panel that produced the study also said it showed "the vast majority of Americans are enjoying a healthier economy as the result of the increased supply of labor and lower prices that result from immigration," to the tune of a $10 billion annual net gain.
In sum, the GOP candidates are willing to give Big Brother a bigger club to fight a problem that doesn't exist. Brilliant.
"Mitt Romney believes in America," says the Romney website. "He believes [in] liberty, opportunity, and free enterprise." It's safe to say the rest of the GOP candidates embrace those values as well. Too bad their tribalist stance on immigration contradicts all three.
A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch. This article originally appeared at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
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...Libertarians love big government.
Or am I free to gambol about plain and forest without property borders and fear of coercion?
When it comes to eating her own feces...
...rectal loves stool.
Is this the only way libertarians can argue against the gamboler?
Why don't you just close up shop and join the Republican mainstream, and be consistent about defending all borders - national, state, property, all of 'em.
Or just keep on with your scat-babble and inconsistencies and, what, a dozen or so dog-catchers around the country?
Wait--I thought Kenny Rogers was The Gamboler? You gotta know when to fold them, rectal.
Yeah, Republicans like big government.
So do Libertarians, as the gamboler makes abundantly clear.
But at least we're honest about it, instead of two-faced. You get one consistent message from conservatives:
Might makes right for all borders, national, state, property, whatever.
I wonder how much we'd need to pay off Reason to get you IP-banned. I'd donate to that cause.
That would be fucking hilarious if reason started a "ban rectal" fundraising drive. They could have the rising gauge that they had in their last funding drive, and at the top could be an image of The Gamboler gamboling into ban land.
I bet the donations would flow in "rather" fast.
What's the story here, Jack? We keep flirting with gambol lock!
~Apollo 13 script
I want you all to forget the flight plan. From this moment on, we are improvising a new mission.
~Apollo 13 script
+100 (dollars)
Sweet Post
Might makes right for all borders, national, state, property, whatever.
Once you run all the way to that point, there's no debate left. Once you admit that that's your argument, what can anyone possibly present to change your mind?
After all, arguing "might makes right" or the more delicate "sovereignty trumps individual rights" needs no change whatsoever to defend the internal policies of Nazi Germany.
I agree MikeP.
The neocons are all the way there, and it seems the "Libertarians" are mighty close.
It takes government aggression to invade, occupy, maintain all borders that restrict or prevent the free movement of people to move about the face of the earth.
I am all for rights of way. They are absolutely critical in the bundle of rights of actual property: if you can't access your property or have anyone you want access your property, it is of much less value to you and to society.
Gambol all you want on rights of way.
Crazy libertarian moderates... Stuck between statist freaks and statist freaks.
I am all for rights of way. They are absolutely critical in the bundle of rights of actual property
That's the Statist's argument, Mike.
Right of ways, roads, irrigation rights, drainage rights.
All of those are why Richard Manning states on p. 73 in his book Against the Grain that:
"Agriculture creates government."
"Might makes right for all borders, national, state, property, whatever." -- NeoConservative
"Right of ways, roads, irrigation rights, drainage rights." -- Agriculture creates government
We have got to get these two together.
Having heard the alternative you propose, I'll take Nazi Germany, thanks!
Years ago, before naive Rich visited southern California, I thought that "Immigrant Crossing" sign was a joke.
On a related note, I see that Washington State's apple farmers are having trouble hiring enough pickers, legal or otherwise.
On a related note, I see that Washington State's apple farmers are having trouble hiring enough pickers, legal or otherwise.
I wonder if 99 weeks of unemployment "insurance" has anything to do with this?
Picking apples? That's worse than flipping burgers!
But the chairman of the panel that produced the study also said it showed "the vast majority of Americans are enjoying a healthier economy as the result of the increased supply of labor and lower prices that result from immigration," to the tune of a $10 billion annual net gain.
Many also pay into social security, though they will never collect it later. They get fake SSN's and the money is automatically beamed to washington coffers with other payroll taxes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04.....ation.html
Somewhere to the tune of $7 billion, according to the article, it looks like.
But monies sent out of the US can be done so tax free. Add to that the services used, and you have a big drain on the economy by illegals.
Scratch an illegal immigration zealot, find a mercantilist.
IMMIGRATION THREAD!!! Somebody call Slappy!
I'll get us started:
Immigrants disproportionately like deep-dish pizzas and IPAs. They also believe that life begins at conception, and may, or may not, take jobs from Americans, who may, or may not, have the collective sovereign right to decide who crosses our borders. They also prefer Capt. Archer to both Kirk and Picard.
Discuss.
Hey Jim, I heard you like Michael Bay movies. That they're your favorites; that you love it when Bay "fucks the frame". That Transformers 3 is your favorite movie.
Denials will just prove how right I am.
Pffft, why would I deny it? Michael Bay is only eclipsed in talent by Tim Robbins and Sean Penn.
I also heard you love the Twilight movies. All of them. You and NutraSweet watch them together and eat ice cream.
HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT MY WET DREAMS!?!
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!
Because I'm Dennis Quaid in Dreamscape.
Can you get David Patrick Kelly to go into a few politicians' dreams?
I'd prefer to send in Robert Englund.
Oh, almost forgot. They also gambol around Arizona, while making substance-less posts, though they make more than you do. They listen to death metal and enjoy reading slashfic, plus...they, um...do whatever ProL is into.
Nice JO!
Whenever a Republican-ish person tries to talk about illegal immigration, I tell them, "Fuck you, I don't want to have government force me to join your union."
So far I haven't convinced anyone to admit that they are against the free market and hate freedom, but it's still fun to point out.
Whenever a Libertarian-ish person tries to talk about illegal gamboling, I tell them, "Fuck you, I don't want to have government force me to join your civilization."
What can be done about this?
Anybody got any examples of a country at some place and time that had a similar misperception of a problem that was anywhere close to similar, and got rid of that misperception? How did they do it?
Japan and the Christians. They killed them all. Nazi Germany and the Slavs/jews. They tried to kill them all. Cambodia and the city dwellers/educated. They killed them all. Soviet Union and the kulaks. Killed as many as they good, sent the rest to deadly labor camps in Siberia.
Pretty much the misperception isn't going to change until the anti-Mexican shitheads kill them all. Then they'll be all remorseful and shit and the misperception will be gone.
The Arabs and the "problem" of the Jewish/Israeli immigration/colonization of "their" lands bears a striking resemblance to Amerifuckers and their hatred of the Mexicans. At least the Arabs are generally man enough to admit that they want to kill em all. Amerifuckers just sit around "joking" about their electrocuting fences and predator drones, but act like a little bitch when you call them out on their lust for Mexican blood.
Ew. Thanks for thinking of those examples, unpleasant reminder.
Hmmm...you think we could get away with killing a token few to get to the remorseful stage?
Even accepting argue do that illegals are not any more prone to criminality than legal aliens/citizens, etc.etc. and that OF COURSE enforcing an actual border etc. and those that violate it and/or facilitate those who do by hiring people w/o ensuring legal status... Immigration iow enforcement of ourNATIONAL border IS A legitimate function of the federal govt. with all the raich chicanery and the federal govt. getting involved in literally hundreds if not thousands of things which it shouldn't even have DE JURE constitutional authority (let alone the fact that it's usually bad policy) , I think even open border proponents should agree that this is one of the few things that the federal govt. does that actually is a legitimate power/function... Arguments aside about whether it's good policy.
All the true Scotsman arguments aside, it's completely consistent with the concepts of federalism, limited govt., republicanism in the true sense, that our FEDERAL govt. control borders. The argument of course for. Libertarians is - to what extent, what policies should prevail, and what should be the philosophy.
What is lame as fuck is the race card crap, etc.
I think even open border proponents should agree that this is one of the few things that the federal govt. does that actually is a legitimate power/function.
Actually, there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government that power. It was captured in a Supreme Court decision that said, basically, "well of course the federal government has that power."
Nonetheless, I can agree that an amendment proposed to give it that power would indeed pass easily, so arguments based on constitutionality are largely moot.
i agree. there is nothing that explicitly says the federal govt. can control the borders.
kind of reminds me of the line from a few good men about the whole finding the lunch hall thing.
there IS a border. obviously. to what extent the govt. (federal) should be able to enforce duly enacted LAWS (which is the job of the legislature to pass) about who can and can't enter etc. is of course the open question, but i really don't see it as *a* question that the "enforcer" must be the federal govt. since these borders literally DEFINE their jurisdiction.
i'm not aware that the constitution specifically says that congress' lawmaking authority only extends TO the borders of this nation, but that certainly would be implicit.
again, i just think policy arguments are fine , but clearly it's common sense that it's the job of the federal govt., just as it's their job to issue passports, to request extraditions from other countries, and to negotiate with other countries about treaties and shit.
i realize some of this is covered in the constitution and some isn't.
So, Romney wants to ensure that if someone wants to participate in the economy, they'll either need to present their head (retina) or their hand (fingerprint) to a biometric scanner? Is he just trying to freak out Christian conservatives more than than the Mormonism thing already does?
Hey, here's a thought, Mitt -- that Cain fella is rapidly become a threat to you in the polls. Why don't you undermine him by proposing a similar tax plan, but with even lower rates. You could cut them by, say, a third off what's he's offering, and the Tea Party would go crazy for you.
Whenever the almost* unlimited unemployment insurance benefits run out I think that the unemployment rate % will drop a couple percent in a month or so as people find out that hard labor is a necessity if you want to earn money.
*is it "almost" unlimited now or have the unemployment insurance benefits become a mickey mouse copyright-ish politic cause (aka, always extended just before they end)? I haven't kept up to date on this.
Libertarians ... are willfully blind to systems of central control...The core libertarian value is not liberty but private "property" -- just ask them if you have the liberty to set up a camp on their lawn. But the only known societies where nobody is forced to do anything they don't want to, are tribes where the concept of "property" extends only to small hand-made items...
The Critique of Civilization Changes Everything
by Ran Prieur
April 15, 2005
http://ranprieur.com/essays/changevery.html
Yes, and private property is the basis for Liberty. Congratulations, you're still an idiot.
once again this individual has it wrong. when the fence was built on the border of san diego crime went down 40% although we dont need fences if you are here illegaly you get nothing no education welfare nothing but sent home. stats are out there the illegal immigrants have a very high crime rate.We want you to look and feel special when you wear our fashion Silver jewelry; you know our goal is to keep you pleased and to continue to give you reason to return to aimengsilver.com.
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once again this individual has it wrong. when the fence was built on the border of san diego crime went down 40% although we dont need fences if you are here illegaly you get nothing no education welfare nothing but sent home. stats are out there the illegal immigrants have a very high crime rate, beyond the fact they are illegal. the constitution is supposed to protect citizens from foreign invasion period. products are not cheaper because illegals are doing it for less. also taxpayers end up paying more in the long run. we spend more money educating illegal immigrant kids than our own. americans are dying everyday from criminals who shouldnt be here in the first place. our govt is protecting them. why hasnt holder sued any sanctuary city for violating federal law? they are for the law breakers
stats are out there the illegal immigrants have a very high crime rate,
Ah yes.... stats... which say?
http://immigration.lohudblogs......and-crime/
see attached pdf as well.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/n.....metic.html
but dont let facts stop you from wetting your pants over a fantasy-reconquisa
Amazing also how we experienced a 20 year boom in illegal immigration, and crime rates have dropped most precipitously over that period.
or that areas with highest concentration of illegals have low crime rates...
http://mediamatters.org/research/201004290029
The horrors of invasion!
http://www.commentarymagazine......wer-crime/
We must stop the inflow of hardworking, non-violent, religious family-values types before its too late, and the national anthem is played by a mariachi band!
once again this individual has it wrong. when the fence was built on the border of san diego crime went down 40%
Moar wallz@!!!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....03/306449/
Amazing how the wall-less San Diego's crime rate dropped *250%* during the actual period of the Brown Invasion, and simply continued the trend downward during the Wall Era. Albeit slower.
Your claim is patently, demonstrably, unequivocally, complete and utter bullshit.
So either you're ignorant, and just spout out untruths because *you heard that somewhere*, or you're a fucking liar.
Which is it?
illegals hit up the earned income tax credit for 5 million year. the taxes they may pay in dont outway the fact that they get free healthcare and education. our prisons are full of them. the rule of law is at stake. that is why it's important to enforce our laws. we willnot survive the socio-economic impact
ILLEGALS IS ILLEGAL WHAT PART DO YOU AMERICA-DESTROYERS NOT UNDERSTAND!!!
We already have social security cards and draft cards and passports. Anyone who steps onto an airplane or drives a car or enters a federal courthouse or travels to a foreign country, needs to have a secure form of secure picture ID. So what is the big deal about having a secure ID that would combine all these things in one simple card and at the same time make it impossible for illegals to violate the labor laws. Or maybe you think it is good that they violate the labor laws? Anyhow Romney's idea is the simplest form of common sense. Too bad for him Herman is still the better man.
Yes, I do think it is good that they violate the labor laws.
Uh, not quite. Illegals drive all the time with no drivers license, and thus, no insurance. When they have a wreck, all they lose is the car. The other driver's insurance, if he has full coverage, has to cover the damage. I worked in subrogation for three years, and saw many files with Mexican surnames that were uncollectable.
And illegal immigration is a phantom threat. For starters, it has shrunk markedly in recent years?unauthorized border crossings have reached their lowest level in four decades,
Unauthorized border crossings have only reached a low point because THE ECONOMY is at a low point!! Do you have any doubt it will pick up again as soon as the economy does?
while deportations have reached a record high.
Not really true, the statistics were inflated by including people held at the border and immediately sent back (most of them will just try again later).
Second, illegal immigrants are not causing any kind of crime wave. Three years ago the Public Policy Institute of California noted that U.S.-born adult men are more than three times as likely to be in prison than foreign-born men,
That's because the conclusions fell for a simple fallacy and didn't control for time spent in the United States. Compare a 30 year old US-born man, with a foreign-born one that has been here for 5 years, for example. One has had 6 times the amount of time to be arrested and held in US prisons as the latter. So even if the immigrant commits more crimes, statistically it might look like fewer when you use this trick. If you want an accurate picture, you either have to control for amount of time in the US, or include crimes/prison time that occured in the native country before the individual immigrated.
also, that metric (if applied as quoted) didn't distinguish between foreign born men here LEGALLY and those here ILLEGALLY and furthermore between those here illegally due to extending their stay beyond their visa (generally looked at less serious) than entering illegally in the first place.
again, even IF assuming that illegal immigrants did commit crime at a lower rate than native born americans,that still doesn't make the idea of enforcing a border ipso facto a bad one. but the stats are interesting, whatever they are - and at least relevant
again, even IF assuming that illegal immigrants did commit crime at a lower rate than native born americans,that still doesn't make the idea of enforcing a border ipso facto a bad one. but the stats are interesting, whatever they are - and at least relevant
Can I help clarify the rationale, D-Dog?
"Even if all the facts point to the reality that there is no real negative impact from illegal or legal immigration, doesn't it still *feel good* to pretend it does? because then we have something to focus on other than how fucked our country has made itself from our other stupid mindless policies... I got an idea!! Lets build a wall between the US and Mexico!! That will be a fun distraction from recognizing our other hugely failed policies. Its works like a band-aid on a brain-hole of stupid "
because if you assume the only argument to build a wall and limit immigration (of any kind - legal and illegal) is based on the criminal behavior levels of the immigrants, or at least the behavior levels of the past ILLEGAL immigrants.
my point is that it's an important metric, but it's not dispositive.
my point is that the issue still comes down to an issue of national sovereignty. iow, i don't buy the concept that assuming arguendo that the average illegal (and by illegal i mean one who enters illegaly, not one who overstays a visa) is less prone to criminality (again, assuming arguendo... assuming illegal on illegal crime, for example, it's obviously going to be less likely to be reported to a distrust fear of the govt. scrutiny. lots of stuff likely goes on that never gets reported PERIOD, let alone in a community where the reportee even if the victim fears scrutiny), it's not a simple utilitarian argument imnsho
it's an IMPORTANT factor to consider, obviously.
some have accused me of being merely a utilitarian libertarian . iow, i am against the wod because it causes more harm than good. no. i am against the wod for a host of reasons, among which is that i don't think govt. should have the authoritah to put people in jail for deciding they want to use a substance the govt. thinks should be illicit.
but yes, i also believe in looking at real world effects of policy and i also believe that the fact that WOD does more harm than good is ALSO relevant, especially considering STATE law (it's clear that imo many federal anti-drug laws aren't merely bad policy but are facially unconstitutional).
i just think even open border proponents need to start from the premise that what we are talking about is policy issues, not issues (like medical mj) where there is even a great argument to be made that the federal govt. doesn't even have the legal AUTHORITY to regulate it, let alone that it's bad policy they do so
....the average illegal (and by illegal i mean one who enters illegaly, not one who overstays a visa)
Not to bother with any full blown tete-a-tete, but just a reminder =
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=5485917
Virtually *half* of "illegals" overstay a visa. Which makes *them* the 'average'.
My personal take on this issue is largely a utilitarian one, not some completely ideological libertarian thing about 'free movement of labor' (although that is a convenient additional argument).... I've looked at extensive amounts of data, and the fact is, immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are, net-net, far more of an economic positive than a negative... the fact is, we need them.
The 'kultur' warriors (a la below) aren't even worth arguing with.
The main thing about the immigration issue that is most depressing is that people ignore how its used as a distraction from far more important issues. Its a huge winner for conservatives the way global warming is for liberals = they can claim that there's some huge looming danger to the nation, and they're the ones who can fix it! When nothing happens, they can declare victory.
Because if *we don't build a wall*, leprous gangs of murderous mexican fruit pickers are going to destroy owr kultur!!!
Gilmore,
Using your own language, I got an idea too! See how f**ked up Mexico is with corruption, gang warfare, and even wider disparity of wealth than we have here? Let's import that culture over here, so we can enjoy it too!! Its [sic] works like a band-aid on a brain-hole of stupid...
All this talk from the GOP about fences and ID is a smokescreen. Ditto for the Dems. Real ID was shot down by the states and a huge border fence is simply impossible. It's all talk.
Just ask yourself this: In whose interest is it to have a large force of isolated and desperate workers who don't legally exist?
While you're at it, ask this: Who would scream the loudest if all someone needed to do to be a citizen is go to an office and say "Me citizen!"?
hard to believe. Blogging for illegal aliens. Who pays you? What a bunch of dead dick liars. Circle jerk. Go vote for Change again. You seem to love obvious lies. Gambol? Fuck you.
This^^^^
GOP?
no... DERP
Time to turn the dorm lights out. Sleep tight everyone.
Abolish minimum wage; illegal immigration problem solved.
I use the term "problem" here loosely because the only "problem" with illegal immigration would be allowing the immigrants to vote in elections, something that happens in very few cities in our country.
in mexico, illegal immigration is a 2 yr felony. even LEGAL immigrants are not allowed to participate in the political/public speech process in all sorts of ways, they cannot participate in most LEGAL protests, they cannot write letters to the editor, they cannot join the police forces or military.
not saying we should be like mexico (god forbid) . just saying you could cut the fucking irony with a ladle when la raza types criticize the US but not their homeland - the one that treats illegals FAR FAR worse than we do
Not necessarily; Americans still might not be willing to work for the low wages of migrants... (though I certainly agree with repealing the minimum wage and giving them that opportunity).
How will abolishing the minimum wage increase the average IQ of Mexicans up from 90, and how will it decrease their crime rates to match those of American citizens?
I was listening to one of the GOP debates and they asked what Republicans can offer to a Latino electorate. Not one mentioned that while closing the "back door", they might entice Latino voters by expanding the "front door". I don't see why Ron Paul or Gary Johnson doesn't take this position, along with a strong guest worker program for those who just want the economic opportunity without all the gubment cheese.
This^
Sorry, but the very few proper functions of govt include protecting the nation's borders. We have been overwhelmed for the past decade and longer by Hispanics from the south.
To claim that "they are fewer these days" is about as brainless a statement as I've heard yet - sort of like having your town destroyed by a flood and hearing the local town idiot claim that at least the water's no long rising, so be happy. I don't really think that you can claim to even have a nation if it cannot control its territory. Too bad the author of this piece hasn't lost his job to an underpaid illegal hired by a greedy businessman.
Its interesting. I would like to know more
There is huge difference between the demonstrators exhibiting their adversity to American society and capitalism and the growing roots of the TEA PARTY. How the leftists newspapers and extremist activists can acquaint the multitudes of ordinary Americans of Senior Citizens and black, white, Hispanic, Latino, Asian people; the blue and white collar American workers is beyond me. The people who are crowding the pillars of Wall Street, think that the wealthy businessman owe them something? These people strumming their stuff are nothing like the TEA PARTY. Members of the Tea Party carry signs with them and congregate for their demonstrations, but don't leave after departure a disgusting mess and cause the police to react with tear gas and angry retribution. The Tea Party is not George Soros anarchist, communists and people who hate America; they are Americans who want non-violent change.
The Tea Party agenda is to reduce the size of government, to earlier days, to reinvent the Tax Code, so nobody escapes paying their fair share; whether corporate giants as General Electric, Google, with exceptions, no options. Each new tax plan highlighted by the potential presidential candidates should be scrutinized such as Herman Cain's 9-9-9. The legislators should dismantling farm subsidies, sugar and ethanol, oil, energy and thousands financial entities carefully crafted loopholes? Renegotiate fair trade agreements with foreign countries, which are deviously engineering, so we get a fair deal from countries as china. Incidentally why in the world would be giving Communist China free money, when we are paying off part of our 15 Trillion debt to their government? It really is a shame that Donald trump is not running for president, as he stated that he would place at least a import tariff of at least 25 percent on every countries products, that are playing us for stooges; like China.
Out of this internal mess caused by corruption and downright incompetence, all US government agencies that do not conform to the US Constitution, should be returned to the authorities at the state level. Throughout these last decades we have remained indifferent to the expansion of Washington, but the consequences have become unsatisfactory and a fiscal catastrophe. Our schools and education are a dismal failure, as they have been mismanaged by layers of bureaucrats, at the Department of Education.
The creation of small and large business cannot get off the ground, as America has developed into a country of out of control rules and regulations. Industrial nation as china can file documentation for a new bridge in a day and approved for the engineers to begin construction the same week. While in America to get any approval can take months, that's if you're lucky. An example was my Uncles family where they applied for a permit to lay gas lines, for a new construction project in Lancaster, California. The permits were not approved for 9 months by the city of Lancaster; they spent all this time in bureaucratic limbo, waiting to further advance the housing project. The whole construction project ended up in the hands of the bank, which was overshadowed by the real estate bubble bursting.
One of our greatest problems that have not been resolved yet is illegal immigration. The financial aspect is main concern that must be severed for good, that most prudent people know is costing over 100 billion dollars a year. This is not a static figure as the more people who illegal trespass here, the more money drained from each tier of government. These outlandish sums of money should be going to our old folks, homeless and sick. This welfare assistance should not be appropriated by government agencies for children of illegal families, under the misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.
Illegal immigration is no longer an issue that can be ignored, as it has literary shown up as an main contention. It's a fallacy driven by Democratic and Liberal doctrines that these people are here just to work? Go to any Sanctuary City, such as Los Angeles, California or Nevada and determine your own views of the financial situation in those States, or any other state that has assumed these illegal policies. As I repeated many times?it's all about copious greed and potential votes in future elections. Neither party is without blame for the ramification of this daily immigration problem. Whether it's another drunken alien, killing a United States citizen or a person of permanent residency the occurrences are rising. Only the rural press or E-media tends to even bother printing about these terrible incidents, which is carefully concealed by the Liberal progressives. Criminal aliens have spread across the country, with their gangs and the poison they have spawned through each state. In good stead, President Obama showed great promise, with extending ICE'S authority with a commitment to end the mayhem, but that has slowed under his current directive of Obama and the reticent leftists in the Department of IN-Justice allow these less criminal blemished persons to remain on the streets. To the TEA PARTY all people who unlawfully jump the fence or arrive by airline are criminals. Everybody should be tracked and then deported or leave by their own act. The Tea Party recognizes no path to citizenship, amnesty or immigration reform or the small covert arrangements each year, importing undeserved visa holders that big companies have exploited as cheap inferior labor.
Perhaps our last chance to close the door on the unwanted poor of other countries is Lamar Smith's 'LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT. Bill H.R. 2885 has the empowerment to stop illegal aliens claiming the work of the 24 million American jobless. Legally known as E-Verify it is a strong tool, to disrupt foreigners from seeking work, since they cannot pass the verification barrier that I-9 audits have emplaced. New versions of E-Verify can detect fraudulent documentation, specifically with the assistance of the approval from State Departments of Motor Vehicles nationwide.
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Before the new session of Congress we need the assistance of patriotic Americans to harass, their Federal and State legislative Ways and Means Committee lead by Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) to get his fellow House Representatives their reluctant backsides and sponsor Bill H.R. 2885.
Remember Congress is filled with distended corruption, whose measure of responsibility only is influenced by the wealthy donors and their special interest lobbyists. Unless full sponsorship of Bill 2885 gets to the house floor, there is little chance of success. You can learn more about the 'Legal Workforce Act' at the NumbersUSA website.
America should invest in its people and stop discovering new ways to subsidize foreign wars, foreign governments and make our own sovereign nation less resilient as it once was. We have judges who don't comply with the letter of the law and interpret their Liberal ideology from the bench. We have been invaded over at least four administrations by extraordinary amounts of poverty, that our country is expected to absorb, that taxpayers are expected to be the benefactor. E-Verify will totally slow the magnitudes who come here, with their palms open. These are ECONOMIC PEOPLE well aware of America's entitlement programs. They are not the 19th century poor, that were viewed the Statue of Liberty for the first time and expected nothing upon arrival on Ellis Island.
These new illegal aliens know before arriving here how to work the system. Family and friends are well acquainted how to get their fingers in the taxpayers pies. Supervisor Mike Antonovich stated: "The argument that illegal's foreigners contribute more than they receive in government services is nonsense Illegal immigration has had a catastrophic economic impact on Los Angeles County Our bankrupt health care delivery system has become an HMO for the world and criminal illegal aliens are overwhelming our criminal justice system." Nearly 100,000 children of 60,000 undocumented parents receive aid every year. Antonovich released new statistics for 2011 showing social spending for those families in his county rose to $53 million in November, putting the county government on track to spend more than $600 million on related costs for the year -- up from $570 million in 2009. Combined with public safety costs and health care costs, the City Supervisor claimed the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion in 2010. How can taxpayers be so deluded by Democratic Governors, Mayors and officials who are parting these dollars, they should be going to our senior citizens. Many programs have been cut back in Los Angeles, but taxpayers are subsidizing foreign aliens; old people are principally hard hit. "Not including the hundreds of millions of dollars for education," Undoubtedly this is a astronomical problem from the East to West coast, hat Congress prefers to leave alone, except for a few Stewart lawmakers. The TEA PARTY has a strong commitment to transform this country from a debtor nation, to once again a creditor nation that must start with the illegal alien occupation.
Remember Illegal aliens have voted in previous elections and overlooked. The Tea Party will be manning the election precincts and investigating forged registrations and irregular absentee ballots in 2012.
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Besides attacking Perry on Entitlements, the other reason Romney will make me hold my nose if I vote for him is that he decided his best chance to win the nomination was to be the tough on immigration candidate (or at least tougher than Perry). This kind of stuff makes some republican voters treat me like a Mexican so maybe I should just go and become one. If you tan well this kind of stuff can also make your life a collection shitty moments mixed in with what ever fills up your days.
The ethanol situation was about to get a bipartisan solution as well - so at least he has another subsidy angle going for him for the cross over Obama voter to counter my possible no vote for him. Time for some Spanish lessons. Odelay and have fun trying to collect all the money needed for those entitlements.
It's hard to believe. Blogging for illegal aliens. Who pays you? What a bunch of dead dick liars. Circle jerk. Go vote for Change again. You seem to love obvious lies...
It's hard to believe. Blogging for illegal aliens. Who pays you? What a bunch of dead dick liars. Circle jerk. Go vote for Change again. You seem to love obvious lies..
I get a little tired of the "If there is ANYTHING that you want government to do, and you want government to shrink overall, you are a hypocrit" argument. The government is so involved in so many projects that it does badly that it neglects some of its core responsibilities. Calling the government on that isn't " inconsistant" .
Also, it seems to me that the very first step in ant equitable plant to deal with mass hispanic immigration would HAVE to be, enforcing the prwsent laws, if only to give those who benefit from the grey area of "they can get here, but they can't claim most legal protections" a reason to change the law to somethingnthat would allow the illegals to become legal. Holding the illegals in limbo is despicable.
Holding the illegals in limbo is despicable.
Indeed. The only thing that is more despicable is deporting them because they don't have a visa.
I don't see that. If you fail to deport them, you aid the characters who are exploiting their illegal status, and thereby them. An amnesty is a non-starter with the current temper of the electorate. The downside of enforcing the Law will have to be demonstrated before the Law can be changed.
Same pattern has held true in many "Local Option" Dry areas; the Dry laws exist less to be enforced than to create a lucrative black market. If you want the Dry laws repealed, fast, start enforcing them.
I can't tell whether you think kidnapping, detention, deportation, and the relegating to poverty of free and peaceful people -- while also violating the rights of US residents who cannot serve or employ them -- is a "downside", but the mass of the American electorate doesn't think it's a downside.
What downside do you think will finally open the borders?
By the same token, how much longer do we have to live with a drug war before people see the downside of that?
It is said, and I about two-thirds believe it, that the illegals do jobs that legal residents won't. OK, if the illegals get deported, then those jobs will not get done and if we hold the line on "if the law is inconvenient, then change the law, don't simply fail to enforce it", then the law will change. Until there is a reason for the law to change, it won't. Moreover a government that feels entitled to pick and choose which laws to enforce is a menace.
Of course, if that sentiment were to catch on, a lot of laws might change or vanish. I'll admit that I won't hold my breath. But simply declining to enforce existing law to allow the illegals to stay keeps them captive in the grey area, which isn't good for them, and isn't good for us.
The other possibility is that the illegals DON'T do jobs that nobody else will touch. I'd have to see it to accept it, but if that were the case then the presence of the illegals would be doing injury to people who played by the rule, and can't get work.
Of course, all of this mess exists because Mexico (and other points south, but I gather it is primarily Mexico) is a failed State. If we were the Victorian British the answer would be to annex the territory of Mexico and govern it rather better. But that isn't us. We haven't the temperament to be good Colonialists, and I'm far from persuaded that it would be a good thing if we did.
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Indeed. The only thing that is more despicable is deporting them because they don't have a visa.
When it comes to immigration, libertarians LOVE bringing in more people with an average IQ of 90 (as opposed to 100 for Americans of European descent) that will inevitably vote for socialism.
The fact that the group of people allowed into the US has a higher crime rate than the current inhabitants doesn't seem to bother libertarians. Apparently, the rights of some Americans (already forced to pay taxes to the State for inadequate protection) not to be mugged or killed have a lower precedence than the rights of those who are not US citizens.
Admit it, libertarians: you just want to keep bringing Mexicans to keep the wages of poor people down, so you can hire them as your servants!
Conservatism is the only ideology that actually supports poor and middle-class Whites!
The open-border libertarian HYPOCRITES should read up on their precious property rights. A property owner must have the right to EVICT people TRESPASSING on his property. The American people, the (theoretical) owners of the US, have the right to evict illegal immigrant Mexicans from their property.
The American people, the (theoretical) owners of the US, have the right to evict illegal immigrant Mexicans from their property.
I have read up on precious property rights. And they clearly come down on the side of free migration. One should be able to invite anyone he wants onto his property, house him on his property, transport him with his property, and employ him on his property. For the state to deny him that right means the state is denying him his property rights.
If you really think the American people own the US, then you are inevitably led to the conclusion that there is no such thing as private property.
MikeP,
There is no 100% private property in any country in the world (with the exception of places like Somalia). You can't dump nuclear waste in your own yard, you can't allow a convicted pedophile to teach at your pre-school.
Even if you are able to have millions of immigrants living in your own yard, the rest of America gets a say in that because it still affects us all. Pollution, school enrollment, crime, etc, etc, affect the country beyond the boundaries of your private property. This is not rocket science.
... the simplest solution to the illegal immigration issue, that i can think of, is an express lane, RIGHT AT THE BORDER.
"you wanna come to america and join our economy and sociopolitcal system, AWESOME.
sign here, here, and here.
and heres your copy of rosetta stone for english, and your social security card. Have Fun and Welcome To America. "
from everything i keep hearing from the pro- immigrant people the problem is the ICE and whatever alphabet soup is too slow and scary for people, so remove the excuse, speed the process up.
if the far rights voiced complaint is that these people arent taxed or whatever, well now they have a SS# just like everyone else. they can be taxed legally. problem solved
for those who complain about the english as a second language issue.... we'll teach them. simple.
now for those whose personal issues are more sinister, those people will have to admit their own demons.
for those who want to come here illegally to do illegal things, then we crack down harder on them when they commit their special crimes. theres no need for roving INS squads or fancy orwellian ID's or prison gates.
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It's also worth nothing that government growth and spending on border security took off during the early-to-mid 2000's, notably when Republicans had control of the White House and both houses of Congress.
For example:
1. Federal funding for border security doubled from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion in 2006.
2. From 2000-2009, the number of federal border patrol agents increased from 9,000 to 20,000, an increase of 11,000 government employees.
3. The Secure Fences Act authorized spending $1.2 billion to build 700 miles of physical barriers along the roughly 2,000 mile Mexico-United States border (the remaining two-thirds of the border was to be separated by a "virtual fence")
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